/jp/ - Otaku Culture

op cant thread number or make good thread either

suggested course of action: neck slef

next time u think about spending extensive time on flashcards watch this and reconsider

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8de2W3rtZsA

Mate that manga is so trash sigh. Though cute catgirl

A sword does not choose whom to cut..
But it does choose its owner..

i fucking hate my small sword
why did it choose me?

If I became a legendary sword I would surely not choose a cute catgirl loli as my owner...

>>21166457
Based and macho pilled

I can't believe entire chapters of novel are getting condensed to single pages of manga

I CAN'T DO IT

I CAN'T FUCKING DO IT

FUCK ME WHY AM I SO FUCKING STUPID

WHY

I'M GOING TO FUCKING KILL MYSELF

>>21166473

>>21166473
Layline?

ぎゃふん

>>21166486
that girl will cheat on him

>>21166505
Bitch as expected from females

>>21166473
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PS6gWXz67k

read some good

>>21166505
lmoa at least i got my 1 quality laugh out of this thread before the 1000 terrible posts really start trickling in

if I became a legendary sword i would DEFINITELY choose a cute catgirl loli as my owner

>>21166398

>>21166533
あきんど
かりゅうど
i like those readings, they sound cool

>>21166398
Don't start new threads while there's one already up.

>>21166398
>>21166545
also
>edition
back to >>>/v/ with you, /v/ermin.

>>21166473
https://youtu.be/G5IPArDxO40

The Biggest Mistake People Make: Language Learning

>>21166533
商い中

op didn't even link to the old thread. literally never seen a worse OP. even daily jamal thread is better

Yeah delete your thread idiot

>>21166398
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-fq2mtoADo

good thread man keep it up

haters gonna hate, keep the thread up.

>>21166436
but what if deciding deciders know better how to not be a dekinai than you

>>21166622
proof ?

>>21166626
if they get to decide that means their decisive decisionmaking is better than yours.

>>21166639
*flash steps behind u*

yah i can see that

the fate of card drones and their mia timeline

my mom is making sloppy joe and i'm pretty excited for it. i should finish rereading the 星の声 transcript for the 2nd time but it's hard to find the motivation. currently on line 795 (technically 397). if i keep reading for another hour or two i should be able to do it but i love djt.

>>21166533
陰謀だ

>>21156440

That time you reallize that there really isn't any kind shortcut for japanese and you need to slowly slug away word by word. Man get's me depressed

>>21166683
that's the way it is when you don't like anything

read 100k characters of my VN yesterday thanks to drinking lots of coffee. the stimulant method truly works

Have you read the source material of your favourite Japanimation adaption yet?

>>21166692
Was reading okayish but then i crossed a section where the author was describing a medieval town and encountered 300 new words i see for the first time and in my autism infested brain didn't let me skip so yeah. Ended up braindead. Just when i though i was going somewhere reality crushed me once again

>>21166699
yea

>>21166692
nah u still "slug away" word by word the difference is u aint thinkin about that and instead are thnikin about playin and havin fun

how do i type in japoglyphics like the rest of you?

>>21166725
you have to buy a japanese keyboard.

>>21166725
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3ZuELh7rhI

To all Anki drones here

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWLK9hu6gII

>>21166652
based

>>21166725
just buy one of these

>>21166725
fcitx-mozc

>>21166748
whys this guy get so triggered when u ask him about pewdiepie

>>21166776
because pewdiepie is racist.

oh fuck racist ppl

stop using this thread please.

>>21166796
no

>>21166796
fuck u i wont do what u tell me

>>21166748
So basically what he's saying is that you can use flashcards as a kind of "intensive exposure" exercise, but the main way you should be learning words is by being exposed to them while reading because learning them in context is much better.

>>21166804
Haven't watched the video but, isn't that common knowledge?

>>21166815
Certainly not here.

https://streamable.com/0tcpr

>>21166838
whys he so fuckin upset

>>21166847
cuz his underage retard fans keep asking about something irrelevant to him

>>21166847
straight from the russian underground

why doesnt some1 just tell him about pewdiepie so he can be "with it"

Anyone else use the Google IME on Windows 10?

Where the fuck are the settings?

Learning Japanese to figure out what desu means in the proper context.

desu desu~

"Does master want Suiseiseki to give him a footrub-desu?" she purred.
"No thank you," I said. "I'm rather tired. You should retire to your box."
"But master-sama, Suiseiseki doesn't like her box-desu! I want to sleep in master-sama's bed-desu!"
"Not tonight. You'll do as you're told."
"Why doesn't master-sama have real girls in his bed?"
"What?!"
"Is master-sama's penis too small for real girls?"
"Why aren't you saying desu?"
"Does he have to use dolls instead?"
"SAY DESU! SUISEISEKI FINISHES HER SENTENCES WITH DESU!"
"Master-sama showed Suiseiseki his penis once."
"DESU! MASTER-SAMA SHOWED SUISEISEKI HIS PENIS ONCE DESU!"
"It was too small even for dolls."
"SHUT UP! SHUT UP! YOU'RE NOT SUISEISEKI!"

With my right hand I snatched a pair of scissors from my desk and mashed them continually into her face. Her little body was smashed into kindling but I did not stop. Until her screams began to sound a bit like my voice, and I remembered that dolls did not scream, and they did not bleed. Suddenly there was feeling in my left hand for the first time in weeks. I lifted it out of the doll's wreckage, covered in splinters and dripping from scissored wounds. How long had my hand been inside there? How long had I been inside here, alone in my one-room apartment, talking to myself, going mad?

The bolt scraped rust from the latch as I stepped outside. My eyes hurt, god the horizon ... it was a deal larger than 19 inches diagonally. But after five steps my breath quickened and my chest tightened and I turned back. Enough for today. Tomorrow I would try for six. A distant memory told me that when I reached two hundred and eighty, I would make it to the bus stop. And then I'd be free of this apartment, of this prison. And then there'd be nowhere in the world I couldn't go.

Least of all the refunds counter at Moemart in Akihabara. For fuck's sake. Suiseiseki finishes her sentences with desu.

>>21166938
yukari from rosario vampire does that too (a lot)

why cant i make a login at daiweeb...

>>21167034
I personally prefer Adderall. I don't know how it's "out of control". If you can't get your hands on an Rx stimulant for some reason, you can try half pills of Bronkaid available at your local pharmacy.

>>21166776
Does he? What did he say about him?

What are some good beginner novels?

>>21166804
Steve's approach is almost right, but for Japanese it's a bit off due to kanji.

For normal languages, exposure cards are best. For Japanese, etc., reading cards are best.

Core 2K deck - Kanji or Hiragana to learn? I have the deck to show me the Hiragana because I don’t know all the kanji characters, but when it prompts me for something like “き”, I don’t know if it’s asking for spirit or tree.

Has anyone had luck with the Core 2K deck, and how to set it up for a beginner?

>>21167139
Whatever you find interesting.

>>21167152
Fuck off

>>21167154
Oh well I'll just read Re:Zero

>>21167139
visual ones

>>21167152
you need to do kanji cards for the reason you've already discovered. japanese has a ton of homophones and you have no means of differentiating them in the absence of context without kanji.

don't worry about not knowing kanji. your brain will learn to them as you go through the deck.

btw, vn core > core

vncore has words like brothel and prostitute, semen, as the top 100 words though

I cannot decipher Hiragana only text

>>21167188
like?

Like text that is made up of only Hiragana

what about katakana only text

That's like really really rare so I do not know yet. But really, playing fucking Pokémon is very exhausting and confusing.

>>21167198
You mean that you can understand what he hiragana sound like and how to write them in roman letters but you can't understand what they mean?

>>21167209
read it like you are an anime character

>>21166698
>anon discovers coffee gives buzz

is there any good poetry in japanese? i dont mean super short shit like haiku or whatnot. I mean something of at least a couple of pages long at least.

>>21167165
Are you referring to a deck titled "Japanese Visual Novel, Anime, Manga, LN Vocab - V2K"? I've been making my own flashcards from words that pop up in visual novels for a while now and found it to be very effective. This could be good for rounding stuff I really ought to know.

>>21167152
If you're having problems with kanji I suggest writing them out (don't overdo it, I do it like 3-5 times).
It lets your brain break it down properly rather than memorizing it like a picture.
Ideally you should do it for every kanji, but when your brain starts to notice the radicals and remembering how they piece together instead of as a vague picture you can starts skipping most of the easier ones.

Just don't skip kanji cause they look hard, you will need them eventually, and the earlier you start the better.

>>21167188
just read it out loud it's like listening practice

>>21166804
Honestly even the "intensive exposure" thing is starting to feel kinda off to me (and I'm an anki drone).
Most of the english definitions for words are kinda off, you really start noticing this when you read, and there's also words with different connotations but same meaning that are not expanded on in the decks I've used (vncore/core6k).
I guess j-j decks kinda cover this, but even then, do you really know all english words by definition alone?
Do you even know most english definitions off the top of your head, or do you make them up on the spot? Did you cram english definitions as a kid?
The only other anki related way that makes some sense is sentence cards, but you're just memorizing translations at that point, which also seems kinda off...
So are we supposed to just do 100% learning through exposure, or mix in definition memorization as a necessary evil to get through the early boring parts of learning through exposure?
I'm honestly kinda lost on the issue.

>>21167289
it's obviously easier to learn something if you already memorised part of it. if you're reading and you have a vague idea what a word means and also it's pronunciation it's going to be much easier for you to actually acquire the vocabulary even if it requires you to see it many times before you actually grasp the nuance of it

anon...

Where my anki grinders @

english definitions are merely a stopgap until you acquire the word dumb fuck. if you listened to matt you'd know this. if you can tolerate not understanding jack shit for several years then go ahead never use english dictionaries or flashcards but i suspect you're not gonna do that

春と

夏と

秋と

冬が

いつもと

同じように

移り変わっていった

たまには

スキップして

驚かせてくれよ

>>21167356
kirei!

>>21167356
Don't worry soon we'll skipping half of the seasons with all the global warming.

>>21167289
sentence cards aren't about memorizing translations dummy

i feel like a nip learning english can so easily look up definitions for any god damn word he comes across, at least judging by that daisuke guy's videos. but i'm constantly coming across fucking filler faggot ass words that i can't find the definition of

is there a way to pause aniki? i wont have time to do it for some days and wont be able to do 10000 reviews once im back

>>21167388
>global warming
lmao

aniki has been paused forever already

>>21166436
i came to this thread hoping to find motivation for learning japanese but now all i want to do today is listen to RATM's s/t and Evil Empire back to back for the thousandth time

Many people have pointed out the issue with the #MIA hashtag (irrelevant stuff comes up).... So from now on, let's use #MIApproach !!

Never go full mia. Or like at all. It's just input but worded differently so he can milk brainlets.

>>21167435
Just lower the review cap to 0 and use the custom study to increase it to however much you wanna do every day until you catch back up.

protip un install anki

sono kawari
manga yomeyo

ie
eroge yomeyo

>>21167463

he must have skipped over this article >>21166652

ポテイト　ポタと
トメイト　トマト

only 0.1g left of dank left
>懐かしい感じです

トマトとピーマン

23 Transwoman Sweden Stockholm Finnish Art 日本語 Languages Games MIA/AJATT

立っているんです

おたのもします

Matt really needs to take responsibility. My son has been claiming he's having a terrible time transitioning and he told me about this MIA shit and Matt's "monolingual transition" methods, whatever that means. I'm fucking disgusted by what this guy is doing to kid's minds and I'm considering speaking to a lawyer about this.

>>21167665
お父様 助けて

>space between words

theydoitinsubtitles

>usingsubtitles

usingmemearrows

worst thread ever

thatwasntmebecausememearrowsareaokay

満天

>>21167244
"vn core" is a completely unrelated deck located in the now-hard-to-find-because-he-kept-fucking-up-the-navigation cornucopia of resources on the itazuraneko site

天竺

don't get me wrong, that conceited little arrogant fuck responsible for itazuraneko should make his site actually navigable.

but i still don't know how in the fuck people see "vncore" and get "v2k" out of that, particularly in a thread with a guide linked. jesus fuck.

>>21167749
Worth tracking down in your opinion?

渡印

i love and appreciate itazuraneko

>>21167769
90 iq?

>死んでたまるか戦線
How should I interpret that?

>>21167777
It means he's on the frontline with a high chance of dying but he's thinking 'Fuck if I'm gonna die here, getting out of this motherfucker alive'.

What the fuck does itazuraneko even mean

>>21167797
Actually, it is the name for a group of people. Like "front of the ones enduring death" or something...
I'm so bad at this lol

prank cat

mischievousonahole

>>21167765
i mean it's not THAT bad he should just fix it. i don't care if he doesn't actually fix it, i just feel like pointing it out whenever it's relevant

also yeah how people confuse the two decks is beyond me, maybe it's time for someone to post vncore on reddit or something (that's where v2k was originally posted)

>>21167815
Then that is the feeling that the name of that group is expressing.

>>21167769
Not the same anon, but if you wanna get into reading the usual shit people go for (LNs, VNs, etc) it's way better than core2k/6k (which is apparently based on newspapers instead).

It's not that hard to track down either, just check the resources tab of the guide.

>>21167818
Honestly it keeps getting worse with every change. It was halfway decent half a year ago.

>>21167836
remember when everyone was like "okay. right now, the site is almost perfect. please stop changing it" and then he kept changing it
good times

>>21167821
That makes sense. Thanks!

>>21167827
Thanks. I was an idiot for not realizing the name of the guide site despite having used it in the past quite often, and for assuming everything can be found with a search engine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVP67qMRQkU

this guy is a beast at learning japanese AND exercising

Stupid question.

Has anyboy heard/use Kanjidamage before? I some how had it bookmarked for a while and I decided to downloaded their anki deck yesterday and well...they're strange to say the least.

>>21167853
Ye, you wanna get used to the guide layout/contents.
Shit design aside, it has a lot of really useful resources you'd be hard pressed to find otherwise.

>>21167843
Is it still the same guy tho?
I thought he gave up on it a while back.

木
樹
気
期
黄
記
機
奇
基
紀
鬼
貴
騎
希
危
忌
季
企
聞
聴
訊
切
斬
着
帰
起

>>21167885
i'm talking about the current site. not an old site.

来

>>21167888

>>21167890
Yeah, the itazura guy was looking for a replacement too a while back I think

煩悩

>>21167915

Syzygy
Tmesis
Bucolic
Chatoyant
Cynosure

>>21167863
lol what a meathead intentionally showin off his guns in the first 2 secs of the vid and then what a surprise he wants to do the sasuke show lmfao

didnt watch the rest of the vid but im gonna assume he didnt demonstrate any proficiency like the rest of em

>>21167863
at 9:03 he puts a sentence on screen and brags about being good enough to guess an uknown kanji's reading but i absolutely suck dick after having read 1 garbage VN yet i immediately read it as き based on the context.

gayline guy fighto lol

I want to play erogames to learn japanese but I live with my parents.

feelsbadman

i wouldnt say that particularly matters ?

Just press win + d

feelsbadman?
could you please leave?
lol?

just play a hentai game with ur dad lol

win d wont hide my kattai chinchin

>>21168043
Turn your monitor / pc desk away from the entrance and use headphones.
Also pick some headphones that are comfortable wearing sideways on one ear only because the anxiety of not noticing someone entering your room, or worrying about your headphones getting unplugged and your PC blasting ONIICHAN KIMOCHII (even though you don't even have speakers connected) never goes away.

dont forget to poke a hole in ur hoodie for the wire to run thru

>>21168043
I've been reading them for years and I live with my parents too.

why would you care about playing VNs if you live with your parents? my dad even helped my when I was going through the monolingual transition

>>21168182
>my dad even helped my when I was going through the monolingual transition
wtf is your dad a ching chong?

throwback time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3dQ_l5_eAk

Does Duolingo work if you already know two languages like can it make you more than duolingual

>>21168251
it doesn't work for much of anything in the first place

idk ask lingual steve

really enjoying the "non-hentai" doujins on exhentai. it's really compelling but i don't get so distracted i start wanking and skipping all the text.

if ur havin fun ur winnin so hard

>>21168288
Yeah there's even a lot of artbooks and similar stuff that's very hard to find anywhere else

>feels like i've been learning so long with little progress
>realize i only have like 360 hours of input in the past 6 months which is nothing

亡ぼす
滅ぼす

They mean the same thing but is there any meaning behind using one over the other?

>彼女が「どうぞ」と言ったときの感じ

>>21168403
亡 generally means people dying, 滅 is for stuff like overthrowing the government. And I haven't ever seen ほろぼす written as 亡ぼす.

>Ａはその場を動けなかった

Does this mean "A couldn't move to that place"? What's with the を?

>>21168449
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/grammar/dojg/dojgpages/basic%E3%82%922.html

どす

>>21166268
dudes gonna drop azanael before he finishes his first scene
>>21167185
what are u reading where those arent common ?
>>21167322
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcVWhZn_5Vc&t=50

>japanese oral and written exam in one and a half month
>N3 level
>barely managed to scrape by in Genki 1
>havent read at all in genki 2
>vocab dosen't exist
死にたいな

>>21166505
>>21166510
>>21166518
i don't know the story but if she did, who cares? are you so resistant to love that you find any reason to reject it? possession =/= love btw

>>21168611
whatever cuck

save me from these youngasses

>>21166725
whats this manga

>>21168606
whats ur problem
>>21168611
whats ur problem

>>21166683
depression like that only comes from unrealistic expectations of yourself. you haven't been absorbed in japanese for 40,000 hours of your life, so its extremely unrealistic to expect to know as much as someone who has. you are a JSL LEARNER.
the sooner you accept that and make peace with it, the more 楽 your learning experience will be.

it also helps to stop tryin to "learn" nihongo and just read and watch good shit and let ur brain do the rest lol

chrono nigger

wee dert

Hey guys doing my first reading and all and i came across a double negative in a way I haven't seen before and I don't think Tae Kim covered it
>その話が本当なら、若くして命を惜しむ理由もわからんでもないが
>if what you're saying is true, having regrets about dying young is understandable
is what i got from the sentence
if i had to break it down more literally
>理由もわからんでもないが
I don't *not* understand that logic
as in she understands that logic
Is that right or am I wrong?

>>21167888
i could think of a word i know for every one of those kanji with that reading :) yay i know words

>he doesn't 龘
pathetic

>>21168615
sorry you hate yourself

>>21168691
i do but who cares?

if i dont tonite

>>21168675
the first part before the comma is the key

>>21168675
You're right, you will see this more. It's a Japanese "phrase pattern".

反物質

今日ゲイだとしたらどうする

死ぬ

>>21168675
わけ
理由もわからんでもないが

ass wo taberu

>>21168742
日本語ことができるんです

>>21168393
Yea less than 2 hours of input a day isn't even maintenance mode. 3 hours is required just to not get worse. You really need 10+ hours a day to notice anything.

>>21168711
you should, that's a crappy way to live :/

Why did nihonjin chose these kanji together to make "pervert"?

助 help, rescue, assist
平 even, flat, peace

who here actually does anki for word readings only
like doesn't even put definitions on their cards

Daily reminder if you waste time studying pitch accent you're not gonna make it.

>>21168795
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%81%99%E3%81%91%E3%81%B9%E3%81%88

>>21168789
its been years so 慣れてしまった

According to the dolly, you've got to pronounce+differentiate long and short vowels properly every time, and don't insert or omit any chiisai tsu. Then you'll be comprehensible. If someone does that much perfectly, I guess they'd think about pitch accent.

>>21168814
Cringe. I can get not liking yourself but to go as far as hating yourself is just tumblr emo tier cringe. I guess you can always neck yourself.

>>21168831
>implying that's difficult
I'm just getting into output but that stuff is ridiculously easy compared to pitch

Somebody post the video of matt crying please?

I can't hear pitch accent and I have no trouble watching anime or variety shows
How the fuck do I learn to hear it?

>>21168843
well i don't want to kill myself so i'm just waiting to happen naturally

>>21168849
practice it and you'll notice it

>>21168848
Lol I would really like to see it was well.

>>21168854
How do I practice something I can't hear?

>>21168878
listen to a native phrase
repeat phrase paying attention to pitch like a song
If you still can't hear it then change your own pitch
you'll notice how different it sounds pretty quick
I lived there for 5 years so maybe it's different for me but I doubt you can't notice it if you try

>>21168878
神風 based af, listen closely
https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=-y3b7uarL7c

>>21168798
no ones smart enough to do that

>>21168878
Listen to the first 10 videos in this playlist to learn what to pay attention to. Then you should be fine on your own.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeK-ilb1gk6md2oCbjPh4Rl0lnXXOV22P

先駆け者はいつの時も叩かれる
羨ましさと疎まれて

>>21168907
>not listening to all 58
dekinai

>>21168890
great advice
>>21168878
like he said listen to a short clip of japanese, and then repeat everything they said but as monotone and level-pitched as you can. then listen again. you'll notice the difference pretty quickly

I like how somebody in the thread said it's a waste of time to study pitch accent and then everybody starts to study it. lol classic djt.

weve been discussin pitch accent at least once a week since matt started postin about permanently crippling urself though ?

reverse psychology in motion

>>21168890
>>21168919
I don't really care about speaking right now, I'd just like to actually hear pitch when nips speak

おにいちゃん

おかしー

soudana-
chinchin mada mada kattainda, dousunda

はいどうぞ
＊チンポをズボンから抜く＊

>>21168951
the repetition i recommended is only to help you hear the difference in no pitch vs native pitch. not for you to get better at speaking.

I vocalize all of my reading. 変?

What purpose does changing the reading have? For example 後 having のち or あと but they both mean the same thing.

>>21169011
to confuse baka gaijins

>>21169014
But seriously, are the Chinese and Japanese readings interchangeable or is there a certain reason why one is used over the other?

>>21169017
language wasnt designed it evolved
you use the reading that sounds normal in the context you use it in

>>21169020
>muh context
I figured. This language in a nutshell.

>>21169017
Neither of those is a Chinese reading. のち and あと are two Japanese words that mean more or less the same thing. 後 is a kanji that also has that meaning, so they both get attached.

>>21169028
>のち and あと are two Japanese words that mean more or less the same thing
Interesting. Are there more words like this or is this kanji in particular an exception?

if people could get their heads around the fact that kanji are used to represent sound and not the other way around they would have a much easier time with their nihongo

what are the difference between ので and から ?

>>21169042
Who the FUCK thinks that sounds represent kanji?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrHwPv7gUCE
>He keeps looking down to his script
top kek
I bet if enough people called him out on it he would damage control and say it was an April Fool's joke video.

>>21169057
most beginner-level foreign learners of Japanese I've spoken to seem to, even if inadvertently, work from a mindset that the written language comes before the spoken one. see above, if you understand that のち and あと are simply two completely different Japanese words that get represented with the same kanji, and not 'two different sounds produced by the same kanji,' this kind of stuff is a lot less bewildering

>>21169087
It baffles me that anyone would ever think that spoken language is a representation of written language.

パソコンを消す、電気を無駄にしなくてください

For how many of you is Japanese your 3rd language?

>>21169094
well, like I said, I don't think they do it on purpose, it's just because most foreign learners have close-to-nil exposure to Japanese as a spoken language and primarily interact with the writing. I actually just had a dumb argument the other day with some chinese dude who was insisting that the statement that "kanji are a representation of spoken words, not words themselves" was false. you can also see this phenomenon in people who express the amount of Japanese they 'need to learn' in order to do something or another in terms of the number of kanji, not the number of words, they need.

How do I get over my Anki fatigue?

おかしー

こんぺいと

>>21169169
まずそう

>>21169118
you're wise and observant

>>21169110
me

>>21169118
>well, like I said, I don't think they do it on purpose, it's just because most foreign learners have close-to-nil exposure to Japanese as a spoken language and primarily interact with the writing.
this is why if i could change one thing about my study journey it would've been to do a shit ton of listening with transcripts at the beginning, and only paying attention to/learning words with hiragana for at least 6 months, if not a year
then i wouldve set the firm foundation in my brain to represent japanese as primarily speech and phonetics

子宮がたぷたぷ

>>21169230
じゃあ

ぼうろ

えいごでなんていうかおしえて

>>21165713
You literally don't need to know about it in order to hack it out with handwriting recognition. Did you literally not see the posts earlier? In >>21163653 I practically drew a rotated and flipped よ instead and it picked up. >>21163641 made a literal scribble, >>21163661 made something resembling an astrological symbol, and >>21163665 made it a fucking dot; all three got picked out correctly.

これ食べ終わる後、秋葉原に行きます。皆んなさん、オススメ場所がありますか？

>>21169344
No, because I haven't been to japan yet.

>>21169110
It's my 4th.

I made a progress chart out of the image earlier. My goal is around 8.5.

>>21169110
Technically 4th, but in practice 3rd.
I had to study two foreign languages in high school. English was an obvious first choice, and there was little variety for the second one so I picked Italian. I never liked it and never used it outside classes. Now I remember less than 10 words and like two conjugations, so I don't really consider it a language I have any proficiency in.

>>21169344
とうきょうはもう

さくらちっちゃってるとおもう

仙台くらいまでいけばさくらさいてるかも

>>21169640
桜がそんなに面白いものか？

>>21169342
Stop you don't know anything about horny noobs not knowing handwriting tools. I didn't know about google handwriting tool until a few months into djt. There was only jishos radical look up tool. Please stop posting your nonsense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnZuLUHEpFs

>>21169320
何だそれｗ

can someone help with tl?

>いきなり湧いて出てきた謎の幼○が、幼○の分際で年上風をふかせたので、つい大声だしてみたぞ

>>21169725
just one thing, google handwriting is fun but you need to have a good sense of stroke order or it doesn't work, when I find a new kanji there's a big chance I can't find it with the handwriting because I haven't paid much attention to the stroke order rules, I was able to do >>21163661 because I saw the stroke order
stroke order is everything in google handwriting, when you search with radicals do see the stroke order sometimes to get a better sense on it

>>21169996
I don't think google translate is actually that stingy about stroke order, at least not on the level of individual stroke errors. I know Microsoft IME was, but I've tested Google and you can write pretty much every component in completely the wrong order and still get the correct kanji to come out. It really doesn't like it if you draw the components in the wrong sequence, though. Like I can draw 口、世、木 in any kind of fucked up way, but as long as I do them in that order it gives me 喋. But if I go in the order of 木、世、口 it doesn't work at all.

How do I practice grammar?
I'm having a hard time motivating myself to continue reading through Tae Kim and even if I manage to do it, I immediately forget the rules a couple of days later.
>inb4 you don't need grammar, just read

Yeah, reading works fine without learning grammar, since you understand it anyways, but if I actually want to write/speak coherent sentences I need to know the grammar.

>>21169945
>いきなり湧いて出てきた謎の幼○が、幼○の分際で年上風をふかせたので、つい大声だしてみたぞ
A mysterious little girl who appeared suddenly acted as if she was older than me, that was contrary to fact, so I couldn’t help shouting loudly.

>>21170051
you learn the grammar by reading dumbfuck
language production is literally just repeating known-good patterns that you have learned through exposure and making novel changes to them

>>21170051
Read/listen until you recognise that a piece of grammar exists, then go look it up. Reading explanations of grammar you don't even recognise won't do much, but you can watch Dolly's videos beforehand if you want.

>>21170073
>>21170074
I don't think that works for me.
I can understand from context in what form a verb is conjugated, but I couldn't reproduce it myself.
Which is why I'm saying that grammar isn't important for reading, since you understand what is meant anyways, but it's essential for forming your own words.
So are there any practice exercise sheets you guys would recommend?

What's the point of doing vncore/V2K if you're gonna consume manga, anime, vns, etc. anyways?
Wouldn't it be more beneficial to do 2k/6k instead to cover the vocabulary you don't get from the media you consume?

>>21167161
I'm about 22% into the first volume, and yeah, it's hard. But if you have a pop-up dictionary (yomichan or a kindle with jdict) you can understand what's happening and learn a bit.

>>21170137
how do you get yomichan working for manga text?

>>21170115
>I don't think that works for me.
it absolutely does work that way, but we aren't talking about you just read it and then are able to use it. We are talking about seeing something over and over again, this is pretty much the only way to do it so that you sound natural rather than some gaijin speaking in katakana and grammar patterns they have memorized. I've seen plenty of people go this route and they sound so awful when they speak because to be able to speak fluently it has to be on an unconscious level. This level only comes from massive amounts of exposure. Being a worksheet fag won't get you anywhere, no one here will give you worksheets because although everyone here is very dekinai they at least know enough to know that that is useless

ok this is my new anki format
FRONT
word
meaning (in japanese)
BACK
reading

only looking at the meaning if i forgot it, and only testing for the reading. also only adding 10% of new words i encounter to anki, based on an algorithm i came up with for maximum efficiency. this usually results in 8 to 14 new words a day. so far so good

>>21170141
you could use capture2text or another ocr + clipboard inserter, then yomichan from that browser window

>>21170115
it takes prob 100x as much exposure to get to production as it does to get to comprehension
read and listen more and eventually the conjugations will come to u easy cuz it will just sound right
memorizing shit just gives u some knowledge to fall back on when it doesnt come to u naturally yet which is only valuable if ur in a big fuckin hurry to produce

>>21169653
さくらふぶきのしたで

いとおかしにならないひといない

>>21169897
ぼうろ

おかし

>>21169945
幼女

Rate dolly's japanese

その質問はね、一本の動画の全部のネタほど複雑ですね(*＾▽＾)／

限るは「限界がある、限界にする」という意味ですね。他の「限る」を使う表現はこの根本的な意味に基づいています。

例えば

カラスが黒いとは限らない　= からすが*必ず*黒いとは言えない
つまり、カラスは黒い鳥に限られない

Aに限ってB　= A の場合しかBがない。でもこれは文字通りの意味とは限りません°˖◝(⁰▿⁰)◜˖°

例えば

急いでいる時に限ってバスが遅れる
それは文字通りに本当ではないでしょう。でもそんな感じてすね。

他の使い方は：

さくらに限ってウソを言わない
= 他の人はウソを言うかもしれないけど、さくらはウソを言わない

Aに限らず

「ず」とは古い打ち消しの助動詞「ぬ」の連用形です。「ぬ」は「ない」のような働きがあるから、その意味は「だけでなく」と同じようです。

ご覧の通り、これは複雑な話題ですけど、後でその動画を作るつもりです。

>>21170141
Oh, you meant the manga? I'm reading the LN.
For manga, I either use kanjitomo if I want, or I look things up by hand. Usually the things I like most (fantasy-shonen) have furigana anyways so it's easier to look up, but usually I read shounen without dictionary and pick up words I don't know with context

Anon様々

When japanese makes sense: 閂

>>21170054
thanks

Does listening to Japanese songs count as input?

>This is very true and I regard structure and even accurate English explanations as nothing more than aids
dolly pls

>>21170128
the point of core vocab decks is to get you consuming Japanese more comfortably, nothing else

Oh boy chuugokugo anon won't like this:

O 和食
O 洋食
X 中食 It's 中華

>>21170128
>the vocabulary you don't get from the media you consume

>>21170128
Pretty cool post if it's subtle bait. It sounds kinda reasonable on the first read and then you think for a second and it hits you how retarded the question is.

>>21170128
So you can start reading moeshit with less lookups.
Anki's shit for actual meaning, you wanna wanna use it as a jumping off point, reading is where you actually acquire words.

>>21170371
ありがとう。

>>21170215

>>21170553
it's a reply she gave to a comment on her latest youtube vid

>>21170553
あんしんして

あたしにもわからん

>>21170556
ぼくはわかるけど…あの…僕にとってダメな状況なんスね？わからない日本語をわかるなどということ。

脳が溶けちゃううう

never gonna make it

>>21170589
もう暗記諦めて読みなさい。

Daily reminder it's おｋ to push Again or Easy if the time is right.

>>21170599
I've never pressed easy in my life

>>21170595
wouldn't you write it as アンキ if you're referring to the program since it's a name, not the word "anki" itself?

daily reminder anki is supplementary

>>21170595
ok thats enough of that get back in ur hole

>>21170606
maybe its finally time to stop struggling in vain and take it easy

install low-key anki and never worry about that ease factor faggot shit

is there a way to pause my anki reps for 2 weeks while im in japan? i really don't want to waste valuable time i saved up my neetbux for doing reps but i don't want to end up with 2000 reviews awaiting me

but "low-key" anki is "faggot shit"

>>21170615
なんの重みもないから
>>21170632
やだよ

u can install ur plugins that cut some useless shit out of aniki
or u can uninstall aniki to excise all the useless shit from ur system at once

>>21170641
just do what any serious flashtard would do and just cram ur reps in the toilet

if 90% of ur time spent in japan isnt spent in the toilet doing flashcards ur just simply not gonna make it gomennasorry

>>21170641
casually do your reps in full view of some local whores in a bar so you can show off your nihongo skills.

imagine quizmaster in public in nippon with his cellphone volume way up doin his anime flash cards

>>21170641
you don't pause anki my nigga, just do them when you are on the train travelling from place to place or something. unless you are a true ankidrone with like 2hour a day reviews then it shouldn't be that hard?

ちなみに日本語なのに一番正しいのは「Anki」と書くと思うのですが抵抗する。

>>21170674
I wear headphones dude. Always carry my wireless bluetooth headphones for me and spy for a lonely corner to fully enjoy those juicy anime reviews.

imagine going to japan for no reason other than u are just a fuckin retard

>>21170689
can u stop permanently crippling every1

how fucked am i if i read that 4 times

>>21167161
>>21170228
Manga isn't reading though.

>>21170674
Watch what you say. He would chousen every native citizen he encounters to a quiz duel and win each and every one of them!

>>21170692
電車のお爺さんの足の前に痛い子っぽくなって性奴隷にならなければ日本語ができない。だから祝え。隠れないほうがいいよ。さぁ、みんなの前に見せて。なんだったっけ、アニメ？ほらほら。
>>21170700
君も性奴隷になれ。

>>21170745
he could win the quiz but could he get far enough in conversation to challenge them lol

>>21170758
no lol

zenging

>>21170745
>>21170758
You say that but there is a native Japanese person in the quiz that wins very consistently. I am approaching his reading level though.

imagining quiz dude running up to random japanese ppl in public screaming SHO-BU DA and shoving his phone in their face as the quiz bot runs

>>21170765
approach my ちんちん

>>21170765
>I am approaching his reading level though.
u found the only illiterate nihonjin who likes vocab quizzes ?
or u think that ur quiz performance = ur reading level ?

btw if u wanna know what my internal visualization of quiz dude is its this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8pR1rZZHEs

Read a page and post it on vocaroo and we will judge your reading level.

>>21170776
He is above average and works as a translator so know the language is his job. We make fun of the average dumbass Japanese people that can't read easy shit like 捗る and 進捗.
Quiz performance doesn't equal reading level but there is a correlation and if you can read all the words on the high level quizzes then reading Japanese is no problem. If you can read Japanese you can do the quiz, in fact, being able to see and voice out the words is minimum requirement for reading them.

>>21170793
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsPheErBj8

>>21170788
A genius actor who was way ahead of his time and got bullied for it?

>>21170793
uve gone off the fuckin rails

>>21170809
oh no just a crazy white kid w. thick glasses yellin in the language from the rammstein songs like "du hast" and "mein herz brennt"

>>21170793
imagine writing this

>>21170793
LOL

>>21170821
No I have just started. Everything up until now has been nothing but warming up. I'm going to be able to read all Kanji in existence before long. You watch me.

>トイレ
>トレイ
To all dyslexics: There's a difference. Know it.

>>21170793
>if you can read all the words on the high level quizzes then reading Japanese is no problem.
This is just not true and tells me you don't actually consume a large amount of high level Japanese material, Knowing how to read all the words or even what they mean clearly doesn't mean you understand the meaning of the sentence, it may very well mean you think you understand it though.

天から堕ちる方法

eveyr time i read a quiz tard post i hear this being sung in my head lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sKryFPoJ_k#t=90

>>21170841
それ水でやってたやつ？

>>21170836
ull never be a match for kanken guy
ur just quizmaster
it might even be too late for eroge to save u

>>21170841
縛りプレイ
縛りレイプ

>>21170844
I see how that statement confused you and it's my fault for not formulating more precisely. If you read a lot and your reading level naturally progresses to the point that you are capable of doing the high level quiz, chances are you have a high reading level. Yes, I suppose it's theoretically possible to just learn a ton of words and Kanji out of context without progress your knowledge of Japanese, but that's just a strawman. I doubt a person who learns Kanji just for the sake of it without consuming Japanese exists. I at least make all my flashcards from media I consume and I have shared previews of the cards and the guide on how to make them many times.
I suggest you stop trying to read shit into my messages that isn't there at least.

>>21170860
Not right now maybe but before long I'll do the Kanken. Not like I'm going anywhere, I'll be sure to share my progress.

>>21170641
i think the load balancer addon will help with that. you'll have backed up reviews but knock out like 50 a day without doing new cards and it'll be fine eventually.

>>21170867
>I suggest you stop trying to read shit into my messages that isn't there at least.
I mean first of all it was in your message and second of all you have only been studying for 2.5 years so there is no way you have consumed enough material to have your actual reading level approach that of a native. This suggests to me as did you first post, because you think that you can beat a native in a kanji readings quiz , that you are equating the knowledge of individual words with reading ability which i pointed out was false.

>謝謝
Why is it shieshie and not shasha

>>21170793
>that can't read easy shit like 捗る and 進捗.
i feel like baseline literacy rates are misleading because learning new kanji will always be more of a hassle than learning new words in a language like english, and at some point i think japs and probably chinese get tired/bored of it and avoid or completely ignore new kanji.

dont worry dude quiz tards day of reckoning will come eventually

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYmn3Gwn3oI

>>21170911
cuz its fUCkin chInese u FUckfACe

>>21170895
I haven't beat any natives though. Yes there is more to knowing Japanese than just being able to read words, I'm not denying that in the slightest. Some Japanese people have huge reading deficiencies though and that's a fact. Sure, they are still better than me at the language just because they are natives, but I'll catch up before long as I actually become capable of reading shit when they scratch their head over 捗る lmao. I'm not just improving my reading anyway, I'm working on my advancing my general Japanese knowledge and he quiz is just a fun thing on the side. Y'all are just mad about getting BTFO that you make up all this stuff about me doing nothing but quizzing.

>>21170918
rude

>>21170921
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sKryFPoJ_k#t=90 can stop hearing it lmfoa :joy:

>>21170921
it's funny how they consistently make bad arguments against you just like they make against matt. i'm trying not to brag but if i took this little quiz of yours i'd show you what's what.

Guys on how many levels of ironic posting are we atm. I'm not sure I follow. I count 3 btw.

What's goin on with nuke I haven't seen any posts about him recently

>>21170937
I welcome competitors. You can come and show me whatever you like I'm cool with that. It's just that I've been learning lazily for two years and apparently still outdo everyone in the thread, I'm aware that my Japanese level isn't high at all and there is still a lot of shit to do. I'm learning new shit everyday.
No but really, do come.

私の複数の誤りは正さなければあなたの読書力はただの読書力だけだ。そんなもんはいらない。私にとって大切なものは真の理解である。陰陽。良し悪し。黒白や白黒。そしてこの世の中の判断（判決）について（対して）疑い（異議）も。読むとは文を読んだら心を察することだ。それさえ出来なければ消えろ。

>>21170959
I read better than you and also write better Japanese than you lmao. Fucking shitter thinking he is hot shit, back into your hole n2 kun.

none of this is ironic this is all for real dont reject reality and shield urself with "irony"

anyway flashtard boy if u really wanna btfo every1 once and for all and claim ur rightful place atop the djt totem pole its very simple

vocaroo dotto com and read the image

i dont care how u sound and no1 will laugh i promise if u seem like u know what ur reading

>>21170971
I told you I'm not reading shit out loud.

I guess those that would outdo you are currently busy reading their 57th VN. Also they probably don't frequent this thread to notice your challenge. Just my 三文 on this topic.

正せないのか。可哀想。

>>21170975
wow ur easy to btfo get back in ur discord pussy boy where its safe

>>21170988
Okay I invite you to show up and show you are not all talk as well.

pussy boy act like he hot shit then point the finger back at every1 when he gets called out

pussssyyyyyyyyy

actually i read ur post again and lolled nice self own

it's clear when you think about it. the quiz boy has no guts and probably knows zero japanese on top of that lol

just read the thing if you really think your level is appropriate then why would you be afraid of doing it? everyone knows you don't sound like dogen anyway, that much is obvious

Please stop shaming people for their Japanese language skills. The result will just be that they become too afraid to show off what they have learned. It is a bad climate to learn in.

>>21171026
私のも読んで
>>21171028
いやあの人は出来るけどさ。大したもんじゃないよ。誰でも出来る。読んだら。

>>21171039
no one shames ppl here actually every1s pretty chill and laid back except the quiz guy who needs to remember https://streamable.com/lqpfc

The real question why is would you ever willingly roleplay as an antagonist in a normal setting.

>>21171043
Jesus please stop writing already.
You lack the self awareness that your writing sucks.
And I bet you won't take responsibility for permanently crippling people's Japanese.

>>21171039
Nah shaming is OK because behind the expert facade everyone puts on here it's exclusively shitters.

>>21171009
You can show me you know more without any risk to your anonymity. It's unreasonable to expect me to record myself that's all bitch.
You are the pussy of being afraid of doing a vocabulary quiz.

>>21171054
>>21137740 >>21137740 >>21137740 >>21137740 >>21137740 >>21137740 >>21137740 >>21137740 >>21137740

LOLLLLLLLL

so how many people did the fbi round up because of djt vocaroos?

>>21171054
実はね
私は日本人ですよ(*ﾉω・*)ﾃﾍ顔

>>21171054
>You can show me you know more without any risk to your anonymity.
there's 0 risk if you use a voice changer

>>21171054
They have to put on the expert facade exactly because of that though!

>>21171052
kid got to the point where most people notice the thread is of no use to anyone and instead of leaving or using it as their personal dumping ground like everyone else he instead chose to become the king of the retards for some reason

リタード王になる男だ !!

実のところ
私は藝

>>21171061
Damn dude you are really going to go on forever about that one thing right. You know you can find mistakes equally as bad in my English that I made 100% due to carelessness. I try to avoid writing Japanese anyway because I'm not good at it yet.
See through, if I recorded a voice clip you'd go on about it the exact same way because my pronunciation was off somewhere. You are just trying to set me up, while I'm offering you a fair quiz battle.

i'll say it i can't hear the difference between を and は because nips slur it or something

>>21171094
>See through, if I recorded a voice clip you'd go on about it the exact same way because my pronunciation was off somewhere. You are just trying to set me up, while I'm offering you a fair quiz battle.
Nobody does this. I just went through all vocaroo posts by anon in the archive.

>>21171084
マジ卍？

逃がせないわ。疑惑があるなら間違いを。それに日本語で。

Sigh quizmaster autism level is over 9k. He started once again ;/

>>21171107
ガチです

>>21171094
id never criticize someone who fuckin 胸はって歩くs meeting all challenges after proclaiming hes 一番最強

but what ur doin ? それpussyじゃん

叙事的な失敗

>>21171121
I never claimed to be 一番最強 bitch, the only thing I said is that this thread is exclusively shitters which is evidently true.
I'm still in the middle of learning as I said before.
Now excuse me I got some anime cards to do.

man you're probably great at japanese but those cards you make are so dumb

Ok somebody help me understand おまんれん

>>21171133
<--

>>21171147
is that another sex joke i have no fuckin idea dude

>>21170971
あくたがわの

はなだっけ

どんなはなしだったかなー

>start doing kklc to learn to write
>core6k retention rate plummets by 15% because my brain processes kanji differently now and can't recognize words I used to know
I got memed by djt to not learn kanji first and regret it

why are you learning to write if you're so unfamiliar with 6k of the most frequent words that you forget them after learning to write them. why can't you just wait a year or two.

あくたがわのはな
https://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/000879/files/42_15228.html

よみかえしてみた

びょうしゃがこまかくて

みじかくて

むずかしいごくがすくなくて

よみやすいのに

つやがある

おにいちゃんもよめば？

I can't seem to remember katakana as easy as I remembered hiragana.

help me please.

change some software's language to jap most of it is translated to katakana

>>21171196
>stare at kanji real hard
>develop some vague associations
>then learn them two years later
Obviously that order is stupid. Never listen to /djt/ procrastinators who are very insecure about not wanting to study.

Don't use the Japanese UIs of applications developed by non-Japanese people. They are often machine translated or use the "wrong" versions of important jargon.

>>21171239
I learned kanji through vocab and have no issues. Your theoretical understanding of it is wrong.

>>21171242
imagine having a ui totally in japanese as a japanese person and feeling like its in a foreign language lol

this was brought up recently i think

>>21171208
>you're so unfamiliar with 6k of the most frequent words that you forget them after learning to write them
btw i laughed as i wrote this because how the fuck does that even make sense

>>21171211
できないのによみみやすくはないけど

VERY important information.

>>21171303
God I wish I knew Japanese so I could read this.

>learning japanese.

>>21171159
俺は鳥なき里の蝙蝠を気取りたいだけさ
君になにかを証明する義理を感じないな

だとしたら帰れ

>>21171325
こういうのもかわいいよ