/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>been one first place away from ranking up for two weeks
Everytime I get close to it some bullshit happens...

sorry for not putting a title. I put one first but my webm was too big and I forgot to type it in again.

Wild.

Where can I get tiles in this color?

The new books arrived!

>>21073473
So is this game really this much of a cultural thing across all ages? Or is it like Bridge or something here where only old people care about it

Who is your favorite pro?

>>21073473
I'm pretty jealous, I can't read moonrunes and there just aren't very many books in English

are two player riichi played same? I am specifically talking about those video mahjong found in mame

Your 2019 MLeague champion

>>21074283
it's a niche thing. many old people play, yeah. http://fukuchi.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2019/03/12-8365.html
here you can see that one printing of a mahjong book is 2000 copies, while one printing of the cis book is 20000 copies for example.
>>21075239
just start learning. if you apply yourself, then reading a mahjong book after one year of studying is not unrealistic in my opinion. you'll also get to appreciate the commentators' banter during live games, and so on

>>21074423
Myself

how to go for something other than yaku-hai

>>21076550
discard the yakuhai and the one and the nine

>>21073473
I want to buy that book on top right corner. How hard is that to read?

>>21076600
The janngoroK theory book? The only thing that would make it "harder to read" than some other books is the abundance of graphs.

>>21076722
That's interesting. Meaning's 統計学のマージャン戦術 actually says that furiten sanmenchan > non-furiten kanchan (or penchan or shanpon) > furiten ryanmen. I don't remember the specific explanation given but I suppose there could be differences in how the data is calculated. For example, here JangoroK says that the furiten wait will always include tsumo so are the graphs for a 2600 or 5200 hand including tsumo or not including tsumo?

>>21076820
Not him, but I remember in Fukuchi's 教えて！科学する麻雀 book, non-furiten bad wait and furiten good wait has roughly same win percentage, so with 1 han extra value from tsumo, it's logical that furiten good wait is better.

>>21076853
Fukuchi edited 科学する麻雀, the author was Totsugeki Tohoku. Do you have the page number? I won't check now but might another day.

>>21076875
It's in Section 3, page 070. I have the 新版 version, by the way.

>>21076875

>>21076820
>so are the graphs for a 2600 or 5200 hand including tsumo or not including tsumo?
that's something I'd like to know too. 4500 in round one with furiten makes the probability 0.86 if you divide it by 5200, if you divide it by 8000 then you get 0.5625. Maybe the latter is more realistic, and that would mean that it's 5200 w i t h o u t the tsumo

>>21074423
Mari is better model than pro honestly

I wish there was a way to get monthly deal-in/agari/fuuro/riichi stats. It would be cool to see how they change over time.

>>21074423
木原浩一
I've read that he's a based NEET

>>21073473
I bought the one on the very bottom as well because of the positive amazon reviews. I hope it's as good as it seems to be.

Joukyuu scrub here, how are my stats? Any tips?

Win rate .222
Deal-in rate .137
Call rate .381
Riichi rate .224

>>21076550
Go for closed riichi wins more, there are so many ways for it to easily rack up han and pinfu is also very easy to go for

>>21079331
I go for a closed hand after I secure atleast one han, otherwise it feels impossible to build a concealed hand.
but I am watching these tenhou streams and people don't open hands all that often and go for super big scoring hands, that makes me question that, not having even one han, how people risk going for hard to obtain hands and not go for easy to obtain hands but low scoring.
sorry I am scrub

>>21079436
>I go for a closed hand after I secure atleast one han, otherwise it feels impossible to build a concealed hand.
I don't understand, putting a han together is more work than just putting together any closed hand and then calling riichi is a yaku

>>21079454
I think I should read a little more, and I was completely ignoring riichis because of one article I read, but I probably misinterpreted it.
thanks anon.

>>21078860
Compare your stats with pic related and git gud.

>>21080060

>>21080080
Fuck, forgot pic.

Mari is BASED

>>21077730
You should reconsider that assessment

AKI VS MARI RIICHI FIGHT

how much time is left in this? I don't feel like digging up my VPN if it's almost over anyways

>>21082300
it's the first game, there's two more coming up. get IN for fucks sake

>>21082300
Currently game 22 out of 24. Today is the last day.

>I don't feel like digging up my VPN

Just install the Abema app

>>21082306
the abema app worked for me the first time I tried, but ever since then it gives me sad animal (not available in your country, etc.) every time, even on VPN, even if I delete the cache, reinstall the app, etc.

based Mari swapping 1000s and 2000s with Murakami

>>21082311
>not available in your country,
You should fix your country

>Abemas

>>21082405
ooi used up his luck when he got 7 or 8 rentai streak at the end of the regular season

>>21082405
Amebas

>third vs fourth struggle is more exciting than first vs second

MADA MADA

Shiratori killing it

>7 honba

>9

>>21082681

I synched my toilet timing with the players

>game so long, gotta pee

>>21082721
That's gay

Shiratori is choking.
>the city of Abemas

>>21082742
Did he get sick of points?

let's see what he can do now

>girl holding up her copy of shiratori's book
lmao

>>21082793
>dropping at least 24000 in the south round
He pissed his fucking points.

>>21082820
yeah. if konami gyakuten them it's less dramatic this way

>>21082828
I expect Sato-pro to the rescue

>finally the ad came where the joshi ana smells the flowers
ii kaori

NO TARO STOP
THAT'S OUR GUY
DON'T RON HIM

BASED SASAKI BACK IN THE GAME

Takamiya praying

they should've used locker room shots in the previous two games too

TARO BULLY TIME

RASU HAI TSUMO

>hyper ventilating laugh

NAISU IPPATSU DESU NE

>>21082968
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uniah8hu7Mk

THE NAGARE IS FAVORING OOI! NO!!!

HISATO YOU HAVE TO SHOW THEM NOW

>Taro chasing junchan

Yea, he's fucking around

>>21083002
he's going for the 期待値

>the city of Konami

>Sato now needs yakuman

hisatoooo

Taro please take all of Ooi's points! it's the only hope

>>21083059
He's already rubbing it in their faces

STILL HOPE

TARO WHY

>>21083097
He bitched out

>haitei tsumo ends MLeague

>stream freezes right before the konami team was going to do the pose
nooooooo

>>21083119
What a fitting end.
So, will they make another season of M-League?

>>21083134
very likely

>>21083134
As long as people come to pay to watch and all the streaming makes money, it keeps going.

Ooi might be the 個人 top player? I'm curious

they were wearing those "champion" t-shirts during the last game weren't they

I hope they broadcast the award giving ceremony but I feel like they might not.

511.5 points between first and second

award ceremony in about 15 minutes

it's time

Ooi got top 個人 score

>MLeague is over

What will you do now?

>>21083366
get back to tokujou

I-I missed it.

>>21083879
>having no women around

horrible way to start the month
>https://tenhou.net/0/?log=2019040100gm-0089-0000-108e5dc9&tw=2

>>21084091
>1st game in April
>kamicha did cheap yamiten during the whole East rounds
>fell to 3rd at South 1, but climbed up to 1st at South 3 and South 4 was my dealer turn
>kamicha ron-d tilting shimocha and retook my 1st
New era, old bullshit.

>4th dan R1792
>went on to lose 3 games in a row
I just want to play in Tokujo once.

And of course shimocha got better feed.

>>21084975
Why you gotta hide your name, 4free?

I'm the lucky one for once. got second in the end

I even made a(t least one) big efficiency mistake in this round, but if I didn't do that, I would've only got a mangan (no ippatsu)

Are there vods anywhere? I dipped out at south 2 because it was like 6 am and I figured I wasn't going to miss much

which weird mahjong game should I play on MAME

>>21088118
This is soul destroying

!

>>21088118
What game is this?

>>21088118
seems like he could betaori it out, so those were some good tsumos

https://freshlive.tv/threearrows-ch/265698
>not watching the mahjong pros karaoke

http://tenhou.net/3/?log=2019040118gm-0001-0000-ec2afc37&tw=3
>last round
>I have a good feeling about this kan...
>OH SHIT IT REALLY DID HAPPEN

>>21089404
>just lost my 1st place to bullshit like this because toimen was 14k behind but kan into 8 dora
This should not be allowed.

>>21089404
toimen deserved dead for that kind of discard

This is it, friends. I'm done with the RNG bullshit. Deleted my ID and will never look back.<div class="like-perk-cnt">&#x1F603;</div>

>>21089722
>RNG bullshit
If you play like a fucking retard, then you likely lose to that shit

>>21084975
Why do you hide your rank, 4free?

First game in Reiwa era. Off to a good start, lads.

>>21089996
Reiwa starts next month. It's still Heisei.

>>21090011
I thought it started right after the announcement. Oh well.

>>21089722
See you tomorrow.

I defeated the oya baiman.

>>21090843
I'd say throw chun, anything else seems too unsafe. I'm a beginner though.

>>21091919
that's what I did, but now that I took another look, I think 9p is better because it's kamicha's genbutsu + toimen had an early 8p discard + 3 of it are visible + 7p is 3 visible as well.

toimen had a chiitoi baiman, fuck that dude. but ultimately I can see now that it wasn't just bad luck on my part

>>21092029
9p would be my discard of choice here too, then depending on other factors the 6s only because its guaranteed safe for toimen, but even then all of these tiles are quite unsafe.

I got a daisangen, but still ended up in minus overall today. I should be happy, but I'm sad. Wish I could be as genki as a Taro

>mfw 0-0-3-7 this month
At this point I just want to score a hand

>>21090843
Don't know why you called in the first place. If it was to deny ippatsu only do it if you have more safe tiles to discard after the call.
Anyway I'd just fold with chun pair seems like your best bet.

>>21094462
Oh yeah you're right about 9p it looks safer than chun pair.

>using default tenhou colors
why

>>21093455
that's my last month. now it's 4+2+2+4

>>21090011
So, what will Reiwa era mahjong look like?

>>21096461
Mahjong will only be played by AIs, not humans. Humans will gamble on which AI wins. My money's on AlphaJong.

>>21096477
Only one I followed a bit is NAGA25 so I'm with it.

>>21093455
>>21095828
How did you guys play already that many games? Mahjong game is so life draining, I can only play once or twice per day.

>>21096565
The randomness aspect makes it easy for me to let go when I'm getting stomped, so I just don't worry about it. It's easy to just play for fun. Comparatively I find games of Go or chess feel like a fucking knife fight.

>>21096565
it's my lifeblood. I play at least 3 games per day. last month I had 120+ played. on idler days I might play ten games or more. my mood depends on my performance. I won't be satisfied until I get tenhoui, and even then, I won't be satisfied.

does riichi open the hand

sincerely, a concerned netuyo

>>21096461

>>21096653
okay i figured it out it does not open the hand

thank you for reading, and have fun utsuing!

today i played my first game on tenhou, and for some reason i was not able to claim discards of a specific player, at first i thought probably i was missing one or two tiles but no, when that player discarded 8 bamboo, i was not able to chi, but amazingly right after than another player discarded 8 bamboo and i was able to call chi.
what is that.
btw i came second in my first online game i am so happy

>>21089996
5 or 9 get

>>21097842
You can only chi from the player to your left.

>>21097885
but a game i play on phone does not have that and that was my main past time, damn. i didnt know that thanks anon.
also is there something more to red tiles other than possessing them giving more score?

>>21097897
They count as an extra 1 Han but they don't count as a yaku. They're just bonus dora

>>21097897
If the red 5 dora rule is on, dropping 456 is now extra troublesome, especially vs riichi or an open hand. But also some people will hold on any fives while going 7 pairs or toitoi for longer than it's safe so if hey are in a pushy state you could hope for one to flow out of them.

so there is this magazine called Kindai Mahjong, that publishes manga involving mahjong on a monthly basis
anyone know if there is anyway to read these without physically buying them?

What version of the game are they playing here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_KLhpxts8c

Also, why are Chinese tiles so ugly?

>>21099808
I think it's hong kong rules

>>21099808
They're playing with Zung Jung rules. It's a hybrid between Chinese Official (MCR) and Hong Kong old style. The World Series of Mahjong was created to try and counteract the lack of inclusivity that the World Mahjong Organization has towards westerners. They put a bit of money in it to try and win over people towards their rule set, but no one bothered to learn it. As a result, Americans only play NMJL, Japanese only play Riichi, and Euros/Chinese play a mix of Riichi and MCR.

>>21100484
>Americans only play NMJL
Is that really true though? I've literally never heard of anyone playing it. Is it just old ladies?
Everyone else I've seen either plays Riichi or Hong Kong.

>>21101034
Yes, it is still the most popular form of mahjong in America and will most likely stay that way until the inevitable collapse of old Jewish women in their 80s whose sons must succumb to the other forms of mahjong, like Riichi (unless the weebs die out and no one even knows what a “mahjong” is anymore). Regardless, in terms of NMJL groups and tournaments, they’re still second to none. The only exception to this is if you live in a heavy Chinese area, but those are few and far between.

I got a big riichi ippatsu tsumo haneman pinfu hand, but then I noticed that I could've gotten a baiman if I paid a bit more attention (I missed sanshoku). shobon

>>21102707
furionde my 中 with an ippatsu from your riichi bo and make me a harabote

Have you scored this hand yet?

>>21105274
My first yakuman of all things.
When i tsumo i just thought "wow a chinitsu hand nice" and then bam yakuman.

Mahjong and Life

>>21097897
>but a game i play on phone does not have that and that was my main past time, damn.
That's just probably a poorly coded or beta game. You can only steal Chi/Chow from the player immediately playing before you is in all rulesets, including American.

>>21106646
I stopped reading that manga because I couldn't find the volumes after v4. it's a shame because it's really comfy

>3444
I want to destroy something. I sit down and play very calmly, but then the tsumos just won't come and it's just gaman gaman all the time. Finally I get a good hand as oya, then toimen gets suuanko and the game ends. By the last game my frustration reached its peak, and I made serious mistakes.

>>21108330
Unironically sounds like a case of classic spring avitaminosis. Invest in eating better.

>>21109115
>3444 again
guess I'll start eating vitamins instead of playing mahjong

>>21108330
>>21109744
Try playing some Chinese players

Mahjong bros...

PON-YA

pung!!

>>21113125
I thought she was saying pon nyan because she's a cat girl

I'M MAKING STUPID MISTAKES AGAIN! WHYYYY

>>21113947
Your frustration is making you lose your flow my friend

tenhou meijinsen today
◆ニコニコ生放送 https://live.nicovideo.jp/gate/lv319077546
◆FRESH! https://freshlive.tv/threearrows-ch/265690

>>21114127
stream is on, get in

>everyone is zentsu
>dozens of no-suji tiles pushed
>non-suji red 5s even
>yet my ryanmen won't come out
>I end up dealing in to someone's oikake mangan again

>kamicha gets a souzu chinitsu literally twice in a row

>toimen needs uradora to overtake me in oorasu
>ura 3

>lose if I am noten
>tsumo 7s and 3m in a row
>win
GOD EXISTS

if i open my hand and make a tenpai but my hand is not really a valid hand and game draws, will i get points at the end?
by not a valid hand i mean not satisfying condition of any yaku, but still only waiting for tile

>>21116598
Yes.

>>21116598
yes if keiten is allowed

>>21116622
>>21116635
oh thanks.
also how does folding work in riichi? even when a lot of times your discard is not responsible for someone else's ron you still lose points and even when one player self draw not all lose score. in what situations one loses score if someone else wins? I only know about if your discarded tile is the tile other player was waiting for, also sometime all lose score.

>>21116712
>even when a lot of times your discard is not responsible for someone else's ron you still lose points
What client are you playing on? Some games show your -1000 riichi bet at the end of the round if you called riichi but then someone else won, that might be what you're seeing.

Anyways folding isn't a formal game mechanic or anything, it's just the term for when you give up on winning the hand and just start discarding safe tiles hoping someone else deals into a ron or at worst you just have to eat someone's tsumo.

>>21116712
You get ronned? You pay all.
Someone self draws (aka tsumo)? Everyone pays up, but not equally: Dealer pays double. e.g. a 8000 self draw will be 2000/2000/4000.

The only exceptions are when someone scores some very specific yakuman in very specific conditions, so you might as well ignore those altogether since you'll probably never see it with your own eyes

>>21116712
Folding does not mean trying to avoid paying out points entirely. It means trying to avoid being the only one paying points for the hand. In other words, you're trying not to deal in.

Newfag retard beginner her here, kinda having trouble to determine what hands will are acutally winning hands and I'm a bit confused.
I couldn't go riichi, why is that? I have the Dora, so my hand is at least 1-han and in condition to win right?
Had I gotten a 6 or 9 bamboo wouldn't I have won? I need one more tile but can't go riichi, how come?

>>21119146
Same situation, I have the dora and need 1 more tile but couldn't riichi.
I always feel like I'm missing something and my hand isn't finished at all when I thought it'd be.

>>21119146
>>21119156
What was your point on those hand? Those hands were in tenpai but to declare riichi, normally you need at least 1000 points in hand.

>>21119463
Don't know how much exactly but I certainly had more than 1000 points.
Maybe it's something with the game.

>>21119544
Did you have less than 1000 points total available to bet?

>>21119707
No.

Do they even make bone and bamboo riichi sets anymore?
All I can find is the shitty "american" ones with numbered tiles and pictures of dragons instead of the kanji

2:0

>>21119156
>>21119146

In Yakuza I think you have to press the R2 button in order to bring up the option to Riichi

Got my second yakuman daisangen today.
>the poor fucker dealed in a dealer mangan and yakuman, lost 60k point and got -92.

now that the dust has settled I'll post my dsg too. felt good to end the game instantly

>>21106646
what mongo

>>21120208
I think you can get some here http://www.1kawaya.com/mj/index1.html

>>21121389
obaka miiko

>>21113125
UHHHH pon

>wake up
>rush to computer to play mahjong
>third row of discards, some guy is riichi or 3fuuro, another guy seems to be tenpai too
>time to betaori
>still groggy
>frantically running eye across the discard pool
>ticking_noise.mp3
>completely at a loss
>discard non-suji 6s randomly
>ron
>oya mangan
mahjong is stressful

>>21122682
oh and it happened two more times and the game ended in ten minutes

Which one is more efficient in the long run, for ranking up, tonpu/hanchan on ippan or tonpu/hanchan on joukyuu?

>dropping down to Ippan to try and score an easy rank up
Rookie mistake kiddos

>>21121608
Oh hey I wasn't expecting to actually get a response, thanks anon
I have an old bone and bamboo set but it's one of the ugly numbered american ones and one of the tiles is super stained too so it's not really usable

Did the commonly accepted way of sorting your discards change at some point?
In manga set in the 60s or earlier, you often see people sorting their discards in one long line, broken up at 12 instead of 6.
There's exceptions of course (In Akagi they discard stuff the usual 6-6-7 way, for example), but I'm wondering if this is an actual thing or if it's just coincidence.

>>21125188
Are they doing two player?

>2:0

>>21126269
Make that >3:0

>>21125924
No, it's 4 players

>>21124457
>playing as a NoName

>>21125188
I heard an no proofs oldwife story about how 6 tiled discard became a norm around 80s.

>>21123112
It's more effective to play hanchans with weaker players and tonpus with stronger ones but with Ippan you'll never know who is here, this place is a troll den. 1 dan should definitely play in Joukyuu due to how they pay up the same 4th but get more (double?) for the 1st.

bumpity

>>21125188
I have no idea, but I do remember in those Tetsuya videos that show how the cheating is done irl, they have discard piles of 7 tiles for some reason, even though the anime does 6.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH3HaA_2lfU

>tfw can't find the soundtrack anywhere

Always go for San Ankou, never go for Suu Ankou.

>>21131463
>some red is super bright
>some red isn't
>giant red splotch on the 1 sou

I will never understand this tile skin

Have you ever taught anyone Mahjong irl, /jp/? How did it go?

I regularly teach people how to play Mahjong at one of the societies I run at uni, it started as more of a "hey guys look what I brought, wanna learn?" and then it turned into something people ask me regularly if there's space on the table, how to get better, how to play in their own time etc.

It's quite nice, I've probably taught around 20 people at this rate and people seem to retain what I teach them. We usually play without points since I just want people to understand the game, then the Yaku and THEN we play with points, but once we have enough people who understand, we use points again.

I've sort of perfected how to teach people now, since the game is quite complicated I find the biggest hurdle is honestly just the learning of how the game works. Some people pick it up faster than others which is both nice and annoying.

Not your ordinary DSG.

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2019040810gm-0089-0000-8aa05279&tw=1&ts=7

>>21132210
10/10

>using tenhou
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxcDtQe_-BE

>>21132449
Majs*ul?

>>21132449
>EOP notation on the tiles
madotsuki_vomiting.tiff

>>21132691
I see unadapted terms in the FAG so I suppose it will be possible to turn that off.

...FAQ

Separate English publication of the game instead of just a translation makes me think they won't allow to reuse old accounts. As I remember correctly in the beginning there's a race who gets to the max pt first, right? Rip all that npc present grind.

>>21132929

Is it F2P?

>>21132747
>Menzenchin

>how to Hon-Itsu easily

>>21133586
It is yeah, but you can play as many games as you want for free if you don't care about unlocking cute girl avatars too much

>4th
>1st
>4th
>1st

>1111221311

>>21134427
>not San Ankou Dora 3 for yakuman

>>21136001
not indeed, lasto hai

>>21135357
Doppo is somewhere in between being an extraterrestial and having down's syndrome

So if I want to play on tenhou with three friends, can I just plug in some random 4 digit code into the url until I find one that's empty and then have us all queue?

>>21139256
Or you could use http://tenhou.net/0/?L7447, it's usually empty

do you guys play mame mahjong games.
i am having fun with taisen hot gimmick and they were my main motivation for learning riichi because i had a bunch of them with romsets. they are really fun but one time i was playing i got 3 draws and all three of them we both were in tenpai and got a game over. fuck

>>21140379
https://store.steampowered.com/app/575810/__ACTION_MAHJONG/
Not buying because npc ver seems boring but I could imagine it's a blast to play against fast thinking opponents who instantaneously know the best move - to grab and dunk their tile, to destroy your tile or to kill you; destroyed blocks reappear somewhere else and killed players re-spawn in 5 seconds.

Lmaoing at yakulets. I bet you need dora to get to baiman.

>>21140379
Recommend some to me
I'd love to get a mahjong panel for my astro city and get some real PCB ones, they can't be that expensive

Does double riichi still count if someone calls chi? The wiki just says "no tile call may have interrupted the turn order" which would imply no, but these things generally just include all calls.

>>21143155
taisen hot gimmick series is very well made with cute girls and also is on easy side in terms of difficulty, specifically taisen hot gimmick 3 is really cool.
also there is a game called mahjong shikaku which has a lot of popular old anime characters like ranma girl form who strip a little after every hand you win, if you get a big hand like a hand with 3 yaku you will get the opportunity to fully strip her.
all have riichi rule set. hot gimmick series has no red fives.
i doubt you will be able to get them to play on astro city because almost all of them operate on keyboard like controller with A - N with separate buttons for kan pon chi riichi and ron.

>>21134427
why did you get 2 fan for yaku-pai?

>>21145100
>i doubt you will be able to get them to play on astro city because almost all of them operate on keyboard like controller with A - N with separate buttons for kan pon chi riichi and ron.
That's what I just said though

>I'd love to get a mahjong panel for my astro city

>>21145126
wooah those are really cool

>>21145106
Haku and Chun

>>21144651
If someone calls chii (or pon or kan) first, you can't double riichi. If you riichi and then someone calls, you've still got the double.

the mahjong + fishing channel on abema tv work are now working for me without a vpn

>>21145126
are there mahjong games for Naomi? I have a naomi universal and could use a panel like that if there was similar software.

>>21131432
The soundtrack is surprisingly good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_6A_Pr1zUw
Best song at 5:35

>>21147396
It's all just JAMMA so yeah

>>21147653
Oh shit, thanks anon. It's a shame it doesn't have the track with the didgeridoos like it does in the Mahjong cheating video, that one's my favourite.

>>21142585
>baiman
Get on my level

>>21142585
Lmao I don't need riichi ippatsu tsumo to get baiman.

>>21150588
>>21151699
>>21142585
https://youtu.be/oUNXOkBoSyg
she beats you all

Man, I wish they lifted off the IP restriction when M-League was still ongoing.

>>21152218
>chinitsu girl

It's those twin tails

>>21152472
imagine going to a jansou and beating her so hard that when she gets home she cries herself to sleep, doubting why she even plays mahjong anymore

>>21152583
I want to take her home and show her the pleasure of my rising sun. That'll bring her mahjong spirits up.

>>21152583
Looks like she has a unibrow with that haircut.
She should shorten her bangs.

>>21153980
>Jewjong

>>21153980
>play mahjong with friends every weekend
>usually order food
>when food comes we'll watch something
>decide to watch a random seinfeld episode since no one had seen one before
>the one with the pony remark and funeral
>14 minutes into the episode and Jerry randomly mentions Mahjong
>everyone goes "waheyyy" when it's mentioned

The worst part about that scene was that right at the end Estelle wins and just goes "Mahjongg" and it's pretty disgusting to hear.

>>21152271
What is it gone now?

>>21153980
It still baffles my mind that people actually play american mahjong

>>21153980
Does American really have those messy ass discards? This disgusts me more than the joker tiles

>>21072252
>when you're not logged in but just want a casual game

>>21131639
I want to start teaching, taught some friends how to play once and used a similar method. Any tips and tricks you can suggest, since it sounds like you have a lot of experience?

>>21156460
>>21131639
>playing with a newish friend
>he pons big three dragons but is ultimately sitting at a winning 14 tile hand outside his turn so we have no clue exactly when it happened or who was responsible
>ended up just giving him an "honorary yakuman" and dead handing him as far as score goes

Teaching new players is suffering

>>21156936
When a friend of mine was new to the game he ended up one one too many tiles in his hand somehow.
So he dealt one of the extra ones and said "ron" and opened his hand. I still laugh thinking about this. Only time I've ever seen someone ron themselves.

Another question I couldn't find an answer for on the wiki.

Can you sit on 4 of the same tile in your hand and then choose to call an ankan on a future turn, or can you only do it upon drawing the fourth?
I ask because if you can, how does keeping track of your drawn tile work? I know the game is big on making it clear if you kept or discarded your drawn tile, but if you take an ankan with tiles that were already in your hand then you'll have two new drawn tiles that turn, one from the live wall and one from the dead. Do you just show you're keeping your first drawn tile as you reveal the kan and then the dead wall draw becomes your new drawn tile?

>>21156460
most important thing: make it fun.

even if you have the best teaching methods when it comes to basic rules, no one wants to learn an obtuse nofun activity

>>21156975
If you have for tiles in the hand, you can sit on them all the way till ryuukyoku.

>>21156975
You can declare ankan anytime in your turn. You can even not to declare any ankan, for example, in 333345. When you declare ankan, then yes, you'll draw two tiles, one from your turn then another one from dead wall draw.
The 13+1 applies with no tile drawn from dead wall in your hand. If you call any form of kan, the tile amount will increase, up to maximum 17+1 in case or suukantsu.

>>21156975
>Can you sit on 4 of the same tile in your hand and then choose to call an ankan on a future turn
Yes

>>21157009
>When you declare ankan, then yes, you'll draw two tiles, one from your turn then another one from dead wall draw.
Do you need to make it clear which two are your drawn ones? Or just the second one from the dead wall since people saw you reveal four tiles that aren't your draw which means you're keeping the first draw?

I'm probably overthinking this, I just want to know all the specifics and etiquette of physical tile stuff since I'm planning to play in some locals soon. I do play irl, just casually with a few friends who are just as new as I am

>>21152583
Do people actually get this angry over jong?

>>21157073
Draw tile from wall normally in your turn, then if you declare ankan, open your ankan tiles, move to side and indicate them that it's ankan call (usually by flipping one or two tiles upside down), then draw additional tile from dead wall. The sequence is from the top end of dead wall, then tile below it if it's second kan call, and then the last two. So yes, normal draw, call ankan, then dead wall draw.
It's also often customary to move that top end of dead wall aside from the start of the round. You can see this a lot in JP mahjong tournaments.

>>21157100
People get angry over parking spots, and lots of less serious stuff. If you spent all your life playing mahjong and then some randoms just kept smashing you for hours on end, then you could easily get mad. It depends on your personality.

>>21157114
I guess what I'm really asking is am I safe to put my drawn tile into my hand once I declare the ankan, or am I expected to keep it on the side until my turn ends? I'd probably keep it on the side anyways just to be safe but I've been wondering if it's something that matters or not.

>>21157124
Even good players can get smashed, but if you get angry over getting smashed it just means you don't know shit about jong.

>>21157126
Yes. Think that draw as compensatory draw because you used 4 tiles on that ankan.

>https://note.mu/meaningless777/n/ne3a32060706b
>現在、麻雀数理研究会が行っているメイン活動は『科学する麻雀２（仮）』の出版に向けた活動である。
>出版予定は今年中となっているが、具体化したら麻雀数理研究会のＮＯＴＥ及び私のＮＯＴＥで告知する予定である。
get hyped
>>21157129
yeah, mahjong is an irrational game, but the players can be irrational too. when you get a losing streak, you can blame it on yourself, you can blame it on the wall, whatever, losing can still feel shitty. (of course, they usually only start crying if it's a tournament or something. no one's gonna get mad at the real life equivalent of 7447 games)

>>21157162
>tournament
not enough
You only have the right to get upset if you're betting 400 million yens or blood

>>21157167
https://twitter.com/you_anfield/status/1115643861018107909
doesn't matter, they'll still cry, and it'll be recorded for our eyes to enjoy

>>21157140
Yes to which?

>>21156460
Firstly, try and get them interested. People will only really want to learn if they think it'll be fun. I showed them Koizumi and they loved it and it was a good intro point to get them interested.

The way I usually do it, is to put all the tiles in a row each in their suits (1-9, RWG, NESW) and then tell them what they are. Then I make an example hand and tell them that this is what they should be aiming for, a hand comprises of 4 sequences and a pair I also casually explain it can be 7 pairs as well, but I'd rather they get down the actual hand structure down. I then explain how the game works, you draw tiles, you think about what brings you hand closer to being completed and what doesn't, then you discard.

After that I explain the 6 calls of the game. Ron, Tsumo, Chi, Pon, Kan and Riichi. (I also give everyone a 1000 point stick, since we don't learn points and Yaku until later). I usually make a small phrase to go with each call ("You Chi for 1, 2, 3", "You PON when you have a PAIR") I then explain the Dora and then go on to starting the game. Show them how to construct the wall, dice rolls (I'm the dealer), how to draw tiles. Try your best to not confuse them by going to fast, and make sure you ask questions. "How many tiles should you have?", "What's this tile called? (pointing to the dora)"

I have two pieces of paper that I made to show Yaku (for experienced players) and the other to show the rules of the game simplified into a double sided sheet, it has all the tiles on it as well since learning the man tiles is hard, I usually give them the latter.

Usually a person stands behind them to get them to understand how to think and what to do and stuff. It usually takes a game or two for them to understand, then you introduce Yaku/Points and stuff.

>>21158011
Those sheets sound handy, could you share them?

What's your opinion on Tama?
She's streaming mahjong right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDtbft-C_VI

>>21158417
https://www.mediafire.com/file/x5waxe1614fifjk/Mahjong_Tips.7z/file

It's not perfect, and doesn't talk about things like Furiten, Noten and such, but it's meant to be a basic guide that you just give to someone to read over and then you'd explain the rest once they understand. The Yaku list is a bit more complex, but both are useful.

>>21158636
I don't find her entertaining at all + she only play tonpuus. I prefer 木原's yt streams, because he's actually good and he gives good advice, while Tama talks about absolutely basic shit like "ryanmen is better than kanchan".

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXECPzf89p9kMTpZBvBcH1A
this is his channel.

>deal nothing but safe tiles when someone calls riichi or has 3 open calls
>keep in mind all the safe tiles, suji, dora and the dora indicators etc.
>not once, but twice deal into mangan hands with shitty kanchan waits
>deal into a fucking honitsu chiitoitsu mangan on my dealer turn
I hate ippan so much.

>>21158636
I hate all this vtuber shit. They are all burikko without any personality at all.

https://youtu.be/D7gj44phGus
we should save it fast as they might take it down (I'd do it but I'm eating rn). on other platforms their vods are paid

>>21119146
Dora are bonus points, they alone aren't enough for the 1han-requirement.

>>21159904
That's Marchao's official channel.

>>21161074
Yes, and all their vods on nico and freshlive are for members only. This one might stay up on youtube for free as some kind of ad, but otherwise they're all about that cash.

>>21159904
What implementation of tenhou has a 3D perspective like this?

>>21119146
>>21161000
you might want to distinguish Han and yaku here.

yaku is a winning condition, while han is the value. each yaku has a set Han value that may or may not change based on wether or not your hand is open. a Dora is just an additional value point tossed on top of any existing yaku's total value. A Dora tile is not a yaku.

so if you have a tanyao (all simple) hand you have 1yaku worth 1 han but a red tile or Dora will increase that value to two.

a chinitsu (full flush) is worth five han if open, six if closed. while only one yaku, it carries a high value.

piling several different yaku into your hand with Dora on top will inflate your value and give you a step up in a game

>>21161330
You're right. Their main channel is on nico.
>>21161342
The client version. It looks good, but honestly there's nothing much different compared to HTML5 version.

>last round
>A-san playing strangely and didn't toss any wan tiles
>don't want to help him with making possible chinitsu so had to hold on to them, slowing me down
>he drops some of them later on
>purposefully end with furiten myself cause I have no idea what A-san is doing anymore and just wanted the round to pass while I'm in the lead
>mfw

>>21159416
Tbh the same thing will happen to you in higher level play, it's just that they'll be doing it on purpose to trap you

What the fuck is this shit?

>>21163362
>using reddit

>>21162387
>>21162229
I assume there's no translation patch for this like there is for the web one?
It looks nice

>>21163441
There's no translation for it, but the only thing it has over the HTML version is 3D tiles, a slightly nicer version of the flash UI, and the ability to change the individual sounds and music for the game. Gameplay-wise, it's identical.

Is it worth calling riichi to go from second to first on S4?

>>21167276
>is it worth it to win?
yeah

>>21157287
I don't think he understands what you're asking.

There's no actual rule to mark or declare which tile you've drawn that turn except when you're in Riichi, and in this case, you can only call ankan if the drawn tile is the 4th and won't change your wait. Otherwise, there is no need for you to painstakingly make obvious which tile you've drawn that turn. You can even put the tile into your hand, move it around, then discard it.

>>21168427
I've always been told you shouldn't put your tile in your hand until you discard, it's a big part of the strategy and all the games clearly mark if you kept your drawn tile or not.

>>21168504
That's just politeness. Or, that could even be an official league's rule to keep politeness in check. But there's no actual rule for that in just the plain rules of Mahjong. You just follow the tiles with your eyes. Video games mark the tiles for you because it's harder to track where a tile goes when a computer is zipping it across the screen lightning fast.

>>21168719

>>21168719 again, just to also add onto this, one example I thought of just now is that in the base rules of Mahjong, there aren't any actual rules on when you can/can't call a tile other than you have to be able to complete it, and you can't call on it once the next person has "drawn". But I believe some official leagues clarify this much more deeper, stating that each person should pause for a specific amount of time, then once the next tile reaches their hand, the window closes, etc. All rules for politeness and to keep a game civil, but all of this is added in after the fact.

>>21167276
That depends on a lot of things. What's the risk of dropping to third or last? If you're playing on Tenhou, which lobby are you in? If you're playing in a tournament, what's the uma and what are the current standings? Rather than setting a rule in a vacuum saying that you should or shouldn't, you need to consider what would constitute a successful game for you.

>>21168427
If you've got a winning hand, you definitely should not mix your winning tile into your hand because the shape of your wait determines how much fu your hand is worth and whether or not you qualify for pinfu. Under normal circumstances, if you haven't won yet, then the main reason to not insert your draw into your hand is because of speed. It slows the game down if you draw -> insert -> discard rather than draw -> discard -> insert.

>>21168839
>If you've got a winning hand, you definitely should not mix your winning tile into your hand because the shape of your wait determines how much fu your hand is worth and whether or not you qualify for pinfu.
This I agree with.

>Under normal circumstances, if you haven't won yet, then the main reason to not insert your draw into your hand is because of speed. It slows the game down if you draw -> insert -> discard rather than draw -> discard -> insert.
This I somewhat agree with, but if you're at a table playing with skilled players, having this as an option should be considered, though not to the point where it slows down gameplay like you said.