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>>21568153
Stop making threads while the old one is still up, dumb /v/ermin.

>>21568158
what about it?

and here i was wondering why nobody was talking in the last thread you guys are so darn impatient

>>21568158
Based
>>21568181
Cringe

「あなたって童貞？」

「……は？」

「この場合の『ドウテイ』は、英語でいうところのチェリーボーイね。ある場所へ至るまでの道筋、という意味ではなく」

「……ああ。『道程』ね」

「それで？　あなたは童貞なのかしら？」

>>21568220
which visual novel is this from ? it doesn't seem so difficult

What's the difference between 移る and 移す? Is one transitive and the other intransitive?

>>21568231
Yes.

>>21568225
It's "お兄ちゃんだけど愛さえあれば関係ない", vol. 1, a LN, not a VN.
I was trying to poke fun at the 童貞様たち here on /djt/.

Yo, can you boys help me guess the meaning of the word カン from this context:
"カンかよ。

　しかしそれにしても腹が立つ。

　なぜって、そのカンがきっちり当たってるからだ。"
Is it 缶, 感 or something else?

Kanjidamage is way better than rtk

>>21568628
KanjiTree is the real Chad way

>>21568638
The based nigga way is using Wiktionary to learn kanji and the connections between Chinese, Japanese, and Korean.

>>21568651
you have to learn latin and ancient greek before learning chinese and then you can start learning hiraganas

Can someone explain to me the 私はゲイ meme?

https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/library/satuei/eiga.html

any of these boomer kinos worth watching ?

>>21568666
>learning Latin and Greek instead of Classical Tamil and Hadzabe

I stumbled across a pretty good book on how to learn hiragana, but it doesn’t cover any katakana. Any recommendations?

>>21568815
>not realizing that you need to understand your language ancestors to understand how languages actually work and thus learning more complexed and different ones

>>21568789
I would like a setsumei too

so you “just look up and move on” anti-anki people WERE just lying to yourselves all along??

the old thread is dead long live the thread

>>21568789
>>21568872
its pretty simple 1 day i woke up and realized わたしはゲイ and never stopped posting it and 69 years later here we are

>>21568949
>having to look up any of those words
pretty sure this guy is just retarded my man

>>21568352
there is one who posts occasionally
there are many in the int threads though

>>21568949
the only one of these that an educated native can justify not knowing is zeitgeist

>>21568514
勘
intuition

きみ ［0］ 【君】
き み ［0］ 【黄身】

word of the day 不随意独身

idk why but words like celestial and empyrean arouse me

>>21569156
Baby I want to be the one arousing you

words dont arouse me unless theres a bunch of hearts drawn after them

>>21569156
are u a christian by any chance

>>21569054
インセル sounds better

why have a language of 210k words if less than 3k of them get used regularly

乾く
渇く
Nice

>>21568949
pls do not use millenial redditors as the mean for japanese learners

this is the kind of words that arouse me

(also inb4 jokes about the low quality)

>>21567466
this language is so fuckin ez
>>21568949
that guy should read more

>>21568949
I read the word 'craven' in the Game of Thrones novel I'm reading to practice Japanese and now I know what it means. I didn't even have to look it up. It was obvious from context.

Listening to touhou fans music all day is a great way to listening great music while hearing japanese all day !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-8N7iOYcXw

>>21569335
idk, am I the only one who feels like listening practice (or any practice really) is 100% wasted unless you're actually focusing on it?
I know some people say you still pick shit up, but I am confident that doesn't work on me. I listened to tons of Japanese music (and anime) before ever attempting listening practice, and when I finally decided to actually try to listen it was like spaghetti.
I couldn't parse words for shit, nor could I even hear particles. It was like I'd never heard Japanese in my life until I finally decided to focus on it.

>>21569395
idk but it's cool to listen to japanese all day desu. To give you a real answer, it's actually cool and kind of motivating when you realize that you were able to understand words or part of the lyrics without really focusing and sometimes I listen closely while reading the lyrics when they're displayed on the screen with actual japanese writing and not garbish romaji

>>21569395
input is useless if u dont comprehend anything
its also useless if u could but u never pay attention to it
but even if neither of those are a problem u should listen to bangers cuz u like bangers and not cuz u think its a way to optimize ur nihongo immersion pod

>>21569446
the conclusion say it all, I like touhou fan music, it's in japanese, so I listen to japanese all day. If touhou was from fuckin poland and I liked the music I would listen to polish all day I guess

maybe i should find out what touhou is at some point idk

>>21569487
kys crossboarder

>>21569487
why are you learning japanese if it's not to understand the deeply philosophical and well-written dialogues of the masterpiece that is touhou ?

can I masturbate to touhou?

>>21569505
im just in it for the eroge dude never heard of touhou until the last few months

>>21569513
you can and you should when you will be into touhou you will never masturbate to other girls as they will seem uninteresting (also you will only be able to get hard for girls that are wearing hats after being highly exposed to touhou)

there are too many words there is no way you can fit them all into anki

thats why you just do one deck or mine the most unusual words

>>21569513
u should primarily masturbate to touhou
>>21569516
i dont believe u

>>21569525
Which tohou has the best doujinshi?

>>21569552
they all have good one but I guess the most popular girls have the more doujin and thus the more chances to have a lot of good quality content, just check out the one you can see a lot on /jp/ (Yuyuko and Yomu are the best girls tho)

>>21569310
I have those books but I want to read through The Martian and The Expanse series first. Wish there were Japanese audio books for them though.

>>21568949
i think japanese is easier about this though
once you get familiar with kanji a lot of new words can be guessed by context quite easily

my listening is getting so much better
my plan is working YES

>>21569678
https://youtu.be/zu8-WdEhz0g

>>21569678
b-but what is your keikaku anon ?

daiweeb's shortcut for quickly toggling japanese subtitles is making this so EZ. plus i love how it lets you rewind just 5 seconds at a time vs like 10 or 20
i really want to donate to that guy but it seems like he doesn't want anyone to donate to him

Daiweeb owner here. Bitcoin is hitting 11k soon pls donate.

Isn't daiweeb a less good version of animelon ?

in the era where empires are less common and national democracy is more common, will languages generally diverge more. or will languages diverge less because of stuff like the internet which makes learning the more popular language in your nation or the world easier.

>>21569691
1. watch raw anime, all subs off
2. if i miss something, rewind and listen to the part again with my eyes closed to focus on the audio only
3. if i catch everything that second listen, move on.
4. if still don't catch everything, press S to show subs, and use yomichan to check any word that's new (mostly paying attention to the word's reading, but also glancing at the japanese definition to understand the new word in context), then listen to that part one more time
4. continue episode this way

i've done this for just 5 episodes of anime now and am already seeing dramatic improvement. i now see that japanese subs, although they are very helpful to a certain point and the way i'm using them now, having them on all the time long-term really does keep you from developing pure listening skill.

>>21569723
animelon is less good imo. very clunky and glitchy, ugly interface. daiweeb looks polished and feels like i'm watching a premium anime streaming site. and i can still use yomichan on it/copy sentences from it/whatever. it's great.

>>21569731
every language will just become broken english or broken mandarin

>>21569686
if ur gonna link that re listening getting better u have to link the right vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBJtQjykq_4

>>21568949
there's an obvious intelligence ceiling where reading more won't help much, but for the vast majority of words for reasonably intelligent people, increasing your vocabulary through reading alone is fine. however i've been learning for 2 days so i might be wrong about this.

dont worry no one on DJT has learned for more than a week

>>21569778
yall are so corny with these dekinai jokes

in my 3-ish years i can safely say no one has learned anything

did someone upload the anki retirement addon yet

ill retire ur anki

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhlgwnDiGjw#t=403

>>21569740
this seem difficult and long but so does starting to read so I hope you will perseverate and keep on being successful. Good luck anon !

yeah true i just deleted my anki deck saying im done but im lookin for a way back into the anki grind like ooh maybe if i use this addon i wont end up being miserable wasting hours of time looking at words i already know out of context im an addict i wont add words to anki peace

>>21569803
just delete cards that are too easy the next time you review them again

gonna find u in a gutter 1 day with cards sticking out of ur arms

>>21569845
or go by the length of the next interval. if you get the card right, and the next interval says 1 month or more, just delete it then (i personally prefer to suspend, 念のために)

already i like the idea of just reading and understanding sentences as they come up. like you see a sentence with a word or two you dont know in it then you learn the words and reread the sentence and you just look at it like damn a second ago i didnt know these words or couldnt read this sentence but now i can. why waste the time and add it to anki and spend hours in the future cumulatively reading the same shit when you can just go to the next sentence in your book or game and read something new like advance your life you know what i mean anki doesnt advance you it keeps you where you were before and steals your time that could be spent lvling up in the real world. like who cares if you can read something in anki no one really cares what really matters is interpreting and understanding new information as it comes at you

>>21569803
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1565222544

>>21569902
i think people shouldn't mine either but still when you're starting it can be a good thing to do 15 minutes of anki and spend the rest of the day reading

>>21569902
>why waste the time and add it to anki and spend hours in the future cumulatively reading the same shit
because 9 times out of 10 you will forget whatever you just encountered if you don't review, and rereading the sentence once, その場で, is not going to change that. that fuckin simple bro

if you enjoy forgetting, do what you do. some people want to remember the things they encounter. since that's kind of a required part of language acquisition

and stop acting braindead like people can only do one or the other. the person who just gets 10 new words every day and knows they will stick because he's reviewing them, is always going to be better off than the guy who's too lazy to review. the only exception i can think of is if the person already has a vocab of over 20,000 or so. and you know you are not that person.

>>21569930
>rereading the sentence once, その場で, is not going to change that
uh it actually does
have you considered actually doing this
because it works

also adding 10 new cards a day and suspending cards when they exceed a month interval or so is never going take more than 5 to 10 minutes a day. for a guaranteed 70 new words a week, nearly 300 a month.

you plebs spend 10 times that amount shitting around this thread. pick your battles wisely.

>>21569937
>uh it actually does
your retention of those words is not exceeding 10%, outside of those occassions you're lucky enough to see the same word again the same day or a few days later

most of them you won't, and thus most of them will be lost before the next encounter.

ur aniki can be beneficial to ur career
but arguing that u cant build ur vocabulary without it is whats real braindead lol

喧嘩はやめて

>mfw when people are still fighting over what's the best thing to do when they could do both
>anki shouldnt take you more than 15 min/day anyway
>reading is fun
>do both and be a based learner

>>21569977
Wow I want to masturbate to her

>>21569959
have u considered actually reading significant amounts of japanese because if u do then this isn't actually a problem because you're gonna see pretty much everything in the top 15k at least once a week
your argument is basically a really long way of saying "i don't know enough japanese to consume large amounts of it or i don't actually care enough about japanese to do so but please take my advice" so i dunno why you're speaking so factually about something you don't actually experience
even if you follow ur own logic 10% is actually really good retention when you see everything in the top 15k once a week because that means ull naturally learn like 10k words in only like ten weeks
anki is for beginners who cant read that much without giving themselves brain damage and for intermediate/advanced learners who need to flesh out the 50k words that never appear outside of every day life irl in japan or academic materials they dont have

>>21569985
yeah get in line buddy

>>21569985
we all want to but she would just laugh at us or beat us to death if she was real. Also she's already my wife so stop having nauhty thoughts about her

>>21569999
I'm going to masturbate you because of those quads

>>21569708
Is there any way you could add an option to rewind to the start of the last (or current) subtitle?
I recently discovered this was possible in MPV and I'm addicted to using that feature now (the reason is because the subs are already aligned to speech, so what you really gain is the ability to rewind to the beginning of things people say, which is awesome for listening practice).
It would be great if that could be done on daiweeb too, since the interface makes other things easier.

二牟礼知巳

how do you romanize that name

>>21570066
Not really him, but it's already implemented

>>21570085
Oh sweet. I might start using this then.
It doesn't look like there's a way to jump to the start of the current sub though.
I just tested it and if it's currently in the middle of a sub and you hit the back arrow it goes to the previous sub before it instead of restarting the current one.
Not a deal breaker if it's not there, but it would be nice to have.

>>21569960
>arguing that u cant build ur vocabulary without it
did i say that? no.
i said it's going to take several times longer.

>>21570077
pls help

>>21570141
there's like 20 fucking options

>>21570133
>if you enjoy forgetting, do what you do. some people want to remember the things they encounter. since that's kind of a required part of language acquisition

>>21570143
why the fuck
it's a composer, that's all i know

>>21570148
Remember words is what's crucial; Anki merely facilitates that.

>>21569987
>have u considered actually reading significant amounts of japanese
nigga i read 2 to 3 hours a day and have been for several months now. words i've reviewed in anki reliably stick more quickly than words i didn't, unless they were words easily memorable from their kanji/context which i don't add anyway.

> you're gonna see pretty much everything in the top 15k at least once a week
this is bullshit you pulled out of your ass lol especially for someone who regularly reads different genres like i do. also i don't only want to remember the top 15k, i want 20, 25, 30k frequency words too. not tryna be an eternal dekinai like you

your post is full of bullshitting, exaggerating and lies. i bet your vocab isn't even over 5k. just say you're too lazy to study anything and move on with your half-assed japanese learning.

the top 3k or so words are what repeat at least once a week. the top 15k? hell no. that's how you can tell this guy's vocab is low.

>>21570188
fucking based

>>21570188
post ur jcat
also list the last 5 vns and novels uve read
oh wait youre actually a beginner

>>21570077
futamure tomomi

>>21570188
>your half-assed japanese learning
Oh no he didn't!

is this yalls first day on 4chan there aint any burns flyin just normal bantz

What's 4chan? I thought this is 4channel

>>21570219
same as usual

>>21570223
its short for 4channel so u dont have to type as man letters

あげる

この番組はご覧のスポンサーの提供でお送りします

i remember when i used to thnik they always said christmas

kono banger ha grand sponsers something de see you off

>>21570234
わ〜い！ありがとう！大切にするわよ〜！

>>21570188
300 minutes a day (lol you thought three hours was gonna cut it?) at 400 characters per minute for 7 days a week gives you 840000 characters of reading a week.
That's something like four full novels, more than enough that you should expect to see words in the top 15k around once a week.
In fact if you go dig up a frequency list like the BCCWJ and look at the 15000th most common word shows up about 3 times in every million words.

If you assume that words are on average around two characters long (this happens to be true) you should be able to finish the math yourself and figure out how many times per week on average you're going to run into the 15000th most common word. The answer MIGHT just surprise you. And make sure to show your work!

>>21570261
Does 文章 apply only to written sentences or can one also use it to refer to spoken sentences?

Didn’t mean to link. Sorry.

read more

>>21569835
Yep. I had my no more anki revelation thanks to some based anons yesterday but I'm debating whether I really wanna sacrifice my steak today.

I just know that when I see words in anki, disembodied from the living language i remember it less easily than in context

>>21570279
>300 minutes a day (lol you thought three hours was gonna cut it?)
5 hours? i have a fucking life lol. not everyone is a neet antisocial loser like you.

>If you assume that words are on average around two characters long (this happens to be true)
no it's not. more like 4 if you include all kinds of words and not just ２文字熟語。particles and shit that are attached to words don't count as words by themselves either since they're so extremely common.

also you're forgetting to account for the time it takes to look up each of those words and consider their meaning long enough for it to not fly out of your memory completely within 2 seconds of closing the popup dictionary. and time for flipping pages/changing screens, looking at art etc etc. you're not straight up processing new text nonstop the entire time, even with that neet-level "reading time".

and finally, this should be obvious but, looking up a word one time in a week for a few seconds, among a sea of thousands and thousands of other words is NOT going to guarantee you will remember it. not even close. perhaps you will remember that you SAW it. that's it. you likely won't remember the meaning and unless the reading is very intuitive based common patterns from kanji you already know, then you definitely won't remember the reading either.

so this post was more exaggerated bullshit. if theres one thing yall are good at, it's bullshitting and being neets.

>>21570279
>>21570384

weebs trying to convince people to quit their jobs and abandon their social lives so they can read japanese visual novels 5 hours a day everyday.
instead of just keeping their life in tact, reading 2 hours a day, and simply adding 10 minutes of anki to their daily routine. how absurd.

>implying 2 hours of reading + 10 minutes of anki = 5 hours of reading

if ur old enough to be havin a job and havent gotten going on ur nihongo career already u actually just arent gonna make it like for real

I started last year when I was 28 and I'm doing ok.

the fuck is a nihongo career

>>21570384
>5 hours? i have a fucking life lol. not everyone is a neet antisocial loser like you.
No, that's about right if you stop binging youtube, English TV, and bad English video games. Just convert enough of that stuff to Japanese and you can easily hit the 5 hour mark. It's that simple. Do things you'd do in English in Japanese instead. You can have your 3 hours of doing chores, English stuff, talking to friends, drinking, partying etc. if you want, but you're not going to get good at Japanese any time soon if you can't dedicate enough time to it.

Let me say that again. You're not going to get good at Japanese any time soon if you can't dedicate enough time to it.

Vocab isn't everything. You have millions of collocations, random grammar subtleties, word choice preferences, cultural references, mannerisms, etc. to learn and there's no way that you're going to get them in a reasonable amount of time with only a couple hours of reading and 10 minutes of Anki. Read more.

>>If you assume that words are on average around two characters long (this happens to be true)
>no it's not.
Actually it is.

>more like 4 if you include all kinds of words and not just ２文字熟語
Those are compound words. You don't need to look up or learn 操作方法 if you know 操作 and 方法. The tools that things like BCCWJ's analysis break words down into exclude trivial compound words, which both prevents frequency lists from being padded with duplicates (this means that the 15000th word is "more rare" than if they analyzed compounds) and also means that the average word length they're working with is consistent with the idea that you don't need to learn 操作方法 if you already know both halves.

>also you're forgetting to account for the time it takes to look up each of those words
That's why the reading speed I gave was 400 characters instead of 500 characters per minute. Funny how that works.

>and consider their meaning long enough for it to not fly out of your memory completely within 2 seconds of closing the popup dictionary
Sounds like you're a beginner. Lame.

>and finally, this should be obvious but, looking up a word one time in a week for a few seconds, among a sea of thousands and thousands of other words is NOT going to guarantee you will remember it.
It is both my experience and the experience of most of the people who I talk about Japanese media with that this is actually the case. It's very easy to learn words from reading if you don't try to rush it. The rate at which you learn a given word might seem slow but the throughput of new words as an intermediate is so high that the amount you learn is insane. If you're not learning words from reading then you don't read enough or you're a beginner.

>you likely won't remember the meaning and unless the reading is very intuitive based common patterns from kanji you already know
If you're good enough at Japanese to read at 400CPM and it's hard for you to remember what words mean based on their kanji and probably reading then there's something wrong with you.

>so this post was more exaggerated bullshit.
Your entire argument is just "I'm bad at learning from reading for unspecified reasons that are definitely not the fact that I'm a beginner trying to talk shit about how the big boys learn". If anything here is being exaggerated, it's your authority on this subject.

>>21570430
Thanks Jamal.

>>21570419
as far as number of new words you'll actually REMEMBER the meaning and reading of the next time you see them, it's likely. particularly if you're smart about what you add and don't add things that are 当たり前 in relation to things you already know.

the only words that should be left to reading only are the ones that contain only kanji you know already, and who's meanings and readings make sense based on the kanji.

>>21570430
>if ur old enough to be havin a job and havent gotten going on ur nihongo career already
yall are so good at saying completely retarded shit on here lmao. i'm so done

>>21570438
lmao this nigga learnin nihongo for free, you stupid fucking nihongo intern

>>21570444
Readings get easier to remember without Anki the more Japanese you'd know. If you see 火咲 in some weird literary prose there's only a couple ways it could be read. You would understand this intuitively if you weren't a beginner.

>>21570441
i was about to declare u the loser for writing all this shit but ur opponent >>21570444 is tryin real hard to outdo ur stupidity
its a tossup it could be anyones game

>>21570473
Oh don't worry about that, writing massive walls of "here's EVERYWHERE you went wrong, bucko" on DJT is pretty much my day job, no loss in that.

>>21570441
>400CPM
That's fucking insane. My current top reading speed is barely 160 文字/min. It's probably gonna take years for me to get all the way up there. Hell, by that time, I'm probably not even gonna need anki anymore (if it ever comes).

>>21570478
Educated Japanese people who read a lot read at around 500CPM. You're going to hit somewhere around 200 to 300 after a year or two of regular reading. Just don't give up and you'll get there.

>>21570484
I'm sure I could probably do it some day, since I remember I was quite slow at reading in English back when I was 9 years old, but became ridiculously fast at reading when I was around 12 years old. As a matter of fact, I was probably better at quickly devouring books back then than I am right now, even though I often ended up not retaining much of what I read back then.

>>21570441
>No, that's about right if you stop binging youtube, English TV, and bad English video games.
or having friends or going outside or having other hobbies or interestsoutside of japanese. am i missing something?

>Let me say that again. You're not going to get good at Japanese any time soon if you can't dedicate enough time to it.
i'm.. already good at japanese though? at least good enough to comfortably live my life in it, have stimulating conversations with it, maintain relationships with it, navigate the real world with it. and i didn't spend 5 hours a day nonstop visual novels to get here. nor will i start any time soon. almost all new vocab i learn now goes towards my enjoyment of media. that's it. and unlike some of you, as much as i enjoy it, that does not comprise my whole life.

>Those are compound words.
katakana words that can be up to 10 characters long, grammar like, すなわち、例えば、もしかして. and again, words PLUS the particle that goes with them, since counting の and では as individual words is ridiculous.

>That's why the reading speed I gave was 400 characters instead of 500 characters per minute.
people with a vocabulary lower than 20k are not reading 400 characters a minute stop fucking lying. that's native adult speed, and if you're already at native adult reading level then this conversation doesn't have shit to do with you, why are you even youing me. what an antisocial autist.

Okay guys let's say I needed some money.
How do I make some without actually doing any real work? Translating work an option? Maybe somebody is searching for eroge translators or I can do manga or anime or whatever. Actually I don't care what to translate I can do it from home. Into German as well.
Anyway I need to make some money what are my options pls help

>>21570478
>That's fucking insane. My current top reading speed is barely 160 文字/min.
which is normal for most learners below 20k vocabulary. i don't know why this asshole even entered the conversation when it was clearly about efficiently acquiring vocabulary for people at around intermediate, not people who can already read at native level.

>>21570513
>or having friends or going outside or having other hobbies or interestsoutside of japanese. am i missing something?
The year is 2019. Anon is pretending to have an outside IRL social life with near-daily obligations, while arguing on a forum dedicated to the kinds of things that hikikomori get obsessed with.

>i'm.. already good at japanese though?
Post your jcat.

>at least good enough to comfortably live my life in it,
Congrats, you get more than five hours of reading worth of Japanese exposure per day.

>and i didn't spend 5 hours a day nonstop visual novels to get here.
No, but you could have.

>katakana words that can be up to 10 characters long
Are you still trying to argue against the fact that Japanese words average two characters long? That's amazing. Do I have to dump an actual analysis on you? Because I totally can. Do you want to get wrecked that hard?

>words PLUS the particle that goes with them, since counting の and では as individual words is ridiculous.
There are analysis that exclude particles and they too average out to about two characters per word. You can verify this yourself by taking BCCWJ and running the numbers before and after excluding particles.

>people with a vocabulary lower than 20k are not reading 400 characters a minute stop fucking lying.
Tell that to me two years ago.

>that's native adult speed
The average native adult is functionally illiterate.

>>21570539
Intermediates who read a lot read at around 300 characters per minute, give or take (already taking lookups into account), you can adjust the numbers slightly to account for this if you so desire. If anon reads at 160 characters per minute then he is still a beginner.

>>21570538
If you're actually good at Japanese you can probably do translation work easily if you lowball yourself (1 US cent per character is the lowest you should go) and try to get your name out there.

>>21570556
Sounds good what are my first steps
I need to make at least like a thousand bucks within the next three months

>>21570577
Go to /a/, MAL, r/manga, or some other forum and ask people if there's any works that they'd like to commission a translation for.

>>21569987
>you're gonna see pretty much everything in the top 15k
Whoa, so after doing vncore I can just lookup the top 14k remaining words and learn them all within a week. So this is the power of reading.

boasting about being good at japanese because you have a good jcat score is like someone pretending they're good at english because they can pass the toefl, the very fact that you're taking it means you're a shitter

>>21570606
Nobody boasted about their jcat score. It's just a very simple way of filtering out people who would definitely fail hard on it, whereas someone with a score close to the top is at least worth your time talking to to find out if they actually know anything or not. Do you not understand the utility in filtering out the zakko? Or are you trying to deflect?

>>21570556
>Anon is pretending to have an outside IRL social life with near-daily obligations, while arguing on a forum dedicated to the kinds of things that hikikomori get obsessed with.
people can be multidimensional and spend their time on various things. sorry your personality only has one quality to it, "antisocial neet".

i'm bored with this conversation. i haven't taken the jcat and i'm not going to go out of my way to take it now to prove shit to a neet who's lifestyle is completely different from mine. of course if you're at home all day and have 5 hours nonstop to spend reading, then what you're saying would make sense.
but you do you, but remember that Youing me was a complete waste of time since the topic had nothing to do with you/your kind in the first place.

>>21570621
your "zakko" includes the average japanese adult so whatever you plan to use japanese for, it's not applicable to 99% of the people in this thread

I thought we are all NEETs

>>21570594
>Whoa, so after doing vncore I can just lookup the top 14k remaining words and learn them all within a week. So this is the power of reading.
crazy huh? such is the power of reading and chronic neet-dom, i guess

imagine looking down on people because they have a life outside of learning japanese and are not willing to dedicate every waking hour to it
twisted

>>21570628
>people can be multidimensional and spend their time on various things
Yeah. And they can do it in Japanese, too.

>i'm bored with this conversation.
"I have run out of arguments".

>of course if you're at home all day and have 5 hours nonstop to spend reading, then what you're saying would make sense.
If you can put in three hours of reading a day then you can add in two hours of high quality input of other forms like Japanese games, Japanese forums, surfing nico video, etc. The equivalents of things you'd do on your own time in English, but in Japanese instead. In fact, NOT doing these kinds of things will hamper your Japanese in unexpected ways.

>but you do you, but remember that Youing me was a complete waste of time since the topic had nothing to do with you/your kind in the first place.
Oh, don't get the wrong idea, this was never about proving you wrong, it was just about outlining in public how silly your group's view on vocabulary acquisition is.

>i haven't taken the jcat and i'm not going to go out of my way to take it now to prove shit to a neet who's lifestyle is completely different from mine.
Very well. I'll give you an opportunity to win this argument for free. If you can translate the following text (the beginning of the prologue of Mushoku Tensei, a very popular web novel) without making any major errors, I will concede the entire argument to you on account of putting your money where your mouth is.

If you refuse, then that's equivalent to admitting defeat, because translating a dozen lines of text should be trivial for someone who can live their life in Japanese, so I will assume that you're lying, due to refusing to do something that should take no effort and would result in an instant victory.

If you translate it and make too many mistakes, though, I'll point and laugh at you so hard that you probably won't be able to sleep well tonight, and that'll be that.

>俺は34歳住所不定無職。
>人生を後悔している真っ最中の小太りブサメンのナイスガイだ。
>つい三時間ほど前までは住所不定ではない、
>ただの引きこもりベテランニートだったのだが、
>気付いたら親が死んでおり、
>引きこもっていて親族会議に出席しなかった俺はいないものとして扱われ、
>兄弟たちの奸計にハマり、見事に家を追い出された。

>床ドンと壁ドンをマスターし、
>家で傍若無人に振舞っていた俺に味方はいなかった。

>葬式当日、ブリッヂオ○ニー中にいきなり喪服姿の兄弟姉妹たちに部屋に乱入され、絶縁状を突きつけられた。
>無視すると、弟が木製バットで命よりも大切なパソコンを破壊しやがった。
>半狂乱で暴れてみたものの、兄は空手の有段者で、逆にぼっこぼこにされた。
>無様に泣きじゃくって事無きをえようとしたら、着の身着のまま家から叩き出された。

>>21570630
>your "zakko" includes the average japanese adult
The average Japanese adult would definitely not score on the low end of the jcat.

>>21570640
no some of us have jobs and maybe even worst there might be people with girlfriends on those threads, crazy right ?

Is this a joke by the way?
I've read into it a bit and it's completely normal Japanese. Absolutely nothing compared to something like Muramasa. Who the hell wrote this.

>>21570659
>The average Japanese adult would definitely not score on the low end of the jcat.
well, yes. but you've decided that even the average japanese adult is some sort of shitter to be looked down on when 99% of people in this thread thread (everyone in it except you?) does not plan to ever do anything with japanese that the average japanese person is incapable of doing, almost of all of which is reading or listening to basic bitch media for entertainment purposes.

>>21570659
>I have run out of arguments
what is there left to argue when you've already admitted you're not even the target audience for any of my arguments??

at that point it would just be blowing smoke, and so are you for continuing. but this is your entire life after all, your only other obligation is your 5 hours of VNs for the day. i'll let you tire yourself out.

>>21570676
>at that point it would just be blowing smoke
his exact arguments aside (i'm not the biggest fan of any of them in particular), and risk of increasing the level of autism notwithstanding, asking people to put up or shut up when it comes to demonstrating their skills is almost never a waste of time

>>21570673
I said that the average Japanese adult is functionally illiterate, and yet they would also certainly score well on the jcat even if they're bad at reading, because they actually know Japanese. It's funny how that works, it's almost like the jcat is a low bar to pass, just like it has been said.

After a certain point, reading speed is somewhat unrelated to someone's actual ability in the language. Someone who misunderstands a lot and can't speak in grammarical Japanese can read faster than a native who does the bare minimum of reading that they can to get by. In fact, if the former reads a lot and the latter does not, it's almost guaranteed. There is nothing strange about this at all.

>>21570676
Thanks for admitting through your refusal to translate it that you don't know enough Japanese to translate thirteen lines of very simple prose.

>>21570666
白痴さん

>>21570694
don't say that

>>21570662
yeah, kill those uragirimono

日本語はむずかしい

>>21570688
ugh, it really grinds me to prove shit to low life losers who are annoying, and i really just wanted to leave this thread for the day but i guess you're right. at least it'll be some practice. here i go.

you should be able to challenge someone to a duel in these threads where you both choose a japanese excerpt of your choice and have to translate each other's text and whoever fails (or if the text is objectively unreasonable) then that person is a loser

it would inject a bit of entertainment to all the theorycrafting that is thrown around these threads a dozen times a day

>>21570745
This already exists in much simpler form, that is the Quiz
translating a text is gay, recording yourself is gay
just proving you can read words is no problem and it's the minimum requirement to knowing Japanese so it's a perfect test
one which most people here still can't pass lol

>>21570692
I'm 34 years old, homeless, and jobless.
A chubby, ugly nice guy in the midst of regretting my life.
Until about 3 hours ago, I was just a hikkikomori veteran neet, I wasn't homeless.
Then suddenly, my parents were dead, and because I was secluding myself and didn't go to the family meeting, I was treated as if I don't exist.
I was snared into a trick by my siblings, and chased out of the house.
I mastered banging on the floors and walls, and my arrogant behavior meant I had no allies.
On the day of the funeral, right when I was jacking off, I was barged in on by my siblings in their mourning clothes, and they came at me with a document saying I'd be cut off from the family.
When I ignored them, my little brother took a wooden bat and destroyed my computer, which was more important to me than my life.
When I raged in a crazed fit, my brother who's skilled in karate beat the shit out of me.
Crying in a humilating way, I was kicked out of my house with only the clothes on my back.

Had to look up 4 of those words, and it took time to figure out how to translate some of the grammar that was awkward to phrase in English. but anyway, there's my attempt.

now fuck off.

>>21570762
the quiz is offsite faggotry that rewards anki grinders and doesn't test reading, which is supposedly the core skill that most people in this thread are aiming to learn

>recording yourself is gay
at least we can agree on something

>>21570776
>rewards anki grinders
that's honestly just a delusion of yours
am I an anki grinder to you despite making only voiced context cards from anime?
how about jamal fan who doesn't use Anki and is still amazing at the quiz?
the quiz is a good test, in which doing alright at it is the minimum requirement for being able to read, I keep repeating myself
if you can read you can do the quiz, no Anki required
however when you read shit you don't sit there and translate so translating is a worse test as it brings in a new element that isn't relevant to knowing Japanese

the four words i looked up:
奸計、傍若無人、喪服、有段者

and also i'm admitting i did not understand this part of the last line 事無きをえようとしたら,
but looking at it again, i think it meant something like "in order avoid that"

>>21570791
>however when you read shit you don't sit there and translate so translating is a worse test as it brings in a new element that isn't relevant to knowing Japanese
one tests more, one tests less. someone who can read is is guaranteed to know vocab, but someone who knows vocab is not guaranteed to be able to read. and because it can be done in the thread, the people here can have the fun of ripping apart failed "translations," which as i understand is primary entertainment for people learning or pretending to learn japanese.

>>21570791
>translating is a worse test as it brings in a new element that isn't relevant to knowing Japanese
exactly, part of why i hesitated to even do it. most of the work of translating is trying to re-phrase and rearrange things to not sound awkward as fuck. sometimes that involves replacing words and rewording entire phrases even if they don't match precisely with the japanese.

>>21570815
now that you said that you are obliged to do the quiz right

>>21570815
i'll be the first to say that your english reads like shit but i'll also be the first to say that in a test of comprehension the flow and readability of the resulting english doesn't matter. the test is to see whether you failed in reading comprehension; ie, whether any part of your translation is objectively wrong.

>>21570791
>am i an anki grinder for having a anki 5gb media folder and 10000 hours spent creating cards while unable to enjoy an anime if i dont pause and create a card in the middle of it

>>21570838
it's 2gb
it's just a few hours in total
I've watched a ton of anime without mining
and even if I watched with the intention of mining everything I average like 1-2 words per episode
which is less than a minute of time

>>21570768
based

>>21570841
>even if I watched with the intention of mining everything I average like 1-2 words per episode
if this is the case (which i don't doubt) they why do you even mine still? if i were you i'd just be kicking back and enjoying at this point. unless you're one of those people who just finds it hard to relax and always has to be striving.

>>21570856
people putting their money where their mouth is in these threads is so rare it brings a tear to my eye

>>21570768
>Then suddenly, my parents were dead, and because I was secluding myself and didn't go to the family meeting, I was treated as if I don't exist.
>I was snared into a trick by my siblings, and chased out of the house.
You misunderstood this. He's saying that they plotted to drive him out specifically by taking advantage of the fact that he didn't notice that his parents were dead, that he didn't notice his parents were dead or that he should have gone to the meeting until the moment they came to drive him out.

>I mastered banging on the floors and walls, and my arrogant behavior meant I had no allies.
He mastered the art of getting people to bring him what he wanted or do things he wanted by making loud noises. This is a very common stereotyped hikikomori behavior. The second half is about acting without consideration for how living and communicating like that would affect the others people who live in the same house - the 家で was important. It's not about arrogance, it's about being a nuisance to the others living together with him because of his pounding.

>right when I was jacking off
Good job ignoring ブリッヂ, dude. Was it that hard to look up/

>and they came at me with a document saying I'd be cut off from the family.
絶縁状を突きつけられた does not describe literally being handed a formal document.

>When I raged in a crazed fit, my brother who's skilled in karate beat the shit out of me.
You might want to look up how karate ranks work.

Your translation is about what I'd expect from someone who can basically (but barely) function when reading Japanese but makes basic misunderstandings fairly regularly and wouldn't be able to produce interesting idiomatic Japanese if they tried.

I like how nobody else here is capable of judging your translation other than "wow, he actually posted one!"

ur mistake is thinkin anyone reads this shit

>>21570879
you people underestimate learning Japanese
most people who think they know jack shit actually suck ass
every person you've met on the English speaking internet that said they know Japanese is probably a huge fucking ass sucking shitter
because they all have the same mindset and think they are done learning once they reached a shitty mediocre level of comprehension
the AJATT cultists are a prime example of this universally shitters and losers but they put themselves on a pedestal that they don't belong on
listen, you are not done learning after 20000 words, Anki will not stop being the most efficient way of acquiring words at any point
I sit back, relax and enjoy plenty of times, but I have no reached a satisfying level of Japanese
why should I doing what is maximally efficient before I have reached a level I am satisfied
the level my English is currently at is a nice goal

>>21570885
>I like how nobody else here is capable of judging your translation other than "wow, he actually posted one!
yeah because we're fucking LEARNERS around intermediate or below and you're a fucking VETERAN HIKIKOMORI NIHONGO NEET
which i've been saying from the beginning but you insisted on shoving your way into our discussions anyway

also all the shit you've explained in detail here is great and all but very difficult to squeeze into a translation that was just tossed at you 5 minutes ago.

i don't even care about your criticisms from an competitive perspective since i know all you want to do is shit on a bunch of learners who haven't dedicated their whole lives to this like you have. if anything i'll slide the corrections in my back pocket for future reference, but as a person you're still insufferable

thanks for the free tutoring, jerk.

>>21570907
so in other words i guess
>you're one of those people who just finds it hard to relax and always has to be striving.

>>21570885
>He's saying that they plotted to drive him out specifically by taking advantage of the fact that he didn't notice that his parents were dead, that he didn't notice his parents were dead or that he should have gone to the meeting until the moment they came to drive him out.
i don't believe there's an implication that he didn't know that his parents were dead until he was to be kicked out, or even, that he "should have attended" given that as a hikikomori he's likely incapable of doing so. if you had written any of these into a translation i would object that it reads things that aren't there. 気付いたら is often more of a "before i had fully grasped the situation" rather than a literal absence of knowledge.

>>21570925
what I'm saying is that I'm not at a level where not striving anymore is an option for anyone but the most miserable of learners which is what most people are

>>21570931
>I'm not at a level where not striving anymore is an option for anyone but almost everyone
must be hard

>>21570936
everyone notice how almost everyone sucks ass
why would I make that my goal

damn I've been making typos like crazy today I'll correct this one just this one time

>>21570943
*ever notice

>>21570943
nobody's going to stop you for going for kanken 1 but it's also true that nobody is going to give a shit when you declare that everyone else needs to aim for it too

>>21570948
if this thread were about cooking or piano, 99% of people here would be the equivalent of people who just want to put shit in a pot and eat it or bang out video game songs on the piano, while a few very elitist people run around criticizing people for being unable to make a proper white sauce or bang out appassionatos with proper technique from memory

you can lord people's mediocrity over them but you can't make them care

1. How do you learn more words/kanji? I've been trying to cram as much grammatical knowledge as I can and now I need to work on learning words.
2. I was thinking of picking up a simple book at the store in Japanese to kinda immerse myself. Is this a good idea?

>>21570989
you learn words by reading more so yes its a good idea

>>21570943
>almost everyone sucks ass
compared to what, honestly?
not everyone has the goal of matching a native's ability in every way
some people literally just want to watch anime and play games and shit. that's it.
compared to someone who can't do any of that without looking up stuff every sentence, high intermediates with a comprehension rate of 98% or more are pretty dam good. not saying everyone in this thread is even at that level. maybe like 5 or 6 people who come here are.

still, nothing wrong with aiming for that if it fits your needs, even if it's low compared to a native. people have different goals and desires in life, quiz.

actually even if 5 or 6 people here are above the level i described it would still mean most of them suck. but i know that your standards are much higher than that anyway so in your view only 1 person who comes here doesn't suck and that's the native guy who always types in hiragana

>>21570659
>>21570885
>Wassup, I'm a 34 year old with the same amount of houses as jobs (0 lol)
>Until 3 bongs prior, I was the fattest nice guy you never met, wallowing in the regrets and the PTSD of my service in the NEET army.
>But then my parents croaked the bucket before I noticed it. And my shitlings (shit + siblings) took advantage of that to hold a family meeting and totally dupe me out the house.
>I thought I had these shitters trained to wait on me hand and foot, but I guess using those hands and feets on the walls and floors to get their attention pissed 'em off. Oops (lmao)
>On the day of my parents funeral, I was jerkin' it bridge style when the next thing I knew I was gettin' marching orders out the house.
>I tried to just ignore it, but then my lil bro smashed up my one true love whilst I was shitposting the latest DJT on it
>I started hootin' and hollerin' and then my older brother (who's a total Dan in Karate) whipped my ass.
>Crying at the betrayal (and not cause I got my ass whipped), I slinked out the house with nothin' but my shitty, greasy NEET uniform to show for my service.

How'd I do?

>>21570917
I actually only spend an hour or so a day on Japanese on average, this entire conversation has been a charade leading up to you trying to put yourself in the victim's shoes as a poor learner who can't possibly try to keep up with the VETERAN HIKIKOMORI NIHONGO NEET when in reality you somehow manage to spend more time on Japanese than me and come out with more holes in your knowledge, despite the fact that I don't use Anki and you do.

Just like you're saying, I'm an insufferable piece of shit and want to shit on people who are worse at Japanese than me, but the reason is very much different than the fact I dedicated so much of my life to Japanese, because I haven't. The reason is that this place is full of beginners and eternal dekinais obsessed with all the tiny details of how to spend their time with the language, how much time to spend on Anki, how much time to spend reading, how you need to use Anki period, how it'll cripple your nihongo, how their Anki cards should be formatted, or whether they should read VNs or LNs, whether anime is effective learning or mining material, ad infinatum.

And don't get me started about people parroting e-celebs.

So spending about an hour a day on Japanese on average, then laying the translation corrections on you, am I some kind of savant lording his superior learning speed over others? Nah. What really counts is, as Jamal puts it, "quality language time". My participation in this argument has been building up to hammering down on this very point, starting all the way back when I insisted that it's actually very easy to retain things without memorizing them back when I was lowercase posting as bait.

If my average one hour a day of maximum-quality maximum-pleasure smooth-sailing reading and listening in Japanese results in better gains than you, how on earth can you justify NOT talking about the importance of quality? Sure, go ahead, add Anki or extra reading hours on if you want, but you need to have a high quality floor or you're handicapping yourself. You need to internalize what you're reading.

Aim for deep, high-level comprehension, spanning entire paragraphs or scenes. What's going on? Why are things happening the way they are? Why does this grammar pattern feel so different from this other grammar pattern? How would I have written this instead, and what does that say about the text or my ability in the language? Your brain should be asking itself all sorts of question in the background, subconsciously, as you read or listen to Japanese, just like it does when you do so in a language you're good at. Your points about instantly forgetting things you just looked up indicate that you haven't managed to make this happen yet. This is vital to language learning. Oh, and this doesn't affect reading speed.

Lower your affective filter. Develop habits that let you learn more efficiently without using Anki as a crutch. You're capable of retaining much more language knowledge than you tell yourself you're capable of retaining. Just like I said at the very beginning, it's actually very, very easy to retain things that you acquire naturally. You just have to process things at a deeper level than cranking over sequences of words.

I'd say how many years I've been learning (it's not a lot, at least) but the fact is that if you've spent much less than me you don't have a place giving advice or arguing about what learners should do, and if you spent much more than me then oh boy you should reread everything I just wrote again because you need it.

>>21570929
I was going to reply to this with a nice and easy "yeah I probably should have explained it how he didn't understand the situation until it was too late and his family already had ammo to use against him, rather than going out of my way to say that he was completely ignorant until the moment they barged into his room" until
>気付いたら is often more of a "before i had fully grasped the situation" rather than a literal absence of knowledge.
which is an idea that you're taking way too far. If you read the sentence from left to right you see a clear progression of retrospection from "this is where I am right now" to "I didn't know" and finally "they took advantage of me (this is how they did it)". He was clearly ignorant of what was going on at each stage of his retrospection, right down to "they pretended I didn't exist, they didn't keep me in the know, I didn't know what was going on" aspect. It may be possible to read it as saying he was ignoring it all but still knew, but doing so would make the writing disjointed. The narrator is trying to downplay how fucked up he was and demonize his family.

Incidentally, it turns out that someone asked about this very passage on hinative before, so you don't have to just take my word for it: https://hinative.com/ja/questions/671708

Unrelated to your post but I'm copy pasting this here so Jamal sees it:
>What really counts is, as Jamal puts it, "quality language time".

Damn, people wouldn't believe me when I told them I learned japanese from reading and fapping to eromanga with a dictionary on the side

fuck off dude, i'm not reading your crap anymore.

>>21571097
Are you implying manga is reading by saying you read and fap to eromanga or did you mean you fap to eromanga and you also read?
If the former, pic related.

For a second I thought I got owned really hard there, but then I remembered that I've been doing this for all the lurkers out there from the start, not for anon. Rest in peace, anon. You will be missed.

sipping a luxurious アイスコーヒー and reflecting on how great it is to not be as insufferable as that guy.

>>21571086
Logically I should defer to the (functionally illiterate?) natives on hinative, but I don't fully buy your explanation.

>I didn't know
>they didn't keep me in the know
No phrase like this exists in any part of the sentence. I can see how it's theoretically possible to read them into the sentence but that would be a conclusion, not something you could use as the textual basis for a conclusion.

>>21571055
pretty good, would read

also i can't take anyone seriously who rides jamal's dick when he gets N2 word incorrect. at this point you're just trolling.

>>21571123
I should have written my explanation in reverse. The most important part of it is
>The narrator is trying to downplay how fucked up he was and demonize his family.
which is where the interpretation that they were intentionally keeping him in the dark comes from.

>>21571133
>The narrator is trying to downplay how fucked up he was
Eh, he certainly depicts his family as doing lots of bad shit but there's also plenty of text in there that acknowledges that he was fairly fucked up too.

I was going to argue this more, but I guess ハマり means almost exactly that he was deliberately tricked (as opposed to my original, probably mistaken interpretation that they could theoretically just have voted to kick his dumb NEET ass out because he failed to show up instead of engineering the situation that way) so I give.

>the kanji for でんわ is 電話
Why not just use the hiragana? The kanji is so fucking long

>borrow the word mansion
>make the word mean apartment
ummm....nip babs????

>>21571086
i decided to read this because my curiosity got the best of me (mad at myself), but i can't get past the irritation that you assumed i haven't understood or processed any of the 60+ books, raw manga volumes, videogame text, web articles etc I've read in Japanese on a "deep level". that's annoying. i have processed, enjoyed, resonated with, been moved by, laughed at etc, at least 1,000 hours of japanese media at this point. having holes in my knowledge isn't evidence against that -- it's just evidence that i'm still fucking learning, which i've said a million times now. you're condescending attitude feels like nails against a chalkboard. and your claim that you only spend 1 hour a day reeks of bullshit. people love to pretend they've been studying way less than they have.

i'll tell you how long i've been learning from input. about 3 years. and i'm not ashamed to say that a significant amount of those days were not spent on any japanese because i was distracted by other aspects of my life. but given the amount of effort i've put in, i'm in a pretty damn good place, especially since i can comfortably communicate too. and i'm not going to let some smartass on the internet with a superiority complex convince me otherwise.

i have dabbled with no-anki for months at a time, and my gains felt negligible at best. coming back to anki always resulted in significantly more retention of new words and less forgetting for me. that is why i keep coming back to it.

>Hey guys what's going on in this thre-

>>21571317
I just want to say that I think it's pretty funny that you missed the point of a post telling you how important it is to get the point of things.
>and your claim that you only spend 1 hour a day reeks of bullshit. people love to pretend they've been studying way less than they have.
That number comes from rightfully including all the days I effectively only did ten or fifteen minutes of reading into the average.

>>21571335
>I just want to say that I think it's pretty funny that you missed the point of a post telling you how important it is to get the point of things.
or maybe you willingly missed MY point, which was that i do understand overall paragraphs and scenes of my input, and i'm not just "cranking over sequences of words" like you claimed. your assumptions are false and condescending.

>>21571345
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole

>>21571317
Yeah yeah that's nice but manga isn't reading.

>>21571351
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condescension

>>21571367
I mean I came out and said outright that I was here to shit on you so yeah I'm being pretty condescending right now. What do you think the point of me doing that is?

>>21571373
>What do you think the point of me doing that is?
to try and make others feel shitty so you can feel less bad about your own problems?

today i started the habit of using text-to-speech on novels and my enjoyment of them has jumped 100%

fuck reading

>>21571384
No, it actually makes me feel like absolute shit, not the other way around.

私は銃を食べたい

>>21571397
so why do you do it?

after like the 2nd wall of text i thought he was tryin to make the read more squad look bad by bein a complete dumbfuck
but now i think hes actually oblivious to how fuckin stupid he looks and its just a bad feel all around for everyone

おはようおにいちゃん

ねむい

>>21571406
定めですもの

>>21571389
Is this you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhWuVywO8aI

wtf this discord drama shit. post some rap or a reddit post

wait so do you read 同胞 as どうほう or はらから？

>>21571482
はらから

what is going on my dudes

>>21571114
sorry you didn't get a reply for this

anon not every post need a (You), even this one

諦めねばやつがれのような輩にしかなれない
汝らはこの滅びた領域から逃げるのじゃ

Best fucking DJT we've had in a while. Thanks for the autism, and I think we can all agree: if you need to type more than a paragraph, delete your post and go learn more

超長くて読まなかった

>>21571583
that's not how they say that

>>21571586
so what's their equivalent of tldr?

>>21571590
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+do+you+say+tldr+in+japanese

>>21571595
>長すぎ
damn that simple?

>>21571602
長すぎ is just "too long" in general
there's a few more specific things that specifically mean "tldr"

長すぎるお兄ちゃん

>>21571607
耐えてくれ。お兄ちゃんのためだから

here to remind you that djt can always get worse and you don't know japanese unless you can also converse directly in japanese with natives without making tons of mistakes

How many of you know/can feel the difference between どこからか and どこらかか without using a grammar guide?

おにいちゃん

２０１９なつアニメ

なにみるの？

How many of you know/can feel the difference between どこからか and どこからか without using a grammar guide?

How many of you know/can feel the difference between どこかから and どこからか without using a grammar guide?

>>21569189
hello English

>>21569045
だから何よ

>>21571689
まだきめてない

最低…
ありふれた職業で世界最強
コップクラフト
ロード・エルメロイII世の事件簿 -魔眼蒐集列車 Grace note-
魔王様、リトライ!
手品先輩

でもほかのもみるつもりです

>>21571707
is this a real question

>>21571688
>>21571706
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YniVg5z8Lc&t=45

>>21571735
is this a real question

>>21571689
あっききわすれた

あなたのほうもなにをみるつもり？

>>21571689
たくさんアニメを見ますつもり

>>21571735
thats what happens when u dont read more

this kanji 江
back when i hardly knew any kanji, i just let this slide
but now that i notice it, it's weird
based on the context, i'm assuming it is the kanji of へ, as in 家へ帰る.
but i have never seen any use of this kanji in place of へ, and when i used it with my japanese friends, they couldn't understand what i was saying, so what does it really mean?

>>21571707
slightly different intonation when you speak it.

>>21571746
たくさんのアニメがいいよね

あのんさん屁

いなす バーサス かわす

word of the day: 兵燹

>>21571746
>>21571783
ソウナンですか？

はうまくころがればおもしろいとおもう

>>21571783
はい、この夏はいろいろな面白いアニメを放送します。
楽しみ

i'm starting to suspect that everyone in this thread is either a retard or an autist or both

how do u use yomichan? i tried hovering over kanji but it doesnt work, when i mash shift and press mouse scroll wheel it sometimes shows the popup and sometimes doesn't, im very confused and lost and lonely on this, please help

>starting
just now? you are 数万年遅い

>>21571925
everyone in this thread is both actually

>>21571927
oh nevermind with my great intellect and high iq i figured it out, damn i am so smart i actually feel a bit scared

>>21571925
Wasn't being a retard a requirement to learn nihongo?

Legend says this word still haunts a certain someone.

rent free

>>21571925
Autist reporting in

>>21571984
matt pronounced it as こうごう

合目

>0.18039 litres (liters)
>0.3306 metres square (meters)

hmm yes i will remember this

why is the old site so much better than the new one?

remembered the dude sayin look guys at least he used atamadaka on kohgoh

>tfw I want to do more reps to learn more words but I don't want to be a retard that spend more than 15 minutes on Anki everyday

The struggle is real

>>21572110
You're not even learning words in anki you twit

>>21572114
what the fuck are you trying to say of course I learn words what do you want me to learn and dont start with the "you dont learn anything hurr hurr" shit retard

we used to laugh at people that use anki for 2 hours a day now it's just 15 min

>>21572120
there are still people using anki 2h/day I'm just intelligent enough to know that I can use Anki 10min and then read 4 hours

>>21572119
I'm talking about the fact that anki is incapable of teaching words, you doesn't always mean you personally, you plonk

>reading
the absolute state of /djt/, the most efficient way to learn any language is by talking or chatting with people who use the language, but of course you fucking virgin lonely autistic gay neets don't have any friends to do that with lmao

written language =/= spoken language (both share roots tho)

imagine studying, reading, listening to or speaking the language

just fucking meditate in a cave and wait for the language to reveal itself to you

fucking tryhard retards

matt pls go

I've already meditated through all languages I am THE polyglot

Imagine not knowing latin and ancient greek and still trying to learn foreign languages. You don't even know the roots of your own language and culture man how can you understand another language if you don't uderstand yours and its origins ?

you originate from your mother's pussy, have you studied it properly?

wWwww草草草wwWW草

>>21569977
>Anki shouldn't take you more than 15 min/day
Nah, that's stupid.
For reviews only 30 minutes is still okay but then you also have to learn new cards which can easily take another 15 minutes or when it comes to RTK i spent 60 to 90 minutes every day on those 25 new ones.

how about you take as much as you like and don't listen to retards

>>21572167
so u havent started learning nihongo yet

>>21571317
you probably havent though if you still make relatively basic errors
i didnt understand any book i read on a deep level until i learned as an adult to enjoy reading as a hobby and my english was far better than your japanese is

>>21571756
>江
Yeah, apparently it is an alternative form of the へ particle
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E6%B1%9F#Etymology_4

Never seen it used before either, what the fuck.

https://youtu.be/8fjZ3geBxZ4?t=160
didn't know he played 大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズシリーズ

>>21572177
?
Anki is a complementary tool. You don't have to do either one or the other, you know, retard?

>>21572160
of course i know ii by heart that's why I can master the power of nihongo how do you expect someone to learn anything if they don't know their mother properly ?

>>21572167
implying you want to continue to review cards you have matured for months now and that you just won't forget. Remember that if anki is good for better retention it's shit like this that will make people dependant and not use their memory in a good proper way. At one point you have to delete the cards so you can remember it and not just think "hopefully I will review it again with anki so it's not so bad if I forger it"

>tfw reviews are rising at an alarming rate
getting nervous here, i already feel like jumping off a bridge after the 175 reviews i had to do today

>>21572204
just lowers the number of new cards or the % and you will have less reviews too, seriously don't let anki drive your life for you. Also doing too much anki is the best way to give up you will go from "haha yea too ez 50 new cards/day" to "I'm so tired of those 3 hours of Anki/day" in less than two months

>>21572204
How many cards have you learned in total?
I had to drop my new card rate down to 10/day when my daily review count reached 300
Now I'm slowly finishing off core with a pace of 200 review/day. Only 1k new cards to go. Should be done by the end of summer

>>21572204
lmao, i do 350 reviews with 30 new cards a day and also do 1 2 3 4 5 60 for new cards and 1 10 20 for missed cards, stop being a puss puss, unless you are doing 700-1000 reviews a day it's nothing

>>21572214
>>21572217
i finished core 2k and i have about 1500 learned in my current mining deck. I'm doing 24 words per day now. It took me 20 minutes to do my 175 reviews cause im slow af. not sure what to do since i dont want to lower my new cards cause i slacked hard on my vocab and am way behind where i should be. it's not even a time issue since i have all day free atm so even if i have to do 1 hour of reviews i can still get my 2 hours of reading in, it's just tedious. but it's very effective for me personally in terms of the carry over to reading so ye

>>21572180
In hindsight it makes sense since へ as the particle is pronounce as え and 江 can be pronounced as え while it's right radical is the precursor of the katakana エ.

>>21572226
why do u have 5 immediate steps on new cards

>>21572228
if you have finished core 2k you can obviously delete a lot of cards that you perfectly know. Check out for cards you know by heart and don't need in your deck anymore and delete those to gain more time

>>21572234
because i want to get them know better

>>21572237
i stopped doing reviews for core months ago, i just do my mining deck now
>>21572226
ok your retardation does make feel better about my predicament, ty

>>21572226
>i do 350 reviews with 30 new cards a day and also do 1 2 3 4 5 60 for new cards
wtf :|

>>21572245
if you can't even properly do 175 reviews without crying like a bitch then i'm afraid ur the retard, quite literally

>>21572253
uhuh whatever you say retard

>>21572140
I'd rather just watch manga.

uguuuuuu mommy save me anki is so hard! oh no it passed 100 reviews it's time to suicide

stop arguing about lame things like anki and just enjoy the good nihongo music ! this one is totemo kawai but its also a bit kowai ! very good nihongo music !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHJz3pfxS1A

>>21572179
>if you still make relatively basic errors
errors in... translating shit? that tells you nothing about how well i comprehended it. translating is a different game (which i never play) and i didn’t feel like putting in careful effort in making it sound perfect to prove something to some asswipe online. also, fuck you and eat my ass.

>>21572276
lol asswipe thats a good word nice

>>21572284
make sure u mine it

i like kizuna ai i think she's cute and funny

>>21572289
its so impactful i dont think id have to
on another note is there a word for when you've eaten most of a sandwich and now whenever you take a bite the stuff inside slips out the other end?

>>21572276
yeah not really though because those translation errors make clear your problems with comprehension

Can someone please dissect this for me?
その困った声に抱きついているような格好になっている自分に赤面し、声の主を見上げた。

>>21572330
think of the a car and the b engine

>>21572330
post page and give context

no longer feel like throwing up but just had diarrhea

>>21572346
Dolly's autistic explanations aren't helping me at all, too much of a brainlet.

>>21572360

>>21572184
his point is that RTK reviews aren't the same as vocab reviews and ur an idiot

>>21571086
i didnt read all of the argument or w/e leading up to ur post but bc i always like to ctrl f jamal and ur post has the most jamals i decided to respect u and read ur entire post

im happy the quality language time thing stuck with somebody out there esp since i havent said that in a long time i dont think

i like the emphasis on critical thinking but i think u should be just as free spirited with that as u would ideally be in looking up words u dont know

as far as time goes yea in the early going yea i prolly only spent an hour or 2 a day watching anime and then listened to music while doing other things so definitely all low quality nihongo time but after many hours possibly 10000 when i started to employ the old noggin thats when the big leaps started to happen cuz somehow i knew stuff i could react to stuff with words and phrases i didnt know i knew and i could even predict the next line a hentai game etc basically the best way to explain it is i was a baby chick bustin out the egg

but that all happened without even trying really i didnt have to "test" myself or try to internalize it was always just a series of a-ha moments but anyway the more i was able to think the more i came to know in the moment like how わたしはゲイ

>>21572377
Yeah that helps. Basically the girl (speaker) is clinging red-faced onto the other girl who gave the bewildered voice, then looked up to her (the owner of the troubled voice).

>>21572450
Can you explain how「きついているような格好になっている」interacts with the rest of the sentence? That's the part I just can't grasp, getting the gist of what's happening is easy enough, but what exactly is being modified within the sentence by this quoted part?

>>21570907
does this mean you're admitting matt is actually a god at japanese compared to 99.999% of learners?

>>21572377
>声の主を見上げた

doesnt look like it to me

>tfw no Japanese friends

>>21572439
>bc i always like to ctrl f jamal
yikers

>>21572477
it's narration, it happened after they got all yuri yuri

ソウナンですか？

ＰＶみてきたけど

にほんではうれそうだけど

△のおかげで

あのんたちにはそんなでもないかも

にほんではグロでも

かいがいではそうでもないかもしれないんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>>21572479
its part of my flowchart if there isnt anything to nipah about in the recent posts i go thru a series of things to find something to post about

>>21572481
yah but does it not ever change the image to have her look up ? with that whole line it really needs it but i know visual novels are trash and always full of missed opportunities

>>21572489
そうなんですか

>>21572464
yah its describing 自分 lol

>>21572464
I guess that part would mean that it became to the appearance that it looked like she was clinging onto the other girl (while seeming lovey dovey, which is possible if one were to look at them at that moment from afar and without context) and then from that blushed at herself because of what others might think.

>>21572503
せいかくには

ついらくだそうです
https://comic-days.com/episode/13932016480029400277

>>21572492
i finished it for u

>>21572526
>____<

>>21572533
that reaction makes me not regret getting my art degree

>>21572526
that's an A for effort

>>21572513
みんな無事でありますように

>>21572540
i relaly appreciated how u drew the green testicles such attention to detail

>>21572526
did you draw this on an etch a sketch?

>>21572607
i'm too poor to afford such high class drawing tools

daily reminder to keep your children on a leash

Hi does anybody know if Jamal is fluent and is he black?

>>21572634
I've been learning Japanese for 5 weeks and understood nothing on this page. Fuck this shit.

LiSA's live in Nippon Budokan sugoi desu ! Really good input and even if input is actually useless shit at least you will listen to good music ! Better than warui western music for sure !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvBrxuJazo0

this pretty rad html table

What character / min do I need to have to be considered "good"?

people always say that manga is not reading but I find reading manga far more difficult than reading VN or LN desu

does anybody of my tomogakis know where my じょんじょんs are?

>>21572741
これ？

あたしのちほうのほうげんだからちがうとおもう

>>21572748
あ、それ探してたの！サンキュー

>>21572718
475

>>21572729
It's difficult since you can't read something that isn't reading in the first place.

>>21572760
woa that was actual the reason why I found it so difficult thank you nihongo no masuta you really enlighted me with your retardness

reading is not even japanese

勃発

>>21572753
ちがうんじゃないの

たぶんにほんのほとんどでつうじないよ

>>21572757
That's native speed though

何かが必要であるのは明白だった。例えばこのスレにゲイの量を増幅が

>>21571746
not 見ますつもり
みるつもり

「たくさんみる」だけだったら、完璧(perfect).

do(する)+つもり = "will" or "(want to/may) try to do"

>>21572803
俺は芸だけど
いいのか

>>21572802
so is 200 wpm for english natives which anyone good at the language can do

>>21572812
clocked in at 385 / min

dekinai

>>21571746
つうじてるよ

>>21572718

>>21572884
肉薄する芸さと強さ

>>21572884
やばい

>>21570807
got a error, use the image instead.

the reply to others was successful, so I couldnt identify the cause.

Most japanese words start with an "s"

衣桁

>studied 1040 cards in 150 minutes today

>>21571866
はうまくころがれば???

上手く転がれば???

>>21572962
こどもがつかうとちょっとばちがいなことば

ことがうまくはこぶといういみ

ころぶってよくつかう

>人生何がどう転ぶかわからないものだ
>who said "tomorrow is another day".

今　発情期だったら　どうしよう？

>>21571872
普通は「この夏も」だけどね。

春アニメが個人的に気に入らなかったなら、「この夏は(春に比べて)」でもいいんだけどね。

Thinking about uploading my 18 month DJTATT update soon now that I can safely say I can read anything and simply just understand all of it

>>21573036
open up that patreon before uploading the 自己紹介っぽい動画

imagine knowing more about matts biography than japanese

>>21571952
why?

「拡大解釈」の意味と混同してない？

>>21571872
つうじてるよ

>>21573083
>>21572879
u don't tsuujiteru anything

Reminder to fill out the djt census!
https://forms.gle/hKuo8tq7Cge315CJA

it's funny u get attacked here for saying ur just gonna read and not do flashcards. is djt a cult?

I was about to read, but realized I only have manga. So I ended up doing Anki instead.

When will you consider yourself to have learned a language? What's the benchmark?

>>21573311
See itazuraneko

>>21573313
When it's rare for me to not know a word, and if that happens. I'm still able to ask for explanation, or explain what I meant in other ways.

>>21572002
>>21572024
it using not only for climbing road/position/height(mountaineering terms), just one of old scale/unit/rate(合 ごう).
目 as mark,sign,position, not eye(s).

In climbing journey, 1合 means about 1/10 time rate,
1合目 is first 1/10 fr the bottom.

We dont use the 10合目 = 山頂 or 頂上 usual.
頂 means peak, top

合 is used only in the amount of 米 (mainly ごはん茶碗、炊飯器) except 山 in modern Japanese.
although 合 as a unit of area, it is not used already.

this "合目" as a mountain climbing is often used for the progress of work such as time-consuming work, but it is not used so much now.
頂上 = success, done, finish, complete

how long did you srs rtk for after completion? rarepotato said he did it for like a year but he says now it (maintaining ability to write) is a waste of time

>>21573388
After seeing the last new one, I think I repped for 2 weeks and just deleted the deck.

>>21573388
i still have it to this day 2 years later

>>21573005
ちょっと書き方が悪かった。

「上手く転がれば」だとしたら、頭の「は」が何を意味しているのか理解出来なかったと言うこと。

言いたい事は良くわかったけど、わかりにくすぎる
ひぐらしの「はうはう」言う子かと思ったわ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icc1Filb8e4

>>21573388
For like a month.
Six month later I started the C10K production deck for fun and still knew pretty much everything after a quick "oh yeah it's that one".

we wont make it brahs....

>>21570666
If the anime is anything to go by, the Monogatari series is extremely easy to read.

>>21570666
its honestly shit like this that makes basically dealing with westerners wrt any kind of media from japan just impossible

non ironic weebs go

is qm still going through his new cards?

the fact that you add a vocab word or sentence to anki and rep it a bunch of times and once the interval gets so big it comes up again and you forget it and hit again should be a good hint that flashcards dont work and you should read more books

https://streamable.com/vbme9