/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Please read the OP.
Contribute with posts about various TM works, not just the newest Fate lore.
If you're an avid FGO fan and love to defend it, this thread may not be for you. Don't start arguments, or engage in them.
Avoid cluttering the thread with too much FGO discussion.

4chan has enough FGO generals. /tmg/ is NOT another one.

>>20943077
kys

@ardent_knight finished a full set of the Tsuki girls!

Um so the final fragment CD is scheduled at the end of summer this year.
Is there any chance that Nasu will make commentary about it? since it's going back to this script in the last volume.
If by sheer hope, Nasu continue writing his old fate into a book.

>>20945431
I really wish he'd finally write Prototype, but there's so many other projects on his plate at the moment.
Hopefully we'll at least get a Fragments anime for next year.

>>20945431
I just hope it come the sooner the better, so it can clear the mess that FGO shat on prototype.

>>20945584
What do you mean by that?

>>20945694
TM did a stealthy retcon without have announcement, but fgo player didn't care because they don't even know prototype exist.

>>20945694
Basically during last year White Day, FGO erased Ayaka's presence from Arthur's last bond line. It's literally brainwashing a servant to encourage FGO fujos to buy his merch (which they flood in on the market within one year.)

>>20945840
The nips do know apparently, but the vastly majority of FGO fans drowned out the complains. TMfans were furious, and tried to witch hunt Sakurai. Few of them even quit FGO.
Of course we never got the answer, but it was obvious that they intended to do this silently by using Prototype's low presence in TM.

the different writers can't even decide between themselves how servant memory works.

How does saber not get fat as fuck

>>20946032
the food feeds her mana stores and she spends tons of mana just by existing

>>20943077
Thank you, Sensei.

>>20946032
She has three stomachs, like a real dragon.

So this answers the argument yesterday.

>saber: go the pool, teach her how to swim, have some fun with the bros and then go home
>sakura: gets right down to business, wastes no time stripping down for senpai, makes out with him in the pool, they go home and probably fuck
>rin: acts like a sperg, forces you to swear eternal loyalty to her just to be able to see her in a swimsuit, spend the rest of the time being her dog, rider shows up and steals shirou's boner, they both spaghetti way too hard for any actual romance to develop

Rinfags, what is the actual appeal?

>>20946190
Rinfags are submissive femdomfags, who would rather serve her than have fun with cuter/hotter girls.

>>20946207
It's not like I hate Rin, but the gap from friendship to romance would take a certain level of femdom that I can't believe the majority of people who play these games have.

>>20946237
Usually the fun with tsunderes is breaking them out of their shell but the problem is that shirou is the type who will completely comply with all her bullshit anyways so the romance has no chemistry at all outside of that. It's why rin x archer is so popular, because archer gives all that shit right back to her.

>>20943077
>Contribute with posts about various TM works, not just the newest Fate lore.
The Starlit Marmalade manga is fun.

>>20946393
Is it? Seems like it was very short-lived, might try reading it to help study Japanese.

>>20945890
Damn, that's pretty fucked up.

Put the crystalized lore in the bag and nobody gets hurt.

>>20946438
His bond CE is still Ayaka's Garden though. Ends up just looking like a half-assed attempt to boost his popularity.

>>20946409
It depends on whether you liked the original drama cd or not. The manga itself is nothing special, just more of my favorite characters.
Mahotsukai no Hako isn't very popular in general and is almost dead now. Only Comptiq still publishes single 4koma strips every issue or so drawn by the HibiChika Time mangaka.

>>20946032

>>20946527
Sakura's dream

>>20946438
they do stuff like that all the time and it really bothers me.

like, nasu went out of his way to clarify that that FGO bridal nero has a thing for the FGO-protag instead of hakuno because she never met him before putting her in the game.

that whole outfit comes from CCC where she was stuck in that fucking shithole with hakuno. If I remember correctly to have her head-veil show up you have to bond with her and go out of your way to find a missable item.

why is nasu putting that into FGO with it's meaning inverted? because it looks good? he literally just writes "alternate universe lol" and calls it a day.

A collection of various TM related audio materials. Soundtracks, songs, audio dramas, radio shows etc. Looks pretty complete. Some stuff I haven't seen anywhere else.
Stolen from chinks so only a Baidu link.
https://pan.baidu.com/s/1UOfiAgB72AIDpXMLtWVpsA
pass: 8gjk

>>20946594
Shit like this pisses me off because it's the worst kind of pandering possible. Taking established characters with relationships we care for and putting them in a position to essentially be exploited by self-insert shitters is pure faggotry. The excuse for it is always flimsy as well. "Oh, it's just an alternative personality." "Oh, it's just an alternative universe version of the character." It's so transparent.

>>20946665
To be somewhat fair, Hakuno is basically a self insert himself and Nero is a canonical whore. Unless they retconned that last part when I wasn't looking

>>20946680
I won't say hakuno isn't a self-insert because he pretty much is, but nasu went out of his way in CCC to give him several scenes that actually have personality. It's certainly more than guda just because you can actually read his thoughts. the outfit doesn't even make any fucking sense with the bullshit he wrote, because it's restriction gear made to fuck over the servants in CCC. and the absolute worst thing is that he's fully aware of this in his blogpost and just jokes around about it.

A conclusion to the Sakura-fish story.

>>20946735
Yeah I do agree he's more of a character overall than Guda and it's just shitty nonsensical pandering overall. Characters become a whole lot less special when you can just "alternative universe lol" to everything about them; why should we care about this character and their relationships, their drama, their hardships, etc. when there's a million versions of them out there? The resolution of such drama and the relationships therein lose a lot of its weight if there's just numerous versions of her flying around and before anyone says this was an issue before FGO, I actually agree. These elements of alternatives have never sat well with me because it's just so lazy and, most importantly, degrading. FGO just happens to take these facets to its logical conclusion and implements it wholesale in bad fashion.

Dullahan said it best:
>First of all the unprecedented expansion of the database, compartmentalisation, modularisation of characters
>and second of all – and this is corollary to the first – the degree to which the internal fantasy realms of schizoid types have been colonised by the database
>let us not believe this is anything other than the apotheosis of consumer choice
>don't like her design? her personality? manner of speaking? the length of her hair? is she married in canon and thus unavailable?
>don't worry anon
>we'll make another version of her with the necessary adjustments
>precisely because, as modularised components, characters are now things you can just fork off another version of – eg ALTERS – when you need
>for a nominal fee, of course – even if F2Pers only invest their time, that's still opportunity cost

>>20946769
I hope she sucked the head at least, it's a waste otherwise

>>20946660
Thank you for the link anon
Have a loli Arc

>>20946802
I imagine she sucked it until it got weird.

>>20946461
Thanks Anne & Mary by blurting that out you have alerted Blackbeard to our location!

>>20946438
yeah but this is not the saddest part, Fragment or Prototype in general lacks representative fans. It has a large amount of follower, but most of them are FGO convert who are just there for prototype characters (or servants to be specific) and not prototype itself. One of the reason they were able to walk free from this retcon is that most of FGO fans don't give a shit about prototype. Rather than getting mad at it, most of them actually celebrated it. DW know that Arthur sell and not his show, thus proceeding to sell him with further Otome bait event, cheap idol lines etc, while neglecting everything that is prototype. He's been in the game for two years and he has not have a single conversation with Proto-Cu.

Almost every loyal Arthur fans/artist I see on twitter blatantly ignores Ayaka. Some do acknowledge that Fragment exist, but none of them will bat an eye on the main prototype, not a single retweet or like about it. The only people I see who do care about prototype contents are ones who actually followed fragment/prototype before FGO. It's quite depressing to see how bad of a damaged IP of the old Fate is.

>>20946790
I can't believe you guys still read that. Thanks all the same.

>>20946888
I honestly think this is the biggest problem TM will have to face if they really plan to go through with ending FGO.

the gigantic FGO fanbase only really cares about FGO. you have millions of players who honestly don't care about anything else, only a small percentage does. sales numbers of media that has been released post-fgo reflects this.

Favorite Nasuverse ability?

>>20946918
Mystic Eyes of Death Perception will always be the coolest thing and I will never think otherwise.

Is there a universe where Hot Wheels doesn't suffer?

>>20946974
Apoc and FGO ? There is only one HGW in FGO (Fuyuki 2004) but there's a chance that Kayneth participated in that HGW and was killed by Marisbilly lol. We haven't known anything about the masters in GO HGW anyway

>>20946989
He loses his title to Waver in Apocrypha.

>>20946918
Its just so damn flashy and despair inducing if you're on the wrong side of it.

>>20946993
Ah crap i forgot about it. So FGO and maybe Tsukihime ?

Have you guys read the requiem?
Is it any good?

>>20947033
only one volume is out, so I won't even start right now. especially knowing how TM can fuck up release dates.

Why do we have a new thread ?
Was the previous one that much dead ?

>>20947355
it fell off page 10, duh

>>20947374
not enough FGO discussion

>>20947384
It's isn't /vg/ here a thread die around 350 posts

best f/go waifu?

>>20947437
me

>>20945890
His bond ce is still about Ayaka and I have RARELY seen art with him and any Guda. I feel is Aniplex trying to push him but he is not regarded as a love interest.

I don't understand this image.

>>20946660
The hoarder in me wants all those missing Drama CDs and Talks which I'm never going to listen, but the sheer volume of them all and slow Baidu speeds are really discouraging.

>>20947687
Not him but i think that's because they focus on the male self insert instead. As far as i know, self insert fangirl dont just limit themselves to female protag. There's a specific label for these people and they're called 夢女子, they're fans who idolize a character regardless of anyform as long as it is just that character alone. Of course they acknowledge Ayaka but instead deny her, using the male guda is just more convenient to shield themselves from backlash. It's the same reason as how Dante is so shippable to both male and female because of mutual agreement. They dont just exist in fgo fandom, they're also in shows like detective conan, inazuma, osomatsu etc. The point here is that there are always alternative to fangirl around the canon wall. I know for sure the biggest Arthur fujos, Ketten for example, like and retweet a shit load of guda x arthur fanarts despise while saying that she would love to draw ayaka which she never did.

>>20948453
Fanart of the HF collab with a gacha game, The Battle Cats.

All of those are units from the collab.

Will I like FSN if I liked Tsukihime ?
I heard about it a lot but the setting with th whole servants thing doesn't really appeal me.
Is Shirou an interesting mc ?
Are the girls route interesting ?
Does it have a main route ? A la Rewrite

>>20949489
>Will I like FSN if I liked Tsukihime ?
> I heard about it a lot but the setting with th whole servants thing doesn't really appeal me.
I remember thinking the same thing way back, but I found it enjoyable.

>Is Shirou an interesting mc ?
Yes.
>Are the girls route interesting ?
Yes.
>Does it have a main route ? A la Rewrite
No.

>>20949462
Wow, I didn't expect an answer, I thought it was just intentionally weird art.

>>20949489
Maybe. Shirou is a very good MC, though you might start off hating him, he goes through some great development through the 3 routes. Very different from Shiki though.
There are 3 completely different routes that you have to do in order. Keep in mind that the first is quite exposition-heavy and has a lot of SoL, doesn't reach the same heights as the other two.

>>20947687
anon, on CBC, they gave him a stealthy "Let's get married" line. Then after that, they opened a cafe with him as the main host with more otome lines. Even this CBC, a physical hotel event also features him. Those along enough to motivate girls to buy his merch. You can say that his Bond CE has a stronger canon representation, but let's look at the fact here, that CE is 2 years old and they have not done anything related to Prototype beside wanking him with OOC shits and unrelated product placement. Your strongest defend here is that, they are not canon, and his story allude that he is not involved in any of them. Frankly, FGO fans don't care about that, they can just walk free as long as they get their monthly pander. You see, Prototype doesn't exist yet, that's why it's so dangerous that they could change the IP perspective from the influence of the market alone.

>>20949489
>Will I like FSN if I liked Tsukihime
Almost assuredly, but what you get out of it might vary. I find that people who enjoyed the near side routes tend to enjoy Fate and UBW, and people who enjoyed the far side tend to enjoy Heaven's feel.
>Servants
Not nearly as all-consuming as modern type moon has them be, FSN is about the struggles of the different masters, at its core. All the servants are interesting outside of their chuuni abilities and the interactions are varied and nuanced.
>Are the girls routes interesting
You may like the girls themselves, but for the most part the romance is probably one of the worst aspects of the VN. Personally I think Heaven's Feel had a good, non-forced romance but as for Fate and UBW it's going to feel much more shoehorned than the romance in Tsukihime.
>Does it have a main route?
True ending is heaven's feel, you will be playing it after Fate and UBW.

>>20949489
>>20949842
Oh yeah and as for shirou

He's the complete polar opposite of Shiki. If you want an MC who's more proactive, you'll like him. If you wanted Shiki to actually work for his powers, you'll like him. If you enjoy the practical and manly types over the distant and spaced out types, you'll like him. At a first glance he'll probably look like an irredeemable self insert but as you get into the deeper route territory he really comes into his own.

>>20949842
>True ending is heaven's feel, you will be playing it after Fate and UBW.

I find it interesting that it's always with HF that people have to insert their personal biases into things. I've been interested in this franchise for years, but with no other route do I see such an effort to make it seem more 'canon' or 'important' than the other. It comes off as defensive and overcompensating.

>>20949940
It gives you by far the most well-rounded understanding of the events surrounding the holy grail war between all three routes so I consider it as such because it is the finale that ties up the most threads. Whether it's canon or not doesn't really matter especially since none of the FSN routes actually got a direct sequel with the alternate timelines bullshit.

>>20949850
It never occurred to me that Shiki is a spacy person, despite that the game flat out tells you. Thinking about it now, he's really easily captivated by things and often drawn to the past; this is also true for Shirou, but Shiki rarely snaps back to chores or such in comparison.

>>20949965
I got the impression that he was rather indecisive. Shirou was more of an "act first - think later" kind of guy, willing to take lots of punishment to get stuff done, but Shiki had a natural fear (a grounded one at least) that he would literally turn into another being entirely if he went down certain paths so there ends up being a lot of points in the story where he's just wasting time considering options and keeping everything to himself.

>>20949950
You can certainly like it the most, but the very concept of the Nasuverse works off of a kaleidoscope- splintering ideas which don't inherently have a true path.

The entire 'route war' that's enveloped this fandom since its inception feels really self-defeating. Why would any sensible person want one route to be more important or canon than another? You as a reader invested yourself in them, did you not? But I've had actual conversations with people who insist only HF matters. It's baffling. Why would you take pride in saying 500000 words you read 'didn't count'?

>>20949984
>the very concept of the Nasuverse works off of a kaleidoscope- splintering ideas which don't inherently have a true path.
Yeah and now we have Quantum Time-Lock and the Trunk/Primary Branch

Thank you very much for your answers, I'll take them in consideration. I'll wait a few days more and will got into it. I'm still listening to tsukihime ost for now, I need to let it go haha.

me when tsukihime remake comes out

>>20951004
There won't be any of your bones left by then

>>20950106
What the fuck is that?

>>20949984
It's mostly just UBW vs HF. No one likes the Fate route

>>20949305
>>20949825
He's displayed as clueless or pushed to do that, though by Da Vinci or Merlin. My point is that while they do push him, the fans don't really like Arthur for Guda(s), he rarely gets fanart with them in a romantic sense. He's liked and bought for but he's not seen as a love interest by the own fanbase they are trying to cater. See this as an example. His intro quest to FGO is that he's doing to protect Ayaka and he only actually serves Guda out because Guda is important to Roman.

>>20951854
For good reason. I'd be interested to see Nasu's reinterpretation of the Fate route. I remember he said in an interview he wanted to remove Shirou's train of thought about why Saber shouldn't fight

>>20952009
I remember reading an interview where nasu said he was involved of a lot of stuff the DEEN anime did. so he already made an attempt as early as 2006.

>>20950147
If you like Tsukihime's OST there is a little Easter egg whenever the cast is watching TV. Just listen closely.

>>20952036
Shoving the routes into one probably wasn't his goal. If Ufotable ever got around to remaking it I think we'd see some much needed exposition cuts, at the very least.

Man Caren sure is pretentious as fuck. Kirei had the same habit of talking down to people but considering he believed that he was the most vile human on the planet it was all tongue in cheek. Meanwhile Caren's just a cold bitch about it and I'm supposed to also feel sorry for her since she's a demon cumdoll. Yeah fuck that, Nasu real christians are actually warm people sometimes, you know that right.

>>20950147
Just a heads up though, the version linked in the first post is no longer the newest version

>>20952380
So that explains this

One week before we get absolute kino back on the menu, boys!

>>20952961
Huh, did I miss something? What's coming in a week?

>>20952974
Heaven's Feel Part 2 premiere on March 14th in North America.

>>20952986
Oh. Enjoy it, I really loved the camrip.
Someone else already posted about watching this in theaters, so I though it might already be in the US.

>>20952991
Haven't seen the camrip yet, but I wonder if the NA release will be censored in any way.

>>20952991
He must have seen the L.A. premiere in that case. Hopefully the theater I'll be attending won't be sperging as much as the L.A. one did.

>>20951816
Introduced in Extella. The universe has a feature where, once in a while, it will assess all the timelines, create a "Quantum Time Lock" and from that point, permanently delete any timelines with foreseeable "dead ends" to save energy.

Trunk is (I think) the main set of "good" timelines that all lead to prosperity for humanity.

>>20953008
>main set of "good" timelines
Main set of "safe" timelines is more accurate i think. Basically Trunk is the the confirmed pathways of Panhuman History

>>20953008
>>20953028
I hate this shit on so many levels, honestly.

>>20953062
You don't have to tell it every single time the topic of QTL comes up.

>>20953008
Quantum Time Lock is called Humanity Foundation in the Mage world if you don't want to use the sci-fi garbage word. FGO does expand a bit on them and how they have different values.

>>20952380
What's the good one then ?
I can go with a little outdated version anyway, it's not a problem, but thanks!

>>20953747
Nice

How could shota Gil be so wise while adult Gil is such a dumbass?

>>20955649
They deserve more porn together.

If she's Rani VIII does that mean there was a Rani I through Rani VII?

>>20955852
I always figured that was the implication, with being a homunculus and all. Really wish Rani got more time and characterization in Extra, rather than being put constantly on the same footing as (or bellow) Rin, who already had a whole VN to herself.

>>20955128
He wasn't corrupted by the grail

>>20955914
Being "corrupted by the Grail" never affected Gil at all.

Sorry literally 2 INT here was avenger’s meeting with caren on the last day actually this rape scene everyone is talking about? All I got was that one cg of avenger biting her neck.

>>20956006
Vita version changes the consensual rape into bloodsucking.

>>20955128
Because Gil is only situationaly retarded for the sake of plot convenience. It's especially funny going back to SN after more than a decade of Gilwank from Nasu.

>>20955852
Probably not i think. Her mats only said:
>Rani the Eighth signifies “the eighth woman.”
Also speaking of Rani, is the Hermes at her core relevant to the Hermes in Melty Blood ? And why does she share the same face with Chen Gong and Diao Chan ?

>>20956041
What a disgusting woman, I feel like Nasu’s guiltiest pleasure is in writing monstrosities like that

>>20943067
what would a date with mordred be like

>>20956619
Not sure, let me ask her friend.

>>20953062
Why? I think the concept is good and makes sense. Dead timelines will be pruned

>>20957518
Not him but I hate how dependent on humanity it is. What's the issue with just having infinite timelines? A multiverse having "limited energy" is a retarded concept.

>>20957518
I don't understand why an infinite source of energy would need to worry about conserving it.

>>20957534
nasu doesn't think of there being infinte energy.

personally I hate it because it ruins the impact of actions characters take.

to me, multiverses are about everything being possible in theory. a random action one dude makes could lead his world down an entirely different path, be it good or bad. nasu is basically saying: "yeah sure, but if things get really fucked the timeline just gets trashed." this makes me not care about any timelines that DON'T get trashed, because is free will even a thing when the universe essentially forces everyone down a path?

I'm fully aware this shit is all a play on stuff like VN bad-ends, but I still don't like it. half of what makes a lot of VN bad-ends interesting to me in the first place is thinking about how the world will continue on afterwards. I'm not upset because I can't continue reading, I'm upset because things are going to be fucked now.

So I finally finished reading the first seven Kara no Kyoukai novels. When is the appropriate time to read the "extra chorus" manga? After Future Gospel or before it? Or maybe even after The Garden of Oblivion?

>>20958000
Extra Chorus are little stories that happen throughout the main series. Read whenever.

>>20957531
Nasu needs it for Lostbelt anon, please understand

>>20958655
It's pure coincidence that nasu had two decades to bring the concept up and only does so right as fgo needs a new story arc.

those two things aren't connected at all. totally unrelated.

>>20958708
Quantum Time-Lock/Human Order Foundation concept has just been developed and used as the main "theme" since Extella and GO though ? It wasn't a big thing before.
Btw Nasu has started working on GO since 2013.

>>20958761
The ideas behind it though go back to before development of Apoc though.

>>20958761
that post was sarcasm if you couldn't tell

>>20958789
looks like someone forgot to do the calculations there!

Seeing artwork of Arcueid brightens my day up every time without fail; I hope seeing your favorite girl makes you feel the same, /tmg/.

>>20959681
It does.
But it is double edged as you also naturally become defensive of them.

>>20959681
My favorite girl is Akiha and unfortunately she doesn't get too much good artwork. Sad.

Bigger version of that Chibichuki drawing.
Curry du Marche in the background.

>>20959906
Is the background guy supposed to be called "market's curry" ?

>>20949984
>>20951854
I actually only read the Fate route, just by chance and by being a bit burned out afterwards.

>>20959928
He's the Indian Dead Apostles who gave Ciel an obsession with curry. His ultimate goal is to make human blood taste like curry.
Probably, ask Nasu.

Not into GO, but this saber version is very cute.

>>20960745
That's kuudere ayylmao saber alter.

Ryougi is cute! CUTE!!

What are Fate/ works that shift focus away from the Holy Grail and servant stuff? I'm interested in the clock tower and their relationship with the church, the grand mage families, etc

>>20961889
Lord El-Melloi II Case Files

>>20960795
>kuudere
>ayylmao
Two of my favourite things

>>20961889
Case Files is exactly what you want, and it's the best Type-Moon thing in years.

So, what's going to happen in this volume?

>>20962671
Oh fuck, is it finally happening?
Police boys getting spotlight is pretty awesome.
I have a feeling they're all gonna get wiped out and Orlando will be the sole survivor. Wonder if Dumas will betray Orlando.

>>20962760
Dumas is definitely betraying Orlando. But Clan Calatin will (mostly) survive, maybe only four of them to become the new Three Musketeers (+D'Artagnan). I doubt Orlando will survive many more volumes, his character doesn't have much going on.

>>20962773
Why do you think Dumas will betray Orlando? Whose side would he be switching to?

>>20962896
His own. He will make the armless Clan Calatin (John something) dude his new protagonist (I bet he's the blonde blue eyed guy on the cover). He'd be forming a new contract with one of the Clan Calatin people. Considering his information network, he may know of the mafia dude's mana crystal storage too so he might not even need them for that.
As to why, possibly to just get a good story, or to fulfill whatever his wish may be. Probably incarnation so he can go around enjoying life again.

>>20962910
Interesting. I feel like it's been so long since the last volume, that I've forgotten a lot of the smaller billion of plot threads SF had going on.

>>20962916
I reread them last month, so I feel somewhat up to date.
Other plot threads: Gugalanna entering the picture led by evil Ishtar, Francesca summoning herself(male) and having nefarious plans, Jester wanting to revive ORT, St. Germain setting up everything about the war with his time travel abilities, whatever the fuck is going on with Sigma becoming True Lancer and Watcher, Alcides taking From Hell from Jack, Pale Rider infecting 800,000 people of Snowfield and the Counter Force possibly getting involved, Enkidu's master is still a literal wolf, True Berserker being a massive robot spider Edison

and probably 50 other plot threads I just forgot about because there's so fucking many, holy shit Narita calm down you don't need to reference every single TM work. I'm betting there's a Notes reference soon.

>>20962931
All the stuff you listed I still remember, so I guess it's not that bad.
I think Jester has completely abandoned his ORT goal unfortunately. Look forward to him and more references to DAA though (like Night of Wallachia last volume). Also hope he meets Richard so they can talk about Nrvnqsr.
St. Germain was the biggest "what the FUCK" moment in FSF so far, really curious what Narita has planned with that. Same with Sigma, wherever they're going with it is a complete mystery.

>>20962945
As long as Sigma doesn't end up being another Sieg I'll probably be okay with it. SF has so many things going for itself that even if half the storylines end up disappointing I'll still love it.
Richard and Fake Assassin are obviously going to have to team up against Jester at some point, but probably not this volume

I'm kinda hoping Waver will be able to get on-site, but I doubt it

the flat snark "fight" in mahoyo got me more pumped than anything they released since F/SN. It's honestly hard to believe TM made something like that as late as 2012 and then just lost their way.

or maybe they found their way going by how much money they're making.

>>20963028
Stop making me hyped to read that anon, I can't get the motivation to keep studying JP and it'd take me many months to be able to read Mahoyo anyway...
You're right though, they started getting lazy and producing trash, and the legion of new fans seems perfectly happy with just that.

>>20963066
Aoko a qt!

Is there some sort of list of common Kanji to type-moon so I can focus on learning them to jump straight away into raws and Mahoyo and maybe help with the translation cause there are 2.000 of those runes

>>20963430
wouldn't work anyway because you'd be missing all grammar.

>>20963028
Their main issue could be resting on their laurels.
There isn't enough project diversification within TM proper at this time.

Finished up HA, have a few questions if you all would be so kind
>Why did Angra Mainyu’s wish throw Bazett and him 6 months after the end of the hgw?
>What was Caren’s purpose in the city?
>Why were the monsters after Angra Mainyu?
>What made Angra Mainyu want to leave?

>>20963430
Kanji-wise Nasu usually is pretty normal, but sometimes he'll throw in a random, more obscure kanji or two. But really don't worry about it too much. Grammar is the main thing like this anon said. >>20963436

Oh shit. All TM references in Strange Fake so far.
https://twitter.com/TINAMILL3/status/1104157769672740865

>>20965160
This triggers the Nasu

New Case Files poster from TROYCA

>>20965464
but nasu encourages it

>>20966267
Nasu HATES it!

>>20966956
>>20966957
Wow, someone beat me to it.

>>20966956
>>20966957
Cute

chop

>>20965160
translation?

>>20968636
Why would someone translate that?
Just read the books lol

Witch wife

>>20970405
Oh, forgot pic

I’m having urges to play FGO again. Maybe it’s just consumerism and I just want to spend money and buy an account with the servants I want.

>>20970505
You shouldn't, but if you must at least don't support the game by spending money. I guess buying an account from someone else isn't supporting the game.

>>20970510
Yeah I wouldn’t spend money on those insanely low rates.

>>20963840

>Why did Angra Mainyu’s wish throw Bazett and him 6 months after the end of the hgw?

Taking a look at the wiki since it's been a while, apparently he didn't have to keep Bazett's consciousness alive before Caren found her. Take that with a grain of salt if you want to.

>What was Caren’s purpose in the city?

She was Kirei's replacement, so whatever churchy stuff he's usually supposed to do when there's no grail war going on.

>Why were the monsters after Angra Mainyu?

Their purpose is to continue the timeloop. Anyone going out at the end threatens to destabilize it, so they attack indiscriminately. Notice how no one is ever conscious at the moment it resets.

>What made Angra Mainyu want to leave?

The loop had served its purpose. Bazett was healed in the real world and selfishly reliving the same days isn't in his character. An important theme in HA, and KT if you ever read it, is the ultimate necessity of moving on.

>>20970505
fgo is only "worth" playing If you have really low standards for waifu-fagging, honestly. once you've fully upgraded all the characters you're really interested in there's basicially no reason to play the game anymore. gacha currency and upgrade materials keep piling up as you hope they'll manage to release another character you can give a shit about.

>>20970553
pretty much this, honestly even insofar as the design game is concerned i only like a handful of servants

i wish Nito actually got into a good game, she's mad cute

>>20970553
Also assuming you can even get that servant when it comes out.

>>20970598
I've seen people fail with 3000 SQ, it's a joke honestly. every other company implements a ceiling at some point that prevents the user form getting totally fucked over

>>20970505
Get the ripped sprites, watch your waifu's voice lines on youtube, and then once the urge to actually 'play' has dissipated, spend the money on something worthwhile.

Can I just run the Tsukihime game from the .exe on the .zip and play it like that after taking everything out of the file
I'm a caveman and bad with computers

>>20962140
>Case Files is exactly what you want, and it's the best Type-Moon thing in years.

Give me the run down on how Type-Moon lost their way.

>>20946790
Based, quads confirm:
>>185645555

>>20970736
>Can I just run the Tsukihime game from the .exe on the .zip and play it like that after taking everything out of the file

yes

>>20970552
>She was Kirei's replacement, so whatever churchy stuff he's usually supposed to do when there's no grail war going on.

Who was Kirei's replacement in FSN?

>>20970745
Nasu's expansion of Fate via Extra and Apoc have overall been mistakes.
The path since then has taken these bad traits and pushed them further and further.

>>20970745
he started focusing on the extraverse while allowing an gigantic wave of spinoffs.

then some dude from sony he knew approached him and said "dude, you're already whoring out your franchise to just about anybody already anyway, how about you help me out with making a mobile game?" and then he did and it's been making endless cash ever since. nasu spends most of his time on it because he has brain damage and is actually really invested in seeing it through to the end, when it really just should have been a quick cashgrab running in the background while TM makes actual novels or games.

>>20970552
It’s almost like the whole thing is a metaphor for the reading being unable to move on from the VN and find another series

>>20971438
All these years and I still can't let it go. Send help.

>>20955128
Because a cute shota ought to stay a cute shota. Nothing good comes of cute little boys growing up

>>20971438
Guess that means 99% of the people here haven't read HA considering they cannot move on.

>>20973486
But I read it and I still can't move on.

>>20973555
>>20972266

>finally get to rewatching KnK 7
>cry at how fucking perfect the ending is
God damn, I forgot how amazing the directing was in that movie.

>>20974656
>this is the end of Ryougi Shiki's story
>I've accepted my past self, and my current self

Same anon, it makes me so happy and sad. KnK is the best love story.

>>20974681
I finally started reading the books and have been rewatching the movies as I finish them. It's given me a brand new appreciation and perspective on the entire franchise. I really appreciate it so much more now.

Will there be a TM Ace this year?

>>20974749
There wasn't one last year, so I would hope so

>>20974709
That's not how she looks.

>>20974760
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
I WANT TO LICK AND KISS CIEL'S ABS

>>20974749
they just have chaldea ace now.

not like theres a point in having TM Ace anymore.

What are some good art books to look through?

>>20974881
fate complete material books are good
10th anniversary phantasm too

>>20974881
There should be a link with virtually every artbook and mat.

Is the original JP version of Angel Voice scanned online anywhere?

>>20946190
I generally like determined girls and I like that she actually supports Shirou's dream at the end of her route.

Also HA sex scene was super cute

>>20946660
how do i download? do i have to sign up?

>>20976030
I think you need an account and download through their program. Google instructions.

>>20976532
Cute Rani. Also i like the artstyle of this artist so much

I've seen people wondering if the holy scripture Triten (Hibiki's original form) is a girl or a boy. In the manga Triten clearly has boobs.

>>20977092
Is that Mashu, Olga, and FGO Sion?
Just kidding.

Playing HA right now, and it's really refreshing to see Sakura being really confident now that she's the captain of the Archery Club.

>>20974760
Would it be dangerous rub my face against these?

>>20974760
She doesnt look like that either

>>20977711
I enjoyed the sakura scenes but it not taking place after HF true ending sort of killed the value for me

It's their birthday in Japan!

>>20977911
I'm fine with the scenes not happening directly after HF since the way Sakura evolves in HA is quite close enough with how she would theoretically evolve in the HF timeline aside from the bits involving Shinji and Zouken since she killed both them.

>>20978139
What the fuck Nasu, that's a pretty fucked up detail to mention on their birthday

>>20978449
Damn he's so cool.

>>20978446
I want to save her...

>>20974656
What did Nasu mean by this?

>>20978738
It means rider has a nice butt.

God new Sion is an abortion, personality and design wise.
I know Takeuchi wanted to fit with her being a totally different character, and if he drew for the new Melty it'd be more in line with her real self, but holy FUCK I have no confidence in his skill nowadays. Her design in UNIST is perfection.
Speaking of Melty, anyone else concerned that a new Melty would require tremendous work just to re-create most of the old roster (which was already huge) in a new game, much less add new characters that deserve the spotlight? Feels like the roster of the inital release will be pretty gimped no matter what.

>>20978738
Is that the VN CG? How did you stretch it to that size

>>20979423
If Melty Blood HD ever comes out, it will be after the Tsukihime remake. So they have plenty of time to create all those sprites again. Someone fucking kill me.

>>20979508
I know what you're feeling, anon.
Every time I start thinking too much about Tsukihime, Mahoyo, and the current state of TM, it's like I get caught on a fucking swarm of "HOW DID IT GO SO WRONG"? How has TM in recent years disappointed me harder than any other developer of anything, ever?
It hurts, and it's impossible to just forget about it.

>>20979523
I used to think it was because nasu stopped writing most projects but even the stuff he's writing now is terrible, I doubt tsukihime remake will even be that good when it comes out. Sometimes I secretly hope Nasu will formally drop it.

>>20979559
I don't know man, I think Nasu still has some interesting ideas. We just haven't had a chance to see it applied to a VN/LN setting, which is what literally all of his good works are. He keeps getting muddled by shitty games, other authors, and Servant pandering.
My biggest fear though, is definitely that instead of embracing how different Tsukihime is from his recent stuff and making the Remake a throwback to that era, that he would re-mold it to fit his dumb new worldbuilding ideas and shitty storytelling.

Should I read Kagetsu Tohya with a walkthrough?

>>20979964
If you can find a walkthrough that actually goes through all scenes and doesn't just tell you how to reach the ending, then yeah, it's probably worth it.There's a lot of missable/optional stuff.

>>20979964
You'll need it. There's a good one on BL that includes almost every important scene.

>>20979964
KT is fucking impossible to complete without a walkthrough, honetly.

the gap between mahoyo and modern TM is so bizarre. did nasu finish writing it years prior or something? It's so different from anything he's done since extra, even though it released after.

>>20980298
Nasu did finish Mahoyo around 2010, it was heavily delayed due to Koyama having issues with the art, and I think the earthquake in 2011 also had some impact. So, it was done around the same time as Extra.
It does feel super displaced compared to all his other stuff in this decade, I guess he was able to embrace what made the original novel he wrote good, rather than trying something drastically different. Hope he can do the same with Mahoyo.

>>20980313
>Hope he can do the same with Mahoyo.
Sorry, I meant with the Tsukihime Remake.

>>20980316
I still have my doubts about tsukihime remake but I'm praying.

>>20980376
You'll be on the list then.

>>20979423
Honestly I'm happy for French Bread that UNIST is getting so much attention as of late I hope they get even more popular worldwide.

>>20980313
It would be nice if he could give a proper update about the development of it instead of going dead silent with the occasional passive "yeah it's still alive".

>>20977944
It's also mine too.
Glad to share it with them.

>>20982749
Happy birthday anon!

What makes him the most popular male character?

>>20983755
he had a whole-ass story about him and not just a blurb in a profile page

>>20983755
Most developed male character 2nd to Shirou, and unlike Shioru fujoshits can ship him with relative ease. I don't mean that to call people out for liking Archer, but rather that any fate characters popularity is usually heavily tied to shipper cancer/FGO

>>20984321
>Most developed male character 2nd to Shirou
I think that's Kirei. Anyway I see Archer more as an extension of Shirou for some reason.

>>20984342
Kirei doesn't get much outside of the original VN. Meanwhile Archer Emiya is featured in a good portion of side works.

>>20984350
>what is zero
The fujos went nuts over him and gil

>>20984321
Well Redman and Cu are the kings of BL.

Anons...

The Emiyas are actually the Razgriz legend
When history makes a great change (Holy Grail War) Razgriz reveals itself...
First, as a dark demon (Kiritsugu)
As a demon, it uses its power to rain death upon the land (Referring to 4th Holy Grail war and the Fuyuki fire), and then it dies.
However, after a period of slumber, Razgriz returns, this time, as a great hero. (Shirou)

What do you think, everyone?

>>20985032
I very much doubt Nasu had any of that in mind when creating those characters.
Neat parallel though.

>>20984321
But I liked archer before FGO.

>>20985032
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed strange parallels between these two of my favorite series. So, here another thing I noticed as well design-wise.
If only Pixy's red wing was on his left side, it would have been perfect...

>>20985032
Why do we suddenly have some many Fate posts in /aceg/ and Ace Combat posts in /tmg/

Ophelia is best Crypter.

>>20988932
Wrong
Ophelia is fucking dead
Meanwhile this guy will be shitposted about for years to come

Did anyone try the Ultimate Edition patch of FSN?
How is it?

>>20989073
As one of the testers on the project, there's a few unfortunate and kind of show-stopper bugs in the current version that makes it difficult for me to recommend at this time unless you know what you're doing and will keep tabs on future updates (I've already made my displeasure apparent to the devs that making the public release different from the final tested version is very much not wise and is pretty much why one of the bugs occurred at all).

In particular, for most people that aren't impatient I would at the very least recommend waiting for the next update (hopefully out by this weekend but like with many Nasuworks we could be waiting several times longer than that).

If you're curious, the two kind of show-stopper bugs are that DPI scaling greater than 100% makes the installer impossible to finish, and the Vita OP videos for UBW and HF are completely borked. Both issues can be worked around (temporarily set DPI to 100% or set compatibility to disable it, and to enable "skip in-game OPs"), but it's still not exactly great. It is considered a public beta however, so I guess it's to be expected that not everything will be perfect.

>>20988932
Meanwhile Hinako is the worst Crypter so far.
Speaking of which, i'm really curious about Kirsch and Daybit (no not because of those shitposts) and their LBs too. Pretty sure Kadoc will be the trump card of LB5 with his Great CS + being protected by Kirei. Beryl is going to meet his death in LB6 and i have no idea what will happen with Pepe in LB4. The final chapter will be relevant to Area 51 and that secret basement btw.

>>20984350
>>20984708
Adding to this, his presence(or lack thereof) in HA is a massive plot point and his daughter is the poster girl.

>>20989310
Pepe is likely not human. He knew what Hinako was and he was "born in the wrong era." Maybe he's some hindu avatar.

>>20990301
He also says he is a girl so chances are he is one of those indians that get cursed to be the opposite sex

>>20987804
Does Nasu remember her?

>>20990664
he dumped them all in a ditch.

>>20990335
>He also says he is a girl
Wait when did Pepe say that ?

>Pepe
dumb frogposters

>>20990664
Yes, of course!
Please look forward to her next cameo in Carnival Phantasm season 2.

>>20992529
*FGO Phantasm

What do you do when you open F/SN and this unreadable text pops up with an error?

>>20993354
Contact an african sorcerer who can exorcise my computer from his phone

>>20992916
*Prisma Phantasm

>>20993354 You could always try the (admittedly beta) ultimate edition as a work around.

...though the fact that you launched the HF EXE tells me that you're not just starting anew, which could be an issue considering that ultimate edition has the same route progression as the original 2004 version (that is, you can't access HF until you complete UBW which itself can't be accessed until you complete Fate)., and there is of course the two show-stopper bugs I previously mentioned in >>20989264 (see attached image for workarounds)

>>20974656
Still salty

Hey /tmg/, are there any English scans of the fate/complete art books? I bought the first three as a set when I was in Japan and they’re pretty neat, but I didn’t know two of them had been localized at the time and now I just want to be able to read the commentary and such.

I didn’t see them in the OP but perhaps I am just missing them

Thanks bros

How long will it take to finish all 3 routes for FSN?
I want to try finishing them all this week.

>>20997045
Unless you're a NEET and get really into it, that seems unlikely.
It's a 50+ hour VN. Don't remember exactly how long since it's been years, but it's pretty fucking long.
I recommend 1 route a week,

What a thoroughly vexing experience, my local showing for the Heaven's Feel film was absolutely obnoxious. People kept talking, clapping, and making comments like they're in mst3k. I loved the film, and while I have a few problems with it, the audience was the prime reason it was hard for me to enjoy my yearly venture to the theater.
>shinji got punched!!1! clapclapclapclap
>blood sucking clapclapclapclap
>sex scene clapclapclapclap
>I clapped when I recognized le yellow smug man

>>20997129
Are you fucking serious, anon? I hadn't heard about anyone having a bad time with this one yet, that really sucks.
Stuff like this makes me half glad that my country doesn't even get screenings, cause I'd be nervous as shit about a bad audience hampering my experience. Though that seems to be mostly an american problem.
People clapping at Gil is extra hilarious, because the same thing apparently happened in the 1st one. I don't know why secondaries love him so much, I hope they audibly gasped when he got chomped.

>>20997136
I am simply upset and astonished at peoples lack of both self awareness and respect for their fellow kino-goers. End of blog post, I'd rather talk about the movie. I felt it was quite lame with the lack of Kirei's explanation of Archer's arm, the cut from Archer removing his arm to Shirou at the front door was quite awkward; having a bit of pause while also giving Kirei more screen time is a wasted opportunity imo. Illya scenes were there, but the could have expounded on them more(Illya eavesdropping on Taiga was a good addition). The Saber Alter vs Herc fight was far too gratuitous and felt like wankery, the other fights were pretty good dare I say. The score felt phoned in and a bit lame compared to Kajiura's other work, I would have liked more rearranges of VN music especially during the rain scene. Many shots and scenes were pretty well put together, though I don't really have much of an eye for that if I'm being honest. Overall, I am pretty pleased with the film itself. That's just off the top of my head, I'm off to go drink and hopefully assuage my clap PTSD before this thread dies.

>>20997220
Yeah, that skip of Shirou getting the arm was easily what I liked least about the movie.
I love the original Illya/Taiga scene too.
Personally my favorite parts of the movie are the stuff with Archer right after the Berserker fight, him saving Illya/Shirou and then his sacrifice. The opening credits scene with shots of the city, and the ending with Dark Sakura are both pretty kino too.

I was gonna ask at the start of next thread what people's opinions were now that it's out in the US, but thanks for sharing already!

>>20997239
Archer tends to be based regardless of the route he's in, I'm very glad the original stuff like that is in general really well done and does a good job of reinforcing the ideas of the route. The scenes with Sakura going crazy stick out in my mind as being pretty good, I thought the dream sequence provided a nice juxtaposition with the scene after it. Framing disturbing things like that with childish or flowery imagery leaves a lot more to the imagination and I think it makes it more disturbing.

>>20997129
It was a decent showing over here, but there were a couple dumb fucks that couldn't keep it together whenever something sexual happened.

>>20992042
Pepe and Ophelia hang out because they are both "girls", and wanted Mashu to hang out to have a girl's night out. It's unclear if it's just typical Okama character or will be plot relevant (some goddesses or gods are born in the opposite gender before).