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>>2099959
One of the best translated VNs.

I liked it.

It was ok... none of the endings felt particularly polished (except for the hospital end in my opinion), but otherwise it was quite interesting.

Pretty good.

>>2099982
>except for the hospital end
>hospital end
???

>>2100019
It's the bad end you get if you choose to have Saya fix your corrupted senses.

>>2100019
Tell her you want to go back to the way it was. I teared up.

>>2100019
He means the mental asylum.

;_;

Really good, should've been longer though.

>>2100036
That phone's looking a little thick for those vents there.

>>2100041
You get the idea.

>>2100049
I just had to point out the minor error to hide my tears ;-;

>>2100025
that is the bad end fuck which one is the good end

>>2100057
In the good end, EVERYBODY DIES.

>>2100057
Germination end

>>2100057
I assumed germination was good end. Still ;_;

>>2100057
All the ends are bad ends.

>>2100063
That's not a good end.

>>2100057
There is no good end, only slightly less bad endings.
;_;

>>2100065
>>2100068
>>2100069
The germination ending is only a Bad End for humanity. It's a Good End for the main character and Saya.

>>2100078
Yeah, if you assume Saya didn't die after germination, which I did not.

>>2099959
>>2100084
Well irregardless, it's still the Rabu Rabu ending.

>>2100084

I agree with this, and I thought it was more fitting. You can believe what you want because there is no definite ending, but I like to imagine that Saya dies and Fuminori is surrounded by Saya-like creatures but goes insane anyway.

>>2100098
Ditto. But at least her goal was accomplished.

Nitro+ haet good end.

>>2100102
GOAL!

>irregardless
RAGE XD

inb4 evolution of humanity and fuminori's sanity. Please don't kill this thread, the way you always do.

I don't kill threads about mai waifu.

Makes me wonder why she didn't manipulate herself
in order to turn herself into a human being.

slowpoke here. anyone with a link to the patch?

I loved the MINDFUCK and LOVECRAFT but there was a lot too much mating. As in, it was there at all, not to speak of more than 1 eroscene/hour of reading. Stupid useles eroscenes didn't add anything to the VN that was otherwise made of win.
Also too short. It's like a Visual Short Story.

>>2100141
Check /rs/.

>>2100137
Is this just me or legs are too long?

>>2100140
Female brains do not work that way!

>>2100155
>legs
>too long
What?

>>2100140
Perform self-surgery? Is that even possible?

So, who else hated Saya and Fuminori by the end of the game?

>>2100177
Here, me.

>>2100177
If by "hated" you mean... loved... Then yes.

What ending did you get?

Before I play SnU, I always assumed Saya was innocent and pure. My mind was crushed by the first ero scene, and it only got worse as I went further into it.

>>2100155
Technically no, they're only a bit longer than head+torso which is how it should be in animustyle drawans. But the torso is too short making the head appear large and the legs long.

>>2100181
I got every ending, but was only satisfied by the one where Fuminori's friend (can't remember the name) and the doctor killed those two fuckers. They had it coming.

>>2100185
Hahaha, exactly.

Once you realize what she actually is, you go
"what the fuck?".

>>2100185
I guess I shouldn't have spoiled myself before playing then.

>>2100192
Am I a genius or are you guys just really slow? It was obvious from the start that Saya wasn't human

>>2100202
No you're not.

I didn't understand the beginning, so the
environment confused me for quite a time.

>>2100192
>>2100199
I knew she was a monster, I just didn't know she was a cumdumpster.

>>2100202
Can't it be both?

I'm not even sure if the tag is necessary. But yeah, try rethinking the ero-scenes afterwards.

>>2100210
Did you think she was a trap?

>>2100185
>>2100192
But in a way, she was incredibly pure.
A being with no sense of self who managed to gain a soul.
A being with no bearing of what is deemed "good" or "bad" in human terms.
You can't technically be corrupt if you don't know what you're doing can be deemed as corrupt.

>>2100191
They had it coming, yes. Saya never had any real concept of human morality (go figure), and by the end Fuminori had become a bigger monster than Saya. They deserved what they got, to be sure.

That's why I'm confused as to why I was so sad when they died together (not to mention all the other endings). Maybe it's because of the dandelion speech.

>>2100228
Or this, well said.

>>2100231
Even if I disliked them, I was sad too. Saya dragging her dying body next to Fuminori was pretty heartbreaking.

It's a bit late, but, well, here you go.

>>2100290
Thanks, I'll save it for later.

>>2100231
>>2100256
Not likable? Just the excuse to use this picture!

>>2100458
I didn't say I disliked her. In fact I think she's awesome.

needed more oral sex

>>2100109
Given the premise, this COULD NOT have had a good end.

>>2100491
I could imagine it happening with >>2100140
before they actually killed anyone.

Her instincts prevents her from wanting to become human. Besides that, the whole germination thing was not a BAD END for humanity, but rather us turning into what Saya was, which isn't TOO bad.

>>2101157
you realize saya was a slimy blob of meat right?

>>2101177

Yeah. I still don't think it's that bad. We've got the same minds and everything, we're just a little... different.

>>2101177
A slimy blob of meat that captured my heart.

>>2101177
A sexy blob of meat.

>>2101210
The loli caught your heart, not the slimy blob.

I think she was a little more than a blob of meat...

>>2101292
Wasn't this just fan-art and not official?
Atleast in the SnU VN there's nothing on her appearance.

>>2101216
But if we were all slimy blobs then we'd all look normal to each other.

>>2101372
No we wouldn't.

Seems like you didn't understand the
concept behind Fuminoris disease.

>>2101372

>If everybody was as hideously ugly as me, society would finally accept me!

>>2101378
I interpreted that during the germination, our minds would be changed to that which comprehends the meat blobs as normal people.

Basically we'd all be turned into creatures like saya, and thus we'd all look normal to each other.

I figure its another one of those issues, like whether saya died or not, that's open to interpretation by the reader.

>>2101385
Did you play the game?

Did you see what happened to the person who
turned into a being like Saya? First of all
she lost her fucking mind.

She saw herself as the monster she
became after being transformed

Her eyes didn't alter.
her body did.

>>2101394
That was a completely different situation. Saya had it in for You, she didn't merely change her appearance.

>>2101394
Her body was transformed by Saya, but not her mind.

The germination, logically, would do both.

>>2101405
She didn't have to change her appearance since Fuminoris senses were altered due to his operation.

If this conversation's too deep for you just say so.

>>2101408
Her mind was also destroyed too, Saya was turning her into a fuck toy, not someone who just looks like a meat blob.

The germination would totally alter humanity in order to evolve the species and transform it. In order to do that, it would either need to forcefully change everyone to accept meat blobs, or more likely, just change their vision so they look normal. Like what Saya did to that neighbor guy.

1. Saya has computational ability exceeding the physical limits of classical computing, but dimensional travel is possible, so practical quantum computing is likely also possible, and primality testing is highly suited to quantum algorithms.
2. Saya can create mechanisms to modify other creatures. In our case retroviruses, but she had to learn about DNA so her ability must generalize to any life form. Reconstructing a complete genome from sperm is stupid and inefficient, so we can assume this was an excuse for porn scenes, and Saya can analyze any cell. Her quantum computing ability must be some trick that works with any common biology.
3. Ougai assumes Saya creatures will subsume the culture of creatures they transform, but Saya germinates after analyzing only a few humans. Transforming humans without "breaking" them is tricky even for Saya, and she could not possibly create a mechanism that safely transforms all humans in all their genetic diversity with so little information.
4. Saya's biology seems similar to Earth animals. She the result of modifying extradimensional creatures that evolved in a similar way to humans so this is not surprising. It implies her classical computing power is not much different to that of humans.
5. Saya creatures follow extreme r-selection reproduction strategy. This is consistent with lack of culture, and makes evolved superintelligence very unlikely.
6. Saya seems to have no resistance to infectious memes destroying her reproductive ability. This implies her species did not evolve with exposure to culture, but her reproduction strategy depends on alien cultures!
7. From 5 and 6, Saya did not evolve at all, but was intelligently designed. This is consistent with Ougai's speculation.

So why did the higher intelligence create Sayas? They are inefficient as biological weapons (see Asylum end). Maybe it is a kind of test, where only cultures that have a strong meme of romantic love can survive. But why would something that approves of love create such an unreliable test, where many "innocent" cultures will be destroyed? I can only conclude that Saya is some kind of joke of a chaotic god, and I don't think this is dramatically compelling.

Also, I very much doubt that a small flask of LN2 could freeze a roughly human sized creature covered in slime. And how was it transported? The flask would have exploded if sealed, and been very obvious if not.

>>2101428
>>2101430

>>2101430
Why do you assume they knew anything about love? Saya was just malfunctioning.

>>2101428
>>2101430
I disagree with you.

>>2101460
She read romance novels.

>>2101460
I didn't assume love had anything to do with it.

>>2101430
More than likely she's a "virus" to a highly evolved level. Not evolved as in "lol im so smart" but evolved as in it's learned how the most effective ways of taking in biological data and transforming it.

Sure, it could also be a weapon, especially since it was implied she was specifically sent to Earth to conquer it. That would mean there is a highly intelligent race of beings out there, who feel the need to transform all of the universe into meat monsters. And though I dont presume to understand the highly evolved thinking of the super-intelligent aliens, I wonder if the author of Saya no Uta even thought of the intricacies of his plot that deeply.

>>2101501
How would such a creature evolve? She is obviously designed, and it's probably more some inexplicable Elder God madness than an actual weapon, as she's not very effective as a weapon and anything powerful enough to create her wouldn't need weapons.

>>2101523
Perhaps each time a germination takes place on a planet, the creature that she is takes a bit of the useful DNA and traits from the host species and uses it to modify their own DNA. Sort of like the Aliens from the Alien series.

Then, after a planet is fully germinated. A random "pioneer" is genetically selected at birth. Perhaps how queen bees and ants are birthed in those colonies. The Pioneers instinctively go into space and search out planets to start the germination all over again.

Another possibility: Saya is actually a hivemind species, but due to a defect or some injury when she was younger, she lost the ability to communicate with the hive. Now all that drives her is her innate instinct to conquer worlds. Much like my previous hypothesis, the hivemind species goes out to worlds and conquers their gene pool through the germination. It then uses the use full traits to modify it's own genome in order to further evolve.

>>2101523
Exobiology thread? I'm down!

Now, imagine if you will, evolution not through the countless successive generations and traditional passing of genes. That's short term, thinking in our own life frames. A creature that manages to stay alive for aeons, through careful management of its ATP resources and well, vast incomprehensible biology, doesn't have the chance for that. Specially if the numbers are low.
So, instead, we have individual evolution, where every organ of the body competes for resources and domination, hacking the body to achieve perfection and easy adaptation to any environment in a single generation. It's a viable model of evolution that doesn't involves the endless mucking around of hoping that the offspring will be better.

Saya switching to germination tactics using part of the human genetic material collected from the only possible source, shows the capacity she has for biological adaptation in a single generation/individual, cementing further the hypothesis of Saya as a metaorganism.

>>2101561
The xenomorphs are also designed, and they only convert one creature at a time.

You're not answering the question of how something could have evolved from microbes to Saya purely by natural selection.

>This thread

>>2101574
You're postulating some kind of long term planning beyond evolution's greedy search. It's obvious what will win your pseudo-evolution contest, and it's called "cancer". This is no good for long term prospects.

anyone know how the main characters senses got so fucked up? was it from the car crash? And was it just coincidence that he would be able to see saya as a normal human with his condition?

>>2101591
Pretty sure it was coincidence.

>>2101588
ho ho, but it's balanced cancer, don't you see? A delicate balance achieved from multiple parties trying to get the most out of the body.
Which would explain in part why the other world is so fleshy. Tumors for all!

>>2101591
Would be awesome if Saya did it and her childish/feminine behaviour for the entire game was just her acting up to experience human relationships first hand to better analyze her target.

>>2101579
Mmm, its possible that her species didn't start as a microbe, but more like a fungus, or possibly even mutated from a humanoid species after some sort of large scale disease to which changed her species genome so radically they became more like virus than their previous humanoid species. Like a biological "hijacking" virus. Though I know that's pretty far fetched.

>>2101606
>>2101620
You Fail Biology Forever

>>2101631
The thread is about exobiology. You're going to have to think outside the box if you want to try to understand how it works.

Unless you're trying to be a stick in the mud by saying "LOL ITS IMPOSSIBLE", which sounds pretty redundant when we look at the source material we're discussing.

>>2101620
Since the VN hints about her being some sort of plant or fungus, thats not really a bad idea.

Alright, let's assemble our possible Saya facts.
1. She is an extraterrestial, possible extradimensional, entity that was engineered by a superior race.
2. She displays an innate aptitude for sciences, with little or no training.
3. She may be fungus-based.
4. She is incredibly resilient, immune to almost all damage. The environmental change she brings about is likewise extremely hardy.
5. She has green hair.

In conclusion, I present Saya's true form.

Saya getting owned was the greatest moment of the game. The rest was subpar.

>>2100129

good work /jp/.