/jp/ - Otaku Culture

They're all shit and you don't need adobe to play flashes.

>>21227711
I started work as a Flash dev. Before that I saw the golden age of Flash come and go right before my very eyes.

I caught Material Sniper when it was still in development, and was actually pretty excited for the other games by that same dev, namely the robot stg one.

I also still play this from time to time - http://dagobah.net/flash/dancing_onigiri_taketori.swf

Then there's that typing game which featured anime song, which was the reason why it got pulled with no existing backups.

I tried to archive some games, few of which I still have now, but a lot were lost through the years...

>>21227711
R.I.P Touhou Tuesday

>>21227891
RIP Walfas. Good riddance?

>>21227835
>few of which I still have now
Do you mind uploading those somewhere?

>>21227742
>you don't need adobe to play flashes
What the fuck does that mean? Of course you do. None of the alternative open source players is near functional. If you mean that Chrome has a Flash Player built in, well guess where it comes from.

https://megami.starcreator.com/nanaca-crash/
I still haven't read Cross Channel.

>>21229492
I use to play this all the time. Its amazing how many people I met that played this and never were in to anime/manga/VN/etc.
Recently found out that there is an official remake for Android and iOS.

man I still remember those hot summers browsing Newgrounds and I still check SWFchan from time to time.
Feels kinda weird that an entire era of the internet will just be gone soon.

I have a few Japanese things I could upload if people want. Although I'm not sure it would be worth it, it's barely anything, but if someone wants it I will. Also if anyone has the OP game that'd be cool, it was really fun.
While this is sad, and there are obvious dangers in using software that no longer gets security updates, how will this stop someone from playing things that use flash? Also why is it that, on the current version of Firefox something like Kisekae works fine but to open saved .swf files I've had to use Pale Moon ever since that big update Firefox had a while ago. I appreciate someone answering my probably stupid questions.

>>21231418
You can use the FLASH projector to view local .swf files
https://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/debug_downloads.html

>>21227835
A danmaku rhythm game, what a novel idea! This is a treasure.

>>21230529
>will just be gone soon
I don't expect it to be gone entirely and forever. The old player will continue to work and eventually someone will take the open source code that's out there and develop a modern, secure emulator.

I am kind of upset about the state of Flash media archival, though. For example, when I checked how Newgrounds itself converted their popular animations to video I found obvious glitches, wrong quality settings ("high" instead of "low" for pixel art) and, of course, broken replay/bonus buttons. But the worst thing is that losing the interactivity means no Easter eggs. Many classic SFWs that aren't games wouldn't be the same without them.

>>21231418
>Also if anyone has the OP game that'd be cool, it was really fun.
http://nextframe.jp/flash/matsnp/matsnp.html

Flash was a nice format for small interactive eroge with unique style. But really, I'm saying this only because I loved kooonsoft's Kino flash.

RIP kooon soft, eroero, pubis, JSK studio, zankuro, die-dangine, bingo torte and many others. I hope many will continue making cute little flash games with standalone projector.

>>21231483
>>21232452
Thank you both

>>21229492

>>21228098
Don't be a hater, walfas were good clean fun.

>>21229467
>Chrome has a Flash Player built in
I don't think it does anymore, they removed it about a year ago

>>21232568
>kooonsoft's
Oh man, that's one name I haven't heard for a while. Think they're still making new game last I checked.

>>21229492
>>21232630

Will Otome Function come out before flash is forcibly deleted from everyone's computers?

>>21232819
>Will Otome Function come out
Not gonna happen
>flash is forcibly deleted from everyone's computers?
Also not gonna happen

Finally the death of walfas

>>21232704

>>21227711
Oh shit.
I can't let this thread die.

>>21227711
Hey, I still remember when material sniper had a peak of popularity on 4chan. Around 2009, judging from my images' timestamps.

>>21234975
This is getting impressive.

You are all smalltime.

the thread must live on

So is there anyway to get the SWF files? I tried messing around with dev tools, but they never come out right.

>>21238996
get on my level

Why even bother posting nanaka crash records below 100km?

>>21245600
Post one over 100 km.

>>21243569
what swf files

bump

katawa crash is even better than nanaca crash, but don't tell anyone i said that

like tears in rain, scoob

Wasn't Flash supposed to die several times over the last three or four years?

>>21252161
yes op is retard

>>21252161
flash is reaching EOL in 2020

>>21229440
One of the stuff I have. You can save it like that, if you want.
>>>/f/3389002

>>21252517
Brings me back

>>21252161
No? 2020 is the official final nail in its coffin. That said browser vendors are already doing everything in their power to make flash annoying to use and perform poorly.

Why is flash dying?

>>21227711
>What were your favorite Japanese Flash games?

RIP Chibitami works.
I really enjoyed his games.

>>21253470
To say it's dying is a bit misleading. It's being killed off.

>>21259446
Why?

>>21260955
Flash was/is a massive security vector that Adobe never seemingly could ever fix along with being proprietary so no standards fourm could ever advance it when it was needed (new video codecs, encryption schemes, renderer apt support, etc, etc).
I have a serious soft spot for Flash since I was playing with content on it when Macromedia owned it, but it being killed kinda needed to happen.
That said, I love it and it's truely a slice of a good 15 years of the internet's life and deserves to live on. But unfortunately, it is a bit of a weird one for archival since not every flash swf had all of the data within it's own archive (dynamically pulled from other sources), and not many people cared to backup said swf files even. While I know it's taboo to mention them, the sub reddit, /r/DataHoarder/ does have several archives of thousands of flash sfw media. It would be in /jp/'s interest to help back up all the Japanese flash material and contribute to their shit, since the japanese sure as shit wont back up their own history, has been time and time again that the west has had to do it for them in the internet age.

>>21227711
>>21238204
Good stuff.

>>21229492
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjcWcBBaZvk

sage for posting cancer

>>21261917
Japanese and preservation of their old content. What a passionate topic they excell at dealing with (irony). Between host plateforms closing, artists moving on or simply disappearing, so-called personal problems causing the total wiping of valuable and enjoyable content and so on.

I think artists genuinely underestimate the impact their earlier or older works had on their viewers. It looks like they're the absolute last kind of people to experience any form of nostalgia.

The worst is that they get upset if you dare reprinting one of their older and lost works. They don't freacking care about preservation (I only know a few who do).

A good chunk of emerging amateur animation went through Flash for many years and I witnessed its downfall almost live.

Hard to imagine Flash was once hot to the point books were made about Flash artists and very quickly began to fade out even by the late 2000s.

I do have CD-ROMs with tons of those old Japanese Flash animations if interested.

>>21267164
>>I do have CD-ROMs with tons of those old Japanese Flash animations if interested.
I am very interested! Toss those in to an archive and upload them to Mega friend

some lost touhou flashes we've been looking for on /f/
https://archive.4plebs.org/f/thread/3386309/#3386386
https://archive.4plebs.org/f/thread/3386330/
>>>/f/3389223
>>/jp/thread/20413390

>>21267164
>>21267311
Seconding the motion. Please upload!

>>21267382
Thanks for tracking those down anon :)

I forgot I had this image from years ago

>>21269365
That's cute as hell.

>>21267382
>>21268706

There you go:
https://mega.nz/#!LNAThKZb!skFBUwWWYjZWf3pDyn9VVNM_UagwrusdaoV96FfMBIk
https://mega.nz/#!GUYH3YhD!UK2M0Ga7ymCrAp2RO1iEyUKegDlt9lBNqIjndsoMzLw

The first one is part of the "有名クリエイターがこっそり教えるFlash作成のウラ技" book released in 2006 by ASCII. This is supposed to be a book about teaching you the basics of Flash with help of famous creators of the time.

The second one is the CD-ROM complement of the "Encyclopedia of Web Animation" book released in 2007. Contains various info and profiles about creators of the time (websites, their productions, etc.).

Unfortunately you won't find all of the creators' creations of those 2 CDs, only a fraction of them, which is really too bad. However, their most significant ones should be there.

Many of them smell the good old times with their simplicity yet their incredible level of creativity and inspiration. Nothing was about showing off back then, only giving good times to its viewerbase and transporting the viewer into a brand new universe. All that with help of mostly stock music (coming from TAM Music Factory and others most of the times), colourful and cute characters, decent stories and no voice acting. Definite proof that you could do amazing things with very little. A far cry from most of lazy productions of today (MMD has tried to keep this tradition but it's getting lost day after day).

>>21267382
Some of us have to look for it on YJA or Suruga-Ya. That's the only way to get those flashes. Unfortunately, the 幻想郷フラッシュバック!! / 迷走ポタージュ CD seems to be rarer and less common than earlier ones.

>>21270543
Oh crap

http://iyasakado.com/steel/commuters.htm
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7321124
This is great. Why haven't I seen it earlier?

>>21270543
Thank you, anon, for uploading these CD-ROMs.

>>>/f/3389299

what do you think of koshiandoh? you know, the natsumi step! person who also did
http://koshiandoh.com/swf/manami/index.html

>>21270684
You're welcome.

Sometimes, the web still has its share of surprises. This site is still up and running:
http://maruproduction.com/

These still have SWFs:
https://fla3.net/flash.html
http://tetlapot.net/flash.htm
http://www.l-room.net/product/movie/ (you can still watch Kagi's earlier series "Sky flyer" there!)

Otherwise you'll have to try your luck with webarchive:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110704042605/http://www.wombat.zaq.ne.jp/saru/flash/anime/001.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20110603073214/http://www.morinono.net/?page_id=279
http://web.archive.org/web/20160426073337/http://sv.kerosoft.com/~okkunet/flash.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20120409053043if_/http://kurisute.net/movie/
http://web.archive.org/web/20120612002643/www25.big.or.jp/~kinro2/moe/index2.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20131024163704/http://www25.big.or.jp/~kinro2/mm3/

http://bluemaxima.org/flashpoint/

>>21270875
>>21270684
Good call. The golden age of Flash animation for sure.

Tsukinoha Shizuku 2 (2008 remake) in full quality: >>>/f/3389302
Morino Aruzi uploaded it to Youtube but in very poor quality.

I forgot these one in my previous post:
http://web.archive.org/web/20100210095316/http://www.niseyono.com/flash.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20090126040735/http://nzm-gm.com/ (from which I happen to own 2 of their released works on DVD from the time I was very curious about Flash animation, I can upload for the curious)
http://web.archive.org/web/20121216065524/http://citronnade.net/movie.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20190331101747/www.geocities.jp/takfla/index.html

Cherry on the cake looking for the famous (or not) Nightmare Anabolism series by Hataraki Ari, I stumbled upon this gem of security breach:
http://www.hatarakiari.com/Flash/

(note: he uploaded all his episodes to Nico Nico already but they are very low in quality)

>>21270985
That deserves a little commentary. It's a Flash game collection and downloader.

>>21269310
I think I have expressed myself badly; those flashes are still lost.

>>21271613
About that サディスティック永琳教 "flash" I'm afraid no SWF have ever existed of this, unless someone here explicitly remembers watching an SWF of this. It looks like Niji never gave the SWF to 松樹千年翠 (of which he was member) or they never felt the need to host an SWF on their website (and instead put it on Nico Nico), as this Web Archive capture suggests: http://web.archive.org/web/20110609205554/http://ssm.bz/product.htm

The missing element you see seems to be some sort of FLV player and there are 2 on the page. But both seem to be set to play MP3s rather than a video.
The only existing occurrence which seems to be the original source is this one: https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9995599

The only hope is contacting Niji in person (huge chances that either he won't let it go like this or he lost or deleted it by the time).

>>21267382
not touhou but another flash I /r/ed before
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9387052 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yE-aRFVq1A

>>21251758
*cracks cold one*
*sips*
musumate.... now that was a good flash anon

https://files.catbox.moe/gce1g7.swf
I'm Buddhist now.

I like KamS

Deserved

>>21270985
>>21271399
It's a Flash, Java, Unity and Shockwave preservation effort. It consists of thousands of Flash games, and they will take shit that was deleted from DLsite if you submit it to the Discord.
https://www.dlsite.com/maniax/info/sellend/=/month/