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>>20868134
I want to have Elesia-pan for breakfast every morning!

>>20868223
You lost me.

Uryuu and caster had the closest and purest bond between any servant and master

>>20868284
I just love French Bread, that's all.

Since FSN is divided into 3 games, does this mean i can’t go into the UBW route from the first game even if I follow the flow chart?

>>20868574
Yep, the choices to get there won't be available.

>>20868705
>>20868713
I don't play FGO, so I'm curious. Does it have any normal characters like Fate and Tsukihime had? Like people who aren't super special snowflakes that can destroy a planet? One of my biggest issues with post-FSN TM works is that Nasu increasingly got rid of people who weren't power houses. I don't know if FGO is any different but from what I can tell everyone seems super special.

>>20868807
Part 2 has Meuniere, a normal chaldea staff member that likes traps.

>>20868807
FGO is by far the worst TM work so far in balancing human characters with special snowflakes and Servants. Part 1 has practically none, just some forgettable side characters in a couple of singularities. Part 2 has a couple of regular guys who do stick around, so it's slightly improved, but still sucks.

>>20868134
Shouldn't it be baguette-senpai because she is French?

>>20868807
GO has not only far too many characters but also fails to make any characters really well developed at all.
Characters are literally able to be summarized in a single song.
All of these problems are exclusively due to the mobage format.

>>20868898
>>20868963
>>20869198
I see. Thanks. Just curious.

>>20868807
yeah i have that problem with the newer stuff too, mostly just because if everyone's so special it feels like no one is

i mean Arturia for instance, her being a female ruler that is, seemed to be a pretty big deal to her, but now everyone and their Mom is a female ruler.

>>20868807
>who aren't super special snowflakes that can destroy a planet?
I can't think of anyone who can destroy a planet in FGO main cast

>>20870255
I guess they were generalizing.

>>20870305
Just like the rest of the Fate/GO h8rs.

>>20870408
Was that supposed to be hitting a nerve?
You could replace destroying a planet with simply everyone being really stupid strong.

>>20870255
New Chaldea >> Old Chaldea

>>20870427
>really stupid strong
You mean Marisbilly i guess ?

>>20870429
The mechanics of how it works are no different.
It is still a bullshit facility.

>>20870438
Not just him.

>>20870427
It wasn't but I'm glad it did. Now keep generalising.

>>20870449
Uhh, you seem to be misreading.
I was referring to it hitting your nerve.

>>20870429
Da Vinci got downgraded and Holmes sucks, but overall the main cast of Part 2 is more enjoyable than Part 1.

>>20870470
I see. Sorry, but I'm daijoubu, it's just easy to see all the weightless generalisations being tossed about here.

>>20870477
I guess this is what happens when I defend posts by other people.
You get the point they were getting at.
No need for specifics, far less semantics.

>>20870474
Holmes looks like he's been hanging around Limehouse 'getting specific narcotic supplies' there. Da Vinci will take a bit of getting used to.

>>20870440
No. I was talking about Chaldea's current staffs are more enjoyable than the old staffs

>>20870442
So, anybody else ?

>>20870496
I knew you ere talking about the staff, and that is better since they actually developed them now.
Doesn't change the facility being a deus ex machina.
And there is a very long list of power people, that much needs no mention.

>>20870509
>the facility being a deus ex machina.
All thanks to Moneybills

>>20870518
Yes, now an actual explanation for how the facility came to be would be nice.
To be honest with what it is capable of doing, involvement by a Magician is the only way it does not seem like an asspull.

>>20870527
About Rayshift process or Chaldeas ?
Anyway Marisbilly might be Beast VII

>>20870531
Both, and him being a Beast would also be an acceptable explanation.

>>20870542
>Rayshift process
1. Once the Subject enters the Coffin, the All Parameter of the Master Candidate will be analyzed and defined
2. Through the use of magic, the candidate will be in a state of a Schrodinger's Cat (Living but Dead Box), making the Master Candidate's life status as "Unknown"
3. Begin Process of Pseudo Spiritron Dismantlement. By using all available energy source in Chaldea, the Coffin calculates and analyzes the Body, the History of the Master Candidate, the relations to Causality and etc. The Coffin will then form an imaginary formula to hold up the candidate's history in place.
4. Using the CHALDEAS Function as a Map of Pan History that can last as much as 100 Years from the present day, the coffin will analyze situation of the era of the Rayshift. And once it is complete, it will engage in Spiritron Projection of the Master Candidate
5. Once the Spirtron of the the Master Candidate have fully completed the Rayshift, the Coffin will block itself from the outside world.
6. The Master will materialize in the era of the Rayshift. Usually falling from the sky.

Chaldeas is currently uncleared, but it is the key factor of Rayshift process and was created with both science + the Animusphere's magecraft (Sion can't even create something like Chaldeas, so new Chaldea can't Rayshift to Lostbelt). The reason why Marisbilly joined the HGW is literally because of Chaldeas too (it was already built in 1990, but couldn't activate due to the lack of budget and fuel until 2004). Anyway, i think it will be mentioned more in further lostbelts, since Kirei/Rasputin suggested that the invasion could only begin after Chaldeas being destroyed.

What do we think about the additions to the Nasuverse recently?

>read mahoyo
>"in general, modern magic is only capable of bypassing the workload and time needed to achieve something."

>>20870597
the FGO stories got slightly interesting once they stopped being just about servants dicking about

ignoring the tenets of mobage, EoR (minus agartha) and part 2 chapters are pretty decent

is there room for improvement? you bet

What's up with the increase in FGO defenders here lately? I mean, discuss the story by all means, I just have to wonder if people who actually enjoy that trash decided to come here cause /fgog/ is getting worse than ever.

>>20870933
Occasional people from elsewhere who hear about /tmg/, pretty much.
Thankfully not all of them are passive-aggressive.

>>20870767
Yes, that is why the only things which are impossible to replicate physically are Magic.

Hey /tmg/, I didn't like the Kara no Kyoukai movies. It was correct, not much more.

Should I try Type-Moon VNs ? I played a bunch of VN before(umineko, rewrite...)but I have never tried something from the franchise.
Nor I have watched any of the animes.

Is it different from the movies ? And if I am to start a VN, I should start with Tsukihime, right ?

Thanks.

I beat the Fate route, but I don't really want to play UBW or Heaven's Feel because Saber's end is too bittersweet. Can I just go straight to Hollow Ataraxia to spend more time with Saber?

>>20871090
she's in the other routes too you know.
you wouldn't understand shit in ataraxia

>>20871090
I remember I felt the same way when I finished Saber's route when I finished it something like 8 years ago. I ended up being fairly indifferent towards Saber after awhile, though. The other two routes are much, much better.

I still feel like nasu peaked at heavens feel.
people really suck CCCs dick for some reason, but playing through it I was just reminded of how much I prefer HF every 10 minutes.

>>20868807
Kadoc here's probably a shittier magus than HA Shirou.

>>20871090
People like you are annoying.
Saber has plenty of great moments in the latter routes, which are both far better than Fate.
I mean come on, the side characters in Fate are actually more interesting.

>>20871142
That isn't Mahoyo.
Or SLH if we are talking about a singular sequence.

>>20871172
I can't rate mahoyo highly because it's fucking obvious there was going to be more to it.

it's the same problem I have with mgsV

>>20871210
Not him but I don't agree with that mindset in either of those cases. Mahoyo is a great VN and MGSV is a great game, regardless of what would've come after.

>>20871153
To be fair, Ritsuka is even shitter than Kadoc as a magus

>>20871153
To be fair, Ritsuka is even shittier than Kadoc as a magus

How strong is taiga-sensei?

>>20871153
He was pretty smart though.
>I'm from a young lineage, so I'll probably nerf most servants.
>Summons a Caster, since those can build alternate ways to supply their own mana
>Also, since I don't have to worry about mana now...
>Summons an Avenger while at it.

>>20871635
Kadoc is not stupid at all, but his inferior feeling is too huge and he doesn't believe in himself. Tbh Ana + Kadoc's plan to take the Lostbelt King position wasn't that dumb, and he can convince other people to be his allies pretty well

>>20871849
Kadoc would have been the MC of another story, I really can sympathize with his butthurt.
Would have liked to see his journey if he'd been given the proper chance, or if he were the player character rather than (you). It would have been a much more interesting story to be sure.

>>20871142
>>20871210
Why is Heaven's Feel considered to be Nasu's peak?

>>20872248
because, have you seen what we released afterwards?

>>20872248
>Nasu's peak
>not Unlimited Blade Works

>>20872248
Lots of edge, which is secretly his specialty
An actually good romance
A strong message that’s more impactful and relatable than the messages of the other routes

>>20872499
You were saying, UBW baby?

>>20872248
>protagonist has lots of development
>stakes are high, the villains are interresting
>good climax and ending

>>20872664
>tfw KOTOMINE KIREIIIIII vs emiya is my favorite moment in all of FSN
>i like the themes and the true end of UBW more
I can't decide.

>>20872248
Because the atmosphere of dread and mystery makes it more like Tsukihime, but with good production values.

I want to marry ORT.

>>20871142
Heaven feel would have been the peak if it didn't kill characters left and right every four seconds. Seriously, it's kind of ridiclous how quickly and easily most of the cast dies.

>>20873527
Do you have the gland?

>>20868807
Nobody of main Chaldea cast is some world ending Mary Sue/Gary Stu. Most of the (now named) staff are like the lowest of Chaldea officers because the sabotage in part 1 killed most of the higher ups leaving the non magical head of medical care as the top ranking officer.

They were just in the background until recently (but get more fleshed out in Other Material) which is fucking waste because it'll be amazing to see how a group of 20s then half of that normalfags work their asses to save the world. Murriere is the one who gets more screentime of the mooks.

Then is the directors:
Olgamarie and Marisbury are definitely weird. Marisbury is so wanked that at this point is impossible for the guy not to be the main enemy mastermind and Beast of the End, because every time a human gets this amount of wank by Nasu is to set them up as Something Big (Zepia and Sion are competent and are DAA in some worlds, Kiara is a Beast, Manaka is also a Beast, etc). They are mostly dead in backstory or started dead.

Gordolf meanwhile is ok-ish walking food joke with good racing skills, so pretty normal.

Rest of staff: Crypters and Lev outed themselves after their intro as enemies, so even if powerful (except Kadoc) they don't count.

Chaldea had two very powerful Servants as 'staff', those are Solomon and Galahad, but both nerfed themselves. One became a normal average human without magic, Roman, and Galahad joined Mashu (until part 1 ending) which means she could not do most of his shit until the end when she gets DETERMINATION. She's massively nerfed now and only power up by a mystic code Ortheanus.

The other Chaldea servants that are actual story characters (and not cameo helpers) are: Da Vinci, Holmes, and Captain (probably Nemo) while Da Vinci is powerful she and Captain are more fit for the tech field than anything battle oriented. Holmes is pretty useless, most of the time his infodumping is mistaken or redherrishly and when he has the 'answer' (outside events and minor shit) he's taken out or doesn't tell it for Reasons.

Ritsuka is a normalfag who doesn't even know a single healing spell, and relies on empathy and negotiation (and some dumb impulsive actions) to win over the Servants on his/her side. The best worst Master and humanity only hope.

Oh and there's Fou, the team pet, who is Beast IV unawaken (also called Primate Murder in other worlds). But he usually doesn't/can't do shit yet. He's every fond of Chaldea though and everyone keeps trashing his nest.

>>20870429
Old Chaldea > Nu one
like there's still more fanart and doujins coming out of old one and barely anything of new one unless a LB is out. The players aren't very fond of it. The new potted plant also looks like shit. The Shadow Border setting was at least more bearable than this fake shittier Chaldea.

I find the staff fleshed in stage and manga/Lost room better than whatever Murriere is. I think the problem is new Da Vinci, Sion, Holmes. Gordolf would have been ok, but those are kind of talking heads without substance. Old Da Vinci had lke some gravitas, this one acts like generic genki infodumper without any her her family like affection.

It just looks excessive to have THREE characters dedicated to infodump Nasulore and little else.

>>20873527
DAYBIT, bad servant DAYBIT!

>>20874013
>Ritsuka is a normalfag who doesn't even know a single healing spell, and relies on empathy and negotiation (and some dumb impulsive actions) to win over the Servants on his/her side. The best worst Master and humanity only hope.
To be fair, midway through part 1 he had learned basic spells like healing, gandr and enhancements for servants as seen in some scenes/events. By Part 2 he kept making use of his (limited knowledge) like how he kept boosting Mash in the first fight against Sigurd

>>20874051
Part 2 confirms Guda doesn't know any spells, he/she simply uses mystic codes efficiently. They did learn self-defense and fighting and is very athletic in every instance after all the running around and training.

>>20874046
Fuck off /fgog/ shitter.
People have wanted to fuck ORT-tan long before Lostbelt.

>>20873758
>>20873527

ORT and Daybit are gonna be LB7 love story.

>>20873644
That's part of what makes it great, anon, makes you realize very quickly that shit is going wrong, in a very unnatural way. Everyone who dies already had already had their moments to shine.

>>20874068
oh
>>20874076
Fucked up how the Beofag pointed that they mentioned an alien microorganism crashing in mesoamerica being the origin of their gods. If ORT has any chances to appear, it will be in LB7

>>20870509
The facility is a deus ex machina because
>Marisbilly
Nasu still hasn't even explained the simulator Chaldea had that replicated a perfect virtual world. Like Marisbilly made his own Mooncell for kicks. This flies under the radar and NOBODY ASKS THE FUCK HOW.

The AI can even gain sentience and feelings there if messed around. Like the other anon said, it's 99.9% likely he's the Last Beast because Nasu loves the whole 'twist' about the ones who make the thing MC was part of being the bad guys.

>>20874098
>the Beofag
Why don't you just go back to your containment board?

>>20870571
Chaldeas was in a mysterious location (Nasu redacted it) and it was moved out to Chaldea base according to Lostroom.
Also Seraphics connected with rayshifting experiments which displaced people into the future in CCC event. Chaldea facility couldn't do that but Seraphics could. BB used the Seraphics machines instructed by a heroic survivor to get Ritsuka there.
Also implied could shift people not just on singularity but transported Seraphics turned into a Singularity on the actual future.

I've never liked Moneybills too either and how's he's such a super duper mega hyper keikakumaster capable of pulling in so much bullshit with just money somehow.

>>20874088
I don't know. I feel the other routes did a much better job of giving every character something to do. In HV, about half of the servants basically die as a afterthought.

>>20874280
I get that it's not for everyone, but to me the way so many of them are disposed of, without even getting a chance to fight, is part of what made the route so distinctive.

>>20874088
>>20874088
I don't know. I feel the other routes did a much better job of giving every character something to do. In HF, about half of the servants basically die as a afterthought.

>>20874288
That's fair, I suppose. It just... feels kind of lazy to me. Like Nasu basically realized he didn't really have anything to do for these characters so he just killed them off as soon as possible. It feels like somebody going down a checklist, rather than a well crafted attempt at raising the stakes.

The other routes KIND of had that. But almost every character at least got some kind of moment to shine, even if that was often just to get killed afterwards. In HF it's basically just the plot going "Welp, him dead". Made worse by the fact that it's the final route.

>>20874303
Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more on this. What use would it be to bring back the same characters, who already had their climactic, character-defining moments, just for the sake of more fight scenes? HF is lengthy enough as it is, all of its time was much better spent on the characters that mattered.

>>20874313
It's not so much about bringing back characters who already did a lot of stuff in other routes and giving them a actually satisfying send off. I mean, Caster in Fate and Hercules/Kotohime in UBW also got screwed over hard. But at least their deaths were actually somewhat narratively satisfying. Lancer killing Kotohime is a great moment for his character. As is Gilgamesh obliterating Caster just when she seems to be winning.

Most of the deaths in HF just aren't like that. They just kinda die anticlimactically after having done next to nothing . Like I said, it feels like Nasu was going down a checklist.

>>20874366
Both of those examples you listed are characters getting killed off with very little development/screentime, because Nasu favored developing the person who kills them in that specific route (Lancer killing Kotomine, in particular, is his "big moment" for the whole VN). It's the exact same thing he does to build up True Assassin, while creating a greater sense of unease than ever before. There's nothing wrong with it, in fact, one of FSN's greatest strengths is making use of the 3 route structure.
Agree to disagree, I suppose.

>>20874366
>Kotohime

>>20874378
>>20874378
I don't think that's a fair comparison. Both characters still got a decent amount of screentime and development in the few scenes they had before they got killed. And again, their deaths in themselves where were very significant and had some actual impact. I actually felt something rather than just "Welp, him dead".

It's not really the same for True Assassin. Who doesn't really get much of a chance to be much of a character anyway. Him killing Caster doesn't leave any impact expect "Wow, that was surprisingly easy".

I mean, obviously. I can certainly understand you're view.

>>20874416
For some reason I always misspell his name. Blame this board for making me think of Touhou, I guess.

Aaaaah, Aoko...

>>20874440
It's been far too long.

They die "anti-climatically" to show The Shadow, Zouken, and True Assassin as a believable threat. How will they get out of this when there's a keikakumaster behind everything controlling a Servant one-kill button? There's no sense of dread and helplessness otherwise. They got their development in the other routes, not everyone can have a chance in the spotlight all the time, nor can everyone always be saved as Alter tells you.

>>20874686
You can make those characters a credible threat without having anybody die anticlimactically. It happened in the other two routes.

>>20868077
Why is Arc just letting Shiki get away with doing that?

>>20875128
They're good friends.

>>20874075
>>20874076
>>20873527
Too sad Godo!Mashu will kill him soon

>>20874099
>Chaldea had that replicated a perfect virtual world. Like Marisbilly made his own Mooncell for kicks.
You mean Chaldeas or what ? Because its function and Mooncell's function are different

>>20874125
Yeah. The mysterious location was written as XXXXXXX, which somehow fits アメリカ合衆国 means USA in japanese (but i believe it refers to a specific place, not a whole country).
Anyway, that location might be related to the secret basement in Area 51. Given by the notes of a researcher in 2016 (LB1 outro), they focus on aliens and "have to continue their vigil and medical care of this unknown lifeform, which resembles the root of a tree". And this underground facility's design very very resembles Chaldea.

>>20874169
>capable of pulling in so much bullshit with just money somehow.
No. Marisbilly had pulled so much bullshit before he joined the HGW (Chaldea, Seraphics, nuclear reactor, LAPLACE, FATE, HS possession unit,...were all completed before 2004). Marisbilly needed money for Chaldeas (built in 1990, activated in 2004) as soon as possible since he knew he would die in 10 years later. Also don't forget that his theory had always been looked down by the Clock Tower too.

>>20876249
That is true, thanks for the reminder. Honestly, that makes it even worse.

>Also don't forget that his theory had always been looked down by the Clock Tower too.
And of course everyone else and their mom had to look down upon him because god-forbid magus are not retarded for once, on top of all that, he's gotta be some sort of retarded "underdog" somehow despite all he's accomplished.

I think something else that annoys me about him is that he's been a complete non-character so far, only a glorified plot-device to make the story run. Every other human that gets wanked super hard are actual characters in-story while, well, he's just backstory.

>>20876319
Oh don't worry, in part 2 Nasu will surely come up with some reason for rerarded GOfags to fawn over over him like they do with Roman, but even worse.

Which FSN route had the best villains?

>Fate
Kotomine and Gil
>UBW
Caster, Archer and Gil
>HF
Zouken and True Assassin

>>20877900
Fate
Especially after going through fate zero

Zouken was just sad, his defeat was not in any way uplifting, he served instead to show just how fucked up the circumstances of the grail war actually are. The true villain was angra mainyu who didn’t really have a will of its own.
Gilgamesh in UBW was good but he really stooped low, kind of hurt his character as a whole.

>>20878117
Gil in UBW is so clowny it's actually funny. Especially in retrospect after so many years of Gilwank from Nasu. I wonder if he had intended him to come across as thoroughly pathetic as he did in UBW - even in HF, where his death takes like 10 seconds, he still had more dignity.

>>20877900
>Zouken and True Assassin
Hey.

>>20878117
What do you mean by 'uplifting'? Furthermore, why do you see that as an important aspect? What's wrong with Angry Manjew not having a will of its own?

That aside, Kotomine and Gil are basically non-entities in Fate. It has a arc-like structure in which the role of main villain changes hands from Shinji to Illya then with a break until Caster shows up and it's then passed to Gil for the last couple days.

>>20877589
whose the artist

>>20877900
Kotomine is also a villain in Heaven's Feel so HF wins.

>>20878539
The defeat of a villain should have a redeeming value to it. Zouken dying just felt so useless. He had died a long time ago and was clinging to life miserably, and he died as a worm slithering in the dirt. There’s no great message to be felt here, we can only look at the situation with disgust and pity zouken for his mad obsession. Angra mainyu not having a will makes it impossible to sympathize with it. Villains should be evil but we must also be able to know why they think the way they do and what compels them. Angra mainyu is just a mindless destruction machine to be put down. Now when you consider that heaven’s feel is supposed to have this general sense of a single couple fighting against the world itself for its happiness, it’s fine that there’s really no strong central antagonist, but I would not call zouken and angra mainyu good villains by any means.

The fight between Gilgamesh and kotomine perfectly encapsulated the central struggle of saber and shirou’s life, and by overcoming those people who were their foils the truth of their beliefs became evident. Gilgamesh and kotomine met them with beliefs of their own as well, but they were crushed simply because they were in the wrong and saber and shirou were in the right. It was a great ending to the route.

>>20878699
Saber went into the console and turned on god mode, that's all

post supports

>>20878699
I don't really agree with any of that. Zouken's death was his comeuppance for torturing Sakura. The smug way she bites back after ten years of abuse is about as cathartic as it can get, especially when, at that point in time, she's still going to do what he wants anyways. His character is resolved when he has a vision of Justeaze and is reminded of why he wanted the Grail. Whether his death is pitiful or not, I find satisfaction in the newfound clarity.

There are a few different ways to look at Angra Mainyu. One is a straightforward rape-baby in a dysfunctional family. Another barely involves Sakura at all, that being the concept of 'evil'. I find it hard to see All the World's Evils as the World Itself, though. What I like about it is that it's a pure symbol lacking in any personification. It's the epitome of Shirou's goal given shape. After all, a character vs. another character is just one of many different types of conflict.

Kotomine's relationship to Shirou is indirect by comparison. He acts as a foil because his has the opposite goal and world view and basically wants to believe that evil doesn't exist so he can believe in himself. Shirou's final battle in Fate is immature and only scratches the surface of their relationship. That's also important and deliberate, but still incomplete. Gilgamesh is written entirely around the Shirou x Saber romance. There were a few neat lines about the mud, but her change of heart barely had anything to do with Gilgamesh. In fact, I would say the Fate villains were more secondary to the leads than in any other route. It was all about Avalon and the formation of an ego.

To me, wanting a particular thing from a story-telling device is limiting. Why exactly do you say there should be redeeming value or have a great message? Something can be thought-provoking without trying to deliver a specific idea.

>>20879001
A villain is fundamentally a story device. They differ from just an antagonist in that the reader is supposed to view them as an unsatisfactory presence. I believe if a work is going to include a clear villain, they should have them represent the antithesis to the main message of the story. Without this, the message becomes diluted and spread out. You bring up good points about zouken, but both zouken and angra mainyu don’t really feel like people as much as very base and primitive evil desires given form. Zouken as a character is ruled by one obsession, but this obsession is something that evolved only from his state of slow decay. Angra mainyu too is not really a villain but rather a product of its environment, and it merely fulfills the function it was given, to be all the world’s evils. They both are lacking in their own intentions and even spirit. Now don’t get me wrong, I think heavens feel is fantastic but only because of these very generalized themes you mentioned. However this is an argument about the best villains, and kotomine and Gilgamesh are both far more compelling in this role for me.

>>20876147
I mean the simulator where they even hold Nerofes.

>>20879051
Dude, that reading of Zouken is dead wrong. Even before his soul started to decay, he pursued the Grail for the sake of immortality. He acted out of compassion for humanity and a desire to see them evolve. As he continued to pursue this, time caused him to lose sight of not what, but why. And again, Kotomine is barely even a character until HF and there is still Shinji and Sakura's roles to consider.

More importantly, what do you mean by 'message' and how are you able to distinguish when something is supposed to be seen as an unsatisfactory presence?

>>20876319
He will be the final boss. They are not even showing his design while they show the designs of npcs who died after two scenes. The fact he killed Kotomine is foreshadowing of villain hiarchy.

>>20878668
https://twitter.com/oO_kiku_rage_

>>20879143
God I want to play with Arc's fluffy hair

>>20879134
His desire was corrupted until it was a desire to seek immortality just out of simple fear. Everything act of evil he does is only a product of that simple desire to live. It’s hardly compelling, and killing him feels more like putting a dying man out of his misery than overcoming a force of evil that stands in your way.

That’s why I said kotomine in fate was good if you had already played fate zero. But even regardless of that, we know well enough that he’s a twisted man who lies and derives pleasure from other’s pain. We don’t know why, but that’s not what Fate is about. The routes message is becoming a hero, and a hero does not need to consider why the evil became evil, only that the evil is something that must be defeated at all costs. You can call it shallow but as a villain kotomine and gilgamesh acted exactly as they needed to. Whether you came in from zero and are looking to see them reach the end of their arcs, or you are going to zero having known what happens in fate, the result is overall a plus to their characters.

>>20876319
>underdog
Atlas had deals with him and Sion speaks high of Marisbury. The Clocktower being retarded isn't to anyone's surprise.

Which master would win the highest percentages of times if you locked each of the zero and stay night masters inside a personal hell and forced them to fight the grail war endlessly and with randomized servant classes?

>>20880035
Separating by series, or mixing Zero with SN? Does Bazett count?
Shirou is a wild card, but Kotomine and Kiritsugu have the highest combat ability of them all (besides Bazett), and would probably get consistent wins. This is also assuming Kayneth is as he was when he attacked the Einzbern castle, with only his mercury ball as a weapon (it's a bit hard to talk about his power level with mystic codes we don't even know about).

>>20880465
I mean every master stuck in their own individual hell forced to find against rng masters over and over again

Is there anything known of Olga's mother?

>>20880656
Currently not. But i saw some JP fans said maybe she is the reason why Marisbilly had the contract of Atlas

>>20880656
Currently not. But iirc some JP fans said maybe she was the reason why Marisbilly had the contract of Atlas

i'm starting tsukihime for the first time. should i use the original version or a "revamped" version and do i play normal tsukihime or the "plus disc" version

>>20881676
Sion doesn't mention anything regarding Marisbury's wife, only he approached them.

I'm seeing a lot of speculation Olga's a test tube/homunculus/experiment because Marisbury was probably on his 60s when she was like 11. It does look odd for a mage to marry and sire a kid so old. Olga's lack of "praise" as a child would be explained by a lack of mother too.

>>20882126
>Sion doesn't mention anything regarding Marisbury's wife, only he approached them
I know, i just said some headcanon/theory by jp fans.
>Marisbury was probably on his 60s when she was like 11
What ? It was stated in Case Files ?

>>20882145
Olga is 11 on 2004 yeah, and is under the care of what's her face who dies.
I'm only saying he should be in his 60s because he started his activities for Chaldea during the 50s.

>>20882153
>what's her face who dies.
Trisha ?

>>20883602
Yeah, I forgot her name.

ciel

so what about nasu's writing do you guys like?

>>20885542
He has written some great characters, though clearly his archetypes are getting derivative these days.
His concepts are hit or miss for me, I'd personally modify plenty of mechanics.
Stories are decent, it is ideas which people can come up with from them which is a key strength.

>>20885542
If anything I'd say he has a freakishly good talent for depicting the emotions of pain. I found shirou to be much more inspiring than any other shounen-esque protagonist because of this fact alone. His willpower can really shine through because of it. This talent of Nasu's may have never really been tapped into fully though, the edgiest he's ever written was heaven's feel and some of the far side routes of tsukihime, but you can see it in the bad ends all the time, he's pretty damn good at it.

>>20885542
Cute heroines and batshit insane protagonists.
Spooky cities as settings.

It's time to wake up, /tmg/-sama.

I saw a movie I think.

>>20887444
Did you like it?
I loved the camrip.

>>20887447
I thought it was really good! There were some great animation cuts and interesting directional choices. I'm not a fan of Yuki Kajiura's score for these films, though.

>>20887352
But Hisui, you're dead

>>20887483
loot

Now that I think about, Extra's lore really ruined many things.
Especially Extella.

>>20888112
Example(s) ?

>>20887587
A captive audience?

>>20888133
All the ayy shit, there was no need to add
>muh alien shit which is ancient to ancients
cliche.
So many series do it and it is so shit every time.

>>20888254
It's fun for me though

>>20888271
How it affects the backstory of all sorts of myths and religions isn't at all.

>>20888254
wachu talkin bout willis?

>>20887587
I assume Saber has fused with her lion.

Shiki's harem:
Mikiya
Tomoe
Lio

Mikiya's harem:
Shiki
Kirie
Fujino
Azaka
Mana

We need another Nasu story with two protagonists, where they get equal amounts of screentime. It's a shame he got away from that format.

>>20888254
The Nasuverse was always like that, though.

>>20889644
Notes was, but that was in the future.

>>20889651
The True Ancestors are moon people and so does Extra.

>>20889700
They are not really ayys as most perceive.

>>20889700
>The True Ancestors are moon people
Hi
Jokes aside, i still don't understand why Consort Yu is put into the category of True Ancestors lol

>>20890009
She is a closely similar existence enough to be mistaken, but isn't a True Ancestor oddly enough. She also lacks the blood lust they have.

>>20890062
>>20890009
She's a True Ancestor, but she's got a different function so gets a special snowflake classification among them. She oversees the texture of the planet and is able to hijack mystery and all.

I thought the reason why she was able to keep her bloodlust in check was due to Gao sacrificing his spiritual core to stabilize her. Super Computer Qin perfected the base genetic information of Yu and added more things and mystery of the trees (the fusang and the fantasy one) to craft his vessel as the "perfect lifeform". He isn't afflicted to any bloodlust or has vampire traits. Basically, he did what Gaia could never do. I suppose is justified because in his Lostbelt "Qin is everything and Everything is Qin."

What will the Camelot lostbelt look like? The Camelot singularity was interesting since it was a new spin on what would happen if Artoria went insane, but what the fuck will happen now? Will they finally add normal Saber into the story?

Is !HFShirou as strong as EMIYA?

>>20890856
Obviously no. He can borrow his powers to be on the same level temporarily, but with very limited usage.

>>20890468
She's never described as having bloodlust in the past. She lived for thousands of years before Qin interacted with her at all.

It seems a lot more like the relationship between a genus than a species. She never needed blood and just sort of subsists so long as nature is present around her. In turn she's obviously not as powerful on her own and doesn't seem to have any influence from Crimson Moon.

>>20890556
There's no info about it, our info stops at LB5, but I imagine is a bait and switch LB because Camelot was promoted as "Jerusalem" before release and I suspect Galahad will be the most important player there. He's confirmed descendant of the kings of Israel David and Solomon thanks to Requiem.

>>20891452
She didn't drink blood at all which greatly weakened her.

She literally can control all mystery of the area if she unlocks her origin. She's far more powerful than the confirmed easy targets for the Church and Association - the True Ancestors were driven by Extinction by the Church and Clock Tower in Fate.

>>20891469
She did say that she drank blood sometimes and killed her share of people that way because in occasion where she needs mana as soon as possible, that is the best method, but she also says she has no bloodlust and that most of the time she just needs the mana that other beings can share with her.
It's why she dislikes Carmilla, because to her Carmilla is the true vampire

>>>/vg/245249269
>the state of North America

>>20892092
I really don't care, you can go back to talking about your GO trash fanbases on /vg/.

>>20890556
Some informations from Sion:
>The depth of the English Lostbelt can’t be measured, meaning that it is “unfamiliar to this planet”.

>Although uncertain of what is going on within, compared to the Human Order Foundation and Panhuman History, the Human Order in that Lostbelt should be a step away from total collapse.

>The humans in the English Lostbelt will likely be extinct in just a few more months, that is how you could see it.

>Different from the other Lostbelts, the English Lostbelt is blocked off by a [Wall of Light], and I am concerned about the difference, but…

I finally bought UNIST and man, I feel like I've been missing out by not getting in earlier.
French Bread were clearly so in love with Tsukihime/Melty when they made this, I hope that connection still remains.

Besides the obvious similarities in the setting and some characters, and Sion's entire story, there are other cute little nods. Like in Yuzuriha's story, she talks about how convenient it'd be to hide a sword inside her bamboo broom.
Seriously, fuck the modern state of Type-Moon, things could've been so good if Nasu knew how to balance his content output.

>>20892275
I think you mean, "fuck Nasu for even announcing the Remake in the first place." Really. I don't give a shit that Nasu doesn't want to do anything with Tsukihime anymore - it's probably for the best - but the effective cockblock that he's done on the Tsukiverse? That really pisses me off. If the Remake never got announced, we probably would have at least a few other creators making (official) content in its setting, including French Bread. It would be better for everyone if he just came out tomorrow and said, "Sorry. I don't want to make the Remake anymore because reasons" so everyone could move on. But, nah, he'll let it boil over for 3 more years before he inevitably focuses on it in again in some fashion. Hell, he might even give a release date (which will later be delayed by another 2 years) and maybe by 2024 we'll finally have Tsukihime: GO. Then maybe we can think about another Melty. That is, if we still want to.

>>20892147
I just wanted people to say how disgusting it is.
Stop being a party pooper.

>>20892624
Stop being a /fgog/fag.

>>20892642
I wish I could, but really there is a lack of anything to talk about here.
All I did was try to create some happenings.
And besides, there are a few things on that poster which are positive, I was hoping they would be pointed out.

>>20891649
Anon, the line to Carmilla and that is for her playable version.

>>20892667
Oh sure, FGOfags asking for Tsukihime Remake and Melty as if they aren't actively contributing to delaying those for a few more years. What else is new.

>>20892698
Exactly right.
If they were actually wanting them, they'd boycott this for starters by scribbling out literally everything.
Look, just lighten up, we all hate it here and those who don't do not belong here.

>>20892698
>FGOfags asking for Tsukihime Remake and Melty
Some of them don't even know about Tsukihime and MB lol

>>20892779
Yeah, but the guys who wrote on that board about Tsukihime and drew Ciel sure do.

>>20892742
If they really wanted it, they wouldn't be super into FGO, much less go to a fucking FGO fan event. That's the last place where you'd catch me even if I lived there.

>>20892792
Well, in their defense it really doesn't matter. Nasu was lazy about content outside of Fate before FGO, and if a million or even two million people stopped playing FGO tomorrow, nothing would change.

>>20892803
Not an excuse to contribute to the biggest factor preventing TM from doing anything else (Fate or not) and for actually enjoying/supporting a trash heap of a game that deserved to die years ago.

haters gonna hate
F/GO stays based

>>20892853
You seem lost.

I don't play mobilegames. Can someone explain concisely what a lostbelt is/is from? "No" is an acceptable answer, I know how nonsensical trying to explain any other concept in type-moon works is, including the word "concept".

>>20892935
not all those who wander are lost

>>20892979
Based

>>20892942
There are plenty of summaries of GOshit out there.
That is as far as anybody should be involved.
Somebody here knows.

>>20890856
Shirou has A++ luck, so he's stronger.

>>20892942
essentially, extella introduced a retarded concept where the universe throws any paralell timelines that don't lead to a happy ending for humanity into the trashcan in order to save resources. If you decided to become hyper-hitler and exterminate all life on earth the universe will just tell you to go fuck yourself.

the lostbelt arc in FGO is about an "alien" god digging around in the trashcan and throwing shit out of it in order to cuck the FGO human history, creating alternate history pockets that will grow and wage war against each other until only one true trashking remains.

It's all very retarded.

>>20893151
sounds good

>>20892942
>An "IF" of the Human History that is treated as [events that didn't happen] due to the extremely low possibility of such events. They are events that were abandoned due it being considered [unneeded things or unneeded movements] in the development of the present human history. They are "history that could have been that was blocked by this universe" that have been cut off from the Parallel World Theory due to the fact that [the future was a dead end]. (King of Magic's action were something similar but that was an action done by an individual, this was the "page of human history that was burnt up by the collective will of human history itself")

>Right now, the Earth has been covered up by these and human history as a whole have been taken by it. Lostbelts have taken these "IF" and established themselves as a reality in the world in the year 2018

>>20893151
Do you realize that all the concepts and lore that are being introduced to this day were thought out decades in the past?
You just dislike it beacause they happen to be revealed in the newer works.

METEOR D YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING STUPID PEDOPHILE

THE QUOTE ENDS WITH "UNLESS SOMEONE FORCES US TO"

JP OVERLORD FORCED THIS TO THE POINT OF CHANGING ALL ART INGAME AND IN PROMOTIONAL MATERIAL TO AVOID ISSUES WITH RACISM

YOUR POST IS FUCKING POINTLESS AND STUPID AND YOU'RE GETTING DELETED FROM MY FRIENDLIST IF YOU DON'T REMOVE YOUR USELESS MOZART

>>20893275
What is this

>>20893151
>throws any paralell timelines that don't lead to a happy ending for humanity into the trashcan in order to save resources
Wrong. It cuts any timelines that don't have branching potential anymore. Those timelines in the Trunk have "average" values since their outcomes aren't biased toward positive or negative valence. Remember what Goetia said in FGO part 1 ? Humanity still have to suffer a lot in Panhuman History.

>>20893273
Yeah, there is absolutely no proof of how long ago Nasu made these concepts.
I'd say 10 years tops.

>>20893286
Nothing worth mentioning.

>>20893406
I mean, the idea makes sense, but it is still something I find uncomfortable.
Same can be said of many older concepts too.

>>20893273
Alternative universe wankery is never good

>>20893473
More like same universe but different worlds/timelines

>>20893473
Nobody whined about alternative timelines in F/SN is all I'm gonna say.

>>20893273
I wouldn't have liked a premise like FGO 10 years ago, just like I don't now.
It's so fucking far removed from Type-Moon's, just an excuse to bloat the universe and the Servant count even further. The entire concept of Chadea and travelling in space/time to other settings is garbage.

>>20893560
*Type-Moon's appeal

>>20893497
Because those were just used to flesh out the same great urban fantasy setting where the entire story takes place, as well as its limited cast of characters, rather than constantly going to new places to meet more garbage characters that are getting added to a shitty gacha game.

>>20893590
Best thing to find in a back alley in a small Japanese town right there!

>>20868077
only just noticed the lewdness here

>>20892942
Lostbelt is also called Losthistory (just Nasu has autism and replaces history with band/belt), it means it's a timely that was removed and marked for pruning for diverging too much from the Average of Accepted History by the Pruning Phenomena System Humanity have. This doesn't mean it's some minor shit about which girl Shirou chooses, nobody gives a fuck about who Shirou dicks. But huge events like "what if a meteorite crashed on Earth and killed most lifeforms and the survivors became something where they ceased to be human?" kind of deal breaker. Those timelines are meant to be culled and burned out, reduced to energy for the system to go on, but seven of them became lostbelts, which basically allowed them and their false prosperity to exist apart and continue from their divergence into the present. These are not Parallel Worlds, they aren't part of them, or Other Worlds (Prototype is classified as this), or items from another branch, they are not meant to continue. They are "Lost Worlds."

Part 2 of FGO is about 7 of these Worlds invading Panhistory and stalemating it to turn the Texture of Tabula Rasa to, after a Grail War Style of Which Lostbelt is the strongest, gets to replace it.

>>20894017
>But huge events like "what if a meteorite crashed on Earth and killed most lifeforms and the survivors became something where they ceased to be human?" kind of deal breaker.
It depends on those Time-Locks

If they do end up making a new Melty Blood, I hope it doesn't just remake the Night of Wallachia storyline.
Since Nasu is unlikely to ever write Tsukihime 2, he should just use some of those concepts in a Melty sequel. Have Merem Solomon, Gransurg Blackmore, and Lorelei as playable characters. Satsujinki instead of Shiki. Aged up versions of the whole cast. Would be a better continuation to the series than another Wallachia/Dust of Osiris game IMO.

>>20893406
every single timeline that doesn't get purged ends up at the same ending point, despite how different their history might be.
If you really think that point isn't a happy ending for humanity after nasu's endless humanity wanking and every single lostbelt being purged because humanity can't advance any further, I don't know what to tell you.

>>20894700
>ends up at the same ending point
Can you give me an example for this "ending point" ?

>>20894116
If something doesn't pass the "average" history and meets the standard of humanity able to progress (but not too sudden to break the average), it gets pruned.

>>20894748
Nasu hasn't explored it yet. Wodime mentioned the answer of panhistory was ok, but they thought this was Better So fuck Panshistory.

In Extra, Gil states humans are going to fuck off from Earth.

>>20894795
>In Extra, Gil states humans are going to fuck off from Earth
But humans are living on Moon Cell in Extraverse ?
>Wodime mentioned the answer of panhistory was ok, but they thought this was Better So fuck Panshistory.
Probably it is relevant to what Marisbury said before (the Human Order was weak iirc)

>>20894853
>But humans are living on Moon Cell in Extraverse ?
They will eventually ship themselves off.

>Probably it is relevant to what Marisbury said before (the Human Order was weak iirc)
He didn't say it was weak, but that the Ages of Men was unstable.

>starts Tsukihime
>kill Nfryfehr vampire with Arcueid
>she comes to rape me in my room the day after

what the fuck is going on ? I don't ask much but just a ounce of logic. We barely talked for 2 days jeez.

>>20896466
She was sending the best present she could think of for a teenage boy

>>20896466
Retard.

>>20896466
Keep reading. Arcueid is pure.

I mean, even if this is a dream, this is too blunt.
I need context, time to learn more about her, to connect with her character.
It just feels like a random h-scene because it's an eroge so fuck it and jerk off. The timing of off.
Anyway I'll keep Reading

>>20896905
>so fuck it and jerk off.
No one can jerk off to Takeuchi's artwork, anon.

>>20896965
HA is a thing.

>>20896965
>No one can
I can

>>20896965
I jerked off and came to all the h-scenes in FSN as a teen.

>>20897012

His fate art is decent at least. Tsukihime is on another level.

>>20896965
>>20897467
Len's H scene in KT is the only time I've ever felt aroused reading a TM H scene. Len is the best onahole

https://twitter.com/TMitterOfficial/status/1100228977170345984

>>20897812
I expected good news, anon.
Don't post depressing links.

>>20897694
Good taste.

>>20897812
Nobody cares.

>>20898021
Cute

>>20898021
these are my wives

>>20897812
Congratz to Keita Haga! He did a very good job for all FGO OST ;; FGO OST III will be released soon

I want mobage shills off my general.

What's your favorite Tsukihime character?

>>20898955
Why, Hanepin of course.

>>20898955
Len.
t. secondary

>>20898976
Nice

>>20898955
Sacchin!!
t.primary

>>20898955
I mean, she is the only reason I still care about TM.
Kinda sucks, since I'm still following something for someone who is getting zero love from TM.

>>20898955

>>20898955
Kohaku will forever be best girl even if she is the one person nuttier then even Shiki.

I can't believe I just jerked off to Tsukihime just now.
Man that was hot.

>>20900500
What scene/doujin/girl?

>>20899101
Superb taste, friend.

>>20897812
Congrats for winning this year too Keita.

fucking god

Hmm.....

>>20902079
If one day there's a remake, I hope that t-shirt makes it in.

>>20902470
I hope this hyper cool jacket makes it too.

>>20900813
The rape scene with Arcueis.
It was pretty hot.

>I try my best to cheer him up.

>>20902844
shinji honestly had a real fucked up life.
can you even imagine eating breakfast with fucking zouken every single day?

>>20902917
Eating breakfast everyday with Worm Palpatine along with believing you had a future as the heir of the family just to get all that pride crushed by your sister who "stole" it from you (even if she never wanted to nor did Shinji even had any future as a magus in the first place) is what made Shinji grow the way he became. Sure, he wasn't thrown into a worm pit at a early age nor was he forced to do whatever bullshit Zouken told him to do, but considering how Zouken raised him as if he was completely worthless, it isn't too surprising for him to end up take out all his fustrations and inferiority complex onto everyone else he knew, more specially on best girl.

Being a (((Makiri))) is suffering.

>>20903092
Who suffered more, the Matou or the Tohno?

Does anyone own the Saber Alter figure on the left? Were there any issues with yours?
I'm thinking about getting the re-run they're doing on it, but I also want to pre-order the Saber Lily on the right.

Sion's going to EVO.

UNIST got into EVO lads
Melty Blood soon

>>20904265
I hope this causes a resurgence in the player base (along with whatever new stuff French Bread is working on). I wanna get good at fighting games.

Just imagine for a second that if Nasu had finished the Tsukihime Remake, this could've been a Melty Blood sequel at EVO.
Type-Moon went down the worst possible route.

>>20904333
I doubt Nasu can hear you - he's buried beneath millions and millions of dollars.

>>20904333
I'm always scared that if a melty sequel were to come out it would have no cccaster and everyone would move on from MBACC, so the only way to play melty would become through Steam with shit netcode

Why did UBW get so much hate?

>>20904659
It wasn't F/Z, basically.

I missed a bunch of CG in Arc route. Does it unlock something to have a 100% at the end of the game ? Or I don't have to care.

>>20906315
There's nothing special for 100%, I suggest just doing True/good ends, and optionally bad ends.

>>20906330
Okay. I missed 4 CG actually. Are they a part of Arc route or are they parts of the other routes ?

>>20904659
Secondaries from F/Z didn't like that it wasn't F/Z, primaries raged at any difference from the VN.
I still think it was fine, but fuck Miura for KnK 6.

>>20906378
What's wrong with KnK 6? I liked it.

>>20906444
It simplifies a lot of stuff from the LN. God's Word had much more characterisation, and the whole story about the school was way darker.
To be honest, it's been some time and I don't remember much of the details, just that I was taken aback by the differences.

>>20906470
I haven't read the LN so it didn't bother me. It's one of my favorite KnK movies.

>>20906484
I can't really say I have a favourite KnK movie. They were quite dull. Pretty but that's all.

>>20906526
To each his own, they're my favourite part of TM with Tsukihime. I was probably more invested since I read the LNs beforehand, though.

Why the heck isn't there a route with Satsuki ? She's so cute.

>>20906484
You're missing out anon, God's Word as a character is fucking pointless in the movie, they don't even show the end of his arc and he's just kinda forgotten about.
And the whole final battle being turned into a huge showdown in a cathedral with a fairy flower thing was so, so dumb.

>>20906660
They've always promised one, and that's one of the selling points of the Remake. Did you read the Far Side routes yet?

>>20906807
Not yet. I should be careful, I'm going to get spoiled anytime here.

>>20906660
I didn't care about her in Tsukihime but loved her Melty Blood. Sacchin was great there and I really want her route now.

YUMIZUKA

>>20907497
Don't worry, K-kun.
She'll get her own route soon...

>>20898955
the cutest cat

she's so smug. Love it.

>>20907869

>>20907869
Indeed.

>>20908277
god, calm down, I still think she's pure.
I didn't get to the h-scenes for now

>>20907869
Akiha is 2nd best girl

>>20898955

>>20908874
Too bad shiki was great but her universe and movies shit. She would have been great in Tsukihime instead of the worst character of the franchise, Ciel.

>>20909153
>shiki was great
Autist who stabs people with her little knife

>>20909192
What's wrong with autistic girls ? My only complain is the lack of porn on her.

I was thinking about this a while ago but you guys claiming that Fate was somehow a fluke and nasu sucks at making decisions doesn't really make sense considering Tsukihime was one of the most famous doujin VNs of its time, if not of all time. And that certainly was due to Nasu's merit as a writer and worldbuilder. Just feels like underestimating his talent out of spite for how much of a cashcow he is.

>>20909455
But it wasn't a fluke, and that much is obvious because of Tsuki.

Wow, sakura really gets around

https://basgrospoing.fr/en/articles/the-surprising-history-of-french-bread-studio

Dunno if any of you guys have seen this article before, but it's an interesting read. There's a fair amount of the article focused around Type-Moon and Melty.

>>20909239
Seconded. We need more doujins.

>>20909816
Yep but some people here took the fact that Nasu thinking that the MC of Fate should be a woman and arthur a man was a good idea (and takeuchi making him change his mind) and extrapolated to the point of claiming that Nasu is just an ideas guy with bad execution, and he just got lucky with Fate, which is just stupid and undermines how much effort he puts into his settings. His writing also improved and it really shows above everything in CCC and Mahoyo. Also, I mean actual writing, as in prose, not plot, which frankly is impossible to know since I really don't get the impression Nasu actually put effort in writing a plot since F/HA, or Mahoyo, which was supposed to have sequels so we'll never know what he was planning in the first place.

>>20871046
if you start with tsukihime then skip the garbage first two routes then read on until you reach the far side routes (akiha, kohaku and hisui)

>>20910754
The last third of Ciel's route is great. All the Roa shit is interesting as fuck. Don't skip anything.

>>20910463
>claiming that Nasu is just an ideas guy with bad execution, and he just got lucky with Fate
Where? I mean, I usually say that Nasu is the kind of artist that needs deadlines and some creative restrictions otherwise he becomes to unfocused and/or nothing gets finished, but I don't think anyone here has ever faulted him for the effort he puts into the settings. Even parts of FGO remain interesting insofar as the lore goes, even if it is undermined by, well, almost everything else.

>>20910754
I actually liked Arc route. But Ciel is insufferable. I'll do her route last just because I don't like not to finish a VN.

Actually doing Akiha route and shit is so comfy. I wish I could just spend the entire VN in the mansion with Akiha, eating breakfast, having some tea in the sitting room and enjoying her sheer smile.

>>20910965
You're just messing yourself up by doing things out of order, also saving the worst for last in a VN will always leave a bad taste in your mouth. If you haven't seen any of the Ciel scenes, keep in mind she's a fairly different character what you see of her in Arc's route. If you don't like Ciel's personality, just imagine she's the antagonist, and if you don't like 60% of it being a retread of Arc's, just skip the recycled scenes.

It will still be kind of weird to jump from Far Side to Near Side after Akiha, but you don't want to do Hisui and Kohaku apart and you don't want to not end on Kohaku.

>>20910965
>leaving worst route to last
Don't do this, leaving what you guess is the best to last is always more fulfilling.

>>20909153
Garbage opinion

>>20911085
>nuCiel
To be honest this is even worse than nuSion in FGO

>>20911162
She's just protoMash

>>20909153
kys

>>20911183
They have different hairstyle though, and Mashu looks better than nuCiel. Also
>protoMash
Pic related

>>20909192
Going by that image. I never knew she appeared in that animation called: CRITICAL*STAR

>>20911085
I hate how flat her new hair looks

Hazuki Akiha

>>20911085
>>20911130
I'll listen to you. I didn't know there were a special order to respect. I didn't hear about Near and Far Side routes.

I'm not such a fan of Hisui/Kohaku, but I guess it will be at least better than Ciel.

>>20911691
My post was a general thing for all VN's, and I wasn't displaying any personal opinion on good/bad routes.

for god's sake
is it perfection?

Tsukihime's great so far but choices are frustrating. One little trifling choice can change litteraly the ending. It was a shame I had to go several times back in time to modify a tiny thing to got finally the endings.

>>20912766
That's pretty usual for Nasu, he loves stuffing his VNs full of bad ends.
Glad you're enjoying it!

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>>20911320
I fear for how awful her powerd version would look.