/jp/ - Otaku Culture

fuck, which one bros....

>>21527616
bitches aint good for nothin but gettin u killed

How to ACTUALLY learn Japanese:
1. Do Japanese stuff
2. Use Japanese words to describe everything (for example, instead of talking about a suspicious person, talk about an 怪しい人, and instead of satying clouds are fluffy-looking, say 雲はふわふわ枕見たいです)
3. Masturbate to eroge, h-manga, etc. Bonus points for saying 行くうううう instead of "I'm about to cum!"

>>21527632
>Use Japanese words to describe everything
why would i bother doing this dumb shit if i can just get enough input and then talk to natives over italki or whatever

i dont wanna hear the inner voice of the guy describing everything in japanese lol

>>21527644
冗談だ、兄貴。
Besides, if you're an autistic shut-in NEET with terrible social skills like me, who are you gonna practice most of the time with besides yourself or the guys here at DJT?

日本語はむずかしい

someone get a $10 patreon in this b asap
these seem like 100% reddit gold

01:20 - What research do you have to back up your claim that premature output and excessive early reading negatively affect pronunciation in the long term?
20:08 - Do Japanese people still say your Japanese is "cute"? Why do you think this happens?
40:44 - Who would win in a fight between you and Yoga?
41:22 - Are Japanese people racist towards Chinese people?
1:07:58 - How do you plan on moving away from piracy for the future of MIA?
1:21:46 - Why do you think there aren't any girls doing MIA?

>>21527616
Are you really going to leave a girl alone with all them ghosts?

>>21527695
>Who would win in a fight between you and Yoga?
kek i ask autistic questions like this to content creators all the time and half the time they get weirded out or offended

>>21527695
>Why do you think there aren't any girls doing MIA?

>>21527616
>tfw you realize she and her family dies if you say no

>>21527616
tell this sexist slut to suck it

>>21527695
who cares

eceleb gossipers are honestly worthless human beings.

>>21527695
>1:07:58 - How do you plan on moving away from piracy for the future of MIA?
lol

>>21527741
why? it is literally in our DNA to gossip about higher-status individuals. it gives us an idea of how to leverage their status to increase or avoid destroying our own.

sure, in the age of the internet and TV the leverage is nonexistent, but the biological drive is still there. i think you should respect my desire to gossip.

i mean anyone here who hasnt dropped out of college and ate in a japanese toilet for 6 months is higher status than that guy tho

>>21527750
naturalistic fallacy

>>21527773
well i asked why it was bad

>>21527765
he has no honor but he makes more money

than who

is there a decent article on 事 and と思う. yeah sure koto means thing amou means think but then sometimes they have completely different implications to their english counterpart. are monolingual dictionaries supposed to be this difficult at first?

>>21527750
well at least your opinion of yourself is appropriately low

>>21527765
not only does he make more money than me (i a neet) but he does have the respect of his patrons and some other people in the language learning community. many hate him too, but that just proves he has status.

what the fUCk

>>21527805
well have fun doin that

>>21527800
than the poor neet squad obviously
at least im not this guy >>21527805

I've been trying to get something appealing to read that isn't hentai or eroge... What do you suggest for someone in the intermediate level willing to look up a lot of words? I thought about reading harry potter, but I couldn't find a free jp version. And desu I think I'm overestimating my abilities, I'm not gonna be able to read harry potter.
Welp, what about love stories? Do you have a favorite romantic manga maybe?

>>21527801
>are monolingual dictionaries supposed to be this difficult at first
yes. but it mostly depends on when you decide to start using them. obviously someone studying for 2 months will have a harder time than someone studying for a year, so it really is just a matter of getting used to them

>>21527824
well probably more status than you too. you're probably a cog in the machine. i'm not saying you're a worse human being than him or something, you just have less status.

>>21527826
anime with japanese subtitles

ur all cogs in my posting machine

>>21527826
Are you implying manga is reading? Sorry buddy it's not.

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>>21527864
Are you okay?

i just typed manga isnt reading in capital letters and copy pasted it a bunch of times why would that make u think anything was wrong or abnormal

>>21527805
jesus christ dude

You know a prostitute probably earns several times you do as well doesn't mean that's somebody I'm going to respect
actually the prostitute provides a service while Matt's sole accomplishment is taking advantage of autistic kids so I guess the prostitute has more respect from me lol

>>21527839
I would rather have something written because I study on my way to college. Also I'm not a big fan of anime, but I could try with the manga version. Any recommendations?

>>21527856
Silly me, I always forget that. What was your favorite book when you were on intermediate level anon?

if u have issues against prostitutes ur honestly just jealous that u cant just fuck all day to survive and keep the drugs flowing into ur junkie veins

>>21527891
https://vocaroo.com/i/s17j9jiNkNP7

>>21527891
https://vocaroo.com/i/s17j9jiNkNP7

>>21527910
yeah fucking anyone with a thick wallet is a great life dude fucking lmao

yoga hivemind ftw

so intelligence correlates to language learning ability and not the amount of money you make based on time spent working?

>>21527891
https://vocaroo.com/i/s17j9jiNkNP7

>>21527938
wouldn't that make matt the smartest japanese learner?

>>21527938
Nah. Intelligence is the ability to solve funny-looking puzzles on a piece of paper.
You can be intelligent as fuc with an IQ of 250 and still be dirt poor (like Chris Langan), or you can be dumb as fuck and also be rich as hell (like that dumbass Elon Musk).

intelligence correlates to how well u can understand this image

>>21527938
i mean idk about language learning in particular but income and wealth do correlate moderately with IQ.

>>>/trash/23757247

eceleb, intelligence, gossip, and other non-japanese related discussions please go here. thank you

>>21527968

New and improved version

https://vocaroo.com/i/s0BpDpY9PuBJ

>>21528006

>>21527994
>there's a subreddit called trash
wtf i love 4chanz now

Okay here is some news
I just synced AOT episodes 50-56 Japanese subtitles to the horriblesubs release
the show is airing right now and I'm sure some of you are watching so be sure to use those files to do your anime mining
enjoy

>>21528035
I mean I synced them and uploaded them to kitsunekko
it was written down in my head but I forgot typing it

>>21528038
https://vocaroo.com/i/s0BpDpY9PuBJ

>>21528035
>>21528038
https://vocaroo.com/i/s17j9jiNkNP7

listening to yoga's silky voice is interrupting my immersion time but i just can't stop

>>21528035
The real question here is how can you stand that tripe lmao

>>21528107
it's fun
but I'm not a man hard to entertain and enjoy most things I watch
a lot better than being a cynic thinking everything new is shit

any vtuber fans here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5_rmF1B8Mg

Mine this
https://soundcloud.com/kazeto-701426427/paipanninja

>>21527644
How to make friends and what are the best apps?

>>21528144

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCw1d4RxDfw

Only one I watch is ベイレーン
these are short and entertaining
can't honestly spend 20 minutes watching a bitch play a game lol

daily reminder that you do not have to finish anything you don't want to finish to keep improving in the language.

you could literally read only two chapters of 30 different books and manga and still improve as if you read 5~6 full books (if not moreso since you're getting exposed to a wider variety of material). some people here try to act like because someone didn't finish x VN or something their japanese isn't good/isn't improving? but that's total bullshit lol. what matters is the collective number of meaningful sentences consumed in context regardless of source, the order in which you encounter chunks of language is completely arbitrary in the long run.

>>21527805
This is a mighly low bar to be envious of someone. How do you even deal with the existence of actual successful people? I guess they're so alien to you, you can't even comprehend them as human. Matt is as far as you're willing to go.

>>21528144
vtubers are trash but i found this a while ago and lolled pretty good and still lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGbmpt6h-9U#t=23

>>21527966
>you can be dumb as fuck and also be rich as hell (like that dumbass Elon Musk).
???

>>21527826
Just read any light novel you might find interesting. I'm sure you're aware of a few. Pick the one you think you might like best.

>>21527868
>Are you okay?
he's having a psychotic breakdown after realizing he's unable to read text when it's inside of 吹き出し
might have been scarred by some past experience with 吹き出し
poor kid

elon musk is a pedophile

>>21528196
actually its the other way i find it relaly hard reading text not in a 吹き出し

>>21527864
No manga isn't reading. Reading is reading. Manga is something you read.

>>21528144
I was into the trend last year but I kind of lost interest.

I watch this one regularly still, if it counts (pre-dates the whole virtual youtuber craze but is basically the same concept anyway):
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfyI5G_PQRiJULDs8IMzk3w
I'm interested in the subject matter of the channel, so that helps, but I also find the videos fun anyway.

I also still watch these from time to time:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCy5lOmEQoivK5XK7QCaRKug
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2Rr7mILebYLTjd38DNNUTw
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGcD5iUDG8xiywZeeDxye-A

>>21527750
>why? it is literally in our DNA to gossip about higher-status individuals.
some of you guys have a really shitty grasp in biology/evolutionary psychology lol
it's not in my nature to gossip, pleb.

>>21528035
Do you get the subs from kitsunekko in the first place or is there some other famed resource for Japanese subs for currently airing shows?

>>21528171
Nah, it's well known that while you're reading a VN it's a progress bar going up and once you complete the 100% you can cash it in for some nihongo improvement.

>>21528215
naw

>>21528212
Those particular subs are from Netflix which I think is the main source of Japanese airing show subs these days
the other source for airing subtitles is probably TV

>>21528212
>>21528219
I mean I grabbed them from kitsunekko and resynced them but they are from Netflix

>>21528203
in the denial stage now huh?
*closes the manga that caused the psychotic break* there there, the 吹き出しcan't hurt you anymore

大辞林 is a lil too descriptive and wordy sometimes idk if i like

>>21528231
im not the manga isnt reading guy dude

>>21527695
its $5 on patreon if anyone actually wants to provide reddit content

>>21528171
u should def not force urself to keep readin somethin u aint havin fun with but theres a benefit to stickin with somethin in the beginning
when u get used to the common vocab in a particular thing u can get a lot more readin done in the same amount of time and u are buildin stronger associations with those new things
u also have more background context to help u
but followin ur heart is the most important

>>21528171
Daily reminder manga isn't reading.

What app do you use to read manga? I'm using tachiyomi but there's little raw content

Well, do you?

>>21528254
i read your comment poorly, my bad

but yeah the manga isn't reading guy needs to be locked up

I'm going to finish this Anime up until the latest episode and then stop watching everything until I catch up with my shit this time for real

qm is so fucked

https://vocaroo.com/i/s17j9jiNkNP7

>>21528413
you have up add a local library and use it that way, manually importing files

>>21528534
Your heart is just with Japanese and not with your pointless degree. Follow your heart shounen.

has anybody ever succeeded in doing 100 rtk daily

>>21528627
yea someone out there has but who cares

>>21528627
Possibly. Why are you in such a rush exactly?

right lets how this goes

>>21528636
no doubt youll burn out in the first 500 cards but good luck regardless

https://youtu.be/VXbmHcF1P-0?t=1357

why do all of these autistic ass sniffers want to be the leaders of some shitty irrelevant movement so bad

Reminder to take the /djt/ census!
https://forms.gle/DeyiEEXym8QY1qGe6

>>21528657
It's a last desperate attempt for a bunch of losers to receive recognition for something in their lives. If you follow this whole AJATT/MIA community under this lense all of their behavior makes a lot of sense suddenly.

>>21527691
Holy shit I have only done Tae Kim and I can already understand this. Haven’t even studied kanji/vocabulary yet, duck yeah.

>>21528627
Slow and steady wins the race. Instead of doing a hundred a day, why not do thirty a day with the book's method AND flash cards together? Actually read the preface so that you really understand know to use it.

>>21528676
yea but do you recognize 兄?

what does it mean when i'm watching or reading something really moe and i get this cuddly tingly 温もり feeling in my chest area and then i pay attention to it and it keeps getting bigger and bigger until it feels like i'm about to explode?

>>21528701
You are about to have a heart attack, better go see a doctor about that

>>21528701
makes you a fucking faggot.

>>21527667
You can always create a Tulpa for yourself to talk with in japanese.

>>21528657
u actually watch that dudes vids

ur a billion times worse

>>21528717
ur tulpa would be at ur level
do u want to permanently cripple urself with ur own output as input
no thanks ill get to matts level before i create my tulpa

>>21528701
>>21528707

>>21528722
not completely true. your tulpa has access to your subconsciousness (which you don't have). this means she/he will be a lot better than you are because she can tap into a lot more neurons than your consciousness can.

Daily reminder that if you're white or black, you will never learn Japanese.

>>21528707
heart attacks feel good?
>>21528709
being a faggot is great then! why isn't everyone a faggot lol

I'm already better than a 2.5 year old native

>>21528717
>>21528729
what the heck is a tulpa

>>21528740
It's your body making you feel good for one last time before you die

>>21527592
Hello friends
>Do you have any recommendations for entry level manga I should watch?

>>21528747
interesting hypothesis, but i've had this feeling multiple times before and i'm still not dead haha

>>21528750
who are you quoting?

>>21528759
The girl reading this

汝、大和が言葉ぞ学ばるにあるまじかる

>>21528744
its when u groom a mental illness so that u can have a real waifu
u can google it

>>21528766
is she cute?

anybody familiar with tagaini jisho?

>>21528769
you, ... (can't into kobu)

>haven't touched anything but Anki in over a month
>slowly but surely falling behind with Anki
>had to turn off new cards to grind down the repeats and get back on top of it
>still not on top of it
>still slowing down, used to do my reps first thing in the morning now do them last thing at night
>forgot to do them last night completely
>only bumped it up to 120 cards for today
>still haven't done them
>doubt I will

If it felt like I was learning anything I'd stick at it, but it feels so useless when I still can't read shit after 1k vocab and whenever I do try to read something I'll have no clue until I see the word on its own and suddenly "oh yeah it's ___" so in any actual context I am fucked.

Anki is useless, whoever suggested it to me is a fucking lying twat

>>21528701
It’s the feeling of cute things melting away cynicism. Don’t forget that everyone else is feeling busy, tired, and stressed still so they’ll just think you’re a faggot or worse if you try to give them an unsolicited review about Mitsubishi Colors lol

>>21528790
have u tried reading more

>>21528790
Watch anime

>>21528799
>minimal grammar
>virtually no vocab
>"lol just read"
What the fuck is reading to you spanners? Just glancing over incomprehensible shapes and guessing what they mean based on the fucking manga panels? News flash that isn't reading, it's fucking guessing.

>>21528740
I sometimes used to wake up with an extremely pleasurable tingling running up the back of my skull but I learned later that I had sleep apnea and it was from not breathing.

>>21528790
you're a fucking lying twat

>>21528790
do rtk

>>21528814
have u heard of dictionaries or google

>>21528816
sorry about your sleep apnea, hopefully you got it fixed

>>21528701
It's literally euphoria that you are feeling. Most get that feeling from sex or things like athletes running but getting it from a damn good anime happens too.
I felt it with the last episode of Toradora for the first time long ago and I just sat there crying for ages. Since then I felt it with Kiniro Mosaic and Non Non Biyori, but nothing since. I fear that I have peaked and I will never reach euphoria ever again.

>>21528825
>look at word
>google its meaning
>repeat for every single word
The fact that you honestly believe this is "reading" nevermind teaching you anything is absolutely hilarious.

>>21528814
Watch/read j+e content then like jpod101, no it’s not the best but j+e content necessarily needs to be bland and without nuance.

>>21528837
>j+e content
the fuck is that

>>21528627
if you have the time to do it you could probably do it yeah. but be prepared for up to 1000 reviews daily. if you have the willpower to write out that many kanji daily for a month and recall their stories then by all means do so. just know what you're in for

>>21528829
I did after eating and exercising more.

>>21528796
>It’s the feeling of cute things melting away cynicism.
i suspected this, thanks!
>Don’t forget that everyone else is feeling busy, tired, and stressed still so they’ll just think you’re a faggot or worse
wow you're right. I feel bad for them :/ must suck to be so cold, dried up and unfeeling inside
>Mitsubishi Colors lol
lol that's a good anime very 萌え

>>21528841
I’m not going to dignify that with a response

>>21528834
the fact that u honestly think u can learn to read without reading is the real joke

>>21528845
I'd say you'd need to dedicate at least 5 hours daily for that so I wouldnt bother unless your a neet or have extraordinary willpower and imagination. don't think of this as me trying to discourage you, having 2k kanji done in 20 days is definitely an achievement when some people take years

黙れ　　　　　　Ｘ
うるさい　　　　Ｘ
シャットアップ　○

>>21528834
Quit throwing a fit and download yomichan and read kinos fucking tabby. How badly do you fucking want it?

>>21528790
okay but who are you quoting

>>21528862
knowing kanji>>>>>>>>>>rtk

>>21528866

黙れ　　　　　　Ｘ
うるさい　　　　Ｘ
シャットアップ　Ｘ
シャラップ　　　○

>>21528869
I was "reading" VNs with yomichan but it's fucking pointless, smashing your face against something you don't understand won't suddenly make you understand it.
>>21528858
Nobody learns like this you fucking twat, yet amazingly they manage to learn to read. You'd think it impossible if you believed the twats in this thread, you included.
>>21528877
Myself. Is there a problem with that?

>>21528880
this

私　　　　Ｘ
僕　　　　Ｘ
俺　　　　Ｘ
アイ　　　○
ミー　　　○

Sitting here crying about other people's methods not working for you is definitely not making you understand Japanese But what it IS doing is making me understand that you're retarded lmao.

How do you say twat in Japanese?

Time for a 黙祷. no posts until XX:45

>>21528834
>>21528883
worked for me

黙れ　　　　　　Ｘ
うるさい　　　　Ｘ
シャットアップ　Ｘ
シャラップ　　　Ｘ
ブラップッ ○

>>21528886
あたし（️ ）○

>>21528879
I don't get this meme. how exactly do you define knowing kanji if not their individual readings? 生物学的応答調節物質 if you've done rtk you can recall shit like this easily because you already know what all the individual kanji mean. but I'm not after yet another rtk debate. who cares if he does rtk in 20 days and it turns out to be mostly useless. 20 days is nothing.

>>21528887
Who are you talking to?

Quizmaster is my favourite poster in this thread.

私も

膣　　　Ｘ
まんこ　Ｘ
プシ　　Ｘ
猫　　　○

俺も

why are bongs so bad at languages

>>21528903
Because RTK doesn't teach you Kanji, it teaches you Heisegs retarded keyphrases that often don't align with the actual meaning because he made them up before he even learned Japanese. If you're gonna spend 20 days cramming, it might as well be done actually learning the language.

>>21528914
クンニ　○

僕も

不肖も

finally some rtk discussion

>tfw thinking you’re smart so you’ll be able to bypass all the intuition stuff and can just skip to cramming vocab with flash cards because you can just build sentences after you know enough Japanese words
>tfw thinking RTK is some cool hack/shortcut to kanji and that you can even double the efficiency by cramming it with flashcards too
it’s how everyone starts unless they were lucky enough to have somebody bluntly tell them how it is.

>>21528883
if u are n6 level maybe u shouldnt be makin assumptions on what works and what doesnt
cuz im with this guy >>21528892
here are some tips for u
dont invest minutes on one sentence
theres some shit ur ready for and some shit ur not
dont obsess over every detail just figure out enough to get a surface level understanding of whats goin on
dont obsess over ur ability just enjoy the fuckin media for what it is
after a few months ull see it works

某も

>>21528883
You’re supposed to reread and internalize the sentence, then the paragraph etc after reading. You should probably start with a book about how to read/parse/intuit Japanese first. I forget the name of it but dolly always mentions it and it is good.

余も

>>21528933
idk dude it worked for me. i spent several months trying to just learn kanji as I went and it was such a slow pace I wanted to quit, so i just went fuck it and did rtk in 3 months. after that, the kanji became far clearer in my mind compared to before when they were just these misty abstract unclear things which I had to brute force into my memory.

>>21528933
膣　　　Ｘ
まんこ　Ｘ
プシ　　Ｘ
猫　　　Ｘ
クンニ　Ｘ
カンニ　Ｘ
蟹　　　○

>>21528951
Do you use Anki or do anything like that at all then? Or just read VNs or manga for X hours a day?

yet another victim of rtk brainwashing. sad.

己も

ヴァギナ

拙僧も

this is by far the worst thread in djt history

the proven best user in this thread (quiz) has already said rtk is stupid so idk why people still recommend it

わっぱも

男根

>>21528995
i really don’t give a shit what some djt eceleb uni student thinks of how people should study. the only reason he is the best in the thread at his retarded quiz is because all the people who actually got good at this language quit djt instead of sticking around and being some attentionwhoring massochist.

RTKfags are destined to become losers that "teach" Japanese learning methods online and ask for Patreon money.
Vocabfags are destined to become millionaires.

>>21528995
matt was proven to be better than quiz by beating him on every single quiz and he recommends rtk if you wanna go with that argument :)

>>21528944
>tfw fell for both
I fucking hate myself.

reading fags are destined to become fluent

I don't think anyone should listen to anyone that hasn't been proven to be some kind of 1337 linguist.

>>21528967
I did half of RTK but after it got around the 成 the difficulty really ramped up, so I quit and after a while just went and learned the radicals which was tremendously useful. If I could go back and start again i would learn the radicals, General stroke order rules, and just look up the definition plus compounds that use the word to get the gist of what it meant.

>>21529028
Actual linguistics degree holder here. None of you are destined to become fluent.

>>21528976
i tried using anki in multiple different ways when i wasnt reading enough
always had shit retention and didnt learn much
i took 6 months off of anki and read vns and learned a lot
tryin a little bit of anki on the side again cuz i dont think its useless
u just need to remember anki is supplement
>>21529023
almost everyone here has fucked up multiple times
dont focus on the past focus on the sick eroge ur playin

>>21529039
elaborate

once again rtk works for some people and not for others. though i’m inclined to believe the people who it didn’t work for simply did it wrong.

>>21529039
you don't know japanese

Okay right now I have 240 unseen cards which means I can go 12 days without any Japanese input while still learning some new words.
In those 12 days I will turn everything around and ace this semester. If I give up it's truly all over. At this moment turning everything around is still possible. I will do it. Just watch me. I'll become a super good academic AND learn Japanese.

>>21529060
ご武運を

were going to see qm turn into a dekinai neet in real time

私はゲイ

>>21529049
Actual proficiency in a second language past adolescence is vanishingly rare and that's just a fact. Among biologists it's even more a foregone conclusion. A bird or insect that doesn't learn to fly early rarely learns at all. The severity of the critical period isn't clear, but it does exist.
What is clear is that social pressure is the major driver of language acquisition, and none of you will ever have that, since Japanese isn't socially valued, and even in Japan, brazen English speaking foreigners are preferred to anime loving weebs speaking Japanese.
None of that matters, though, because everyone in this thread is already missing the forest for the trees anyway.

>>21528834
That's literally how I learned to read a fuckton in the past year. How do people still not get that this actually works? Why do they think its some weird lie?

Literally: Go over the sentence, try to make sense of it, look up any word you don't know, try to make sense of it again. If you fail move on and repeat. That is the majority of my Japanese each day and over the months I need to look up less and less and understand more and more. Must be fucking magic at work, right?

>>21529100
I've acquired a rather huge amount of passive vocabulary. I'm not saying huge in comparison to natives but I can read a lot now. I think turning this knowledge into active vocabulary is just a matter of time and effort.

>>21529100
so what exactly are u doing here

>>21528830
>It's literally euphoria that you are feeling. Most get that feeling from sex or things like athletes running but getting it from a damn good anime happens too.
wow this makes a lot of sense that's what i think it is too, i've felt similarly during really good sex and runners high
>I felt it with the last episode of Toradora for the first time long ago and I just sat there crying for ages.
that has happened to me too! it feels great
>Since then I felt it with Kiniro Mosaic and Non Non Biyori, but nothing since. I fear that I have peaked and I will never reach euphoria ever again.
aw man don't think like that bro. you surely can feel it again, maybe it has to do with stress in your life or heavy feelings that are blocking it temporarily

>>21529116
And you never used a text hooker?

>>21529116
so you never anki anything?

Don't force rtk dude. I wanted to do 30 a day and got to 600ish and then all went to shit cause I couldn't keep up. Gets too complex. I recomend going 15 a day and have a review day and also a rest day for christ sake.

But to be honest, I stopped Heisig method a long time ago.... and I have no kanji method right now. Helpless dekinai... someone said kanji damage could help me because I'm not begginer nor advanced but I'm not sure.


Rtk broke me guys

>>21529050
what do you consider "working" though? why not just learn one word that contains each kanji, and perhaps write it out each time you review, instead of doing rtk? i don't at all see why RTK would be better than just learning a word for each kanji

>>21529118
You may become proficient, but fluency includes pragmatic knowledge, not just bare comprehension. You will probably never become fluent in that aspect. Keep trying though, because it's fun.

>>21529119
I'm interested in the fringe of people that do things like try to learn languages extremely different from their own and the culture that forms around them.

>>21529046
>almost everyone here has fucked up multiple times
>dont focus on the past focus on the sick eroge ur playin
what an encouraging and loving comment

>>21529060
I'll see you back here tomorrow Quiz-chan.

>>21529128
>>21529130
lol

tfw you will never understand 仕上げ

>>21529149
whats hard to understand about that lol
it just means できあがり

>>21529128
I don't read VNs they bore me to death. I read light novels and eat manga, play games or watch anime. Of course I have a hover dictionary like anyone with a working brain and use that to look up things faster.

>>21529130
I am using Anki as a strict supplement and only add 10 words a day. I learn some words through Anki and some just through reading. I also don't put everything into Anki. I don't even have a strict rule for what goes it and what doesnt. It's all on a whim. If I feel it should go in, it goes in. That's my only criterion.

My daily Anki never takes longer than 15 minutes to finish.

>>21528960
was it making sense of japanese? because that, alice in kanji land and unlocking japanese (both written by her) are all she ever seems to mention and i doubt it’s the latter two

my only criterion for putting words into anki is to put random words that have no relation to each other into it until its just 1 giant pot of shit cuz thats how acquire language lol

>>21529100
>Japanese isn't socially valued, and even in Japan, brazen English speaking foreigners are preferred to anime loving weebs speaking Japanese.
This is true but also a false dichotomy. find a hobby that is incidentally related to something Japanese are proud of like robotics or history, or ashamed of like kawaii or otaku culture.

>>21529193
Good on you. Avoiding putting similar words together does show results.

i think i will continue doing anime cards but 10 new card cap each day
that's not very time consuming
its only time consuming when i add 30 or more a day

>>21529199
I'm being facetious with the weebs example, of course. But there will never be social or structural pressure on you to speak Japanese the same way there is social pressure all across the world the speak English, and this will severely harm your prospects. Finding a hobby to use it in is a good idea, though! Mild social pressure will still measurably help.

>>21529136
i consider working writing down the kanji from memory, and then recalling the story. not some lazy as story like four fingered tree (primitives tree finger and four) but one which takes time to come up with because those stick better. make it as dramatic and dirty as possible, it doesn’t matter, just put actual thought into them

anki honestly isnt bad, whether you do anime cards or regular cards, as long as you keep the new cards low so it doesnt get overwhelming

what if i'm just a good looking white dude so nips will like me regardless if i'm a weeb

so 50 sentence cards a day is a bad thing

>>21529219
but heres what i dont get
why would you need nneomics and stuff in the first place if you can just recognize the kanji in a word, and you write it everytime you recall the meaning of that word

at that point theres no way you're going to forget, especially since you will only ever actually see the word in context anyway. if you need a hint you'll know from what's happening which kanji it is.

looking good is only half the part the other half is exuding the right kind of aura

think like goku

i'm such a low status autistic loser to white americans but japanese chicks...oh boy....

>>21529220
anki is just always retarded cuz u get in the mindset of making cards out of everything instead of just learning japanese lol

>>21529217
To clarify what I mean: you can put a baby in front of a TV screen all day for however long you want playing nothing but foreign language media, and that baby will still never pick up that language. Why? Because there's zero social incentive for them to do so. The same is true for you and me, though of course more complex given our more complex social lives.

>>21529224
They will like you exactly because you're white, and your value comes from that whiteness. English is associated with that whiteness in Japan. They may like you, but you will especially not be incentivized to speak Japanese then.

>>21529236
its bad to the extent that it makes it likely for you to hate anki and want to quit
i've done big loads like that before and i usually stick it out a week or two before i call it quits and abandon anki for a long time lol
so its better imo to do small amounts every day that feel very doable so you never want to flip the anki table and walk away

>>21529136
He’s ignoring the fact that for many people RTK is a common trap and is just saying contrarian platitudes to trap more people. If the discussion was that it’s pointless to practice writing kanji with your non-dominant hand every day, he’d argue that if somebody enjoys doing it then it’s better than doing nothing so we shouldn’t just tell people not to do it.

>>21529244
East Asian girls are generally clingy and repressed. Watch out.

>>21529238
you would be surprised by how easy it is to just learn the kanji by muscle memory and the english keyword. so when it does show up in immersion, you might remember how to write it, but have no idea what it means since there’s no english keyword to prompt you. hence the story

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1mtL4csPrid

How'd I do

黙々
this word is ranked 51491 (higher is rarer) in the vnbank frequency list but it's not actually that rare right? quiz has a passive vocab of like 20k-30k right but he probably knows this?

is this discrepancy caused by the fact that a lot of words that would be ranked more frequent are compounds and advanced learners wouldn't bother mining a lot of those compounds? so their 20k-30k mined words would consist of a lot of non-compounds which would be typically ranked like 50k+?

>>21529191
Yeah it must have been that, Although I must be thinking of another one too because I thought it had “intermediate” in the title. Intermediate guide to Japanese grammar or something.

>>21529245
if you're only making 10 cards a day there's no way you're "making cards out of everything"
encountering 100+ new words a day but only making cards for 10 means you've already learned the self control and wisdom to skip things you can learn later whether its via anki or just repeated exposure in the wild
its the best of both worlds because you can rest assured you're getting 10 every day that are guaranteed but also giving your brain the chance to absorb whatever else it can

>>21529246
> you can put a baby in front of a TV screen all day for however long you want playing nothing but foreign language media, and that baby will still never pick up that language.
either you're larping as a linguistics major or this just further proves my notion that linguistics is a fucking joke of a field

>>21529246
>They may like you, but you will especially not be incentivized to speak Japanese then.
this is really stupid... of course they will want to communicate with you and if you know japanese it will make that possible. did you drop your brain somewhere

>>21529256
>East Asian girls are generally clingy and repressed
yes and the sounds they make during sex are very annoying and upsetting

>>21529263
dont eVer post again

>>21529271
seems counterproductive to what ur doing

oh i was reading some shit time to cram 10 meaningless things to me but i wanna learn japanese so i guess looking at random words is the way haha

>>21529257
>since there’s no english keyword
you dont need an english keyword to understand a word though?? you just need a sentence with meaningful context and a definition that applies in that context and the word's meaning will stick with you
this is how the process of learning words is in japanese anyway regardless of doing RTK or not

>>21529275
>I'm a STEM drone and I don't understand how thought experiments work

>>21529278
You will have the availability to communicate. You will not have people scorning you for not speaking Japanese, nor will you have anyone expecting you to speak Japanese already.

>>21529246
>and that baby will still never pick up that language.
My youngest brother knew exactly when and how to use "Oh no" even though he hasn't learned a word of English from anywhere else expect TV.

i dont believe in myself enough to just enjoy japanese things without also spending time on retarded things like flashcards and just cannot have faith i will acquire japanese naturally

I never knew the amount of my testosterone could be paramount to me being able to learn japanese

>>21529217
I fucked up my post because I’m tired. I meant to say that if somebody got some semi useful hobby, not telling you to get a hobby. and NOT something they are ashamed of like kawaii/otaku culture.

But yeah you’re totally right the fact that there’s no social pressure and actually NEGATIVE pressure to learn Japanese is a pain. Like people will by default respect you more for not knowing Japanese, even in the hobby scenario that requires them to know that as well/in advance.

>>21529131
Anki, core 2k/6k deck. Use Tae Kim's guide to start understanding basic grammar. Move on to reading once you're ready

>>21529291
>You will not have people scorning you for not speaking Japanese
so what? "people won't scorn me if i don't" is not a reason to NOT learn the language lol wtf
>nor will you have anyone expecting you to speak Japanese already.
again who cares? if your goals are only determined by peoples expectations then you're a sad human being and also surpassing peoples expectations is fun and its nice to surprise people with ability they didn't expect from you... lol your brains broken

will people respect you more for not knowing japanese or will they just treat you nicer because they think of you as an ignorant gaijin. there is a difference

>>21529289
>>21529289
yeah, you can do that, sure. if you can learn the kanji as you go then by all means do so. if it works for you. but if you could do it all in 3 months or less then why wouldnt you? why would you spend time doing them one by one while you immerse when you can just frontload them and get it out of the way? i tried learning them one by one but it didnt work for me

ahh shit

If ゲイ is a noun/na adjective: 私はゲイじゃない
If ゲイ is an i adjective: 私はゲくない
If ゲイis a masu stem of a godan verb: 私はゲわない
If ゲイis a masu stem of an ichidan verb: 私はゲイない

>>21529292
>My youngest brother knew exactly when and how to use "Oh no" even though he hasn't learned a word of English from anywhere else expect TV.
when you're small and can use "Oh no", that just means that you're "大脳"

>>21529292
Isolated phrases do not a language make. I'm glad that you brought up "oh no," actually, because fully formed fixed phrases can and will be picked up from everywhere. This is one way that pidgins are formed. It's a very long way from there, however, to pragmatic knowledge, which is the necessary and sufficient condition for really knowing a language.

>>21529296
you can acquire it naturally, it will just take a shitload of more time without any supplementation whatsoever.
the supplementation doesn't have to be a shit ton, just enough to get a steady flow of guaranteed information entering and staying in your brain
outside of that ~10 to 20 minute per day investment you can just enjoy japanese things
its really not a big deal to do small supplementation people just get into all or nothing mentality (1000 new vocab cards per month or else!) and that's what burns them out and fucks them up

>>21529310
basically the better you are the more they will like you to a point. once your native level they will think of you as a failed human, as you are not japanese, but also not really white person either. the best is to make sure to be really good but still have an accent so people will instantly know your from somewhere. their is nothing more cucked than a white person raised in japan.

>>21529302
>Like people will by default respect you more for not knowing Japanese
no they fucking won't what are you talking about dude lmao

>>21527695
https://streamable.com/7uhm1

jamal do you want to go thru the video?

anyway i’m going to sleep now i’ll talk about rtk in the morning

>>21529302
Maybe this will change as Japan adapts to increased tourism: but by the time it does we in this thread will all be well past the point where it's comfortable to even attempt to learn a second language.

>>21529307
I think you must be the one with the broken brain if you can't distinguish between conscious motivations and environmental pressures. Anyone else here who speaks English as a second language, like I do, should get it. Being in a real social situation where people expect nothing less than perfect just as a matter of fact, as all native English speakers do, makes a world of difference from being treated like a white god for saying a single word, as is the case with most Asian languages.

>>21529364
damn matt is looking handsome as fuck. DM me the vid if you won't post it here i love hearing from him.

>>21529367
please dont

Friendly reminder that if it takes you longer than 7 seconds per vocab/sentence rep you're either hopeless or your cards are way too difficult.

>>21529329
this is where ur wrong cuz flashtards /= acquisition

its still gonna take u the same amount of time to gain proficiency in japanese whether u flashtard or not lol

>>21529379
i set anki to automatically reveal the answer after 5 seconds. there's some frustration with that because sometimes it'd take me 6 or 7 seconds to think of the right answer, but it only takes 5-10 minutes to get through all my reps so the tradeoff is worth it for me.

>>21529364
i dont give a fuck dude yall can do that and bring me the timestamps like u usually do or dont and have the thread be only a slight bit better for it

>>21529380
>flashtards /= acquisition
if the flashcards are made from your input and include that context then yes it is lol "acquisition" happens when you comprehend input
SRS is literally just conveniently timed repetition of that input so you don't forget what you learned

>>21529406
its ok to forget things they will come back and if u have gained proficiency in the language u will assimilate them immediately and easily

>>21529379
dont use anki but got pic from this sitehttps://www.sokunousokudoku.net/hakarukun/

>>21527695
>>21529364
Can you post the video? I'm really interested in seeing him talk about the research behind early reading and the piracy segment

>>21529310
They respect you more because they white worship, why would you spend years of your life learning to trade penny stocks when you were already a successful hedge fund manager? Why would you learn Japanese when you already know English?

>>21527592
Is there an optimal way to read? Like making an anki card out of every new word I come across? Or am I overthinking this and I should just read, look up the words & grammar I don't understand, and that's all it takes to improve over time?

>>21529434
cuz japan is the land of the living sex dolls

>>21529434
because their otaku media is fucking sick dark awesome???

>>21529412
>its ok to forget things they will come back
most people would rather nail down at least a few things every day than have everything be in a nebulous cloud of "maybe i'll remember it one day"
>if u have gained proficiency in the language u will assimilate them immediately and easily
yes but that proficiency is going to be sped up by what you've already successfully nailed down, which is sped up by SRS

>>21529420
that one was on elementary school first year level. this one was chuuni level.

>>21529420
if you don't prove your comprehension it literally means nothing lol
anyone can skim the whole thing and press done

>>21529438
If you plan to use anki absolutely use a frequency list. Only add words that are high up in the frequency list. You can find some based on novels, netflix, webnovels, etc. You can also make your own based on specific shows or books you want to watch/read with cb's Japanese text analysis tool

>>21529443
its a nebulous cloud if ur trying to remember nihongo instead of acquiring it

2nd thing is actually just a fallacy not rooted in any facts and i dare u to try to explain how that works wrt language acquisition logically so i can watch it all fall apart at ur own hands

>>21529450
the second one was about a girl talking to her father about someone outside.

>>21528790
Bros, I'm only using Anki to study, and I've been studying with it less and less over time, why aren't I learning?! You fucking lied when you said Anki was helpful on the side! Wait, on the side?

>>21529450
but i will admit if i was reading irl i would def read slower

Anyone else think 興 looks like a stereo set sitting on a table?

This one was a bitch the first time I came across it. Couldn't for the life of me figure out the radical. I kinda like it now since it looks so cool.

/blog

>>21529454
>its a nebulous cloud if ur trying to remember nihongo instead of acquiring it
no it's not. that has nothing to do with it.
your brain literally makes stronger neural networks based on what it sees more frequently. if you see something once, and don't see it again for months because you never reviewed it or happened to encounter it soon enough, your brain will likely just delete that connection, or keep it in an extremely vague recess of your mind which won't allow you to recall it the next time you do see it

the only exceptions are if the word was encountered in a VERY memorable context that made it stick out significantly more than others, or if it's already very similar to some words you already know. for words that don't fit into those two categories though, SRS is clearly going to create stronger networks.

>>21529480
its unique itll stick pretty easy

>>21529487
dang this turned out uglier than i expected namaste bro i got nothin else for u

>>21529480
興味 is such a common word. you would have to actively try to not memorize it dude. i think you wont make it.

>>21529420
I can only read at 159文字/分, despite the fact that I've been reading on a daily basis for about 4 months now.

>>21528790
this post is dumb. the first mistake you made was "not touching anything but anki" of course that shit isn't going to work. get your fuckin input in.

>>21529508
that's good stupid, stop having unrealistic expectations.

>>21529508
i've been reading daily for twice as long and my reading speed is probably a quarter of that.

>>21529508
well i have been reading for a year now, and studying nip for almost 2, also 6th graders are only expected to read at 110 wpm in english so dont feel bad desu

>>21528790
what a surprise u didnt listen to me and instead did what they told u and look what happened another sad fuck trolled by the endless gatekeeping machine that is the daily japanese thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8de2W3rtZsA

>>21529539
im prolly the biggest elitist who freqs this thread. but i always tell people to never use anki. all the mediocre m**tpilled fags req anki dude

>>21529100
>learning to mimic speech acts and make connections between symbols and meanings is equivalent to bugs and birds learning to fly
Is everyone in your field this fucking dumb lmao

>>21529565
keep fightin the good fight sir

>>21529565
>im prolly the biggest elitist who freqs this thread
no that's quizlet

>>21529100
>brazen English speaking foreigners are preferred to anime loving weebs speaking Japanese
good thing my only hobby other than jap is literature, as it encourages japanese learning in a chad manor

~u cant be elitist when ur not 31337~

>>21529590
he is just a passing fad who showed up like a couple months ago, i have been here for years.

>>21529605
yea but no one remembers who you are whereas he is infamously elitist

>>21529606
that is just cuz i have like 4 diff personas and never trippost.

quizler is just our mascot dude

>>21529616
no way no one has ever posted stuff as elitist as him dude

>>21529616
delete this post its breakin my heart i wanna believe ur cool and not gay

>>21528171
Yeah a lot of people here, mainly autists, don't realize that everyone has a different learning style.

Typical DJT Autist:

>I am the only conscious person, I don't have a theory of mind. Only my opinion matters on how to learn Japanese.

or

>My impressionable mind has been memed so hard by anonymous internet people that all of my opinions are just things I saw on DJT

>>21529630
Would you mind offering some examples of different learning styles?

>>21529624
im def not cool, but if it makes you feel better i only come here like 2 times a month

also david to moshimass

every1 acquires language the same way

period end of story if u disagree u are wrong objectively and i dare u to try to explain how u are not

>>21529667
got dangit davido

>>21529667
at least u picked the right flavor

>>21529501
It was in the context of 興奮 in a doujin, so I couldn't just copy the text to look it up. After that, I memorized it right away and haven't had any issues since.

Nice projection though, boku no tomodachi.

Don't listen to the people trying to meme you into dropping anki

>>21529684
2 sides of the same shit coin

>>21529690
why cuz ur life is pointless if u cant gatekeep people from learning japanese ? ha fat chance the era of flashtards ends now

>>21529691
nah dawg red ones takin dio dick while blue one has best voice actress

I'll read this before the bd release. This will be my first novel (for real)

>>21529703
notice how they got the little bit of footie in there

truly sick those japanese are

>>21529691
u like ice cream or u dont but stay out of flavor conversations if u dont
>>21529708
feet be really catchin on its a sad time to live in

>>21529569
Instincts not used will decay.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child)

>>21529683
Correct! And the effectiveness of this single instinct is affected by a host of processes, age significant among them.

>>21529703
cute footsies

>>21529703
i am so glad i quit reading light novels. got out only reading 22 of them.

Anki + immersion is better than immersion alone. This is a fact.

>>21529755
why? did you really hate them

>>21529758
then why am i better than you at japanese and everything else for that matter?

>>21529744
Yeah adults cant learn to ride bikes or swim either lmfao

>>21529012
Just imagine how our ancestors would lament if they saw how quiz conducted himself towards beginners.

>>21529761
no i liked them, but i feel i have experienced all they have to offer having read 22 volumes from 8 diff series. also it feels like a chore reading them at this point as they are not compelling at all.

>>21529763
beat QM at the quiz then

>>21529708
they are really some kind of superior people

>>21529800
only if it includes a college transcript, picture, and a 10 page paper on favorite work of literature. as i said i was better in every way.

>>21529815
pussy lol

mina pushy jan

誰も彼も

あたしも

>>21529758
>Anki + immersion is better than immersion alone. This is a fact.
exactly. why won't they just admit it. it's so obvious that reviewing at optimal intervals will create stronger memories of the information. the only point they have is "anki is less fun than just immersing all the time" and that's not an argument for effectiveness.

わっしも

>>21529871
its true if u dont overdose

>>21529873
>its true if u dont overdose
i agree with that. but then why discourage people from using anki altogether rather than encouraging responsible and skillful use of it?

拙者も

Is this dip what happens when you sleep over 12 hours?

>>21529858
>pushy
Isn't there a really common word in Japanese that's an equivalent to this, but not quite a literal translation? I'm pretty sure I've heard it more than once.

>>21529913
しつこい
強引
Off of the top of my head.

>見つめ合ってしてもらうフェラチオ
Literally 99% of the time she doesn't look at the camera. lol japanese porn is whack

>>21529913
i meant プッシー

>>21529922
>しつこい
That's it. I knew it was quite familiar, but I couldn't remember it.

the absolute best sex position in エロ漫画 is 種付けプレス

>>21529962
this
and prone bone

>>21529962
What about 逆種付けプレス

where the FUCK is my torrent for 夢現Re:Master

>>21528750
Naruto

>>21528976
>Or just read VNs or manga for X hours a day?
Of course he doesn't. Manga isn't reading.

Here's John Lennon's son saying 巨乳好き.
https://youtu.be/T6EVv3JOSio

>>21528413
None because manga isn't reading.

>>21530067
>暴飲暴食
another word I do not need to mine because the meaning is obvious like quiz's narcissism

>>21529962
Mating press? What is that, missionary?

>>21530163
welcome to the internet, anon
how is your first day going?

>>21524768
>>21524803

there's a djt discord? that sounds, really, really, really fucking gay

>>21530193
What?

>>21530200
can u even imagine someone joining it how embarrassing

>>21530200
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/#chat

して instead of しか
damn the better I get the worse the japanese people get

Something for all the "atashis" and shit of DJT to ponder about.

>>21530211
but you're on a djt message board right now? how is that any less embarassing than a discord lol are you okay

i use watakushi

>>21529999
それもいい！

Is there a reason the links for 魔女の旅々 here don't work?

https://itazuranekoyomi.neocities.org/library/shousetu/series/sakuhin005395.html

The novel game section lacks 俺たちに翼はないR. The original game is marked as an All age game, while it really isn't.

>>21530615
imagine if every poster in djt had a tripcode
do u see a problem forming

>>21530617
Hello Steve.