/jp/ - Otaku Culture

thoughts on yotsuba! reading packs?

>>21129815
なんじゃこりゃ

>>21129836
Apparently they're a decent introduction to slurred speech. I kinda regret not trying them out.

>>21129836
Really boring manga, and it's still such a pain to read manga as a beginner that - if it interests you - you would learn more if you started off with text that you could easily highlight for quick lookups on your PC. LNs, VNs, websites, etc.

as i learn new words i realize how easy RTK would be to do again.

Whats with the deleted image why are so many trannies on these site .

ｗｈat a poop ass thread

>>21129950
senpai is protesting that

>>21129948
>going through all that when you see 謁
It must be tough being a total brainlet.

>>21129836
Agree with >>21129938

>>21129993
you can instantly recognize it regardless if you do RTK but that doesn't mean you'll be able to write it.
>inb4 who cares about writing

retarded weebs make shitty threads
who would have thought

looks like its time for me to start makin the threads again

its been a while

grammar guides/references help so much that it's fucking INSANE

わたしは so ゲイ that its fuckin iNSane

>>21129836
worked for me by the third volume yotubato was pretty easy
also yotubato is good

i dont suggest reading yotuba till ur like at least 2500 hours into ur 10000 hours of eng subbed anime

i think its a fine and nice manga tho

>>21129993
>2 parts
>"all that"
lol brainlet

>>21129836
as long as you like it. it's easy enough and everything is going to be a huge struggle when you first start. having a vocab list is nice. don't waste your time with the other stuff.

>>21130169
if u havent watched 2500 hours u dont even have a good reason to learn nihongo

Hello friends, I'm trying to install my first vn and set out on this great journey that learning Japanese is, problem is pic related, I get these weird symbols that I'm pretty sure aren't Japanese, I already changed my locale to Japanese but it doesn't seem to be working, any help would be appreciated!

>>21130297
What vn?

>>21130297
Change your time and date format to Japanese.

If it still doesn't work, recheck that you really have changed your locale because it looks you haven't.

>>21130286
there are no good reasons to learn nihongo

if u think u can give me 1 plz try

>>21130297
ah the classic

>>21130297
whatever u did wasnt changing ur locale

>>21130308
https://vndb.org/v23244
>>21130314
Already did, no luck
>>21130316
isn't this the locale I had to change?

>>21130315
i have 200gb of eroge next question

>>21129938
anyone who unironically thinks yotsuba is boring needs to shut the fuck up and never talk about manga until they've grown past their "shonen battle manga is the best genre" phase

>>21130323
did ya reboot?

X できない
O 不識字

i have no interest in yotsuba stop telling me what to read pleb

>>21130336
read it you modafoka

no one said what to read they said u need to shut the fuck up until ur a grown man

>>21130329
Yes, twice

you're an illiterate neet not a grown man

X よつばと!
O 神鵰俠侶

>>21130325
i never asked u a question

>>21130326
calm thyself weeb

yotubato is actually really funny though and if you don't enjoy it i question your reasons for learning the language at all.

don't tell me you're seriously learning for fucking porn? or worse, weeb moeshit?

>>21130345
Where did you get the VN? Did you download from girlcelly or 2D.G.F. (mikocon)? If not, do so and try again. Maybe you just downloaded a shitty, corrupted rip.

>>21130358
I just want to read NTR.

well when i was younger i was more interested in controversial edgy things which would clearly disqualify yotuba

>>21130358
>don't tell me you're seriously learning for fucking porn?
are there seriously people here who aren't?

X NTR
O 中だし

>>21130358
IDK there's countless manga and other media that is better than goofy dumbass kid does boring shit.

i never interacted with japanese media before i started learning

>>21130375
X NTR
O NTRと中だし

>>21130373
yea but the learning for porn is a funny meme to perpetuate though so i play along usually.

>>21130373
I'm honestly more interested in reading SOL manga than anything else.

For me, it's wuxia novels from Hong Kong

>>21130363
It's girlcelly I believe, same one a friend also downloaded and talked me about, I don't think there's anything wrong with it since I can mount the iso just fine, maybe my windows is fucked?

Even as a beginner, progress feels really good. My goal for learning Japanese is to get to the point that if I ever travelled, I'd be able to read the signs and navigate without relying on English translations; as well as being able to ask directions if I ever get lost. But, I'm still a beginner. I'm still working on memorizing kana; I'm about 60-70% on hiragana and like 10% on katakana. Still a very basic, early stages learner.

I was playing a Japanese video game today that I haven't played in ages, and part of the process to reset your security password is to solve a captcha that's in hiragana. When I played originally, I used a cheat sheet and copy/pasted the kana into the box. It took ages.Today, I saw the captcha and just typed it out. No cheatsheet required. I'm sure this isn't impressive to basically anyone here, but that was a sign to me that the work I've been putting into learning wasn't wasted, that I'm actually getting somewhere, and that this is worth it.

Thanks for letting me puff out my feathers for a minute, this felt super important to me and I needed a place to post it!

>>21130389
Aren't wuxia novels more or less the Chinese equivalent to fantasy/isekai LNs and chuunige?

>>21130382
>is a funny meme

>>21130382
u can enjoy media that isnt porn too but when its time to read some eroge ud best be takin it seriously

>>21130403
No they are way shittier powerfantasy where the mc rapes and kills families for looking at him wrong

>>21130418
i cant endorse that

1-3 vn
4-6 ln
7-9 manga
0 buy the new dbz game on nintendo switch (tm) and play that even though it's in english

>>21130391
Maybe you're missing Japanese fonts?

Struggling to think what else the problem could be. To help narrow it down, it would be a good idea to download a few other VNs and try running those as well. If your problem is Windows-related, then the other VNs you try should all fail to run as well. If not, then the problem is most likely the specific release you downloaded.

fuck off

being a noob was kinda fun cuz everything was new and you went from nothing to being able to read all the kana and knowing some basic words in like 1 week
now in intermediate hell you make like 0.1% progress a day

>>21130451
ur hell is focusin on "progress" instead of bein compelled

>>21130358
it's a good starting point, but you gotta remember the pain. yotsuba's funny chapters have a good payoff when you struggle through, but it's the comfy ones that end up dull, like the fireworks and flower shop chapters iirc.

>>21130458
stop assuming what i think you illiterate trash you have no hope of being able to comprehend one such as me

>>21130451
You just described the learning process of everything in the fucking universe.
Unless you are a fucking god and learn everything in a day.

>>21130466
i aint the one whinin lol
also warfare between the lowercase over somethin as petty as typin style is a sad sight why dont u go back to ur shift key

>>21130451
>being a noob was kinda fun cuz everything was new and you went from nothing to being able to read all the kana and knowing some basic words in like 1 week
i'll never understand this. the beginning wasn't fun. who gives a flying fuck if you can understand some words if you still can't understand the language as a whole? the point i'm at right now (beginner+) isn't really fun either but it's more fun than the very beginning because i can understand SOME shit.

>>21130493
you have to be a language enthusiast or have a soul to find it fun

>>21130500
u mean not have a soul

>>21124653
>>21128202
He's wrong about Anki being less necessary when you're neither a pure beginner nor an advanced learner only occasionally running into very obscure vocabulary.

I've been reading since around August 2017 without using Anki at all, and while my comprehension level now is quite good, my limited vocabulary is such an incredible handicap to my ability to consume media. I have to look up so many words that even if the thing I'm reading/watch is giving me very little difficulty in terms of grammar, it still takes a lot of effort for me to read/watch it.

I was one of the people who took the tripfag's discord vocabulary quiz, and while I didn't go into it expecting to win, I expected to at least do okay. Instead, my performance turned out to be embarrassingly bad. Sometimes I failed to answer the questions in time due to my slow typing speed, but for a lot of the words that came up in the quiz I simply couldn't even guess at what they were. In the end, I only managed to hold my own against an Anki user who has been studying for around third of the time that I have been.

The fact is, until your vocabulary reaches a point where you're only running into one new word every few sentences or something like that, the constant barrage of unknown words, often several per sentence, makes it incredibly difficult to memorize anything but the most common ones which are showing up over and over again. Any word which you aren't being repeatedly beaten over the head with is just not going to have a chance to sink in because it will be buried under an ocean of others just like it.

I don't know how Moogy pulled off this nothing-but-VNs-and-anime thing (maybe it was thanks to the more manual and involved methods he had to resort to in order to look up words back in his day which made him pay more attention to them and thus made them stick better in his head), but it's not working for me. I'm in a situation now where my grammar comprehension is leagues ahead of my vocabulary level, so while I should be able to indulge in more intermediate content by now, something as simple as just consuming slice of life anime is still "hard" for me because of the vocabulary bottleneck I'm suffering from.

Had I been doing Anki all this time, I would probably have a vocabulary of around 12k words by now, but instead it's more like a third of that. I think I've finally reached the point where I'm going to have to cave in and start using it.

>>21130500
i can get being enthusiastic about actually understanding significant bits of the language. finding the learning of the alphabet fun? that's dopey redditor attention-whoring low-IQ shit.

>>21130506
you're a porn addicted consumer who cannot enjoy wholesome activities

>>21130526
surely by wholesome u mean a good story and not some flash cards lol
im pushin eroge every day and i liked readin yotubato when i didnt know any words so ur generalizations off bud
but if ur sayin porn destroys ur ability to get off on anki maybe ur the one worse off here

>>21130512
the truth is u arent gonna read a bunch of vns and watch a bunch of anime and then go win at flashcard duels vs ppl who spend extensive time memorizing

u (hopefully) developed understanding the language itself not pulling kanji out of thin air

anyway if u stay compelled and read vns and shit for like a decade ull find ur bearings but obviously without drilling ur gonna stay weak at kanji for a long time

and what the mount stupids dont want u to know is thats fine

~rome wasnt built in a day~

>>21130512
After some point you need to get comfortable enough in your L2 to understand words in context even if you can't come up with an exact correspondence in your L1 though. This is a skill that Anki vocabulary cards will never teach and I feel it's the most important one. It's somewhat closely related to the idea of going monolingual though.

Making 20k bilingual Anki cards is really not the way to learn either. At that point you're relying on translations way too much.

わたしわげえい

complete newbie here
which grammar guide should I use?

>>21130568
https://nihongobyjamal.neocities.org/

>>21130512
I often feel the same way. I used anki for like a year, then dropped it, and while I'm having more fun reading VNs because I don't have to stop to mine shit constantly, I still feel like it'd be better for me, ultimately, to just bite the bullet and pick it back up. My vocab would be a hundred times better, and I usually have enough downtime at my job that I could sneak it in during the work day anyway.

dont give in to that temptation the reason u wanted to do that is bc u dont know japanese and falsely believe cramming more kanji is gonna be what opens up things for u and its not

>>21130403
Fantasy, sorta. Chuunige, maybe but not really. Isekai, no. MC belongs in his time period, but is often an outcast. The quintessential wuxia novel, 神鵰俠侶 is basically "local social outcast becomes national hero after marrying his female kung fu teacher". A Chinese friend of mine once described the whole concept of 江湖 (common phrase in these novels referring to the "world of martial artists") as being basically gang wars in middle China.

Honestly the best analogue to wuxia in Japanese stuff is 北斗の拳. But for the post apocalyptic setting, it shares almost all the essential tropes: A war among martial artists, a tragic beauty (who may be a martial artist in her own right), the dehumanization of revenge and becoming rehumanized through exposure to society, the strong protect the weak from the not-quite-as-strong who torment them.

>>21130599
I think this site has helped me become a c級 rated djter

these people are beyond help. Willing drone while you can slowly srs 1000 words bit by bit every 30 minutes WHILE having fun.

>>21130599
>your
he doesn't even know english

>>21130412
matto-sama makes me swoon! he is the most memetic!

>>21130607
It's just tiring to know that I'm acquiring vocab slower than others. If I had more time in the day, I definitely would pick it back up. But I feel like you wouldn't much approve of "text hooker+popup dictionary," either, which is what I'm doing to begin with.

>>21130568
suffer through a few shit ones so when you actually get the dictionary of japanese grammar you appreciate it

>>21130653
he is the most meditated

>>21130600
agree with >>21130607 with caveat
drillin some vocab is fine if u dont overdose esp if u want to win them flashcard duels
but u should prob know nihongo before you do that shit so if u dont know nihongo then stick to the readin
>>21130656
comparin urself to a bunch of addicts who are prob the same people gettin tripped up by hentai easier than yotubato is not a good way to be
ur tools are fine try to give urself a couple seconds to figure out the word before u check though

>>21130656
You're probably only reading like 2 hours a day. The only "great results" I've seen from people who claim to have read and not used anki always did like 6+ hours of reading.

lol jps approach is so retarded you dumb fucks are really not using flash cards because some stupid nigger called you a flashtard

>>21130658
this is the best answer someone could give me
thank you

>>21130701
I do use anki, and so do many other people here.
In my case, I happen to be worried because I want to be able to read as I'm learning new words, not long after I'm done memorising a huge set of words.

So there's a dictionary of japanese grammar.

Is there a dictionary of chinese grammar?

>>21130715
Yes, you can get it from reddit/r/learnchinese

Doing no flashcards at all as early to intermediate learners is just as dumb as the people who are ODing on 3-4 hours of Anki per day.

Personally I find it hard to mine moderately so I don't even bother and go through premade lists instead. My gaps are to huge still that I can't do much wrong with this anyways.

>>21130715
There probably doesn't need to be one. Chinese has no volitionals, conditionals, or past tenses.

>>21130728
>Chinese has no volitionals, conditionals, or past tenses.
Eh it does. They're all done with auxiliary verbs, particles, or both.

i do 30-40 reviews a day and 10 new cards which takes ~20 minutes
i believe this is the optimal balance

>>21130727
i support ur hip new 1250 list to get the ball rollin
i think u dont need to mine after that
but ultimately ur gonna do u and the only way ull make it is followin ur own path
btw od is in the 90 min plus territory if i had to pick a number but i recommend u stay under 30 min

>>21130656
the only reason im weary of modern conveniences is because i think lots of ppl misuse them and its all in 1 eye and out the other and never made it to the brain

at the end of the day i think as long as ur compelled and making things comprehensible ur still winning so take that as u will

>>21130680
well i did say 10 mins of flashcards everyday is fine so ill stick by that

>>21130727
maybe but the most common kanji are gonna come anyway and very quickly as soon as u start going thru video games

>>21130759
>tw od is in the 90 min plus territory if i had to pick a number but i recommend u stay under 30 min
In 30 minutes of Anki you should be able to fit in around 250-300 cards including new ones, so that's already plenty. I also would not do more than 30 minutes a day.

I have never used a flash card in my life and I know enough Japanese to consume any piece of otaku media I want. You don't need to use flash cards to learn Japanese.
I also use my Japanese for 8+ hours a day though, so if you don't have that level of kakugo maybe you need to use flash cards

Best thing a noob can do is go 50 new cards a day for a few months and then review it for another. Then delete the deck and create a new one with only max 20 new cards a day and continue this until fluency. The first deck will jump start your passive 語彙 size and let you experience so much japanese to the point where you could eventually start reading anything.

>>21130785
Know the difference between "it's helpful" and "it's essential"

>>21130796
dont see the point of that much mind dulling cramming when u can just watch 10000 hours of eng subbed anime for a few months and then watch it for another

>>21130785
but can you read 祠?

>>21130297

Did you fix it?

You can try googling up the error number(1155)

It seems the.msifile is missing.Maybeyour antivirus deleted it.

>>21130785
Hope you did take the quizmaster shit, otherwise you are just a beginner who shouldnt be giving other people advices

>>21130715
https://resources.allsetlearning.com/chinese/grammar/

>>21130798
Or moreover, "it's more efficient". If you add in flashcarding you can probably maintain your current level of retention on much less than 8 hours per day every day. That way you could, oh idk, have a job.

>>21130800
eng subs are useless noob also there are not 10000 hours in a few months unless by a few months you meant 14
http://learnjapaneseonline.info/2013/11/05/learn-japanese-through-anime/

>>21130806
Thanks that's actually helpful.

Though I am hoping to find a full blown print reference like the DJG series.

>>21130808
>If you add in flashcarding you can probably maintain your current level of retention on much less than 8 hours
this post is embarrassing

Jamal stop you have been fighting this battle for more then 1 year. Ankidrones will never learn. U know why? Because they don't want to.

>>21130808
You're not learning more in less time because you spend your time on anki. All it's doing is helping you remember words so you don't need to keep looking stuff up in the dictionary. It barely qualifies as input and you're not getting the same thing out of it as you would spending 8 hours reading.

he aint engagin im just someone who aint learned to give up yet

>>21130815
Try looking for Practical Audio-Visual Chinese (Taiwan-focused) or Integrated Chinese (Mainland-focused) on tpb or rutracker

日本語　>　中国語　> 　英語

>>21130833
but an akidrone literally pawned this thread into 涅槃

>>21130808
why would you learn Japanese if you don't want to use it all the time? I use Japanese all day every day because I want to, and there's so many things I want to read, watch and listen to, not to "maintain my current level of retention"

>>21130859
>an ankidrone wins at ankidroning
big mystery right there.

>>21130843
謝謝學兄！

>>21130808
matt already explained why this is a false security

are you guys learning 10 new cards a day and putting 80-90 more into your long term memory on top of reading for 6 hours a day? only-readers cant compete

>>21130865
Dear god, I never thought I'd see this behavior outside of the men of Kyrias Joel quitting work to engage in Torah studies.

btw it brings a tear to my eye once every few threads when someone mentions anki without definitions
u aint gonna actually learn meanings of most shit without compelling input
seems logical to put ur focus on gettin them kangxi down and nothin else
if u aint gonna give up anki give it a thought

>>21130881
He is right

New words:

からっきし
湿潤
牛耳る
席巻
馨しい

>>21130886
About what? That the whole goal of learning Japanese like it's a full-time job is to enjoy youth and young adult fiction?

ffs, if you're going to work that hard at least learn enough to earn money from it. Go to law school and get a job translating Japanese patents or something.

>>21130833
i was never fighting and trust me i already know dude

doesnt i mean i still wont have fun making posts like >>21130800

韓國語 > 中文 > 日本語

>>21130878
>10 new cards a day
>101 reviews
fuck. so you'd have to do 5 new cards a day to limit long-term reviews to 50-75 a day?

>>21130875
沒問題。 If you haven't learned the kanji for Chinese yet, do traditional first, and just pick up simplified afterwards if there's some mainland stuff you watch to read/watch. I'm going through a simplified book right now, and it was confusing and disorienting at first (sometimes rage inducing because of how the commies really ruined some characters), but I'm having an easy time now since I've matched most of them to the traditional versions in my head as I went along.

What should I watch next?

>>21130948
i have like 9 decks, only one is the 10 cards a day deck. still only 13 mins. u cant really complain about that

>>21130953
Oh, I took 4 semesters of modern chinese and 2 semsters of classical/literary/poetry in undergrad. It's just been over 10 years and I literally can't do anything but read basic sentences and look up shit in the dictionary (though weirdly enough my speaking is still quite good if I have a pinyin script in front of me lol).

For what it's worth, when I took it in college we started with traditional and moved to simplified after the 2nd semester. Classical/literary was all in traditional again (of course).

>>21130963
i have decks which combined take me about 15 minutes to do, and yes i can complain about that. still feels like a pain even though i used to have a deck that took me 50 minutes to do. 5 minutes would be a great middle ground.

>>21130912
>work that hard
if reading compelling nihongo is work for u then ur in the wrong game

>>21130962
High Score Girl Extra then Endro then Go-toubun then Girly Air Force then whatever

>>21130971
Lol, knew classes were bad but didn't expect them to be THAT bad
Just treat Chinese Grammar Wiki or PAVC as a sort of Chinese Tae Kim replacement and move on to immersion immediately

>tfw New Matt Video anon isn't going to post the link to Matto's Patreon Q&A's here anymore
It was fun while it lasted :(

>>21131034
>bad
Huh? When I was fresh out of college I could’ve lived and worked in either mainland or Taiwan. I could have probably taken university courses. My current quality is due to 10 years of neglect, nothing else.

>>21131042
Oh that's nice. I just wanted to shit on classes to fit in here.

>>21131046
Kek all good my bro

If we’re talking about being bluepilled, what color blue would you say the pill is?
青，藍，紺，ブルー？

>>21131075
I would just say Blue with emphasis on the L to impress the Japanese girls.

>>21131075
藍 is chinkanese
青 is nippanese

>>21131093
痴漢語?

>>21131093
The Chinese use both 青 and 藍 though.

>>21131134
>青
Where? in 青春？

what was your first manga aggregator site you visited in your life?
For me it was mangareader.net

Like a decade ago

>>21130756
by 2030 you'll be fluent

>>21131075
蒼

>>21131075
群青色

M.A.T.T
A
T
T

kyarubin

dogen

when is karbin really comin back with a vengeance his third youtube account is still empty

>>21130367
Off yourself instead.

>>21131149
There’s just not a 1:1 correspondance between basic colors in English and Chinese.
English has blue and green.
Chinese has 青，藍，綠.
Sometimes people explain 青 as “blue-green” but that’s not the whole story.

Akira liveaction film . FINALY i can show it to my normalnigger friends and not be ashamed it even features a completely original plot in neo-jewtropolis

whats ur issue

his calvininput twitter is down now. jeeze what the FUCK xiaovin

imagine bein too ashamed to show ur friends fuckin akira lol

>>21131184
delusional cardtard

What would a /djt/ alignment chart look like? Has anyone ever done it?
Chaotic Evil: Remembering the Kanji (RTK)

https://youtu.be/RhB3OTg20M0

you dudes go

>>21131271
Lawful good: Studying Chinese

>>21131269
here you dudes go****

no one has ever gotten good at japanese without rtk

>>21131271
>>21131277
Lawful evil: Matt

everyone here is neutral or evil the good ones don't come to this time waste shithole

>>21131271
>>21131277
>>21131286
True neutral—Anki

anki doesnt even work, I got fluent just immersing.

>>21131323
you got shit on by the quizmaster though

>>21131329
who?

latest inside celeb

True neutral: Living and working there in an immigrant community

>>21131269
lol i skipped around to find him actually reading and i foudn this lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhB3OTg20M0#t=1120

nice windows sound change bruv

btw if yall cant recognize that voice clip and where its from dont ever @ me

>>21131329
u gotta know what u want and go for it my dude
quizmaster wants to be a quizmaster good for him
eroge enthusiast wants to read eroge good for him
u can laugh at their shortcomings outside their interests like how matt cant talk to a woman without makin them walk out of the room but the fact is that boy doesnt like nihongo he likes flash cards so can u really say hes unhappy
maybe matt was a bad example but u get what im tryin to say here jack of all trades master of none just go get what u want boy and pay no mind to anyone who thinks u should care about somethin else

Is there any way to read the 日経経済新聞 other than paying the ridiculous price?

>>21131271
LG: Genki
NG: Tae Kim
CC: KanjiDamage
LN: Quizmaster
TN: Namasensei
CN: ゲイ posters
LE: Matt
NE: anti-Anki posters
CE: random shitposters

>>21131271

>>21131372
>btw if yall cant recognize that voice clip
if u cant use google u cant make it
are u sayin i should play that next

>>21131415
>>21131417
Where are the Chinese posters in this framework?

>>21131451
"random shitposters"

>>21131372
https://youtu.be/RhB3OTg20M0?t=1237
nitoshi lol

How many cards should I have gotten through on anki on the VN2K or the core6k/10k in order to actually know most of the vocabulary in an average-difficulty VN?
1500? 2000? 4000?

ただし、安全日だからって、中出ししても妊娠しないというわけではないらしいです。

>>21131469
all of them for both

>>21131451
Pure evil. A true lover of Chinese culture would seek the golden median and allow each person to fulfill their duty in their own way, be it by learning Japanese or Chinese.

>>21131460
Wow, rude.

I can't seem to remember some words i learned on anki, is it best i keep letting them pop up 10 minutes and see if i remember them or just review it again tomorrow. I notice im spending alot of time on anki trying to remember these words, rather than having immersion or grammer study

>>21131418
not exactly but maybe

it has a couple really godawful routes as is the case when u have multiple writers

>>21131451
you don't really matter and to the extent that you do matter you're a blight

>>21131468
this is what happens when u dont watch ur anime

>>21130962
hi score girl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmAVcnTmT6Y

doesnt bang

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT09vlliD7A

从从从从从从从从从从从从从

>not learning Japanese and then Chinese (to read pure kanji texts) and then Korean (to read the only other language in the world with similar grammar to Japanese)

>>21124653
His section on translation seems fairly uninformed. Coming from a professional translator with several years of experience. I don't know about the future but right now media localization companies are expanding and pawing for good translators, as they have been for a decent number of years. You won't be forced to deal with manuals or whatever for years to build up experience. One company I just sent an email asking to join, they gave me a test, I passed, and that was that. I was working on compelling media. The real question is just "are you good enough at Japanese", not "how many years of manuals have you translated." If you want to work on compelling media that suits your interests you can do so the second you're good at Japanese. Right now anyway. The market might be a lot different in 5 years.

Going to ignore his minor uninformed points and tackle the one he described as the major factor: "All translations suck". This is a common sentiment. I can understand it. Translation does fundamentally alter the text and generally you will be failing to express the same idea as the Japanese in the same way. Sure. But that doesn't mean the translation sucks. I think the mistake Matt's making here, and the mistake I think a lot of people unfamiliar with translation make, is that it really does not fucking matter how much shit is lost in translation. Like, it really doesn't matter.

He mentions 逆ギレ as an example of a Japanese word that will be lost in translation since English doesn't have an exact equivalent. Sure. Who gives a fuck? It's not a big deal. So you have to reword the conversation in English a bit to cover for the lost word. Who cares? The resulting conversation won't be meaningfully different. It's not like the fundamental sentence structure and words used in Japanese are an almighty holy grail of brilliance, and changing them at all will result in a sucky translation. I might go so far as to say the most important thing to know as a translator is how little the Japanese text itself actually matters. That's somewhat of an exaggeration, but seriously. Specific word choice tends to be the result of cultural habit, like saying a common idiom since it's common in that culture. It's not like the usage of that idiom is suddenly a supremely important concept that will forever be lost in English due to a similar idiom not being present. It's just expressing an idea and rewording that idea to fit in English is not a big deal and does not impact much. The overall experience between a Japanese work and that work properly translated into English will be nigh identical. An autistic poring through the TL files will notice a fair amount of difference, but with a bit of thought, you can generally see that the changes barely matter in the grand scheme of things.

Anyway I could go on because translation is a complex subject but yeah. Matt's view on translation is very uninformed. I'm no e-celeb bird watcher so I can't say much but it feels like a lot of these "Japanese Learning Personalities" that have cropped up over the past few years have very weird, very uninformed perspectives on translation, as if one among their ranks had a bad experience and then poisoned everyone else's opinion with it. Translation is a pretty solid job that pays well and feels meaningful, not to mention how you can generally work from home. (Several of these companies have offices in Japan and it's very easy to ask for them to sponsor a visa which will enable you to live in Japan for a bit if you want.) I'm really baffled by how many of these people are warning learners off becoming a translator. I think they could be ruining a few people's lives by turning them away from a path that would have brought much fulfillment to their lives.

The one person who had a solid take on translation was Dogen, who said that the translation field is growing more competitive and shrinking over time. There are an increasing number of translators, and machine translation is growing in size. It sounds ridiculous but translation agencies in particular have been kickstarting machine translation initiatives where they shift focus to hiring people to edit machine translation rather than translators. Faster and saves costs. It remains to be seen how much the translation field will shrink due to this but it is a significant concern. The problem with this position, however, is precisely that the true effects remain to be seen. Maybe the field won't shrink that much. Maybe it'll take 30-40+ years to really be impacted negatively. Maybe WW3 will start in 10 years and destroy the world. You have no way of knowing any of this, so avoiding a career path you're interested in solely out of fear for potential problems that might not come to pass seems pretty silly to me. It's good to keep your options open, though.

>>21131629
lets see if u can handle nihongo first and u can dream about the future later bud

lolled at huge wall of text then read 2 sentences and lolled again realizing oh its this guy again and didnt read the rest lmao

>>21131631
Dogen said that translation work will no future in Japan in the coming years because of muh AI, please criticize him too, not just Matt
https://youtu.be/_8dOSyg0LTU?t=3100
51:40

>>21131631
Can I be a translator if I suck at writing and can only produce trash but at least I understand Japanese? Asking for a friend.

ive been in the game as far as automation on that shit goes and they always say 5 more years then 5 more years go by and they keep sayin 5 more years lol

it might get there eventually but ne1 who doesnt literally work at google should have their opinion disregarded on how soon

>>21131645
>because of muh AI
Why do people think this? I know AGI will happen one day and when it does we're all fucked. But until then we'll be OK, and I don't see this breakthrough happening any time soon. Not within the next century.

>>21131645
Note the last paragraph bro
AI's a real problem right now, companies built around machine translations are entering the market and competing, sometimes very well, but it's hard to tell how much of a problem that will really be in the relevant future (i.e. prior to a potential AI singularity that will boost machine translation to human levels and erase translation as a job).
>>21131649
Not generally. I have a ESL friend who is perfect at Japanese that keeps getting rejected for his bad English. The best you can hope for is to wriggle your way into a translation agency or some other place that barely cares about quality.

Of course this depends on how much you're exaggerating your own lack of skill. Mediocre writing is fine. It needs to be actually trash ESL tier to lock you out of most jobs.
>>21131657
The problem isn't MTL being good, it's MTL being just good enough for humans to edit it into something that consumers will be fine with.

>>21131672
were arguably already at that point then if u just want shit that still needs human proofing

maybe the 5 years will finally come for technical docs and legal writing but anyone who thinks anything less straightforward and unambiguous than that is gonna be handled by ai in a couple decades is beyond delusional
although that doesnt mean that companies wont succeed at selling garbage tier machine translations lol

>>21131672
I'm a native English speaker but I never creatively write, and sometimes I have trouble conveying my thoughts in places like this in an articulate way. I might just be "mediocre" but I'd bet anyone who's taken a writing class is better than me.

>>21124653
>1:24:00
>I'm just going around flipping a coin on whether I'm gonna say DOCtor or docTOR.
Well put Matt. It's OK to prioritize everything else above pitch accent but if you neglect pitch accent completely then you must have no pride in yourself.

>>21131712
I think you could make it, if you spend like, a year or so fan translating and getting a feel for the process. Dry/simple writing can be fine as long as you capture the intended idea well.

ESLs are no good because they can't even express simple ideas without stumbling. An example from my friend, he didn't know the difference between a/an until I told him. He just rolled with "a" every time before that.

>He just rolled with "a" every time before that.
should've of done MIA

Every time a game comes out with a shit inaccurate translation, everyone gets up in arms about it, though. Machine translation just won't ever be good enough for that kind of shit.

at least machine translation wont fill shit with western memes though

>>21131745
>Every time a game comes out with a shit inaccurate translation, everyone gets up in arms about it, though.
Not everyone, some dudes on 4chan. The majority of people are silent and they don't care.

to be fair he did say the field is just getting more competitive. most translators probably wouldn't be good enough to work on popular games anyway hopefully. it's the shitty/mediocre translators that would get pushed out.

Has matt ever shown the ability to write Japanese? I mean on paper including recalling all the Kanji and all that jazz.

Why is the kanji for "abuse" (弊害) used in the word for humbly saying "our company" in promotional materials: 弊社?

>>21131629
For me it was Chinese first to force myself to prevent myself from being complacent and developing bad habits with kanji learning and memory.

>>21131762
Capitalism is murder.

survival of the fittest

>>21131750
>most translators probably wouldn't be good enough to work on popular games anyway hopefully.
Oh how naive. The suits that assign translators generally aren't too familiar with the skills of their translators, nor do they even appreciate the popularity of works beyond what some people advise them. I'll avoid saying names but suffice to say I've seen newbies be put on very prestigious, difficult works as their first job just because the newbie was available at a convenient time.

You might think, because it makes sense for the world to be this way, that upon acquiring a popular franchise with a high potential for profit that a company will proceed cautiously, hire the best translator they can for it, and schedule things so as to maximum quality for customer satisfaction. In reality the conversation often goes like "Okay, this series is fucking long, let's assign three different translators to speed shit up. Who's available? Put them on it." and that's that.

Shitty/mediocre translators only get pushed out if there's an internal coup or public outcry. Internal coups occur when someone working with the bad translator gets upset and starts stirring those around them to get the person off the job. If this doesn't happen, it is very rare for the bad translation to be caught before it comes out. (I expected heavy supervision on my first job, but literally nobody outside of the core TL team saw my work before it was released.) This can repeat infinitely with the bad translator facing no consequences, unless there's public outcry. Enough people complaining about a translation that someone in a position of power notices and deems it unacceptable. But even then, nothing significant may happen. Maybe some other company hires the translator. Maybe they're in an agency and they just get shuffled around.

>>21131762
I would suspect it’s a sort of self-depreciation. “Our lowly company”, “I’m just a simple country lawyer”. That’s the best analogy I can come up with in English. The Chinese meaning of the character is also pretty negative. And by “pretty” I mean extremely. It’s used in compounds meaning “fraud” and similar.

>>21131788
This sounds like the kind of work that I could do maybe 5 years from now when I'm good enough to feel confident in my reading. I already have a degree in English so that might look good, too. Is the pay decent? I hear it's not a great plan to try to live only off of translation, but if I could at least work maybe 20 hours part time a week and then the rest translation it might be nice enough to not feel shitty all the time.

>>21131755
there's a video of him showing off his writing deck where he'd write the kanji or write words/sentences.

>>21131805
this depends on what kind of things u can translate and who u know basically

>>21131805
>Is the pay decent?
Pay's really good with successful companies. Manga is the dream job since you get paid by page, and some pages have little to no text. One volume was text sparse enough that I made something like $100 an hour doing it. The two concerns are thus: One, most positions nowadays are for freelancers, so no health care or benefits (yes I'm American), two, if you shack up with a struggling or even failing company the pay will be a lot lower.

Manuals and boring shit manage to pay the best but I find that this is offset by how much extra effort you have to put into properly translating the jargon. My friend got stuck translating an article on touch screen solar panels or something in Japanese and it was the funniest fucking thing watching him take forever to finish a relatively short length of text.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is5r1DPLX8s

>>21131631
please recommend me to ur bosses im a translation prodigy thank you sir

>>21130962
mob sickomode 2 is pretty good

>>21131658
AGI is a meme for, among others, reason that you stated
machine translations is what affects translations business

>>21131712
read nigga read

>the pronunciation changes depending on the order of the kanji
well shit

>>21131805
If you can do Japanese patents you can make big fucking money if you associate with the right law firm. There’s always huge demand for bilingual English-Japanese in the US intellectual property law field.

>>21131831
So basically, I gotta get my N1 and shove my dick into VIZ' front door. Got it. Thanks for all the info, anon. I'm gonna be living with 2 roommates for the foreseeable future, so I think this could really work.

lmafo wakaitte iina

>>21131889
Wait would you ever say 習学?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhB3OTg20M0
You will never have the courage to record yourself reading to teach others

>>21131932
it wouldnt really help anyone because it would be disingenuous of me to pretend i dont understand all the shit. cant really relate to what beginners feel when they read something and dont have a clu

>>21131903
I don't even have an N1, though it's better to have it than not.
Sufficiently large companies like VIZ tend to have only intermittent openings, so keep your options open. I really recommend doing some fan translation to build up experience. The majority of people suck real bad at translating until they spend enough time to get a feel for it. You don't want your first time translating to be on a company test.

>>21131943
so you've never tried taking n1 tho right...

>>21131943
That makes sense, yeah. I did scanlate some manga in my first year of studies (and if I went back now at the end of my second year, I'm sure it'd be embarrassing to look at). I think this could actually be a career I might try to pursue.

>>21131755
https://youtu.be/Q2DSYhjf5-0?t=1671

>>21131932
Why would I, who knows japanese, go out and make tuts?

>>21131998
https://vocaroo.com/i/s0RYPh6WwowD lmfao

>>21131959
Right. There's no location near me and I don't feel like travelling for a test I don't need. Maybe someday.
>>21131960
Good luck. Just hope AI doesn't take over before then!

Today's word: 鍔迫り合い
Make sure you also learn 鍔 if you haven't yet.

X パソコン
O 電脳

i like how matts on preemptive damage control already dismissing any potential claims that hes not good lol

X マルウェア
O 惡意軟件

X ＬＡＮ
X ローカルエリアネットワーク
O 構内通信網

>>21132061
脳内チップでダイブ（没入）

X エルダップ
O 輕量式目錄接達規約

Ⅹわたしはゲイ
〇我是GAY

anki flashcard import from rikai and yomi have stopped working, anyone experienced this issue?

× 結婚してください！
〇 ATMになってください！

>chinese leaners
>A > B posters
>0 A X B posters
Whatever is happening you need to やむ

<-- 〇
<-- 〇

read and grow fat

Should I stick to reading stuff that I can understand well, or is it better to get into stuff where I might encounter unknown words or slightly hard to decipher constructions?

stfu

read loli stuff

read whatever makes your dick hard

>>21131372
>he says "wallah" not "voila"

easy way to spot a brainless NPC retard

big tits neesans only or ur not gonna make it

imouto ashi
nnn umai

Having friends may be NPC behaviour, but having rivals isn't. I'll battle you any time!

>>21130358
I take my fap time extremely seriously.

/djt/, I just listened Matt talk shit about DJT, why would he do that, what do
https://youtu.be/o9cErhwlxrg?t=1879

X 日本少女
O 韓國少女

>>21132356
>spending money to listen to some mutt basedboy talk about this

HAHAHAHAHAHHA god i can't believe there's people that do this

yes i know you probably didn't

X AES暗号
O 高級加密標準

X ＡＳＣＩＩ
O 米国信息交換標準符号

X 大陸辣妹
O 台灣辣妹

X 茶色い皮膚日本女子
O 白い皮膚日本女子

>>21132363
X 韓国少女
O 整形少女

X AVI
X オーディオ ビデオ インターリーブ
O 音頻視頻交織格式

>>21132416
不錯啊！

X BIOS
X バイオス
O 基本輸入輸出系統

>>21132185
update ankiconnect and/or anki

X ブロックチェーン
O 區塊鏈
△ 分散型台帳

>>21132290
all 胸 deserve love
u can have the tits that could be used for murder

この俺様の実力を知らない連中の集まりだよねここは。。。

X 巨乳
O 貧乳
O 無乳
△ 男乳

>>21132485
O 爆乳
O 奇乳

さくらふぶきはじまった

きゃー
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOewqFb4EcI

X CJK統合漢字
O 中日韓文統一表意字符集

X 巨根
X 一物
X 陰茎
O 包茎

>>21132493
>奇乳
才不要

>>21132508
わからん

なにご？

>>21132504
一物一価の法則

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm34485668

>>21129815
The fuck happened to the OP? can't see such crap in the catalog

>>21132514
天下地上無比的語言

>>21130564
>After some point you need to get comfortable enough in your L2 to understand words in context even if you can't come up with an exact correspondence in your L1 though. This is a skill that Anki vocabulary cards will never teach
uhh if the definitions are in japanese tho?

>>21132465
男の胸まで? *シャツを脱ぐ*

>>21132543
sure but someone else can handle that one too

X シャツ
O 襯衫

X トラウザーズ
X ズボン
O 褲子

Ok, here is a quiz for you.

>>21132590
don't like that

>>21132590
௵さん

>>21132590
>50 years old
please tell me this isn't the personals

>>21132623
>>50 years old

>>21132656
oh whoops conflated the traditional 歲 and simplified 岁 in my head and read 五十嵐 as that.

>>21132623
bro...

>>21132669
you can see a 歲 literally in the next line

>>21132755
You think I read the next line? lol

theres a lot more than that to tip u off
just let the nakagunigoers go on

>>21132459
>update ankiconnect and/or anki
yomi cant connect to anki for some reason, any advice? I upgraded anki, but theres no new versions of anki connect

>>21132771
I can't read japanese lmao

what IS tomoko saying in the last block? i don't get it at all

>not watching the anime instead
what IS wrong with you

>>21130701
>lol jps approach is so retarded you dumb fucks are really not using flash cards because some stupid nigger called you a flashtard
who is jp also no n word please

>>21132838
I fucked up right at the end of Heisei!?

>>21130878
do you recall the reading only or do reading and meaning?

>>21132838
“i fucked up on the last day of heisei?!”
also kudos for reading watamote

>>21133024
>>21133035
thanks, but i don't get "heisei". it says "heisei era" in the translator but nothing else. is this a pun?

>>21131417
is the black guy in the middle jamal?

>>21130884
but what about words where the reading doesn’t fit either of the kanji like 素人
to anki or not to anki

おにいちゃん

だいすき

>>21133058
You're serious?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisei_period

>>21133058
the heisei era is about to end in less than a month, thus things being 平成最後の is a hot topic

>>21133087
yea i'm serious. i don't know everything about japland
>>21133111
thanks. it's weird how they just won't use CE

>>21133071
irrelevant its still about words not just tryin to memorize all the common kanji readings
exceptions might be better to focus on than shit like 広義 thats ez from exposure to other words if u actually read
but if the words real common its ez anyway
i aint gonna say how to decide what to anki just remember u can learn without anki and choose ur own destiny find what works for u

>>21133147
>it's weird how they just won't use CE

>>21130002
>He thinks greentexting "inb4" makes him immune to criticism 11 hours later
who cares about writing?

Reminder that the guy who tried to claim that reading off a script was easy and you could give off the illusion of being much better than you are by reading off a script was given an N1 script (he self-proclaimed N1 status) and an entire day to read off the script, and was allowed to edit in multiple cuts so he just had to say one line at a time. He accepted the challenge. That was 3 days ago and he never posted his script reading.

Point being, Dogen reading off a script does not mean he isn't a God, he wrote the scripts as any comedian writes theirs.

DJT dekinai pretends to be good then ditches lol surprise surprise never seen that one before

>>21133206
must hurt to share the status of being only half right and with someone like that

>>21133234
My argument was that it was difficult to memorize a script full of words and grammar you didn't already know and he said it was piss easy then he didn't (couldn't) deliver. Sometimes you just gotta put Literal Dekimasens in their place.

i mean hes still right that you can give the illusion of being much better than you are with a script and editing lol

せいれき

は

いつおわれるの？

>>21133260
oh i didnt know u were talkin about that big of a difference between how much u suck and how good ur tryin to look

mine if needed:
虚
嘘
戯

>>21133307
もちろん宇宙暦が始まるころ

>>21133338
せんそうしておうべいがまけるってこと？

うちゅうじんならかちそうだけど

Can't get Animelon to load any videos on any browser. Anyone else have this problem? My internet is 30-40 Mbps dl

>>21133338
葛藤
why is there a conflict between kudzu and wisteria?

How am I doing guys?

>>21133459
>葛 (かずら) や藤 (ふじ) のこと。枝がもつれ絡むところから

>>21133459
I looked it up. Apparently the word comes from two vine type plants entangling onto each other. Pretty cool.

Here's a fun related phrase: 詭負葛藤

>>21133462
how are you planning on absorbing that much vocab?

>>21133491
Repetition. Also doing 空書 is really helpful to remembering specific strokes and differentiating between hanzi.

>>21131475
Kobeni is for impregnation. and your grammar is off

What level do you have to be at to read vns? How long will it take to get there if I study 4 hours a day? I'm at a level where I can watch raw anime and more or less get the gist, and I can read all the hiragana, some katakana, but not a whole lot of kanji. I have a 4 hour commute in total going to and from my classes 4 days a week, so I figured I could study while on the bus instead of just listening to music and watching anime, and study the same amount on the weekends instead of playing translated vns like normal.

>>21133503
>not a whole lot of kanji
rip

>>21133503
>I can watch raw anime and more or less get the gist
Aka "know a few japanese words"
Just start reading already, suffering is the only way to finesse.

>>21133503
do aniki for some months
dont touch rtgei its order is dumb and is overall not worth
you cant do shit without knowing at least 2k hanzi

>>21133497
unless you're really good at languages, or know this language, you're gonna burn out pretty quick trying to do 65 cards/day

おおかみとこうしんりょう

>>21133522
only watched the anime
did they fuck

>>21133517
I'm really good at languages and know the language decently well. Today's session was pretty taxing though (I guess because I missed yesterday? idk, i don't get this anki shit)

>>21133525
yeah a sequel series came out at some point and they have a kid now

>>21133503
you get good at reading by reading everything else is supplementary

>>21133531
>everything else is supplementary
Which doesn't mean "everything else" isn't worth doing. Writing makes reading and learning vocab at least three times easier. Speaking makes learning the pronunciation much easier as well.

>>21133462
After doing RTK I was able to go through C6K at 40 cards a day, barely. Things started piling up near the end so it wasn't sustainable. Doing this many cards is going to have you drowning in reviews.

>>21133537
>Which doesn't mean "everything else" isn't worth doing.
sure but he asked when he can start readin and the answer is do it

>>21133529
so they can make babies
hot

>>21133473
くずとふじはゆうめいね

にわにうえてはいけないやつ

>>21133537
Don't be ridiculous. For writing to make learning vocab "three times easier" would mean at least some people would learn three times as much vocabular in a given number of hours if the study included writing practice. This is not possible. If this is not what you mean, clarify.
>>21133544
If someone wants to read a long comforting explanation, this guide is good. I found it comforting at least.

https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/anon/alternativeguide.html

>>21133555
>would mean at least some people would learn three times as much vocabular in a given number of hours if the study included writing practice
No. What I mean is that by learning how to write characters, you build a second set of pathways for which characters are remembered: the visual shape, and the muscle memory of the strokes. Kind of like how you can type on a keyboard without knowing where the individual keys are or thinking about "now I need to strike the letter 'f', now 'a', now 'g', ..." You just move your fingers. The same is true of kanji, and moreover, this system works both ways: You can trigger your memory of the character and its meaning by recalling the movement associated with the character.

You literally will be able to learn new characters three times faster. It's the equivalent of making your cards red.

>>21133547
子作りは最高です

>>21133499
She needs 5-8 oni babies including several lolis.

Why did the Japanese decide to make the most difficult language in the history of humanity? How does that benefit them at all?

>>21133528
i don't know how to program aniki to give you a day off. i'm sure someone here knows

>>21129836
>>21129938
>>21130339
>>21130387
Manga isn't reading though.

>>21133587
u mean the easiest language

>>21133587
You know how it is. Nihongo is sort of a mishmash of eight different Asian and Pacific languages. That's why kanji sometimes have 12 readings, and some spoken words mean 80 different things. I don't think this language was 作った or わざと in any way. Maybe nips are (linguistically) smart enough that it wasn't burdensome, while the stupid English favored the most simplification.

>>21133587
That would be English.

>>21133606
>Maybe nips are (linguistically) smart enough that it wasn't burdensome, while the stupid English favored the most simplification.
Hilariously the shit you're describing as being complex and the result of such strange happenings is present in more or less exactly the same way in English.

Found a decent beginner learning site called "News in Slow Japanese", take a look. It's free
https://newsinslowjapanese.com/2019/04/02/japanese-listening-239-sleep-cafe/

>>21133587
But it's quite the simple language. All the 漢語 homonyms can in theory be an issue, but in practice it's not really a factor in spoken language and kanji makes that a non-issue in written language.
Really the hardest part is all the social nonsense that isn't a fundamental part of the language anyway.

>>21133626
>social "nonsense"
>not a fundamental part of language

What does /djt/ think about shadowing?
Is it just a meme or does it actually help you learn?

X キアロスクーロ
O 明暗對照法

>>21133635
>shadowing
what is?

子作り

sou dawa
nakadashitte ii koto wane-

X デウスエクスマキナ
O 天外救星
O 舞台機關送神
O 機械降神
O 機器神
O 解圍之神
△ 機械仕掛けから出てくる神
△ 機械仕掛けの神

巨きすぎる

いい = good
いい = saying
Now the difference zengin!

>>21133555
>You find yourself able to understand simple sentences like みんな犬ばかりだ without needing to intentionally translate them
that sentence could mean several things depending on the context though

ピエロの世界
>>21133745
It's so confusing, I think he's trolling.

>>21133635
meme. You need to write to completely feel confident . If you are ocd is hell. Pen and paper faggot

>>21133587
Korean is harder than Japanese
1. 10x more sounds
2. 10x more pronunciation exceptions and irregularities
3. No kanji
4. Homophones don't have pitch accent to distinguish them, so no way to distinguish gook words that are along the lines of bridge/chopsticks/edge and nose/flower without context

>>21133899
まるばつもうやめたの？

>>21133745
>that sentence could mean several things depending on the context though
Unlike most sentences, which can only ever mean exactly one thing

>>21133899
i think you're exaggerating. plus their alphabet is something that is built up with fewer symbols, you'll never know all the kanji off the top of your head

How come it's ちゃん and not ちあん ?

>>21134146
the reason it's ちゃん instead of ちぁん is purely historical
same for why chen isn't ち(small ye that doesn't exist)ん but rather ちぇん

What's with the disproportionate amount of one-letter-name tinder profiles where the letter happens to be "M" (and to a lesser degree "S")? Is this what I think it is or do a lot of them just have names starting with M

>>21134115
i dunno, 92 fixed kana symbols is better than 400 possible letter combinations

hanguls r literally the easiest thing abt korean i promise

>>21133587
They take pride in its difficulty. Also infinite puns with homonyms and kanji.

there is no difficulty when it comes to language

u either know the shit or u dont

theres no progression between not knowing a thing and knowing a thing other than to come to know the thing

>>21134622
imagine being this stupid

debate me plz

Id rather use my free time to learn. Sorry, fella

then keep reading my posts : )

oh yeah

.tfw you never cool as your quizmaster senpai ;/. Why even live.

What's a good N3 textbook, /djt/? Btw I am jumping straight to N3, I have Tae Kim and about a year of Anki under my belt. Also some practice through chatting with Japanese people on HelloTalk

watch anime and do flashcards for 2 years and ull be ready to strut ur stuff in djt

>>21134739
Tobira. But you could also just read and look shit up, works too.

>>21134739
honestly just read VNs/LNs, watch anime (jp or no subs), do anki if that's your thing
worked for me, didn't open textbook since tae kim because it's boring as fuck

>>21133206
it's kinda like ***t and y**a said, which is that even if you're reading a script you have to be good in the first place to "fake it" as well as they do.

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>>21134810
I am taking the N3 in July and I want to have a 1% chance of passing versus 0, think reading alone would only take me to 0.5

open the tobira

>>21133206
comparing blowgen to any comedian is the poorest joke of them all

>>21133899
even dekinai george from jpz thinks korean is way easier than japanese. can't shut up about it in fact.

>>21134739
I recently took a look at N3 example questions for the first time, after doing the Tae Kim / Anki / Reading routine for 6 months now. They were all very doable and I have done zero textbook study so far.

You don't really need that to pass an N3 probably. The questions is however, why bother with N3? Personally my goal is to do the N1 in 2020 straight up, not sure if I'll manage but that remains to be seen.

lots of native koreans can speak good sounding english yet almost no japanese ppl can

this leads to two possible conclusions

korean is easier than japanese to learn for a native english speaker and vice versa

or koreans just have higher iq than the japanese

txt ur vote to 42069 now

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>someone makes a satirical op image with trump in it because his initials match up with this thread title's
>butthurt tumblrina janny deletes in 5 seconds because "me no like blompf!"
>the thread gets spammed full of this stupid shit
>janny does nothing

honestly if i were gonna make a post like that i would have to quote every post in the thread and thats just too much effort to do for free

>>21134872
koreans have more sounds which are similar to english so they have an easier time hearing and thus pronouncing those sounds. but i never consider pronunciation as a factor in the difficulty of learning a language. maybe i'm just underestimating production but what matters is how hard a language is to comprehend. then again i do plan on studying pitch accent for a few months so maybe that's why production in other languages seems like a joke in comparison.

>>21134864
So I can have an idea of my progress and the pressure is a great motivator. It doesn't cost much to take the JLPT at all.

>>21134909
well more sounds is a reasonable explanation for why japanese ppl sound so horrible with english at least

>>21134917
That's alright I guess but my point still stands that you don't really need guided study material to get to that level. Especially if you really just want to measure your progress it seems counterproductive to study specifically for a test.

>LN is full of kansai-ben
>nowhere to be found in the anime

>>21134816
being this braindead

IS THE LN SUPPOSED TO BE FUNNY ALSO SRY CAPSLOCK

How true is this statement?

>>21134884
>call the jannies out on their shitty, inconsistent moderation
>instantly deleted
>spam posts left untouched

>>21134992
idk what the second word is but i hope it's related to butts