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>mfw I can read like, super archaic Japanese cus of ajatt/mia - and more importantly, rtk

>>20950755
>mfw https://streamable.com/yr6fm

pitch accents too hard guys fuck mathew

>>20950775
not too hard if you're not a dekinai

https://streamable.com/0ql94

People keep arguing about the best method to learn japanese... while the answer is clear: find a nihongo book that teaches japanese solely in romaji...

how should one approach pitch accent if they dont want to go mia

>>20950820
lol nukemarine unironically owns

>>20950829
Searching for "japanese pitch accent" on youtube.
Finding many videos explaining the patterns.
After that, paying attention to the words you learn.

>>20950829
dogen

>>20950829
literally forget u ever heard of it and just watch 10000 hours of eng subbed anime

>>20950839
and especially dont look up blowgen

>read and listen to a lot of Japanese for at least 30 minutes a day
even that's a little low I feel like. I think if people didn't bs throughout their day, pretty much everyone would be able to get an hour of input at least. and even then you should really be going for more.

>>20950775
I don't even understand how pitch accent works.
Are you supposed to say it more loud when it's "high"? Or with more emphasis? Or raise your voice tone?

>>20950844
>blowgen
lol

>>20950852
pitch accent doesn't actually exist. don't buy into the meme

>>20950852
voice tone

>>20950834
we need to help him take the next step and not stutter when hes gonna tell someone they dont know japanese

this is yalls mission for this thread

>>20950879
Little bastards

little bustards?

Does she really need to show her bra? I can't concentrate.

>>20950899
u just gotta suru some gaman dude

>凹む
ugliest kanji ever

>>20950847

>>20950914
At one point in time, jamal said "those kanjis arent self explanatory. we should create kanji that represent its meaning"
2 kanji later, jamal was excluded from the tribe

what would you really achieve if you did only 30-60 minutes of nihongo per day for 4 years?

>>20950939
basic fluency

>>20950914
what are u gay ?

>>20950926
??

>>20950939
more than most japanese learners

>>20950950
ok can you define that for me please? how well would you understand a run of the mill anime raw?

let's be honest japan should have simplified their kanji even more, like china has done

>>20950984
probably 90-100% depending on the subject matter

Latin-America should have simplified their latin alphabet, I can never tell fucking 'd' and 'b' apart

>>20950925
完璧

>>20950986
the chinese simplified system isn't really that much better easier to learn except for writing. learning to recognise each character is just as difficult.

>>20950991
i'm not sure i buy that after only ~1000 hours of reading/listening

>>20951001
learning to recognize them isn't difficult at all and in fact the wackier the easier. i just mean the writing.

>>20950999
>didn't do rta

>>20950986
its funny u mention this at this moment as i am indulging in some of the uh finer pleasures

I'm aroused every time I see a kanji with 女

Is this normal?

>>20951016
what do u think about this one 嬲

>>20951016
鸚 u freak

>>20951016
fuck off matt

>>20951006
it all adds up!

its not the amount of time doing the thing its the amount of time that goes by that u consistently do the thing for some amount of time and with focus that makes u good

>>20950955
>??
crossboarder, please ignore

>>20951014
absolutely disgusting quarter-width spaces

>>20951006
0.75x365x4=1095
45 min a day

>>20951014
do u think the hira sfx here is the same hira as in the title of "hanahiraっ" ??

>>20950925
i mean ideally you're gonna be in the 4 hours a day range it's just if you go below 30 minutes you're not gonna make it it's just a threshold

>>20951050
ye i know, the original post said 30 minutes and an edited one said 60 so i just averaged it

>>20951041
good post

>>20951068
u will definitely know enough nihongo to read this sign in 4 years

>>20950939
>>20951006
The reality of the matter is that "X minutes of Japanese a day" is only a factor at the very, very beginning of your language learning career. By the 1 or 2 year point, you won't even be considering how many "minutes" you spend on it a day, cause it'll just be a natural part of your life. I see a new moco78 video. I watch the video because I enjoy them and want to. That's ten minutes. Do I mark down on a notepad that I've completed 10 of my daily allotted 45 minutes? No, I just keep living my life. There comes a point where stringent time management is just not a relevant part of language learning. The language becomes part of your life.

so do chinks use kanji in the same way japs use hiragana in regards to conjugations and shit like that or how does it work? does each character only represent one word?

>>20951074
>置き飯
good word

>>20951060
agree im just a crowd pleaser and happy to scribble to make it look shittier
but imo its not actually about the time the time is just a side effect
if u aint amped enough by ur eroge to sink some real time into it ur prob gonna quit in the first year
>>20951068
i misread ur post lol

>>20951083
sounds like that approach + only doing 30-45 minutes per day on average would result in a plateau

>>20951087
each character represents one word. some characters represent grammatical concepts, but there's no conjugation.

simple example 我吃了 means "i ate", because 了 acts as past tense

>>20951101
actually thats an oversimplification, obv chinese has some multiple character words as well

>>20951101
>simple example 我吃了 means "i ate", because 了 acts as past tense
ye thats what i meant. so chinese should be substantially easier to learn then? though the pronunciation seems kinda aids

>>20951087
hanzi encode pure morphemes and modern chinese has nearly zero non-isolational morphology
>>20951098
as long as you don't exclusively read social media and forums you're gonna get good no matter what you do

>>20951090
お　えさ
置き餌

だよ

>>20951124
yea its actually very grammatical similar to english at the most fundamental level so u dont have to destroy your brain as much trying to make sentences. it's just a big memorisation game & pronunciation is much more difficult for anglos

>>20951006
I mean if you to 1 hour min for four years you're at about 1500 hours. and if you can get extra time, even on the weekend, you'll be sitting pretty nice. and its completely doable.

>>20951133
ちょっｗｗ天才ですか草

>>20951098
You missed the point, which is that the arbitrary "30-45" figure will lose all meaning by that point. I might decide to spend 3 hours that day marathoning boiro videos just because it's what I want to do. That's what, a week over the 30 minutes a day figure? But from my perspective, it's just me living my life normally and doing what's entertaining. To directly spell my point out: By the time you've been studying (efficiently) for about two years, stringent time manage of X minutes a day ceases to be relevant because you'll actively be spending hours upon hours interacting with Japanese as just a natural part of your daily life. You'll watch Japanese videos and TV shows just because you want to. You'll read Japanese articles and books and webpages just because you're interested and you can. Japanese will cease to be an alien language you dedicate X amount of daily time to studying, and it will just become a part of your life that you interact with normally.

If 2 years into studying you dislike Japanese culture so much you have to force yourself to spend half an hour interacting with it, then maybe learning Japanese isn't what you really want to do. Or are you going to spend the rest of your life tracking your time and forcing yourself to do things you don't want to?

Right so how the fuck do you joke in Japanese?
Saying perverted shit makes tou seem creepy to Japanese people. Saying rude shit makes you seem rude.
The worst of the worst is translating english expressions literally, like "suck my dick". Why do they hate that?
What's some funny stuff to say?

>>20951151
>>20951141

>>20951147
yeah i understood that fine man, i'm coming more from the angle that the 4 years have hypothetically passed already and you have averaged 30-45 minutes per day on average for whatever reason (i understand it wasnt obvious due to being a bit autistic). obviously i'm studying under the assumption that i will transition into the stage you are describing otherwise what would be the point

>>20951151
just tell people マンコを見せてくれ, they'll fucking die laughing

>>20951151
japanese people are simple minded and still prefer puns and slapstick, so bonking them on the head or something will make them laugh 9 times out of 10.

あたしはとても悪い幼女ですよ

do jap really pet kid on head like dog?

>>20951147
u should prob have this approach before the first year is over even if u waste 6 months ankidroning
if after 18 months u still arent chillin and lettin the nihongo wash over ur body it might never happen

>>20951164
Literally exactly the sort of thing I thought would be a funny thing to say when drinking with Japanese lads

>>20951177
it's not really exclusive to japan we do it here too (middle east) but it's more like a greeting and not related to praise (also kids don't like it)

i still dont understand the dolly hype

>>20951163
Oh, in that case don't worry about a plateau. There's a very important adage in language learning, which is "it's easier to remember than it is to learn". This means that the more time you spend with the language, the easier it will be to get better, since you're doing more remembering than learning. Every day you spend with Japanese, be it 30 minutes or 3 hours, you'll be learning bits, remembering other bits, and just generally accumulating knowledge.

The only thing that will lead you to a plateau is inefficient studying. Reading a book for 30 minutes will give you permanent, meaningful gains. Doing RTK writing practice for 30 minutes will do almost nothing. So just make sure you're doing productive studying.

>>20951151
u realize ppl get killed every day in the hood for tellin someone to suck their dick right

it goes both ways

anyway this reminds me of a good example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Pge2nb979k#t=52

in the comments theres a dude that doesnt get why homeboy takes his shirt off

purebred japanese just dont understand what it means to go hard

>>20951175
直訳することがダメな理由はこれ。

>>20951194
there is none its over

no more dolls only voicebots now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_aH-rAfZJM

>>20951225
thats a step backward technologically tho

>>20951225
is that a jojo reference lol

>>20951204
precious

>>20951244
you gotta give a lil to get a lot

>>20950755
If you could not read it out load for your lit club you can not read it, and therefore rtk is useless. QED

>>20950755
rtk doesnt teach you 旧字体 tho so you cant (except maybe 國 i think thats in rtk3)

Speaking of YouTube links I'm actually somewhat surprised we don't have a resident J-Pop spammer

>>20951206
うるさいわね

>>20951294
>わね
無理だ。

>>20951342
無理でしたわね...

https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/ay11b7/im_9_minutes_away_from_having_completed_100_hours/

based af

>>20951344
うせろお前

>>20951358
これで終わりだわね...

>>20951363
なんだと、やめろぉ

>>20951356
>What did it say?
based af

>>20951373
tbqh a lot of people wouldnt have the balls to ask that here

Should I bother taking and studying for the winter N1?
I most likely won't ever get a job involving Japanese but I could probably just about pass the test if I had to do it tomorrow

>>20951373
whatever it says, it's not japanese

The Japanese that (((they))) teach us is too polite, right? So you shouldn't hesitate to use some regular nihongo on your peers?

what do you guys think of parallel texts? if i read a translation and then immediately read the japanese that makes it comprehensible input, right?

>>20951391
no you probably wont pass it's just a waste of money, only 15% of people taking it every year pass and you're probably not in the top 15%

>>20951406
does it matter. you can't be taught a language. just read and listen to shit until you dekiru.

u can totally be taught a language if someone takes the time to work with u and provide u a good curriculum

>>20951391
If you feel like you need to study for the N1, you shouldn't take it.

あたしは陵辱をください

>>20951433
disagree with this especially on a paid test

>>20951407
I used them a lot and it really helped.
>if i read a translation and then immediately read the japanese that makes it comprehensible input, right?
I didn't use it like that though, I tried to figure out the Japanese and checked the translation whenever I was stuck.

>>20951204
>夢なら覚めないで
if this is a dream i won't remember?

>>20951448
that's probably a better strategy, thanks anon!

>>20951595
the fucks ur problem

>>20951194
if by "don't understand" you mean "understand but disagree" then you're a dumb fuck. actually you're a dumb fuck either way.

>>20951595
That's 覚める as in "wake up"
Extremely different from 覚える as in "remember"

>>20950986
They should have extend the simplifications to the entire script at least. As it is now you are forced to learn alternative kyuujitai components in a lot of the non-jouyou kanji. And for many of those characters there exist two variants (摑/掴 for example) and no-one can agree which one is the one that should be used, so you have to remember both in the end. At its current state the simplification is a bit of a failure since it further complicates learning of the writing system.

>>20951599
there is no dolly hype. there are like only 7 sorta frequent users so if something is talked about here it is by no means hype plus dolly is a nonentity that means nothing to me.

>>20951613
it's actually a good thing that they didn't since han unification ended up happening

>>20951617
agreed. there is no "hype" just some people who think her videos are good. what a fucking dipshit. fuck that idiot.

dolly hoyyppeee

>>20951595
"if this is a dream please don't let me wake up"

>>20951622
Would that have been a problem though? Japan adding some more variant characters to the set.

if this is a dream i am fucking gay.

>>20951641
they 100% would have merged all the semi-simplified japanese characters into the same codepoints as the characters they derived from

Guys I've spent LITERALLY 7 years at university studying japanese as my major but I dont use it over the breaks and always end up forgetting anything that isnt the basics

The dream feels so far away...

what is most delicious manga to eat? I feel like eating manga as an easy break from novels. any recs?

>>20951663
you don't actually like japanese

>>20951675
eat my balls

>>20951448
american unis are such a scam lol. how can you study for 7 years? you'd be kicked out here if you didn't pass the set amount of credits and core modules every year

>>20951675
berserk is a fun read

>>20951676
But ive been watching anime and reading manga my whole life

I want to be in VN translation for a job in the future...

I love japan unlike half the fake ironic weebs these days.

>i love japan
>ironic fake weebs

nope u fuckin lost dude ull never be one of the awoken elite

>>20951663
if i had done this i would 100% kill myself, no question about it

>>20951687
academics is literally a pyramid scheme, as the only job you can do with studying humanities is teaching, in which you will be teaching more people to become a teacher. Only go to university if you need it for a specific job in which you should get the degree and get the fuck out and never return. I don't get why people go to uni so much.

bc their parents from a completely different time it might as well be tell them its important

everyone tells them its important

and for-profit education is literally turning millions of young people into indentured servants

>>20951715
well it's completely free in my country and he education you get is quite good. even if you are doing japanese or something you will at least come out with n1 which doesn't seem likely in the US. a lot of japanese studies alumni from here work at nintendo europe in germany for the localisation team

Of course education is a scam in the modern age.

>imagine paying for information when the internet and libraries exist

jesus fucking christ my tomodachi

i mean if u go to postsecondary to "pay for information" u deserve to be scammed

thats not the reason u attend

>>20951728
decent unis are really about testing your own ability to harness information and analyse it and produce results based on that etc. anyone can use Google but a software engineer earns 100k because they know what Google results to copy in their code

>tfw getting masters degree at 23 after 4 years of uni and still feel like a failure
how do you live with yourself after wasting 7 years at uni

>>20951698
How do you feel about the fact that a (former?) DJT poster is now a professional VN translator?

congrats u made sure all plotge will never make it both in the west and in general since it has long since hit the ceiling and all that remains is run of the mill titty jackoff games as more and more big name brands die

omigoto lol ur translations are so shit u killed eroge

>>20951726
>and he education you get is quite good
you're confusing innate student ability with quality of education

uhh what

>>20951738
Did they mention what titles?

Because quite a lot coming out these days (from proper japanese studios) are filled with so many grammatical and spelling errors.

Working in translation for actual japanese companies isn't hard, as long as you have some form of university completion papers and "know"/speak english they'll take you

t. englishman who worked in a japanese company where they hired spainards who could barely speak english to teach english

and yeah I know the english teaching thing in japan is fucked and flawed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMD9uav9NRE

>>20951764
You can just ask him. https://twitter.com/mr_quof

hey guys i have been semi frequint poster here for 2ish years and have become pretty epic at the japanese. as i am still in uni(STEMlord) i have not really done much japanese, but in 1.5 years i will come to this thread after moving to japan and tell you how I made it. Name to remember: david

>>20951767
wait wait wait

this guy has 8000 subs and is making 2500 per month from patreon. is he some master salesman or what the fuck? i've never watched any of his videos but i've seen channels with 250 000 subs making 1/2 of that on patreon

>>20951761
not really. it's possible to actually have a challenging curriculum. they have you translating news articles by the 3rd semester. of course there's a 75% drop out rate in year one but that keeps the quality of the Japanese degree higher than the joke it is in the US. the shitty US education system has completely devalued lots of degrees because retards assume it's the same shit everywhere

>>20951781
he probably subs to himself on patreon (or asked his dad to) for 2 grand

>>20951783
>they have you translating news articles by the 3rd semester.
Why do I get the feeling it's some nhk easy type shit lol

really sad this didnt get any mileage >>20951678

u do know theres a manga called my balls right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRL447oDId4

>>20951781
he's a cult leader

>reading LN
one hundred million lines per minute, can go for hours understanding 99.9% of everything, unknown words are there but not constantly a hindrance
>reading VN
takes 50+ hours to finish one route, sometimes the characters have a conversation that i can't understand more than half of, feels like i'm moving in slow motion
why is this?

>>20951804
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUTVmuqviqE

>>20951830
answers pretty simple

~u dont know japanese~

>>20951798
i don't think anyone that started lurking 4chan after around 2008 would recognize that, man.

>>20951675
gegege no FUCKING kitarou will culturally enrich you in ways you didn't know were possible

>>20951830
LNs are for stupid teenagers and romans visueles are for epic mature adults like myself. It's only natural that they're much more complex.

>>20951830
idk maybe one piece of content is objectively harder or some bias is at play

anyone have some good 姉ショタ VN’s they’d recommend? :)

>>20951835
maybe i've just only read really easy lns and really hard vns. i didn't think there'd be much of a discrepancy because haruhi i handled decently (even yuki's infodumps weren't that bad) but typical plotge are running a wreck on my rear, man.

you know ive been shitposting here for so long that i never really think about how fucking weird it is that you lot a) jerk off to cartoons and b) learn a language this hard just to increase the pleasure you derive from doing so

shits crazy as hell

>>20951783
>not really. it's possible to actually have a challenging curriculum
it doesn't matter. learning is largely a matter of self-teaching and self-motivation. voucher lottery studies prove as much but it's intuitively obvious. prestigious universities are prestigious based on the quality of the students they attract and not because they're uniquely able to teach (or "challenge").

What's weird about that?

>>20951769
damn that doujin jrpg he's posting about sounds pretty much epic ftw he's praising it to hell and back, anyone else have a second opinion?

>>20951860
i mena sometimes i switch it up and jack off to 3d moans and high pitched squeals while they look absolutely miserable getting fucked by a small dicked asian that im self inserting as

its important to remember that no matter how much u love 2d u are 3d

>>20951872
All his e-celeb friends love it too, must be quite the kamige.

>>20951852
i got your back my man pretend this is an LN and have your eyes opened by its might and power
https://ncode.syosetu.com/n3726bt/

>>20951793
here's the article they had to translate as one section on their exam from what I heard. it's not asahi shinbun but without a dictionary it's not that easy for someone with only a couple of semesters of teaching. certainly higher than US standards

https://m.huffingtonpost.jp/kohgen/meal-in-the-darkness_b_9677400.html

>>20951885
>2027話
reaction image.jpg

>>20951869
it depends what your idea of learning is. obviously Japanese language makes up like 20% of the curriculum and getting a degree isn't just about learning shit. it's about becoming a productive member of society

>>20951887
yeah i for sure couldnt translate that without a dictionary 1 year in

>>20951885
looks like a rape fic or a boring overpowered mc genocide fic

>>20951874
post chinchin

https://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3549730/legendary-hires-brian-k-vaughan-write-live-action-gundam-movie/
when is hollywood going to realize this shit doesnt work

>>20951736
>anyone can use Google
can but do they
>>20951781
miaers aint no punk bitches when it comes to their japanese

google machine translation has gotten to a point now where its fine for translating japanese.

in b4 no u dont get the subtle nuances of the languange then

lmao take a look at urselfs

dont make me have to link the streamable if ur gonna post that

https://streamable.com/ay43z

>>20951781
this is like shit a comedian would say in 2007 before launching into a ten minute bit about airplane food. why the fuck does anyone give this guy money?

>>20951934
nah it really hasnt outside of really small pieces dont even think about it fucko

>>20951934
yeah for most things it absolutely is enough but if you are translating literature, then translation is pretty much the same as writing a book, meaning it cannot be done by a machine any time soon.

>>20951946
oh stop being petty

>>20951946
ill be honest i did laugh at how shitty that punchline is

>>20951946
meanwhile heres what the posting party at djt looks like

https://streamable.com/8dves

>>20951946
the dude is basically king NPC. he distils information for low IQ retards. like the morphman shit, I was using morphman in the way he was talking about 2 years ago but now it's a major meme cause I guess it's too hard for retards to figure shit out by themselves.

i'm a NEET but matt motivated me to start learning japanese. although i don't watch his videos for advice (it's pretty obvious what you need to do once you start reading and listening and mining) i will donate money when the government bucks roll in.

>>20951942
i didnt want to search for it aligatou

same

Are there any phone apps that would help me with learning Japanese?

I don't always have access to a computer but I always have my phone with me so what can I put on it to start learning Japanese?

>>20951965
the fact my tax dollars goes to that piss jugger upsets me greatly. I would prefer if you spent it on heroin. time to vote republican.

>tfw too intelligent to derive "inspiration" from other people

>>20951975
ankidroid

>>20951978
wow that pic really speaks to me its like im seeing into the tegami to reveal my true sugata lol

>>20951975
duolingo is all you need to be 上手です

>>20951984
lmao VERY good post

btw i was referencing the guy that posted a mirror at me the last couple of times i said 2 post the tegami dont even think about it scrubs.

>>20951988
way 2 ruin ur own joke!

sorry dude im still really pissed abt the my balls thing i feel like i have to ruin em all now

>>20951980
I'll check it out, thanks.

>>20951986
Are those apps actually good/reccomended? Like Duolingo or Memrise?

>>20951988
post what now

夢見るこころはチョーデカイー!

>>20952010
why she got egg shaped ta tas

>>20951946
lmao

>>20952013
cuz art is dead

I find the fact that Matt gets 2k a month really funny because it's not really enough to be happy about since it's not gonna last forever and it means he has to keep doing what he hates lol. I'm sure he needs the meditation to keep from noosing himself desu

>>20951872
>>20951883
looking through more of his posts i'm seeing a ton of stuff about rpgmaker games from japan. i've played a few english-translated ones in the last few years but man this seems like a hell of a rabbit hole. maybe some day when i can read without a text hooker.

>>20952026
he can live off his father forever the money means nothing to him
he prob does it cause it makes him feel like he has something to offer

>>20952044
this he idolized khatz and now he gets to be khatz for a new generation

I know every. Single. First grade, joyo kanji. Not tea bag if I do say so myself!

説明
約束
文学

>>20952070
kono chew kara?

>>20952070
職業、不倫、牛肉

wrong on all counts

>>20952061
thats it im making a patreon a twitter a discord a twitch channel a instagram a yt channel im gonna do it all

>>20952061
where is khatz now

>>20952087
if it dont pay a dime it aint worth ur time

>>20952098
time is money thats why its important to get ahead early so u can afford to spend time having fun before ur 50

>>20952097
last I heard he married a 13 year old Muslim Uyghur girl in Xinjiang and now has a small farm on the outskirts of Ulaanbaatar

>>20952087
https://mega.nz/#!3YJzSAqJ!pRgQDYMXmZzz4lQexK_1WFYVzlwlPevyBfiiZZ7Yi0Y

>>20951124
the grammar is more easy for english speakers to follow but instead of having to learn on and kun you have to learn pitches.

>>20952087
you don't have matt's charisma or jewish iq

>>20951373
its safe to read it wont cripple your nihongo. your welcome I risked all my studying to report that.

>>20952141
pretty sure im bigger in both departments

>>20951698
the more japanese I learn the less appealing translating seems.

>>20952155
yah translatings really fuckin gay dude cuz easier to just take in japanese and say fUCk it

>>20952031
ITHVNR works just fine with RPGMaker games and I've had a very good and sexual time with several of them. It's a world just waiting for you to discover it.

problem: a gf will definitely cripple your nihongo

>>20952165
otoh gf is the only reason i learned nihongo

i enjoy translation. it's like a language puzzle. how do u get across the original intended meaning in a natural way while losing as little as possible? u get some real curve balls with japanese

>>20952165
yea my gf ruined my nihonged go as we all know

>>20952097
right here https://www.patreon.com/ajatt

>>20952031
フリゲ as they're often called is quite the rabbit hole, partially due to the low barrier of acquiring the games and partially because they tend to be brief bursts of passion - putting aside ksg, defined as games that take longer to complete than to download, the average furige might only be a couple hours long. It's easy to just casually finish a couple furige in a single afternoon, which is a big difference from say long visual novels which you need to set out a week for. The fact each furige is made out of pure passion with no financial incentive is pretty great too, it means just about every one you play will be unique and interesting in its own way, as opposed to say by the number moege (though there's a fair number of VIPRPGs that focus on the 魔法具現化 which are mainly a group of qt lolis). There's just flat out insane stuff out there like Smash Brother clones made in RPG maker 2000. It's just an endless roller coaster of cool, crazy shit that's easy to pick up and fast to finish.

What set me down this road of furige is definitely Tobiden (扉の伝説). It's actually a 100-ish hour long JRPG packed with meaningful content that tells the story of a heroic 15 year old girl's quite emotional journey. It's kind of like the Trails in the Sky series if you're familiar with that, but with much faster pacing and a lot more brutality. A friend of mine described it as "one of the best video game experiences of all time" and that's not really an exaggeration. It was kind of a life-changing game for me because it set me on a quest to find another game that made me feel the same way, and other furige were the most natural place to look. Unfortunately, Tobiden is just really unparalleled in quality. It's thankful then that furige are such a nice little rabbit hole to explore. I haven't found anything as good as Tobiden but I've found a lot of neat games. 詩歌を嗜む, 去り行く運命, and エンディングノート stick out immediately though ふたりの旅のきろく is the game to play if your'e just getting into furige/viprpg.

I just saw >>20952164 and yeah there's a lot of HRPGs made in RPG maker that are good too. That's a whole different story though since they're more about generating sales on DLSite than anything. I've played a lot of good ones ( 働くアイリがキリ斬りス's writing really caught me off guard) but they're just fap material most of the time so I'm not too invested in them beyond that.

I doubt anyone cares about my biography but I left DJT after about two years of getting my feet wet here (got linked to this thread by my good friend wa*eya who's an eternal DJT goer bless his heart). There's like a point where you no longer need the support of DJT to keep yourself going and are either just wasting time shitposting or otherwise breaking your back trying to help the constant influx of beginners. I hit that point and left to save myself the opportunity cost. Had I learned Japanese to shitpost on DJT, or to read stuff in Japanese? The choice was clear. Even now whenever I nostalgically visit DJT or get linked here I end up just writing post after post explaining Japanese, giving guidance, etc. It never ends and feels largely fruitless since 95% of people give up (I've personally tutored like 5 people but they all gave up, not due to harsh study plans or anything, but because they stopped caring enough to put the daily effort in). My mental vision of DJT is just a huge vortex sucking up time.

Also this place is a lot worse now. Who the fuck is Matt? Bring back Steve posting, please. And where's all the god tier Dekinai edits? Jesus Christ get it together people.

unironically tl;dr

how do i do a custom study session reviewing everything again not just ones i forgot?

>read a paragraph
hey pretty cool i think i got that
>check translation
lot of nuance missed or misinterpreted

How do i even get better at that? inb4 read more

Panel (0, 1).
>おしとやかで
I can't figure out what the fuck that is.

Yeah, sorry, I write huge posts. It's just a thing I do. I like writing.

it's inconsiderate you need to respect the time i spend here

if u like writing u should get better at it cuz u fucking blow.

H-Hidoi
This is why nobody likes you Jamal!

u know i mean it but not that seriously

>>20952221
お (adds politeness)
しとやか
で (and)

>>20950820
we are living in his head
soon he will be ours

>>20952244
careful some autists here will get offended if you translate で as and

行くで

>>20952244
Thanks oneechan!

>>20952206
so-called professional translators all really suck at writing lol shits maddening. ppl are so easily fooled by anyone who can string 2 sentences together without making an error these days

>>20952206
Thanks for the long and detailed response.

>>20952265
the ones who clear m$ word spellcheck get hired by sekaiproject the rest can tl for mangagaymer/jast

>>20952265
the eops hiring translators have prob seen a lot of horrendous translations that they think just accurately reflect what a strange language nihongo is so its what they expect

as the bard said: "brevity is the soul of wit". and by gosh da*g it he was right

>>20952285
This is definitely why all of famous literature is extremely brief and the antithesis of verbosity, such as Ulysses

>>20952287
ulysses is shit so you're not really saying much here. pick up a copy of something actually good like of mousey men

im sure ready to pay 45 bucks for this game and jack off

>>20952206
Thanks for the post. When did you start studying Japanese and how long did it take you to get good?

if ur gonna respond to this fuckhead pls keep it smaller than the old twitter limit so i can scroll by it faster thx

>>20952287
misses the point as to be expected of a fool. if they could say what they wanted to in less words they would have. u however have no excuse for your 'Reddit poster who averages 15 upvotes' ass style lol

>>20952290
why learn nihongo when all the best shit is translated now

>>20952300
Aren't you always saying that you'd like to read DJT success stories or whatever? You've got a guy who started out here and now makes a living out of translating porn games and has enough free time to beat Evenicle 2 in 5 days.

>>20952309
i dont think youre capable of writing a success story

but by all means the floor is urs

I mean is it really a success if he's annoying tho. like whatabout that flashtard guy he's never gonna be a success

>>20952315
I'm not him, just saying that if anything you should be the one asking him questions.

>>20952322
i dont really see anything exemplary here that demands my inquisition

plus he said he left dude

literally leaving djt is a success story in and of itself and boosts ur chances of literally doing anything else by a lot

地味 - dirt flavored - plain, subdued
地味子 - perfect woman

someone needs to write a guide on leaving djt

>>20952330
idk dude just follow ur heart

as for me i have a date with ms wackenheim

>>20952326
That doesn't change the fact that he spent 2 years here and left because he felt he no longer needed DJT's help (meaning he did need/appreciate it before).

>literally leaving djt is a success story in and of itself
Fair enough, I can see why you of all people would think that.

awooga!

>>20952335
i-im not him!

>>20952335
there was never a time when anyone needed djts help

also yea i post a fuckin lot dude thats why i wrote that

>>20952344
Not true, who else is gonna tell beginners to watch 10k hours of anime?

if i gotta tell them that they are already fucked

think about it from my perspective

until lately i had to watch noob after noob fly into the bug zapper its been really hard but i think weve finally started to keep the noobs out

and now i have to watch all the aidsjatt matt cult shitters start to die one by one as they realize their dream isnt getting any closer (rip carlbin and that fro dude and that other random youtube comment some guys posted)

the literal high point of djt right now is the fact nuke marine finally broke 200 on jcat

do u understand my anguish now (plz just say tldr)

>>20952294
April 13th, 2014. I don't really know if there's a single point where I "got good", but I remember that it took me about 2 years to stop using a texthooker. The biggest steps in my language learning career were grinding 6,000 cards in anki (core2k + 4k mined) and then dropping it entirely to do nothing but read. The stats in pic related are actually mine. Never missed a day for about two years. To this day I don't know if the Anki was worth it or if all my gains were from reading VNs at the same time. After about 3 years I was picking up LNs and VNs without worrying whatsoever about the difficulty or wishing I was using a texthooker, and since then I've just been reading and listening to things with no attempt to constructively study whatsoever. I think this has been harmful in some ways, I would benefit from going out of my way to do speaking practice, but it has only been relevant at one point in my life so far, where I had to speak Japanese in an interview.

tl;dr 2-3 years, but you never stop improving really.
>>20952309
Playing Evenicle 2 for sixteen hours a day was a mistake. I spent the next few days working non-stop to make up for lost time. One benefit of being a translator is setting your own hours, but as they say, you are your own worst enemy.
>>20952335
DJT's help was definitely essential (I stumbled upon the thread on /a/, never would have started without it). Without Anki's daily structure I would have been too apathetic to study every day I think, and being able to post here with anonymous questions was nice. I had a good time memeing too. I have a huge folder of steve/dekinai images. This 10k anime stuff is nostalgic to me because I remember finny introducing the meme in the first place. Anyone remember finny? Or makifag joining the navy? Good times. Man, I actually miss old DJT. I had a lot of fun there. Meanwhile, modern DJT is not so comfy. For obvious reasons. The tone of a community can be completely colored by the active posting of a single regular with too much spare time on his hands, and that's really happened to DJT I think. Name of said regular omitted for privacy reasons. (It's Jamal).


See? I write long posts. It just keeps happening. I warned you bro. I warned you about the long posts.

>>20952386
did u already forget the alcoholic thats cold
>>20952389
tldr

>>20952386
i believe in nuke chan.

>>20952389
lol u actually thought ur writing style wasn't instantly clockable.. u shouldn't pretend to be other people in the thread m8

>>20952389
The biggest reason is actually that the /jp/ janitor who was active 2 years ago has been AWOL for awhile, allowing e-celeb worshipers to run the thread into the ground.

>>20952389
didnt read lol

>>20952405
omfg that guy fuckin died too holy shit

this is the only remaining footage of him ever existing in our world

god why do they all have to die

>>20952419
I don't samefag, nerd. I am however used to people being delusional so carry on.

woops forgot to paste heres the last known footage of the yotteru dude lol https://streamable.com/x545u

the only mia guy whose gonna make it is the guy who made a video about how you can get fluent with nothing but eroge demos

Is it worth to do the 6k/10k core deck?

>>20952436
has he posted a new vid yet ? if not i got bad news he prolly went from "low key anki" to low key fuckin quitting forever and killing himself.

It took me 3 months to get through my first VN but if I can read another 6+ VNs within the next 9 months will I get as good as rarepotato?

>>20952389
When you say
>After about 3 years I was picking up LNs and VNs without worrying whatsoever about the difficulty or wishing I was using a texthooker, and since then I've just been reading and listening to things with no attempt to constructively study whatsoever.
Do you mean that you hardly ever came across unknown vocabulary, or that it's irrelevant/easily inferred from the context? At this stage did you manually look up words while reading?

>>20952436
Whos this guy?

>>20952425
protest all u like. we both know I'm right, and that's the sweetest victory of all.

>>20952441
1.5k-2k and then mine

I finally fucking did it. Jesus Christ that was long. By the time I finish this game's routes I'm not even gonna remember all the shit that happened in it.

>>20952451
That sounds less appealing than knowing Japanese.

>>20952442
if mia even kills eroge guy truly no one is safe
the number of lost lives is prob in the hundreds now and will be in the thousands by next year

>>20952220
>inb4 read more
why do you ask the question if you know the answer

>>20952309
heres ur fucken success story biotch >>20952462

>>20952462
gj my dude it gets better

>>20952422
Meh, we had Steve worship in the past, it's just swapped over to the vastly inferior Matt. And for my entire DJT tenure we were on /a/. The swap to /jp/ happened after I left, as I recall. Celebrity worship is kind of inevitable since human beings love that kind of gossipy drama and 4channers are no exception.
>>20952448
Irrelevant or easily inferred from context. Just think of how you treat unknown English words and it's the same thing. I did start manually looking up words when necessary. When using anki I specifically targeted words with kanji I didn't know, or kanji I failed to read, so that I could look up words easier on my own (radical searching kanji was just too slow for me to consistently bother with). Nowadays when I bother to look up a word I just google it. JDICT is shockingly lacking in the broad scheme of things.
>>20952463
Come on, anon, he's going to think I'm you. And I was going to not reply at all because he just wants attention. Never forget that giving shitposters a (you) is a victory for them, friend.

>>20952463
well good thing i can have both and thankfully my english skill is beyond reddit 'elon musk fanboy' tier as a bonus

remember to commit to a sustainable approach.
burnout is the biggest cause of failure.
commit to a method you are comfortable doing for the rest of your life.

>>20952466
i literally cry every time i lay down to sleep and think about all the dreams that have died

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGLMEjELQF0#t=418

>>20952475
But Steve isn't a snake oil salesman.

i like reading japanese comics with little girls in them

>>20952480
>commit to a method you are comfortable doing for the rest of your life.
if that method isnt to enjoy compelling eroge and let the nihongo wash over ur body then ur really fuckin up ur life

>>20952493
Very true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5IPArDxO40
This video may have saved my (japanese) life. It's what really got the idea into my head that reading is the most important that, and languages aren't learned through textbooks (I was going through Genki at the time. Very early.)

>>20952475
>I did start manually looking up words when necessary.
How often was that, on average?

>>20952503
glad u put down the genki before it was too late

>>20952503
let me show u the truth about ur hero steve since u might be out of the loop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c5Xy3GZCac#t=535

>>20952442
he posted on the discord last week:
"Monthly update.

Reading: I spent this month going through my 6th and 7th light novels. For the first time this month I stopped reading fantasy (Konosuba LNs) and started more widely reading with something more contemporary/slice of life. As expected, at first my reading speed dropped by half as I got used to it, but after a week I realised that the same vocabulary was being repeated over and over at a much greater degree, and my reading speed shot up. I feel like for the first time my understanding of written Japanese isn't anything mechanical like vocabulary or grammar, it's just trying to understand what the author is actually trying to convey with the language they're using.

Listening: actively watched almost all of terrace house: boys & girls in the city this month. For passive I mostly keep seasonal anime episodes on loop during my commute, and at work I listen to youtubers. As always, I need to put more hours into it. Also, usually I wouldn't recommend anything dubbed from English into Japanese, but I really like the Japanese dub of Gravity Falls, voice acting feels very natural.

I've been slacking a bit the past couple days, need to get back into the grind. Goal is still to read 10 novels by end of may and then I'll reevaluate."

>>20952475
your posts are all easily identifiable, I wouldn't confuse you with another poster lol

btw can that other guy post that yt comment of that dude (japanese) shitting on steve for using baby tier nihongo lol

steves native unvetted now dude welcome to the new meta wheres ur god now

>>20952517
any idea about what is this new LN he is reading?

>>20952534
idk probably toradora or some shit

>>20952517
dude those are all the signs that hes spiraling dude

hes not terminal yet he could reverse his descent but hes already in slow orbit around the drain

>>20952517
what happened to eroge i dont even want this guy to make it anymore hes not even trying to be compelled its like he wants to fail

>>20952508
I remember counting once and looking up a total of 3 words for one VN. Really it's up to you how much stuff you want to look up, because when you know every word in a sentence except one, and have context on your side, it's trivial to guess the majority of words. Generally I only have to bust out the dictionary when I'm trying to understand a lecture on some topic I'm not familiar with. Basically the times you would bust out an English dictionary too.

>>20952532
im on mobile but I'll recreate it here

god that is so much anal tearing if steve wasnt already poopin in diapers he is now

posting a relic

あたしはとても感情的な女ですね

>>20952580
a unko a day means at least ur shittin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCMx9DGl9Y0

posting another relic

posting new meta shit

yep that was the end of the good old days

>>20952593
Damn, I miss imouto. He still posts here, but without the Ichigo Mashimaro pics and not as often.

jamal is chaotic good hes a tragic hero

oh fuck i remember the laser guy lmfao

>>20952606
theyre not supposed to realize this till like 10 years later

check out what i found

now thats some fail i cant even imagine what djt was like before i started showin up

>>20952600
ya~y

o-i kuso jiji
ecchi shinai

etti siyou

The thing about a constant lurker is they pop in to comment on anything that catches their eye, not to mention posting whatever comes to mind. If you stay in the thread, you're constantly assaulted by their inane opinion on everything. Its hard to describe the kind of influence this can have on a thread's culture. It's like someone shitting into a local water supply. Every sip you take has their nasty taint infecting it. And since people are free to post as much as they want with no recourse, the only defense against this is leaving the community.

Basically, in some ways, Jamal is indeed a tragic hero. He's nature's way of keeping people from staying on DJT. Every day you stay here is another day in his presence, drinking his shit water.

no jamal tries to save noobs every day of his life but they just ignore his advice everything he touches turns to dekinai like the midas touch or something

>>20952722
>i cant stop posting but its completely different cuz my opinions are essays

>>20952744
Who are you quoting?

man i bet someone i know took this screenshot good times

>>20952730
idk dude baller sky dude is winning pretty hard and im pretty sure i have some stake in that

ah yes
what an era
too bad g*m*rg*t* happened and ruined the whole entire site. some things just aren't meant to be.

post more bye please

>>20952766
Uh, this site does get worse with each passing year, but ぞい子 was after gg, dude.

good god some things just never change feel free to post this with the original timestamp filename whenever an rtk argument is destroying the thread ok bye gotta go do something else

>>20952777
one more post i guess: i didn't say otherwise, i was there the entire time, everything slowly deteriorated out of control as individual boards and threads fell and moot stopped trying to pretend to care (who's moot again? i forgot)

>>20952730
he touched me and im still reading eroge
>>20952779
plz no tease

do you guys ever day dream about starting ur own japanese school and what classes u gonna have
>6 core classes, 3 for genki1,2 and 3 for tobira
>3 writing prerequisites 2, 4, 6 from core
>5 kanji classes 500 kanji each, taken in order
>3 speaking classes same as writing
>2 reading classes
>2-3 culture shit or language theory
electives choose 4
>Keigo 1 and 2 prerequisite 3 and 5 from core
>Casual speech, focus on contraction slang and shit
>Pitch accent theory, senior class
>jlpt prep classes N2, N1
>some more culture shit

I'm tell you guys anime is booming and the demand is HIGH making a competent language school would be rad since all of the good ones are in japan.

>do you guys ever day dream about starting ur own japanese school and what classes u gonna have
Nope.

oh boy

>>20952839
is it ethical to farm dumb redditors wallets like that

>>20950737
かわいいかわいいちょうかわいいDJTの女の子, please post pantsu pictures with timestamp for admiration and (You)s.

>>20952791
Is senpai about 40 years old?

>>20952881
not even close

>>20952858

n5 here how many decades should i study to be able to play an average jrpg

>>20952945
Play? 5 years. Interpret and understand on anything but a surface level? 20 years.

>>20952206
>wa*eya who's an eternal DJT goer bless his heart
cool guy but he made one of those petty faggot virtue-signalling posts about disliking conservatives on twitter so he went from an 8 to a 7.

>>20950852
>>20950775
I used to study Cantonese because reasons, that bitch has 7 fucking tones. I never got conversational in it, but once I grasped the tones it was like opening my eyes for the first time.
Even if I didn't understand a word from a phrase I could recognize each tone, write it down and imitate the speech pattern in ding dong ching chong nip nong.
Protip: listen to as much as you can but focus on tones specifically. Tune out the words and meanings and only hear how the pitch changes, if that makes sense. Also listen closely to recordings with transcripts annotated with tones, but I guess those are much less common for Japanese than Canto.

畝 <- fucked up looking kanji

>>20952958
i think it's because he's crippled and thinks free healthcare will solve his problems.

凝 look at this dude

>>20952945
jrpgs are probably the easiest media to get through, but they're also kind of a pain to look up words from, especially retro JRPGs with shitty looking low res kanji that are hard to recognize for a beginner.
i'm nearing 2 years and find them pretty easy but i do have to look up words all the time, of course. though i did drop anki after around 8 months, because i'd do my anki for the day, be satisfied that i "studied" japanese, and then do other shit instead of actually enjoying the language and its media. i dont regret starting with anki but i'm also glad i dropped it.

without djt i never would've taken the first step and now i'm living the dream babey

thanks to djt i realized the 9999 hours i spent watching anime were all worth it

when i get bored i visit djt so thanks guys

>>20953058
なんだっけそのかんじ

うね？

>>20953164
>うね
yeah
i saw it in a tweet https://twitter.com/axi1205/status/1102556769190965248

>>20953187
てきせつなごいをかつようして
たんぶんをかんせいさせてください

うねを_______から、なえを_____、じょうろ_________。

>>20953245
立てから
植えて
で水をやる

>Finally good enough to realize that Moses isn't good
Shit I can't trust anyone anymore.

Tfw learning japanese just for shit like https://twitter.com/KSHMRrrrrrr/status/1101714060792365057

do you guys ever farm sentences from VN's? or do you just look up and keep reading

>>20951074
sono ichi
itsumo to chigau ga migata ni, ki ga suru kooto
Sono ni
chanto kuutsu made miru koto ii ne?
etc.

>>20952588
how could anyone willingly do this to themselves.

>>20952945
I started my first jrpg after 4 months. Needless to say I'm not finished yet but nothings stopping you.

>>20953280
うねうねにして
なえなえにして
でじょろじょろにする

>>20953085
Haha I know this kanji it's 疑

The fact that 即尺 exists shows how precious this language can be

Is Anki the greatest program ever written?

Yes Damien is a god.

Any good LN recommendation for romcom genre? I'm reading Jaku-chara Tomozaki-kun right now, considering Gamers! next.

>課
>謀
WRY
JAPANESE
PEOPLE

Japanese is the Assembly of spoken languages.

Why didn't anyone tell me ero shit is so fucking easy to understand?

wait a sec if ero shit is ez to understand then isn't it bad for improving

>>20954136
Who cares? My dick is happy, and I'm happy.

yea more power to you. i wish i could find such basic and boring shit compelling

>>20954145
do you not experience sexual arousal?

>>20954158
He probably masturbated to matt's vids twice a day.

yea but either ero is so easy to read i'm not learning anything or i have to look up shit in the middle of my fap. why? that's retarded. it's so pointless.

>>20954164
>or i have to look up shit in the middle of my fap. why? that's retarded. it's so pointless.
Just makes the finish all that more rewarding.

>>20954168
no it doesn't. makes it worse.

>>20954175
>You prolong the time before you cum
>You get to cum
>You learn something along the way
What's not to like?

>>20954178
you can do all those things without eroge

>>20954180
There's erotic content other than eroge, anon.

you can do all of that without erotic content. in fact it's preferable. you get to fap to what you like the most and you can also read the best stories which stand on their own merits. ero is the worst of both worlds. it's such a stupid fucking meme. fuck you for perpetuating it jamal.

>>20954190
What if what I like to fap to the most is a Japanese-speaking woman whispering into a microphone, role playing as someone having sex with me, the listener?

i'm asexual and dont masturbate

物事
事件
事柄
事態
事故
etc.
how can i make the monolingual transition if i can't tell these fuckin words apart?

>>20954225
what do you mean? the second kanji in each word look nothing alike, how is it hard to differentiate them?

>>20954234
i know their readings but they all mean the same thing except the first one.

>>20954190
wait what did i do now

whats ur issue

>>20954243
事故 is not even close to meaning 事件

>>20954287
did vncore lie to me? how do i learn what they actually mean? this monolingual stuff is tough.

*takes a hit off a fat spliff*

duuude isnt it weird how some japanese words are like hella specific and the other 1s r like really hella broad ?? like what hte fuck dude japanese is totally bull shit

>>20954293
fucking lol, based vncore

>>20954287
〔出来事〕 an event; an occurrence; a happening; 〔問題〕 a matter; an affair; a question; L a res 《pl. 〜》; 〔困った問題〕 complications; a trouble; a difficulty; 〔訴訟の〕 a case; a cause; 〔事変〕 an incident; 〔陰謀〕 a plot; 〔不祥事〕 a scandal; 〔犯罪〕 a case; a crime.

an accident; an unexpected misfortune; a mishap; 〔故障〕 a hitch; trouble.

>>20954014
Bump

>>20954293
>>20954342
to put it more simply

some fuckin SHIt that happened

>>20954293
incident not an accident

i read RTK 1+3 and my nihongo is around N3 level

is there any way in which RTK 2 (the one with gook pronunciation) could be utilised? I see that it could be used at least to identify the common radicals that make groups of kanji be pronounced the same way

>>20954452
idk dude i think this ones best served by watching more anime than deciding what 1 english word to try to put on it

>>20954453
no never do rtk2 just go through core or mine your own vocab by reading

Let me check my sentence bank to see how these words are use-- wait I deleted my sentence bank...

>>20954453
imagine trying to find an excuse to do MORE rtk

https://youtu.be/gRjIaCnl1Xc?t=334
>A lot of people come at me with "How do you deny the science behind spaced repetition systems". There is no science if I don't like to spend my time doing it.
is he right?

>>20954495
sorry dude no one cares about ur gay old man who sucks at japanese as evidenced by >>20952546

>>20954499
well does that mean he's wrong?

>>20954453
you should try learning japanese instead

>>20954505
i think it means im not interested in anything he has to say because hes got nothing id want

>>20954553
i have nothing you'd want but you're interested in what i'm saying. so you're actually lying. i got you good here. stop being unreasonable and let me know if he's right or wrong.

>>20954562
jamal btfo and doesn't reply what a surprise lol

i dont even read posts before i reply to them dude dont kid urself

btw u very much do have something i want heres a pic of it

you talk a big game but deep down you know you're a fucking loser lol

ur gonna have to do better than that if u wanna drag me down baby

is there a way to check how many words from a source (core2k, core6k, 10k, etc) are present on a given text?

who the fuck cares dude whats it gonna do for u