/jp/ - Otaku Culture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIp6uabLcj8#t=26

>>21146936
> mispronouncing new words in english is fine because ur using what u know about english to make the pronunciation in the first place

It's the same in Japanese. Kanji don't have infinite pronunciations, with experience you can learn to take educated guesses as to the pronunciation of new words. I guarantee that Japanese people actually do this.

I only used Russian as an example in a language I assume most people here are unfamiliar with, if that's obscuring the main point then just ignore the example. And if you don't believe it's possible to learn new words from context then by all means feel free to keep using dictionaries forever.

死にたい
まじで

>>21146992
well then yah like i said if u have familiarity in the language u can try on most things

tho readings of words are pretty rough at times and very often u just skip it and not even worry about it

natives do this more than try to force a pronunciation

brainstorm on it for a minute maybe say somethin goofy and then ultimately give up and move on never actually thinking whatever goofy thing u said with low confidence is how u pronounce the word

whereas in english its very easy to pronounce words for a very long time incorrectly but be able to spell and define it from memory and use it properly

>>21146994
>I want to die
>seriously
did i get this right?

>21146778
as long as you know how the word is read you can learn it from context
if you don't then there's a barrier preventing your subconscious from thinking that it understands it, even if it knows the kanji
i learned most of my core vocab from reading manga with furigana and watching anime

>>21147042
winnar

>>21147042
You can't learn from context till at least 80% comprehension and ideally 95%. So you're missingout on a lot of immersion in the meantime if you don't try to monolingual transition.

when they start pulling out percentages as a barrier of entry out of their ass thats when u know they are done

the fuck does さね and さ mean as sentence enders

>>21147068
さあ

>>21147060
>So you're missingout on a lot of immersion in the meantime if you don't try to monolingual transition.
i bet if i started reading jp definitions first for all words i look up over the next month that it would end up being much easier but i don't feel like doing it because i'm iffy on how beneficial it really is.

>>21147060
nah i went in with way below 80% comprehension, probably like 50% or 30%

>>21147066
https://www.sinosplice.com/life/archives/2016/08/25/what-80-comprehension-feels-like
its well documented, there was a whole lecture I watched the other day on 95% being peak for contextual aquisition, 80% is where it pretty much falls off to non existent

>>21147068
how much eng subbed anime have u watched lifetime

>>21147080
only like 30 shows desu but is raw acceptable?

that doesn't mean anything
if someone in a manga or anime points at something and says a sound you can probably guess that that sound describes that object in some way

>>21146957
>however did u see that little girl with her yomiko readman junior room books piled up the wall
and heres my thing... we don't know how many of the words in each of those books she actually understands, and how many she's just guessing. i don't see why we should automatically think more books = more progress if most of the words (past the most common 3000 or so of course) are just being skipped over or guessed at. i think i'd rather have a thorough understanding of 3 books than a vague understanding of 10.

(even if you don't understand anything else going on at all)

>>21147086
well yea manga and anime can give you a bit of a comprehension boost

you realize that everything EXCEPT for pure text gives you some kind of "comprehension boost", right. novels are the exception. not the norm. to say nothing of people who claim to learn a language just from reading pure novels without a dictionary and no base knowledge cuz that doesn't happen lmao

>>21147088
fear the man who practiced one kick a thousand times not the man who practiced a thousand different kicks once.

manga isn't reading

practicing 500 kicks once and then a single kick 500 times is the best option tho so uh

>>21147079
unfortunately the brain doesnt just decide not to learn new things if theres not some arbitrary percentage of a bunch of other words surrounding it "comprehended"

>>21147084
no its very much not

>>21147088
that doesnt matter i can tell she has the ability to keep building her english skills because her foundation is so easily ascertained to be good by her output

theres no reason to argue that maybe she doesnt know every word in lord of the rings because its obvious she has what she needs already to do what she needs to do going forward

>>21147113
balanced approach is always the best

>>21147107
>>21147113
>>21147122
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooEkxFrrjb0#t=10

all u need is the 1 solid foundational kick and all the other kicks come much easier because u have the preliminary skills

Should I or should I not subscribe to the 毎日?
I like their app and their articles seem pretty well written and somehow done in a less less boring way than NHK but then again NHK is free...

>>21147074
why wouldn't it be beneficial?
you're using the language to define new words in the language. which means you're using the language more period, and not having to default back to your native language to understand things, which means you're strengthening your reliance on japanese. and you're being exposed to tons of new relationships between japanese words you already know, and new words you're learning.
there was a time when i learned 道端, and then 行き倒れ a week or so later. this is the definition for 行き倒れ.
飢え・寒さ・病気などで，道ばたに‐倒れる（倒れて死ぬ）こと．その人．
a word i'd recently learned showed up perfectly in the definition of a new word i was learning. if that's not a great link idk what is. and this happens frequently with mono defs. connections galore.

>>21147147
>why wouldn't it be beneficial?
well more like i don't know how beneficial it is to read a japanese definition that would take me longer to parse than an english equivalent that enables me to instantly jump back into the story i'm reading.

>>21147147
sorry but i wanna read about a catgirl getting fucked not the definition of "mons pubis"

>>21147147
I'm trying to transition now myself and notice it for the huge leap forward it is. It is pretty hard though. You don't want to do it too early. I'm at 5k and it's pretty time consuming.

>>21147151
it depends on the type of thing as to whether or not its acceptable in my eyes to use a english definition and keep going

however if u never use the japanese dictionary u will never gain solid literacy

Do I need to install a Japanese dictionary first and an English dictionary second in yomichan so I have to read the Japanese definition first before scrolling down to the English as a last resort?

>>21147154
if you're still at the level where you have to look up the word for pussy then this post isnt for you

>>21147151
japanese defs are easier to use when 1. they're concise (i don't believe in the paragraph-long definitions matt seems to love, i stick with sanseido), 2. you're used to them and can scan them quickly and 3. you understand most of the words in them (or enough for them to be useful).

if those conditions are met, then not having to attention-switch from japanese to english is actually less stressful and feels more natural when you were already reading japanese.

i also don't believe in the dictionary diving thing, that imo is a waste of time. so if most mono defs (like 70%) don't meet requirement #3 for you yet, then stick with english defs until they do.

Why are you learning 日本語?

All you good lads starting Japanese and grinding your core 2k but not reading, get to reading. If reading is your endgame, then it's also your entry point. All grinding those words does for you in isolation is it makes it a tad easier to recognize base words when you encounter them. Reading is the same, you will encounter the same words over and over again and through this exposure they will start naturally coming to you. These core decks are only there to prevent you from drilling words like 幽霊屋敷 which you will rarely encounter until context makes it necessary.

If I look up a card on Jisho and it says "usually written using kana", should I replace the kanji? Asking for 置く

>>21147177
yea and when you make anki cards it will be that way, and for the first few months just add words from the dictionary and it will help infuse the whole process

Reposting this that someone made the other day:
https://github.com/kaervin/subserv-mpv-plugin
It's an mpv plugin which sends subs to your browser so you can use your preferred Rikai clone to quickly look up unknown words.

If you need an mpv config, you can steal mine: >>>/g/70499236
sub font: https://www.google.com/get/noto/help/cjk/
>NotoSerifCJKjp-[weight].otf

I also messed with the colors of the default page on which the subs appear ( 127.0.0.1:8080 ) to create a dark version. Just replace the HTML page from the github page with this one (make sure you use the same filename and .html extension -> "subserv.html"):
https://pastebin.com/nWe11bzc

I also changed the font + font size. You can get the font here (or edit the page to change it to one of your choosing):
https://ipafont.ipa.go.jp/old/ipaexfont/download.html
>IPAexfont00201.zip(9.31 MB)

as always remember that if u havent watched 10000 hours of eng subbed anime everything is going to be super hard and confusing for much longer than if u just sucked it up and watched eng subbed anime

dont be another geyline guy dont be another statistic

watch eng subbed anime today

>>21146994
大丈夫?

>>21147185
mons pubis doesn't mean pussy my friend

>>21147205
Couldn't you just study and read stuff in japanese for 10000 hours instead? I think it would give you better results.

>>21147205
>disclaimer: it only works if you don't look at the subtitles

>>21147198
For 置く it says "Usually written using kana alone, after the -te form of a verb", only under certain entries. So don't be confused with that saying 置く is always written with kana.

But never listen to "usually written using kana" on jisho because it's often wrong.

>>21147202
stop helping people, you piece of shit
what a blasphemy

>>21147215
that all comes after the anime dude

what did u think its 10000 hours of eng subbed anime and ur done ?? haha u still got another 90000 hours to fill after that before ur real ninja shit

>>21147220
no u can and should still look at them as long as u keep ur ears open

>>21147202
Will this work on windows if I compile with mingw?

>>21146994
It gets better anon don't you worry.

>>21147186
I'm not exactly sure why I began since I did that in my early teens (like 14 probably but with a lot of stopping and no intense study) but probably because I picked up some words from anime and thought it was interesting. Also the language sounded cool (pronounciation wise I mean).

have u guys seen the first ever real image of a black hole yet ? its crazy

>>21147191
>a tad easier to recognize base words when you encounter them.
not just a tad from my experience. words i've repped in anki (granted that i pulled them from context in the first place, and they aren't completely obscure) have a near 100% success rate of knowing them the next time i encounter them in context.

if people doing 2k aren't reading, i agree they need to stop asap. but that doesn't mean they need to drop anki. instead they should switch to mining their own past like the first 1000 words from a pre-made frequency deck.

>>21147191
>幽霊屋敷
Maybe I just read strange stuff (because I'm into fantasy), but 幽霊 and 屋敷 (especially 屋敷) are actually more common words and if you see "ghost" and "mansion" together it's not that hard to tell what word it could be.

>>21147247
senpai....

>>21147213
mound of hair over the pussy
still pussy
or does your head stop being your head if it has hair on it

wow this dude who doesnt know what a pussy is (shocking in this thread full of virgs) is really doubling down isnt he

>>21147256
yeah i thought this was a very easy and common example as well

>>21147249
>words i've repped in anki (granted that i pulled them from context in the first place, and they aren't completely obscure)
same here but as you said his post was addressed to people who just grind decks without reading ("in isolation").

>>21147247
hmm looks more like a laser beam to burn stuff in better to me?

>>21147275
get a load of this guy lol i have more real life experience with pussy than you who only knows them via japanese porn games

damn everybody is roasting jamal these days...

>>21147282
actually the bright colors are ppls hopes and dreams being sucked into the event horizon (anki logo)

>>21147287
ive fucked vaginas dude lets not have a pissing contest and instead clear up ur misunderstanding of muff and pussy

おまんこ触りたい…

>>21147202
Needs a downloadable compiled version for windows so that more than one person can use this.

>>21147237
No idea. I'm on Linux so I can't test it.

You would probably have to edit the command at the very least though to change the
>~/.config/mpv/scripts/subserv.so subserv.c
part to match wherever Windows puts mpv's scripts folder (assuming the Windows version of mpv lets you use scripts, which I'm not sure of). I haven't been on Windows for like 5 years now so I can't really help much.

If mpv for Windows does support scripts but you can't get it to work, try opening an issue on the github page and hope that the author is feeling generous enough to help you and/or make a version that works on Windows.

>>21146973
What are the advantages to going for JLPT?

>>21147302
正直言って過大評価

>>21147311
u get to send ur money to japan foundation

u get to have a piece of paper to enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xUw6InGnqY#t=3

Opinion on bunpro?. is bunpro worth the 3 bucks a month?

>>21147300
>mons pubis isn't technically part of a pussy learn your female anatomy hur dur virgin
>lets not have a pissing contest

>>21147311
It's the only official Japanese certification that really matters in a professional (work) context with Japanese companies.

Also a N1 can serve as an entry point to get intro translation work as far as I've seen.

can i write この方　instead of この or こちらの方?

>>21147322
I think it's quite useful for a beginner and the pricing isn't that terrible.

>>21147324
i dont even get how this is an issue lol

next ur gonna say the male mons pubis is also the benis lmao

>>21147337
この方 is pretty much interchangeable with この人

>>21147322
niggers who sold out

>>21147337
あんた誰 is better

>>21147362
I dont care about ethics behind a program, just how good it is

niggerって言っちゃダメ

>>21147356
i see, thank you

>>21147363
'anta' is 'this person'?

貴様何者だ

>>21147399
Don't let his funposting confuse you, it's short for あなた (you), not he

>>21147408
figured as much, ill be off

>>21147408
>>21147426
yeah, and it is pretty rude way of saying it or so I read

>when you fall for nihongo meme's

when you keep confusing the reading and meaning of 肝 and 肺

people who use anki moderately. out of 100 lookups how do you choose which 10 or so are worth putting into anki?

>>21147450
I do them all then go back through and suspend the words I find pointless later.

>>21147442
肝 liver
干す (right side of the kanji) means to dry
alcohol dehydrates the body (dries it) and ruins your liver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb-wwU_WMas

Motivation for you to keep reading.

>>21147186
It's to figure out what zerotsu is saying.

>>21147436
Nah. I just got my kindle. I had a different ereader before (old thing), so I wanted to replace anyway with something that supports custom dictionaries.
But if it's nothing for you, then it's nothing for you.

do i have to have a kindle to learn japanese ?

You need a Microsoft Surface for eroge, vns, manga, all in one.

>>21147526
you just need a brain

id rather give micro$oft money than amazon or apple so thats an easy sell how much do i charge to mums creditcard lol

>>21147322
could be missing something but i'm not seeing how it's better than the DoJG anki deck

>>21147526
maybe after a year or two but if you're still needing to look things up frequently and making anki cards then no

It's 100,000 yen but they go on sale for 80-90K.

kaachan aint gonna be happy if i charge that many yens to the cc

will learning japanese get me a job

>>21147526
Nope. You can just read in your browser with yomichan. I just like reading on an ereader because the display is easy on the eyes.
If you know someone who has an ereader, you can try it out, maybe you like it. But if you don't like to read a lot (outside of studying) then you can just skip out on it.

will learning japanese get me a cute gf

>>21147526
yes. no one has ever learned japanese without one.

what should i read the 3 leylines or never7 ever17 and remember11

>>21147186
I want to escape the nightmare Europe will become in near future.

I want to live a comfy and peaceful life in north japan, teaching my qt 3.14 happa daughters some algebra while my qt 3.14 nip gf is cooking me some ramen in our rural house.

I want to experience what life should've been.

>>21147571
so far its prevented me from finding a job

>>21147607
ah yes everything is nicer in the bubble for sure

>>21147613
全然よくない

>>21147262
you could resolve this misunderstanding with a single trip to google my friend but keep digging

>>21147607
dreaming is free...

>>21147154
>恥丘
mined

>>21147599
it'll take at least 24 months to read 3 leylines so go for the other ones.

you're mom's so fat that her 恥丘 is bigger than 地球 lmao

>>21147373
its as good as if you read Tae Kim instead.

>>21147456
is the moon for "moonshine" then

>>21147658
he didnt read all of leyline in 8 months btw

lol

who ffxiv here?
one of the only places i can interact with japanese speakers

>>21147701
try pso2 too

>>21147650
>>21147614
N5 by this month, N4 by june, N3 by december.
Starting 2020 taking special visa of 8 month to go japan and get N2 in native environment.

by the end of 2020, N1になる

>>21147727

>>21147727
suicide by 2021 due to workplace stress way beyond filthy gaijin standards
then you truly become one with the nippon

>>21147744
this never happens cuz ur never held to the same standards a japanese person is ever

Where can I take some kind of test to know if I'm ready for N5? Like, real ones.

>>21147789
heres ur n5 test

>>21147789
jlpt.jp/e/samples/sample12.html

>>21147797
ez

>>21147797
What the fuck

every few weeks/months i freak myself out thinking about how there's a reality. there's an existence. i just made myself dizzy thinking about it. why the hell are we all here. it's just so crazy to me.

>>21147797
>沒有漢字
我一點都看不懂

>>21147867
Magic mushrooms m8

>>21147867
same, but for me is everyday

>>21147674
>>21147789
What JLPT level are you after finishing 1 route of geyline?

>>21147883
Haven't read that one. I can read some sentences and sometimes entire pages of manga/doujin but still much to learn, I have.

>>21147879
never done them but will they change anything about my epistemological anti-realism or just reinforce it?

can i get double input by listening to 2 things at once

>>21147186
Video games. When it got to the point that even fan translations were full of rewrites, machine translation, translations of translations, all on top of taking forever to release, I said fuck it and picked up tae kim. Just for example, Aeon Genesis announced they were translating Super Robot Wars Alpha in the year 2007. It's been 12 years and they still have nothing to show for it, other than admitting that the last script they were working with was machine translated and edited by a BR that barely spoke English at all.

>>21147918
unfortunately your experience with dicks won't help you here

>>21147926
kill yourself nigger. im a virgin

>>21147928

hello folks

>>21147987
How the fuck do you read this shit

>>21147999
you just do it for 肉

>>21147186
I chose to study Japanese mostly for the sake of being able to read manga, light novels, and visual novels without having to depend on translations. I don't really hate translations, but I'd rather at least be able to read some untranslated works than to not be able to read them at all.

>>21147987

>>21147186
I'm done with poorly translations of all the manga and anime that I consume and also waiting for it.

I just understood the lyrics to a song (Bad Apple) and I'm baffled. I actually learnt shit.
Also I'm confused that it's not really gibberish anymore. Woah.

hey djt its been a while since we banged https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVm33wG5oVk

>>21147999
what do you mean

>>21148059
he disabled embed unforgivable

>>21147928
照れくさいかな
日本語で真実を書いてください

>>21148059
Jamal seriously how the fuck can you listen to this shit, it's awful.

>>21148124
thats not him its me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4a3-l4osWk

i havent listened to it yet actually this other dude linked it b4 i got around to it

makes u think

>>21147333
>It's the only official Japanese certification that really matters in a professional (work) context with Japanese companies.
*gayjin companies based in Japan
Khatz confirmed you only need near-native Japanese language abilities to get into REAL Japanese companies

u all got one more shot to bang take it or leave it this ones dedicated to >>21148057
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekhe-TRD9nQ

>>21148059
this is definitely not his best work here but otoh hes got a pretty gnarly nose piercing

>reading's been going nicely
>suddenly get hit with infodump after political speech after infodump
>confidence is shot
yowch time to go back to yotubato

>>21148261
>yotubato
Is that a new virtual YouTuber?

berserk is too difficult

>>21147999
バーカバーカアホーーーツ︎

>>21148261
u dont need confidence u just need to want it

>>21147186
to be able to brag about learning a difficult language.

>>21148292
>https://forum.koohii.com/thread-10869.html
>Manga Title Difficulty: ***** (1 means easiest to 5 stars means hardest )
>Berserk Difficulty Rating: **
lmao

>>21148292
because it's a manga so looking up words sucks ass

Why learn Japanese if I can stay here all day criticizing everyone else's Japanese and telling them how shit they are at it?

>>21148362
it's a little too late to be worried about being in over my head, so i'm gonna keep going because i'm enjoying it, but some of these scenes have been rough. i guess 10 years from now when i can read as fast as i can in english, i can always come back and plow through comfortably.

>>21147186
我不學日語，我學漢語。

we really are language larpers no better than r/learnjapanese

>>21148409
>i'm gonna keep going because i'm enjoying it
ur gonna fuckin make it

>tfw mommy looks directly at you and patiently explains that it's gonna take a little more doing before you can fully understand things

mommys a creepy lookin ass bitch

I made an ocr thing that allows you to use your browser's rikaichan/kun on manga

>>21148495
Looks pretty neat

>>21148495
That's nice but manga isn't reading.

Finished Japanese from Zero (1 and 2). But I don't want to use the third book. What else can I use for intermediate/advanced learners?

>>21148495
very neat but i imagine it starts to fall apart once the author has shitty handwriting

>>21148504
to be honest I made this only because her manga doesn't have furigana

notice me holo

>>21148511
yeah it probably will
if you have a particularly awful page I'll try it and post results

>>21148509
do you really think that doing those 2 books means you're qualified to call yourself intermediate much less advanced
anyway textbooks are pretty much a crock of shit and it doesn't matter how to go about learning the essential grammar whether it's forcing yourself through barely comprehensible native content and googling everything you don't know or doing verb conjugation exercises. try reading anything and googling verb forms you don't understand

Just a reminder that if you can't write kanji then you're technically an illiterate.

>>21148522
here's some of what I'd consider to be on the very neat side of messyish handwriting

>>21148581
Thanks to kana, that is not the case with Japanese

>>21148495
woah that's pretty legit actually.. can you make it a firefox plugin?

>>21148509
you're a beginner until you can read for pleasure at the bare minimum, the number of textbooks you do doesn't really have influence on that

>>21148509
Try reading some VNs or manga. If you can understand Hidamari Sketch without having to consult a dictionary, I'd say you're intermediate.
Otherwise, learn the 2k kanji and read imabi or the DJG.

>>21148522
and here's some "holy shit I can't believe natives can read this" tier which no ocr or learner could ever hope to handle

>>21148582
矢変？

>>21148592
it is

>>21148625
失愛

>>21148581
>or learner could ever hope to handle
holy shit im fluent
>>21148625
whats ur problem

>>21148627
Nope. Illiteracy is being unable to read or write. You can write Japanese in kana just fine. Illiteracy does not extend to "write all forms of all words", not even technically.

If you reply to this with anything but a solid argument, you lose.

>>21148625
>>21148634

well i meant to type 恋 lol

失恋

>>21147607
You're living in Europe, man. It really doesn't get better than that.

>>21148582
It's already starting to collapse at somewhat decent handwriting

guess I'm lucky that holo's mangaka is lazy and doesn't handwrite

>>21148613
this ones not bad at all.

>>21148644
writing in all kana is just your manchild cope

>>21148644
literacy also doesn't specify the technology with which the writing is produced, which means typesetting and typing are in :^)
it's the ability to compose something that can be read within the orthographic standards of the literate culture, not handwriting spefifically

>insect sounds

>>21148613
>>21148638
how did i mistag the post by a mile lol

>>21148662
>spefifically
I arrest my case

>>21148660
You lose.

>>21148613
it didn't even detect the right-hand side bubble as text lmao

left hand side bubble was detected as
>す か [...]課長

>>21148676
i lose and you're illiterate

>>21148613
I'm pretty sure those kanji are 暑,疲, 課, and 長. It's somewhat fuzzy, but not too difficult to read.

>>21148674
what? you don't know the word "spefifically"? can you even claim to be literate?

>>21148593
meh that sounds like a lot of work
It's more like a manga-reader-app that just runs in your browser and does ocr (ie manga needs to be saved on your computer)

if people are interested in that I guess I could throw it on github

Yoga and Matt speaking to each other in Japanese. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF1_zmj0lLA

Is this a clip from the stream that Matt made with Yoga but deleted?

Just took a mock N3 test and got 89.3%
Can I get to N1 level by december is the question?
I'm also a neet..

>gaijins speaking japanese
no thanks

>>21148745
Probably not. But you can aim for N2 and N1 the year after.

>>21148683
the fact that it takes longer to read than clearly printed text means it is in fact difficult to read

daily reminder that attempting to learn vocab without anki is fooling yourself

>>21148613
暑いな
もうお疲れですか課長
it's not exactly clean but i can read it just fine, there's way worse

>>21148592
Except it’s actually true. The very phrase “illiterate” is expressed as 不識字: Doesn’t recognize characters.

Bout to do 260 review cards and 75 new cards to make up for two missed days. I refuse to give up this time as much as I have begun to dread my daily studies. I've been at this shit for like a month.

>>21148764
>"holy shit I can't believe natives can read this" tier
yeah no

>>21148763
Yea I was affraid of that. But that's still cool. I can put it on job apps at that point.

>>21148742
holy shit i had stop in just 10 seconds this shit is literally a 12 min version of this except worse lmfoa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7TDpqCCpO4#t=19

>>21148769
>two missed days
Didn’t we tell you to fucking do it yesterday????

>>21148768
so you don't need to know how to write them to be considered literate

>>21148769
Setting yourself up for failure like a true Karubin.

How about you don't make it worse if you already dread it? Somehow people are so obsessed with keeping up with their imaginary schedule that theyd rather crash and burn than finish 3 days later than they initially planned for.

>>21148783
you untalented retards are trying to raise your status by fitting some useless technicality based on an english definition
at the end of the day you still suck cock and can't write shit

>>21148789
but it's based on the japanese definition

>>21148742
yah this is actually the most painful video in existence delete plz

I can write just fine on a computer. Why would literacy require handwriting specifically?

>>21148795
you're taking shortcuts just to call yourself "technically literate" and you suck.

>>21148804
i'm not calling myself technically literate, i'm calling myself literate

You people know if you want to stay as a neet not in Japan then you don't have to focus on writing, you can learn that later.
Learning is about exposure not spending an hour on flash cards cause someone told you to.

>>21148809
本当です

>>21148809
on the condition that you are in the proximity of a robot that can convert your romaji to chinese characters

>>21148795
>can't hand write a diary
>can't take notes in nihongo
>can't fill out forms without a phone
The list goes on. If you plan on going beyond eroge vidya you may as well get the writing out of the way since it boosts the whole process. You don't ever really know a kanji till you can write it.

>>21148821
Yea once you are forced to exclusively communicate with Buddhist monks by passing around handwritten notes on top of a mountain temple, you'll be completely screwed.

>>21148825
What is this imaginary "know a kanji", if you recognize it you technically "know" it.

>>21148817
you can learn it later or you can learn the characters the proper way from the start to speed up the process of learning to read and write

>>21148804
>>21148789
How many kanji do I need to be able to handwrite to be literate?

>>21148846
1500 should suffice. The rest you can kana out.

>>21148839
I agree but if you're someone who puts off practicing japanese cause you don't like writing then it's something you shouldn't force yourself to do.

>>21148846
All of them.

>>21148865
>no human on this planet is literate in japanese
damn this language is tough i tell ya

>>21148846
you should be able to write most common words so like 2500

i can't even write in kana am i fucked

>>21148876
>>21148859
>Japanese middle-schoolers aren't literate
Shit...

>>21148881
you're technically not even fluent in your native language till around the age of 10, let that sink in

stfu retards

>>21148881
correct

I'm only learning Japanese to watch and read content from Japan.
Which means listening and reading practice.

>>21148876
i bet a lot of nips can't do that especially if they've been out of school for a long time

Oh nonononono

>>21148923
japan is a country of illiterates

society loses ability to properly utilize insane technology when less insane replacement is created, news at 11

>>21148783
If you could 識 them without being able to write them, then technically yes. But in practice none of you failures has been able to really 識 the 漢字. At best you can recall meanings or shapes rather than actually 識 them.

>>21148835
Imagine being so illiterate you don’t understand the nuances of 識.

>>21148769
>and 75 new cards to make up for two missed days
why? in the grand scheme of things it won't matter. you could do 0 new cards for the next week, start doing 10 new cards a day, and you'd be OK. i don't understand the calvin mentality.

>>21149029
Word, when my cards get backed up I'm like "oh no imaginary numbers to my learning are bad", they just don't matter in any scheme of things. Sometimes the breaks are just what you need and you kill it for a while afterwards.

>>21148764
That shit ain't even as bad as Chinese cursive script

i’m really starting to think that people who claim they learn vocabulary primarily through reading alone are either learning extremely slowly (like one word per day) or kidding themselves into believing they’re learning when they’re just spamming rikai/yomichan constantly

>>21149059
i mean thats obviously the case if htey havent watched 10000 hours of eng subbed japanimation

>>21149059
is that ur way of sayin u just looked up the same word 20 times

>>21148693
Please do. That seems super useful

>>21149059
This projected cope ;/

>>21149059
It's actually neither.
They are kidding themselves into believing that they are not misunderstanding half of it.
It's extremely easy for the human brain to connect the dots in a wrong way and have something make complete sense even though you got it wrong.

>>21149188
it's only easy to do this when you have like 50% comprehension

>>21149188
in what way does ur aniki change this

nihongodaisuki!!!

>>21149197
That roughly describes people who don't use anki.

>>21149201
Makes sure that you are remembering the word right since it shows you the meaning on every review. As opposed to reading the word, assuming you know what it means and then moving on without looking it up.

The answer to the OP is gei in case anyone was wondering

>>21149214
sasuga aoc

>>21149217
>That roughly describes people who don't use anki.
that's just a stereotype you made up to reaffirm your incorrect opinions

>>21149233
A reminder that the ankidrone quizmaster BTFO everyone in this sorry thread, especially the anti-anki failures.

>>21148923
highest average IQ excluding jews and they still can't manage to write in their own language. pretty sad how broken kanji is.

>>21149217
u seem very confused about language and about people who dont use aniki
how would u apply ur argument to one of nihongos most infamous words 掛ける

>>21149253
Obviously you learn the nuances from immersion.
Ankidrones read too, you know. Anki is for not forgetting and not mixing them up.

>>21149253
its ok dude let the wriggle in their futility

or they can choose to just hit the learn nihongo button

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW9nDrpqeEQ#t=86

>>21149242
>ankidrone wins at the only thing he ever practiced
if you're so confident just go do your retarded core 20k deck doing 500 reviews a day

>>21149270
>the only thing he ever practiced
Recognizing words faster and accurately means being able to read faster, which equals more fun.

>>21149242
>ankidrone quizmaster
ankidrone = someone who does nothing but pre-made anki decks and eternally puts off reading because he never feels "ready"

quizmaster mined all his anki cards from his input, ergo he wasn't an ankidrone

>>21149278
lolling so hard at this post

>>21149218
凶

>>21149292
There is literally no one who meets the strawman description of your ankidrone.

>>21149267
>Ankidrones read too
if u can learn nuance from immersion whered ur argument go bud
if u arent confident what the word is then fuckin look it up
ive never in my nihongo career gone oh shit i thought that was a different word for the last month
>>21149278
now ur just baitin aint u i dont believe ur bein real

>>21149306
>if u arent confident what the word is then fuckin look it up
The problem is being confident in something that you got wrong. It happens more often than you'd think, especially without anki.

is it time to give this some more airplay

https://streamable.com/6hm1z

>>21149312
how deep in ur ass do u have to reach to pull out this argument
>>21149323
thats only cuz matt dropped anki now hell never know nihongo

kougou day wah

>>21149278
How can someone doubt this? Maybe they hate nihongo.

seriously their very own "n5" "test" gets this shit wrong? was this test even made by natives?

>>21149306
this was me before i dropped that shit
not literally me but 同感

nihongokoude

Senpai updated the world IQ map. Nips came out on top. This is the language (and media) of the people strongest at language and reasoning. http://viewoniq.org/

>>21149411
ive seen the same story over a dozen times and some new kid always comes around postin no ur makin it up nobody does that

I'll be back when game of thrones comes out and fucks my immersion up anyways.
さちあれ
じゃね～

>>21149449
neps score the worst though.

I'm trying to understand the difference between 天津神 and 国津神, but reading is hard since i'm still at the early stages of learning.
I was able to find this
>大国主など、天孫降臨以前からこの国土を治めていたとされる土着の神（地神）を「国津神」、天照大神などがいる高天原の神を「天津神」という。
From what I can understand, gods such as okuninushi who existed prior to 天孫降臨 are classified as 国津神, where as gods who live in takamagahara, such as amaterasu are classified as 天津神
Am i wrong?

How do I do when I encounter a word during mining that was supposed to be reviewed in anki? How bad is it to my review retention if I pass that card? Should I suspend it for X days more? Should I stop trying to read during this period?

Guys this conversation got me worried. Should I look up every English word I know in the dictionary to make sure I know this language and it's not just in my imagination?

>>21149449
>tfw off by one to be in the triple digit club

i should stop fapping to 2d feet

>>21149509
If you're ESL, you might be surprised by how many words you got slightly off.

>>21149509
id try to answer ur question but u wouldnt really understand what i said only what u think i meant

>>21149532
Never did it for 2d feet. I cant find the right video or stuff. Only to 3d feet

2d feet >>>>> 3d feet

imouto ashi>any feet

What anime is DJT watching/planning to watch this season?

>seasonal shit
Gonna rewatch the entirety of Dragonball now that I've learned like like 3k-4k words while reading. I listened to it raw before (was a cultist for awhile) and had no clue what the fuck was being said most of the time and learned like 10-20 words at most.

first vn i look up from jamal's list has no seeds anywhere except for an english translation.
fucking faggot

Does anyone have Clannad script in txt?
If yes, please share!

>>21149690
doubt it but i'm pretty sure wareya has a page somewhere on his site about extracting scripts from vns:
http://wiki.wareya.moe/Main

>>21149690
>>21149707
found it: http://wiki.wareya.moe/Ripping

>>21149713
>>21149707

oh boy, wonder if I can make it

Man I feel like a fucking idiot attending Japanese classes at university. Half the lesson is the teacher saying something loud and the class repeating it in unison and it's nothing but comical. There is also tons of trannies and autists and as a normal virile healthy male I feel out of place.
I'm way too advanced for this anyway, but I'm attending because all my Japanese lessons are between other lectures and I get free points.
Nice thing is that this class isn't going at a total retard pace (introducing like 30 Kanji per week together with like 100 words) but as a result nobody except the people who already know a ton of Jap like myself can keep up and you are in a room filled with people oblivious to what is going on.

>>21149681
lol thats ur problem

>>21149742
joke's on you sweetheart i'm uninstalling the pic

>>21149744
which vn i want to know if its hard to find or ur not gonna make it

>>21149755
it was yesterday but i think it was kira kira

>>21149734
the only thing worse than retards in Jap classes that don't know shit are the people in jap classes that think they know shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyQs27Rycaw
how can people say pitch doesn't matter? when foreigners get stress accent wrong in english it's annoying.

Beginner here, I've got basic sentence structure and the kanas down. 1000 kanji over summer break (4 months), how hard would it be?

>>21149765
I know more than you and anyone browsing this thread.

>>21149760
did u try google cuz i found a shitty ddl immediately ur gonna have to be a little more resourceful sometimes if u want to play eroge that werent released yesterday

>>21149780
youre not quizmaster
stop pretending

>>21149791
I literally am though.

>>21149774
it's a cope. after you've learned something the incorrect way and are faced with the fact that maybe you should have learned the proper pronunciation, it's easier to convince yourself that it doesn't matter. it doesn't help that all beginner tips tell you to aim low and pitch accent is too hard and doesn't matter

>>21149777
very easy

>>21149794
prove it

>>21149809
You want to battle me or what?
Here is my current stats.

>>21149674
>and had no clue what the fuck was being said
Don't worry, this hasn't stopped others from translating it.

>>21149674
>>seasonal shit
Well, I honestly can't say that you're missing much. This season is shaping up to be pretty shitty overall, though there are a few things which look to be worth watching.

So far I've watched:
>鬼滅の刃
Absolutely gorgeous art (though that's a given with ufotable). Movie-tier quality and worth watching for that fact alone. Looks pretty interesting based on the first episode too. Recommended.

>ワンパンマン (second season)
Goes without saying that this is great. Recommended.

>異世界かるてっと
First episode was kinda funny. Seems like it'll be a fun, light-hearted watch, but unless you've watched all the shows its parodying then you won't get anything out of it (all the shows it parodies are gr8 though so you should go watch those if you haven't).

>ひとりぼっちの○○生活
Really mediocre. A completely sterile rendition of Watamote where the main character is just a bit shy but otherwise basically 100% normal. Expect I'll drop this.

>賢者の孫
Yet another isekai anime with an OP as fuck MC. Seems okay for what it is, but it doesn't look like it'll be anything particularly special. Will probably keep watching it anyway.

>群青のマグメル
First episode was really mediocre and pretty dumb, but the main cast seems kind of interesting. Hopefully that first episode was just a setting-the-stage kind of thing to introduce you to the world and isn't representative of the episodes to come. If the rest of the show continues like this, I can see myself dropping it.

>世話やきキツネの仙狐さん
Cute but kinda mediocre-feeling. Had higher hopes with this being a Doga Kobo production. Hopefully it'll get better.

I had a bunch of other shows on my to-watch list, but they all ended up getting rated <7 on AniDB, MAL, etc. so I didn't bother picking them up. I would usually be watching about twice this many shows.

>>21149777
Use RTK+lazy kanji, you can do all 2000+ common kanji over the summer.

>>21149834
what in the fuck. why do people do this shit?

>>21149681
get owned fucker

>>21149821
still dont think u r quizmaster

>>21149787
i don't want google knowing me
>>21149844
fuck you bitch

>>21149850
get FUcked

>>21149846
I don't really care that much. I was anonymously describing my classes experience until somebody called me out for not being quizmaster which I just had to deny.

>>21149850
little late for that

>>21149855
>which I just had to deny
kawaii

>>21149855
now i know you are quizmaster no one else would be this autistic

I just recently achieved 80% on mature cards after being stuck in the 70s. 以上

以上

what the hell do i need to think of this as conceptually? "more than"?

>>21149898
ｄ(=^‥^=)ｏよくできましたニャ！

>>21149912
If it's at the end of a sentence, it as a different meaning of something like "this is all", saying that the speaker has nothing more to say.
Often said at the end of animu military briefings, etc.

>>21149834
man if anyone ever asks "why bother learning japanese" just show them this

>>21149925
They wouldn't understand what's wrong with it. That's the sad part.

>>21149930
it's not like that dialogue in the english version is "bad," it's just incorrect and completely rewritten, so they probably wouldn't care. esp with the "muh lowbrow media" argument that's been cropping up everywhere lately.

why do nipnops write vertically in manga instead of horizontally

>>21149935
>completely rewritten
It's just localized, bro ;)

>>21149922
i remember feeling like an idiot in nipland because after ordering they said 以上 which i took as "Anything else" when really they so i responded with ない which seems like I was saying no im not done ordering

whoops

>>21149930
I can.
That's really fucked up...

Matt is
L
E
G
I
T
https://youtu.be/SF1_zmj0lLA?t=61

>>21149962
Bretty good, he barely has any gayjin accent.

>>21149945
And that's the problem. I have seen so many mistakes or completely new sentences when they do this. That's why is better to learn japanese.

For some reason I want to read Dragonball now.

so do that shit mother FUCker

>>21149980
Word, he sounds like one of those average Japanese guys off the street in those youtube interview videos

>>21150001
People love to meme on it, and it's got plenty of faults, but it's a solid A rank manga. The pacing and art are much better than that of the anime, too.

>>21149497
ペルソナ？

あんまりくべつはしていないとおもうよ

quizmaster left djt for all time that's a fraud

>>21149804
>>21149838
Alright thanks. How long should I be expecting to put in a day? An hour or so?

>>21150076
If you have time during the summer, put in more time.
I wouldn't recommend kanji studies for half a day though since it's boring as fuck and you will burn out.

A good pace would be 25-35 kanji a day which shouldn't take more than an hour or two, and then do something else like studying grammar.

>>21150015
I'll pick it up once I require enough reading skills but I am only interested in the original series and the Z part.

>>21150073
I wish I could leave but my mental illness won't allow it.

>>21150089
*have acquired oops

>>21150089
Well, those are the only good parts, so that's sensible.

>>21149943
Because manga bubbles are kinda squeezed on the sides, writing vertically makes it easier to fit the text in.

>>21150092

How do RTK friends read 固唾?

Is it もん or かど when talking about the house entrance?

doa

genkan

pueruta

>>21150164
いえのげんかんのすみ（隅）

>>21150152
harden, saliva

>>21150076
you should make 10 cards a day and then learn them

tobira

Matt Bonder

れんげ

>>21150368
とケーキ

supu-n de onani wo suru

>>21150287

伝染 (うつす)　
膣中 (なか)
挿入 (いれる)
射精 (でる)
How many times must the japanese lie to me

>>21150428
chitsunaka

>>21150413
ii fechi da ne

if I wanted to say that blood came out (in terms of came out of my ass when I took a shit just now) would it be

a)血が出てきた
b)血が出てきていた
c)血が出た
d)血が出ていた

or would the correct particle be を?

>>21147186
Because someone told me I couldn't and I'm here to prove her that I fucking can.

>>21150486
chi ga detaaaaaaaaaaaa!
like an anime character

>>21150486
e)血をシャートしちゃった

>>21150493
You are a fool for doubting her judgment.

>>21150486
This post made me realize I do not know how tekuru works

>>21150486
why not は
>>21150513
dont think just feel does it feel like a ｷﾀ kinda event

>>21150486
うんこと共に血が尻から出てしまった

>>21147186
primarily for untranslated vns
i also wanted to be able to watch anime without having to have my eyes glued to the bottom of the screen all the time reading the subs as well as escape my dependency on unreliable scanlation groups who dropped several manga i was reading part way through

no other reasons

>>21150526
If I'm correct, が put emphasis on the topic while は put emphasis on the word that is after the topic or something like that.

>>21150536
ur prospects are lookin good gambareimu

>>21150486
多分重病じゃないが、癌の可能性もあるだるｗｗｗｗｗ

>>21150537
stop reading tyler kim

>>21150526
Because that would sound wrong. It would sound like it's placing emphasis that blood came out rather than something else (contrasting with something else).

>>21150537
i was shitpostin but ur logic is confusin me here cuz the verb aint the surprise in this context

>>21150543
I didn't learn that from tae kim. I watched a misa ammo video.

>>21150546
? again ur confusin me here blood is contrasted with unko

on second thought its a も kinda sitch innit

>>21150553
It's ok you already admitted you were shitposting.
I wouldn't have replied if I read the 2nd of your post in the first place.

>>21150550
stop doing that

>>21150566
I'm not doing it. I just was so confuse about the two particles so I tried watching a video but didn't help. Maybe you can enlighten me.

X Tae Kim
O 大便

>>21150582
>>21150566

>>21150580
>I just was so confuse about the two particles so I tried watching a video but didn't help.
that's because language can't be consciously taught

put the futile, boring grammar explanations aside and start reading compelling content

what the fuck holy shit
it's legit scary how good google's OCR has gotten with their AI revolution

look at this shit
it's accurately recognizing the title card
it's even recognizing all the labels and shit

>>21150604
I started watching this show last week. Don't understand a single sentence.

>>21150541
いやいや、いぼ痔だ、いーぼーじ！

>>21150604
if that shits pulling the info from the internet every time you use it then it's because that image is already in their database

>>21150597
What's compelling content to you? I read vns or manga but haven't been doing it lately.

What is fun?

>>21150652
When you do something and you don't want to constantly tab out and shitpost but actually get immersed for a long time.

I just finished reading my 50th light novel. I've been studying for a long time, and being able to read LNs in the original used to be my end-game nihongo goal, so now I'm struggling to come up with a new goal that's compellingly nerdy enough. I'll probably branch out into literary fiction soon but that's not ambitious enough. Maybe I should aim to be able to write my own shitty light novel within the next ten years? Any good ideas?

>>21150675
what about ancient japanese?

>>21150632
u learn nihongo cuz ur readin compellin shit
u dont ask for some compellin shit to read so u can learn nihongo
if u picked up some "beginner" trash like hanahira cuz u thought u had to suffer through easy boring shit first then try somethin that actually sounds interestin
but if dont feel a draw to keep readin anything u should reconsider the nihongo learnin plans
and holy shit dont be this guy >>21150675

>>21150703
I tried hanahira but I'm better reading something I really want to.

>>21150719
thats what im sayin
if u cant find that ur in trouble
read some descriptions and try some shit

>>21150623
I dunno anon, this is just consistently pretty fucking good

>>21150750
I loved watching that anime years ago and never got to the ending...
Maybe I should read the manga.

諦めなさいまし

>>21150755
do it, you're missing out
the LNs are pretty good too, far above the usual shit that gets pumped out. If it wasn't for the cute and comfy illustrations they wouldn't even be referred to as LNs

>>21150703
Not that dude. I actually enjoyed hanahira, and would love to read more mild-hearted, SOL-ish VNs.