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God Ran-shama is so sexy.

>>20924255
post the webm

>>20924321
ye at least do it right OP

>>20924321
>>20924329
i can’t post webms through my phone

>>20924255

I want to be body pressed from both sides by Yukari and Ran

>>20924255
If a KamS video is an A-grade rendition of the story, then MoP is a C.
It's got titties though.

>>20924332
>i can’t post webms through my phone
why?

>>20924332
What the fuck man.

>>20924338
The story isn’t the main point in MoP.

>>20924349
What is the point

>>20924332
Don’t post through your phone, then.
>>20924370
Good visuals/animation. Boobs.

>>20924255
A lot of nip "purist" seems to hate it due to how it deviates from canon settings/characters.

>>20924255
The definition of fanservice

>>20924255
It takes a few too many unneeded liberties with the established plot and setting to count as a good adaptation. But it's a decent enough watch if you just want to watch Touhou characters in anime form.

Also, Yukari is walking sex yet still completely in character. Which is something I commend.

>>20924332
Heretic!

It is very good for a fan made anime

It's ok if you count boobs. Still waiting for that anime made in ZUN style.

>>20924255
Pretty good I just wish the BD weren't so stupidly expensive, really don't care about how "inaccurate" a fan project is

>>20925456
Is Yuuka a rapist?

it could have been the perfect 2hu animu if they followed the canon story to the letter instead of fanshit.
and if the episodes weren't so short. and probably could use a bit more grimdark.
I, for one, await the next ep of merry&renko adventures though.

>>20925599
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIP9oodu8RI

>>20924255
何もが考えいます。

>>20925436
which ZUN style? He changes his drawing style every game

>>20924255
Boobs, that's all.

>>20926162
Isn't it because he fucks around with the software? His hand drawn art seems fairly consistent

>>20926259
hand drawn illustration*
you cant make an art with your hand drawn you stupihead

>>20924255
I wish it got more people working on it. Aside from the slow episode releases, its good.

>>20926269

>>20926390
t. ignorance

>>20926406
faggot cunt

>>20924255
Memories of Phantasm is fucking trash. The MVs they do are the best content but loads of people do better animations. At a 'studio' level of quality A Summer Day's Dream is better and there are fuckloads of amateur animators better than MoP. The writing by itself even is shit, some of the worst paced shit I've ever fucking seen, and don't even get me started on the fanfic-tier sections. Overall, bad. Memories of Phantasm? More like Memories of Fucking shit.

>>20926680
gay shit

>>20926701
unironically incel seething kek

>>20926712
get out of /jp/

>>20926725
memories of phantasm is the best anime ever

>>20925973
>sir no

>>20924255
Aggravatingly fanon a lot of the time, decides to adapt very oddly a lot of the time, great music and animation, the fanon thing is what really kills it.

Stuff like nagging chibi Shikieiki. That pisses me off.

>>20924255
I think I am in love with Ran's majestic buttocks.

>>20926948
I want to screw them...

Great animation and excellent character design, what screws things is that they use fanon depiction.

Also as a personal point i hate to see my waifu as a fucking punchline/punchbag for every joke

>>20928951
I'm sorry anon, but you're wife is the enemy of the people.

dont follow this secondary shit

atleast tell me it has nue

>>20928963
Even if that it's true she does not deserve that treatment, specially when she has that awesome design,

>>20924255
Good stuff and fanservice that's for sure.
There was a great emphasis on Reimu's armpits and sideboobs.

-it's inaccuracies were somewhat minimal at least, but the ones that existed bothered me
-animation was good
My biggest problem is that scene right there. Why the fuck are they wearing hats in the bath. Why does Yukari have an umbrella in the bath. It's ridiculous. Did they do it as a meme? Because the bath scenes alone make it look ridiculous. That other fan anime with an original plot that has 2 of 3 episodes out is pretty great though.

>>20930238
Not yet

>>20931760
>that other fan anime
which one is that

>>20924332
Die phonefag.

>>20931760
>-it's inaccuracies were somewhat minimal

>>20931897

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8me0G6dFZFY

>>20924255
I don't give a good god damn how canon it is.

>>20924255
Garbage style over substance. The animation and character designs look nice for the most part but you're watching extremely watered down game adaptations that don't transition well to animated form and some of them like the PoFV one don't even have any structure besides "lol watching flanderized Eiki lecture other 2hus sure is funny!!"

Hifuu Club one looks almost as good, has actual contracted voice actresses instead of whichever NND user decides to dub MoP and actually tries to create interesting narratives despite them being completely fabricated plot lines.

>>20932015
did this thing ever come out?

>>20932199
yeah i have it on betamax

>>20932071
This. God forgive me, but it’s fun.

>>20931996
I'm not including ambiguities that could have happened, even if they most likely didn't. Just things that directly contradict things.

>>20924255

Great effort on its own, questionable artistic choices and writing is still lot to be desired (with respectable attempts during the IN arc, but that's only my impressions).
Also, episodes gets shorter and shorter, and there's always that bad habit of skipping battles. I suspect the circle not always being able to catch on.

But despite all this and all that's being said, remains a great series with a good reserve of entertainment. I used to cringe at the so-called meme and grimace feast but not anymore. I don't have any problems with the series fully assuming its cartooney nature now. As I said, writing is rather poor but I recognize they're at least trying (some interesting moments are to note but they're few). I also enjoy its original no voice format better (I'm probably among the few in this case). I think they know their topic but are limited by the artistic orientation they chose (pretty art over solid story). Also, they clearly underestimated the gap between making openings and full episodes, given how poor their sense of priorities can be sometimes.

I don't really have problems anymore with the series as it is now. But sometimes I wish its potential was better used and backed up with a solid storytelling rather than this easy (and lazy?) entertainment attempt. Working on more original settings within their episodes for instance, working on relationships between characters but carefully avoiding fanon depictions, taking inspiration from print works to build up some segments in order to give some depth, etc. This is the direction I want them to take, not the lazy frame-recycling they sometimes do to build a useless cute scene in order to make up for another countless "battle-skip".

>>20925421
I can already imagine how fucking horrified ZUN was at that scene, if he even saw it that is.

>>20924347
He's using appleshit.

>>20939391
Does he lives under a rock or what? this being Memories of Phantasm, the super uggu moe kawaii xd Touhou anime by wide default, you think he has not seen his daughter's work?

>>20939391
Well why would he? Should he also ban rape doujins in Reitaisai?

>>20932379
How about completely getting characters wrong?

Eiki being a bratty nagging asshole who never smiles.
Eirin being emotional in any capacity.
Daiyousei having any amount of significance.

>>20940564
>Eiki being a bratty nagging asshole who never smiles.
That's not completely wrong. Nagging, sure; bratty no.
>Eirin being emotional in any capacity.
Yeah. That's one.
>Daiyousei having any amount of significance.
That has nothing to do with her character, which is completely unknown. But her having significance, yes.
As I said, minimal. Obviously, it gets some things wrong but I think it's pretty good considering the average? Or maybe I'm just not being harsh enough.

>>20941299
No, it is acceptable. There’s something as too harsh.

>>20941299
>>Eiki being a bratty nagging asshole who never smiles.
>That's not completely wrong. Nagging, sure; bratty no.
It's definitely completely wrong. The only character she's ever been actually annoyed with has been her lazy as shit employee. She "nags" everyone else out of genuine goodness and she does so with an agreeable smile on her face.

In MoP she's the right cunt from fanon. A short asshole who's always grumpy and bothering people. The only reason that people dislike her in canon isn't that she "nags" so much as she highlights their vices and encourages them to improve themselves.

There's also fanservice, Yukari not being near as goofy as she really ought to be (she's less troll-y, more serious and dark), and muh Sad Flanders, though far as we know Flandre ain't never been sad (though to be fair, I don't mind this interpretation and really am just pointing it out).

>>20941442
>It's definitely completely wrong.
I'm going off of the dialogue she has at the end of each character's PoFV route. I found that to be naggish. If you don't think so, okay, that's fine.

>A short asshole who's always grumpy and bothering people.
This though, is wrong. One, she's not short. Something fanon gets wrong a lot. And she doesn't go out of her way to bother people.

>the fanservice
This stuff honestly makes me cringe. Especially considering how badly they get Yukari's proportions. She's honestly not that big, boobwise and heightwise. And yes, way too serious.

>>20941442
>She "nags" everyone else out of genuine goodness and she does so with an agreeable smile on her face.
Totally not biased viewpoint.

>>20941488
It isn't, it's in PMiSS. You could call Akyuu biased but she's usually negatively biased, and she gives both the positives and negatives of Eiki in her article.

She also does indeed mostly smile nicely and in canon she is rarely NOT smiling

>>20924370
2hu tiddies

>>20940315
it explains everything

>>20941442
>The only reason that people dislike her in canon isn't that she "nags" so much as she highlights their vices and encourages them to improve themselves.
I think the reason people dislike her in canon is because most of the vices she highlights are, to put it bluntly, nonsense. Which just makes her come across as a self righteous bitch pushing her values on other people.

>Yukari not being near as goofy as she really ought to be (she's less troll-y, more serious and dark)
You do realize Yukari is like, a fucking serial killer, right? She's a goofy troll in the same way the Joker is a goofy troll.

If anything, I found her portrayal in MoP one of the best parts. Even the fanservice made sense considering I always got the impression she was supposed to be supernatural beautiful and alluring in that kind of "evil fairy queen" way.

>>20941970
>You do realize Yukari is like, a fucking serial killer, right? She's a goofy troll in the same way the Joker is a goofy troll.
She isn't, really, but since you're acknowledging that she's goofy in canon and not in MoP I don't know what you're even saying here, really. She's as much of a goofball as she is a disgusting monster, but mostly she's an aloof and coolheaded type in MoP, which is a common fanon portrayal despite her being one of the more notoriously silly characters in canon.

>I think the reason people dislike her in canon is because most of the vices she highlights are, to put it bluntly, nonsense. Which just makes her come across as a self righteous bitch pushing her values on other people.
You realize she's the person who WILL judge them when they die and decide whether they suffer or not after death, right? If anyone is worth listening to, it's her. You say self-righteous bitch, which is fucking stupid. This is a woman trying to save people from literally going to hell.
Anyway let's see how nonsensical the vices she highlights are.
Reimu:
>Without much of a reason, you've exterminated many youkai.
It wasn't once or twice that you've defeated ones that weren't youkai.
And despite being a Shrine Maiden,
you do absolutely no exchange with God.
There are times when you even bare your fangs towards God.
Marisa:
>Yes, you are a little too comfortable with lying.
Sakuya:
>Yes, you're too cold to other humans.
Youmu:
>You are half-ghost.
If you continue entering this world like this...
I must also eventually judge you.
If I was in charge of judging you,
you will fall to hell as a human.
>Do you not come to this world without thinking
and fool around?
That is not acceptable.
You are neither a living being nor a dead one.
Reisen:
>You bear a large sin.
You abandoned your allies, leaving them to die,
while you're the only one here living happily.
Cirno:
>That's right, you cause a little too much trouble.
>At this rate, you will not be able to return to your original power of nature
and you may receive damage.
The Prismrivers have strange "vices". Putting it simply their existence is compromised due to not having clear senses of self/motivation, basically.
Mystia:
>That's right, you stir up a little too much chaos.
Tewi:
>Unlike the mischief of youkai,
you use low, dirty tricks.
Aya:
>To relay events through a newspaper is
to create a new event.
You may be intending to investigate an incident,
but you yourself are causing one.
Medicine:
>You have not realized the effect of poison.
You need to cool off a little.
If dolls are liberated, who will create dolls?
Yuuka:
>Whether it be humans or youkai,
or ghost or fairies,
you've attacked them.
Without much reason, as well.
Komachi: lazy shit

WOW. That sure is nonsense. If you're looking at her VS dialogue, her advice is sometimes... odd, but in the stories themselves nothing she says is bizarre. Biting, yes, but not nonsense.

>>20941970
Stop comparing Yukari to capeshit characters. You've been reading too much fanon.

tl;dr
>Reimu: Stop flying off the handle and attacking people.
>Marisa: Stop lying.
>Sakuya: Stop being an asshole.
>Youmu: Stop literally jeopardizing your existence.
>Reisen: You're a traitor. Stop being selfish and reflect on your actions.
>Cirno: Same as Youmu, you're going to get fucked over if you keep fucking around.
>Prismrivers: Unclear basis means they may cease to exist.
>Mystia: Be more careful with your singing, it's fucking dangerous.
>Tewi: Stop being a trickster scamming scumbag.
>Aya: Stop fabricating news articles.
>Medicine: Stop wanting to kill everyone. Chill out, think twice.
>Yuuka: Same as Reimu: stop beating people up randomly (or if you don't, die)
>Komachi: Fuck you.

You say it's self righteous but that's with clear ignorance that most of Touhou's cast is a bunch of assholes, including the protagonists.

>>20942036
>She isn't, really
She's a literal mass murderer. Her PCB profile mentions that she's responsible for spiriting people away, most humans that are spirited away die horribly. Even ignoring anything else, that is 100% evidence for her crimes.

In any case, while I do agree that she can be very goofy and silly. That's not her only mood. MoF focuses more on her serious side than her goofy side, but I don't feel that side is completely absent.

>You realize she's the person who WILL judge them when they die and decide whether they suffer or not after death, right?
I get that. But that still doesn't change the fact that she comes across as a self righteous wanker.

>Reimu.
Apparently, non lethally fighting people that attack you is a sin now.

She also judges soldiers for killing people. Because apparently, what they should have done is just let themselves and their family be killed by a invading army. Fucking bitch.

>Marisa.
She has a problem with the fact that a woman that regularly deals with dangerous, if not downright murderous, supernatural monsters lies a lot.

Also, Marisa's at times seem to be a downright Pathological liar. Meaning she's willing to send somebody to hell for a mental disorder.

>Sakuya.
Well, it's almost like Sakuya works for a vampire that eats people. Maybe Eiki should consider the fact that most people would be more inclined to burn her alive than be friendly towards her.

>Youmu.
Youmu can't help the fact that she's born as a half ghost. To somehow view that as a justification to condone her to a sad, lonely existence in the netherworld is just disgusting.

>Reisen.
This one would actually be pretty understandable... Expect that she also told Reimu that she won't forgive soldiers for killing people. So, what the fuck does she want from people? For everybody to die together?

>Cirno.
Also pretty understandable.

>Mystia.
I would actually agree with this one. Expect that her problem is that... she sings a lot. You think the whole "con artist" or "murderer" thing would be a bigger problem. But apparently, it's not.

>Tewi.
So, killing humans is just harmless mischief? But being a silly prankster is a sin. What?

>Aya.
This one is also pretty understandable.

>Medicine.
Telling Medicine to "cool off a little" is a bit like telling Hitler that he should really be a bit more kind towards the Jews.

>Yuuka.
This one WOULD make sense. But most print works seem to indicate she only attacks people that damage her flowers. Which, is pretty reasonable if you ask me.

>Komachi.
This one is also somewhat reasonable. Expect that part of the reason why Komachi is so slow is because she does actually care about the people she ferries.

>>20942048
It's not the best comparison, I admit. But it's broad enough that most people would get what I mean.

>>20942049
The Touhou cast ARE a bunch of assholes. But the reasons why Eiki judges them are at best missing the forest for the trees, and at worst downright unreasonable.

what the fuck is even going on

>>20924255
Too much EoSD

>>20942199
eosd is the only memorable one

>>20931841
2019 and still being this secondary
fuck them fuckers

>>20942178
Nah not really, Yukari is nowhere near to be considered in the same bracket as joker.

>>20942218
people have jobs and a life

>>20942219
She's caused more misery and death than the Joker. She's not in the same bracket because compared to Yukari, the Joker's evil seems downright petty.

Hell, depending on the writer. The Joker might actually have more standards than Yukari.

>>20942231
t. secondary

>>20942254
I’ve beat every game like 100 times

>>20942248
Its a silly game not your edgy fantasy. Go back to capeshits if you want that.

>>20942178
>She's a literal mass murderer
I'm not denying THAT. I'm saying she's not really like the Joker.

And before I move on you need to also be aware that Eiki exaggerates explicitly to get people acting as best as they can to minimize the potential consequences after death. It's stated that for people she truly feels may go to hell after death, she finds time in her busy schedule to see them. In PoFV, due to Komachi's laziness, she has a lot more time than usual. Another thing to remember is that Eiki doesn't judge good and evil, she judges right and wrong. This means youkai attack and kill in moderation, humans don't. That sort of thing.

>non lethally fighting people that attack you is a sin now
Reimu frequently attacks people unprompted, youkai, human, or god. Less humans, but she is a known firebrand.
>a woman that regularly deals with dangerous, if not downright murderous, supernatural monsters lies a lot.
*little girl, at the time, not a woman
Also that has nothing to do with her lying. She lies, and is a liar. She's also a thief and a hoarder.
>Also, Marisa's at times seem to be a downright Pathological liar. Meaning she's willing to send somebody to hell for a mental disorder.
Marisa is fully aware of her deliberate lying. She's irreverent about it too, just as with her theft, and she's a bother to several people.
>Well, it's almost like Sakuya works for a vampire that eats people.
Again, so? It's a bad thing. And she's right/Sakuya becomes less of a cunt over time. Her past experiences also don't have to do with her present situation. In Gensokyo, most people don't care.
>Youmu can't help the fact that she's born as a half ghost. To somehow view that as a justification to condone her to a sad, lonely existence in the netherworld is just disgusting.
You've entirely missed the point. If she doesn't stay in the Netherworld, she will fucking DIE and be JUDGED, and Youmu is no clean spirit. She slaughters innocent souls, denying them proper reincarnation, just because she thinks there's too many. If she keeps that up, becomes human, and dies human, Eiki will be the one judging her.
>So, what the fuck does she want from people? For everybody to die together?
Do your best? If she finds murder a sin no matter what, perhaps abandoning your friends and letting them die in favor of not killing to protect them is worse. Nobody's perfect, and Eiki doesn't believe in perfection, just correctness and incorrectness.
>You think the whole "con artist" or "murderer" thing would be a bigger problem. But apparently, it's not.
I don't know what you mean by this, but Mystia killing people isn't wrong.
>killing humans is just harmless mischief? But being a silly prankster is a sin. What?
Tewi is guilty of a hell of a lot more than pranking, and is legitimately one of the worst people in all of Touhou. Her pranks are just one facet of the fact that she doesn't care about anyone other than herself and the family she makes.

>>20942178
>>20942270
>Telling Medicine to "cool off a little" is a bit like telling Hitler that he should really be a bit more kind towards the Jews.
And...? Yes? It's still the right thing to say.
>most print works seem to indicate she only attacks people that damage her flowers
In PoFV she isn't doing that, but this is one of those things with Eiki deliberately blowing things out of proportion. In VS, Eiki's advice to Yuuka is to terrorize humans more. The problem with Yuuka is that she isn't a proper youkai.
>Expect that part of the reason why Komachi is so slow is because she does actually care about the people she ferries.
Uh, what?

No. Komachi is a lazy cunt. She abandons the shore frequently, drinks on the job, just plain doesn't DO her job, sleeps in her boat, and generally just doesn't work if she can get away with it, wandering around, hanging out where her boss won't find her, chatting with hermits. Oh sure, WHEN she does her job, she's quite nice, which is something Eiki acknowledges. But Komachi doesn't really do her job.
>>20942181
I really, honestly, don't see how. Nothing she says is wrong about any of them, and that's really what bothers them all. It's why they all go silent when she tells them the truth of their characters, because they can't truly deny it and it's shut them up (all of them, despite Touhou being full of characters who don't hesitate to make sarcastic and smug remarks). For instance, Marisa's lying? Classically that's subject to having your tongue pulled out with tongs in hell. That's serious shit, maybe you'd want to avoid that?

Nothing's unreasonable about her requests either. In the end, her requests are just to do the right thing, and not succumb to selfishness or misguided actions.

>>20942262
rhythm carnival is such a fun game isnt that right xd

>>20925421
God, I want to lick Ran-sama's stomach.

>>20942272
>all of them
looking again it's actually MOST but not all of them

Marisa and Sakuya are the only little punks who still sass the yama even after being told the truth, which makes sense. The liar and probably Gensokyo's most consistent troll. Sakuya rarely ever breaks her facade of airheaded silliness and denseness. Kind of like Yuyuko, but unlike Yuyuko Sakuya is an active troll.

>>20942266
Touhou isn't edgy. But Yukari is a utterly abhorrent monster of a person.

>I'm saying she's not really like the Joker.
I mean, I guess. I can't think of any better comparison.

>Less humans, but she is a known firebrand.
It's non lethal, though. It's like getting angry at somebody for challenging people to a game of Magic.

>She lies, and is a liar.
Again, I don't think Lying is bad in the circumstances of "this person could rip me in two with her bare hands".

>She's also a thief and a hoarder.
Which would have been far better sins to point out.

>Marisa is fully aware of her deliberate lying.
I might have to look this up. But i'm pretty sure being aware of it doesn't somewhat discredit you from being a pathological liar.

>Again, so?
Then why doesn't she tell her "STOP WORKING FOR A MURDEROUS VAMPIRE"?

>In Gensokyo, most people don't care.
I'm pretty sure most human villagers would burn her alive if they could get away with it. The thing is, they just can't.

>she will fucking DIE and be JUDGED,
1: I'm going to assume she's going to die eventually even if she remains in the Netherworld. She does still seem to age. 2: I took it more to mean that if she keeps going to the other side, Eiki will have to judge her rather than just giving her a free pass on account of her situation. Not that she's just going to drop dead.

>Nobody's perfect, and Eiki doesn't believe in perfection, just correctness and incorrectness.
I get that. But my point is that she's utterly unreasonable. She simultaneously thinks it's a sin for soldiers to kill people. But she also think it's a sin for soldiers to run away from a fight. Meaning she wants people to fight, but not kill anybody.

>but Mystia killing people isn't wrong.
How the fuck is it not wrong? Like, killing people for no reason, and Mystia has no reason, expect that you enjoy the way they taste is wrong. This is a pretty straightforward idea.

>Tewi is guilty of a hell of a lot more than pranking, and is legitimately one of the worst people in all of Touhou.
I have yet to see her do anything as evil, vile, and repulsive as killing a human for food. That alone means she's already a better person than 90% of youkai.

>And...?
It's fucking stupid. You don't tell somebody that's openly genocidal to cool off. You tell them to stop trying to commit genocide.

>The problem with Yuuka is that she isn't a proper youkai.
Which means, what? Causing Chaos? No, wait, she judges Mystia for that. Killing people? No, wait, she judges Medicine for that. Tricking people? No, wait, she judges Tewi for that.

Like, her arguments when it comes to Yuuka just seem nonsensical at best. And her VS quotes downright contradicts her story dialogue.

>Uh, what?
I can't quite remember where it was. But I remember it being mentioned somewhere that she tends to take a lot of time ferrying each spirit across because she enjoys talking with them.

Overall though, going by her profile and PMISS info. She seems more carefree than downright lazy. She does her job, just at her own pace.

> It's why they all go silent when she tells them the truth of their characters
Pretty much all of them respond sarcastically or uncaringly, and then proceed to beat her up. Most of them then also proceed to ignore her advice altogether, as shown in her own route.

>I really, honestly, don't see how.
How can you not? Most of her advice are unreasonable, don't make a lick of sense in the context of other advice she gives, or are judging somebody for something minor when they are literally murderers that have done FAR worse things.

She tells people not to succumb to selfishness, but also doesn't seem to mind actual murderers that kill for selfish reasons. She tells people what actions are misguided, but gives them advice that would literally get them killed. Her logic is nonsensical. Her judgements are biased. And her advice doesn't make the world a better place. She is a awful, hypocritical, bitch.

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>>20942270
>>20942272
>I'm saying she's not really like the Joker.
I mean, I guess. I can't think of any better comparison.

>Less humans, but she is a known firebrand.
It's non lethal, though. It's like getting angry at somebody for challenging people to a game of Magic.

>She lies, and is a liar.
Again, I don't think lying is bad in the circumstances of "this person could rip me in two with her bare hands if I don't say the right thing".

>She's also a thief and a hoarder.
Which would have been far better sins to point out.

>Marisa is fully aware of her deliberate lying.
I might have to look this up. But i'm pretty sure being aware of it doesn't stop you from being a pathological liar.

>Again, so?
Then why doesn't she tell her "STOP WORKING FOR A MURDEROUS VAMPIRE"?

>In Gensokyo, most people don't care.
I'm pretty sure most human villagers would burn her alive if they could get away with it. The thing is, they just can't.

>she will fucking DIE and be JUDGED,
1: I'm going to assume she's going to die eventually even if she remains in the Netherworld. She does still seem to age. 2: I took it more to mean that if she keeps going to the other side, Eiki will have to judge her rather than just giving her a free pass on account of the work she did in the afterlife. Not that she's just going to drop dead.

>Nobody's perfect, and Eiki doesn't believe in perfection, just correctness and incorrectness.
I get that. But my point is that she's utterly unreasonable. She simultaneously thinks it's a sin for soldiers to kill people. But she also think it's a sin for soldiers to run away from a fight. Meaning she wants people to fight, but not kill anybody.

>but Mystia killing people isn't wrong.
How the fuck is it not wrong? Like, killing people for no reason, and Mystia has no reason, expect that you enjoy the way they taste is wrong.

>Tewi is guilty of a hell of a lot more than pranking, and is legitimately one of the worst people in all of Touhou.
I have yet to see her do anything as evil, vile, and repulsive as killing a sapient lifeform for food. That alone means she's already a better person than 90% of youkai.

>And...?
It's fucking stupid. You don't tell somebody that's openly genocidal to cool off. You tell them to stop trying to commit genocide.

>The problem with Yuuka is that she isn't a proper youkai.
Which means, what? Causing Chaos? No, wait, she judges Mystia for that. Killing people? No, wait, she judges Medicine for that. Tricking people? No, wait, she judges Tewi for that.

Her arguments when it comes to Yuuka just seem nonsensical at best. And her VS quotes downright contradicts her story dialogue.

>Uh, what?
I can't quite remember where it was. But I remember it being mentioned somewhere that she tends to take a lot of time ferrying each spirit across because she enjoys talking with them.

Overall though, going by her POFV profile and her PMISS page. She seems more carefree than downright lazy. She does her job, just at her own pace.

> It's why they all go silent when she tells them the truth of their characters
Pretty much all of them respond sarcastically or uncaringly, and then proceed to beat her up. Most of them then also proceed to ignore her advice altogether, as shown when you play as Eiki.

>I really, honestly, don't see how.
How can you not? Most of her advice are unreasonable, don't make a lick of sense in the context of other advice she gives, or are judging somebody for something minor when they are literally murderers that have done FAR worse things.

She tells people not to succumb to selfishness, but also doesn't seem to mind actual murderers that kill for selfish reasons. She tells people what actions are misguided, but gives them advice that would literally get them killed. Her logic is nonsensical. Her judgements are biased. And her advice doesn't make the world a better place. She is a awful, hypocritical, bitch.

>>20942266
Touhou isn't edgy fantasy. But Yukari is still a utterly abhorrent person.

>>20942414
>It's like getting angry at somebody for challenging people to a game of Magic.
No it's like beating someone up for no reason. You know that's a bad thing, right? You shouldn't just beat people up.
>I don't think Lying is bad in the circumstances of "this person could rip me in two with her bare hands".
She lies in a lot of circumstances, not only in front of people (who aren't allowed to kill her in this day and age anyway)
>Which would have been far better sins to point out.
She points that out. She tells her to get rid of her collection.
>Then why doesn't she tell her "STOP WORKING FOR A MURDEROUS VAMPIRE"?
Remilia isn't even murderous, dude. She's explicitly not murderous. Dangerous? Maybe, but she doesn't even kill the people she eats. It's not known how humans are "prepared" for her either, and as you acknowledge she's someone who believes that having a job doesn't excuse you of sin.
>I'm pretty sure most human villagers would burn her alive if they could get away with it.
Nigga what? What fucking headcanon. The same villagers that hang out with youkai on the regular and at most find them spooky and that's about it? The non-violent, passive villagers who are fully satisfied with a peace through technical oppression?
>my point is that she's utterly unreasonable
Well that's stupid, because she's not (unless you mean she literally cannot be debated which is true, and she won't change her mind, but it's not as if her requests are impossible to meet). "Be a better person" is not unreasonable, and again you're ignoring that she exaggerates to get this point across.
>She simultaneously thinks it's a sin for soldiers to kill people. But she also think it's a sin for soldiers to run away from a fight. Meaning she wants people to fight, but not kill anybody.
Gee anon it's almost like morality is complex.
>How the fuck is it not wrong?
She's a being that kills people.
>Mystia has no reason, expect that you enjoy the way they taste is wrong
According to you, then, it's wrong to kill cows or something for food.
>I have yet to see her do anything as evil, vile, and repulsive as killing a human for food. That alone means she's already a better person than 90% of youkai.
Tewi creates sentient life by deliberately supporting a slave ring of animals that she knows and expects will be abandoned and or abused, starved to death etc. and thus birth enough resentment to become thinking youkai under her unbreakable thrall. The resulting youkai are happy under her direct control, but must literally die first to get there.
>You don't tell somebody that's openly genocidal to cool off. You tell them to stop trying to commit genocide.
Well she says that too, that's why she says "if you kill everyone, you won't see any new dolls"
>Which means, what?
Spreading fear and not just lazing around doing nothing.
>Killing people? No, wait, she judges Medicine for that
No, she judges Medicine for wanting to kill everyone.
>VS quotes downright contradicts her story dialogue
No. She says terrorize humans more, after saying Yuuka has been terrorizing humans, youkai, fairies, and whoever indiscriminantly.
>Overall though, going by her POFV profile and her PMISS page
Try going by
-every time she's in a fighting game
-when she shows up in Three Fairies
-her fairly frequent appearances in WaHH
-her outright saying she's avoiding working
>Pretty much all of them respond sarcastically or uncaringly
After being shaken to silence which is the point I was making.
>Most of them then also proceed to ignore her advice altogether
Having your flaws pointed out won't fix them, go figure.
>Most of her advice are unreasonable

What the fuck man.

I give up. If you think
"Hey, don't be an ass"
or "Hey, do what you're supposed to do" is unreasonable, you're absolutely off your rocker. At any rate, if you don't want to believe it's not unreasonable, just recall that it's canon that she doesn't give advice for bad reasons, and nothing she says is wrong.

Here is what Eiki's judgements should have actually been:

>Reimu.
"Think about your occupation as the Hakurei Shrine Maiden, and what it actually means for your fellow humans."

>Marisa.
"Stop pursuing power at any means.

>Sakuya.
"Stop working for a murderous vampire, and rejoin humanity."

>Youmu.
"Stop killing spirits simply because you think there are too many."

>Reisen.
"Look to redeem yourself for your cowardice."

>Cirno.
Same as it is now.

>Prismrivers:
Same as it is now.

>Mystia.
"Stop tormenting humans."

>Tewi.
"Stop causing people genuine harm with your tricks.

>Aya.
Same as it is now.

>Medicine.
"Stop trying to commit genocide."

>Yuuka.
"Learn to value the lives of things other than flowers."

>Komachi.
"Do your job at the pace that is needed, not the one you like."

Ran out of space so
>>20942414
>She is a awful, hypocritical, bitch.
Fucking shut your mouth. You're an idiot who completely doesn't understand her character. Like, obviously and clearly.

You're just another dumbass who thinks Eiki is simply morality police, and not correctness police. Also you're an idiot who doesn't get that PoFV was a rare exception, even after it's pointed out to you several times, and also pointed out that Eiki exaggerates, IS the one who will judge you so that's that, and that it's canon she only really goes out to bother people who she's certain are legit going to burn in hell at the rate they're going.

>>20942438
>"Think about your occupation as the Hakurei Shrine Maiden, and what it actually means for your fellow humans."
She says this, and criticizes Reimu for not being a proper Shrine Maiden.
>Stop pursuing power at any means.
Why
>Stop working for a murderous vampire
1) Not murderous.
2) Why
>Stop killing spirits simply because you think there are too many.
Komachi tells her this, if not Eiki. I know it's one of them.
>"Look to redeem yourself for your cowardice."
She says this. She says that Reisen can't improve by not facing her past wrongs.
>"Stop tormenting humans."
This would threaten Mystia's very existence as a youkai and is thus terrible advice.
>"Stop causing people genuine harm with your tricks.
She says this.
>"Stop trying to commit genocide."
She says this.
>"Learn to value the lives of things other than flowers."
Since Yuuka is a youkai, this might not actually be something she has to do unless she's possibly spreading too much destruction or threatening the balance, like Mystia's singing could.
>"Do your job at the pace that is needed, not the one you like."
She basically says this.

>>20942421
Nah thats just self aggrandising for silly banter purposes.

>>20942437
>No it's like beating someone up for no reason.
Again, it's a non lethal game. I'm pretty sure they can even just decline.

>She lies in a lot of circumstances
Most of which are pretty reasonable.

>She points that out
Not in the story mode.

>Remilia isn't even murderous, dude.
Then why are the humans Yukari gives her all killed?

>and as you acknowledge she's someone who believes that having a job doesn't excuse you of sin.
I know. Which is why it's dumb that it somehow doesn't apply to Sakuya.

>The non-violent, passive villagers who are fully satisfied with a peace through technical oppression?
They aren't passive or satisfied, simply too broken to offer much resistance to their oppressors.

>"Be a better person"
Almost none of her arguments would actually make anybody a better person. Mystia would still be a murderous piece of shit. Marisa would still be a thief. Reimu would still be supporting a genocidal murderous regime.

>Gee anon it's almost like morality is complex.
It's complex. Yet, Eiki doesn't seem to think so.

>She's a being that kills people.
1: I have a name for beings like that: Evil. 2: We already know Eiki doesn't view once job or nature as a excuse to do bad deeds. If she somehow thinks it's okay for youkai to do it because of their nature. Then, not only is she a hypocritical bitch with a double standard. But any notions of her wanting people to be better is pure and utter nonsense

>According to you, then, it's wrong to kill cows or something for food.
A cow and a human are very different creatures, just like how a cow and a insect are very different creatures. Eiki understands that, otherwise she would be sending everybody on the world to hell for killing bacteria.

With that said though, i'm pretty sure eating meat is actually seen as a sin in most buddhist sects. So, eh, she probably does view it as wrong to kill animals. Which, fair enough.

>The resulting youkai are happy under her direct control, but must literally die first to get there.
That's somewhat bad. Still nowhere near as bad as killing people though.

>Well she says that too,
Not with the kind of reasoning that would, you know, actually make somebody a better person.

>Spreading fear and not just lazing around doing nothing.
Yuuka is already one of the most feared youkai in Gensokyo.

>No, she judges Medicine for wanting to kill everyone.
So, what? It's only a sin if you kill a million people? How does any of this make sense if you think she's "trying to make people better".

>She says terrorize humans more, after saying Yuuka has been terrorizing humans, youkai, fairies, and whoever indiscriminately.
Again, how the fuck does this make the world a better place? How does this help anybody? How is this not being a selfish dick and spreading misery for selfish reasons?

>Try going by
I don't remember her coming across as lazy in any of these, but I guess you could be right.

>After being shaken to silence which is the point
Most characters don't even get a anime style "..." to indicate silence before the next witty retort.

>"Hey, don't be an ass"
Telling Yuuka to terrorize and murder people is literally the exact opposite of telling somebody to be a ass. How can you even say that this is what she wants if you also thinks she views it as okay for youkai to murder innocent people?

>"Hey, do what you're supposed to do" is unreasonable,"
How the fuck is this a good thing? It's advice that can be applied to Doctors and Nazi officers running concentration camps in equal measure.

>>20942499
>Again, it's a non lethal game. I'm pretty sure they can even just decline.
I guess you haven't read CoLA/some of the manga. Again, she attacks people for no reason, out of nowhere. It's a thing, and she's been called out for it often.
>Most of which are pretty reasonable.
In your nonsense opinion.
>Not in the story mode.
So?
>They aren't passive or satisfied
Now you're denying canon, and I have to stop because obviously you're just going off of your gut and not the actual materials of the setting. Gensokyo is a place at peace with the few (extremely few) dissenters being openly mocked for not getting it.

just one thing >>20942499
>Most characters don't even get a anime style "..." to indicate silence before the next witty retort.
Because I don't want people assuming this is right. No. All but two characters are silenced by Eiki's judgement.

>>20942446
I get her character alright. If you want to argue that she's simply "correctness" police, whatever the fuck that means, then I would like to point out that her attempts at "correcting" people are shit. Awful, in fact. With her seeming viewpoint on youkai serving to actively making the world a worse place, and youkai worse people.

Also, Eiki only judges you if you're stupid enough to be a buddhist in the Touhou universe. If you're a atheist, a christian, or anything else. You won't even have to deal with her if you die.

>>20942452
>She says this,
No she doesn't. She judges Reimu for being a bad shrine maiden. Not for being careless in what being the Hakurei Shrine Maiden, who are not normal shrine maidens, actually entails.

>Why
Because she steals, lies, and cheats to get more power.

>1) Not murderous.
Literally responsible for thousands of deaths.

>2) Why
Because it would distance her from humanity. And make her complit, if not a active participant, in literal mass murder.

>She says this. She says that Reisen can't improve by not facing her past wrongs.
Yes, but she says it after indicating that it's bad to be a soldier. Which just makes it baffling.

>This would threaten Mystia's very existence as a youkai and is thus terrible advice.
1: No it wouldn't. The spellcard system literally exist to provide a alternative to tormenting humans. As does the human village, even if the treatment youkai give those people is just as amoral. 2: Who gives a fuck if she dies? If her becoming a good person means death, then I say let her die. She would go to heaven anyway for choosing the noble path rather than staying a monster that does nothing but spread misery and making the world a worse place.

>She says this.
Yes, but she says it in a way to imply that she should partake in "normal" youkai behavior like murder and rape.

>She says this.
Yes, but she says in it a way that indicates the problem isn't mass murder.

>Since Yuuka is a youkai, this might not actually be something she has to do unless she's possibly spreading too much destruction or threatening the balance
Again, why does it matter if she's a youkai? It's not like Eiki cares about how long she lives. Not only does she flat out want Yuuka to die. She views immortality as a sin.

If becoming a good person means dying, which it doesn't btw, then the only good piece of advice Eiki could give them when it comes to becoming a good person is to die.

>She basically says this.
No, she doesn't. She judges her for making excuses.

>>20942473
Her profile makes it clear that she's a mass murderer.

>>20942549
>>Literally responsible for thousands of deaths.
Dude. Stop making shit up. The only things we know about Remilia for sure are
1) She doesn't kill people she drinks from, as she is a light eater.
2) The mist she caused killed no one.
3) The incident she caused before EoSD (The Vampire Incident) caused no reported deaths.
4) Food in the mansion is "made of people", and nothing is said about what that means exactly: whether it's actual human bodies or simply blood.

>>20942510
>It's a thing, and she's been called out for it often.
1: Again, it's a non lethal spellcard duel. She isn't killing people. I get that people might complain, but viewing it as a sin worthy of hell is fucking ridiclous. 2: So, what, youkai randomly murdering people for fun is okay but Reimu non lethally attacking youkai is bad? What the fuck kind of insane double standard is that?

>In your nonsense opinion.
Point me to some examples of Marisa's lies being utterly nonsensical.

>So?
That just makes her come across like she's missing the forest for the trees.

>Now you're denying canon,
What canon? Point me to examples of the human villagers being totally happy and satisfied with their situation.

Let me remind you that literally the only thing keeping the human village from collapsing is hope. Not happiness, peace, or anything else. But literally the hope that life is going to be less shit someday.

>>20942534
Literally factually untrue. Even a brief glance at the story mode dialogue has more than two characters not being silenced by Eiki.

>>20942576
>Literally factually untrue. Even a brief glance at the story mode dialogue has more than two characters not being silenced by Eiki.
I'm saying that all but two characters respond to her with ellipses directly after being told their judgments, which is true dude. I'm not saying they didn't say anything after that.

>>20942563
From PMISS: "The details of this contract are that the youkai will offer them humans from which to feed. It is said these are humans from the outside world or those whose deaths are of no consequence (suicidal, etc.)."

I'm sure that these people that are chosen because their deaths are of no consequence end up leaving the SDM totally alive. Off to a live off religious fulfillment, I imagine.

>>20942581
That doesn't say that they die necessarily, just that if they die it would be inconsequential.

My point is that there's nothing directly stating she's killed anyone, that's really all.

>>20942580
>Reimu.
No eclipses. Just a "Hm..."

>Marisa.
No eclipses.

>Sakuya.
No eclipses.

>Youmu.
Eclipses.

>Reisen.
Eclipses.

>Cirno.
Eclipses.

>Lyrica.
Eclipses.

>Mystia.
Eclipses.

>Tewi.
Eclipses.

>Aya.
Eclipses.

>Medicine.
Eclipses.

>Yuuka.
Eclipses.

>Komachi.
No eclipses.

I'll admit that more characters have them that I can remember. But it's more than 2. And, having reread the dialogue, it's nonsense to assume that she stunned them silent considering what they say later.

>>20942601
>My point is that there's nothing directly stating she's killed anyone, that's really all.
That doesn't change the fact that there is literally zero reason to assume they made it out alive.

>>20942607
The reason would be that Remilia has a history of purporting to be much more evil than she demonstrably is.

>>20942603
>eclipses
bruh
>No eclipses. Just a "Hm..."
>No eclipse (ellipse)
>Hm...
>m...
>...
>No eclipse (ellipse)
>it's nonsense to assume that she stunned them silent
Nigga she did, that's what silence is. I didn't say she turned them into mutes, but yes she made them all shut up for a moment. That's the point.

>>20942248
>she's caused more misery and death than the Joker
This is what happens when you're reading too much Zounose and fanon shit. Touhou is literally alcohol and giggles franchise not a fucking Warhammer. Play the games my dude.

>>20942619
Yes, yes. I just now realized my mistake.

Maybe they just shut up because they didn't want to hear her nonsense. A idea that is far more in line with how they act afterwards.

>>20942629
Again, stop somehow assuming Yukari being a complete monster makes Touhou grimdark. Dragon Ball has a villain that blows up planets, yet I don't hear anybody claiming Dragon Ball is grimdark.

>>20942629
I don't know how much misery and death she's caused but Yukari is indeed responsible for a lot of people dying, and at least one act of suspicious war declaration that may or may not have been a means to slaughter uppity youkai indirectly.

>>20942549
>her profile
Why are you taking this so seriously? You are just like Sanae slutposters but actually unironic.

>>20942652
Because she's a mass murderer. Touhou is lighthearted, sure. But Yukari is still supposed to be a vile monster of a woman. She's a villain, just like how plenty of lighthearted stories have villains.

Seriously, why is the Touhou fandom on /jp/ so obsessed with grimdark?

Yukari being a serial killer doesn't make Touhou grimdark.

Gensokyo being a shit place for normal humans doesn't make Touhou grimdark.

The Human Village being a luddite version of North Korea doesn't make Touhou grimdark.

>>20942642
>but Yukari is indeed responsible for a lot of people dying
Again fanon shit. Do I have remind you Japan is place full of suicide spots. If you're clever, which Yukari is, you just pick up random bodies and call it a day.

>>20942678
in your headcanon

>>20942721
Zounose is our favorite artist.

>>20942721
>/jp/
/vg/
ftfy

>>20942727
>Again fanon shit
? No, she straight up says that in order to feed youkai, she gaps in outsiders. It's in WaHH, when Kasen confronts her about the... fuck, what were they called. The household spirits, which she's using in order to find said people in the outside world to gap in as food.

She's also allegedly responsible for gapping in outsiders randomly. Though this can also be a complete fluke occurrence, she takes responsibility for it. I also don't see why this bothers you. Yukari prides herself on being a genuine, complete youkai. That means scaring people, killing people, and eating people.

oh and I should address
>>20942727
>Do I have remind you Japan is place full of suicide spots. If you're clever, which Yukari is, you just pick up random bodies and call it a day.
You say that but there's nothing suggesting it. Furthermore what really gets youkai off isn't just bodies, it's fear. You can say that makes sense, but that's headcanon and nothing actually canonically supports the idea.

>>20942747
>she straight up says that in order to feed youkai, she gaps in outsiders. It's in WaHH, when Kasen confronts her about the... fuck, what were they called
I just reread the whole chapter. There is nothing there about food.
>which she's using in order to find said people in the outside world to gap as food
She's gapping people overrall not just for food.
>That means scaring people, killing people, and eating people
She's also modern high level modern youkai who detest eating people since eating people is old fashioned for them.
>>20942753
>you say that but there's nothing suggesting it
It's actually heavily implied. Not to mention that it's one of the most popular theories that ZUN never denied nor refuted.
>You can say that makes sense
It actually makes sense and a lot. I presume that you know suicide numbers are pretty high in Japan. Feel free to check a wiki. No, the real question here is why would Yukari kidnap random people when she has tons of free meat. No matter how you look at it it really doesn't make sense.

>>20942871
>There is nothing there about food.
I'm not going to reread it myself, but I definitely recall it being heavily implied at the very least. I also am pretty sure that page was from a different chapter. Checking, indeed this is from some other chapter. Zashiki warashi, that's what I was thinking of. For what it's worth this page proves that she spirits people away so I don't know why you'd post it as a... defense? At any rate, she's also never implied she spirits people away for anything other than nefarious purposes. If you are saying otherwise, present proof.
>She's also modern high level modern youkai who detest eating people since eating people is old fashioned for them.
You're making that up. She's never said this to my knowledge. Quite the opposite.
>It's actually heavily implied
Uh, where?
>ZUN never denied nor refuted.
Your source?
>Feel free to check a wiki
I know, don't be patronizing.
>why would Yukari kidnap random people when she has tons of free meat
>>20942753
>what really gets youkai off isn't just bodies, it's fear.

No it makes a lot of sense that you'd teleport more easily terrified people in to then be eaten. Again you'll need to actually point out literally anything suggesting she uses already dead people, rather than pulling a theory out of your ass. Logical or no, there's no evidence so it doesn't matter.

>food
And Zashiki Warashi observe live humans, not dead ones. Spiriting away is also an act done on living persons, not dead ones.

>>20942908
>She's never said this to my knowledge
I never wrote she said that.
>Your source?
Uh. I'm pretty sure that I wrote that he never denied nor refuted the theory. How can I source that I wonder.
>rather than pulling a theory out of your ass
Technically your theory is pulled from your ass. As I said mine is based on the fact that it is was heavily implied.

>>20942981
>I never wrote she said that.
Then why say it
>Uh. I'm pretty sure that I wrote that he never denied nor refuted the theory. How can I source that I wonder.
The several interviews and Q&As? I figured you had him saying, in reference to a question, that he wasn't denying something. Like how there's a source on him obliquely connecting Maribel to Yukari? You don't have anything like that, yet claim this is a fact.
>Technically your theory is pulled from your ass
No, dumbass. I'm using actual quotes and material and you're using nothing. >>20942920
>fact that it is was heavily implied
But you can't say where it was implied, because it wasn't. Well, that was fun.

>>20942920
Uhh, yes? Not sure why you assumed otherwise.
>>20942990
>yet claim this is a fact
No I claim it's a theory.
> I'm using actual quotes and material
No you said "which she's using in order to find said people in the outside world to gap in as food". Yukari only send them one time and the context seems pretty obvious that they had special purpose there. Again no sense sending them in the outside world just for food.
>But you can't say where it was implied, because it wasn't
It's not fault that you never listened music CDs. Funny that you mentioned Merry because Retrospective have song named Legend of Aokigahara where Merry literally said "Also, I can see a gap in the border" and other stuff related to borders. I mean feel free to dismiss it I have a feeling you're not taking me seriously anyway.

>>20943152
no one takes shitposters seriously

Yet another thread falls to someone shitposting about Yukari being evil and people falling for the bait. How unexpected.

>>20943972
More like waifufags refusing to acknowledge source material in favor of their headcanons waifu lore.

>>20944008
It’s not because she spirits humans away that she is particularly evil. It’s only her nature as a youkai.

>>20944008
More like people here don't understand basic ethics and logic in favor of 'purple lady bad'

>>20944037
>It's only her nature as a youkai.
Because you can never bad because of you're nature. That's why we don't arrest serial killers.

She's a mass murdering sociopath. The fact that she hot doesn't change the fact that she's supposed to be a bad person. If you seriously think that "She's a youkai, lol" is a serious defense either in or out universe then you are delusional. Even the actual youkai characters don't bother trying to defend their actions.

>>20944054
There is no defending Yukari with "basic ethics" or "logic". I've spend years on this very site, and the only defense people ever had for her was "She youkai" and "But she has to do it otherwise youkai would die".

The former argument i've already ripped to shreds on this very thread. While the latter argument relies upon the complete 100% headcanon that youkai need to eat human flesh to survive. An idea with literally zero canon evidence. Negative evidence, in fact, considering it's been described as a want multiple times.

> I've spend years on this very site
I've spend months on this very site.
ftfy

>>20944245
Well, about two year. Which still technically counts.

Either way, I've yet to hear any defense of Yukari that's decent.

>>20944258
She's cute.

The end.

>about two year
You appeared on /vg/ knowing jackshit around... Now that I think about it. After HSiFS steam release. Oh wow. Touhou on steam actually had serious negative impact.

>>20944283
That's not a defense. That's a reason why you like her.

>>20944296
1: I've been in the Touhou fandom for years. 2: I'm pretty sure I was browsing on /vg/ a while before the steam release.

>>20944096
It’s ‘your’, not ‘you’re’.
>That's why we don't arrest serial killers.
The morals in Gensokyo aren’t 1:1 ours.
> She's a mass murdering sociopath.
You’re exaggerating a bit, aren’t you.
>If you seriously think that "She's a youkai, lol" is a serious defense either in or out universe then you are delusional.
In universe, Gensokyo is a land made for youkai. So it’s natural that youkai would be able to do their shit to some extent.
>Even the actual youkai characters don't bother trying to defend their actions.
Citation?
>>20944134
>The former argument i've already ripped to shreds on this very thread.
I wouldn’t say you ‘ripped to shreds’ anything.
>While the latter argument relies upon the complete 100% headcanon that youkai need to eat human flesh to survive.
It’s not like they need, but they still do have that desire.

>>20944318
She is cute therefore your wrong about everything you have said.

>>20944134
>I've spend years on this very site
And clearly none of it actually reading canon.

>I've been in the Touhou fandom for years
You definitely wasn't around old sites where they were still active. Combine that with fact that people were spoon-feeding you with the most basic knowledge I very seriously doubt that.

>>20944413
Every fucking time.

>>20944375
>The morals in Gensokyo aren’t 1:1 ours.
Which is a argument that they are worth anything because?

>You’re exaggerating a bit, aren’t you
She's killed thousands, and is a text book example of a sociopath.

>In universe, Gensokyo is a land made for youkai.
Why is this supposed to be a good thing, in universe? Do you seriously think we aren't supposed to root for anybody other than the youkai?

>So it’s natural that youkai would be able to do their shit to some extent.
Yes, it's natural that evil supernatural entities would be dicks if given the chance. How is that in any way positive?

>Citation?
I have yet to see any single example of a youkai defending their own actions. They just do what they want, without pretending to care about morality. They are, to put it simply, evil.

>I wouldn’t say you ‘ripped to shreds’ anything.
I mean, you are wrong. You try to talk about logic and ethics, but literally all of your arguments either defy logic and abhor ethics. But if you want to keep being delusional, then fine.

>It’s not like they need, but they still do have that desire.
Yes. And the fact that they choose to act on it, and Yukari helps them to act on it, makes them bad. Their existence is a active detriment to the world, this is a established fact.

>>20944434
I've read more canon than most of /jp/ combined.

>>20944465
I was around old sites back during 2011-2013. The Touhou fandom simply hadn't collectively shat itself so much that I was even remotely noticeable. If only because, back then, people actually understood that Yukari was freaking evil.

>>20944413
Still not a actual defense. She isn't even that cute, to be honest.

>>20944465
Also, what spoon feeding? I've had to spoon feed people literally so much crap that I actually have a word document with Touhou canon facts to speed up the entire thing.

>>20944470
I love that you have been pointing that out since I made the screencap.

>>20940407
>>20940423
ZUN ignores 99% of the stuff fans make, the only fan things he acknowledged was during the PC-98 /early Winblows era. Also I really, really doubt he appreciates his cutesy doll-like characters being sexualized.

The simple fact of the matter is that if you are a cute magical girl, you can do well in Gensokyo.
Otherwise you'll be youkai food or worship chattel.
Luckily for us, the main characters are the former so we can have a good time playing the games, reading the manga and books, and listening to the CDs.

>I've read more canon than most of /jp/ combined.
Well, you can't even read Japanese so I doubt that. Also what really matters in Touhou is how much you played.

>>20944506
Literally this, yet somehow Touhou fans still deny this as much as they can.

>>20944544
>Well, you can't even read Japanese so I doubt that
I read the translation. Don't try to pretend that most fans with knowledge of the lore don't do the same.

>Also what really matters in Touhou is how much you played.
1: I've played plenty. 2: When it comes to lore knowledge, no it doesn't.

In any case, you've once again made this about me rather than actually trying to defend Yukari. I know you can't, and I know that deep down inside you know that. But I do still wish you would try to come up with something better than "lol, she youkai". Like, could you at least try to argue why her being a youkai and acting like a youkai is a good thing? Because it's not, and Touhou is all about how it's not. In fact, it being a good thing that Youkai are changing and aren't simply evil monsters is one of the central themes of Touhou.

>>20944589
Your posts indicate you know very little about Touhou, but instead like to make things up about it. You also ignore when people point things out to you.

>>20944619
What part of his post is wrong then, fagget?

>>20944619
Just to be clear I think both sides are wrong. One, Yukari isn't a mass murdering psychopath, Two Yukari IS an evil being, but you're exaggerating, which makes you look retarded (and people denying that Yukari does bad things are also retarded, like "it's not for food" anon, even with a page showing that it's explicitly for food).

Complete idiots.

THIS IS A BUNBUNMARU BREAKING NEWS ALERT:

A NERD FIGHT HAS BROKEN OUT ON /JP/

DEVELOPING KEEP IT LOCKED IN HERE FOR MORE.

>>20944631
>his
Yeah, sure.

>I've played plenty
Show me.
>you've once again made this about me rather than actually trying to defend Yukari
Unless you didn't notice I never talked about Yukari.

>>20944640
That's not an argument. CLARIFY WHAT PART OF THAT POST IS WRONG OR GET THE FUCK OUT!

>>20944647
Wow.

>>20944657

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsPheErBj8

>>20944657
Don't post shitty, ugly western cartoon reaction images on /jp/ ever again.

>>20944619
>You also ignore when people point things out to you.
What have I ignored? No, seriously, point to examples.

>>20944636
>One, Yukari isn't a mass murdering psychopath,
You admit that she's evil. But you also don't want to call her a mass murderer, despite the fact she's killed a lot of people. Why?

>but you're exaggerating,
Again, how am I exaggerating? She is a mass murderer, and she is a textbook example of a sociopath.

>>20944644
>Show me.
How? I did most of it years ago. I cleared the Extra stage of EoSD, I can show you that.

>Unless you didn't notice I never talked about Yukari.
Oh, okay. Then why are you even bothering with this conversation.

>>20943152
>the context seems pretty obvious that they had special purpose there.
She says the purpose right there. You're confusing the OTHER objective. In Gensokyo, the zashiki warashi are spies looking for discontent. Outside, it's food. She says youkai need food from somewhere.

>how
You don't save replays or what?
>I cleared the Extra stage of EoSD
When?

>>20944674
>What have I ignored?
Your Eiki posts are all "I don't want to listen to facts, here's my opinions".

You're also exaggerating. End of story. Shut up now.

>>20944674
>You admit that she's evil. But you also don't want to call her a mass murderer, despite the fact she's killed a lot of people. Why?

Redditors are in denial that what these dipshits snarkily call "Grimsokyo" IS CANON because they only watched the fan anime and the fan porn, They have never once read the books or CD extras, which put it very clearly.

>>20944694
>You don't save replays or what?
I saved replays years agos. On computers and USB's that broke down.

>When?
Last year. I can show you that.

>>20944697
>Your Eiki posts are all "I don't want to listen to facts, here's my opinions".
What facts? I pointed out the fact that her advice was garbage, contradictory, and isn't going to make the world a better place. That she judged people for minor offenses rather than major crimes. And that the whole thing only makes sense if you assume that she's willing to give youkai a free pass with murdering people, but also not such a free pass that she still won't criticize them for incredibly minor offenses.

You want my actual opinion on Eiki? Here it is: She's fucking terribly written. What we learn about her later salvages her as a character, but in PoVF she comes across as unintentionally morally abhorrent and a massive hypocrite with a double standard.

>You're also exaggerating. End of story.
No, fuck off. If you want to argue that i'm exaggerating, then explain why. If Yukari kills a lot of people, then she is a mass murderer. That is what a mass murderer literally fucking means. You are willing to admit that 1: Yukari kills a lot of people. 2: That she is evil. So where the fuck am I exaggerating? The fact that I call her a sociopath?

>>20944711
The difference is context. As far as we know she's indirectly responsible for maintaining a fantasy world's functioning, and although youkai don't NEED to eat, keeping them satisfied so that they don't flip out and take precious villagers is necessary. The lives on her hands are two sorts: letting people she has no responsibility over die, and protecting people she can't afford to let die. To maintain fantasy in the modern age, measures must be taken. Reducing this to "psychopathy" or "sociopathy", ignoring her youkai nature, ignoring her intentions, all of this demonstrates a severe misunderstanding of Touhou. If Yukari was truly irredeemable, she wouldn't even possess ideals like she has.

>>20944737
>What facts?
See? This is what I mean. So don't blame people for dismissing you.

>>20944737
You really are stupid though. Maybe you should actually learn about how Gensokyo works, maybe then you'll see why Eiki is not a hypocrite. Her job is to maintain. You call it poorly written, I call it "you don't know how to read".

And more exaggeration. Damn, dude.

>>20944754
And this is what I mean when I talk about people not being able to argue me. Seriously, I just explained what I mean with "what facts?". Yet, somehow, you still pretend to just ignore everything I said. Because, deep down inside, you know you can't actually make a decent argument to save your life.

>>20944767
>Maybe you should actually learn about how Gensokyo works
I do know how Gensokyo works. That's why 1: i'm able to understand why Eiki's advice is shit. 2: I'm able to understand why maintaining Gensoyko is not an inherently good deed. 3: Why you are full of shit.

>Her job is to maintain.
...Where the fuck do you even get these kind of retarded ideas from? Eiki's job isn't to maintain Gensokyo. Her job is to judge people based on the amount of sins they committed in life. She doesn't give one fuck about Gensoyko, nor should she.

>And more exaggeration. Damn, dude.
Okay, i'm pretty sure you're just trolling here.

>>20944737
>she judged people for minor offenses rather than major crimes
>>20942270
>before I move on you need to also be aware that Eiki exaggerates explicitly to get people acting as best as they can to minimize the potential consequences after death
>sense if you assume that she's willing to give youkai a free pass with murdering people
Nature.
>>20942499
>If she somehow thinks it's okay for youkai to do it because of their nature. Then, not only is she a hypocritical bitch with a double standard. But any notions of her wanting people to be better is pure and utter nonsense
Humans don't have a bloodlust nature and need of fear, youkai do. The best human will be a good person. The best youkai will be fairly evil (this is simplifying it). Her job is to get people to play their roles properly so that society itself doesn't cease to be (which it would, because Gensokyo's balance is precarious; to function it needs youkai AND humans; this is said constantly). This is not hypocrisy, and you're a fucking idiot.
>not such a free pass that she still won't criticize them for incredibly minor offenses
Murder is what they do. Offenses beyond that are outside of the order of things, and thus dangerous not only for them, but for society as a whole. They could go to hell, society could collapse due to unbalance.
>What we learn about her later salvages her as a character, but in PoVF she comes across as unintentionally morally abhorrent and a massive hypocrite with a double standard.
She gives every person good advice, which you agreed with but said it was bad because she didn't criticize them for things YOU would criticize them for, or that it wasn't worth criticizing x because y would never change, like some retard. What sort of bullshit is that? You actually go over in your posts how often Eiki is right and essentially your biggest issues are that she's either "not right enough" or "WTF WHY ISN'T SHE JUDGING HUMANS AS GOOD OR EVIL/WHY IS SHE ENCOURAGING MODERATION THAT'S STUPID WHAT A HYPOCRITE".
>Where the fuck do you even get these kind of retarded ideas from? Eiki's job isn't to maintain Gensokyo.
>Ministry of Right and Wrong
>Shiki Eiki: Jurisdiction: Gensokyo
>Judge of Correctness and Incorrectness
>Death is the great equalizer. In the process of death, you are judged for your actions in life. Thus you are encouraged to lead a good life to avoid consequence in death.
>The punishments you could face in death are meant to dissuade you from acting poorly in life. Thus, through this enforcement, you should stay correct. In doing so balance is maintained.

>I do know how Gensokyo works
No you don't.
>i'm able to understand why Eiki's advice is shit
See?
>'m able to understand why maintaining Gensoyko is not an inherently good deed
SEE?
You still don't get that this isn't about good or evil. You're ignoring things like a dumb asshole.
>Why you are full of shit.
?

Bye.

>>20944748
>The difference is context.
There is no context that's going to justify mass murder, sorry.

>and although youkai don't NEED to eat, keeping them satisfied so that they don't flip out and take precious villagers is necessary.
Even if we assume that the only way to keep youkai satisfied is by eating human flesh. There is literally zero reason why she can't just steal dead bodies and feed the flesh to youkai. The fact that she is willing to resolve this problem in the way she does still makes her utterly morally abhorrent.

>letting people she has no responsibility over die, and protecting people she can't afford to let die.
Again, i've got a word for a ruler with that mentality. EVIL.

>To maintain fantasy in the modern age, measures must be taken
To maintain a place where youkai can murder people as they please, you mean. We know that alternatives exist to maintain fantasy without mass murder being involved. Yukari could be trying the same thing Byakuren is trying. She could try to spread legends about Youkai in the outside world. She could try to have youkai form a symbiotic relationship with humanity.

Pretending this is "the only choice she has" is not just stupid. It's downright contradicting canon. Which has plenty of youkai characters that did make a different choice, and are perfectly well off.

>Reducing this to "psychopathy" or "sociopathy"
Again, it's not reducing it to this. There is no complex morale choice that she has to struggle with. if it's simply a matter of keeping youkai from flipping out and eating villagers, then dead bodies should be sufficient. Yukari is abducting humans and having them die horribly in Gensokyo not because it's necessary. But because she likes this method.

Like, let's not ignore the fact that she also openly brags about keeping people in her home in PCB. Or the fact that her PMISS article implies that she attacks and murders outsiders. Certainly, you could argue that information is accurate. But it does show that a precedent for her just being a sociopath that enjoys murder exists.

>ignoring her youkai nature,
Not a excuse.

>ignoring her intentions
Why am I supposed to view her intentions as anything other than evil? Even if she just wants youkai to stick around, how does that make her even remotely sympathetic if that's going to come at the cost of lives?

>If Yukari was truly irredeemable, she wouldn't even possess ideals like she has.
Do you just not understand how villains work? Yukari's ideal of keeping fantasy around is, while somewhat self interested, not a bad one. It's shared by other characters, all of which go about it in a far better and more morale way. The reason why Yukari is irredeemable is because her methods are abhorrent. Story wise, she represents the dark side of the desire to keep fantasy around. The desire of ignorance, fear, and hatred to propagate itself through the fantastical, and take as many lives as possible in the process.

>On computers and USB's that broke down.
How convenient.
>Last year. I can show you that.
That is nice but anybody can grab random replay from the net. No my dude play the game now and share the replay. You don't even have to clear it or anything. I just want to see your playstyle. Or if you really mean that host PoFV. I may be rusty and I think I still got it. Of course if you want to warm up I can wait.

>>20944830
>Nature.
Again, she judges people all the time for their nature. The only reason why she seems to give youkai a pass in PoVF is probably just bad writing.

>Her job is to get people to play their roles properly so that society itself doesn't cease to be
It's not. It's literally fucking not. Stop confusing taoism with buddhism. One is about everybody doing what they are supposed to do, the other one is about judging sins and becoming a better person. Eiki is supposed to be a buddhist, not a taoist.

>This is not hypocrisy, and you're a fucking idiot.
Even if we're going to assume this is her job (again, it's literally not). Then let me ask you a different question: Why is this a good thing? What is bad about Gensokyo collapsing? Yes, some innocent people would die, but a great evil would permanently disappear as well. Why am I supposed to view Eiki as anything other than yet another malicious supernatural force with blood on her hands?

>Murder is what they do.
Again, why is this a good thing? Let's ignore any arguments about Eiki or her job. Why am I, as a reader, supposed to view this as a remotely good thing? Why am I not supposed to think that any person that would have a viewpoint like this is bad.

>You actually go over in your posts how often Eiki is right and essentially your biggest issues are that she's either "not right enough" or "WTF WHY ISN'T SHE JUDGING HUMANS AS GOOD OR EVIL/WHY IS SHE ENCOURAGING MODERATION THAT'S STUPID WHAT A HYPOCRITE".
Eiki is sometimes right, but she either brings it in a really stupid way or contradicts herself later.

>>Ministry of Right and Wrong
>Shiki Eiki: Jurisdiction: Gensokyo
>Judge of Correctness and Incorrectness
>Death is the great equalizer. In the process of death, you are judged for your actions in life. Thus you are encouraged to lead a good life to avoid consequence in death.
>The punishments you could face in death are meant to dissuade you from acting poorly in life. Thus, through this enforcement, you should stay correct. In doing so balance is maintained.
Where the fuck does it say that her job is to maintain Gensokyo? This, literally, flat out says the exact opposite. her job is to punish people that do bad deeds regardless of what you are or what you did in life.

>See?
Not a argument. Eiki's advice is shit. I've pointed out time and time again why.

>You still don't get that this isn't about good or evil. You're ignoring things like a dumb asshole.
It is about good and evil. That's why she wants people to do good deeds. It's why she fucking calls them "GOOD deeds". Is this really that hard to understand?

Seriously, where the fuck does the idea that Eiki maintains Gensokyo come from? Which part of your malnourished brain came up with that stupid fucking idea? Are you seriously this in denial about Gensokyo being a bad place that you just don't see the world like normal people do?

>>20944918
>How convenient.
It's more of a shame, really.

>Of course if you want to warm up I can wait.
I'm going to sleep soon. So, i'll do it tomorrow.

I'm not a wonderful player. So, i'm sure you're going to use it against me somehow. Since that's easier than actually coming up with a decent argument to beat my.

>>20944918
>How convenient.
It's more of a shame, really.

>Of course if you want to warm up I can wait.
I'm going to sleep soon. So, i'll do it tomorrow.

I'm not a wonderful player. So, i'm sure you're going to use it against me somehow. Since that's easier than actually coming up with a decent argument to beat mine.

>I'm not a wonderful player
And I said I don't care. I just want to see your routine or if you can at least get past Patche.

>>20944979
I can clear EoSD on Normal, no problem.

fuck off back to /vg/ you crossboarding, attentionwhoring moralfaggot.

be sure to reply to this with /v/ buzzwords too!

Huh, then show your stage 4. That should be done in 5 minutes

>>20944992
>moralfaggot
I thought moralfag was dead. Don't we use cuck now?

>>20945054
"we" certainly do not use that shitty word here

>>20944992
>Moralfagot.
Weren't you trying to defend Eiki by claiming she just wants to help people become a better person? Or was that somebody else?

>>20945054
No. Out.

>>20944998
I'm going to sleep now. I'll take care of it, first thing in the morning. If the thread is down by then, I'll make a thread on /jp/ and then post it there.

Don't bother. I don't care. It's not really hard to make "hey guys help, I need x clear asap to blown the fuck out some faggot on jay" request.

>>20945143
Ugh, fine. Then i'll just do it now. Fuck you for ruining my sleep. Would you at least mind telling me how exactly I can link the replay right now?

"f-fanservice/hentai/ecchi is bad!"
t. impotent pseudo-int niggas

>>20945164
I agree with your point, but you expressed it poorly. As for them, they might be justice warriors of some kind.

>>20944662
おい天狗

lol internet

>>20945183
Paladin it is then.

>>20945206
i love kunny i wanna sniff her feet

Stop spamming penises, faggots.

>>20945356
let the spammer kill this shitty thread instead

Welp, I tried. Managed to make it to Remilia before dying. I would post the replay, but since nobody tells me how i'm just going to sleep.

If you still give a fuck, i'll post it tomorrow..

>>20945212
I want to make a mask with Koakunny's used socks!

I can't find the Japanese fandubs for the recent episodes. Did they just stop doing them?

Whoever that gal is that did the early fandubs of practically all the characters was fantastic. Especially Marisa, that goofball tomboyish voice is exactly how I imagined her to sound

>>20942219
Yukari probably has a body count high enough to make Genghis Khan uncomfortable

>>20945682
Nice headcanon dude.

>>20946536
It's canon. Don't try to deny it.

>>20947302
Curb your shitposting now.

>>20931760
>Why does Yukari have an umbrella in the bath.
It's raining you doofus.

wow this thread is just amazingly terrible, classic moralfag
think I might watch this anime though

>>20947327
Only if you curb your denial.

>>20945667
>Whoever that gal is that did the early fandubs of practically all the characters was fantastic.

Link to said fandub pls.

>>20947448
no u

>>20948119
which character is that again

>>20948159
Go back to /vg/

How did you guys even know that this dude is from /vg/? Seems to me all of you faggots should fuck off from /jp/.

>>20948119
I have no denial. I understand canon Touhou.

Gensokyo is shit. The Youkai sages are villains. The sooner you learn to accept this the better it will be.

>>20948159
Just Chiruno in a fancy outfit.

I dunno what the fuck is going on in this thread but I just want to say that the end of episode 11 teasing the IN Extra stage was fucking great

>>20944951
I don't get why you think Eiki's advice to Reisen is so bad. Eiki says that being a soldier is terrible but Reisen fleeing was still a pretty bad thing to do even though it was better than staying a soldier. Abandoning her comrades wasn't so bad though that she couldn't make up for it in some way. The issue was that Reisen hadn't tried to rectify it and instead she was goofing off instead of doing some good deeds to offset her bad ones.

>>20952021
Please, amongst the quantum tangle of fuzzy logix that make up the cumulative idea of the artificial beings called *called Reisen* could you go into detail...i'll give you fuckin' brain freeze hungry phantom of the southern borderlands. >Watch & warrant.

>>20925973
I don't know why this got posted but clearly it doesn't belong on /jp/

>>20955834
Such vast sexual insights! Ha.

you people are way too obsessed over this

like get a grip, its a fanmade animation, treat it as such, holy shit

>>20955887
Isaac, why are you posting in this place?

Are we being raided or something?

>>20955984
Some new anonymous tried to projecting old debunked concept of moral in fantasy town of west project.
TL;DR Some retarded newfag moralfag spread his shit over whole thread.

GHOST NIPPLES

>>20948159
it's Kurumi of course

>>20947327
you first

>2hu anime thread
>238 replies
Good job /jp/

>>20959193
most of it is a retarded greentexting shitfest sparked by one idiot

>>20924286
too bad her filthy unwashed tail smells of shit

>>20959672
don't you mean your mouth?

>>20959672
This.

I think the designs are pretty sexy and the animation is pretty good for what amounts to a high budget fan animation. Some of the characterization is a little bit wobbly compared to the established canon, and seems to draw from "safe" fandom depictions. Largely, it's fun and I like it for what it is, and don't expect much more out of it.

I liked Reimu v Sakuya a lot.

>>20959672
>>20963418

do you guys go out into the field and smell foxes butts? that is really what you would need to do to know this. if you are a trapper you can't rely on the condition of dead things because they tend to shit before they die

>>20959672
No, it doesn’t. Ran-shama washes it carefully every day.

>>20952021
1: Why is it a bad deed in general if Eiki thinks being a soldier is terrible? You can't say "Being a soldier is bad" and "deserting is bad" without coming across as completely unreasonable. 2: How the fuck is Reisen supposed to rectify it anyway? She's just one bunny, not somebody that can start a war of liberation to free her bunny kind. 3: Why the fuck is deserting a sin, period? Reisen was basically enslaved and used as cannon fodder. Her running away is as much of a sin as a slave running away from a farm.

>>20924255
Below shit tier

>>20966056
All this whining and bullshit. It really reads like "baww, you can't improve yourself, what horse shit!" You're actually pathetic.

>>20966335
You haven't actually answered any of my points. I have nothing against self improvement, just Eiki.

>>20966056
Underground Railroad for 100, Trebec.

So is memories of phantasm good or not?

>>20971623
Yeh

>>20971623
Neh

>>20971623
No.

>>20941841
>GNU/Reimu and not ReiGNU
Come on now

>>20971623
Nes

>>20925421
BUILT

>>20976707
FOR

>>20976722
HONK

>>20976864
ING THOSE RIPE MILKERS

Best Phantasm OP:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El-FVusBv_M

>>20926269
you don't know English