/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Nihongo is epic

my girlfriend is trying to learning english... any of you esl can suggest some resources?
i can't remember how i learned, hence i have no idea on how to help her...
also, ive only learned enough to do what i needed (play games, read stuff... learn japanese)

>>21031977
just teach her yourself

課せ

烏兎匆匆

>>21032010
the few times we have to spend each week, its better to watch a movie, date, you know.

seriously, i wish i could help her more. i found many books online, but if they are as good as books to learn japanese, i think she is going to waste a huge time

last thread was so beautiful

I hate the language more the more I know about it.

>>21031977
Tell her to read the the KJV Bible.

>>21031977
10k hours of cartoon network and nickelodeon

i love /r/learnjapanese/

>How many of you actually speak Japanese?

>I live in Japan but I'm pretty weak with my Japanese. But for any foreign language I always recommend studying and speaking every single day. It doesn't have to be a long time everyday just something.
"im weak but here's my advice"

>I learn through WaniKani and KaniWani daily, as often as I can. I've done basic grammar and slowly starting Genki book from beginning to brush up. Do I speak it? 少しい。
"im literally a beginnner who doesn't know the word 少し. here's my advice"

>>21032110
Wouldn't 10k hours of Liveleak footage of people getting shot be a more uniquely and properly representative American way of sinking into an English-speaking country's culture?

>>21032118
don't forget "I want to learn Japanese but I don't want to learn kana, kanji, grammar, vocabulary, or ever read anything. what app do I download?"

>>21032129
if those people are black then yea

>>21032110
I was really disappointed cuz i didnt get any help. but your comment actually made me laught
good job, anon

i don't have a gf so i'm PISSED and don't wanna help

Help who with what

wtt wife for gf

Dogo no kawaisa can kill, be aware before clicking!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y1c_JaKE_E

>>21032193
my gf who is trying to learn english.
but i have no idea how i learned, so i cant properly help her with resources and stuff

玉砕主義

>>21032118
can you imagine someone creating anki with less feature and control and people pay a yearly subscription to it lmao

>>21031977
I spent hours each day on this very website since I was about 16 years old for more than 10 years. I guess that's how I learned the most.

>>21032292
but i dont wanna screw up her mind

>>21031977
What is her first language? I learned english by playing online FPS and watching South Park. But as a german speaker, english is basically a free language. I never took any lessons at school and didn't read any books about it.
Just tell her to start watching and installing everything in english and she should be fluent in about 3 months.
If she is speaking some weird language or even an asian one, she should prepare to study anki decks for many years to come.
Oh and completely forget about grammar. English doesn't really have any grammar except for some tenses, nobody really knows how to use anyways.

>>21032302
Is she Japanese? Just apply the same things you do for E to J in reverse. Flashcards, Netflix with English subs (and later without) and open dictionaries. Watching lots of youtube (the English auto subs are usually good). It's even easier than for Japanese material.

>>21032304
her first language is portuguese, like mine.
i remember i downloaded an eroge (interesting, huh) in 1999 or 2000 (or something) and it was translated into english. so i bought a dictionary and learned it
guess it wouldnt work for her

>>21032321
i wish. if that was the case, i would just do that. simple as that.
she speaks portuguese

good news i copied the .card css from vncore to my mining deck and it fixed the disgusting typeface/font style or w/e the fuck you call it that is the default for japanese text in anki 2.1.

now if i only i knew how to fix japanese font in chrome.

>>21032359
Switch your system language to Japanese.

>>21032323
It's certainly harder for people from a latin based language. But it's still pretty easy. I think learning some vocab through anki could really help her. I presume learning about 100 new words a day should be pretty easy with english. I'm sure she already knows tons of english words, but maybe has a hard time recognizing them in the wild. Maybe she could even start by reading something simple. Like comics, or harry potter.

かんじはくそです

>>21032375
てめえは日本語学べぬ

ask the nihonjins to make a coop eroge so you both can learn together

>>21032399
coop eroge where in order to progress you gotta 中出し irl.

coop suck my dick bitches

>>21032278
These people are so far gone from me on language learning I don't really understand what they're thinking or how they justify it

>>21032477
People who use shit like wanikani don't actually like learning the language, they like the idea of themselves learning the language. They like wanikani because it gives you a cute little number you can brag about that's completely removed from any language ability. You get some of the social prestige of learning the language without actually doing the hard part

>>21031977
>my girlfriend is trying to learning english
maybe you should do the same

>>21032512
I don't think they're all bad, they just think endless flashcards and grammar study is the path and then after 2 years of doing that 1 hour a day they quit because their only interaction with the language is this dull shite

reminder that studying grammar is a complete waste of time, if you just read and listen to japanese enough you'll figure it out.

What are some of the common lies said on /djt/?
I'll start:
>I'm fluent in Japanese

>>21032535
>わたしはゲイ

These people only had to read tae kim once and then embark on the epic adventure that is reading compelling content made by natives.

>>21032535
>Matt isn't good at Japanese

>>21032516
ahh i didnt mean to 'ing' the verb. have no idea why i did that
sorry if i offended the proper speakers of this great tool called english

>>21032540
広義

>>21032547
You beat me to it

>>21032547
I wonder what the yomikata of this weird word is

>>21032553
ひろごう

>>21032535
No one says that though

>>21032512
There is little difference between doing Wanikani and doing the Core 6k deck. The biggest difference is in the order in which it presents its content and that it makes it harder for you to cheat yourself.

Pretending it does nothing makes no sense either but I can see why people dislike it a lot.

>>21032539
No, I actually am. I draw disgusting fetish smut and everything.

>>21032565
yea but no one here said core is good either

>>21032547
tfw i now know this word cuz people have been shitposting about it so much

>>21032547
>he's shit because he made a mistake

>>21032553
hirogi

>>21032565
last i checked wanikani has a built in speed limiter and also doesn't let you skip things you don't know and forces you to go through its terrible kanji course to get to any worsd

>>21032532
You might as well just try to figure everything out by pure induction. If you wanna learn about plants, you should go and look at stuff in your backyard, compare leaves, stems, instead of reading books on botany. Likewise, you shouldn't learn about mathematics, logic, or physics, since everything can either be observed or deduced from a priori principles. As a matter of fact, considering that there's only so many possible letter combinations that can be used for names, you shouldn't ask people for their names, and instead attempt to guess.
Or you could save yourself quite a bit of time by relying on what others have already written down, just filling in smaller gaps in your knowledge by deduction.

>礼賛
Didn't expect it to be read like らいさん

>>21032621
it's only people who are afraid of grammatical terms like "verb" and shit like that who advocate not reading about grammar. they think because they can't understand simple explanations that it must be nonsense

>>21032621
lel anti-grammar-guide retards just got owned

>>21032621
what's with these pointless analogies that have no relevance

"you should learn language you learn math!"

>>21032621
learning about plants isn't a basic human instinct that even babies can do effortlessly
you really thought you had something here but youre too fundamentally retarded to realize how retarded you are

the idea that you become fluent in a language by learning about it is the reason why you will never ever make it

>>21032669
why would you want to do it the same way as a baby (ie taking several years to reach the point of saying a sentence) when you could just use your adult high order thought process and just it learn it 100x quicker lol

>>21032642
my favorite useless grammatical word used in pointless grammar discussions is "modify"

>>21032677
how would you explain what an adverb does to a verb?

>>21032678
who gives a shit

What happened to "go over tae kim once and then start reading"?

>>21032642
Japanese grammar is not too difficult to read on, but I admit that the reason why I decided not to study Greek, Latin, or Sanskrit was just because I felt too lazy to memorise seemingly long lists of grammatical categorisations. Otherwise, I would've probably already be reading Cicero and the Ramayana in their original languages.

>>21032682
so the entire field of linguistics is pointless? we shouldn't try and preserve or study the structure of language?

lol why even bother studying about physics guys the world just exists as it is!

>>21032689
Learning a language and being a linguist are two dramatically different things. The vast, vast majority of people who speak their languages fluently have zero knowledge of linguistics

>>21032689
that is another topic separate from learning the language and utilizing it

anon didn't say anything about becoming fluent from reading about grammar, and if any of you have ever referenced a grammar guide then you're being hypocritical.

>>21032683
Hopefully forgotten, it's a retarded advice. I mean if it was a proper language course instead of just a reference like TK where you forget 60% by the the you get to the end it would make more sense.
Reading TK once is like saying read a dictionary once to learn vocab.

>>21032678
adverbs are actually magic but they're no more magic than subjects or objects or datives etc
everything can be interpreted as a little rope that gets tied onto the verb, adverbs just twist and bend the verb in different ways than subjects and objects

>>21032706
I think it still holds up as a good advice

>>21032705
unfortunately the only evidence we have that grammar is useless is native speakers of any language. all of us probably started with le grammar+vocab crap and then switched eventually.

>>21032700
>>21032699
but the point is that it's possible to understand and preserve the rules of a language in writing, and therefore it's also possible to read those rules and understand them. why would you want to grope around in the dark waiting for light to appear when you can just go into japanese with a flashlight?

>>21032669
Most people learn the language spoken by people around them. Not as many people learn languages spoken by people on the other side of the world.
Besides, schools all around the world have grammar classes. I went to school in Mexico, America, and Austria, and in all three of those countries I learnt more than a bit on the basic principles of grammar in each country's respective language.

btw i take back what i said abt sekiro in the other thread

it controls aight

>>21032720
It's been so long since I learned basic Japanese grammar (15+ years ago, from a native speaker) that I honestly have no opinion on how to start out, I just thought it was silly to say 'you don't need a grammar text to learn a language' is equivalent to saying 'linguistics is useless'

takes natives a good couple years to learn to understand their language properly even at a very basic level with tons of words and patterns missing, you can cut that down a lot by priming your brain to learn things by exposing it to simplified portraits of them in advance. that's what reading through tk like a book is for. it hardly teaches you anything, it just makes it easier for the grammar you see from it to become i+1, so you learn it more readily when reading and listening. having a mental foothold on the language, even if it's completely wrong, reduces the affective filter and thus is also an aspect of this that makes it easier to learn.

>>21032731
no one cares what schools do

>>21032749
can you play it in japanese

>>21032755
>I just thought it was silly to say 'you don't need a grammar text to learn a language' is equivalent to saying 'linguistics is useless'
except that wasnt the premise at all

>>21032761
>can you play it in japanese
japanese voices are the default and the intended language unlike the souls games

>>21032775
yea the premise was no one gives a fuck about verbs and what modifies them

>>21032814
what about subtitles

>>21032821
no they released the game in japan without any japanese text at all. what do you think

>>21032846
i'm a fucking retard and didn't know that

Slang doesn't exist they're just words

ドキドキ
ふわふわ
もふもふ
ダラダラ
ワクワク
ペロペロ
カラカラ
ペコペコ
ソワソワ
These are all acceptable words in Japanese. What a meme language.

>>21032939
what a fantastic list of... nothing, really... first week learning it?

dude i hate words

>>21032547

>>21032547
>>21032961
i was def making a joke @ that earlier when i posted 玉砕主義

hope u appreciate it more now on 2nd glance

>>21032939
How about フリフリ

i just don't get how there still hasn't been a single person that claims to be from djt that has extended audio or video of them speaking japanese. to prove how superior they are to matt.

>The Japanese had sent delegations and students around the world to learn and assimilate Western arts and sciences, with the intention of making Japan an equal to the Western powers.[4] These reforms transformed Japan from a feudal society into a modern industrial state.
How did they do it bros? How did they succeed where all other Asians failed?

>>21032986
trust me bro

i just dont get how no one in an anonymous shitposting commune has an ego the size of a youtuber

>>21032939
What the fuck is a キわふラクロラコワ?

>>21032997
you do have an ego that's why you constantly shit talk him. you believe you're better. so prove it

>>21032986
>>21033001
hey matt

why does khatz hate stacys so much

imagine if khatz was still active today and was writing articles about how to apply jordan peterson's 12 rules to life to japanese

>>21033001
ive posted over a thousand times that i dont know nihongo
ur really startin to grate on me

i dont know nihongo
i AM nihongo

>>21033031
not yet but thats the plan

>>21032986
https://vocaroo.com/i/s1XiDGLYtzE6

>he STILL doesn't know 天主家
Never gonna make it.

any ｎｈｋにようこそ fans
found some secret audio
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm745317

is it possible to become better at nihongo than ntr without becomin kanken guy
theres never been evidence of it before

>>21033055
its not hard to become better at nihongo than me

all u gotta do is input for 20 years and do the thing i dont do - study LOL

im just the bar dude

>He wasn't born knowing a random japanese word
Never going to make it.

>seething this hard
Never gonna make it.

>>21033060
i get what ur sayin but has anyone here ever done it
scary to think about

>>21033016
like everyone else who has tasted the sweet easy money to be made from the ignorant, the naive, and the dekinai he has a patreon https://www.patreon.com/ajatt

maybe someday we can get him, matt, and dolly (via telepresence of course) into the same room to settle who has the best method once and for all.

>I'm not even that guy just trying to be funny m8
Never going to make it.

>still seething
Sad!

>I'm starting to think you really aren't gonna make it and that you're the one seething
Sad!

nice thread

>nice thread
Sad!

>mattdrones fuming THIS hard
Pathetic.

im just realizing theres a lot of mistakes in the subs I get from kittsuneko whatever. some are more obvious, some I dont know which is right. mistakes that seem like I might make some of them are dumb, and then lines I have no idea what theyre saying it seems like they just guessed. are they just made by some guy? I hear a lot of animes dont have an official subs. also Ive made a lot of progress by using no subs and then just looking back at the sub file opened in browser. would recommend

Watch this instead of Jamal hiphop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd5QuZq5jmg

t. dekinai scum

>>21033107
why not both ?

btw im still lolling at this its the cutest most darling matt moment if u dont count all the other 1s and that muramasa vid lmao

https://streamable.com/6hm1z

stop shilling that waito piggu

bringin back the inspirational banger that yall need most https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1WAVN6EIT4

its not bang time till i say its time

btw i lol at that vid every time he deepthroats the shit outta the mic

>>21033127
its not the banger we wanted but its the banger we deserved

Hey /djt/ 2 months in anon here, do you guys recommend completely shoving Tae Kim's grammar guide into my head before proceeding with immersion or is it fine to just get a general idea of all the rules?

no heres the banger u deserve

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gMoI6gWikE

>>21033153
Do a real grammar course instead like Genki.
If you really want to do TK, then yes, the entire guide is the absolute minimum you need.

matt is a pretty attractive guy physically

>>21033122
what's cute about this

>>21033153
>do you guys recommend completely shoving Tae Kim's grammar guide into my head before proceeding with immersion
immersion is the only thing that matters in the long run. shit like this is just minor details. it doesn't matter what you do.

>>21033153
depends who you ask, I say gloss over online tae for a week while you wait for a physical copy of the dictionary of japanes grammar to come in the mail, then read that front to back painlessly in a couple days, and thank me later

*laugh track plays*

>>21033161
>do Genki
stop that RIGHT FUCKIN GNOW

heres the banger u deserve https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao5vzHCJtg8

everyone arguing about grammar... doesn’t DOJG just throw all the anti-grammar people’s arguments in the garbage? you can even download the anki deck and use it as a literal electronic dictionary for grammar anytime you encounter a new construction in the wild.

>>21033170
Nah, fuck off.
Reading TK once or twice and not doing any practice like Genki's workbook will mean you will instantly forget or at least completely mix up all those different conjugations.

whos arguing about grammar ?

>>21033179
reading native content is strictly superior to genki

>>21033179
I didn't even finish Tae Kim before I started reading. Forgetting and mixing shit up is literally guaranteed for beginners no matter what, no matter how many times they reread Genki. If you recommend people to do a shitty little workbook, they'll think all they need to do is that and then when they finish it and try to read some Japanese they'll be mad they can't understand shit. Might as well recommend they do an anki deck of tourist phrases, because that's about all the info you're gonna get out of genki.

>>21033179
>Reading TK twice
not gonna make it

>>21033161
>>21033166
>>21033167
>>21033179
>>21033187
>>21033185
>>21033196
Sending me mixed signals here, but it seems you at least all I agree that I can't half ass it. Thanks guys I'll try my best

>>21033154
this is pretty rad

>>21033185
Reading native content while constantly having to reference TK what does 食べたくなかった mean because you did zero practice and already forgot it is extremely dumb.
DO CONJUGATION PRACTICE. It doesn't strictly have to be Genki, but TK doesn't make you do it enough and most people won't do it if the guide doesn't have exercises for it.

>>21033187
"reading" Genki is not the point. Doing the workbook exercises is the point, or whatever conjugation practice you want.

i made a mistake heres the banger u deserve https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfF92_H56UA

>>21033185
>>21033179
japanese the manga way —> reading manga —> reading VNs and LNs
it provides all the grammar constructions you need with very clear explanations, using example texts straight from real manga panels. way better than going in blind and way better than traditional grammar guides and textbooks

>>21033201
Only half ass anything when you get burnt out, but try to avoid english regardless. Like skim it because you're trying to get japanese in your blood any way you can till it gets easier.
Balance things and make them as fun you can. The excitement in the start wears out if you don't make it fun.

>>21033207
reading is just "conjugation practice" but more productive because you're reading natural sentences

>>21033008
Maybe because his ex-white wife and current Japanese gf in Canada aren't Stacy-level hot.

>>21032359
>now if i only i knew how to fix japanese font in chrome.
install advanced font settings
set everything to meiryo

my favorite article
Japanese Is Useless And A Waste of Time: Stop Learning It
by khatzumoto

my favorite article
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzKTHb-sZo8

>>21033245

>>21033241
holy shit thanks. it worked.

xiaovin's twitter is gone again but he just updated his blog so he's still active. does twitter really just have something against him? or does he think he has to turns his account off every night to recharge it?

>>21033245
this guy sucks.

This sickness has made me incredibly lazy and I've barely done much Chinese at all besides some immersion. It is day 12 and I haven't made too much progress at all. I need to fix that. This weekend I am hammering pinyin, no matter how I feel.

>>21033285
it breaks my heart to see xiaovin chasing chinese. why is he doing it? what does he stand to gain?

>>21033207
one scan with yomichan would tell you. best method, kana flash cards > skim grammar guide > hooked vn > mining 20 cards a day > raw listening practice

>>21033291
he claims it's always been his true love but i suspect he's just been in love with the idea of learning a (particularly exotic and difficult) language without actually caring that much about the media, culture, or history. it's OK not to care about those things but he should be honest with himself before he quits chinese for spanish (my prediction).

i'm very interested to see how calvin would manage to fuck up learning spanish

Learning Spanish is easy, just watch 10000 hours of Brazilian soap operas.

https://pyonpyon.moe/hentai.html

>>21032939
You forgot
クルクル
しましま

>>21033309
nice bait you got there
as a brazilian, i felt a bit triggered but thats alright

>>21033285
karbin doesnt know how sick he really is

>>21033053
why NHKにようこそ　Use a に particle?
What about using a には?

meruem was created to destroy humanity but in the end just wanted to play board games with komugi

i have a list of japanese words in a txt file, no definitions. is there any program or anki add on that will auto-generate english definitions for each item on that list?

>>21033396
then it wouldn't make sense
にようこそ or へようこそ are common set constructions, what good are doing questioning them?

>>21033309
True.
T. Chilean spic

Kanji tree app is really good for writting/memorizing.
Is "takoboto" a OK dictionary? (i have rikai and yomi in firefox and a paper one in my local language.)

phoneposters deserve death

>>21033434
kanji tree is like doing rtk without stories

>>21033401
what in the fuck

>>21033344
>('サキュバス', 3388),

>>21033344
>('有馬線', 1701),
how did they fuck that one up

>>21032939
i fucking hate onomatopoeia

AJATT: a bunch of vague stuff obscuring the core message of comprehensible input.
MIA: Rebranded AJATT meant to look rigorous with a bunch of theoretical "optimizations" that don't make any difference whatsoever in practice.

FTFY

>>21033185
>reading native content is strictly superior to genki
You went full retard

Genki is the best way to start learning Japanese. After genki use textbooks until you are on an advanced level.

And here is the thing, AFTER you are on an advanced level, reading native content is the best way to improve even further. But if you don't reach the advanced level with textbooks, you will either quit Japanese or being stuck like Matt in the intermediate Japanese.

>>21033344
This is horrible. Why would anyone use this? The word priority order is laughable.
('私', 108005),
('おちんちん', 47488),
('言う', 39755),
('中', 39193),
('射精', 35109),

>>21033502
>But if you don't reach the advanced level with textbooks, you will either quit Japanese or being stuck like Matt in the intermediate Japanese.
not exactly inclined to take language learning advice from someone who's this bad at english

>>21033499
you guys need to actually tweet this stuff at him or he'll never know people disagree with him and he'll never change.

>>21033502
>After genki use textbooks until you are on an advanced level.
lmao

>>21033505
? why would you want to learn any other words

>>21033499
"kohgoh"

>>21033505
that sounds perfect to me but unfortunately ive already mastered those words

>>21033499
He's right though. AJATT is a let's play. MIA is the speedrun.

>>21033502
you're a fucking retard and not one thing you said here is correct.

MIA is like taking a freaking gameshark to their head

>>21033545
that's DJT

>>21033505
私
おちんちん
中
射精

wow yall r extra retarted atm

i'm starting to get the hang of this whole japanese thing

>>21033577
日本語上手ですね

>>21033511
last time someone from here tweeted at matt it was a horrible embarrassment so lets not

>>21033581
what happened?

>>21033306

>>21033593
not him but i think it's the guy who misunderstood one of matt's articles about what constitutes fluency

>>21033597
i forgot that was my boy karbin

>2 words for charcoal

For what purpose?

木炭

炭

>>21033597
>thesentenceminer
has he even mined a single sentence in his life

>>21033401
Epwing2Anki

>2 words for ice cream
for what purpose?
アイスクリーム
アイス

>>21033623
u think thats 2 words for ice cream? lmfao kid u havent seen anything yet.

>>21033610
newsflash, all languages have instances of multiple words referring to the same thing

>>21033645
>only one of the videos is over an hour
dont come at me with this weak shit

>>21033610
burger literally does not know what a synonym is, posts random pic of chrischan to announce to everyone that he's from /v/ and needs attention paid to him

>>21033674
OBSESSED

>>21033610
>charcoal
>coal
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW

>ice cream
>gelato
>sorbet
>sherbet
>frozen yogurt
>soft-serve
アメリカ人って頭大丈夫なん?

>>21033212
I just learned japanese by watching this.

i always wondered what kedo was doing in sentences where there was no seeming contradiction between two clauses and it turns out it doesn't always translate to "but/however" but instead something like "and". gay ass language. what the fuck even is this nonsense? why does this happen so much?

>>21033300
>he's just been in love with the idea of learning a (particularly exotic and difficult) language without actually caring that much about the media, culture, or history
All polyglots summed up in 1 sentence.
I'm learning Chinese 'cause I want to chat up those qt mainland and taiwan fobs I see in the mall.

why do we sit in this english chatroom when we should be learning japanese

Ahh I remember being new and thinking the fonts matter..

ソフトクリームたべたい

>>21033760
I come by once every 5 hours to say a few ridicules and I'm out

>>21033760
because you're my bros and i love you guys more than japanese.

>2 words for meaning
for what purpose
意味
意義

>>21033756
to keep the fucking pleb retards out

>>21033774
umm theres like 6+ words for some things, and your second example is rare as fuck

>>21033778
then why am i still trucking along? fucking gay ass shit

How many words are in Japanese for "suddenly"?

>>21033793
exactly

>>21033793
One.

>>21033774
• Kanshudo usefulness level: 3 among the 3,000 most used word in japanese
nvm I guess I just get lucky and never see it

>>21033845
how do you make jisho dark

>>21033849
i got dark plugins/addons for everything to reduce blue light since I'm a neet and don't want to lose my eye sight

>>21033849

>>21033512
but that would require them to not be pussies lol

>>21033853
>>21033856
Thanks.

>>21033857
Shut up Matt you literal pozzed ape

You know your 四字熟語, right faggots?

>>21033867
Just finished learning all of them.

>>21033758

But chinese grammar is the easiest out of all the languages that exist and once you master the tones and learn the radicals the only two difficult things about the language issapear and it becomes the easiest language ever.

the voice work site would be much more useful if it listed the voice works that were used... or at least kept the filenames... this way i could see exactly what voice works has scripts...

>>21033714
most of those are different varieties of ice cream, numbnuts

>>21033864
i’m not matt and you’re a pussy boy

>>21034020
>lying on the internet

>>21034004
アイスの種類ということは全部アイスでいいんでしょ? なんで別々の言葉が必要? バカなの? 死ぬの?

>>21034060
Learn japanese

https://youtu.be/lUxYrusLfpg?t=1269

I've decided I'll stop coming in these threads, because everybody is saying "that method of learning is wrong" and "no, this one is wrong" and it's starting to take away my motivation.
I'll just learn Japanese how I feel is the best, in the end I'll speak it better than all of you, because I haven't wasted all my time in these threads instead of actually learning Japanese.
>私はゲイじゃない

Can anyone upload 宵物語? Azw3/mobi/epub/txt?

>>21034185

Tbh if you don-t really need to know Japanese the best method of studying is the one you enjoy the most. Anki is a fucking chore
I think reading and looking up the vocabulary you find after grindin 1 or 2k words is a lot more fun interesting. Instead there are autists doing anki for years and learning useless words.

>>21034021
being a pussy should be a crime

>>21034217
>useless words
You will never read anything harder than Hanahira without being glued to a dictionary in your life.

>if you're not playing constant bangers on down time


aint gonna make it

>>21034289
t. pozmonkey matt

>>21034187
Just buy it if you wanna read it that badly.

>>21033442
but the stories are the best part

>>21034217
>Anki is a fucking chore
I actually agree with this, but if you've ever had a moment where you enjoyed a chore because you enjoyed the progress you made so much that's anki to me.

without anki i think i just fly by words, how could they possibly stick

How to Learn Chinese, according to anon >>21033873:
1. master the tones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-jbT0nw8LA
2. learn the radicals
https://ja.scribd.com/doc/245798030/Remembering-Traditional-Hanzi-1-2
3. ????
4. easiest language ever

>>21033857
>he'll never change
What exactly does Matt "need to change"? He gives amazing advice, in fact I'm restructuring my whole language learning journey around MIA.

>>21034295

I probably know less than 10k words in English and I can play literally every game and watch every movie and series out there understanding 99% of vocab.

One shouldnt do more than 6k after that it is mining deck territory if you do 10k you are an autist.

>>21034391
fuck off back to r*ddit with your dumbassery

>>21034414

Nigger.

>>21034382
fuck off chugokugo nigger, find your own thread

>>21034428
Make me perma nip-beginner

>>21034391
im around 6k right now and I'm starting to realize its not the number of words but how well I know the words I think I know. Intill you hit my solid mid tier level there is so much denial bombarding you.

everyone craves love, but how many people are willing to practice loving themselves? not narcissism or self-absorbtion, but self-kindness? being caring towards your own difficult emotions and encouraging yourself.
if you can’t even do that, what makes you think you’d be able to maintain a healthy relationship with a beautiful woman? you’d just weigh her down.

>>21034439
are you reading as well?

>>21034433
>perma
I'm better in 6 months than you'l prolly hit your life if I'm wrong idc bc its just a matter of time eigo fag

>>21034447
ofc, more speractic but daily

Anyone can recommend interesting novels or light novels from the online list (https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/library/shousetu.html)) ?

Still trying to find something that's engaging enough to really pull me in despite having to look up a word every paragraph.

>>21034456
youre like the big warm blanket I never wanted

>>21034467
Thanks, I feel the same way about you!

>>21034439

You can't seem to refute the fact that at less than 10 k I can communicate fluently and use this language as good if not better than my native one.

Anki is useless after 6k only mining deck after that. I know around 3.5 words and can understand like 50% of everything.

Has anyone ever even seen this kanji?

It seems as the most useless kanji ever.

兕

>>21034565
i use that kanji every single day wtf are you talking about

>>21034565
That's a 兄 with severe brain damage, pay attention.

>>21034566
>i use that kanji every single day wtf are you talking about

>>21034577
yo what the fuck is this real

Hello. Anyone have link to Chronobox Original Soundtrack download? Thanks

>just listen to weaboos speaking nihongo all day for years and you will automatically become fluent in japanese

lmao yeah right

>>21034586
why would you ever listen to weeaboos speaking japanese instead of actual japanese people for literally ANY reason

Tae-Kim is confusing. Either i'm a brainlet or the book does a poor job at explaining things in a clear manner.

>>21031977
English requires almost no effort to learn. Every foreigner i've met on 4chan has learned English through vidya and movies, so maybe get her to start there.

t. esl

>>21034594
Tae Kim is entirely descriptive. He knows nothing about linguistics or the structure of the language. I honestly have no idea how he got so popular.

rtgei is trash
dgeit was right again

>>21034609
He just sucks at explaining shit in a manner that makes sense. Everything is convoluted instead of simplified down, it's like he tried to make an actual book instead of a guide.

>>21033645
The german autist takes the cake for sheer effort put into the most useless things imagineable.

And the rest of Matts followers are unsurprisingly overwhelmingly young boys with no direction in life, getting sucked into this death cult.

>>21034615
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2007/09/03/repeat-after-me-there-is-no-such-thing-as-the-subject/
It's because he genuinely doesn't understand the language. He knows how to say things, but he has no idea why things are said a certain way.

i wonder how good tae is at japanese now
he's been posting about VNs and shit ever since then so i assume he's still been getting input

Do you have to make your own decks past 2k? I'm finding nothing past it. Or is learning past 2k overkill unless you really want to get deep into Japanese?

´>>21034609
That stuff is unnecessary anyway. As long as you know how to say things and do so naturally with no mental effort, you're good. You don't need to know the whys. The whys turn a process that is natural into something unnatural, which only serves to harm you. That's why the best source of grammar is 10k hours of anime.

>>21034639
yeah 2k words is enough if you look like this

Grammar is kicking my ass, but not for long

>>21034647
Yeah but I imagine learning grammar is more important, so once I get to 2k I can just look up whatever I don't understand. I'm not seeing any (good) decks anyway.

hey, what are the best Japanese language tools for chrome called? Like the one that lets you look up kanji etc. Much appreciated

reading this thread reminds me of forums with a mainly female user base. half of it is filled with conversations about ecelebs. I dunno how people find it interesting to talk about irrelevant people. must be some low iq hobby that my brain isn't suited for.

how many times do we gotta say わたしはゲイ before you start to believe it

>>21034660
There's one poster who thinks it's his mission in life to tell us all about everything every eceleb is doing at every point in time because he thinks it's good for the thread.

>>21034639
mine your own
there's core6k though

Do you guys fail the kanji in anki if you remembered the meaning & stroke order but forgot the story? having this issue a lot of mature kanji of 6+ months duration

>>21034673
>forgot the story
Like the sentence used as an example? No way

>>21034668
Yeah but it doesn't have any images, and at that point i'd rather just makes my own if i'm going to edit all of them.

>>21034673
RTK lesson 31, read the text. I hope you actually have the book and aren't just using a shitty anki deck.

>>21034673
Of course not. I don't remember any of my nmemonics today. They are just a tool to remember. If you don't need em who cares. Eventually you will forget keywords to, at which point you will have to add japanese on the front alongside the keyword.

>>21034680
i'm using KKLC tho

>>21034683
or rather used, I finished it a couple of mons ago

>>21034683
Well then I hope the book explains somewhere that mnemonics are a tool to help memorisation, otherwise it would be a very shitty book. If you can write the kanji and know what it means and can use it in words, what in hell do you need the mnemonic for?

>when a sentence has a ton of hiragana in between kanji's
this shit confuses the fuck out of me. i can't tell sometimes if what i'm reading is grammar, or kanji that's in hiragana

Matt recommends listening to native Japanese speakers that are youtubers (rather than talk show hosts or anime rips) as they speak naturally. He also recommends listening to someone of the same gender as yourself since there are differences in the way males and females express themselves in Japanese.

Does anyone know of any youtube channels that are more or less just a native, male Japanese speaker talking to the camera? Preferably from Tokyo.

>>21034718
>Does anyone know of any youtube channels that are more or less just a native, male Japanese speaker talking to the camera? Preferably from Tokyo.
yes, uh, like 50% of them

>>21034729
Please link some! I barely touch youtube...

>>21034391
You are severly underestimating your English vocabulary just like everyone else I've seen that makes this claim.

Do you know more than 2 of the following words?

vindictive
obstinate
mutilated
predisposed
indigent

Then it's highly unlikely that you know less than 10k words in English.

>>21034718
The style that Japanese youtubers make videos in is fucking unbearable to watch. I just can't do it.

>>21034765
I think I am might be retarded. I'm only knowing one of those words.

>>21034718
Fuck that. Watch Voiceroid LPs and (female) vtubers. Why would you listen to a man talk for like a fucking hour about anything? Are you a homo?

すげー

>>21034718
>Matt recommends listening to native Japanese speakers that are youtubers (rather than talk show hosts or anime rips) as they speak naturally.
He only recommends that when you're already pretty good and want to start outputting soon. If you're not at that stage yet it literally doesn't matter what you listen to.

>>21034787
>I'm only knowing one of those words.
why are you learning japanese when you're still making fundamental grammar mistakes in english my man get your priorities straight

>>21033174
For fuck sake

>>21032118
Man, I visit that every now and then, but it somehow has even less useful advice than /djt/. There's just so many retards and people outright asking for hugs and praise for what little pointless thing they did. I remember once a guy posted a thread about how his girlfriend made a box for him with pandas on it to encourage his Japanese study (even though literally every living panda is Chinese).

But in its defense most of the criticisms you can give /r/learnjapanese/ apply to all of that website, it's just a big dumb hugbox for people to share fanart and blogs.

>>21032939
eevui vui minna lets mofu mofu

>>21034895
>but it somehow has even less useful advice than /djt/.
/djt/ actually has pretty good advice compared to most japanese learning communities. Most people seem to actually recommend immersion here.

>>21032642
No, I advocate not reading about grammar because it's really boring, although I will admit that reading some grammar in the very beginning is probably a good idea.
Also, it's entirely possible to understand and speak a language without having any conscious knowledge about grammar. You're literally born with a brain that has the ability to figure out languages by itself, all you need to do is to give your brain input.

>>21033756
it puts the thing before it behind the next thing or lower on the totem pole to the next thing (said or unsaid)

>>21034321
idk how i feel abt this

>>21034955
this is mostly the case but most of the advice is not what the scrubs wanna hear

>>21032642
I still don't know what verb is.
Good thing we have osmosis huh.

Matt "MattVSJapan" Bonder

japan won dude

>>21034673
How the fuck are you remembering the meaning and worried if you also remember the story? Are you seriously testing Kanji to Story? Stop that. Stop that right now. Just stop. STOP.

>>21035164
He makes $2500 a month making videos in English about learning Japanese. That's sort of a win.

>>21034673
Yes, and remember whenever you read Japanese text it is paramount to stop at each Kanji and recount the story. Else your understanding will always stay entirely superficial.

Guys, we have a problem on /a/:

>>>/a/186105179

>>21035171
idk dude a mans hustle is sorta separate from whether or not he lost to japan which he very much did many times and still continues to very much to our amusement

>>21035020
it's also entirely possible to figure out gravity based on perception of the universe, as newton did. but it's prob quicker to just read his work and not try to recreate all human knowledge by yourself

>>21034673
amazing bait. im actually upset i never thought of this one. bravo, honestly.

he lost the second he went all 便所飯

>>21034609
>>21034615
he's popular because he doesn't dive into so much worthless bullshit and says "yea this generally means this". which is perfect if you're going to read and listen.

>>21034673
I'm using Matt's Low Key Anki setup. If I get at least 1 stroke wrong or can't remember -> Fail. If I write it right regardless of anything else -> Pass.

MattVSROChina

>>21035336
I actually keep generally googling grammar points and get back to Tae Kim every time cause it really covers the stuff you might need to understand most sentences you come across. Usually a quick glance at what it means is enough as well. I would never try to memorize the stuff he puts there.

someone needs to make a matt x jinping banner like carlvins

>>21034456
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/shousetu/b/%E4%BC%8F%E8%A6%8B%E3%81%A4%E3%81%8B%E3%81%95_%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AD%E3%83%9E%E3%83%B3%E3%82%AC%E5%85%88%E7%94%9F/%E4%BC%8F%E8%A6%8B%E3%81%A4%E3%81%8B%E3%81%95_%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AD%E3%83%9E%E3%83%B3%E3%82%AC%E5%85%88%E7%94%9F01%E5%A6%B9%E3%81%A8%E9%96%8B%E3%81%8B%E3%81%9A%E3%81%AE%E9%96%93/index.html
No, I'm not joking. It's great.

give it a rest m8

>>21034765

you actually made me feel better about my english.
i know all words.
but perhaps, i cheated... since my language is quite similar sometimes

obstinate - obstinado
mulilated - mutilado
predisposed - predisposto
indigent - indigente
vindictive - vingativo (this one is a bit differet, but still)
lol

I won't rest until every lost soul wandering DJT has been saved by the power of the imouto.

am I a bad person if I have around 1000 light novels that aren't on itazuraneko and am not feeling like sharing?

>>21035435
so it was u all this time

>>21035444
Yes. Share your Kumikos.

>>21035446
いかにも

>>21035444
All that shit is easily available anyway so who gives a shit.

やっぱしね

>>21035419
>https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/shousetu/b/%E4%BC%8F%E8%A6%8B%E3%81%A4%E3%81%8B%E3%81%95_%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AD%E3%83%9E%E3%83%B3%E3%82%AC%E5%85%88%E7%94%9F/%E4%BC%8F%E8%A6%8B%E3%81%A4%E3%81%8B%E3%81%95_%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AD%E3%83%9E%E3%83%B3%E3%82%AC%E5%85%88%E7%94%9F01%E5%A6%B9%E3%81%A8%E9%96%8B%E3%81%8B%E3%81%9A%E3%81%AE%E9%96%93/index.html

haha, dang, I am skeptical, but I do appreciate the recommendation. I'll give it a shot!

>>21035458
by easily available you mean it's easy to buy, right? or are you implying that there is another source like itazuraneko somewhere?

>>21035499
There are about a million sources of LNs.

>>21035499
nobody here has ever bought 1000 light novels, they probably think that scans are fine or something stupid like that

>>21035508
I understand. I was just shit posting, but i could understand someone who did. scans are sometimes terrible.
i just use scans to keep track of how many pages ive read (it helps me somehow)

i've been putting off anki for 1 and a half hours which means i'm putting off reading because i only read after i finish anki

>>21035613
Good, you don't deserve to read until you finish your daily reps.

>>21035613
Just do your fucking reps Anon.

I don't even count the time doing reps as study time any more. If all I did in a day was do my reps I already failed.

if u do reps at being retarded ull actually become retarded as a result

i’m at an 宴会 right now with a bunch of my japanese coworkers and i can only understand about 60% of their slurred drunken man speech
but that’s been enough to let me enter the conversation a few times and get some ノリがいい感じ going on

>>21035613
if you use reading as the reward to get yourself through anki but you hate anki so much that you put it off and never get to reading then you should uninstall anki and go directly to reading

>>21035613
this is the point where you quit anki

>>21035709
gay normie shit ftl

mixing english and japanese...
actually, mixing 2 japanese words/expressions into a full english sentence.
is this reddit with a changed layout?

ulusai u bitch ass baka

>>21034580
This one in particular IDK but I've definitely seen deformated heads like this before

i dont wanna see no caved in heads dont post that shit

also i hope all yalls heads are their proper egg shape

>>21035613
Read, motherfucker. Read. Read the trashiest trash. Anki is just a supplement.

that pic just the worst man u really screwed the pooch on that 1

i also didnt read most of it

>i also didnt read most of it
That's where you fucked up. Sasuga.

sorry i gave a few of ur blurbs a chance and literally 0 of them were funny

They only make sense as a complete system. What good is a joke that people understand after the first four words come out of your mouth?

no one gets to the punchline of an aristocrats joke and goes oh well the stuff about fuckin and suckin each other while shitting on the floor and fingering the dog wasnt very funny but now that i know its called "the aristocrats" its suddenly all very funny

皆様、前代未聞最低スレを目指そう！

あなたならできる

>>21035800
this is easily the dumbest shit i’ve ever seen lmao

>>21035800
this image really is just so fuckin bad lol

Man, you guys just don't understand True Humor. baka irl

>>21035858
hey man dont take it personally just come back next time stronger and funnier i throw so much stupid shit against the wall thats not funny and it doesnt get me down

>>21035871
did not fuckin read this its frankly even less interesting than the above dudes take on a meme image

>>21035613
delete your shit
mine new decks
make sure anki takes 30 minutes at most
if anki deters you from spending time with japanese you've already lost

It's funny because my chad meme is making fun of the exact attitude Matt has in that screenshot.

>>21035875
you don't find a master of the japanese language's preferences in japanese media interesting? well your loss i guess :/

Is he right?

>>>/a/186110894
>>>/a/186112053
>>>/a/186112150
>>>/a/186112480
>>>/a/186112977

>>21035877
i mean yah matts the virgin with the earbud holes in his hoodie we get it

>>21035884
from what i gather from those posts, absolutely

>>21035884
is that the rip van winkle shit lol

i mean theres 2 ways u can go with it u either embrace japans folktale or u dont its really simple and both can be correct depending on the circumstance

feel free 2 paste this directly in2 the thread 2 put their argument to rest

>>21035886
no way matt’s a virgin. he might be a nerd but he’s attractive so he definitely gets pussy

>>21035945
idk man im only half gay but his personality makes my BP dry up like nothing else

i can only imagine matt in bed with a girl explaining the most efficient way to make him cum

>>21035613
why don’t you switch it? you have to do at least x minutes/hours of reading before touching anki. that way you can prioritize what matters most

>>21035951
hed prolly cum while trying to explain it assuming he didnt lose his erection due to social anxiety

>>21035947
one night stands and hookups usually make personality irrelevant, if he’s the kind of guy to do that sort of thing

9 out of 10 of djt would open their ass for matt let’s be real

>>21035884
There's two modes of translation, the commercial, functional translation and the translation for a more limited, informed audience. The wider the intended audience, the more you're going to eliminate references and peculiarities specific to the medium and it's surrounding culture, to enable foreigners not familiar with the culture to enjoy the medium without doing extensive background research. That involves, replacing puns or jokes that are specific to a language with something else that produce a similar response, even if it's not the exact same pun or joke.

So, I'd say he's right. There is a case to be made for a more literal approach though if you're translating for a limited audience that is more familiar with the medium. But even then, shit like puns are hard to deal with. Do you want the audience to know exactly what the original said, or do you want to evoke the same reaction that the original evoked? Sometimes these two things are impossible to reconcile and it's a matter of your personal translation philosophy.

i would open my ass and take a really big hearty loafy shit all over him

>>21035957
you need to have some game for that. the boy got minus game. he's okay looking, not "getting pussy thrown at him" good looking

i also have it from reliable sources that matt's under 5 foot. thats why it looked like he bulked up a bit in like 2-3 months in his videos. very easy to put on muscle when you're a dwarf.

>>21035970
and then let him fuck ur poopy bum while whispering sweet ajatt nothings into your ear

>>21035974
points were made

>>21035981
no not really just uh poop on him and come back to posting itt

>>21035990
how you gonna drop a deuce in this thread if you've already relieved yourself on matt

>>21035996
id poop my actual digestive shit on2 matt but in this thread i would shit from my heart

/djt/ : eceleb/snake oil salesmen general

>that one guy who's obsessed with shitting on matt instead of going on the MIA Perfectionist Path (if you want to get a japanese gf someday) or the Balanced Path (if you just want to read slice of life VNs)

>>21036062
following matt wont get you a japanese gf. my gf genuinely begged me turn off the matt vocaroo when i played it for her to get her opinion

Planning on listening to all of Matt's Q&As (except the MorphMan since I'm more than a year away from using it, in accordance with the MIA Perfectionist Path) and his AJATT Interviews

>>21036069
What does your white/SEA gf's opinion have to do with anyone itt getting a Yamato Japanese girlfriend

>>21036076
uh cuz shes purebred yamato is why

>>21036080
What does a gaijin huntress' opinion have to do with anyone itt getting a Japanese girlfriend who gives zero shits about western culture besides classic Disney movies

>>21036087
lol im the only gaijin shes ever dated and all she does is make fun of japanese slut girls and wives who dont cook for their husband

im sorry but matt has been native-scoffed and unvetted

>>21036096
Matt has been vetted by natives though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzLBf7l5G-g

Having a power boner is a good indicator of your brain doing actual nihongo gains at its max rate.

oh boy nice japanese guy looked at hella rehearsed vid and goes huh its not that bad

versus impromptu convo going so pathetically bad a grown woman literally just chunks up the deuce and walks out

>>21036113
>vetted by natives
the dude is obv super polite typical japanese guy, and he literally criticises him for almost every word he says. matt didnt even have have time to say anything before he fucked up どうも in his scripted video

ill take the reaction of my gf who was literally unable to handle listening to him for more than 10 secs over some weird youtube guy whose obviously obsessed with americans

i dont understand why people shit on matt daily
dont like him/it (the method)? ignore it, turn the page and move on with your life.
thats what i do, at least, but i suspect im much more sane than 99% of djt anons

cuz its funny how bad he is for being 8+ years deep in japanese and he pretends like hes not

That one anon who did anki for 8 years confessed that he couldn't speak himself.

Going on the Perfectionist Path as laid out by Matt

２０１９はるアニメなにみる？

いまＰＶみてる

>>21036173
ひとりぼっち
ぼくべん
この音とまれ！

>>21036173
漢字を使え!

it's been almost 3 and a hours and I finally got around to finishing my anki reps. i will now read for 2 hours.

We all got the OFFICIAL /djt/ game, right?

>>21036242
looks boring and i don't have a ps4

>>21036193
キャロル＆チューズデイっていうのがすごいおもしろそう
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBak9m0bcB0

みるタイツってのインパクトある
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYo9a1xV6kE

あとは進撃かな
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJm2nD3cv_4

２０１９はるは

ちょっときびしそう

>>21036150
same, you're not alone.

where the fuck is xiaovin's twitter

xiaovin is majoring in accounting in university and here i am being a neet shitposting on jp. what the hell am i doing with my life

>>21036282
http://xiaovinjtf.blogspot.com/