/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Please don't turn this into another e-celeb thread.

thank god i was scared djt was gone forever what up pretty peoples

>>21054001
I don't think Matt's sentiments are that different. From what I can remember he's in favor of listening when you can as much as you can, but again it's just that passive immersion by itself is ダメ. I could be wrong about Khatz's sentiments, but I don't think he would cosign just passive immersion 24/7 either. We gotta be specific here.

I've gone through 300 words on anki so far. What should I read after Hanahira and Yotsubato?
Should I wait another month or so till I'm ready to read manga without furigana?

you guys are so pityfool. with all these shit talking, no real achievements... spending the day arguing about people who are making money and or dont give a shit about you guys... sad to see.

>>21054507
hanahira is shit
choose ur own destiny
do not wait
you wont be ready until youve already done it

if it wasnt clear u should prob still read a few volumes of yotubato first though

>>21054151
Yes, when I need to look something up I alt+tab and check kotobank or something.

my fetish is really sweet middle aged men, any VNs out there for me?

>>21054659
maison de M is okay just don't pick 林 nothing good will ever come of chasing after a ノンケ no matter how cute he is

>>21054507
You’re better off jumping into your favorite anime with JP subs. Basically just treat it like reading and use the subs to quickly look up words you don’t know. Reading manga as a beginner is fucking aids.

i still cant believe hes really dead

theres such a high chance of
>i was just running away from japanese this time im gonna learn japanese for real

>>21054741
if this does happen somebody itt has to go save him and make sure he doesn't ajatt and ruin his own life again

domo konitiwa matto desu

MIA and AJATT are the only methods that work
DJT's slightly-better-than/r/learnjapanese method is guaranteed to make you fail 100%

mina genki ?

乾杯！
完敗！

姪 isn't a joyo kanji

@21054953
You're a beginner.

>>21055077
A beginner who's going to use the only Japanese learning method that ACTUALLY WORKS

what even is djts method
arguing about rtk and matt all day

>>21055071

I don't see how "memorize some shit and read visual novels" won't work. Take your meds bud.

>>21055094
chiba taro bringing it back for nihon

>>21055083
learn japanese before you brag about it

>>21054953
I have just started looking into AJATT. What is a simple solution to having loads of Japanese music and media on hand?

Have you all practiced your production tonight? Here's the sentence I spent the last 4 hours preparing (3 hours and 59 minutes meditating and 1 minute of writing).

あたしのアソコは超かゆいわ

21055181 The internet

>>21055181
download anime from nyaa.si
extract the audio to an mp3 player
now you have anime at your pc and audio for everywhere

I just heard Matt say this
https://youtu.be/XkOGUyKv_iE?t=2501
Sorry to everyone here
Focusing and developing a perfect native-like accent doesn't matter
If it stops you from wanting to even study Japanese in the first
Matt confirmed this too

>>21055181
jpopsuki for music
avistaz for dramas
aidoru online for idol shows
dunno about anime since i dont watch that

If Matt says it, then it must be true. FUCK man, I spent the first 3 months of learning Japanese focusing on pitch. Guess I'll switch over to RTK now.

>>21055210
Brush up on your Matt lore.
https://massimmersionapproach.com/table-of-contents/stage-0/perfectionist-path-overview/
Matt says to focus on Pitch Accent (in addition to OTHER things) in Stage 2 (ie after 6 months/1 year, depending on how long you set for each stage).
RTK happens in Stage 3 (ie after 1 year/2 years).

>>21055186
>>21055201
すみません

>>21055210
>Switching to RTK
You fucking idiot you're forgetting the meditation stage.

>>21055255
Do I look like some kind of fucking amateur at learning Japanese, kiddo? I've been at this for years already. I meditated about Japanese for 20 straight hours one time. I'm already at the point where I can already visualize myself reading Yotsuba. So think fucking twice before you talk to me like that again.

>>21055198
>Matt doesn't even know that perfect accents impossible for most people after puberty
Leave it to the savant to mistake him being in the lucky percent with thinking his method is good enough to defeat brain development.

>>21054953
>Methods where you read and listen a lot are the only ones that work.
Obviously. Nobody has ever gained fluency without doing those two things.

>>21055259
Visualize myself unzipping my fucking dick, LOSER.

>>21055260
>implying his accent is even good

>>21055259
i know you're shitting around but just fyi, you can't "meditate about" something lol meditation is objectively observing thoughts, not making more of them

You've just fucking ruined 3 months of hard work at immersion. I hope you're fucking happy.

これちょっと興味ある…

>>21055278
Not him but there are different types of meditation.

Arnold Schwarzenegger lost his accent and uses a trainer to keep up the appearance

I always like to believe that his is all shitposting but lately I'm no longer convinced.

We're studying shitposting more than anything else, that's why we've gotten so good at it but are still so shit at Japanese.

(>)>21055184
このスレに通う人は日本語で一言も言えないと思うよ。日本語を勉強することに興味なさそうだし、勉強について質問はほとんどない。怠け者の集まりとでも言うべきだろう。

>>21055301
speak for yourself I've done 10 fucking hours today of japanese and 20 mins posting

>>21055284
yeah, since meditation is only a topic on these boards because of matt, i assume when people bring it up they're referencing the kind he does; which is actually about practicing awareness, strengthening attention and allowing the mind to quiet, not thinking up scenarios.

>>21055302
いやちゃんと勉強してる人がいるんですよ。ただmattほにゃらecelebsってことばっか話したい人が圧倒的にうるさいだけだ。

>gaijin trying to write japanese
cringy

get your output outta my input

ちゃんと聞いてほしい。貴様はゴミ人間なものだから日本語を学ぶは無理だぞ。

Most anons are objecting to the idea of only doing active listening + background listening + audio-only i+1 flashcards for the first 1 or 2 years
Because "b-b-but I won't understand anything" and "it's SOOOOO hard"
Luckily Matt has just the right perfect solution to this problem
I just heard Matt say this
https://youtu.be/XkOGUyKv_iE?t=3115
So while you're doing listening-only active immersion for the first year
You're watching a TV show
Focusing on what's going on and what the characters are saying
(without subs of any kind)
What you're going to do is turn it into a game
Of spotting as many words that you can understand naturally (without seeing the written version)
Then spotting as many phrases then full sentences that you can understand naturally
After a year of this you'll have developed a solid native-like foundation in listening to Japanese
Your active study in Anki will be audio-only flashcards, audio in the front/word on the back, so only the Core 2k sentence will play, you'll hear it, try to understand it, and when you do, reveal the answer, which will only be the i+1 target word

>>21055388
And you have to do 1 hour max in Anki and AT LEAST 3 hours watching TV shows without subs and trying to understand as much as you can naturally from the sound and visual context alone, and NOT skip a single day.

>>21055388
>>21055391
And the premade deck (Core or Tango, the latter being recommended by Matt now over Tae Kim) is only to gain a foundation
TV shows with an external sub file are best, but you're not going to watch with subs.
The reason for choosing shows with subs is
When you hear a sentence and understand it naturally except for 1 word, that's when you use subs2srs to make cards out of the episode, and you use the timestamp to get that i+1 sentence out. Then you put it into Anki and make a card for it to study the next day

>>21055388
sounds retarded

Another fantasy garbage method for the retards who cant even think for themselves for half a minute by the garbage salesman.

>>21055388
Any scientific backing for any of this? Any practical backing? As far as I gather this isn't even what Matt did, how would he know it's better?

>>21055388
>b-b-but I won't understand anything
Then it's not i+1, jesus.

>>21055412
ふざけるな

when did the official method become no reading for 1 year

>>21055426
It's always been like that, the vocal minority has always been too afraid to start reading before they finish core 20k.

>>21055426
When some people were crying about reading being too scary I guess. Gotta accommodate all the paying retards no matter what.

>>21055413
Only the Anki sentences have to be i+1, the media you watch doesn't have. Matt has already addressed your point here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeOmc1nRGG4

I don't know why the fuck y'all make such a big deal about what motha fucking content you practice with, I literally just fucking search up 爆乳 on youtube and now I've got rec's full of big titty Japanese bitches to listen to, it's not that hard

>>21055442
>Only the Anki sentences have to be i+1, the media you watch doesn't have
>Matt has already addressed your point here
Well he's wrong, I've already suffered through that video and it's actually retarded, and I use that word sparingly. He's going against almost 60 years of research because he has an uneducated hunch.

>>21055443
thanks for that vocab gain

>>21055407
Yeah, Matt's such a genius salesman that:
1. you don't need to send him a single cent to make use of his best advice
2. he spends most of his time developing AJATT 2.0 when he's not studying for college (so he can go to Japan with his degree, so he can develop even better content for us)
3. only asks for $5 so you can see the preview videos, and the full versions covering the essential theory get released to the public for free eventually
4. only $10 to discuss the method in his Discord - and only $1 if you want to see the latest of his innovations
5. his consulting fee isn't even that high considering how valuable his time is and how every hour working on fine-tuning MIA is ($100 for a 90 minute consult, you shouldn't even be considering this option until you're fluent and have invested good money in acquiring premium media - btw, from which not a single cent goes to Matt personally)

>>21055450
Yeah, 60 years of research backing Genki, Tobira, and other /r/learnjapanese favorites. Go ahead and use that then.

>>21055457
So what's he paying you for shilling his shit on internet forums then? That's right, nothing cause it's a fucking cult. You're the Japanese learning equivalent of Jehovas witnesses.

I think Matt is just a huge troll trying to burn out noobs with his one year listening only and 5 hours minimum study every day recommendations

>>21055459
I see you're trying to put words in my mouth. 60 years of research backing comprehensible input and i+1. 60 years of research saying that you learn when you understand what is said. 60 years of research saying that immersion does not work if you don't understand what you're hearing.

Every day I check /r/learnjapanese for a few minutes just to see how much of a desolate wasteland it really is.

Gives me the chills still. It's like visiting a dekinai themed holocaust memorial but it's actually still going.

>>21055388
why do you keep blogposting on your journey through matts videos
do you think we havent already watched them all
thats just you buddy

i prioritize mining common words with kanji or readings i don't yet know is that bad

>>21055388
dude i fell out of love with matt when he changed his mind on RTK. you'll have your rude awakening when he changes his mind on something else.

>>21055564
Stopping to shill doing RTK first thing up front was probably the single most logical change he ever made to his shitty study plan.

>>21055579
agreed but it made me realize his word can't be trusted to the point that you should follow his exact recommendations.

>>21055582
>>21055564
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. — 'Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.' — Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.

Basically you should be less trusting of people who don't change their minds, because that means they are rigid in thought and set in their ways even if they are wrong.

>>21055592
you are misunderstanding. it's commendable that he changed his mind. but if he got something so time-consuming as RTK so terribly wrong it also means you shouldn't rely on everything he says unless he presents very compelling reasons or gives compelling evidence.

>>21055592
i agree with you but he doesnt really change his mind he just makes concessions to appeal to a broader audience while continuing to believe what he said originally

>>21055597
>it also means you shouldn't rely on everything he says unless he presents very compelling reasons or gives compelling evidence.
You mean, like you should already do for literally everyone?

>>21055602
well no. some authorities can be more trusted than others. you shouldn't do something as drastic as only listening for an entire year because matt doesn't give compelling evidence or reasoning. you can't trust his word based on his authority as a proficient speaker alone. i'll sooner trust einstein than matt.

New insight learned from Matt
https://youtu.be/HXzrkX3apOk?t=7800
So it turns out ます, ながら, and all the particles are actually words in themselves, and are all defined in the J-J dictionary.
Japanese grammar looks much easier now. I was leaning towards Chinese because the latter's grammar is ridiculously easy, since all grammar are just 1- and 2-kanji words. In Japanese they're just slightly more difficult and longer.

>>21055602
u gotta understand most kids these days esp in the japanese learning community really dont want to be responsible for any of their decisions of beliefs
see for example >>21055605

>>21055613
dolly coulda taught u that

>>21055613
cure dolly

>>21055614
it's not even about wanting to. it's just how it is. this is why matt has to be stopped.

>>21055605
>well no. some authorities can be more trusted than others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
Mate come on, you gotta think a little

>>21055621
authority is a heuristic. who is more likely to know what's true or false when it comes to physics, einstein or jamal? that doesn't mean citing or appealing to an authority makes your argument true. it just increases the chances, but there are caveats to that. for example some fields more frequently publish research that is harder to replicate than others, which weakens their authority.

>>21055632
ur heuristic was broken from the start if it ever increased matts credibility lol

>>21055635
i changed my heuristic after realizing how wrong i was

why do people in this thread worship mattvsjapan? hes a neckbeard and dedicated the last 8 years of his life to japanese with no intention of going there, if im going to learn japanese, its gonna be 3 or less years, not a decade

>>21055632
Einstein being more familiar with physics in no way means you should ever accept anything he says without "compelling reasons or compelling evidence". Einstein published papers about his thoughts to back them up. That's why he's an "authority", not because he's just a genius that everyone unquestionably agrees with. People don't cite Einstein directly, they cite his papers.

>>21055641
>without "compelling reasons or compelling evidence"
should the average person believe that the earth is round despite not knowing how or being unwilling to test it themselves?
>That's why he's an "authority"
he's an authority because other experts cite his papers. then laymen cite him.

>>21055619
A NEET who gets a 500 check mooched off from taxpayers every month is going to stop Matt who earns 2500 a month by helping lots of people learn Japanese to native level, sure.

>>21055640
>if im going to learn japanese, its gonna be 3 or less years, not a decade
Nice try, Nick. Also what's so bad about devoting the rest of your life to mastering Japanese culture? Western and Southeast Asian culture sucks ass I'd rather weeb it up for decades

>>21055302
minna wa dokoka ni hajimeta hou ga ii

which nick the nick that knows more japanese than matt lol

>>21055668
He doesn't anymore. He ragequit Japanese in July 2018. It's March 2019 now and it's deteriorated to being on life support, and Nick hasn't shown any signs of getting back in the groove like Matt did (after the 3 hour video).

matt would style all over nick.

>>21055671
hed prob still beat matt in a rap battle for at least another year
and that aint cuz matts gettin better thats cuz nick has トラウマ
also u cant blame him he got owned pretty hard in japan
which was his fault but the aftereffects of that u gotta cut him some slack for

>>21055681
Nick could have gone home, regrouped, and moved to Tokyo or another prefecture to another round of study abroad. He was studying at some mid level city in the middle of nowhere, of course the professor stuck there would defend some chinkette who was giving him the sucky

Does this shit even work?
Anyone had success with it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOY9a66U2a8

おはようおにいちゃん

さくらが

さきそうでさかない

ことしのはなみはどこにいきますか

>>21055713
ねぶそくになるとおもうよ

>>21055681
>>21055707
This guy was the worst incarnation of incel loser I've ever seen. Acting like he was entitled to anything by that girl and then instead of just quietly breaking things off trying to shit all over her like the sissy drama queen he is.

He got everything he deserves for it and if he spends the rest of his days never speaking a word of Japanese again all the better.

>>21055707
kid took it to heart that he was in the right and felt absolutely betrayed to learn that society doesnt work that way
unfortunately his way of coping was to blame japan and pretend it couldnt happen anywhere else
maybe its for the better that way at least he didnt drop out of japanese high school and call his dad to fly back home and then continue grinding japanese for years until finally deciding to quit for good and meditate only to realize he didnt have any hobbies or future and picked it back up for the patreon gig
i dont think he got the sucky i mean he wasnt gonna pay for it

貧乳 > 爆乳

>>21055737
正しい

>>21055737
ぺったんこをすき

>>21055713
>japanesepod101
Matt has something to tell you about that
https://youtu.be/YZjcNVUBYwQ?t=395

>>21055746
Hey Matt can you stop shilling your videos please?
It's getting really annoying.

if ur gonna spam matt links plz figure out that timestamps dont work on embeds with youtu.be links

seriously why is the はparticle read as wa.
couldn't they just update it to わ or make another kanji.

>>21054507
Flyable Heart

firefox just updated and borked my userchrome.css and my default settings for the browser and the extensions. i am PISSED. what the fuck happened? did my profile get corrupted because of the bluescreen that happened before the update?

>>21055713
I only did a little reading on this but apparently your brain can get use to the sounds of the language but that's it, you're not going to learn anything beyond that. And to that end, you could just listen to some subbed anime for a few days.

>>21055635
to be fair matt is the einstein of the japanese learning community. we trust physicists because they got us to the moon. we trust matt because he revolutionized learning by popularizing the input hypothesis. moreover there's people like nick, khatz, patrick, etc. who have gotten good using it. so you'd be a fool not to trust him.

This ironic mattposting has to stop.

>>21055882
i'm not being ironic. i add some flair to my posts but i'm right.

idk i cant really blame them 4 doin it but like weve pretty thoroughly owned matt at this point can we let him have his training arc out of sight leading up to when he makes his next rehearsed speaking eloquent perfect sounding japanese and then own him some more then ? lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dql2DJCyz0I

fuck is this lmao

>〆ました

its a lil slipper dude

>>21055890
rarepotato posted about this once, said it was actually fairly common in VNs

Matt is 24 and his bestie is 30. Wonder how these two met each other.

>>21055753
I just tested it on Firefox 66 w/ Tampermonkey + Linkify Plus Plus + YouTube Link Title + ccd0 4chan x and it worked, you dumbass hater

what is your retention rate on the next day for words you just added into anki?

>>21055727
That was Nick's first love, cut him some slack
>>21055730
Matt is at a legit high level though and he's gotten many others to where he is, he deserves every dollar of his Patreon cashflow, name someone else who devoted his life to getting good at Japanese for close to 10 years like Matt has (to the point of being more autistic over pitch accent than even Dogen, and obsessed with reading the atmosphere even though he's a man)

>>21055910
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVzK79undb0

>>21055930
Wow I just cried
I'll listen to the next Matt video on my list now and come back later with some insights later (if I get any)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6hdIzYOxQI

>>21055930
>>21055928

>>21055885
You are right, M*tt did talk about those things. If you're implying M*tt is right, though, you're wrong.

>>21055895
i think last time i saw it was in an ero scene

>>21055933
do what u gotta do

i checked the script here u all go
「それに……○○だってこれ、初めてのセックスなんだもん、　ふっ、ぁぁん……中出し〆でお願いしたいよー……。　んっ、くぅ……その方が……大人っぽいからねー……」

imagine getting a boner to that lol

毎日毎日同じバカ騒ぎを繰り返すのは楽しいか？
意味あるのか？くだらん。
我々これで本当にいいのか？良くないだろう。しっかりしろ、貴様ら。

>>21056007
if u wanna write a post with a stern tone do not start it with 毎日毎日 imo

我々はこのスレを占拠した。投降せよ、愚かなshitposterどもめ。

>>21056031
at least this one sounds kind of like bad guy of the week from power rangers lol

>>21056004
two lines later u get おちんぽ……逃がさないよー
have another on the house

>>21056050
lol rename djt おしっこの通り道

>>21054953
> MIA and AJATT are the only methods that work

[Citation needed]

Anyone have a PDF/epub of:

魔女の宅急便
霧の向こうの不思議な町

itazuraneko website down?

>>21056217
The owner realized how bad it is.

>>21056217
Taken offline to comply with new EU directives.

>>21055928
>even though he's a man
I don't get why that's relevant. It's a Japanese thing, not a female Japanese thing.

>>21056254
western men wouldn't concern themselves with such faggy things

>>21056260
a lot of western men are fags

>>21056293
A lot of Japanese men are fags as well.

i only mine words with a frequency rank below 10k

>>21056415
I don't care.

>>21056421
others care like jamal

>doesn't want to read manga
>tries to read LN's
>a ton of unknown words
>cries
Please help me

what is the japanese word for "scans"? want to look for some magazines around the web

>>21056424
Same here. Here's what I've been doing: Reading LNs anyway with a hover dictionary and hating every second of it.

Found this great interview where Matt walks you through his life in a more polished way (the 3 hour video is more candid and deep)
https://www.altinsider.com/podcast163/

>>21056430
>>21056424
I use a hover dictionary while reading LN and while its exhausting it gets the job done. I'm also picking up things much faster like this.

>>21056430
Just wait until the one you want to read is only available in PNG form.

>>21056429
スキャン. But also try name in japanese + zip or rar. manga-zip.net has a lot of magazines but shitty hosters so you'll have to wait a lot to get your shit (paste everything into jdownloader and if you have a vpn, use it and switch the location every time you hit the limit)

>>21056434
>>21056430
Really? I feel like I'm not learning anything that way, even though I re-read the sentence afterwards to make sure that I actually understood the word and stuff

>>21056433
thanks for the link dude. mattbros unite!

>>21056435
There's a limit upon where I won't bother any more for the time being, because it's too much of a pain in the ass.

In this case it's better to just read something available until you've improved enough to tackle the other thing.

>>21056437
What a helpful answer. Thank you, anon!

>>21056446
No problem :D Have fun. I got manga that way until I found DJT.

>>21056442
well i went back and reread the first few pages of my first LN and could understand a lot more than i did a few months ago. so it works but it's hard to notice day-to-day.

and i brush up a lot on grammar. and add a few words to anki every day.

>>21056435
... KanjiTomo? It's not perfect but faster than looking up manually

>>21056442
I feel the hover-dictionary LN reading has improved my Japanese faster than anything else up to this point because it enables me to actually read things I'm interested in at a speed that doesn't make me want to kill myself (read manual looking shit up or looking up kanji individually by drawing / radical)

I now see why Matt and Nuke are friends
8efzul
83pjj9

>>21056445
No problem, glad you're benefiting from a dose of Matt's know-how

>>21056456
Do you do anything else with the words you find? Do you anki them or write them down or something?

>>21056475
Absolutely nothing. I'm focused on comprehending what I read and thinking about whether to add each word or even worse, stopping to write them down is just distracting.

>>21056423
i only care about the shit worth carin about which is now certainly a rarity here

these threads have gone off the deep end and they might finally be over for good soon

>>21056497
what can i do to improve? what should i post about?

>>21056497
That doesn't seem very likely at all.

since this is the subject now, when will trying to read light novel stop making me want to kill myself? its too many words...

>>21056512
prolly when ur 20 years deep

>>21056512
3 months to stop wanting to die. 12 months to start actively enjoying.

>>21056512
Only one way to find out.

>>21056517
no no, im asking seriously. if tthats your case, how long did it take to read stuff at a decent speed without having to look most of the words in a sentence?

>>21056523
so its gonna take a while, huh?
did you reach this point yet?

>>21056531
Of not wanting to die yes but I haven't reached the actively enjoying part. I can feel it coming within the next few months.

Mattposting day in, day out, every single hour of every single thread. You're never going to learn Japanese this way, you fucks, even if you DO have some kind of unnatural obsession with a random JSL with a shitty accent. Get the fuck out of here and consume Japanese. I know you're not because you're here literally all the fucking time. You are responsible for every single mistake resulting from your misapplication of your personal agency, and that includes all the time you waste away here not getting better at Japanese. No, listening to anime or dramas in the background is not getting better at Japanese. No, finishing your Anki reps for the day and shitposting on DJT for the next eight hours is not getting better at Japanese. The only way you're actually going to get any better at Japanese is by reading and listening to Japanese. The more the better. Any time you spend arguing about pointless crap here on DJT is time you spend either not learning Japanese or not getting your shambled life together so you can do something with Japanese once you know it. Get the fuck over your obsession with forcing people who don't know you and know nothing about you to hear your nonsensical dribble. Or are you THAT desperate for confirmation that you found the right golden lamb, but not desperate enough to give him 10 bucks a month so you can actually talk in his discord instead of just seeing the chatlogs go by? Jesus christ, get the fuck over it already. It doesn't matter. Nothing about DJT or Matt matters. None of the arguments you're having here matter. Nothing that you say about Japanese when you can't even describe the flavor of your own breakfast matters. None of the validation you get from other people who bought into the same bullshit matters. Get the fuck out of here and learn Japanese.

Once you finish the monolingual transition, it won't take any more time to make a monolingual card than a bilingual one. Often times it's even faster. If you learn a word bilingually, you are creating a false association you will have to break later, which wastes time. The monolingual def gives you a much better idea of what a word means, so it shorts the length of time it takes to acquire. The act of comprehending the language in the language is also a great exercise the expedites the speed at which your brain adjusts to the language.

>>21056534
gotcha! hope you manage to read it and actually enjoy. im a bit far from that yet, but lets see how it goes

>>21056527
prolly a few years i cant really nail it down to anything exact cuz i didnt sit there every day beating my head against the wall on text i cant read or understand and mostly bounced around looking for only comprehensible input unconsciously cuz u know ppl naturally like to understand things

then as time went on more things became more comprehensible but i still certainly have my niches and if i stray too far from them i will run into more words that are unfamiliar though not all of them have to be looked up though its prolly a good idea to anyway lest u start reading 広義 as kohhgoh or just never learn how to pronounce some words cuz u already know what i means who cares just lazy ass shit like that

>>21056553
would you mind sharing what were the easiest things you started reading? or was it completely random stuff?

>>21056539
That's why Matt advises that the only bilingual thing in your card should be the one single i+1 word, to minimize the mental damage of English translations

>>21056553
>広義
stfu this isn't and has never been funny

>>21056583
direct yourself to >>21056537

>>21056587
why did you reply to him and not jamal?

>>21056591
jamal isn't a mattposter, and already knows japanese

>>21056593
>jamal isn't a mattposter
are you serious? that's exactly what that meme is about you disingenuous prick.

>>21056596
>are you serious? that's exactly what that meme is about
yeah and?
>you disingenuous prick.
why are you so mad

>>21056601
the double standard. you don't actually care about shitposting or mattposting and you demonstrate that by calling out someone's response to a mattposter instead of that mattposter. but if you can admit to that then we're on the same page.

>>21056606
tldr

>>21056564
console rpgs and manga basically

i was never trying to learn japanese just play with japanese things and figure them out or think that i did (ull go thru this a lot)

once i got a computer and later on the net i found jesus in hentai games and never looked back

>>21056591
if i say something about the word 広義 and u have some buttblasted reaction to it doesnt that indicate ur the 1 with the problem m8 lol

>>21056596
ive brought up matt sometimes out of nowhere but the majority of hte time i just lol @ what u guys bring me theres a difference

dang that's like the 4th time i've called you out on that and you retreat every time. ez

dunno what you're talking about bro i've never associated with you before take ur meds

>>21056618
>if i say something about the word 広義 and u have some buttblasted reaction to it
i'm fine with you posting about it. in fact i encourage it. i just don't understand that guy's weird doublestandard when it comes to what you can post and what others can post.

it's not a double standard, you just lack self awareness. he doesn't give a shit what you post about, he's observing a problem keeping certain people from learning japanese.
leave this thread behind and study japanese instead. it's that simple. djt doesn't matter. if you stay here you're not going to learn japanese, straight up.

>>21056628
idk he prolly just "gets" it

not saying its not a double standard but all is forgiven if its good unlike that other dude who posts all kinda dumb matt shit no1 not even he himself can lol at

>>21056635
>keeping certain people from learning japanese.
you can drop all pretenses of caring whether or not some nobodies learn japanese. you just dislike the shitposting. admit that, drop the doublestandard, and move on.

imagine reading "djt doesn't matter. if you stay here you're not going to learn japanese, straight up." and going "yeah this guy sure must hate shitposting" when they're defending jamal, king of shitposters

by the way, "double standard" is two words.

was i mistaken i thought mattposting was only when u metaphorically fellate matt not when u have a laugh
i prefer to just be called a shitposter u know

no you're right mattposting is the weird cult thing not what you do. not sure how the mattposters misunderstood that, it's pretty obvious. maybe they're just this obsessed with themselves.

>>21056642
im the shit poster王 lol

thing is my posts are actually well thought out and crafted with care

>>21056655
mattposting is just posting something related to matt and all such posts should be discouraged because they provoke one another. it's how you know this guy is full of shit:
>>21056661

>>21056721
the irony lmao

>>21056622
Learning Japanese since 2007
Still stuck repping 300+ flashcards a day
Still has a very obvious gayjin accent

>>21056727
i mean they should be discouraged because it would help accomplish his stated goal of wanting matt fellating to disappear since it's just epic ironyposters trying to out-irony one another.

havin a laugh isnt irony
im just tryin to share a laugh u can laugh or ignore it or shit up the thread ur choice i aint takin responsibility for ur issues

Calvin is in college working towards a degree in accounting. Matt dropped out of college and is a NEET sponging off his dad.

Calvin realized forcing himself to learn a language wasn't making him happy and stopped. Matt ate lunch in a toilet stall while repping flashcards and generally threw his seishun away and obtained no happiness and will never be satisfied with his level at a language he hates.

Calvin encourages others out of the goodness of his heart. Matt will encourage you if you pay him $10 a month.

Calvin has some issues to work though but he is clearly the better person.

>>21056754
no i'm saying that when you laugh at matt it encourages the irony posters.

>>21056782
Who is calvin even? I'm late to the party.

>>21056782
Matt is self-employed, not a NEET you disingenious reddit scumbag, he earns $2500+ on Patreon by providing his supporters with the highest quality advice on learning Japanese in the world. That's 30k a year, and he's on good terms with his family too, so he probably pitches in with the rent and shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju4-bw3a48E

>>21056788
and im sayin aint my problem
they would prob post less if they got less yous but it aint a big deal
if uve been on djt long enough u can scroll past a big load of shit without bein too choked up about it

>>21056829
i agree it's the other guy who can't stand that matt posting

>>21056782
Calvin is Dan 2.0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYyj2UIU1xU
btw I finished the Luke interview, watching this now

>>21056795
take your meds

>>21055910
Did anyone download the yogamatt livestream or is it gone forever?

>>21056854
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYyj2UIU1xU&t=146
skipped to this and its all i needed to hear
it really is karbin if karbin didnt die

>>21056880
Was that a livestream of the YogaMatt podcast?
The YogaMatt Podcast #1 | Is Language Learning a Waste of Time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NInGVNQkqxc
The YogaMatt Podcast #2 | Fiction Vs. Nonfiction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ-YrNbMR0E
The YogaMatt Podcast #3 | The Two Paths of MIA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZjcNVUBYwQ

>doing moogy method
>1 year in and already N2 level
Still can't believe it's actually working holy shit

>>21056905
>N2
Nobody gives a shit about that glorified piece of toilet paper
Unless you're a thirdworlder who needs the extra visa points or you're trying to apply for a gayjin company lmao (instead of immersing with a Japanese company)

>>21056904
Yoga and Matt made a livestream, it wasn't a podcast though. Matt deleted it quickly after and it was never released.

>>21056892
Got that impression too
Calvin is too wishy washy and doesn't actually want to either
1.
>>21056919
I missed that, I discovered Matt in early 2018 but I only started digging his stuff hardcore this week
I'll check his premium Patreon and see if it's there
I know he had a livestreamed Q&A, which is on Patreon

>>21056904
no it was when yoga flew to matts parents basement to hang out and check out the manga wall and make love and they streamed for an hour
i think they deleted it immediately when it ended

what happened to nukemarine? He hasn't uploaded anything for a while now

>>21056892
Got that impression too
Calvin is too wishy washy and doesn't actually want to
1. learn Japanese/Chinese/Arabic for its own sake
2. want to watch/read native media
3. want to make friends in the language
4. wants a Japanese/Chinese/Taiwan gf
He just wants brownie points for "look at me imma language lurner"
Wonder why he's into Matt and MIA and not more casualfaggot bs like fluent in 3 months

>>21056932
He posted this 3 days ago
>Mar 24 at 4:00pm
>Milestone - Paying Others For Their Hard Work
looks like he outsourced making deck #9047 to someone else

Nick could have gone places, he was legit Chad-tier good looking too
Look at how good BOTH his spoken and written Japanese is
https://soundcloud.com/mattbonder/nick-speaking-japanese
https://pastebin.com/raw/qDAs3hkR

>>21056919
Just scrolled his entire Patreon and couldn't find it, ah that probably would've been a gem worth rewatching

>>21056795
> Matt is self-employed

i hope he's reporting that income properly including filing quarterly estimates. be a shame if he isn't and got audited.

>>21056968
patreon reports income above a certain amount automatically

DOUBLE TURKEY

>>21056969
unless they're deducting pay and submitting it to the irs and state collection agencies he'll still need to file and pay

>>21056968
u dont even have to pay quarterly u can just pay the penalty when u do ur return at the end of the year its never been that bad for me

worth paying over filing 4 times a year LOL

fuck off jamal, just follow matt already

id like to follow him

into a dark alley and rough him up a bit

>>21055457
kys cattle

>>21057050
Lol, you're the cattle. Go feed at the trough of the latest DJT flavor of the month textbook and Anki deck, faggot

>>21055092

are there any mattdrones actually follow his 50 steps

>>21056963
Add this to your to watch list.
Matt's Chinese learning Update.
He uploaded it in May 2018 on his second channel, but deleted it a month later.
Part 1: https://streamable.com/fxrip
Part 2: https://streamable.com/ywprk
Part 3: https://streamable.com/xonri

>>21057056
why do that when u can just go play a video game and learn something new in japanese immediately

マットが末等

>>21056957
he got himself in a bit of hot water when he tried to explain the input hypothesis
pretty impressive though

>tfw taking Japanese classes at uni next year
See ya later, dekinais

>>21057099
Thanks for sharing these fine gems, didn't know he used to have a 2nd channel.

>>21057176
Can't wait to hear you say KER NEE CHEE WAH because you're going to do Output on Day 1, faggot

>>21057161
Of course it is
Nick started at 17
became fluent at 19
if only he didn't get oneitis over some chinkette fulltime TA parttime escort

>>21057176
Listening to girls called Stacy squeaking out “ah ree gar toe go zai moss oo” is not to your advantage. Especially if you are the girl called Stacy. That chick needs help.

Classes suck. Not only do they cost money, but they’re boring and they don’t work. You only need look as far as the number of people taking Japanese classes, versus the number of people who are actually good at Japanese. The people in charge of the classes will tell you that it’s because “Japanese is hard”; “Japanese is different”; “it’s the kanji”; “those East Asians are so inscrutable; they just don’t think like we do”. Bollocks! Absolute bollocks! There is nothing fundamentally difficult or different about Japanese. Very normal human beings speak, read and write it on a daily basis. The problem might be with the way we are learning it, but it would be unprofessional, dishonest, and an act of the most severe bollocks, to blame the object of our learning.

I’m not saying you can’t get anything valuable from a class. And I’m absolutely not saying that teachers are bad people. On the contrary, there are wonderful, dedicated teachers out there. They’re victims, too. They know it doesn’t work. They know that success in their classes is only tangentially related to success in actual Japanese. Many of them even admit that “you need to do Japanese outside the classroom”, but too often, that takes the form of goofy busywork assignments. Filling in the blanks. Woo! I’m going to be the best Japanese-blank-filler ever!…Please.

What helps in the real world of Japanese is something almost all classes punish: the ability to wing it. Of course I believe in preparation, but real life situations rarely follow the plan in all but the most general sense. The plan gets twisted and even broken, you forget a word and have to explain your way around it. Stuff happens, and you need to be able to think on your feet. In class it’s called BSing. In the real world, it’s called common freaking sense.

Perhaps classes and textbooks for Japanese made sense when they had a monopoly on information. Back in the day, outside of a class, there probably were no Japanese materials readily available to a person outside of Japan. And certainly for a rarer language, like Dzongkha, you might want to seek a class because materials are so scarce (but that’s a big “might”).

In any case, with the end of their monopoly on information, the typical Japanese language class as it exists is long past its expiry date. You have the information in your hands now, and you can use it far more efficiently than a class can. And yes, a lot of it’s unedited information, but the real world never did come neatly shrink-wrapped in mind-numbingly boring vocabulary lists with chapter headings. Plus, a lot of the stuff out there actually is edited. For example, Japanese dictionary companies have both an economic incentive and a Japanese cultural bias to do things well. So there. Class 0, You 1.

I’m 23 years old and very arrogant, but I still believe in asking people who know better for help. In this on-demand, consultative form (like Dr. Mary Noguchi’s Kanji Clinic), a class would have use.

But if you’re signing up for a typical “watashi wa sumisu desu” textbook-centered Japanese class hoping for a teacher, through the magical power of the textbook written by the experts at the Takagawa-Jones Institute for Samurai Studies and Good Japanese, to inject the special invisible Japanese sauce (that they keep in the closet at the back of the room) into your brain in 45-minute increments every weekday…then don’t hold your breath. Instead, save yourself the time and heartache, take your precious money and go buy some anime, or whatever, just something in real Japanese. Take a shopping trip to Amazon.jp. Trust me, it’s better this way…

didnt read lol

>>21057201
>I’m 23 years old and very arrogant
why you seem like a dumbass

make sure u use google b4 replying 2 that post

>>21057210
retweeted, favorited, replied with fire and laughing and ok emoji

>>21057176
If it's using TPRS or some other approach based on Krashen's work then congratulations!

If it's a standard textbook skill-building drill-and-test course then you have my pity.

i was thinking of linking to the post and here anon already posted it
one of khatz's better posts

>>21057201
>implying Stacy would take Japanese

id fuck stacy full force in ass mouth vagina lol

>>21057240
why not

>>21057099
the part about proving to himself that everything he says is right
and then he quit chuugunigo again and karbined the video
a constant reminder dont go mia not even once

i had no idea sekiro was available on PC or that it was a from game. sorry to the dude who shilled it a few days ago

>>21057266
Stacy would at most do French because of romantic memes, or maybe Spanish. Japanese is too hard and full of weebs.

>>21057285
you're just making up stereotypes that apply to like 10% of people. stacys are found in any bullshit class that isn't stem.

>>21057279
its actually not that good like the first couple of hours is real fun but its boring as hell after that

its no bloodborne thats 4 sure

>>21057295
as long as it's as good as or better than das3 it should be OK. i actually liked das3 and a lot of people here seemed to dislike it.

haven't wanted to play sekiro at all just want to study

>>21057319
i think its ultimately worse than every souls game cuz theres not much that changes in the gameplay between hour 1 and hour 20 whereas u can experiment with diff weaps/spells etc in souls

>>21057201
lol nice write-up, and very true from what i observed when i took classes in college myself, mostly from watching others.

i think i was one of the lucky few that actually got something out of japanese classes because:
1. it introduced me to a lot of real life friends who were into japanese culture and language, which i didn't have before,
2. it got me a paid job helping the teacher, which meant i got to talk to her in japanese all the time as well as lead tutoring sessions where i had to know what i was talking about to teach other students,
3. my japanese teacher introduced me to a really sweet japanese girl who i got to have conversational lunches with every week, and
4. it eventually got me connections for a job in japan, where i am now.

i was really blessed with my experience of japanese classes.

that being said, i wish i'd started doing the things that really had big effects on my fluency from like 6 months in. i didn't really start going with raw anime listening and reading manga till like the end of the first year. and even then, other kids in the class would look at me like i was crazy when i said i was watching raw anime and reading raw manga. now, none of them are fluent at all. i think i'm the only one who came out of those classes with a considerable level of fluency. there was one other girl too, but she had already been studying on her own since highschool with drama CDs and idol stuff, plus she was chinese so kanji was easy for her.

I can't wrap my head around what exactly kanji is?

ok im really sorry if this is a very commonly asked question but i cant' find any website that explains it properly.ok so iv got a few questions. should I think of kanji as like ideograms? that's what iv been trying to do. why does a single kanji have so many different meanings? is it ok if i write everything in kana form without writing anything in kanji form? what' the point of kanji and why shouldn't i just write everything in kana form?

they are chinese house drawings nothing more nothing less

>>21057401
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX3h9irApwg

>>21057417
i hate this faggot he ruined my language learning strategies for like 2 years

>>21057401
Kanji are the pictographic representations of eternal metaphysical principles. For more, see Cure Dolly's site:

> To anyone reasonably well versed in traditional metaphysics, the meaning of some of the basic kanji is immediately and transparently obvious. Unfortunately, Western writers on kanji origins, armed with the beloved “progress” ideology and a total ignorance of traditional thought, work hard to obscure this. Let us try to set the record straight.

https://learnjapaneseonline.info/2014/03/29/kanji-what-the-western-experts-cant-tell-you/

>>21057423
Yeah, but the kanji explanation is pretty okay. I could explain it myself, but I'm too lazy to type that right now.

>>21057433
Don't listen to that guy, he's talking esotherical bullshit

i know what kanji are
i was just posting something from /r/learnjapanese

>>21057440
if you were attempting to make fun of them i think that was a fail, because its a pretty valid question.

>>21057457
no it isn't, also the question "why can't i just write everything in kana" is always funny

>>21057476
it's not obvious if you haven't started learning japanese yet

>>21057457
its valid until it asks about writing without considering reading at all lol

そうか

わたしはゲイか

whenever a gaij*n tries to speak japanese near me it's like pissing in my cereal

>>21057570
ORESAMA WA KIMI NO SHIRIARU NI UNKO SHIMASU

who shit in ur oatmeal

>>21057476
yes it is, for someone coming from languages with very different writing systems. stop acting high and mighty. some of you on here are really desperate to feel like you're better than someone.

>>21057506
it's possible they already considered reading, which would explain the first part of their question. as for writing, if they only learned to write everything in kana but could read kanji, then unless they're planning to live in japan or write handwritten letters to japanese people, it really would make little difference.

ive been reading and listening for months and still cant say anything but そうか　それはそうかも　これは俺のペン　わたしもゲイ　頑張りましょうね

>>21057588
ur post reminded me that no matter how bad these threads are right now weve still come a long way from the every1 posturing hella hard meta

>>21057595
i've been doing the same for more than months and can't say anything either but i know that's because i'm not actually listening or reading enough so i'm not really internalizing anything yet.

>>21057588
stupid noobs who can't read wikipedia to answer their entry level question should be made fun of

>>21057597
u showed me the light when u made fun of me for half a thread

>>21057616
dang what did u do

>hear 場合 said out loud
>been reading it in my head as ばあ・い all this time
>it's actually ば・あい
i mean it makes sense to read it like this but my mind is still blown

>>21057638
dang u really need to watch that anime dude

>>21057628
i told someone to stop outputting lol

Done with the Dan interview (some guy who was a mix of Nick and Calvin)
Listening to the Marquis interview now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KElish3lTk4

>>21057698
why are you posting them when anyone here can go through his channel

>>21057638
what? why would you think it was ばあ・い
if you know which sounds go with each kanji... unless you didn't?

>>21057707
He desperately wants these yous

>>21056537
that image

>>21057718
the power of brute force core 6k kanji learning

>>21057718
i just assumed it was like that never thought about it

>>21057726
didn't do any core deck actually

>>21056782
based Calvin, he may have blocked me on twitter for literally no reason but he's still cool in my book.

>>21056854
Holy shit that intro, I haven't cringed that hard in a while.

>>21057556
うん
ゲイ

is calvin posting at least acceptable? love that lil guy.

>>21056905
Moogy?

>>21057766
kinda like MIA but more inefficient.

hahaha I got rejected for a coordinator position through JET despite relevant experience and N1 japanese, almost certainly because I had autistically argued with my main interviewer about the merit of an answer I gave. don't forget: you're here forever.

Matt and Nick are the best at Japanese, but Brit, Yoga, Marquis, and Luke all got asian gfs and those two geniuses didn't

>>21057821
you got rejected cuz they want dekinai japanese majors

>>21057821
>I had autistically argued with my main interviewer
ull never nihonjin ni naru

>>21057821
People here keep forgetting but JET doesn't actually want people who can speak Japanese.

>>21057832
who cares

>>21057853
How difficult is it really to get into JET?

>>21057853
Why though?

>>21057853
their coordinator position claims to want strong japanese, but their test is written at like a n3 level (maybe? I don't really keep track) with most of the kanji glossed so I have no idea what they actually want. it certainly isn't people who read japanese

>>21057803
More like MIA without the bullshit that doesn't do anything, doesn't help, and is likely to make people quit. Moogy didn't even use Anki, which often makes intermediates quit. I admit that Anki is very useful for beginners, so copying Moogy's learning experience to the exact details isn't a good idea, but MIA is too far in the opposite direction as far as immersion-based learning approaches go.

Also, reading isn't bad for you. Lack of listening is bad for you. Big difference.

>>21057821
consider it a blessing and get a better job

>>21057872
Not at all if you are a native English speaker, have any Bachelors degree and don't really know Japanese. Bonus points if you've never actually been to Japan in your life.

>>21057873
They want retards they can exploit for a while, not someone who will land in Japan and turn around to get an actual job somewhere else once they're in.

>>21057885
They want someone with just a bit of Japanese, compared to the TA position, where they just want a trained monkey.

>>21057895
You'd have to be an even bigger retard to get a serious job in japan lmao

>he could teach english in a billion better cooler countries but picks japan


LOL

>>21057872
There are 17,000,000 people living in the Netherlands. For 2019 there is ONE ALT position available.

>>21057907
and how many people are applying?

>>21057910
1

>>21057910
two

adding lol to the filter

>>21057910
drei

>>21057886
yea that's what i mean. you're not as dedicated so you don't use something as simple as anki which can only help with retention. moogy's approach is more inefficient, but if you're autistic then you'll still get there in the end so no big deal.

>>21057919
nice self own

>>21057638
lol same
it just makes sense for ba to be elongated into baa

>>21057927
ばあ
まあ

dont do that

>>21057638
uh it's ばわい dude

>>21057903
>cooler countries than japan
don't exist. if you live in one western country you've lived in them all. and everything else is 3rd world and shit. nice thing about japan is that it's got the standard of living of a western country but is more exotic.

>>21057922
>you're not as dedicated
I don't see how reading for several hours a day, every single day, for months, isn't dedicated. Moogy also learned faster than anyone who's gone through "normal AJATT/MIA with heavy Anki use so far.

>>21057936
>I don't see how reading for several hours a day
ajatters do everything you do plus anki.
>Moogy also learned faster than anyone who's gone through "normal AJATT/MIA with heavy Anki use so far.
we went over this before and know this is not the case.

>>21057931
nah dont do this either its not the time

>>21057933
literally any sea country is better for u

>>21057938
its not plus anki cuz anki is a minus

>>21057938
>ajatters do everything you do
AJATTers read less than Moogy did. Straight up, across the board.
>plus anki.
They use Anki too much. Using Anki too much is actively bad for you.
>we went over this before and know this is not the case
Nope. Just like we went over last time, the people you were using as examples of AJATT/MIAers learning faster than Moogy were lying about how long they'd studied Japanese.

traditional ajatt is actually the best

traditional matt is actually the best

>>21056945
Close. I'm paying back the guy that typed up all the Tango books. I'm also paying a guy to make image montages for the books. Considering paying another to create slideshow videos for the Tango decks (put the image montage to work, using Pimsleur like repetition, although its pointless in my opinion people might like it).

There's really not that much of learning material to make as Tango seems to be really popular and effective.

>>21057957
sure but they listen more.
>They use Anki too much
yea but an hour or two of anki out of 6+ hours of active immersion is better than none.
>the people you were using as examples of AJATT/MIAers learning faster than Moogy
no they didn't.

米国を再び偉大に

Not only do I not know the most efficient learning method but I don't even know Japanese. Pretty sad how people sometimes argue with me as though I'm worthy.

Just do anki reps and read a bit of manga, LNs, or VNs every day. Consult grammar guides when necessary.
It sounds failproof, but it might not be.

>anki
not important

>>21057975
>sure
Not "sure". The difference is overwhelming.

If his VNDB is to be trusted, Moogy read something like 20 to 30 full length VNs in Japanese before he took the N1. A normal full-length VN is something like 400k to 1500k characters long. Let's go with 25 VNs and 600k characters each for the sake of simplicity. That's 15m characters. A normal novel is something like 200k characters long. That's like 75 something full length novels worth of text, over the course of something like eight or nine months. That's more than Matt has read in Japanese in his entire lifetime. And Moogy only kept on reading after that, he has more than 200 VNs under his belt.

>they listen more.
Moogy watched anime without subtitles of any kind. For pleasure.

>yea but an hour or two of anki out of 6+ hours of active immersion is better than none.

Only as an absolute beginner. As an intermediate, an hour of reading is significantly more helpful than an hour of Anki. In fact, spending more than 30 minutes on Anki per day is an indication that you're abusing Anki and not getting much out of it for the effort you're putting into it, which is the main problem with MIA's approach to Anki.

>no they didn't.
They did.

Oh yeah and most VNs are voiced, so you're not going to run into Matt's theoretical "but your accent is going to be fucked up" issue. Which you shouldn't trust anyway since Matt's accent is so god-awful despite all the "listening" (almost all passive) he did.

>>21058003
cavemen didnt have anki and they learned their ancient languages and had more sex than u to boot

>moogy method
Need a quick rundown

>>21058004
>The difference is overwhelming.
i agree but the difference in listening is overwhelming too. ajatters actively listen for 4 hours minimum and passively listen all day.
>As an intermediate, an hour of reading is significantly more helpful than an hour of Anki
anki is always more efficient in terms of retaining vocab. it just won't teach you japanese.
>which is the main problem with MIA's approach to Anki.
i agree.
>They did.
they didn't. matt is the only one who spent significant time learning in class before doing ajatt. nick, ben, and patrick started ajatt when they started learning japanese.

>>21058031
read all day. that's it. watch raw anime when you feel like it.

>>21058031
enjoy anime

enjoy hentai games

attain a reasonable level of nihongo proficiency

work on several shitty official tls

post on twitter

>>21058027
as if my goal in life is to have as much sex as possible you retarded nigger lip ape

an attitude of cynicism will fuck up your learning more than anything. a receptive and enthusiastic mind will help you stay motivated and focused. a lot of you are shooting yourself in the foot when you’re constantly focus on shitting on other people who are trying to learn.「その人はできない」優劣ってことばっか考えてるなら、必ず意識下は「自分もできない、劣ってる」って覚えていくんだ。

>>21058043
dont nigger me u fucken idiot

黒んぼ

>>21058031
This but several hours of reading/listening daily instead of just 30 or 60 minutes.

>>21058033
>the difference in listening is overwhelming too.
You have no idea how much Moogy actually "listened" to Japanese.
>ajatters actively listen for 4 hours minimum
No they don't.
>and passively listen all day
Background listening is literally 100% worthless. Putting Japanese music on repeat is more useful. Really.
>anki is always more efficient in terms of retaining vocab.
Anki is not more efficient if you read and listen so much that you're going to see everything more often in a natural context than you would in Anki. Anki is only useful when you're a beginner exactly because you can't read and listen enough for it to outpace Anki, but input can and necessarily will outpace Anki once you're intermediate.
>nick, ben, and patrick started ajatt when they started learning japanese.
I don't know Ben's situation. Patrick lied about when he started. Nick is the one who got NTR'd, right? He went outside of the AJATT method.

>>21058046
All of you retards should shut the fuck up for a minute and listen to this guy because it's the only good advice you will get out of this garbage pile of a thread.

>>21057895
let me guess, you went on jet and had a shitty experience so now you’re projecting that on the whole program? sorry your experience sucked but that doesn’t apply to everyone.

>>21058061
I would have never applied to something as shit as JET because I'm not a walking garbage can with no self worth.

As always you fucks fail to display a mastery of basic reading comprehension.
It's ALL japanese, ALL the time. Need I repeat myself? ALL the time. They are listening to, or else reading, Japanese 24/7. No breaks. Headphones on all day and night. ALL the time. That's how it works.

Anyways, you should always remember that the typical AJATT/MIA victim is like Calvin. They go hardcore for a few weeks, let their studies go lazy for a month or two, start over a couple times, then either quit or give up on the method entirely.

>>21058071
matt said that don't matter anymore though the only thing that matters is your 5 hours of active listening a day and meditation

>>21058054
>You have no idea how much Moogy actually "listened" to Japanese.
ajatters literally listen all day dude. moogy CAN'T have listened nearly as much. most of his time was spent reading.
>No they don't.
they're all pretty clear about that.
>Background listening is literally 100% worthless
when you're not paying attention it is but you're supposed to pay attention to it when you get the chance. adds up to hours of active listening.
>you're going to see everything more often in a natural context than you would in Anki
simply not possible except for the most frequent words.
>but input can and necessarily will outpace Anki once you're intermediate.
i don't understand how people even intuit themselves to this position. it's not even true in your native language if you wanted to learn new words right now.
>I don't know Ben's situation.
handsome asian.
>Patrick lied about when he started.
patrick wouldn't lie.
>Nick is the one who got NTR'd, right?
yes
>He went outside of the AJATT method.
no he didn't.

>>21058071
The amount of people doing AJATT according to this definition must be fluctuating roughly around zero

>>21057853
>People here keep forgetting but JET doesn't actually want people who can speak Japanese
this statement is bullshit. people who can speak japanese and go on jet, have a much better time in pretty much every way. especially if you’re placed in smaller towns.
JET doesn’t require it, but it does increase your chances of getting in, helps a hell of a lot in daily life, and saves a ton of stress and loneliness. most issues people have on JET are related to their lack of proficiency in japanese (isolation, issues with setting up utilities, being treated like a puppet in the classroom, etc)

>>21058085
>ajatters literally listen all day dude.
Literally, actually, unironically stopped reading right there. If you wanted to get any ideas through to me you should've been more reasonable. There's no point in arguing with someone who lies to themselves this blatantly. I'm going to go masturbate or something.

>>21058046
笑うときは笑え

そんだけだ

>>21058070
>I would have never applied to something as shit as JET because I'm not a walking garbage can with no self worth.
you definitely are just that (or at least that’s how you see yourself) and everything you’ve said so far proves it.

>>21058098
imagine getting owned on a message board so bad u quit and go jack off lol

i don't know exactly what the JET life is like but i imagine you are forced to teach little japanese kids english through their shitty curriculum and it doesn't seem very interesting

>>21058098
wtf are you talking about? i'm going off their personal testimonies. ben talked about listening when taking a shower by playing japanese on a speaker and even listening during class.

>>21058098
as if keeping your headphones in all day while you do stuff is hard and unbelievable

listen to drama CDs instead of paying attention to class, good idea that will definitely work

>>21058106
basically that and ur living arrangements are likely to be trash and ur only friends will be other jets/gaijins and the japanese ppl are gonna talk mad shit about u 24/7 cuz in a homogeneous society everyones got their nose in every1s ass all day every day and they like it

>listen to drama CDs
BUT WHERE THE FUCK DO I FIND TRANSCRIPTS? PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOMEONE HELP ME

>>21058121
watch 10000 hours of eng subbed anime and u wont need them retard

Here's a life hack to save harddrive space:

Instead of downloading several hundred different episodes of anime, just listen to the same episode of a single anime several hundred times. You'll get your listening hours up, while keeping those gigabytes down. Credits go to Dolly for this nifty trick.

>>21058123
help me jamal or stfu

if you need transcripts you shouldn't be listening to long form audio with no visual queues

>>21058121
just challenge yourself to figure out what's happening without having to read it

>>21058099
笑うためでもなんでも、自分の言うことは意識下にはどんな影響を及ぼしてるか分からない人は無知。

yosh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHiGbolFFGw#t=252

>>21058106
if you like kids and your japanese is good you can have a great time, meet lots of people and enjoy easy money. oh and you have to have a good, likeable personality because otherwise it’ll be difficult to make friends, and that goes for literally anywhere.

>>21058155
yeah i don't want to meet people or kids

>>21058131
それだから

わたしはゲイ

>>21058159
then don’t pursue any work that involves socializing or children lol

Before I make a fool of myself and make people hate me, is this kind of humor acceptable in Japan?
Can I be funny like this in Japanese? Can I say this sorta dumb shit and people will laugh?

This shit made ME, a gaijin laugh, but from what I understood from you guys, Japanese people have different kinda humor.

https://youtu.be/D1l0x5GcJEw

合コンって言うより「拷問」。

>>21058281
i guess with that vid specifically japanese ppl will find it funny for different reasons than u do

420 moyase

now that takes me back

>>21058281
Japanese humor is rather mysterious.

>>21058300
After the third loop I noticed they have boobs.
Are those... female?

>>21058320
Yes. You answered your own question.

>>21058300
luckily theres some dudes who "get" humor

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9342289

>>21057907
What the hell does the Netherlands population have to do with anything?

>>21058300
It's so simple that you're looking for a deeper meaning.

>>21058300
https://files.catbox.moe/o273uh.webm

>>21058388
this link is a computer virus

>>21058391
this poster is an idiot

>>21058393
nice self own also dont sign ur posts

>>21058388
I laughed
I guess I have Japanese humor

>>21058396
can't wriggle yourself out of this one you worm.

>>21058388
>that look
nice desu ne!

>>21058415
i said dont sign ur posts

Can ~はおろか　and ～どころか

Be used interchangeably?

A special message for all you dekinais.

>>21056424
why don’t you want to read manga?

>>21058124
dogen also suggested this. but with a movie instead of an episode of anime.

>>21058124
Why don't you just delete the episodes after watching?
That's what I do.

just ask mommy to get u some more megabytes lol

The sea names in Japanese sound great:
Mediterranean Sea: 地中海 (ちちゅうかい)
Black Sea: 黒海 (こっかい)
Yellow Sea: 黄海 (こうかい)
Red Sea: 紅海 (こうかい)
Yes, the Yellow Sea and the Red Sea sound the same in Japanese. Is this where pitch accents come into play?

>>21058054
>Anki is not more efficient if you read and listen so much that you're going to see everything more often in a natural context than you would in Anki. Anki is only useful when you're a beginner exactly because you can't read and listen enough for it to outpace Anki, but input can and necessarily will outpace Anki once you're intermediate.
What about when reading 5 paragraphs of a novel will produce like 20 anki cards, or one episode of dialogue-heavy anime will produce over 50 cards. I don't know if I should use anki or not.

>>21058576
actually its just the same shit dont worry about it

>>21058576
>Yellow Sea: 黄海 (こうかい)
>Red Sea: 紅海 (こうかい)
Why Japanese people?