/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>20964782
dostedt

If you are having a hard time, just keep going. When you know Japanese you will be happy that you did. I believe in you

Why do I spend my time learning this language

Why do I spend so many hours memorizing pictograms

Why aren't I learning a more useful language like Spanish or French or even latin

>>20964822
>more
>useful
>language
the fuck u on about

>>20964822
If you need to ask, you don't want to and can't learn Japanese. But I guess you already knew that, eh?

Working thru the start of Baldr Sky on NG+ (i guess you could call it?) and I think I'm just gonna reread the whole common route while I'm at it. I can understand it a lot better and faster now, so I'm also picking up a lot of world building that I just flat out didn't understand the first time around. NG+2 and onward I'll skip stuff I've already read, but I think this is probably the right way to do this.

>>20964822
because being told "i love you, big brother" in spanish doesn't sound as cool as in japanese

>>20964828
out of all the posters that come here lately and test their mettle u are the one i see the most promise in

every time u advance the text just know my ghost hand is on the mouse or keyboard with u

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s3DL2wCMEk

>>20964828
By NG+ do you mean having finished all 6 routes and replaying it, or just doing the second route with Nanoha?

By the way, don't stress too much about the school memories part, because between routes 4 and 5 I believe a new menu appears where you can (and should) read the entire school part in sequence, now without anything missing. If you keep re-reading it every single time you will get sick of it by then.

>>20964846
While the bar's pretty fuckin low (feels like nobody here is actually reading anything but maybe they just feel like talking about that is "blogging") I appreciate that, boss.

>>20964847
Oh no, I just got レイン's normal end the other day and am starting 菜の葉's today. Thanks for letting me know about that ahead of time, though, that'll be cool.

>>20964871
Hope you like the combat system, because it's worth replaying every route until you get all the endings. They are all pretty different.

>>20964877
It's definitely one of the things I really enjoy about the game. Video games are why I started learning Japanese, so no complaints here (I sometimes see people complaining about VNs having gameplay elements, even being put off by them being there).

>>20964871
>feels like nobody here is actually reading anything
i had nothin to say about azanaeru, unred night was shit, started chronobox lol
youre prob doin better than me i post too much

>character is called ludvig (ルートヴィヒ)
>girl calls him lui as a nickname (ルーイ)
>translators translate it as Louie instead
why does this bother me?

>>20964939
Ley Line is translated? Since when? Also, why do you care about the translation or know what it's like?

>>20964944
>Ley Line is translated?
idk i was talking about interview with kaziklu bey
>Also, why do you care about the translation
don't know probably because i'm retarded
>know what it's like?
i saw a screenshot

furigana is terrible. I just started reading manga coming form vns. what percent of raws have that ridiculous furigana on every word.

>>20964939
Ah yes, it's been a whole five minutes since our last argument about localization vs translation.
Lui is not a real fucking name, Louie is.

>>20964994
NHKにようこそ has a shitton of furigana on every kanji. Even the simple ones like 見て have furigana on them

>>20965007
>Louie
it's an english name attributed to a german noble during ww2

自分になれない者は永遠に救われない。誰にも救われない者だ。もうひとりの君があったらきっと恥を隠すために他人の未来を崩すだろう。他人に心配をかけるかどうか構わんが、他人の未来ならどうだ。ここの貴様の人生は、どう思う。これだけで終わる人生。足りないではないか。時計の針のチクタクのように毎日を繰り返す。死に際までに。なぜ一歩ずつ歩むのか。なぜ飛ばないのか。なぜ自分にならないのか。一度も自分を理解できなかったことで生命が終わるだぞ。未来を変えるうちにここから脱出するがいい。本当の自分になれるところを探せ。運命を破壊せよ。迷うなよ。

My first time actually missing an entire thread does that count as progress

きょうのれんしゅうをしたひとだけが

あしたのれんしゅうをできる

がんばれおにいちゃん

>>20965112
only if you leave now

does anybody know where i can get that classic movie series called "Otoko wa tsurai yo?". I have been wanting to watch that classic.

>>20964871
Get the good end too.

>>20964994
Manga isn't reading buddy.

4ちゃん、こんにちは！このポストが初めてです。よろしくお願いします！

>>20965170
イート マイ シット

I like using really small fontsizes for english, but it becomes hard to read all of the 私はゲイ posts if I do. So I made this for my fellow dekinais.
https://ghostbin.com/paste/zcmz9/raw

>>20964782
CUTE boys. /DJT/ is well represented.

where the heck can i watch 苺ましまろ with japanese dub....

>次回は、注意して
Is this a non retarded way to say 'be careful next time'

処女を売る

>>20965454
Of course, this one is simple. When I want to answer a question like this, I put the phrase in quotes in to google. If at least 2000-10000 nips have typed it, depending on the length of the phrase, I'm convinced it's A-Okay. This particular one has 189,000 results. However, I myself can easily put together words that make sense on the surface, but no nip has ever typed them on the internets.

>>20965477
Yeah I tried that but I guess my search parameters were garbage because it kept coming up with indirect results. I figured it might be as simple as it looks but I'm still very inexperienced.

>>20965483
you gotta use these kinds of quotes "" not these 「」

>>20965483
Here's what I got. It's impolite if you don't add kudasai. 心配じゃないです (that's very bad)

>>20964822
Unlike in the case of Japanese, learning those languages don't unlock valuable works of culture to you, like for example Night Shift Nurses. Also, there isn't anything worth anyone's time written in those languages that hasn't already been translated to English.

Daily reminder that abruptly shortened structures almost always indicated a negative:

んなわけ　=　そんなわけない
では　=　ではない

>>20965647
>では　=　ではない
What? No. ではない　is the negative of である

>>20965679
I don't understand your objection.

>>20965693
では is not the same as ではない

Maybe you have heard a character saying では。。。！ and stopping before ending the sentence, which sometimes means they wanted to say ではない but were very surprised by something, but では is an actual word that means something different.

Aaaah why do 異体字, 略字 and especially 新字体 exist

>>20965721
That's what he said.

>>20965428
かえば？

>>20965428
かってもかくしといてね

みられるとやばいよ

>>20966002
いや、私女の人だから誰にも判断されないよ
(*´з`)

>>20965968
やった！アマゾンプライムの特典で見れそうです！嬉しい

>>20964822
European languages are similar enough to English that not as much meaning is lost in translation. You should never waste time with Spanish or French.

>>20964939
Uh no she calls him Louis.. The 長音 makes it much closer to Louis than Lui lol. ルーイ and Louis sound almost exactly the same.

Someone in HelloTalk corrected me when I wrote には and they put に instead, but I see には in literature and VNs all the time, what does this mean?

I wish Cure Dolly would go back to grammar

i wish cure dolly would bounce on my dick

>>20966261
probably that the way you used it was wrong, it's not like they're interchangeable

>>20965721
it's nothing to do with being surprised. you see it in formal writing and newspapers all the time as well, and では at the end of a sentence always means ではない or a similar expression like ではないのでしょうか

>>20966261
just because you see it all the time doesn't mean you used it the way it's supposed to be used. if you post your shitty sentence I can tell you why you used it wrong

>>20966261
maybe the thing u attached に to wasnt that important ?

how would one say "it's my world too"?
「私の世界もだよ」？ sounds weird to me

>>20966281
Maybe, from what I've read that expression is used in formal settings or to emphasize importance of what comes before. I said "私には" at the beginning of sentence so maybe I'm not important.

この世界も俺のものなんだぜ

>>20966297
ur gonna have to post the full shit for us 2 really help u cuz playing with particles by themselves is one of the few things more retarded than playing with flashcards

SHE DONE DID IT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEYp-_wp_VQ

>>20966299
いやそれはちょっと違う感じがしますけどｗ

なんか、他の人だけではなく、私もこの世界を楽しんだり探検したるする権利があるってこと伝いたいんですけど…

>>20966326
わしにもここにいる権利があるんだわ

>>20966319
in which dolly outs herself as being low IQ

>>20966319
jesus fucking christ how can you listen to this grating shit

私もこの世界に対する権利を保持します。

>>20966388
i mean dollys been standard djt uppercaser tier since the beginning its just somehow the single track grammar train vids werent terrible by some miraculous act of jesus

>>20966319
>that's why i'm able to teach japanese structure now
IT'S BEEN ALMOST THREE MONTHS. What does this video even accomplish? Why did she spend three months telling people how to learn Japaneses if everyone has to find a method that works for them?

>>20966319
any tl;dw?
this voice makes my head hurt

>>20966454
hurrr durrrrr bbeepp booop gold kokeshi

では、全員は出撃するぞ！

>>20966454
because she just says that AJATT is based on the premise that you can learn language like a child, but this isn't true because what children are doing when they're learning a language is learning how to conceptualise the entire world. whereas adult learners are just learning new labels for pre-conceptualised ideas. she says that in order for AJATT to work for you you need to have IQ basically and she doesn't.

>>20966478
ignore the 1st because idk how that got there

ajatt works as long as u make everything comprehensible

otherwise its a lot of wasted time and the guy watching a couple hours of eng subbed anime every is blowing by u

>>20965647
man negatives are hard in japanese. i'm never gonna learn it.

why are there so many programmers in matt's audience/discord?

>>20966496
how does english subbed anime help more than raw anime? seriously break it down.

>>20966509
They're not and that post you're quoting was mount stupid bullshit.

>>20966528
>that post you're quoting was mount stupid bullshit.
証明 it

It's probably not quite /djt/, but does anyone here use linux? Is there some secret magic I need to install to get shit to actually work nicely in a bilingual JP/EN environment?

I just want to fucking get linux to work nicely with Japanese, but everything seems like a pain in the ass and /g/ knows jack shit about Japanese. I've been finding zero support for making shit work, so I feel like I'm going to be forced to stick with windows or itoddlerbtfo if I want a *nix environment with proper Japanese support.

>>20966546
lmao get a load of this poindexter

>>20966518
cuz its actually raw anime with added comprehensibility

next question

nix fags suck dix

>>20966552
/djt/様、どうかお願いです。
日英リナックス環境の設定方法を教えてください・・・

>>20966559
あぁあああああ、糞マック買いたくない・・・

>>20966560
windowsをdual bootしろよバカやろ

>>20966546
What distro are you using? I forget what exactly you need to install, but it's on the Arch wiki

i can instantly recall the meaning of だけではなく in DOJG every time i see it but when i encountered this grammar point in the wild i actually didn't recognize until i looked it up.

>>20966539
It inferred a general rule that doesn't exist from a single expression.

こいつはバカだけではなく くずなんだ

>>20966589
this one is pretty self explanatory if you know what だけ and ではない mean separately tho...

>>20966570
>Dual boot for languages
No, that's retarded.
>>20966575
I've tried Manjaro, Solus, Mint, and Ubuntu. Ubuntu naturally was the most stable and brainlet friendly of the bunch.
>What distro are you using? I forget what exactly you need to install, but it's on the Arch wiki
Are you talking about ibus-mozc? I can get basic input working, but it's a gimped version without the user trained dictionary. Also, it's buggy.

>>20966608
yep. i simply didn't break it down like that in my head because of low IQ.

>>20966611
are you really in any position to call anything retarded nixtard who uses gui lol

i have arch running on my $100 dell laptop and it works fine in jp/eng, and im not even a nixtard the laptop was just too shitty to run anything else. i think the poster we are dealing with may be too retarded for unix

im actually surprised no ones told him to try installing genitalia

Anon, what's your MBTI type and how does that relate to your process of learning Japanese
https://jung.test.typologycentral.com

if you aint INFP please cease existing

>>20966696
INFP and I'm freaking good at japanese
I also speak chinese, french and spanish. If you are INFP you are gifted with language acquisition.

> You should never go against what your personal moral compass says, even if that goes against the commonly accepted morality of all of your close family and friends and anyone you respect.

Now I know why you people shit on each other so much.

i got ISTP idk how that relates

>>20964822
You already know English, the most useful language in the world. If you wanted to learn a language anywhere near as useful, you'd learn Chinese. But then you'd have the same problems AND you'd have to deal with soulless Chinks. At least with Nip you get to stay at the forefront of Isekai Kino.

>>20966546
Just get iBus Japanese input. Had it on Ubuntu ages ago, then on Debian, and now on Manjaro. 頑張れ

>>20966696
intj like every other pseud taking this scientifically bunk test.

take a big 5 personality test. differential psychology likes it almost as much as they like IQ.

INTJ here and I don't use anki. Grammar is easy but kanji is a bit difficult to me, but that just means I need to read more to recognize the pattern.

>>20966546
In Ubuntu: https://moritzmolch.com/2404

I also recommend changing the keymap so that it it switches between romaji and kana with Ctrl+Space (replace all Hankaku/Zenkaku shortkeys with Ctrl+Space).

>>20966696
ENTP and I don't even know Japanese, I just come here to shitpost. English isn't even my mother tongue. Introverts are 豆boys also

>>20965151
I can only find baidu links and a dead torrent on nyaa
http://www.vpanso.com/s?t=0&wd=%E5%AF%85%E6%AC%A1%E9%83%8E%E5%90%88%E6%88%90%E7%89%88

I guess you can also get it on Perfect Dark or asiandvdclub

>>20966747
this what jbp is always on about aint it

>>20966747
i am fucked

>>20966696
lol i took ur idiot test and here was my favorite question

>>20966319
She'd probably have a lot of subs if her voice wasn't fucked . I had to turn it off after 5Secs sounded like I could hear spit swishing around

>>20966747
>>20966771
>>20966775
Low emotional stability means you're an emo faggot. High emotional stability means you're an emotionless sociopath. High agreeableness means you give in when prompted to suck dick, low agreeableness means you're an edgelord and potential school shooter. High conscientiousness means you suck dick thoroughly and methodically, low conscientiousness means you suck it sloppily and lazily. Low intellect and imagination means you're an NPC. High intellect and imagination means you're a liar. High extroversion means you like to suck many different dicks, Low extroversion means you like to suck few dicks but dedicate more time to each one of them.

>>20966553
oooh i like the way you think

so what about in comparison to japanese subs?
eng sub > j sub?

that being said feel free 2 add these to my profile boys (1 of 2)

>>20966756
do lazy kanji

learn new word --> write it by radical while looking at it

2 of 2

I just noticed that I had to focus in order to understand ときいた correctly as と聞いた and not 時居た.
以上

>>20966747
Hmm

>>20966842
The second one is incorrect so you're never going to hear it.

>>20966832
i dont think its fair 2 compare them plus eng subs are still basically training wheels just for 10000 hours then u dont need them anymore and jp subs/no subs/dont look at the eng subs is the way 2 go

>>20966819
There's actually submeasures for each trait. So for example conscientiousness has an "organization" and "productivity" submeasure. You could score low in productivity but still score pretty well on conscientiousness if you're highly organized. Of course, conscientious people are still going to be both organized and productive on average.

Another example of a trait with different submeasures would be openness. You can be intellectually curious (pic related) but have no creativity whatsoever like myself and get an overall score in the middle. People high in openness tend to be more creative, but when you break down subscores you'll find a few exceptions like myself.

With low creativity and productiveness I could never learn Japanese. So I gave up.

あたしも

ばかで

ぐずだけど

にほんがすき

The fact that a lot of us are INFP makes sense kinda

Introverted - we spend our days alone trying to learn nihongo instead of socializing

iNtuition - we're motivated by the big picture, i.e. being able to speak/understand it fluently someday

Feeling - we mostly chose Nihongo because we think it's cool, not because it would be useful

>>20966934
>FiveThirtyEight staffers

I imagine they're all this kind of person

Tfw my mom tells everyone that I "know japanese"

When I really only know a few hundred kanji and have a sub-Genki tier understanding

>>20966987
why did you tell her you were learning

>>20966987
Wow that's great Anon, speak some Japanese for us!

>>20966990
She found my textbooks and practice papers

fwiw i took the personality tests for fun and laughs but the truth is i dont need a test to tell me how much i own

>>20966992
Ohio go ziemass, water she no name wah anon de Sue. Dozo yo row she cool oh niggashemass

>>20967003
oh joe zoo d`soo-nay

>>20966987
>>20966992
kek, now I'm imagining anon's getting paraded like a circus monkey during a family party and his relatives told him "speak some Japanese for us anon!".

all u gotta do is memorize 3 anime lines and u instantly win tho

>>20966799
The entire scene is fucked. Tae "grammatical subject is just a propaganda lie the government uses to turn the frogs gay" Kim is the go-to grammar guide for beginners.
If the android roleplayer wants to fix that I wish her a hearty 頑張れ.

>>20967021
You're basically fluent at that point

that ACATTer dude said he would read the transcripts of 3 minute cantonese dialog every day for months and that it took him 3-4 days to work through every 3-minute dialog. he improved a lot that way so i'm gonna do that with japanese drama CDs every day except maybe do 6 minutes.

god i'm a genius

>>20967024
>Tae "grammatical subject is just a propaganda lie the government uses to turn the frogs gay" Kim
Kinda crazy how many pseuds hate Kim for something so unimportant. Guess it's that redditor mentality of authority dick sucking.

>>20967038
u shouldnt even with w. drama cds and just watch more of ur 10000 hours of eng subbed anime

even tho anime is pretty shit visuals its still some visuals which is a important component to have if u r striving for max comprehensible input

>>20966319
She talks about AJATT but it's clear she's only looked at it superficially because she says things about it that are simply not true. She blathers about language acquisition but it's clear she's never read Krashen or Chomsky or any academic writing on the topic. Even played at double speed that was a waste of life.

>>20967048
that's true i guess i just like how drama CDs are designed such that if you feel like shit you can just lay in bed and listen whereas the visual component is almost necessary for anime

but i do have a bunch of subtitles for anime downloaded so i could work through those instead when i feel like it.

>>20967053
u say this but yet
<--

Is it normal for me to see kanji I've learned through mnemonics, but not immediately recognize them?

>>20967038
where did you find japanese drama cds with transcripts?

>>20967079
it shouldn't really be happening a lot but definitely something that happens. obv you dont have 100% retention rate

最初に毎日にアニメを見てVNをやったのに、最近アニメも日本のクソゲーもやる気があまりないけど。
でもこれまで習ったくせに、今頃に諦めるのはなんか嫌な感じがする。
どうすればいいのかな、諦めるまたはN1みたいなレベルまで勉強し続ける。。。。

ものを

>>20967066
Honestly you're right. Shit, I'm like an addict. Next time I feel the Dolly urge I need to turn to some more compelling Japanese content, even はなひらっ should do.

could u not post a pic of a chara that good w. a post that bad

plz delete thx in advance

when all you do is read for months and you're dreading the fact you're gonna have to start listening eventually if you wanna understand anime etc.

>>20967102
as long as you put in the hours you'll convert your reading knowledge to listening hours at a consistent pace. obv it'll still take hundreds of hours but you'll probably understand enough for it to be enjoyable after 50 or so

really? it's that rare? fuck this language.

>>20967113
cant believe ur still on about this m8

>>20967119
for now i look at it the same as i look at ただwordだけ. a weird sort of redundancy, or not redundancy, maybe just more emphatic. somehow. but it's very gay.

>>20967113
I wish there was a easy way to export all the text from vn's you've already read in such a clean way without all those special characters

>>20967126
*vns

>>20967132
if you mean stuff like [] you could probably google a regex command to throw into notepad++ to strip it.

>>20967079
Obviously. You learned them keyword > kanji so it takes some practice to get it readily available the other way around. Shouldn't be long though, more of a "Oh right it's that one" when you first learn a word with it.

>>20967079
it'll happen for a long time until you read enough (for months) unlike what those other two liars are trying to tell you. but that's also months of reviews to maintain so just keep that in mind.

>>20967139
There's a lot more to filter than just brackets. I'm not really versed with regex but I can try it.

とんでもないところに出ちゃう
i think the sentence means "unexpected point/place, [we/the user] would go to/appear."

it took me 5-10 minutes to figure this out. should i have kept reading and skipped it?

>>20967185
Have you considered looking up the unicode range of all Japanese characters, and filtering for that interval only?

How long does one need to be on djt before leaving it in order to learn Japanese? How long was it for you?

>>20967189
so that's how Japanese say "oops I came all over the keyboard"

>>20967194
too dumb to be real, but too persistent to be fake

>>20967111
Watch with subtitle. Don't try and read ahead and don't obsess over every word. You will notice your completely unaided listening skills go up despite the memes here

>>20967205
it's not real. it's some epic baiter. someone randomly asked about "him" and he magically by coincidence was in the thread and responded so that "his" response could get added to it.

just installed ankidroid to learn vocabulary
any app for learning grammar?

>>20967113
isn't this just the same as regular より in this context?

>>20967212
Even if it's fake, have you guys really a hard time beiliving some people can't learn Japanese even after 10 years of studying?

>>20967225
i don't have a hard time believing that. it's the meme+avatar responses and coincidence i pointed out that make it obvious it's some dumb fuck making up a fake story.

>>20967194
>fear to start reading after completing premade decks
He and I can't be the only ones who had to deal with this ... haha

>>20966979
coulda just said
feeling - dont think just feel

>>20966979
>Feeling - we mostly chose Nihongo because we think it's cool, not because it would be useful

I'm learning it so I can read my porn powerpoint and my light novels.

>>20967241
Anon what could possibly go wrong?
Even if it ends up being too hard and you stop it's still not wasted time since you practiced and learned new words.

>>20967257
his smile and innocence could be lost forever when he realizes 6000 flash cards in he didnt learn any nihongo

If I weren't learning Japanese you would all see me as scum and never wanna post in the same thread as me. But our interesting in learning Japanese binds us together.

>>20967207
it's not true. i watched hundreds of hours of stuff w/ japanese subs and i still couldnt understand anything at all without them. i had to watch without subs for hundreds of hours to fix it. stop spreading false information online or they'll have to deal with the same problem

Any of you fags get your jlpt certificate yet? Aren't they supposed to be sent out sometime this month?

>>20967123
im pretty sure this is basically what i said to u the first time you posted about this. you're never gonna learn japanese if you obsess about shit like this thinking you have to understand every single thing. shit like that is completely intuitive if you've already learned enough.

>>20967307
i'm probably just retarded but i don't remember if you specifically said that or if you were more vague about it. but i appreciate that you helped. i do spend too much time on stuff still because i feel like i need to comprehend it all but i'm trying to break that habit since kaufmann said vocabulary matters most, and the deeper meaning of things will be intuitively grasped in time.

>>20967312
yea i mean i had never seen よりから before that sentence was posted (because its extremely uncommon) and i instantly understood it's basically just for emphasis on distance and has no deeper meaning

>>20967189
'end up somewhere completely unthinkable'

probably

>>20967263
Read and watch animu concurrently. Then the flash cards are a way to learn nihongo. But it's better to mine the deck.

New Matt Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsdDrImkgtU
0:13 – Is it good to re-watch shows in active immersion?
4:48 – How do I know which MIA Stage I am at?
10:23 – Is “speak Japanese with ‘flat’ intonation” good advice?
18:03 – How would you go about learning programming?
22:18 – How you ever seen non-conformist Japanese people?
32:18 – Should I use pictures instead of English definitions?
38:11 – How much progress can I expect in a year?
40:22 – In the Perfectionist Path, when should I make the monolingual transition?
41:15 – What do you think about using Yomichan as a stand-alone dictionary?
43:21 – How has your meditation practice been going?
56:25 – Is learning to understand Kansai-ben difficult?
1:01:57 – Can you walk us through some monolingual definitions?

>>20967279
maybe you're simply retarded

uhhh i watched 苺ましまろ completely raw and i could understand like 95%

i feel like i got way more out of watching it that way than i would've with english subs or even j subs

with harder anime especially story driven complex shit, this likely would not be the case and i'd probably be better off with subs but the question is WHICH LANGUAGE OF SUBS

>>20967367
>stupid offtopic nonsense shit: 10 minutes each
>actual relevant questions: 2-5 minutes max
This kind of shit is why i know hes full of shit

if u have to ask its eng subs

>>20967372
with en subs you still have to hear the dialogue yourself so they may ironically be better
also jp subs are a pain to find and use, may as well roll with what you usually get in the package

>>20967376
>actual relevant questions: 2-5 minutes max
Most of those "relevant questions" have been answered a hundred times already. It seems that most people who ask questions have never even read the ajatt site or seen many of Matt's videos.
I'm kind of impressed that he has the patient to deal with these kinds of people.

>>20967367
>Should I use pictures instead of English definitions?
Didn't watch the video yet but I do this with 食品 and 食器

>>20967367
there is one and only one thing I would ever want to ask matt and that is how he can sleep at night knowing what he did to calvin

I have a question for anyone who's done both RTK 1 and 3

How much of the jinmeiyo are covered? I'd like to get uncommon name kanji under my belt sooner than later

>>20967371
no it's just that if you're focused on reading your brain switches off its active listening. and personally i can't watch something with subtitles without my brain zeroing in on them b/c it innately wants to have the comprehension that's granted by looking at the subs.

>>20967421
For you it was the day calvin died, for matt? It was Tuesday.

still lolling @ xiaovin lmao

>>20967412
they're unambiguously completely different words tho

>>20967434
learning the jinmeiyo isnt gonna help you read random names desu. ive done rtk1-3, have n1, and i still cant read 50% of names with any accuracy

>>20967449
Can you at least recognize the characters though?

>>20967367
>18:03 – How would you go about learning programming?
is he already vetted holy shit
>>20967437
imagine how many poor kids matt has seen fall in his discord
theres so much goin on that isnt on twitter and youtube

>>20967441
I used these words as categories btw. I mine stuff like 水羊羹 and 盃.

>>20966233
i disagree, mostly because french is useful in instances where a nip material has yet to be translated to english, and is often already translated to french, because the french love their manga. korean is also useful as another "in-between" language, but both french and korean don't really need much mastery beyond the intermediate level to be useful here.

>>20967475
if its for japanese media and ur not just learnin japanese what the fuck are u doin with ur life

Almost done with Genki.
I gotta say, after watching Matt's video on RTK and some others, I regret not staying on the standard anki , rtk and grammar guides. Could've been much faster.
I'll push through the end of Genki 2 now, and then play with the big boys.

>>20967457
yea but that's mostly unhelpful because it's not like you can go "ohh yeah that guys name is north twig 北条" or something. it doesnt help you actually read the name at all

You'd think that the Nips would've made a special fourth script for names only. That seems like something they would do.

>>20967113
lmao
唐揚げ

names should always be written in soosho

>>20967440
jamal did a good job with that honestly.

>>20967515
wasnt me

>>20964782
What's a good word for "inaccessible," as in "this in-game content is currently inaccessible?" Google-san and other sources keep giving me questionable results, like "that location is hard to reach," and I'm guessing that Japanese uses 2 different words for "location in real life that's hard to reach" versus "data that cannot be accessed right now, but will be accessible in the future"

>>20967506
lmao i didnt even notice thats hilarious

isn't it just とどかない

>>20967525
combine アクセス with what u learned from genki and u should be able to solve this

>>20967530
hes talking about data not ur dreams

>>20967531
アクセスできないことなんだけどね

I always get these 既視感s when watching matt's new videos. He always drops information that has been conveniently discussed lately on djt . Like the stuff about one dialect being able to distinguish between 'did' and 'doing'. Hhmm...

>>20967531
Yeah, Google also said "akusesu dekinai," but is that really correct? From what I've noticed, roughly 3 times out of 4 when Google throws a romajified word at me, as in this case where it's just the word "access" combined with "can't do," that's not what Japanese people actually tend to say. For example, if you ask Google what the best word to use for "sound" is, it might tell you "sa-u-n-do" even though I know from experience that Japs typically use "oto" instead. Is this one of those roughly 1 in 4 times where Google translate is actually right?

>>20967553
How about you just immerse and let your mind figure it out by itself?

>>20967560
Because I have no frame of reference for people using the specific word "access" nor "accessible" in Japanese, anon. I guess I'll just blindly trust the other posters and machine translators since I'm out of options.

>>20967553
theres nothing wrong with that dude if u want another word for it i suggest playing a console videogame that utilizes saving to external memory : )

>>20967565
why are you worrying about it

Is there a premade anki deck for common counters and their exception numbers?
I'd make it myself just wanted to ask
It's time for me to finally stop avoiding them and face counters head on.

>>20967113
>>20967506
I can't stop fucking laughing

>>20967584
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kcwg4oeS5w#t=31

>漂流物
wtf how I am supposed to learn this

>>20967640
u dont even have to. ive never seen that word and i understood what it meant and could pronounce it

prob read more innit

>>20967640
same >>20967643

>>20967640
漂流 is something you should learn by reading anything water related. (I did when I read one piece long ago, I think)

Kill yourself Jamal

based

i will if u do first i promise

cant we all get along

We're gonna need you to take one for the team, aniki. It's a small price to pay to get rid of Jamal forever. We won't forget you.

if u wont forget him is he really gone

i wonder what this place would be like without jamal.

why is it good to learn a kanji and have no associated Japanese word to it? Just the general meaning/keyword?
I don't understand. How does that help you read at all?

>>20967640
Now imagine being a poor little Nip and having to learn what the fuck flotsam is.

>>20967721
it helps you learn vocab, it doesn't necessarily help you read off the bat. it's much easier to learn vocab if you don't have to worry about keeping kanji and shit in your head at the same time, it's information overload at that point.

>>20967721
It prevents you from seeing kanji as just random squiggles, and be able to easily tell them apart from one another.
It doesn't help you read per say, but it makes it easier to learn how to read.

>>20967713
Slightly better.

>>20967721
its hypothetical bullshit that people like this eat right up >>20967734

>>20967734
>>20967739
So I'm supposed to have a mental and physical list of kanjis with their associated keyword/idea without having any clue about how they are actually read?
I heard very good things about mnemonics and rtk but I just don't understand how that will help..

>>20967713
We would all make it. He's the biggest roadblock to learning Japanese here. Proof: Japanese children don't have to interact with Jamal and most of them make it. Yet we have to see his dumbfuck posts everyday and nobody here makes it until they stop coming to these threads.

jamal is a positive force on this general is the reason this djt is better than the int one

>>20967759
just to add, I'm supposed to learn stuff like 羊 and associate it with the English word "sheep" but have no idea how to say sheep in Japanese?
I don't get it at all

>>20967760
ur right but for the wrong reasons
if he was gone i wouldnt be here and consequently id read more eroge

>>20967771
>ur
Kill yourself, Jamal.

Any good explanations for "さえ"?
I really don't get the full thing from Tae Kim's examples. They only seem to handle a small handful of use cases (almost always when it literally translates "even").

>>20967775
swing and a miss ace

>>20967775
i keep tryin to tell u scrubs he doublespaces but ur just too dumb to notice

>>20967777
hopefully this helps https://streamable.com/hlr5f

>>20967787
the way it ends while hes trailin off gets me every time

sentence cards or vocab cards? i'm torn guys

>>20967799
be ur own man for once
it doesnt make a fuckin difference cuz its not gonna be ur primary means of learnin unless ur fucked

>>20967787
The title once again holds the literal meaning of "even".
Almost every time I come across it while reading "even" just doesn't work whatsoever.

>>20967759
>>20967769
As someone who finished RTK, doesn't like it, but understands its pros and cons, I'm really confused as to what about RTK you're not understanding. You must be a real retard.

>>20967769
Could you please explain the method that you plan on using where you WON'T learn that 羊 means sheep?

>>20967777
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/grammar/dojg/dojgall.html#intermediate%E3%81%95%E3%81%88

>>20967815
post some shit for us then dude we need it else that 1 dude is just gonna tell me to kms every 5 mins

>>20967769
according to Heisig you're not supposed to associate the kanji with the keyword, you're only supposed to associate the keyword with the kanji, so sheep --> 羊
rtk is a tool to assist in handwriting, it does not teach you how to read a Japanese text

>>20967820
I mean, of course I will naturally learn that it means sheep regardless of the method, but rtk doesn't have the Japanese word for sheep. Am I just supposed to look at it out of context and say "sheep" in English? I just don't get the idea of not learning at least one reading

>>20967818
whats retarded about questioning the supposed benefits even though a cult following swears by them

>>20967733
as hard as the mythical ソーチー

>>20967837
What are you talking about? The hypothetical benefit is self explanatory even if you don't think it's worth it. You have to be a retard to have it explained to you and still claim you don't get it.

>>20967844
theres a difference between comprehending what youre told it does and understanding how that is a likely outcome

>>20967836
>I just don't get the idea of not learning at least one reading
You just had this explained to you:
>It prevents you from seeing kanji as just random squiggles, and be able to easily tell them apart from one another.
>it helps you learn vocab, it doesn't necessarily help you read off the bat. it's much easier to learn vocab if you don't have to worry about keeping kanji and shit in your head at the same time
Think it's dumb? I'd agree with you. No reason to mass learn the "meaning" of kanji without learning their readings because you have to delay reading actual Japanese for too long. Usually months and many, many hours. RTK is stupid.

But stop saying you don't get it. You do. Dumb fuck.

>>20967832
>rtk is a tool to assist in handwriting, it does not teach you how to read a Japanese text
this should be in the OP

>>20967836
So obviously you're not going to learn that at the same time, right? You need to learn that 羊 means sheep, and that ひつじ means sheep, two different bits of information.
What if you take a ten minute break in between? Does that still make sense?
How about an hour? You're getting lunch, does the information you learned on the kanji 羊 become useless?
How about a day? You learned 羊 at the end of the day, and ひつじ the next. Is the information you learned yesterday useless now?
How about a week? You went on vacation in between, but kept sure to stay up to date on your reviews so you still know exactly what 羊 means. Is that now useless information?
How about two months? That could be the time it takes between learning the kanji and learning the word if you're doing RTK. Is that stupid? If it is, where is the specific line?

>>20967866
>If it is, where is the specific line?
one second
next question

Oh boy, I wish people new how to actually take advantage of this great "kanji - keyword" resource.

NOT doing the way heiseg intended (because it's studid).
NOT doing lazy kanji... it seems even more stupid...

Again, I really wish people knew how to properly make use of it.

>>20967874
ill bite

>>20967879
pls do. I love it

>>20967852
So would doing rtk while reading furigana manga and grinding through that deck suffice?
The reason why I said I don't get it is because I'm supposed to just pick up on the readings without having them explained to me in any way shape or form in rtk.
It literally does the opposite of what I did until now, teaching me the kanji, and then how to say it, much later.
How would I, let's say, pick up on the fact that s車 is pronounced as しゃ in 電車 and くるま alone, if I don't even have the basic-est of understandings?
So the point is I learn the character and then when I learn the word 電車 I'd be like "ahh i see it's pronounced sha here"
What if we were talking about a character with a ton more readings than 車? What then?

>>20967866
how about learning both at the same time and using anki you can fail the card if you forget either one

>>20967884
You're not supposed to "study" the readings of individual kanji. Ever. Learn/look up words that use those kanji and you'll pick up on those readings over time.

>>20967367
why is this chucklefuck cheese crust being shilled here so hard? he is a god damn attention whoring pseudo-quack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDbHBdUi9bA

>>20967930
a few anons like to roleplay being a devout cultist cause they think its funny

im doing matt immersion i hit play and now I'm too lazy to scroll up and pause this guy fml

Where do I get working ps1 jpn iso?

>>20967938
embeds are a trap
>>20967966
the ez place pulled all their isos a few months ago
should have stocked up ur on ur own now

>>20967966
This site called "The Eye" is good for that

should be under roms->ps1

>>20967937
i don't do it because it's funny i do it because he knows what's best for us

>>20967988
the ps1 section is only 4.3G unfortunately.

>you can finish RTK in 3 months
Literally how? That's about 24-25 kanjis a day

>>20968004
Yea, that's how. Enjoy the 2-4 hours it'll take every day.

>>20968004
>>20968011
I did it like that. It works but it's also retarded as hell. Makes more sense to space things out and do other stuff in the meantime like already starting on vocab.

>>20967874
which

>>20968030
At this point I have no idea how to pace myself or if I should even bother with rtk at all, instead of kanji through vocab...

I was thinking of doing about 10-15 new words a day, a new lesson of rtk every 3 days so i can get to rehearse those, and the rest of the time spent reading manga.

>>20968091
just to add, this would mean rtk completion in roughly 5 or 6 months and about 1000 words every 3 months

>>20968091
You don't need to but I prefer learning a bunch of vocabulary sharing the same Kanji instead of learning vocabulary with any fucking Kanji at all. It makes it so much harder for me to remember anything about a word if I'm completely unfamiliar with the Kanji and if you add 20 words in a day, half of them 熟語 where you don't know either of the Kanji it really fucks me up.

Contrast this to vocabulary in which I am familiar with the Kanji involved, these take almost no effort at all.

>>20968095
You know who else set targets for himself and spent a lot of time planning out numbers months in advance? Calvin. And now he's dead. For his life not to have been in vain heed his warning. Pick up words as you encounter them. Don't count them. Don't plan. Worry about making input comprehensible and enjoyable, that's it, everything else will take care of itself.

i cant believe hes really dead

after he sees a fuckin therapist or somethin i hope he comes back a better man and learns nihongo without the cult
poor kid deserves it even if nihongo wasnt really his dream after all

most therapists are quacks too dude

he just needs to get off the internet and stop overloading his brain

>>20968157
he already started trashtalking ajatt/mia and matt months before he quit

>>20968160
ummmm links ??

>>20968163
i'm too lazy but someone can post the livestream where he talked to george about how ajatters/miaers are "cringy" and "think their way is the only way to learn". and he tweeted about how he encountered someone randomly on an italki or hellotalk forum talking about how ajatt is the only way to get fluent and it made him cringe.

dang calvin might have been cool he didnt have to die why oh why

>>20968171
did he say that cuz i always thought the tweet was some kinda omg dont talk about the fight club cringe

>>20964782
>reading in itself isn't just for comprehension
>it's for skill
Is this just word salad or does it actually mean something important?

>>20968181
it wasn't. he had a few other posts explicitly saying he was starting to hate a lot of ajatters for being cultists.

>>20964822
>aren't
you don't even know english

>>20967434
>>20967449
I imagine the only way to get good at bullshit names is literally to learn a deck of proper nouns including names, but even then there are some which have a few possibilities where "in reality" you'll have to ask someone to clarify.

And since there are many ways to write some of the names, you'll need a conversation to clarify which kanji they use. It's a mess. Have fun.

>>20967759
all explained https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgRte6oSoF8

>>20968183
hes tryin to say somethin like he cant read kanas very fast cause he didnt read more so he thinks that reading with no comprehension is still good to get them kanas down
>>20968185
he had even more potential than i thought and now hes gone

How to read 米? アメリカ? べい?
メートル and こめ, I'm not concerned with.

>>20968208
べい

>>20967759
Your brain has to connect things to remember them, the more abstract the concept the harder it is to get it into mentalese, mnemonics are a cheat to build synaptic bridges in your brain. Your brain likes stories for this reason too. Stories stick because they relate to things you understand. You can only ever go so far away from your own experiences.

>>20968209
ゲイ

>>20968208
if u were a resolute student of mine u would know the answer and it never would have even been a question

https://soundcloud.com/nichibeihiphop/mouri-motonari#t=0:12

>>20968189
Actually, "aren't" is still technically correct colloquially, even in second person usage.

Enough native/near-native English speakers have used "aren't" in the second person like that to the point where it can be considered grammatically correct in informal language.

This usage is included in most English dictionaries, btw.

>>20968246
of course it's a word but he used it like a retard, it's a contraction of 'are not', replace are not with what he said, now aint isn't a word

>>20968243
right hand side is better writer than nasu

>>20968252
You're a fucking idiot, look at the example in the second definition.

i cant believe its this easy to get them to argue about eigo still

>>20968252
According to both Webster and Oxford (among other dictionaries), "aren't" can mean "am not" when used in questions. See the previous picrel.

>>20968261
Well twerk, crunk, and cray are in there too, doesn't make it right

>>20968254
Not a very high bar you're setting there.

>>20968274
i wasnt trying to set a bar just wanted 2 point it out bc i think the average kneejerk is to say wow why didnt u stay faithful to the really good japanese writer nahh fuck that right hand side all day join the fuckin circus

Best place to mine sentences?

>>20968294
8 months in

>>20968273
They're right in a COLLOQUIAL sense. Obviously you wouldn't use those words in a business meeting, but they have gained enough usage within an English-language context that they can be considered words. That's how language works. There was a point where contractions IN GENERAL like "isn't", "couldn't" etc. weren't considered "correct", but they gained enough usage to the point that they are correct, colloquially.

This applies to both English and Japanese, or any language for that matter. Hell, the word こんにちは was probably considered "incorrect" at one point due to literally meaning "As for this day,..."

hell

Never going to learn at this rate. Going to lower it to 10 cards from 20 and see how that goes. So many words I just never remember day after day.

the less stupid shit u do the more nihongo u learn guaranteed

>>20968304
Wtf you're doing wrong?
I do about 1000 cards and my worst again count was 83%. Usually 87~93

>>20968304
You're better off resetting those cards to the new queue.

>>20968304
>>20968318
pls reset them

>>20966319
"She" lost me the moment she said to not learn to write.

>>20968324
she lost me on her first word on the video.
seriously, perhaps the content is helpful, but how can you handle listening to her with that terrible voice for more than a couple of words

>>20968336
well before i broke up with her i would say this is how https://streamable.com/nb6zm

>>20968324
It's really strange to me how proud people are about staying illiterate forever.

>>20967874
lazy kanji isn't dumb you knucklehead
if you have drilled radicals with their keywords, and are able to even subconsciously make connections to those as you write, lazy kanji is like magic

ESPECIALLY if you're writing actual words you know the meaning of

>>20968159
i hope he's meditating
that shits better than any therapy when done right. not even kidding

it cured my depression

>>20968336
maybe now that her gold kokeshi are paying her $500 a month she can also look into hiring english voice actors to redub these things

how long did it take you to read manga without looking up that many words? (say, 5/chapter max)
obviously this is different from manga to manga so let's use yotsuba as a bench mark

Neets who grinded 10+ hours a day need not apply.

>>20968389
He was. It didn't help.

i dont really mind if dolly makes money tho cuz they at least make quite a bit of content pertaining to the language they are trying to get ppl to improve at unlike some other guy who i wont name who just turns on his webcam

>>20968410
>Neets who grinded 10+ hours a day need not apply.
OK then.

>>20968410
difficulty varies and ur prob gonna be climbin the mountain to harder compelling material
doesnt take long to get to the point where if u go back to yotubato its fuckin ez but its prob gonna have been ez for a long time and u just didnt know
stop focusin on the destination and enjoy the content
>>20968416
he prob quit it 10 times just like nihongo so whether its magic or not can u really blame it for not working
>>20968419
dolly def tries harder than any of the cult leaders

Would you guys say an 82% retention rate is good or bad?

I'm about 230 kanji in, and that's what I usually get when SRSing

>>20968189
>>20968252
You don't know English.
>>20968246
It's completely valid both formally and colloquially. It was never wrong.

lol i missed the esl fest
why arent u guys smarter ur makin lowercase look bad

Should I just skip to learning vocab/grammar instead of finishing RTK

I'm like 10% done with all the kanji but I'm so eager to actually learn nihongo

>>20968472
the answer is yes

To the anon who was wondering about whether or not it was natural to say "accessできない" earlier:

>>20968472
You can learn nihongo while doing RTK. Watch anime without subs.

>>20968452
You need to wait until you've repped about 100 mature cards to get an accurate representation of what your retention rate is.

>日本語のスレッド
>日本語ポストは返事があらない
ヤイクス

ur fuckin ded bro u have sealed ur fate

whats a nihongo sled

>>20968336
If you can 頑張る through it then her content is just as good as Tae Kim's. Thanks to "her" second or third video the difference between は and が finally clicked

whenever i'm playing vns and i'm using the skip function i'm always worried that it's unintentionally skipping stuff i've never read before.

u do know theres a no skip new text option in most games right so even in games where u have to autoskip thru most of the game from the start to get on a new route itll stop when it hits new text

its really nifty and good dude u should check it out sometime

>>20968511
If the VN doesn't have a "skip only 既読 text" option, I just read at a glance and spam the mouse button while reading a couple of words per sentence instead of holding Ctrl. That way I usually notice when new things come.

>>20968416
just because he's holding the book doesn't mean he's practicing what's in it lol

that thing is a beast, really dense with instruction, and to progress like it outlines you need to go like 30 minutes to an hour of meditating every day. it takes discipline

i bet if u go grab the now deceased calvins meditation book the binding still cracks LOL

>>20968381
sure bro, if its working, then im happy for you. I'm just saying that simply using lazy kanji isn't a good method. it can works for you, tho.


>>20968395
im honestly looking foward to it. if she really does that, ill make sure to watch a couple of videos and see how it is

>>20968507
really? i really enjoyed tae kim for the parts ive read. hope she really hires a voice actor

>>20968507
>just as good as Tae Kim
better than tk in many areas

>>20968529

What if Tae Kim is deliberately teaching wrong Japanese as revenge for Japan's war crimes?

>>20968556
Chinks really hate Japan. Who do you think runs all those "find your love in Japan" style shill channels that came out of nowhere?

>>20968480
”in short, we can't access the memory but it's safe?"
i dont get why i always know the meaning of every word but don;t understand the sentence

>>20968556
It's an open secret around here that her guide is pretty good and reliable, but she deliberately mixed up は and が to troll people. Just swap those two in your head while reading that part and the rest is one of the best guides on the internet.

>>20968572
Why when we have the doll's grammar videos? Which are far more superior.

>>20968539
it's literally a good method lmao otherwise it wouldn't be working sonnyboy

have you even tried it

>>20968582
her voice makes me want to off myself though

>>20968592
The videos have subtitles, just turn off the volume.

>>20968592
so fUCKin do it pUSsy

why is there no good Sub2srs decks around?

Going to have a Japanese oral exam for a local language degree, mostly everyday conversation.
Which pronouns should I use? I want to sound polite and confident.
How about わたくし and そなた?

>>20968600
it's really easy to make them yourself and i'm not doing that 4chan thing where people lie about how easy something is to brag about their intelligence.

>>20968607
dont believe the first part of ur post because the second part soz

>>20968607
我輩
うぬ

Are sentence cards bullshit?
I make all my own cards from anime. When I look at a sentence card I immediately understand the context and the "answer" I'm supposed to think in my head. I realized recently I don't even have to look at the word in the sentence to think of its meaning. I'm correlating meanings with the sentence card itself instead of to the actual word. I'll come across the word again in reading or a show and not recognize it at all.

>>20968622
this is a very common problem. they're not necessarily bullshit. but they're kinda bullshit.

Christ, don't buy into the Kindle dictionary meme. I bought mine for personal use outside of the dictionary, but I distinctly recall a wide range of people recommending it as a learning tool thanks to the highlight touch dictionary. Let me tell you: Those people are all full of shit. They definitely didn't try reading with it for any extended period of time. The highlight dictionary is a pain in the ass to use and after only 4 ebooks I'm not even bothering with it. The highlighting is finnicky, often snaps to parsed chunks instead of going character by character, and doesn't recognize half the shit obscure enough that you'd want to look them up in the first place. Not to mention that there's naturally no google on this so if it doesn't recognize a word you have no way of following up with an online search. Maybe the dictionary is halfway acceptable if you're literally just starting reading and don't know N5 vocabulary, but for anyone else, you'll spend more time cursing at the Kindle and struggling with the highlighting than actually learning any words. At this point if I want to look up a word I just put the kindle down and type the word up myself to google it. Unbelievable.

>>20968570
cuz u need to read more
>>20968592
yall want to suffer through flashcards instead of enjoyin compellin eroge but once u have to listen to a dollfucker thats the line is it
>>20968622
since when do sentence cards have answers
it doesnt matter at all cuz anki is supplemental

>>20968622
>I realized recently I don't even have to look at the word in the sentence to think of its meaning.
It should be obvious that this would happen, you just have to force yourself to actually read the sentence.

>>20968611
easy to make, but hard to make good ones, you gonna get so many shit cards that need to be deleted. Would be rad if someone do like an entire show in one deck as well and deleted all the sentences that are basically 1 word

>>20968591
Like I said, I'm sure it works for some people. Even Genki worked for some people.

And it's not that I didn't tried, I just have my own method of using this concept of kanji to key word with no writings. And it's doing wonders to me. But sure, those who are seeing improvements with lazy kanji should keep doing it. It's obvious.

Have any of you guys SRSed via this app?

It's a lot more convenient for me than anki since I do most of my lookups on it anyway and it's simply a matter of two button presses before It's in a deck. but it seems like the longest interval a card reaches is 2 weeks and then it's considered "learned" and doesn't show up anymore. So with forgetting curve logic that probably gives the word a 40~60 day lifespan in my memory before it might die.

Idk how to feel about this. Part of me says it's good because I never end up drilling a word forever that I rarely actually see during immersion... resulting in way less wasted time in the long run and much less commitment than anki which basically weds you to the word till death.

Also I'm testing myself by writing my reviews out the first 2/3 times, hopefully solidifying the memories better. ひらがな to test the reading, then after checking that, writing the word with lazy kanji.

>>20968651
subs2srs has options to only make cards that have sentences with more than 1 word, or any number. it also has a txt filter option where you can feed it a txt with symbols/characters, and it won't produce any cards that have sentences which contain them

>>20968653
>which basically weds you to the word till death.
i mean you can suspend or delete the card, albeit i'd prefer a deathpoint function.

>>20968653
What do you mean by srs via app? Anki Droid.
If yes, what do you mean by 2 weeks max interval? I use AnkiDroid and have cards with months and months of interval.

>>20968653
>writing the word with lazy kanji
what does this mean

>>20968685
>>20968686

Oops guys I forgot the picture lol. Here it is. It's called "Japanese" for iOS.

Also don't judge for how easy these particular words are, I know all their meanings down pat it's just their readings I wanna solidify.

>>20968686
See the kanji, identify the radicals (or "primitives" in RTK-speak), write it.

It's lazy because you get to look at the kanji if you need to. But identifying the radicals + muscle memory allows them to naturally stick after a few times. That's been my experience.

>>20968719
I mean, i dont know this app but i can tell you for sure that anki is much better. I know its expensive on iphone, but im sure any one willing to pay the price for iphone wont have trouble paying the price for anki. its well worth of it.

about the word in orange, im curious... i "know" about 2000 kanji and never saw this one there.
are you sure you are following any method or thinking well about your own?

>>20968729
i dont know whether im wrong or you are. lazy kanji is not about writing anything. just recognition. kanji on front, keyword on the back and thats it. of course you memorize names for radicals, but its not about writting it

>>20968324
Yea, learn to do that thing even japanese people don't do anymore. Going to be cool to spend thousands of hours to be better than a native at one thing and suck donkey dick at everything else

>>20968738
>about the word in orange, im curious... i "know" about 2000 kanji and never saw this one there.
what the fuck is up with you

>>20968729
Also something else about this app, sometimes the version of a word it defaults to is not the version I want to study. For example for that ならう, I saved it for 倣う but it defaulted to hiragana for the card. So for those kinds of words, I stick the version I wanted in the "notes" portion of the card (which appears on the back during reviews) and I force myself to write the kanji from memory.

Those cases are rare so it's not stressful and it exercises my general ability to internalize radicals of a kanji enough to be able to write them from memory.

>>20964822
All European languages besides English are useless.

>>20968749
Keep being illiterate then, faggot.

>>20968751
idk man, i just never saw it 慈しみ. I know NOW, but didnt know until 5min ago haha

>>20968738
What makes anki better in your opinion? Customizability (interval length etc)? Longer intervals? More detailed stats?

I'm basically going for the shortest time commitment possible for words. I don't want SRS to take up half my study time, whether it's farming words or studying them.

That's why I like this app. Low-commitment and super fast to make cards since I already use it for all my paper book/manga lookups and just have to press two buttons from a lookup to make it a card. If anki has any real advantage other than longer intervals, I'll go back to that but so far I'm not seeing much of one.

>>20968744
Hmm, well according to lazy kanji article on Khatz's site, you do write it. So that's what it means for me.

Where did you read about it from?

>>20968766
I'll type it and read it like a native. Cling to your false sense of superiority based on a useless parlor trick time sink.

>>20968780
now that you mention, i guess i just created my own understanding of what the lazy kanji means and somehow thought it was the true meaning. sorry about that

>>20968774
i think anki is better in all possible fields. you can custom it to your liking, you have complete control of the cards. you can delete them if the next interval is above what you judge helpful for you. i would advise otherwise, but you can.
you can add words, sentences, etc with just one click of the mouse (on computer and synch) or with just two clicks if you use a dictionary app with suck a function (i saw quite a few already. i use akebi and it has this option).
and you wouldnt face this issue where you select the word kanjified and it shows in kana only and vise-versa.
of course all i say sums app to a preference in the end, but i strongly advise you towards anki

>>20968796
You seem to have a hardcore case of low self-esteem, anon. Be careful, it can hinder your life. Just like not trying hard enough in a language.

>>20968780
got a link?

>>20968796
Typing is literacy.

>>20968823
guess im not the only one curious about this lazy kanji now.
the entire time i thought it just meant using kanji to keyword, instead of what heiseg himself suggests. and thats it. no writting

>>20968831
It is not.

>>20968821
the harder u try at nihongo the harder u will fail

this is the only guy winning atm >>20968480

>>20968796
if u think japanese people dont write in daily life you're a dumbass. if you work in a japanese company you'll be writing all the time

>>20968842
this is the worst argument ne1 could make on several levels

LOL @ thinknig anyones going to japan here
LOL @ thinking anyones gonna work
LOL @ thinknig anyones gonna work in japan

otherwise i agree w. u sort of

>>20968842
not the poster you are arguing with, but are you sure about this claim?
i know its stupid to compare to the life i have in my country, but i only write things on the first day at a new job, where i need to sign a documment. otherwise, never write anything.
now im a freelancer... its been probably a couple of years since i last hold a pencil or pen

>>20968821
writings aight if ur into it but
>Just like not trying hard enough in a language.
biggest problem with u fucks is trying too hard and not enjoying the eroge enough

>>20968859
japans old fashioned dude if u cant read and write simple notes ur not gonna make it

>>20968869
i still doubt it, but for now i'll kinda accept this situation. but im almost sure people dont write more than their names

>>20968842
How do you know? Do you have experience?

boys post the mama note on the stack of futa do-jins for this boy here >>20968874

i rest my case

>>20968881
why? im such an okay person :(

It's a big concern that there's more people that don't consider being able to write as a must.

>>20968876
>>20968859
my girlfriend works for a japanese company in tokyo and ive seen her notes all the time

>>20968823
>>20968836
Knock yourselves out ^_^
http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/lazy-kanji-cards-a-new-srs-card-format/

>>20968854
not arguing about that but he said japs dont write at all, its not true

>>20968821
Because I value time? I guess if you have absolutely no life then yea learn to write all you want. Who knows you might get to actually use it once or twice in your lifetime.

i read a few lines of a text i struggled through a couple months ago and it was easier. this has happened 2 or 3 times now. is this what making it feels like.

>>20968893
>my native girlfriend works at an archaic paper based corporation
that's not even good anecdotal evidence to what we're talking about