/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>21413644
Akyuu smelly socks

>>21413667
They ain't smelly.

>>21413644
There is things I never knew about this picture until now

Because?

why's there a bow on the phonograph?

>>21414176
because it's a tsukumogami

>>21413750
Akyuu's stinky foul smelling socks! Can you imagine she never washed them!

name 3 original things ZUN did
you cant

>>21414405
No, i can't imagine.

>>21414409
Creating a wildly popular franchise without A SINGLE original idea!

>>21413667
>>21414405
She's rich, she doesn't washes her socks, she buys new ones.

>>21414405
every time she reincarnates, her feets smells worse!

Wasn't there also an image of PC-98 Marisa that was basically just traced from some other game?

>>21413644
What's that manga called anyway?

>>21414938
yes PoDD Marisa spell card image is based on an Eroge game.
PC-98 in general was not so original, it has a lot of references from Izumi Takemoto manga

It's like people forget before Touhou dominated, the majority of fanworks was just "lets make a game about x existing series"

>>21415177
People don't seem to understand the concept of doujin anymore. It's like "dude, X is famous, must be absolutely amazing and perfect!" and then notice that stuff is inspired/taken from other works and they go "WHAT A HACK LOL I CAN'T BELIEVE PEOPLE LIKE THIS UNORIGINAL SHIT! WHAT A BUNCH OF SHEEPS YOU ARE" without considering that doujin culture is actually more about having fun and creating a nice community than respecting non-existent copyright laws to make yourself look good.

>>21415228
>and then notice that stuff is inspired/taken from other works and they go "WHAT A HACK LOL I CAN'T BELIEVE PEOPLE LIKE THIS UNORIGINAL SHIT! WHAT A BUNCH OF SHEEPS YOU ARE"
Stop hanging out with /v/.

>>21415442
The problem is that this is the kind of stuff that I see on /jp/ too. Every now and then, you see crossboarders coming from outside, like the recent case of the guy that took hold of the music thread to complain about doujin music being uninspired shit that merely copy what someone else did and it's not worth listening to.

>>21414938
and 東方怪奇談 is a straight cover of rydeen

>>21415820
Never noticed before, but isn't it just the chorus?

>>21415842
point. seems the first ten seconds are original and 0:38-0:43 are an adaptation, so it's about 80% straight cover.

>>21416003
Just want to say, I'm thrilled that you can take a point. It makes the conversation more informative to have the claims backed up.

>>21415820
I've never noticed that before.
It's a great cover. ZUN really makes the melody his own.

The pocky and rocky ripoff artist strikes again. This is disgraceful

>>21414965
>PC-98 in general was not so original
When people ask "Why doesn't ZUN bring back PC-98 characters" this is actually probably why. Its very likely he doesn't look back too fondly on those games because alot of the work wasn't exactly his own.

>>21417101
He should still bring back Rika

>>21417101
>this is actually probably why
Nah, it's typical of doujin games, which Touhou is, and furthermore the idea that he's all original since EoSD is a meme and a lie.

>>21417184
Also the real reason is the reason he doesn't typically bring back other characters. He likes making new ones instead of reusing old ones.

>>21417184
I know its pretty normal in the doujin community, I was just thinking of it more from the perspective of how ZUN personally feels about it now. Post PC-98 still had some stuff that wasn't original but it was far less frequent and blatant.

>>21417192
That's not exactly true though, because we still see plenty of older Windows era characters in newer works. The main thing to consider here is that even characters we don't see much of at least get acknowledged by ZUN, where as with PC-98 characters most of them might as well not have even existed. Its like how when Strange Creators started all of the stuff looking back at previous works began with EoSD, kinda like pretending PC-98 never happened.

>>21417245
>we still see plenty of older Windows era characters in newer works
No just EoSD characters and occasionally religious game characters. Even Yukari isn't really as relevant anymore.

Akyuu smelly feets

>>21418879
>No just EoSD characters
Pretty much only Cirno, Sakuya, and Remilia? Cirno is mostly an outlier as well.

>Even Yukari isn't really as relevant anymore.
Yukari doesn't show up as much because now he has other characters he can rely on to take on a bunch of the roles he would default to Yukari for, leaving her for stuff she actually fits.

>>21414433
ZUN even ripped off George Lucas??

>>21418879
Pretty much every character from MoF onward made an appearance in GoU, as well as some characters from games before that. Cirno and Sakuya are playables, SDM in general still gets references now and then, Youmu is a playable, Yukari literally just played a major roll in a recent game and was a judge in GoU, Reisen is a playable, Eientei in general comes up alot, Komachi has been around frequently in WaHH, Eiki is referenced as recently as the WBaWC demo, Tenshi is pretty important in WaHH now, Sanae is still pretty important, Moriya Shrine in general comes up alot, Aya is a playable with her own games, Nitori appeared as recently as GoU, you see where im going with this right? And those are just notable ones that I just thought of on the spot. When you take printworks like AFiEU or GoU and game like ISC, VD, or AoCF in consideration you can see how older characters are still referenced and used to this day. Some play bigger roles, some play smaller rolls, and some barely come up but are still acknowledged. The point I was making is that older Windows characters are in fact still referenced plenty where as PC-98 literally goes ignored, as if ZUN doesn't want to remember that those game exist. Also its worth pointing out that anyone saying he uses his newer characters more is super wrong. Just in HSiFS alone Nemuno, Narumi, Mai and Satano have gotten fuck all in term of development and the development that Eternity, Aunn and Okina got was pretty minimal.

>>21414965
whoah, that's pretty damning.

>>21417245
>I was just thinking of it more from the perspective of how ZUN personally feels about it now
No, you're thinking of it from the perspective of a Mima fan looking for an excuse why ZUN doesn't use her.

>>21420795
Dude I don't give a fuck about Mima.

momiji gif

ZUN openly says his work is a doujin work, even the music, I don't see why you guys are being so dramatic.

ZUN CAN'T KEEP FUCKING GETTING AWAY WITH THIS!

>>21423158
>>21414965
ZUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNN!!!!!!

>>21422993
It's just a couple of shitposters larking about.

>>21423158
I see YMO I get interested. Where's the second pic from?

>>21422993
30% of these reactions are people who have mud for brains and take it seriously while 70% of it is ironic shitposting about the people who take it seriously

>>21422882
Why does this look like it's drawn by a dirty gaijin?

Like, I can't even tell you why, it's got that bluescreen that you see on niconico, and it's even high-quality, but none of that can be excused for even LOOKING like a Westerner made it.

It's unnerving.

>>21419485
Yeah, I'm not sure where people get the idea that only EoSD characters get a lot of play.

>>21423158
I still say that ones a stretch

>>21425371
>whatafuckman.png
at first I thought this was a shitpost
but he's fucking right. the animation itself kinda gives me western vibes? it feels like family guy or some mainstream style like that. esp the face.

>>21415820
There are a couple of bars from Cirno's theme that I always though sounded like Tong Poo, and I'm not the only one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl7P1ytFkVY

https://youtu.be/J4VZw4gRJVQ

>>21425831
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlvNen9oMfM

>>21425671
I don't here Cirno's theme, to me parts of the song instead sound almost exactly like Eirin's theme.

>>21425831
What's ZUN song is this supposed to sound like? The only thing I hear is the forest maze theme from Super Mario RPG, but I doubt that's why you posted this.

>>21425920
From 1:02 for a few seconds.

>>21425920
1:01
Shanghai Alice of Meiji 17

>>21425831
>plagiarizing a song by a super popular boy band
You gotta admit ZUN! has balls.

ZUN Hackery Thread?
Angel's Legend/Cute Devil ~ Innocence (For Angel's Legend speed video by 1.5x at 0:07 and for Cute Devil ~ Innocence slow down to video by 0.5x at 0:33)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8KA0sc80KM
Himorogi, Burn in Violet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMd6V1IOJ5k
Complete Darkness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBz3Ua2E0YU
Sailor of Time/Does the Forbidden Door Lead to this World or the World Beyond?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2W2LAFlkOE
Strawberry Crisis!!/The Lost Emotion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=argIRM8e7DU
Vessel of Star ~ Casket of Stars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24XjHo93Q9Y
Maple Wise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsIXvHteoK0
The Last Judgement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blcPx1DQJno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTPEYCw5uuM
End of the World ~ World's End + Legendary Illusion ~ Infinite Being
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhqhrrGn6X8
Lunar Clock ~ Luna Dial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSetwR-d3tY
Septette for a Dead Princess
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifj8dwuAzAQ
Last Remote/No More Going Through Doors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDS4EMmETsE

All of this is excusable once you realize that ZUN makes the song better 99% of the time. Also Touhou is a DOUJIN series.

>>21426028
>>21415228
>>21415488
>>21417184
>doujin excuse
If Phil Fish or any other western indie dev was lifting melodies from Touhou games, changing them and claiming to have composed them himself you queers would be singing a very different tune.

>>21426093
That is strawman you western dog.

Nobody has a raison against Cuck Fish until he declares all japanese games suck and make an ass of himself.

>>21426093
You have to go back.

>>21426093
There's no doujin culture in the west, so it would just be using it to make a profit, however there is plenty of music in the world that takes from other music, even big name songs.

>>21426028
In the PC-98 days when ZUN was a lot more liberal with cross-media references, it's clear he did reuse melodies from certain games he liked. But from EoSD onward when he decided to make Touhou a more personal endeavor and because of that, I don't think he intentionally plucks obscure video game music to place in his compositions. I find it's more likely that he on occasion subconsciously channels songs he's heard before. Unless they're clear references off the bat like Remilia's theme.

>>21426028
I don't really care about the originality, I just like seeing what ZUN's been interested in and influenced by

>>21426428
I think a lot of those are a huge stretch. But in any case, there's only so much originality human beings can pump out before stuff starts to look/sound like already existing stuff.

>>21425459
>>21426443
Get out of this thread and go back to your Discord channel kudasai

Is this really worth sperging out? Do you fags know how many video games and other media are influenced in one way or another by other stuff?

>>21426443
The only one that's a stretch is the last one. The rest are pretty likely given ZUN's track record. You're either deaf or in denial.

>>21426475
>Do you fags know how many video games and other media are influenced in one way or another by other stuff?
it's almost like that's what this entire thread is about. you should try participating instead of submitting a one-off post

>>21426472
Why? Because both of those messages doubt that ZUN has effectively copied those tracks. I mean, listen to the Complete Darkness one, it's actually incredible that you guys managed to actually find something similar to that one song. The Tomboyish Daughter/Pokemon Hall of Fame is a much better example.

>>21426475
not a single soul in this thread has sperged out besides >>21426093 and (you) though

>>21426489
Looking at that Complete Darkness one, it's from Life Force. That's one of the most famous SHMUPS ever, period. Of course, ZUN being a fan of the genre, would be aware of it.

>>21426489
No because if you actually pay attention to what's being posted then you can clearly see it. That Aya comparsion is really damning. The clothes. The crow. There's a camera there too. And the sign above her says "tengu".

>i-its just pc98
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaEoLsrbHMs

>>21426582
Who are you quoting? But yes you're right. It's not just PC-98.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqfoG3gz2q8

>>21426523
>>21426591
That does it, ZUN is over. This is like when I found out the Super Mario theme was also plagiarized from a 70s song.

>>21425371
>>21425606
Because it is drawn by a gaijin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGLaIXlRREA

>>21426582
What am I supposed to be listening for here??
>>21426591
This one is pretty blatant

>>21426093
>changing them and claiming to have composed them himself

ZUN says his music is doujin music, actually his entire work is, and in fact said once he doesn't see anything wrong with people doing the same with his stuff since he's guilty of that himself.

>>21426635
>This one is pretty blatant
Turns out the "musical genius" was just a facade. It's time for ZUN to hang up the hawaiian-patterned newsboy hat and retire in shame.

>>21426670
He made it sound way better and catchier though

Strawberry Crisis!!/Nuclear Fusion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYewll8nVqk
Bad Apple!!/Mist Lake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E24gjYdwQg0

And just when you thought it couldn't get worse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r_826wNorw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBde0Kz-Bcc
ZUN steals an obscure PC-98 developer's entire composition right down to the title. I'm frankly baffled.

>>21426704
Why are you so mad though?

>>21426704
(you)

>>21414965
ain't that's a sailor moon pose?

>>21426691
HOW WILL ZUN EVER RECOVER
His days are numbered before people learn about how much of a sham and hack he is. Surely Touhou will die before the end of the year!

>>21426711
>>21426714
These threads are always the same thing. It's pointless /v/-tier outrage. It shouldn't really blow anyone's mind that 20 or so of the hundreds and hundreds of tracks one guy has composed aren't entirely original creations. Take your "umad trololol" shit somewhere else.

>>21426741
why are you falseflagging so hard in this thread?

>>21426746
Because I'm trying to blend in with the outrage of people here exposing ZUN for the hack that he is. Gotta get down to their level, you see.

>>21426741
>>21426744
So hide the thread and go about your business instead of shitposting here.
>>21426746
Ignore the one angry autist.

>>21426748
You can't just lob around stupid shit and expect it to go unchallenged. Go to discord or something if you want to create a circlejerk of no dissenting opinions.

>>21426777
Shitposting is not challenging any "opinion". It's just trolling. And you admit to that while making yourself out to be the greater good? Get out of here, idiot.

>>21426741
ZUN must apologize! And even then his legacy is forever stained with plagiarism now.

Why do people assume anyone's trying to expose ZUN for something? I personally think it's a neat little trivia, nothing really harmless. Unless you're the kind of guy who puts ZUN on a pedestal so high a little wind topple it down, but in that case you're already a nutjob.

Besides, I doubt the Japanese doesn't know of this already and then some, and you'd think they would be the one to care about this the most.

>>21426802
First the Nanking massacre and now the copyright massacre! Where will the Japanese stop?!

>>21426792
What do you classify as a shitpost? From the beginning I was simply stating that this "outrage" was unwarranted and pointless. Then instead of rebutting my point you tell me to get out. What kind of discussion do you want here?

>>21426804
Most of these examples come from Japanese forums, but one autist here insists on sperging out and falseflagging by pretending that ZUN did the worst thing ever.
>>21426823
You literally manufactured the outrage by yourself, asshole. There is no discussion to be had here. This was just an interesting thread to share what ZUN's possible inspirations were yet you come here to shitpost it to death, getting offended for no reason whatsoever.

>>21426823
Are you literally retarded? The largest post in this thread >>21426028 has no outrage at all. In fact they literally say that it's excusable. Touhou is a doujin series. Where is the outrage on that post? No where. The only one sperging out is you.

>>21426862
>The only one sperging out is you.
I'm not this guy >>21426093 nor am I the guy typing different variants of "ZUN is finished". I was only attempting to rationalize why ZUN's music may sound similar to other tracks and that it's dumb to get worked up over the way some others are.

>>21426912
>it's dumb to get worked up over *it the way some others are.
I'm getting tired.

>>21426912
>>21426917
Well as you can see in >>21426746 and >>21426747 the person typing variants of "ZUN is finished" is an admitted falseflagger. Stop punishing this thread for one retard. The vast majority of us just have a genuine interest in the things ZUN may have been inspired by.

>>21426957
To be honest, it's hard to understand where you guys are being honest and where you are being sarcastic when you see in the same thread stuff like >>21414409, >>21426093

I know this thread is in jest, but this is also the reason why Japan can have such a thriving doujin scene.

>>21426804
I'm only slightly miffed that Akyuu's design is a nicked one. I really love her design, but as it's stolen I doubt we'll get any real official merch of her. Like, she's been around forever: ZERO official figures.

>>21426523
Except ultimately it's just a dark haired girl in a skirt and shirt, and that's not exactly the most original design.

That's why I call it a stretch. All that other shit is absolutely coincidental too.

>>21428061
It would be a stretch IF it wasn't for all that other "absolutely coincidental" shit.

>>21428077
not really

What I'm saying is nothing about that is definite proof. It's not that I think he wouldn't, I just have little reason to be convinced when I know 1) the design is simple, 2) ZUN wanted to make a photo game, which led him to making Aya in order to have a photo game and 3) almost all Tengu are associated with crows in the first place

>>21414965
Not just any eroge. The, eroge. Rance.

>>21417101
>>21417184
One specific example is EoSD being partially inspired by a manga called Sarai by Shibata Masahiro.
It apparently has a maid character who looks like Sakuya with glasses and characters called Cirno and Patchouli.
There recently was a Futaba thread about it.

>>21428214
I think what a lot of people forget is that ZUN wasn't even well known back then. He was just making games for fun and using what resources he had to get his little Indie games finished. He wasn't concerned about world-building, being completely original, or any of that. But then his works gained a lot of traction. Around the time IN rolled around, he decided there should be some actually defined world around the series. He's made adjustments as he's gone. I think it's really neat to see a 20+ year progression of a creator in music, art, and story.

>>21428214
I want to read it

>>21428214
Whoa, big downgrade, for shame ZUN!

>>21428102
overrated

>>21428529
the real question is if keeping those glasses would increased or decreased sakuya's smug level

>>21428102
I can't believe Marisa got raped by Rance!

>>21428529
the real question is if keeping those glasses would have increased or decreased sakuya's smug level

>>21428574
I wonder if Marisa was based on Meruru sometimes

This thread is fucking kek

You people do realize the entire reason why ZUN has his mentality of leniency on using his work is because he believes his work could be considered a "fangame", right?

ZUN borrows a lot from old shit, whether it be myths from 1000 years ago or games and music from 40 years ago.

>>21428680
Everyone knows that you moron, besides one stray crossboarder earlier in the thread

>>21428699
Tell that to the people who are so surprised by it or are pointing out like its something new.

>>21426626
He even stole the name ZUN!

ZUN really steals?

>>21428214
Yep. The manga has characters named "Patchouli Seal" (a purple-haired maid), "Chiruno-Tapa" (an ice-magic using maid) and "Remilia-Flanuit" (a blue haired maid). And Sakuya's pose is identical to that of this maid in Sarai. Even down to the sock ruffles.

This manga is where ZUN got his fetish for mob caps (what some fans call "diaper head" or "ZUN hat"). Sarai predates EoSD by 3 years.

>>21429248
Here is a scene depicting a bunch of maids wearing mob caps

>>21429258
Really sheds new light on this drawing.

>>21429287
Which, by the way, has its background lifted from this scene in an artbook by Akihiro Yamada.

>>21429248
>>21429258
>>21429298
This is really interesting. Are there any other designs he borrowed that we know about? Makes me wonder how much other stuff there is that's just gone unnoticed.

>>21429298
And Gengetsu's design is lifted from the character "Mai" (probably also why he named Mai Mai in Mystic Square) from the Megami Ibunroku Persona manga (ZUN is a huge SMT fan btw).

>>21429258
>>21428214
>>21429248
That is LITERALLY Sakuya, there's no mistaking it. The nerve of ZUN!

>>21429308
Oh the Japanese fanbase has known about this since the early 2000's. Only a select few westerners really know anything about this, I thought I'd share.
>>21429315
Shinki's appearance and stage background appears to be modeled off of this Lucifer scene from Shin Megami Tensei and Yumeko appears to be modeled off of Hanoun from the same game.
>>21429323
Epic falseflag dude.

>>21429334
>>21429308
There's also Ellen.

>>21429334
Sariel's is based on one of the final bosses of the game "Tournament of the Gods II" by AliceSoft. In an interview, ZUN has stated that he played the game a lot when he was in high school. Also Sariel's sigil is a direct lift of the Shin Megami Tensei logo, only slightly edited and compressed.

>>21429248
it's so funny comparing the two going from the bottom up and then getting to the face

>>21429338
Yeah that one is pretty famous and well known because ZUN admitted to taking her from Hatarakimono in PoDD's music room and text files.
>>21429348
Going back to Akihiro Yamada's art, ZUN appears to have modeled the girl on the DiPP jacket after this girl from a cover of one of Akihiro Yamada's art books. Yukari's PCB design appears to be based on Quon Kisaragi (a character designed by Yamada) from the anime RahXephon.

it's so funny comparing the two going from the bottom up and then getting to the face

>>21429386
forgot the picture then I forgot the quote >>21429248

>>21429386
FUUUUCK can't unsee it.

>>21429348
No wonder Sariel looked so familiar.

>>21429386
>>21429398
>>21429403
Nice maymay dude.
>>21429385
Going back to AliceSoft's "Tournament of the Gods II", it appears that the CD girl from DiPP is slightly based off of this NPC girl from that game.

>>21429419
In HRtP you see this sprite of a girl in the sky of the final Makai stage. This is not Shinki or Sariel or any thing dumb like that.

>>21429426
It's actually a sprite directly lifted from "Tournament of the Gods II". ZUN really likes this game.

>>21429426
>>21429429
these are very interesting
thanks for sharing anon

>>21429429
There's also a gag scene in the game that has this image flash. Could the girl's hat have inspired ZUN while making Suwako? Possibly.

>>21429429
>>21429426
Oh, mystery solved. Nice.

>>21429437
NP
>>21429443
There's also a Nitori-like character. Maybe a coincidence. Maybe not.

>>21429457
And then there's this enemy. She's supposedly likes to collect bones according to Japanese fans who played. Looks kinda similar to Kisume. And, what do you know, Kitsume has an affinity for skulls. This is more a funny reference rather than anything.

>>21429452
Yeah. I could only guess what ZUN meant when using that sprite. Makai is a world of demons and that enemy is apparently a black magician turned phantom, so I guess it's just a reference?
>>21429483
Last one from this game. These two girls. They look suspiciously like generic ZUN designs, the red one likes almost exactly like EoSD Reimu. This game came out before HRtP was even in development. Could this have influenced him? Perhaps. Oh >>21426028 pointed out that "the Last Judgement" takes a segment from a music track in this game. So, yeah. There's probably a whole lot that's undiscovered.

>>21429502
Reimu and Utsuho if they were normal humans and not murderous monsters

>>21429502
A Japanese fan even made art depicting what they might look like in ZUN style. Again, they're just as generic as 90s anime girls can be but considering that ZUN referenced a lot from this game it seems somewhat likely that he may have subconsciously adopted this design-style into his head.

>>21429514
lol
>>21429519
Moving on to an obvious one. Mimi-chan is the exact same character as Mimi-chan from "Don't Leave Me Alone Daisy".

>>21429529
A little more obscure this time, it appears that Kana's design is based on Salad from Rupupu Cube. Salad is a character designed by Izumi Takemoto, one of ZUN's favorite artists. In fact he name drops the this game in the files of PoDD.

Damn, now I really want to play this Tournament of the Gods II game to see what the big deal with it was

>>21429561
>the this
this*
>>21429483
>kitsume
kisume*
sorry im typing this carelessly whoops
>>21429561
Anyway, Kotohime and Meira's deisgns are based off of this panel from a joke manga by Takemoto. It's worth noting that said characters in this panel are cosplaying as Takemaru and Hime from the NES game "The Mysterious Murasame Castle". Double reference?

>>21429581
Also worth noting that Konngara's design appears to be somewhat similar to Takemaru as well.
>>21429580
You could easily download a copy of Toushin Toushi II online and put it through a PC-98 emulator, but be warned that it's a Japanese-only RPG. There's no English fan translation to my knowledge.

>>21429605
Chiyuri's design is based on Izumi Takemoto's character, Eriko Asagaoka. Eriko also uses ~ze and ~da like Chiyuri. Marisa used ze and da ze in the Windows series too. I am inclined to believe that ZUN was inspired by the character to use that way of talking for Chiyuri/Marisa.

>>21429605
No, TT2 is translated. There's plenty of information for it on the alicesoft wikia. It's a freeware game, even.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/r4sztr9bzimuwtp/Toushin+Toshi+II+-+English+V+1.1.zip

>>21429628
Marisa is probably a result of his love for Jojo, since there were also a bunch of references in EoSD in particular.

>>21429638
Well there you go. I didn't know that. I'll probably play it now, thanks.
>>21429628
And then there's the whole obvious Ellen is just lifted from Hatarakimono but most already knew that.

>>21429660
It's a dated game but it's a certainly a trip.

It's not necessary to play the first TT to enjoy it, which is even more dated and less fun.

This is surprising. Do doujin game authors normally trace or even straight-up take resources from other games, or was this more of a "It's the 90's who cares" type of thing?

It's just peculiar there weren't any implications from him blatantly ripping stuff like >>21429429 or >>21429348

>>21429653
Double references can be a thing. Look at Sakuya. She's both DIO and that maid from Sarai. ZUN has gone on record saying that Takemoto is his favorite artist so I assume by common sense that he got it from there. Also Jotaro only uses da ze and not ze, like Eriko. Solo ze is only used by girls (tomboys).
>>21429660
Everyone already knows Doraemon and Multi from To Heart (+Ruukuto, a parody of Multi) appear in PoDD so I won't go there. But I will go to Yumemi. Her name, part of her story and her design is based on Yumimi from Yumimi Mix. Yumimi is a high schooler that travels through dimensions when she gets a strange power. She appears in the first picture. Yumemi is also based on Sayori Okajima, a dimension-hopping scientist, from "Sayori na Parallel" (2nd image). Her name is also based on Marian Ekazaki (not pictured), a girl with red hair and a braid, from Takemoto's "Apple Paradise". Yumimi+Okajima+Ekazaki = Yumemi Okazaki (Okazaki is also the surname of a duo of famous scientists who discovered the Okazaki fragment). The third picture displays "Usagi Paradise", a manga about a girl and a wacky scientist (guy on the carrot). He created a space/time machine and has a habit of naming his inventions after fruit and vegetables, but he most often uses "Strawberry" in his invention names. This is why Yumemi's theme is called "Strawberry Crisis!!".

makes me sad Transistor Venus is the only fully translated Takemoto Izumi manga.

>>21429727
I'm not 100% familiar with doujin rules but I'm under the impression that anything is fair game as long as it's derivative and doesn't 100% copy large portions someone else's game. ZUN repurposed the images, that's all. Also at the time AliceSoft was still doujin and not a full-fledged company like it is today so it probably didn't matter all that much. Copyright laws in Japan are way different than in the west, especially when dealing with fan creations and doujin works.
>>21429755
I'm sad that almost none of his manga are scanned at all. The only way to get them is to snipe rare auctions on Yahoo Japan. You could also find some on Amazon but the majority of those ones are his recent manga from the 2000's upwards.
>>21429749
I'm sure a lot of people know this but Reimu is primarily based on (or is a reference to) Sayo-chan, the shrine maiden protagonist of the SHMUP Kiki Kaikai (known as Pocky and Rocky in the west). In fact the entirety of Touhou started out as a homage to those games. Bakebake enemies in the SoEW are lifted directly from that game. But, anway, here's something you might not know. PC-98 Reimu is more specifically (and the cover of PoDD) based on this cover of a version of Kiki Kaikai.

>>21429825
And taking a look at LLS's portrait, you can see an identical Western-styled bow on Reimu's hakama.

>>21429833
Meant PoDD* not LLS whoops. But yeah you can see that the cover is suspiciously similar in theme.

>>21429727
>Do doujin game authors normally trace or even straight-up take resources from other games
Not just doujin.

>>21426093
Shitload of western indie games have references and "blatant rip offs", Undertale obviously coming to mind

>>21425671
I've started noticing how some video game composers are influenced by yellow magic orchestra. LSD dream emulator and animal crossing have songs very similar to some of them.
Mort garson's songs as well.

>>21429825
Sayo-chan a cute!

>>21423158
>>21423934
please reply

>>21429628
sailor tits

>>21426093
Fuck John Williams for stealing Faure's Sicilienne

>>21436516
sailor of cum!

>>21429878
One of the Super Robot Wars composers got into trouble over that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKt16h-MOls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5-dPYrXFHY

>>21426591
"Blue ni Naiteiru": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q8GCKrAhxo

Also has an English version, "Song in Blue":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSle1oJvsSg

>>21417101
>>21417245
Yuuka and Alice are specifically old characters he brought back, and in Yuuka's case, he even wondered if he could get away with putting even more older characters in, his main worries has nothing to do with that but rather if they'd fit in the setting or not. Some of them would others wouldn't

I found a suspiciously similar design to Rumia while looking through old doujins

>>21442711
Kind of a stretch

>>21426626
Just like metal gear stole its music from Russia?

>>21414965
>>21413644
>>21423158
>>21426523
>>21429315
what a piece of shit

>>21443708
>>>/v/

>>21443708
epic falseflag my dude
>>21442711
ZUN actually did take Rumia's design from somewhere, just not there. Here is another 90s manga by his favorite artist, Izumi Takemoto.

ZUN should marry Izumi Takemoto if he loves him so much

>>21444564
Maybe Mrs. ZUN is Izumi's daughter.

>>21414176
because it's cute

>>21414965
>>21428102
Wew, now we know that ZUN officially likes porn games with literal rape scenes. So much for that clean family friendly image!

>>21446854
Fuck off falseflagger retard

>>21425671
This is kind of a stretch, but here's a Swedish pop song from 1988 with parts that sound really similar to Cirno's theme (skip to 2:26).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXvARyxMdIU

>>21446854
That was pretty tame for the time, considering the shit people were making back then. The original Digital Devil Story for instance was pretty fucked up.

presenting yukari yakumo, aka ms. p.c.
https://youtu.be/6dV5s-lji3g?t=2m59s

>>21446945
neat! fun song too.

>>21446854
What's wrong with liking porn games with literal rape scenes?

Reminder that anyone ZUN stole from stole from someone before them. There's nothing new under the sun.

>>21448403
The heck are you on about? This close to Lunar Dial at the start but nothing else. I doubt you can take this as an influence at all

wtf I hate 2hu now

you always have to inspire from something
nothing will come to mind if you sit in a white room

>>21446854
Remember when ZUN would describe things as ”ロリっぽい"?

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil/Music#Stage_6_Boss_-_Remilia_Scarlet.27s_theme
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil/Music#Extra_Stage_Boss_-_Flandre_Scarlet.27s_theme
>ロリっぽいこのメロディは、今作品でもっとも私らしいメロディ
で、鍵盤弾くのが楽しかったです。

ZUN is simply an otaku, to think otherwise is silly. Playing questionable eroge is part of that.

>>21446854
Remember when ZUN would describe things as ”ロリっぽい"?

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil/Music#Stage_6_Boss_-_Remilia_Scarlet.27s_theme
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil/Music#Extra_Stage_Boss_-_Flandre_Scarlet.27s_theme
>ロリっぽいこのメロディは、今作品でもっとも私らしいメロディで、鍵盤弾くのが楽しかったです。

ZUN is simply an otaku, to think otherwise is silly. Playing questionable eroge is part of that.

>>21450135
>questionable
What is questionable about Rance?

>>21450135
See, I don't even think he's changed much. He has some liberal views, mainly regarding homosexuality and general equality. But most of that is just him being a decent human being? Him referring to something as loli-like is fine. It's when people put the 'Western' idea of liberal onto him that things get reaching.

>>21449989
You'll get the greatest rave album ever made in there, though

So are you all ready to admit that ZUN is an unoriginal hack who only knows how to steal IP and put a mildly personal twist on it?
Why do we idolize him while other people who do the exact same shit get bullied into becoming trannies?
>tfw ZUN is exactly the same as pic related

>>21450446
>(((decent)))

>>21451270
I'm sorry, I'm unsure of what you're getting at since all you did was quote me. Was there something you wanted to say, or did you just want to use the funny meme arrow?

>>21451263
fucking epic post my phoneposting /v/friend

>>21451263
because he makes cute girls wed want to either gently cuddle or roughly hatefuck
thin little pajamas, fluffy tails, cute hats, skintight leggings on clownpiece

CWC never made anything youd want to fuck, just recolours of sonic or mlp characters

>>21446854
rape is pretty vanilla porn wise desu even in irl porn

First quality, 2hu thread in a while and now is full of /v/dditors, why /jp/ is so bad these years?

>>21451420
one autist got butthurt and started shitposting ITT, that's all
it's a shame you can't talk about this topic without crossboarders going apeshit

>>21451263
who are you quoting?

>>21451263
I know it's bait, but in the claim:
>an unoriginal hack who only knows how to steal IP and put a mildly personal twist on it
The only point I would even argue is calling him a "hack." A hack is someone who advertises a service or sells a product which they cannot competently perform or produce. With ZUN, no such claims or expectations are laid out in his games, Music CDs, etc. which is also the general attitude of the doujin scene.

I don't know much about Chrischan, but if he operated in the same manner, he also wouldn not be a "hack," but just a poor artist. However, the reason why people are so fixated on Chris has little to do with his art or his originality, and much, much more with him being a lolcow. ZUN's reserved, humble, and supportive demeanor have an opposite effect (if you're going to ask for a source, just read touhouwiki interview translations). Most people are fine with artists who only "steal IP and put a mildly personal twist on it." And that is really on the only commonality between the two people you compared.

Also,
>while other people who do the exact same shit get bullied into becoming trannies
Ad hominem aside, pretty sure that is not a direct result of online bullying. It just comes off as a complete non-sequitor. I have no particular beef with you using "tranny" rather than "faggot", "nigger", etc, but if you're going to steal an easy insult, please meet the standards of someone like Chrischan and actually bother to put a mildly personal twist on it.

>>21451929
911 there is a murder

>>21451263
wayq?

This is probably the reason ZUN's blanketed off PC-98 in general.

People just don't know ZUN's current inspirations yet.

>>21462802
the Kojiki?

>>21462802
>People just don't know ZUN's current inspirations yet.
Really makes you think.

In speaking of YMO references:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2ZoG_rBjBs

Shares the chorus with "Tong Poo"

>>21442711
Not really, Rumia was taken from Yumimi Mix.

>>21463228
Is that Sumireko behind her?

>>21463653
Baoh (the proto-JJBA) had a psychic girl named Sumire. That's the closest I can think of, and it's a big stretch.

>>21463653
how you find that girl similar to sumireko?

Were Yuuka's PC-98 and Windows designs directly inspired by something? I've always been interested but never managed to dig up any info.

>>21465201
Probably because of the glasses. Which yes, it's kind of silly, but in his defense, the amount of 2hus who wear glasses can be counted in one hand.

>>21428214
oh no
oh no no nonononononononoo!
how will ZUN ever recover from this?

>>21463202
Wrong

>>21465473
Cut your own throat.

>>21465201
Same schoolgirl overalls outfit and has short dorky hair.

>>21465355
>Yuuka's PC-98 design directly inspired by something?
Flavor Flav

>>21425606
>but he's fucking right. the animation itself kinda gives me western vibes? it feels like family guy or some mainstream style like that. esp the face.

I don't get that at all. Just looks like a simplified anime style to make animating easier. Also it's really fucking cute so who cares.

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Touhou_influences

>>21465355
Yeah, Kirby (not joking)

>>21466968
Some of these are blatantly wrong, like Tomboyish Girl in Love being inspired by the Pokemon RBY hall of fame theme when it's most likely an homage to a YMO track.

>>21444519
Y'know that might also help explain why he draws everyone as a cute potato.

>>21465201
>Same schoolgirl overalls outfit and has short dorky hair.
Sumireko has medium brown hair tied in pigtails and her outfit is blue with a purple and white plaid pattern. I'm honestly perplexed as to how you think she looks like that blonde chick.

>>21467012
Seriously? Now that sounds interesting, is there a source for that or something similar? Never played much Kirby.

>>21467265
Different colors don't make a different design.

>>21467427
what is Satori and Koishi

>>21467433
The same color, just inverted.

>>21467437
>The same color, just inverted.
What the hell after all those years I never realized it. Oooooooh.

from what i can tell from this thread, i think we can all agree that YMO is the best japanese band

>>21467307
Not that person, but check out the character Marx from Kirby from super star. His wings and theme song is similar to flandre. I don't know about the yuuka though.

>>21467427
Yeah, they kind of do. And even if they didn't, that blonde chick shares no similarities to Sumi other than the fact she wears a skirt and glasses, which aren't even the same shape. A lot of you people are reaching hard.

>>21468146
From my point of view, Someone's Sonic OC with green fur and a scar on his eye is just Sonic with green fur and a scar on his eye. Even in the OP, Akyuu's hair color is different and is a longer length and has different bangs compared to the other girl, her outfit has added frills, different color inner part(white vs those cross hatches), and she's wearing normal socks instead of pigtoe socks. Does that make her not a copy of the right image to you? I'm not insisting that it is Sumireko, but it resembles her to me as much as Akyuu does to the right side girl.

>>21468875
Those minute differences are mitigated by the identical coloration, and outfit. They might be drawn in two completely different art styles but the similarities the two share are unmistakable. It helps that the girl on the right is wearing a rather atypical outfit to begin with. On the contrary, Yumimi Mix-chan is an incredibly innocuous schoolgirl that looks like hundreds of pre-existing characters without trying. By your logic everyone with a bowtie and glasses is an indirect copy of her, since coloration doesn't apparently matter.

>>21467732
I've heard about the Marx-Flan parallels before but never anything about Yuuka and Kirby so I'm pretty curious.

>>21468982
The difference is that Yumemi is indeed based on Yumimi, though. ZUN is an admitted fan of Izumi Takemoto and mentions him several times in the files of PoDD. Yumimi is a high school girl with red hair and a braid that travels to different dimensions. Yumemi is a university girl with red hair and a braid that travels through different dimensions. And it's not just Yumimi that Yumemi is based on, >>21429749 explains in detail the other 3 characters that ZUN referenced. It's not a stretch by any means.

>>21478325
I should have been more clear. When I was referring to "Yumimi-chan" I was talking about the blonde short-haired schoolgirl. My mistake.

ZUN the Criminal

>>21468982
*drawings

>unironically thinking that IP actually is property
>actually thinking that anything in human culture is truly novel
>not understanding the meaning of doujin at all
it's like more of /v/ leaks in here every day

>>21478767
Who are you quoting?

>>21478767
I agree, there is nothing wrong with using other people's art to create your own. It's not just doujin culture - this is the basis of hip hop culture as well, like chopping up old soul tracks to make a beat.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Or like Picasso said, great artists steal. Ideas are not property. They may be interesting, or beautiful, but they are not worth money and nobody owns them.

The more we allow artists to use each others works, the more great art we will get.

>>21478767
tg;dr

>>21478899
>I agree, there is nothing wrong with using other people's art to create your own. It's not just doujin culture - this is the basis of hip hop culture as well, like chopping up old soul tracks to make a beat.
Pretty sure everyone acting outraged ITT is just being sarcastic or joking.

>>21478767
Whomst quote

>>21478767
>it's like more of /v/ leaks in here every day
You can help by going back there or lurking before posting

>>21478767
Off my board, crossie.

>>21425872
I'm so fucking disappointed right now.

>>21467012
Interesting, she always made me think of Kirby.

Who would have thought that Len'en was more original than the games that inspired it?

>>21425831
The refrain vaguely reminds me of Blue Seed OP's refrain https://youtu.be/QUN6M5t5iyo?t=50

>>21480576
Nice try but no.

>>21467012
How so?

>>21478803
>>21478918
>>21479662
>>21479675
>>21479872
>green doesn't belong on /jp/
i hate this newfag meme, 2012 /jp/ wan't like this

>>21483334
2012 /jp/ was full of newfags.

>>21483334
Lurk at least 2 years kudasai.

>>21483334
who are you quoting?

>>21483401
Not amongst the fake /jp/

>>21483334
Do not abuse the quote function you imbecile.

>>21484184
>not using le meme arrows

You know what the most absolutely hilarious thing about this entire thread is?

EVEN ITS CONTENT WHINING ABOUT ZUN STEALING FROM OTHER SOURCES IS STOLEN FROM ANOTHER SOURCE:

https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/238425945/

https://static.myfigurecollection.net/pics/figure/big/152826.jpg

>Luna Child, Star Sapphire, and Sunny Milk

ZUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN

>Luna Child, Star Sapphire, and Sunny Milk

ZUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN

>>21485066

>>21485066
/vg/ wasn't the first one. It actually came from a Twitter post back in 2017:

https://twitter.com/hihukiss/status/820626819871166464

>>21485019
who are you quoting?

>>21483334
nice try newfriend.

>>21485077
Huh, I wonder what he stole their outfits from.

>>21485077
pls stahp

i don't want my mind ruined any more

As disappointed as this thread has made me, I don't like I can stop liking Touhou at this point. The games are too fun and the porn is too good.

>>21485244
*I don't think

I just feel kinda weird looking at all the dedicated threads for all the characters, knowing that they're simply stolen and given a new personality in the game/print works.
I think of my favorites and wonder where ZUN took them from.
I guess I'll get over it soon since I love what he's done to them regardless.

>>21485267
The reason why everyone thinks "it's a coincidence" is because people have no idea the extent to which it goes. You might see a "music similarities" video pop up every now and again, and the music might sound a little similar, but at the end of the day, you can put it in the back of your mind as a coincidence.

Then when you start seeing VISUAL similarities, some of which are direct rips from other forms of media, that's when it starts to really click.

Heaven forbid the day someone puts together a massive, easy-to-follow normalfag-friendly video with characters in chronological order that compares their visuals and soundtracks.

>>21415442
>>21426744
>>21443733
>>21451395
>>21451420
>>21478767
Where did this boogie man come from? how is that board living in your head rent free?

>>21485391
You just got in my head rent free for using the "rent free" crap, congratulations

>>21485373
considering there are over 100 2hus, that would take months

>>21485077
Those don't look anything like the three fairies.

>>21485373
From what I can tell, the first 5 games ZUN made were more like student projects than an actual starting point of a franchise. As a result, they're full of references and cameos of shit he liked. But after EoSD the majority of blatant references and borrowed characters pretty much stops with only a few noticeable examples showing up here and there. The other more strained similarities are, if you think about it rationally, indeed coincidences.

If you look at someone's creative works with the mindset that they're plagiarists, you ARE going to find something that sounds or looks a similar to their creations simply due to the intrinsically unoriginal nature of the world.

>>21486154
Yeah, pretty much this. Around the time he started making IN was when he started to get semi-serious about the games.

How do I stop being an autist and prevent this from ruining 2hu for me?

>>21486783
As lots of people have said above, this is the nature of doujin works in the first place, and also that almost nothing is wholly original, doujin or not. Most things like like probably aren't wholly original, because of how ideas work. If you can't realize and get over that, I guess you can't enjoy anything.

>>21483334
Do your research before trying to seem like you're an oldfag.
You don't know shit about 2012 newfag.

>>21486783
If you're dumb enough to think this means anything, you really should just stop liking it. Better quality fanbase.

>>21486815
You're right. Fictional character designs have been getting recycled for literal millennia. Plus he typically improves them and gets them way more attention than they would get otherwise.
I was just scared I'd end up obsessively wondering where he stole the designs for my favorite characters.

>>21486783
A simpler version of what >>21486815 said is "play more doujin games." When you're experienced with them, nothing about Touhou will bother you, even the art.

>>21483334
Nah, it is considerably older than that. /jp/ always hated greentext.

The issue is that most of the /jp/ old guard was banned for wrongthink because they supported Trump. The new guard doesn't support Trump. The new guard never learned about the meme arrows, so the new guard uses them.

That's a little saddening, but it is life. Old communities will always die. New communities arise from their ashes.

>>21487149
Why are you bringing up dumbass american politics all of a sudden? Are you mentally ill? This is otaku culture, no has ever gave two shits about politics here. Go away crossboarder and lurk forever.

>>21485066
I don't think anyone claimed this was all /jp/ original research

I don't give a shit about inspiration and stolen ideas, I'm more concerned about ZUN not putting much effort into the games anymore and his musical themes deteriorating in the newer games.
Games like PCB, IN, SA are still his best works and the musical themes from back in the later half of PC98 surpass most, if not all of what he's done in the recent years.
I'd like him to bring back branching paths, or actually make different routes/plots that change according to the character, to actually have the games' plot going somewhere interesting, to actually make more use of his absurdly huge cast of characters.
ZUN needs to take more risks, he's been way too comfortable with Touhou recently.

>>21487679
Actually, DDC is his best game and isn't that old.

>>21487696
Bad meme.

>>21487730
not a meme.
It's the best "new" game, it has the charm and nostalgia feeling of his old games with a fresh and original story, not to mention that Seija and Sukuna are really the best characters.
Music is 10/10.

>>21487803
Will you ever learn to fuck off?

>>21487919
SA-obsessed genwunners have no right to kick out anybody

>>21487679
>ZUN needs to take more risks
What do you think LoLK was?

>>21487803
This

>>21488073
>What do you think LoLK was?
A genuine threat to my sanity.

>>21488063
DDC shitters should understand that there's a reason their awful game is the reason why people started complaining about ZUN's absurdly awful (over)use of guitar samples. The OST is absolutely bonkers in a really bad way, and while some themes are genuinely great and quite emblematic (Reverse Ideology, Little Princess, the Exaggerated Castle Keep), it has also some of the worst ZUN tracks ever, and it's the point where the music simply couldn't make it interesting enough to spend time on this game. Tracks like Mist Lake, the Mermaid's theme or even the tsukumonogami's theme are downright offensive because of their dissonant aspect, and Kagerou's is forgettable as fuck.
Do not dare fucking compare DDC's awful OST to the old gems', you'd make people angry. And let's not talk about the awful gimmick of forcing you to go over to PoC to get resources, which is either as easy to abuse as HSiFS's Fall release or ridiculously hard to pull off due to the sheer amount of RNG shit, or the absolutely terrible balance of the shot type (just look at freaking Marisa A or Sakuya B, it goes beyond retardation to say those shot types were suited for this game). PCB for example is a hundred times the game DDC wished it could be, it has genuinely amazing orchestrations and great visuals that are tied to the theme of the game and give a Japanese dream-like touch to it.

>>21488230
Please stop. DDC is great and the things you say are bad are what makes it great. Try to understand, thank you.

>>21488251
I'm getting real sick and tired of your ruining this thread telling people to leave or to stop. Go outside and get a life already.

>>21488251
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7Lg88pv2lE
Get your reality check and get the fuck out.

I think the biggest problem Touhou fans have with ZUN reusing ideas from other places is that certain autists have become so embedded with their Touhou waifu that they couldn't possibly fathom that their waifu is just a rip-off of something else.

For instance, take 4chan's most adamant Touhou autists. What would KOG do if he found out Cirno is nothing more than a reskin of an ice maid and that Cirno's outfit comes from an American 90s cartoon? Or what would Reisenposter do to learn that Lunatic Eyes is another blatant rip-off? Not to mention Reisen's overall design isn't exactly "original" as she is very similar to some of the bunny girls from obscure places as well.

People need to get over the fact that ZUN rips off *ahem* I mean "is inspired by" other forms of media and learn to accept the characters they have become.

>>21488263
>>21488271
I'm not the other guy, and someone making a meme video about DDC doesn't change my mind about it.

>>21488286
>meme video
It clearly shows why DDC is a mess of a game and you should accept the freaking facts.

>>21488230
Bad shitpost

>>21488286
>meme video
Bing bing bing 2.0 playstyle is hardly a meme about DDC ya dofus.

Why is that /v/ poster here complaining about DDC?

>>21488311
Anything you don't like isn't necessary /v/, you idiot. Sorry to disturb your echo chamber but there are reasons why this game is bad by ZUN's standards.

>>21488332
Like?

>>21488296
I love DDC despite being aware of its shortcomings, that is what TRUE LOVE is all about!

>>21488332
ALL Touhou games are bad by gaming standards in general. Nobody likes Touhou because of the games. We like Touhou because of the cute girls in cute dresses and the music. Who cares if the cute girls are reskins of other cute girls - they are still a cute. Likewise, who cares if the music is a rearrange or even a direct rip-off of something else - it's still fun to listen to.

>>21488371
Wait, there are people who think Touhou games are good? Since when did /jp/ think the Touhou games were good? They have always been an indie knockoff of actual good shoot-'em-ups.

>>21488371
>gaming standards in general
What standards?

>>21488277
No, I think the biggest problem is pretentious Touhou fans who cringe at stuff like Sonic OC and then tout that Touhou is 100% original. Touhou is literally Sonic OC but with cute girls instead of furries.

>>21488277
This. Waifuists are cancer.

>>21488277
I'm sure KOG has to know. ZUN took Seija's upside down gimmick from him.

>>21488468
you do realize kog wasn't the first one to make a space shooter where the screen was flipped upside down...right?

>>21488476
You're probably right, but I've asked around a lot for a example that came before KOG, but nobody has been able to provide me with anything. If you can find a game that used upside down characters and danmaku before 2012, please show me.

>>21488487
Just because something is introduce inside a game doesn't mean it's necessary "stolen" from someone/something else. There's only so much creativity humankind can come up with, especially within the realm of something as restrictive as a shooting game.
Besides, I'd bet that ZUN actually thought about the traits of an amanojaku before anything else.

>>21488411
It's furry and it's Sonic so it's embarrassing by default. This series is nothing but the shadow of what it was back during the Megadrive/DC/GC days.

>>21488652
But Touhou OC is the same thing as Sonic OC, only Touhou is about cute girls and Sonic is about furries.

>>21488696
Can you read?

>>21488699
Can YOU?

>>21487149
>most of the /jp/ old guard was banned for wrongthink
I think 70% of the base was cut when 4chan was moved to the 4channel domain. I remember there being like 5 posters outside the general threads and I had to keep bumping threads because nobody was talking either due to the fact that Hiro fucked everything up on launch (little more than half the site could not post on the boards - 4channel/blue boards) or that they just up and left.

>>21488397
He's just some /v/tard.

>>21488277
>and that Cirno's outfit comes from an American 90s cartoon?
Wait what?

>>21488277
Please read the rest of the thread instead of posting like an inflammatory retard.

>>21488696
>But Touhou OC is the same thing as Sonic OC, only Touhou is about cute girls and Sonic is about furries.
>>21488652
>It's furry and it's Sonic so it's embarrassing by default.

>>21488746
Trust me, you don't want to go down THAT rabbit hole...

Even Disney is unoriginal yet its the most successful animation studio in the world.

Success doesn't come from originality. Success comes from taking the best parts of the things you know to combine them into something better.

What the fuck did you do to my thread

>>21489019
What needed to be done

>>21488277
I don't see why anybody would be upset at hearing about the inspirations for their favorite characters, even if it turns out they're 95% straight rip-offs.

>>21487679
>I don't give a shit about inspiration and stolen ideas, I'm more concerned about ZUN not putting much effort into the games anymore and his musical themes deteriorating in the newer games.
This.

>>21488073
LoLK was nothing more than a response to people complaining that DDC was too easy. It has nothing to do with taking risks.
>>21487803
Being a nice addition =/= best game in the franchise.
It might have been nice but it was not the best.

>>21489388
It IS the best game

>people saying 2hus are rip-offs of Sarai
>don't provide otaku thread link with proofs
>don't provide pictures with proofs
>don't provide ANY proof

Just because Nudge looks like Sakuya doesn't mean Chiruno Tapa, Patchouli Seal, and Remilia Flanuit are actually characters of the Sarai manga. The burden of proof is on YOU. I see ZERO evidence anywhere on the net other than a few Japanese Twitter posts that these three characters even exist. If you can provide a link with hard evidence with pictures of these maids, then please do so. Otherwise, I'm just going to take you as a false flagger mixing in truths with fake info.

>>21489573
There are limits to everything, especially false-flagging, anon.

>>21489573
Please, please kill yourself.

>>21489573
Who the fuck are you quoting?

>>21489621
If I see that stupid phrase one more time...

>>21489584
>>21489593
So after point out those three character are made-up, you're getting all defensive. Whatever, I know you can't prove it so I don't care about your opinion.

>>21489636
You'll take a hint and find some way to express your ideas without abusing the quote function?

I mean regardless of whether it's bullshit, it's also trivially easy to NOT use greentext in your post.

>>21489704
The stupid "who are you quoting phrase" is even worse than the stupid "have sex" garbage I see on other boards in that you fags have been doing this crap for 10 years now.

GET. OVER. IT.

>>21489640
yep

What's with the sudden increase of crossboarders?

>>21489874
The thread isn't adhering to your narrative, so they're "crossboarders"

Idiot.

>>21489883
They are shitposters.
They clearly come from other boards.
|
V
They are crossboarders.

What's so hard to understand exactly?

>>21489821
Do not abuse the quote function. If you have something to say then don't be a memespeaking retard and write like a decent human being.

>>21490036
>Do not abuse the quote function.

The greentext meme arrow has multiple purposes. Even Hiroyuki has used it for purposes that aren't for quoting. If the admin of the site is okay with it, then so is everyone else. You and a small pocket of other ancients on this board keep spamming it everywhere. It's even worse than the "have sex" crap because 99.99% of the site is against your dumb, outdated opinion.

>>21490036
But you don't write posts, you type them.

>>21490127
99.99% of this site is comprised of mindless shitposting teenagers, why should anyone with self respect care about what they think?

>>21489874
I want to know that too
The thread was going well and then >>21487679 happened
There were shitposters before that but that is when they really started going maximum overdrive on this thread
It's a shame, I enjoyed reading about the inspirations for the characters but I guess someone from /v/ must have linked the thread there

Man can you retards just shut the fuck up?
>>21489573
>>21489636
>>21489821
Eat shit. The spam on other boards you mention like second nature. Perhaps it is time for you to get off this board and go back to one of them. Take your pick because /jp/ is off the table.
Who are you quoting? Nobody.

>>21490127
What Hiro does is irrelevant. 90% of the site hates him already and it has been that way since moot sold the site to him. What he does does not correlate to longstanding culture on /jp/. Grow the fuck up. /jp/ has been fighting the moderation for years and it has only cooled down now.
You're a damned fool if you think that just because someone does something that it is automatically okay, especially on this board of all places.
Adapt to the board or die a faggot.

>>21490236
>>21489874
You want something to complain about and I'll give it to you.

>>21487748
>>21461025
>>21472399
>>21480093

Crossbullshit from /v/ imported threads.
Template threads are only half of that shit.
Some fags are making template posts and there are more shitposts than usual
As pointed out in >>21488967

Just because someone doesn't like or share the same opinion as you does not make them a crossie, but crossies do dwell in the shitposts.
Timing only makes you faggots twist around like a damn Twizzler as you continue to bitch for another 40 posts in any given thread.
I'm not picking sides so don't drag me into your shit.

>>21490313
>Just because someone doesn't like or share the same opinion as you does not make them a crossie
No one is doing this. Unless you consider "oh no le zun is finished" a valid opinion.

>>21490380
That guy is a falseflagger. He's butthurt that this thread even exists. His goal was to derail it and he did derail at as the majority of autists ate the bait up. That doesn't matter though. He can never delete this thread. It will be archived.

>>21490380
Shitposting is not an opinion.
If you take shit like that seriously and actually reply to it then you have your own set of issues to work out.

>>21490423
>That guy is a falseflagger. He's butthurt that this thread even exists. His goal was to derail it and he did derail at as the majority of autists ate the bait up. That doesn't matter though. He can never delete this thread. It will be archived.
Hey retard! Guess what! I don't care what the thread is and I had to come back to you idiots arguing about this shit! You fags derailed the thread and I am posting about the topic at hand! If you want to change the subject then post about something else instead of arguing about it! Don't make ill-informed claims or assumptions either because you'll make yourself look like a fool and more-so for quoting this exact phrase in an attempt to get at me and justify your post!
If I want to falseflag, I'll do it!

>>21490423
>>21490500
>Hey retard! Guess what! I don't care what the thread is and I had to come back to you idiots arguing about this shit!
Keep in mind I had been in this thread the entire time and found interest in this! Not once did I see a single shitpost worth replying to!

>>21483344
Mate that was nearly a decade ago