/jp/ - Otaku Culture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ynDj1owczE#t=46

家の屋根は今窓から見える地平線に沿って並んでいます、そしていつものように、日中は茂みの中に蝶もあります。

わたしはゲイ

とつぶやいた

www.youtube.com/watch?v=illApgaLgGA
I'm sure this has been posted here before, but what do you guys think of this guy's method and has anyone of you tried something similar like this? probably not, since most people here are too autistic to speak to other people

If you can't understand this you'll never know Japanese.

>>21432389
why did she do that

>>21432389
Too easy

>>21432372
yeah exactly. clearly the method works which is no surprise to anyone familiar with krashen, but if interacting with 3d people is necessary to learn japanese i'm never going to learn it

Kanji is so strange of a concept to grasp as a westerner.

You spend your whole life interweaving letters to form words or concepts, then get introduced to a culture where almost every concept or phrase has it's own unique symbol. And you have to memorize at least a few thousand to be able to read past grade-school level.

Moreover, the same exact sounding phrase could be any one of a dozen+ kanji depending on the context it's used in.

The more I dig deeper into learning the language the more overwhelming it feels.

it stops feeling overwhelming like 5k words in but maybe i'm at what's called mount stupid and i'll suddenly run into crazy wacky kanji combos that will destroy me but i'm pretty smart so i don't think that'll happen.

>>21432472
It's a hobby.
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1559141926847.webm

>>21432500
not a dozen unless youre calling syllables phrases

>>21432500
Think of it this way, as long as your familiar with the kanji, you can read at any level. Whereas with English, if you want to read at a higher level, you gotta learn new words straight outta the gate.

＞わか
mattaku

>>21432525
not a good way to think of it considering all those japs who can't read shit because kanji is fucked up lmao

>>21432372
i mean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=illApgaLgGA#t=526 this dudes pretty consistent with my experiences

>there are actually people using machine translations

>>21432500
there are a few dozen symbols which make up all kanji kanji is easy as fuck

*slays moedork instantly*

https://streamable.com/lqnhx

>>21432500
They're not. Just think of them as the components in compound words (like con+dense, psych-o-log-y). You need to learn tens of thousands of words with odd spellings in English to know how to read anything (have you ever thought about how odd it is that the letter "a" in "beauty" is the same "a" as the "a" in "admonish" or in "brawny", even though they're pronounced quite differently?).
Japanese is not really that different in that respect.
Give an ESL or a 5 year old a book about a dog wagging its tail whenever its owner comes in, and they'll probably understand it. Give them a copy of Whitehead's Process and Reality, and see them get confused by the strange vocabulary being used in conjunction with its unusual method of exposition.

Where do I get Japanese anime subs other than Kitsunekko?
Trying to get Slayers NEXT, which is missing from there.

millions of plebs have been filtered from learning japanese because of kanji pretty epic

>>21432598
かわいい

>>21432652
Oh now you made a non-kawaii post and ruined the feeling.

>>21432665

>>21432668
it's daijobu :3 take care

do japanese learn english through anki and mining netflix?

>>21432652
Because they falsely think it's necessary, when in reality you can learn languages just by listening.

>>21432684
They """learn""" through their hellish school system.

>>21432675

>>21432668
more posts like this and dont write anything thats a moe i can support

>>21432504
Didn't you start noticing odd stuff from the moment you learnt that kanji like 卓 are used both in words like 電卓 and 食卓?

>>21432703
「電子式卓上計算機」の略

>>21432372
Obviously not this specific method but in essence it's just the "consume a ton of comprehensible input" idea. Just that in his case the comprehensible input is provided a by a live person pointing at pictures. This way of doing it might have a small advantage because you're more encouraged to repeat what the person is saying to you, which you probably won't do watching shows by yourself as much.

The dude clearly likes people and enjoys talking to them, so that's his preferred source for comprehensible input. You can achieve the same thing by yourself with the right material though. If I had to learn a language like this I would quit in an instant, but since I already learned English by myself I know you don't have to.

止めろハッマア時

https://files.catbox.moe/rid63u.mp4
Are any of you good enough to make out what he is saying here?
I already know because of subtitles.

The lack of texthookable games saddens me.

>>21432725
社会はな、てめぇが思ったこと甘くねんだよ

>>21432541
>>21432372
>forget about reading or writing until you are fluent.
ok, I'll stick to anki until I'm fluent

before starting my reps, anyone can recommend me what settings I should use?

>>21432757
Gold star for getting 甘く but it's 思ってるほど

>>21432775
put leeches on tag only only or add a 1440 minute learning step so the words you haven't learned properly don't get tagged as leech.

>>21432725
I got until
社会はな、手前が思って〇甘くねんだ
I only inferred the 甘く from the context though, it sounds like hes saying だまく

>>21432794
That would make more sense.
It's all slurred together into a millisecond.

Why people hate anki so much in this place?

>>21432831
snowflake noobs trying to be innovative and contrarian

>>21432831
u should love ur aniki
just understand that ud be aight on ur own and definitely dont overdose
thats all ive ever asked of u

>>21432831
>anki hard work.
>me not want to do anki
>feel embarrassed
>call you ankidrone to feel better

>>21432831
I don't hate it but I stopped using it.
I might start again when I want to learn how to handwrite.

>>21432831
there's very few people here who actually hate anki
most people just say to not spend too much time with it because 1. when you're doing anki you're not consuming content 2. when it becomes too much work there's a chance you'll quit altogether

i dont hate anki just the retards who do it

向こう
向かう
向く
向ける
向き
I am so fucking confused right now

>>21432775
New Cards:
>New cards/day
Somewhere between 20 and 50.
Leave everything else alone.

Reviews:
>Maximum reviews/day
9999
Leave everything else alone.

Lapses:
>New interval
Ordinarily you would want to set this to somewhere between 50 and 75, but with the Another Retreat add-on linked below you don't need to mess with it.
>Leech threshold
Somewhere between 12 and 16
>Leech action
"Suspend Card"
Leave everything else alone.

Also, install these:
https://github.com/eshapard/experimentalCardEaseFactor
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/633293039
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/208879074
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1481634779
(^ make sure to tick the "Activate Another Retreat Addon" checkbox under the "Lapses" tab of your deck settings)

>>21432899
Why? They all mean pretty much the same. Much better than some of the similar words where the meaning completely changes.

>>21432899
here u go my man
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intransitive_verb
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitive_verb

>>21432831
it isn't necessary. krashen doesn't use it. Kaufmann doesn't use it. its easy to mistake anki stats for actually learning the language. it's boring. it killed calvin (well, matt killed calvin but anki was one of the bullets)

>>21432899
こういう言葉を作らなくていいのに造ってやがったジャップの連中にこちとらだってやっぱりむかつく！！！ムキー！

>>21432902
>Ordinarily you would want to set this to somewhere between 50 and 75
lol more like 20 and 60
also https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1565222544

>>21432945
im not a e celeb fag who is calvin

>>21432964
Some nigga who got hyped up on learning Japanese so much that he forgot to actually learning something. He tried learning the Taiwanese variant of Mandarin Chinese too, but jumped out after getting scared off by tones.

>>21432962
who are you quoting

>>21432975
can you give me a link or something

>>21432964
>who is calvin

Here's a guide to names that show up on djt indicating which ones matter

Stephen Krashen: MANDATORY. Premier expert in the field of language acquisition. Has extensive research backing up his "input hypothesis." He tends to repeat himself in talks but it's worth watching a few until you fully understand that the only task of someone looking to acquire a language are either (1) find compelling comprehensible content or (2) find compelling content and use whatever method you like to make it comprehensible.

Steve Kaufmann (lingosteve): HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. Polyglot. Has a method to make content comprehensible and a commercial website that implements this method. The website is no good for Japanese, using Yomichan is better, but it's worth watching some of his videos to get a feeling for how language acquisition works for a solo learner in practice.

Khatzumoto: Early material HIGHLY RECOMMENDED, later material IGNORE. Has a method to make content comprehensible specifically aimed at Japanese and wrote extensively about maintaining the proper mindset for language acquisition. Eventually started making up garbage methods he could sell.

Tae Kim: RECOMMENDED. Wrote a Japanese grammar guide, it's not perfect but it's more than good enough to start making content comprehensible.

Matt Bonder (mattvsjapan): IGNORE. Reached a decent level using Khatzumoto's method but became monomaniacally obsessed with unachievable perfection. Pushes his own twist on the method which adds absolutely nothing useful.

Cure Dolly: Grammar material OPTIONAL everything else IGNORE. Has an approach to grammar that is in some ways superior to Tae Kim's but not in any way that makes any real difference. Going through her grammar videos after some conventional treatment might help clarify a few things. Also pushes her own twist to Khatzumoto's method which adds absolutely nothing useful and was clearly constructed in complete ignorance of linguistic theory.

Calvin (calvinajatt, calvinmia, sentenceminer, thesentenceminer, xiaovin, calvininput, boringcalvin): MANDATORY if you can find his writings, which tragically have been scrubbed from the internet. Just as Krashen presents several case studies proving the efficacy of input-based acquisition, Calvin provided an invaluable case study on what not to do. In particular he chose languages with no content he found compelling and became obsessed with Matt's methods over the languages themselves. His resulting struggles are heartbreaking to read but highly illustrative.

Any djt eceleb (jamal, quizmaster, etc): IGNORE.

>>21432978
Sure. Read what the man himself wrote.
https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqrv93

Calvin is the strawman of people that want to learn this shit with 0 effort.

I'm not quoting directly here

>UuuuH If u spend mor then 10 min a day seting up sheeit u will quit like calvin LMAO
>Uuuh if u use too much anki the evil calving monster will attk u tonite and take all drive 2 learn nihongu
>uuHHHH What do u meen anime cards take only 1-2 minute to set up on anki? THAT'S 2 MUCH YOU WILL BURN OUT LIKE CARUBIN

>>21431248
>>21431664
You guys don't seem to understand this stuff very well. Anime card benefits aren't just better retention rate, it's teaching you words in a way that will make you associate them with real Japanese and make recognizing them pretty much in any context easy. 2 second cards don't, they teach you associating words with a translation which might be even harmful.
Now let us just assume the only advantage of anime cards is an additional 10% retention rate. What effect do you think that retention rate will have over 20000 cards? On your daily review card count and review time, over time your total review time. And consider Anki's default ease behaviour, you will spend so much more time in Anki that the time spent making better cards ends up not mattering.

And just consider this. Anime cards are actually fun. Reviewing soundless word cards in Anki with nothing but a JMdict entry on the back?
Now that is pure suffering. And when you fail a card you don't get an anime context reminder. You just have a definition staring back at you and you will have to make do.

It sounds so bad and it is. Your arguments don't have any weight to them, in fact the only people you are convincing is yourself. An excuse to be lazy and not follow good advice.

Perhaps some anecdotal evidence as well, I talked to people doing pure word cards on my level. Their average lapses were like triple that of mine, their review count and time much higher. I spend less time reviewing and making my cards than they do reviewing theirs.

If you already have like a significant amount of mined cards (let's say like 10000), go into your card browser and sort by lapses. Check out how many cards with more than 8 lapses (leeches) you have.
Reveal after you checked and posted:
I have _11

>>21432978
https://youtu.be/HR1EoGNJWNM?t=3568

>when nips clearly pronounce つ as す
i'm PISSED.

read porn
ignore the dumb eternal beginners arguing about auxiliary bullshit that doesn't matter on djt

>>21433023
Should I play axanael?

>>21433009
yomichan and nazeka capture sentences for the backs of cards, plus the cards are added immediately so you can go and add recorded video or audio manually with a recording script if you want

>>21433029
I use Yomichan though.
How is that an argument against anything I said?

>>21433026
yes if you want to, no if you're only interested because of the memes
actually fuck it memes are a good reason too. go ham

>>21433023
My brutha.
Fuck methods. Fuck eceleb faggotry. Fuck using selected tools. The point should be to be able to fap.
Anything can and should be used as a tool at one's convience.

>>21433030
lol i was just assuming the people you responded to were talking about yomichan/nazeka mining because you mentioned jmdict and 2 second cards

would you guys ever use stimulants to enhance your learning capabillity and grind anki for hours on end
stimulants are the drug of choice in japan and everyone sells them you can look at it as immersion

>>21432984
You forgot my man George. He may not come up as often as the others but the thread degenerates into a shitshow when he does.

Here's hoping I didn't make that happen by saying his name.

>>21433023
porn isnt reading

>>21433036
rattata doesn't exist for no good reason

>>21433036
I have ADHD and should be taking stimulants so that I don't neglect studying for days on end. Instead I'm here.

>>21433039
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ-WBkcS018#t=1158

lmfao

Any good japanese youtubers djt recommends?

>>21433040
now it is

>>21433044
adhd is very real anyone who says its a meme doesnt deal with it
i got a 70mg vyvanse prescription and it changed me entirely

>>21433039
>but the thread degenerates into a shitshow when he does.
sup newfaggot. george talk is nothing compared to other eceleb shit.

>>21433040
Eroge are porn. Erotic prose fiction is porn. Anything that makes you dick hard can be porn. The word "porn" is more ample than the word "reading".
I've masturbated to algebra equations. Why wouldn't I be able to masturbate to and read high quality literature at the same time?

>>21433009
Yeah but I don't want to go out and find all those sentences. I'd rather just do vocab cards based on frequency lists. I never look at the sentence examples I put on my cards anyway.

>>21433031
Not that anon but the no save file thing triggers my anxiety like a mothefucker.
Is there a gimmick where you can go back or something or is it one of those you dun goofed and you can't fix it games?

>>21433052
cave technology

>>21433052
This picture fills me with a deep sadness

>>21433071
they call it saudade

yoshi time for reading

>>21433052
honestly if ur setup looks like this u basically doing it right

>>21433058
eroge isnt porn at all times tho

anyway thats all well and good but porn isnt reading

>>21433063
It's not about going out and finding sentence, but just having fun and consuming Japanese while also making cards for unknown elements.
Learning a language from frequency lists? Sounds like the most stupid shit.

>>21433074

chupa chupa chu chu churu churu gokun gokun

>>21433077
porn is reading just like manga is
hard literature isn't reading tho it's mental masturbation

Josh, time to do my anime card deck rep.

>>21433083
i came

>>21433091
>josh
kek

Josh, its time for my 24hour long immersion.

>>21433102
that episode is so funny lol
i miss that show so much

>>21433051
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHOOBhy-Bfg

i swear yesterday i was looking if drake and josh had japanese dub

>>21433023
cool image

>>21433079
Yeah, I did the sentence mining from context thing for a while and learned plenty of useless words that I never saw in other contexts, and didn't improve my reading speed. It's hard to make any gains by just mining from content when there are more common words I don't know.

>>21433102
>>21433104
>>21433106
ahhh zoomers and lil zoomer shows haha

>>21433122
Don't do sentence mining do anime mining.

>>21433128
>liking a show makes a zoomer
my father loves that show too, is he a zoomer too?

>>21433139
he only likes it cuz dads always love to like things their zoomer kids do

drake and josh has a jap dub i cant find it though

Finished my first rep of anime cards, I'm overflowing with my newly found nihongo powers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiVjPwEMMWg

>>21433105
watched the whole thing
what a dumb bitch

>>21433130
yeah, that's what I'd do going forward. I'll probably just add sentences to any hard vocab cards I have. I cbf to do full on anime mining if I want to have enough cards to make good progress each day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of_VGpoC19w&feature=youtu.be&t=36

>>21433105
i don't know japanese is this about flat earth

>>21433165
no

>>21433165
yes

who else here /justunderstandsit/

>>21433064
ur gonna be fine relax
>>21433077
theres a lot goin right in that picture but take care of ur spine

>>21433164
https://vocaroo.com/i/s0AH78es6PNb

>>21433170
Usotsuki
>>21433185
Good to know there's still good people around here who don't try to do epic trolling on dekinais

>>21433211
https://vocaroo.com/i/s1D4l2o8rthF

>>21433015
It's just a gentler low effort pronunciation isn't it ? A casual pronunciation ? Like how chi sometimes sounds like it has a "shi" type of breathiness to it

>>21433009
>it's teaching you words in a way that will make you associate them with real Japanese
Except you've already admitted you don't even read/listen to the sentences on your cards past the first time they show up and when you fail them, so in that case no it isn't. You're literally just doing vocab cards with a bunch of shit on the back of them that you ignore 90% of the time, and the trade-off for having all that shit there is that your cards take 20x longer to make and incalculably more effort.

>2 second cards don't, they teach you associating words with a translation which might be even harmful.
So this is your problem. You don't actually understand how vocab cards are used.
What you're doing here is projecting what you do with your anime cards (having an English translation of the word on the back and testing yourself on it) onto people who do regular vocab cards.

With vocab cards, you treat the definition on the back just like YOU treat the sentences on your cards. If you forget what a word means or are fuzzy on it, you glance at the definition to remind yourself, but otherwise you just ignore it. You can also optionally have a sentence on the back of your vocab cards to remind you of where you originally encountered the word, and this can be added to your card automatically using Yomichan's Anki intergration when you generate it, so there's no additional effort involved.

>Now let us just assume the only advantage of anime cards is an additional 10% retention rate.
Except they don't even have that advantage Plenty of people have your retention rate with normal vocab cards.

>What effect do you think that retention rate will have over 20000 cards? On your daily review card count and review time, over time your total review time.
This is all bullshit due to what I just said above, but all this fictional "time saving" you're making up here is completely negated by the extra time it takes to make your anime cards. Sorry.

Your cards take more time and effort than vocab cards to make and provide zero benefits over them. Your method is objectively inefficient, but you can't bring yourself to admit that because you've invested so much time and energy into it by now.

>Anime cards are actually fun.
LOL

>Reviewing soundless word cards in Anki with nothing but a JMdict entry on the back?
>Now that is pure suffering.
Strawman. You can automatically add JDIC audio for the words in your deck via Yomichan.
To me, spending 20 second per card manually creating thousands of anime cards is "pure suffering".

In the end, everything you say about vocab cards is based on your own misunderstanding of them, if not outright wilful lies about them, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you just don't know what you're talking about.

>>21433241
praised be
fuck anime cards

>>21433241
QM btfo

>>21433241
im doing anime cards, and they are pretty good for a beginner like me, they shine more when you find 2-3 words in a single sentence.

Word cards never taught me anything, It took me ages to finish a rep, but anime cards take me less than 30 minutes for a good rep.

>>21433241
>With vocab cards, you treat the definition on the back just like YOU treat the sentences on your cards. If you forget what a word means or are fuzzy on it, you glance at the definition to remind yourself, but otherwise you just ignore it.
u do have to take into account a lot of people dont know this
even nuke goin on a decade of anki tries to recite his definitions

何か大きな失敗した後には簡単に「自分はダメな人間だ」って落ち込んじゃうけど、「今日の場合はダメだった」って言い直してみよう。ダメなのはあなたそのものじゃない。

>>21433341
お前はtripをつけ直した上で書き込むするのだ、QM

日本語はむずかしい

>>21433359
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u44nj0ckVRc
MUZUKASHII YO

>>21433241
this comment isn't even worth reading lol it's such bullshit.

its OBVIOUS that having at least a visual reminder and the sentence, will help so much with understanding a new word, and will be way easier than memorizing a single context-less word by itself. stop bullshitting yourself.

>its obvious im right
>stop bullshitting yourself

when i release my 1 click script what will happen to the “anime cards take too long” talking point? what will they pivot to?
accept anime card supremacy now and we will welcome you with open arms

Didn't know DJT had mensa memembers

I just passed N3 this year, how hard is N2? Do I need learn more about structure or just memorizing difficult kanji is enough to pass N2?

>>21433389
get it to work with video games and vns and I will accept defeat

>>21433389
too much hard drive space lol

>>21433389
>>21433400
Dude if it can use OCR I will shit my pants

>>21433392
N2 isn't really difficult. Can you read books or manga comfortably yet? If not focus on that first, n2 is really easy once you read 1-3 books.

>>21433389
why would i pivot to anything? anime cards as they are now are a pain in the ass and aren't worth it, but if you can make them take an equal amount of time as regular cards then i'd use them "just because".

>>21433392
Mine Subahibi and Rewrite. Then you'll be ready for the N1.

>>21433241
i didnt read all this but pretty safe to say quiztard got fuckin owned lmao

>>21433366
the worst thing is when u realize hes talking like that on purpose

>>21433416
>Subahibi
Yess, you'll learn cool words like 師範代, 救世主, 変態女め、二形.
I should reread Rewrite in jp someday.

>>21433425
honestly the common route in rewrite is really good and enjoyable and its the biggest part of the game so thats always win when it comes to visual gaming

>>21433009
Pretty much what this >>21433241 guy said except having all the extra fluff on the back probably helps more the dumber you are. 3 digit IQ can safely just do normal vocabulary cards.
Here's your bonus gay lapse shit, if it's including core then there's a 7, an 8, and a bunch of 6's.
>>21433389
Then they'd be best and would only be beaten by eroge cards of the same type.

>>21433406
Not really, there are always some kanji I didn't know before I heard the sound first.

How hard listening section is in N2?

Like I said you are only tricking yourself. Do no context cards if you prefer but looking at how my progress compares to pretty much everyone in the thread I‘d say I‘m onto something. I’m kind of tired of explaining the same concept over and over again to people who are either to dumb to understand it or willingly refuse to understand it.
Have a good day lol I’ll consume some Anime ftw

>>21433445
based vocab-senpai

>>21433386
your argument is "context doesn't help learning" which is completely retarded and flies in the face of basically all language learning research.

Vocab Cards Have Context You Retards

>>21433448
what progress

u dont know japanese

>>21433448
>but looking at how my progress compares to pretty much everyone in the thread
I don't get why you say stuff like this. You have no idea who in this thread has put in the same amount of hours in the same amount of years as you have. For all you know you've simply put more effort into it.

>>21433448
QM the silent majority sides with you, only the vocal minority which also has some of the laziest DJTers from this era bullies you.

Keep it up senpai, been mining anime like crazy lately with your method, only thing I've changed is the background of your styling from black to gray, the font, and I also added an english translation for some hard sentences (Just so I can get the gyst of the sentence without looking the words everytime.)

>>21433448
djt btfo again

>>21433463
here's what sharex ocr got from this screenshot
>見とけを。とこに彼はいを。もしすると もうすっと前ら

>>21433463
he knows a hell of a lot more than you do.

>>21433471
>QM the silent majority sides with you
a strawpoll was posted indicating that the majority of people used regular vocab cards. i imagine it's actually the opposite of what you claim - the most vocal posters are ones who support quiztard's anime cards. his discord friend moe always kisses his ass around here for example, and jamal's fan jumped on that bandwagon recently too.

i think the silent majority simply don't care.

>>21433475
qm knows words Jamal knows Truths

>>21433471
so uve been "mining like crazy"

whats that done for u

>>21433475
https://streamable.com/vapwh replace calvin w. quiz tard and im george

im not his discord friend

>>21433486
jamal knows how to spam yomichan and pretend he knows japanese. QM is obviously better. this thread is full of such bullshitters lol

Why did Jamal ichibanest fan betrayed Jamal?

https://streamable.com/e8zmh

>>21433496
ive never used a blowup dictionary in my life

>>21432984
Quizmaster (quiztard): IGNORE. Creator of the 2100th tool to automate the creation of anki cards, any benefit of which is vastly overshadowed by his endless autistic splerging about how revolutionary and efficient it is. Makes the common mistake of overstating the importance of anki at all. Rage quits for about ten minutes about once a day.

Does sharex use that tesseract shit for OCR?

>>21433501
pffffffffft

>>21433501
anime cards btfo

>>21433463
It's like they were going out of their way to write 女 as retarded as possible.

>>21433483
honestly i still dont have a problem with anime cards >>21421606 if thats what u enjoy doing (tho i imagine its impossible to preserve the natural state of anime if ur always thinkin about what to turn into a card) >>21412289

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR1EoGNJWNM&feature=youtu.be&t=3911

>>21433539
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l66uAKjlyMs#t=101

>>21433539
https://youtu.be/BPyAFWqJ1fU?t=855
If her 年齢 is on the 時計, she's ready for the 陰茎.

>>21433539
https://streamable.com/wibfm

why did it piss off quizlet when i told him i didn't care

>>21433549
pedos should get the 死刑

>>21433549
*pounds red button on desk opening a trap door beneath ur feet sending u directly to hell*

>>21433560
*rawr x3 pounces on you*
*nuzzles your necky wecky*

both of you cut it out right now

>>21433052
the contents of this room, including the occupant, belong in a dumpster

>>21433571
much like ur posting

https://youtu.be/HR1EoGNJWNM?t=4143

did jamal catch this part

TEMERRRA URUSAI

hardest nihongo language words
頼む
も
でも
なんか
なんて

best font for anime cards? I've been using メイリオ, MIA sentence cards use Yu Mincho, while I've seen QM use Arial (I think).
What's the most efficient font for epic nihongo learning?

>>21433578
lol george was my dude all along

>>21433581
are you fucking retarded

How long does it take to be able to read Naruto?

https://youtu.be/HR1EoGNJWNM?t=4320
i just discovered what my name on djt should be. can't wait to become renowned here.

>>21433595
>Learn kanas (max 1 week)
>Learn 80 most used kanji (max 2 weeks)
>install yomichan
>download sharex
>get good res manga
>read

OPTIONAL

>Create manga cards, easy to make, and give you good context to learn words.

>>21433507
>splerging
What's splerging? Should I mine this word so I can make progress with my English? Also, the whole sentence or only the word?

>>21433655
coulda stopped at u dont need flashcards

>>21433655
they'd help

it'd be funny if someone here who got good by reading and watching anime made a video calling it the "DJT method" and criticizing MIA. not out of hatred for matt or any of that, but just to stir up the cult.

>>21433497
what are u talking about

>>21433675
>it'd be funny if someone here who got good
This statement is always false.

>>21433717
No splerging is when you buy a lot of stuff

>>21433692
Visiting djt just once makes it impossible to get good

>>21433757
>>21433737

>forget about reading
based, anki only ftw

>>21433780
You're reddit is showing.

>>21433794
Mine that sentence

>>21433815
>Who are you quoting?
>>21381180

cant even find the fucking drake and josh dvds anywhere
cant even find a place to buy them dont even know if they exist

>>21433823
How is that relevant to the thread? That was posted nine days ago. What do you have to say about that post?

>>21433779
That's absolutely right, "immersion" is nonsense. The thing you want is "comprehensible input".

>>21433840
>comprehensible input
what's the point of reading something you can already understand? incomprehensible input is better

>>21433842
"How new are you" is posted constantly though. I cannot comprehend why you would quote a nine day old low-effort post.
Again, what did you have to say about that post? Why did you quote it? It would seem to me that you were intentionally misusing the quote function, and are now trying to save face.
People quote kougou, yes, but they are not talking to other people by intentionally misuing the quote function like you seem to be, they are literally quoting matt.

>>21433815
You don't need to mine English words, but there's no harm in occasionaly consulting English dictionaries for unknown words.
In this case, this is the kind of word that would appear on Urban Dictionary, not the OED.

>>21433871
On what?

>>21433936
it's your ego dude

>>21433904
Just do anki for a week or two to learn keywords, and also look at tae kim, since nihongo grammar is kinda tough for english speakers

>>21433949
Why are you intentionally ignoring the 'Name' function? I want to know who I'm talking to.

>>21433934
projecting much ? anyway ur post has a label on it too so idgi

i just chose mine for myself

>>21433909
honestly i'm jealous. ignorance is bliss and i wish i believed meditation was good in the same way women think astrology is meaningful

>>21433996
>I am not ignoring it. I only utilize the name function when I believe it to be necessary.
An acceptable response. Thanks, Joseph.

>>21433990
have u just tried not getting ear infections ?

>>21433995
ppl who stop doing everything to meditate are small time

what u ideally want to achieve is self autonomous meditation that runs as a background process

>>21433999
nice dude seems revolutionary and amazing im sure this will help dozens of people

>>21433996
>>21434001
hi joseph and jonathan i didnt read any of ur posts

>>21433999
put a name on first and then post your guides, do you know even one thing about djt?

>>21433996
Wait so the "who are you quoting" autist is also a namefag?
>I don't really feel like taking posting etiquette from a namefag desu
>maybe you should stop being an insufferable faggot then I'll stop misusing the quote function

>>21434007
Jamal linked a video the other day that laid down the science behind this. You really want to develop your japanese like a child does. Starting off reading is stupid for several reading the biggest being it's slow as fuck. Learn the language and then start reading, 5k is a safe number.

lol u gotta be kidding me japanese

>>21434018
>You really want to develop your japanese like a child does
A child doesn't study 5k words before getting real input, are you actually retarded? Have you tried this method yourself?

It's official. We taking over.

if u post ur guide without giving it a name how are we supposed to talk about it
it's just not gonna compare to the named methods in mentionability
and ur guide will die in obscurity

>>21434025
Greetings, Benjamin!

Is there an ocr that isn't shit?

>>21434024
I said get the words in your head however you want to get them in there, but you have to get them in there first or you're not doing shit. By the way if you don't think "anime, jdrama's, etc." are only books are real input you're beyond retarded.

>>21434008
>ppl who stop doing everything to meditate are small time
stopping is necessary. a busy, active mind can not re-adjust it's patterns. it will remain in auto-pilot unless you pause and observe it.

>what u ideally want to achieve is self autonomous meditation that runs as a background process
yes, ultimately this is the goal but it doesn't magically happen on it's own. it requires practice before it becomes automatic, just like anything else. most people (not all, but most) who have never done formal sitting meditation but think they can just enter a meditative state on the spot are kidding themselves. there's likely still a ton going on in their minds and bodies that they're not aware of at all.

>>21434046
cus you posted them nameless
its not too late to save the world, jeff

>>21434055
???
>By the way if you don't think "anime, jdrama's, etc." are only books are real input you're beyond retarded.
I don't think that, I don't care what you read. Just start reading before you're at 5k vocab if you don't want to end up a failure

Anime cards are kind of combining learning like a child while also learning to comprehend complex concepts and the written language. I also think jumping into reading early is pointless as your reading will improve if you just learn Japanese but at the same time kids are retarded and don’t understand a ton of shit. A
disadvantage adult learners shouldn’t deal with

>>21434064
5k =/= fluent
It's also funny because this is coming from krashen himself and it's the krashenits zealots idealogy saying "just start reading from day 1 bro"

anime cards are actually just some stupid bullshit u do cuz ur retarded lol

>>21434071
can you quote where krashen said that

>>21434067
yea anime cards are great, really takes the natural learning approach which has shown the best results

I'm making a game that teaches you Japanese to replace the old guide

>>21434071
krashen didn't say this lol
it was one of the bitches in that video who said that with languages where you'd have to learn a new writing system you're better of putting of reading for a while

>>21434079
because sentence cards give away the answer, they are too easy and also take longer
putting the sentence on the front has only disadvantages

>>21434078
i mean i did post this a while ago so not sure what ur on about >>21433538


i just make posts based on what i see and feel at any given time

>>21434021
ケモナーじゃないのに、その鳥に射精したい

damn I‘ve just been lying in bed while shitposting from my phone for a bit now unable to get up
thinj I might be depressed

I’ll meditate for 10 minutes

>>21434096
japanese by about 1000 times

can someone post the key to quizmaster's trip? i wanna use it along with those other dudes

>>21434098
ill play devils advocate for a moment on sentence tards

some words i will think of all kinda things i remember it from

usually they are all more uncommon words but i think the principle of it is that its ok to recall things based on what else u remember around the thing as long as u know the thing in new contexts and can then recall the things around the thing that helped u remember said thing if u get what i mean

>>21434111
>if u get what i mean
i dont :(

>>21434111
agreed

Am I learning japanese?

>>21434111
yea i'm saying i've heard a few ajatt guys say that they don't particularly have issues only remembering words within the context of the sentences they rep. they are able to remember the word when encountering it in the wild.

however i am also just playing devil's advocate. i don't do sentence cards, but i've thought about it.

Anyways in the beginning the most important thing is planted the seeds of vocabulary. You can watch anime and media for years in raw and it will do next to nothing (I tried it). Once you plant the seeds of words and water it with content you'll grow trees of fluency. It's simple but true. Seeds without water, or water without seeds don't work.

>>21434116
no, but now you are.

only real djters will get this one

>>21434120
>I tried it
how much did you watch?

happy to report i am not a real djter

ok this thread is epic

>>21434122
チョコレートケーキ

>>21433904
People will tell you to seek out easier stuff. Personally I don't like the easier stuff so I just banged my head against this crap for months until suddenly it became comprehensible.

That mans I spent up to an hour going through a single chapter of a manga or close to 90 minutes on a single episode of a show just looking up grammar and words.

>>21434140
ただいま～
>>21434142

wanna give her aids

>>21434147
>>21434148
stop i'm getting hard again

>>21434130
http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/calm-down-and-hurry-up/

>>21433904
It's hard in the beginning and there is no real good method to start off unless you can find somebody to teach you like a kid learns or something. I'm at over 7k words and can learn by immersing in most stuff now but before that there is a wall that nobody really talks about.

watashimo

>>21434157
oh ive seen that mentioned not even that long ago

i was thinkin about girls lol

>>21433904
Reading japanese twitters is fun

twitter is fuckin gay

indeed it is, that's why I posted that pic

no i mean its really gay

gis this and check out the twitter it came from lol

parental warning explicit content lmao

also wanna say twitter is actually fuckin disgusting

>>21434167
>>21434179
Are nips really into these kinds of stuff?

Since Jamal is no longer Jamal does that mean I have no allegiance now? Am I my own man now??? Who and What is, "JAMAL", anymore?

I can feel that I'm starting to get good at Japanese. Fuck you guys I'm outta here before you drag me back down. Goodbye.

u were always ur own man

>>21433538
ur not always thinking abt what to turn into a card lol u just do the words that u have to hover over and it doesnt take much thought to think "thisi s a word i have seen ebfore and should learn or" "this is a one off word and i should not put this into my deck" or "its uselessb ut i like it *adds to deck*"

>>21434191
Everybody is, even muslims in the desert getting
beheaded for it. America is probably the worst.

>>21434191
From what I've seen mostly smut artists, lonely guys trying to get attention and retard teenagers
Just like over here but the ratio is much smaller

>>21434203
kind words, Geoffrey... but you know I always tried to do right by you, to do right by Jamal. I turned my life around and all for the better. Cheers forever, and see you next universe.

i mean u can still call me jamal but today at least i am geoff genki

>>21434118
>they don't particularly have issues only remembering words within the context of the sentences they rep. they are able to remember the word when encountering it in the wild.
exactly, i don't either. in fact i remember it better. context doesn't give you the answer, it just sets up an environment for the word to make sense. you're always going to be encountering words in context anyway so how could it be bad to study them in context? beats me.

>and also take longer
not if you bold the new words so that later you can just review those without reading the whole sentence.

>Let me give you a little story from the halcyon days of when AJATT was just me being me in Utah. My friends wanted us to watch Pulp Fiction together…in the living room. I like hanging out with people while not doing the same thing, so I was like…yeah, cool, whatever. I didn’t want to watch something in English, but I was willing to watch it with them, so I was going to read Japanese on my laptop while they watched. I often read and watch at the same time.
-khatzumoto

>>21434233
Fucking weirdo.
If he didn't wanna watch Pulp Fiction again, he could've just said it straight.

i actually think that doing pimsleur through completion and then some speaking lessons with tutors/friends before reading/writing is the most optimal path to follow. that being said i'm still gonna do my anime cards

The world is a cruel place. Please understand that but don’t despair because of it. You simply need to do your best to overcome all challenges the world throws because nobody else will for you! Stand up and fight young ninja

>>21434233
what the fuck is that? whoever that khatzumoto character is, he's finished
qm is less autistic

Who is the quizmaster and why does he hate reading?

ok, reading a bit of this khatzumoto guy is giving me some bad vibes. back to misa.

cringe

>>21434274
I love reading

>>21434276
fucking based

qm is a real tsundere, he's lovable

Doubting the young profit khatz.. shame

Fresh comprehensible input
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-ooCnZviZ8

>>21433128
Drake and Josh is late millenial core not zoomer

Wasn't there a show about gay man making straight guys cum?

i wish dumb weebs that think every parody porn dvd is a "show" would die

>>21434270
please don't give out advice when you yourself are clearly cloudy on your identity and purpose

>>21434391
>Learns japanese
>Thinks he's not a weeb
Just stopping by this thread to make fun of you

>>21434404
What’s wrong with giving myself advice on my blog

>>21434373
Zoomer here (born in 1998). I watched that shit back when I was 5-8 years old. I more or less remember it.

>>21434464

>>21434459
>Mom walks in on you studying Japanese

ぶんみゃく

>>21434483
I was caught once and my mother said she was relieved I wasn't gay. She climbed a ladder and peeked into my window, which I had my back towards and the monitor was facing it...

>>21434498
jej

>>21434498
>she climbed a ladder and peaked into my window

How many books have you yomu'd this year?

>>21434519
21
but only three of those were japanese

What VN should I read? I know someone in here reads VNs.

>>21434512
I was incredibly lucky because I normally do masturbate to gay weeb content and that was an exceptional, a truly exceptional moment where I had thought I'd look at some generic western porn instead. My face was saved fully.

>>21434527
I dunno but thanks for reminding me to finally play the 真・恋姫†英雄譚 series

>>21433909
I really want to try meditation, but every 1 second a thought comes and images, or sounds, should I focus on making a black picture and then just focus on breath?

>>21434519
>yomu
You are looking for himotoku

>>21434539
ok

>>21434539
>真・恋姫†英雄譚
I was thinking of starting one of them, but I'm not sure of my lack of Japanese history knowledge will be bad for me.

>>21433909
I wish jamal would listen to this post

>>21434527
>サクラの詩
Would you mind doing me a favour by seeding that VN's torrent?

>>21434554
this torrent works just fine
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/1847526

Could I get at least one more you on my new game posts I really thought you guys would like them...

>>21434544
>>21434544
Or you can see it as an opportunity to learn it?

さあ、私のAnki使い方にはよくないことをみつけました、JLPTforyouのデッキを使っていて新しい文法を習う度に同じ文章で習う、悪いのはその文章が足りない、ちゃんと意味や使い方を習うことに。どうしよう？？

>>21434527
hatsuyuki sakura, oretsuba, subahibi, or himawari

>>21434605
もっとノベルゲームを読め

>>21434607
initiating ぴゃー

>>21434612
これ。そしてankiを捨てて。

vns vs anime?

Its time for daily gif quiz.

In your own words, describe this gif.

reading vs listening

>>21434545
meditation is 4 ppl who cant feel right normally

im genki everyday

reading manga vs watching drama

>>21434709
mediate

Trust me I tried bros, I tried to play atelier, but man I suck at japanese, like, everything is somewhat easy and all, but the never-ending info dump at the beginning kills me, I just quit, then want to try again to just have to way 5 minutes because I didn't save anything.

>>21434712
thats a big negatory

>>21434534
you could just tell her you're gay and if she doesn't like it, who cares.

>>21434676
this guy >>21434605 already won unless someone writes a longer thing or just does it native-like

>>21434594
your new game posts <3

Should I be studying Tae Kim sections in a similar rote learning anki method ? or does it come naturally with close reading? I'm asking because sometimes I feel like I'm breezing through grammar a bit too quickly

>>21434676
武装熊は速い

>>21434732
anything you do before significant amounts of reading is merely building a shitty mental dictionary of word meanings and grammar concepts, don't do intensive rote learning until you know enough japanese that you know what you actually want

>>21434594
well I found some good tojinbos thanks to u.

>>21434676
バカ早い超元気な超ベイビーなシェリフ白くまちゃん

帽子をかぶる熊が銃を持ちながら走っている画像はゲイ

>>21434676
ヤンキーしろくまがはやすぎる

>>21434716
Rather wouldn't, she'll tell others and that always means random trouble from violent heterosexuals. Not having the normative sexual preference is hard because, well, yeah, people kind of want to kill you or at least give you a bad time, and they'll go out of their way for it. It's pointless.

>>21434777
if you're living in eastern europe or around muslims in western europe then i can understand the fear. good luck homo

>>21434594
upboated

>>21434732
As a person who has a much higher level of experience in another language, vocabulary is most easily built through study and rote memorization, but grammar comes most easily through practical application (reading, writing, and speaking). I'm assuming a little bit but I think Japanese is the same way.

>>21434786
Thanks.

>>21433241
It all boils down to how you like to consume your anime. Would you prefer to maybe remember 100 words slightly better and watch clips on the back of anki carda or watch 13 episodes including all OPs and EDs

>>21434676
プチょプチょ白熊シェリフが銃を持ちながら早く歩いている(天然意味ないオノマトペかもしれんけど）

>>21434811
the former desu. latter sounds like a boring nightmare because of the time it'd take.

update: i still cant find drake and josh
its like it doesnt exist no torrents no dvds
surely someone has it somewhere?

I can't tell is this is helpful enough to me to warrant the time to do it

>>21434710
do whatever you'll pay more attention to

>>21434822
we found him. we found the guy who lives in a timeline with no dnj. what's it like man

>>21434825
nani the fuck is this

>>21434825
fuck you doing
watch some anime

>>21434812
winner because jamal doesn't count and you wrote the longest thing

>>21434825
what we need is content to get ppl off training wheels

not keep them on training wheels

>>21434828
miserable,
its my fav show burger show, i know all the lines the gains would be crazy if i can get my hands on the jap dub with subtitles

>>21434822

>>21434825
use "multiply" instead of normal/blend

>>21434834
wow its like that lol

>>21434838
that isnt the jap dun

>>21434838
we want the Japanese dub though

josh!
time for my dnj reps

>>21434849
nothin thats why i was surprised when u slighted me like that like dang dude

btw i support the exercise thats why ill always participate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_LzrITD6Pc
J*mal is this you? (Don't ask me how I found this)

no thats not me

>>21434825
delet

>>21434676
白熊さんが走って、走りまくる中「まあ、結局何もできないじゃないか俺ってやつ。走るだけが私だけの大好物、そして走り続けばいつか届くはずだ、母さんが言ってた」とどうでもいい事を考える中、蛙[かえる]を道端に見えた。その蛙は「なあ、キミ、お前やさ、俺を池に連れたらこのボウシをやってたる」と言っていた。白熊は止まらず、ただ走り続けた。
「その蛙はどうでもいい、俺は走れば絶対に辿[たど]り着けるはずだ、でもな、そのボウシが絶対俺に価値を与えられるはずだ。」と白熊が少しずつ速さを止めて、蛙の場所を確かめた後、蛙のところに走った。「ねえキミ、お前やさ、池に連れてからこの帽子をやってやる。」とギリギリ声で喋った。「よし、じゃ俺の背中を乗ってて」と蛙が白熊の背中を登って、白毛[しらげ]を強く握り始めた。「しょうがないなあ、お前やさ、じゃあ見つけてきいや池]
白熊がすごい速さで走りだした。「でも、池ってどこにあるんだろうなあ」と考える途中だった白熊が道端に蟷螂[かまきり]を蛙のおかげで見えた。
「ねえ、お前やさ、その蟷螂ちゃんと見なや」と大声で出して、白熊はピンと蟷螂の前で動きを止めた。「ねえ、わたくしを谷に連れてくれたら、ぜひこの銃をキミにあげる。」と丁寧に喋った。白熊は蟷螂を手に取って、背中に乗らせた。
続く。

yt recced this 2 me as a result tho and now i can say for sure that japan is just an island of savages

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I446-UGC9Hw#t=114

we should have a djt freestyle rap battle

長すぎて;読まなかった

>>21434884
Chinese can't into 2d lol

>>21434878
ワロタ

>>21434878
長すぎんだよ

いったい誰が読むんだろ

Is it normal to still be unable to read anything but the most basic sentences after 6 months or am I just a retard?

何か言えよコラ

はーッ ??

Defend this vncoretards

>>21434993
if you found that card then you are one of us too brother

Is this the hardest kanji to write?

鬮

>>21434981
yes

>>21435007
it's only 26 strokes, there is 60 stroke kanji, but none of those matter anyways

>>21434981
Probably retarded or just using a bad learning method. Matt was fluent by that point and I will be too because I'm using the same method

>>21434676
おかしい動物がここに来る

Meditation is pretty fun.

>>21434901
Depends on what stage you're at, immersing with out knowing any words at all is fooling yourself.

>>21434981
sounds like it's time to revisit some grammar guides and learn more in depth about how て is used to link sentences
i didn't get to a point where i felt decent at reading until about a year and a half in, but the number one thing that helped me get better was pushing myself to read more complicated shit. the first few pages of haruhi nearly killed me, but by the time i was finishing the book i was able to read the final chapter in one sitting.

>>21435017
>m4tt
>fluent in 6 months
what kind of retcon is this?

>>21435007
that just looks like a block to me

the only thing that matters is how many words you know and how well you know them, time is the most irrelevant thing

>>21435026
give or take 2 and a half years who's counting

>>21434981
Depends, can you not understand the sentences because of kanji you don't know? Or do you not understand the grammar?

>>21434878
いろいろと日本語が怪しいことになってるとこもあるのにも関わらず一番ストーリーの筋が立った書き込みで発想力もあって、また、長さにおいては結構な加減までこしらえていて全体的に大変な力作感はある。実際、たまたま日本人がこのコンテストに参加したとしてもその仮定の日本人でさえ必ずしもそういうものが書けるわけではないと思う。君の投稿、文法こそめちゃくちゃであろうがその前には普通に面白いんだからだ。ということで、続きはあるかちょっとわからないけど（あるかもしれないと思ってとりあえずこれを即に送らなかった）、君は、もうこれで、優勝だ。おめでとう。

vn market must be really going to shit because apparently there's no good releases this month

>>21435084
how many years have you been living under a rock

>>21435084
there's a ton of VNs out there right so who cares

>>21435021
My psychologist keeps recommending it.

>>21435092
i've been downloading vns for years and hoarding them and i know every months there's new releases so it just surprises me

>>21435084
play that game you always said you would or switch it up by playing a 2d rpg maker game.

I used to think kanji were my teki, but they were my tomodachi all along.

good post ^

>>21435129
the opposite of teki is mikata, my dude

teki nanoni tomodachi dazo. isshoni ikou ze. maou wo bukkorosi ni.

>>21435017

𠔻䨻𦧅𩇔𩙤龘𩙣𧢱䲜𧆘𦧄𪓊𩇓𪚍𪚎𡔚𧮩靐𨐄𨰽𩇒𩎑𪓉𪺚𧆓𧟞𧟟𧢰𨈎𩙢𩱷𩱸𪛖𡔙𡬜𣌠𤴒𥎥𧲟𩁵䨺𩙡𩧥𪈿𪉀𪋻齉𪚌𣍜𤆁𥎤𥤡䖇𨰼𩙠䴒𪈾𪋺齾䶫𪚊𪚋

all those have much more strokes but strokes doesn't equal hard to write.

This one is also hard to write 飛.

Why dont you go on Japan Shrine in VRChat anons? You meet waifu bitches and plenty of bilinguals to learn from there

>>21435156

Meant to quote >>21435011

I can't even write 大...

>>21435156
is that japanese

In general, my kanji look like this.