/jp/ - Otaku Culture

失礼します

do ur reps

Second for N1 is shit.

>>20854576
Why do japanese uragiru their ancient chinese origins?

And also,

Starwoods Spaceschool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPyAFWqJ1fU#t=507

>>20855860
Do you mean ethnicity or culture?

We must purge re*****rs. しかない
Past 5 threads were garbage. If you see itazura linked on reddit report for copyright material.Thats the only way to hold this dark plague .Only way. Amen

>>20855873
we should purge europeans, especially germans

>>20855873
Awwwww little Dekinai faggot can't handle a little bit of itazura. There there it's alright my little homosexual.

>>20855878
Germany is already a (melting pot). You don't have to worry about that.

wow 10 posts and this thread is already on pace to be as horrendous as the last one

is there anyone that can save us

>>20855885
You need to go back

Besides kanji, what would you guys say is the most overhwelming part of learning japanese? The thing that make you go "I'll never ever get a hang of this"?

パベル博士、セイアです。

djt is basically a breeding ground for the next generation of nukemarines. we all have to accept our fate.

>>20855893
More steveposting could help

>>20855878
>>20855887
Your Burger anus is quivers in anticipation, loosening b-breathing in reticent hope, once a EVROPEAN approaches either in public or on the Internet, your body seeks the seed of the EVROPEAN BVLL.

>>20855900
>The thing that make you go "I'll never ever get a hang of this"
nothing, everything can be learned

>>20855897

>>20855900
just the fact that altho i can read stuff if i go through it slowly and think about what theyre trying to say, i cant just read & let the nihongo flow over me

>>20855908
it also could not

>>20855929
You don't know japanese

>>20855878
Seething eop.

>>20855922
Do you invite strangers to your home so casually? how daring

>>20855878
What have I done?

>>20855931
Looks like we got another one here...

>>20855941
i dont know i just dont like that guy who always capitalised Dekinai and im sure hes german

>>20855942
Why are eop even here.

>>20855940
>Trying this hard to LARP.

>>20855942
i might need a bigger dose doc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKHIrqy_jZc

>>20855949
Why are Reddit Dekinai's even here?

>>20855964
Nayamukotoaruno anonkun? You can tell us we mean no harm.

>>20855961
El Duende del 56%

I hate to say it but the fun-loving and warm accepting nature of this thread has caused stupid crossboarders from /v/ and even /pol/ to come here and shit themselves in front of us and then act like they're cool and like they belong. I think we should all strive to be a little meaner and also maybe report badposters.

>>20855988

>>20855988
Nice post Jamal.

>>20855988
I don't have it in my to be mean. I'll be in your care.

>>20855988
El Demonio Siempre Negro

>>20855996
do u really think i would ever do a post like that ever

>>20856016
All you low case posters are the same.

is this one of the threads where we focus on assigning the blame for djt being shit

>>20856032
I hope not because I already know the answer: low case posters.

>>20855988
冗談にもほどがあるってことですね。

>>20856028
but that was a up case post dude ?

>watching anime to learn japanese in 2019
lol

i literally just watched some anime in 2019 but not from 2019 and it owned

>>20856036
>unironically participating in the shitfest

>>20856039
You just got epicly trolled, my condolences.

>learning japanese through japanese content
HURRRRRRRRRRRMRFMMFGGGGGGGGGHRRRRRRPBBBBBBBT

>>20856036
あたしは日本語出来ないので死にたいです。

>>20856049
beg ur pardon ?

>>20855988
>>20856032
>>20856036
>I think we should all strive to be a little meaner and also maybe report badposters.
>report badposters
The eternal low case poster.

i liked it better when u just posted braps

only ESL think capital letters are important

Josh, time for core reps.

>>20856066
Just because you don't know grammar doesn't mean everybody else should.

>>20856079
yea ur english is kanpeki as fuck here lol. what an inspiration

>>20856079
learn english

>>20856074
im stil lreally mad at u but here u can do this 1 as well and mangle some more of my beautiful work

lowercase posters are the avant-garde; we're not constrained by the stifling stylistic limitations of 'proper' english orthography

>>20856083
>>20856085
Learn grammar and also English.

>>20856079
what did he mean by this

>>20855988
DJT was only ever good for like half of 2017 when there was a janitor around 24/7 and at least 25% of the posts in a given thread would get deleted.

>>20856096
Nah you're just making excuses in order to hide the fact that you're a brainlet.

>>20856096
based
if anything you should have learned capital letters are useless from japanese. they are arbitrary enforced by some academic authority and have no basis in the spoken language

>>20856109
do you understand the concept of "low hanging fruit"

>>20856107
I remember that time. I wonder what the mods call this thread internally in their irc room. We've probably turned into some kind of cancer containment bin for them.

>>20856115
I think you should master proper English first before you go learn Japanese.

i have the highest iq and biggest penis in the thread

>>20856074
why didnt you use a comic font

>>20856127
i think you should stop spamming off topic posts

>>20856133
and the best dubs yet

MUHHHHHHHHH academic authority and basis in the spoken language.

Let's be real guys.. The real reason djt wasn't as shit then was that reddit invasions were blocked more or less.

>>20856109
u right i can never remember where the caps go what are the rules again

>>20856133
You can't have both.

>>20856109
it requires a greater knowledge of english to bend the language to fit your own style than it does to blindly follow grammatical 'rules' as if someone was sitting behind you grading each of your posts

but if they were, you'd get a D for originality my tryhard friend

>>20856096
People who make a big deal out of typing in lowercase just come across as either trying too hard to put on an aloof front, or trying too hard to be e e cummings (a guy who died over 50 years ago).

how do you pronounce a capital letter ?

should I add the optional images to the core Anki deck? Does it help or nah?

>20855841
how long do you read per day that seems excessive even if its your first vn

>>20856157
a : a.
A : aaa!!!

>>20856157
By being vanquished to the place you originate. T reddit

>>20856155
people who type in 'perfect english' online are the same people who go to community college classes dressed in a suit and tie

>>20856155
if someone makes a big deal out of capitalization the natural response is to make a big deal out of the absolute unyielding superiority of not givin a shit

>>20856153
>it requires a greater knowledge of english to bend the language to fit your own style

Is this why niggers are the most intelligent and also go to prison allot?

>>20856171
now this is a good analogy

while this thread may finally be the beginning of the end i would implore u to not use the n word and also be a retarded american

thank u

>>20856171
Nigger logic right here.

MUHHHHH white man keeping us down. WE WUZ KANGS AND SHIEEET NIGGAAAAA!

this is how i measure my japanese progress

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZLsd163Sw8

i can still read it so that's how i know that i don't know japanese

>>20856171
Nothing wrong with typing in lowercase out of laziness and convenience, I do that on IRC. It's when you start talking about "stylistic limitations" and "bending the language" that it gets embarrassing.

>>20856191
this is actually never gonna change ur hardwired bro

if ur response about typing the way u do is literally anything but i dont give a fuck and just type what i want then pls just fall back in line and start using caps and periods and shit plz i dont want to be associated with u

GUyz i'm currently bendin the languagee to my own needs . Hue hue

>>20856197
you aint wrong but the bigger question is why you put more effort into a shitposting thread than irc

>>20856197
not surprised a spectrumite cant figure out what satire is

good thread guys keep it up

Post your favorite video game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhzGU3pcyp0

>>20856212
Essentially, this. Tryhards stick out like a sore thumb.

>>20856215
I don't make a distinction between this thread and the rest of 4chan(nel) and I'm used to typing like this on 4chan.

>>20856218
You know what they say about ironic shitposting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suC-B_hWG_M

>>20856093
What's the name of the manga?

if people from /pol/ hate refugees & illegals so much why are they invading and taking over our peaceful, racism-free, threads? hypocrites much? go back to your own board!!

>>20856231
New gay!

>>20856231
こどものじかん

>>20856231
you best be shittin me get out of this thread right now

You needs friends to cleanse red***. No more brother wars. We come in peace

>>20856233
shut the fuck up jamal

>>20856233
Senpai...

this thread is sinking fast the only chance u have to survive is to hang out in my secret discord with the chosen elites of djt

I'm not going to run non-free software on my PC, "bro".

Already tainted by r*d**t. We need to search for the new holyland.

>>20856256
More like the secret discord of /jp janitors that suck /jp mod's dick (for free) while /jp mod is getting pounded in the ass by the EVROPEAN BVLL.

>>20856238
kodomo no jikan is a literal masterpiece though, dont you dare sully its name

>>20856268
At least they aren't members of a tranny harem. It's better somewhat

make ur time

what gets this guy off his rocker is it a time of the month thing

>>20855851
Paizuri

how do i learn japanese without a japanese friend?

>>20856288
read eroge

make use of one of those enkou jks

>>20856288
i can simulate having a japanese friend by talking to you in broken english and saying sugoi jouzu if you like

>>20856288
japanese camsluts or twitch streamers

remember to donate generiously aswell

>>20856296
plenty of that in int

>>20856291
i need a real (girl)friend

>>20856307
maybe you should work on that before you pick up a language

A real girlfriend will never be as nice as your eroge waifu.

>>20856307
you need a fat butt right up your face and have it release the day's pile up of gasses

braaappppp

woah
seven rings = 七輪

>Have money
<be a giant 3dpd subhuman slut
LIFE

>VN supposed to take 10-20 hours to finish
>takes me 3 months

>>20856324
the update was better catch up

>>20856333
What are you reading sir?

>>20856324
how do you say deja vu in japanese?

>>20856333
>>20856161
what sick vn was it by the way

>>20856324
>3d girls
Not even once.

Just kidding. There's nothing better than having a cute tsundere who pretends to hate you.

>>20856333
me trying to read a volume of shonen manga

>>20855878
i don't think they should be purged but the fact they and other europeans think their grammar is hard because of incidental simple as fuck bullshit like gendered nouns that barely affects comprehension says something

>>20856339
I mined this but I can't remember it from the top of my head and I also can't search for it because all of my cards are j-j.

>>20856345
>3d tsundere
nah

>>20856338
>>20856340
>>20856161
Flyable Heart so it should take 10-30 hours. It's supposed to be so easy that that makes it worse. The past week I've forced myself to read 2 hours a day but before that it varied 30 minutes to 2 hours. I get the feeling that if I rushed sentences with grammar I don't completely understand I could have finished it a long time ago. But it feels like the only way I'll learn the grammar is if I force myself to look it up every time. Sometimes I average like 5 minutes or more per sentence. This method is boring so when I finish FH I might start randomly reading anything (while being prepared to instantly drop anything) and skipping past more sentences as long I get the gist based on the words being used.

>>20856345
everything i think is cute in anime is really awkward when it happens in real life. people are boring life is lame

>>20856381
Every sentence you read increases your mora/minute reading speed. Keep reading and sleep a lot and this metric shall increase in time.

>>20856381
>it varied 30 minutes to 2 hours
read something more engaging and this wont happen
>if I rushed sentences with grammar I don't completely understand I could have finished it a long time ago
if it takes much effort to figure out you probably wont remember much from it
you should still look some shit up but youll get better on deciding what to invest time on
your plan is good

>虞
>joyo kanji
>not used in any words
wtf lol why does this keep happening

>>20856435
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1216305242

theres your answer (its used in the japanese constitution, and is basically de facto considered non joyo anyway)

>>20856233
Stfu retard

誰何
bet u cant read this word correctly

>>20856381
Generally as a beginner you should be prepared to spend 2-4 times as long a native/fluent reader. However, if you're spending 5 minutes on a single sentence, you should give up and read something shorter/easier.

half this thread will get the stroke order of 何 incorrect

>>20856701
half will get the stroke order of 右 incorrect, the other half will get the stroke order of 左 incorrect

>>20856701
heh thank god i did rtk...

>>20856555
darenani

>>20856711
the 1st stroke goes the same direction as the 3rd stroke

>>20856719
nice tip

出してくれ

naka ni?

>>20856737
ii choudai

>>20856555
Watermelon?

凸 is the best kanji in the 世界.
Prove me wrong.

look like a lego

looks like a penis

>>20856752
凸 aint even 凸

>>20856768
It's more 凸 than it is 凹.

>>20856775
depends how you measure it its got twice the dimples

really guys u think the likes of that is gonna save this sinking 船

初めてに漫画とアニメとどっちのほうが有益ですか？
日本語の漫画まだ読みません。日本語の漫画まだ読みません。アニメでサブタイトルがないのを見ません。
どっちのほうが初めてですか？

this took a lot of effort to write and its probably wrong

>>20856775
俺はあなたの凹に凸して行く

>>20856846
it's entirely wrong and u wasted your time because no-one here is gonna bother trying to correct you

>>20856857
しょうがない

>>20856842
whose talkin about savin im just chillin same as always

f*ck did it again one day ill learn my lesson

>>20856555
who? what?

>>20856846
man u r quite the マゾ

>>20856860
in not too long ull be chilling 海の底 my ninja

>>20856873
thats aight maybe ill learn nihongo down there

ﾜﾀｼﾜｱﾆﾒｶﾞﾀﾞｲｽｷﾃﾞｽ

>>20856879
grow up

>>20856701
Misa said nobody cares about the stroke order

>>20856898
misa is also a greasy goblin

>>20856873
>マゾ
u mean ドM? who says マゾ

I don't get rtk desu
So these keywords are not what the kanji actually mean? These early ones are the same though, 一 and 二 and 田 are the same actual meanings as the keywords. Are some of them the same and others not?

>>20856846
アニメはむずかしすぎるです。漫画のほうがいいだろう。

>>20856905
most of them are, others are just related to certain meanings that they have (because he's trying to avoid duplicate keywords/meanings, since a few kanji basically share the same fundamental meaning)

>>20856903
sorry i wasnt imitating anime there

>>20856905
A lot of kanji have several meanings. It doesn't matter too much, as long as you're able to keep them distinct.

>>20856913
i dont watch anime, japs irl definitely use that way more. u can just google it

only one of these has the correct stroke order. can u identify which?

>>20856929
何

jibun wa doM desu
doS na kanojo ga hoshii na-

>>20856922
dont @ me with that shit

>>20856929
who gives a fuck u fuckin dork

>>20856941
>who gives a fuck u fuckin dork
calm down just trying to liven up the thread a bit u cynic

>>20856905
don't do RTK

post something good then like a banger

>>20856950
here what about this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dxe-jXSRQU

>>20856950
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTdcxQZcQAE

should i do RTK or KKLC?

>>20856965
neither

>>20856970
start reading without any knowledge of kanji is impossible

>>20856912
>>20856914
ah okay

>>20856949
why not

>>20856975
i did RTK and i still had no knowledge of kanji so idk what you mean

>>20856965
rtk because that's what i'm doing

>>20856975
rtk and kklc aren't for "knowledge of kanji", they're supposed to teach you how to write them
"knowledge of kanji" comes from drilling vocab and reading

I learned kana stroke order just to graffiti アノンはここにいた on the walls.

>>20856907
ありがとう!漫画を読みます

>>20856985
you should be able to understand word meaning even if you can't read them.

>>20856954
not a fan of this type of thing but good 4 them i guess

>>20856962
unfort this songs the worst and not a banger

出来ます!

why is learning japanese so hard?

>>20857003
most people don't have a good plan on how to approach it

>>20857003
できないお前

>>20857003
its not its really easy as long as u aint standin still

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPGQjDG8pCw#t=47

lowercaseonlypostersarelikelittlebabieswatchthisforefficiency!

>>20856998
SRSing RTK the way heisig recommends (keyword on front) does not necessarily help you remember the meaning of the kanji. moreover if you want to remember all of that you'll have to do upkeep after finishing RTK. but even if you could remember all the english keywords, if you want to actually learn the word you have to look up the reading anyway. so knock out two birds with one stone and learn the word and reading of the word. the "optimization in bulk" thing is a retarded waste of time in this case.

>>20857016
imagine being this mad

>>20857016
ipreferthisbyfardesulowercasepostersaresissies

>>20857003
its not hard per se it just takes a long ass time, and the time it takes depends on how dumb you are, so if youre the IQ of a navy boomer then it'll take 40years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb89PRoB75o
Where is that video of the cute japanese girl (maybe an idol?) rapping?

>>20857016
still entirely readable tho so i wont even complain if you want to post like that my man u do u

"knocking out two birds with one stone" is how you end up not remembering anything properly and mixing up words (the fate of all bruteforcing corefags)

>>20857021
>learn the word and reading of the word
Kanji through vocable doesn't work. It's simply shite. I spent two years on that and got absolutely nowhere.
Even after doing just 1/4 of RTK my reading ability was already vastly better, as now these words actually started to stick.

>>20857011
If the ideal plan in start reading LNs then I know why people quit almost immediately

>>20857044
good luck at starwoods spaceschool idiot

>>20857029
https://files.catbox.moe/jxxoj8.webm

>>20857044
>Kanji through vocable doesn't work. It's simply shite. I spent two years on that and got absolutely nowhere.
you sound like a retard maybe that's why it didn't work out

>>20856231
Nenecchi's big poppin' office adventure

>>20857051

>>20857044
i've never done rtk and the words stick but whatever you say

ignore all advice that comes from lower case posters

nice self own ?

does that include your post

is it possible that some people learn better in different ways and there is in fact no unified theory of language learning?

>>20857052
not her. but thanks

>>20857003
So that normalfags who only consume entry level garbage will never learn it.

i used to think "just learn kanji along with vocab bro" until i knew more than 1000 words
simply put, not doing RTK is shortsighted

>>20857070
no, that's an excuse for lazy fags who don't put enough effort into it
everybody learns language the same way

ill start learning chineese hoping kanji to seem easier

>>20857070
possible but unlikely. humans all operate the same way. we are not genetically different enough for our brains to work completely differently.

>>20857080
no one uses the same forms of kanji as japan

i did rtk ages ago and personally think it helped me a lot. ive never once found kanji to be something im 悩んでるing about. feels more like learning french or something

>>20857080
Simplified or Mandarin Chinese?

i used to think "just learn kanji along with vocab bro" and i was right
simply put, doing rtk is a waste of time unless you want to write by hand

>>20857090
the very cool one

>>20857088
they're close enough that it's basically the same & learning one when you know the other is piss easy

Will I look more kawaii in a good way if I try to speak in a slightly femenine way?

Round Table feat. Nino
EGOIST (Chelly)
Maaya Uchida

>>20857052
straight fire

>>20857080
Why is Pleco so much better than every Japanese–English dictionary?

>>20857098
If you're not white. If you're white, you automatically come off as cringy regardless when speaking a foreign language that's doesn't originate from europe.

>>20856929
My bet is the 5

>cringy
yikes

関西弁なんでやねん
わからへん

>>cringy
>yikes
crackers

i knew a guy when i was studying in tokyo who pretended to be from nara (he was white european) and spoke in kansai-ben. he also 自称'ed as "-chan".

knew a nigger who sucked 100 cocks while i was in osaka and he said RTK is useless

the fucks ur problem

to rtk or not to rtk

>>20857107
Ara that's great because I'm slightly brown nano desu

my dude nobu was looking for friends
he used to hate bitches though

>>20857140
it ain't even a question.

why would you ever start handwriting? what an absolute waste of time

>>20857163
it's fun

to gain a deep understanding and proficiency with kanji

>>20857163
to not be illiterate

the real goal with learning japanese isn't for the sake of consuming japanese media or speaking with japanese people, it's so that you can give snarky, condescending pseudo-advice in all lower case on 4channel.

>>20857176
bro am i supposed to be able to read this

>>20857176
弱い

>>20857184
are you some kind of illiterate or something ?

>>20857176
ichiban kldsfjdklsfjlsjflsdljfjdklsfjkldsfkljskljdfkljdsfjkl

全員 (zengin) listen up. Todays word is寡聞

>>20857176
pic unrelated

i hope to learn the grass script some day

>>20857192
dostedt

>>20857003
grammar is difficult for an english native.

Today's word is 聖廟. Not to be confused with 性病, which is what you get after visiting the priests there.

私が行きましょう

https://my.mixtape.moe/wqcrcz.mp4

>https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ary01m/multilinguals_whats_your_they_didnt_realise_i/

Great thread to share your stories with other internet polyglots, djt! ctrl+F "japan" to narrow your results

>>20857294
>嗚呼

>>20857306
don't 実況 your reddit browsing here moron

Special secret word of the day:
巨根
Dont tell anyone i told you this.

>>20857306
you should give that guy reddit gold

>>20857316
>root
yeah i recognize that from my rtk studies

>>20857316
my gf prefers the 大根 instead because I have a 微根

>>20857043
>is how you end up not remembering anything properly and mixing up words
no it's not.

>>20857320
sent ;)

>>20857333
noted

>>20857294
>艱難辛苦
Thanks I haven't mined 艱 yet

How come I don't see デカマラ more often?

dekachin

>>20857353
Because the stories take place in japan most of the time.

>>20857306
As a 6'11 white dude, I can totally relate lol

so once i'm done with hiragana I should go for vocabulary right?

>>20857428
no you have to spend months associating scribbles with english words

>>20857428
Vocab. And grammar. And kanji.

>>20857428
After hiragana you do katakana.

>>20857306
>those lame as shit stories
>____ here.
>As a ______, can confirm.
fuck me cunt nuke normalfags

>>20857428
Heh, hold up buddy, you need to do RTK first.

>>20856929
3, it's obvious

>>20857461
i wasnt gonna bother saying which one it was but since you were so confident i have to let you down. it's the first one lol

why do dekinais hate rtk
"no don't do rtk bro you have to study grammar first" lol

>>20857465
i was reading from the right

>>20857467
? there's 5 and it's the first one on the left, so you're still wrong ??

>>20857471
i meant left

>>20857466
It's the opposite. People who know the language don't like it because they know it just delays you from reading japanese.

>>20857465
yea i was gonna say that

>>20857466
because i did RTK and it was a waste of time

>>20857482
you can read japanese on your own time after you finish your reps

>>20857471
actually if you read from the left and repeat three two times you arrive at 1 so he was technically correct

>>20857489
>those rates
obvious false flag

>>20857494
You only need vocab in your reps, no other shit and especially not RTK.

>>20857489
you're not far enough into the japanese journey to say what is and isn't a waste of time

>>20857498
are you saying they're good or bad?

>>20857501
actually the shorter the better because i can remember how easily i could learn words before and after RTK. after another year or two i'll have completely forgotten and i'll have to rely on what i remember my opinion was at this exact moment.
>hm i thought it was a waste back then so it must have been.

dont listen to people who rely on yomichan for every single word as to whether or not rtk is useful. it's obviously not useful if you never actually need to remember a kanji

>>20857510
so there's absolutely no difference in the ease of learning words when you already recognise the kanji vs when you have to learn the kanji (possibly multiple) and the word at the same time? sounds legit. you just haven't learned enough words, or tried to learn enough words before rtk, to realise the usefulness of it, and you'll forever be biased.

bro i learned how to write 人 and 一つ before i did rtk and it was super easy, rtk is such a waste of time!

>>20857511
I can't use yomichan on tv though.

rtk sucks because i don't have the time and don't want to be good at japanese anyway

>>20857517
there is a difference but it doesn't make up for the 300 hours i spent finishing RTK. by the way, the subtle gains quickly disappear when you stop reviewing. and if you maintain your reviews you'll be spending more time on that than time you'll save in increased efficiency.

i think this is what fellow RTK users don't understand. they're really fucking dumb so they only think about how much easier it is without considering the massive costs.

do you want to write by hand?
yes, i do! ---> rtk is worth it
no, i don't! --> rtk is not worth it, just do some lazy kanji and move on

RTK users are naturally very dumb since they fail to recognize kanji they did trough vocab and reading again and again so they need to rely on isolated RTK kanji recognition. Oh wait, RTK users don't have the balls to read natural japanese since they are busy learning fuck all because they are too retarded to memorize kanji as they appear.

The more japanese you learn the easier all the kanji will get. This is the sole reason why RTK is useless as fuck. It gives you a slight edge in the beginning but for that slight edge you wasted months of grinding kanji.

>>20857529
>here is a difference but it doesn't make up for the 300 hours i spent finishing RTK.
across learning tens of thousands of vocab? yes, yes it does. that's why i said you haven't done enough to realise how useful it was yet, but you probably will never realise now anyway.

if you'd stuck with it for like a month after you'd finished you'd be doin like 15 reviews a day so it's hardly a massive time sink.

anyway, it looks like you did rtk3 right off the bat, which was obviously going to horrendously cloud your judgement because almost all of those are absolutely pointless to learn as a beginner. there's like 2 kanji in RTK3 that are used in common vocab.

>>20857540
What about reading handwriting?
I don't want to be illiterate

>>20857551
yea you really dont want to be unable to read simple handwritten kanji like the people above

>>20857551
You learn this useless skill by reading tons of handwritten text you dumb fuck.

>>20857557
鋭
didn't do rtk btw

>>20857563
congrats you can read a gaijins handwriting lmao.

owned.

>>20857546
>across learning tens of thousands of vocab? yes, yes it does.
the time spent on daily reviews will always eclipse time saved in retention. retention issues plummet the more words you know.
>if you'd stuck with it for like a month after you'd finished
i finished it in 3 months and did reviews for 2 months. reviews dropped to around 20-30 a day.
>it looks like you did rtk3 right off the bat
i only did RTK1.

RTK and all that shit is just a drop in the bucket. You're spending way too much time worrying about your studying method for the first ~1 year, which is irrelevant. As long as you get to "I can recognize kanji" in the end, you're good, whether it takes you 6 months or 18, because what really matters is the following period of 100+ months where you actually have to build your Japanese skill through input.

>>20857582
exactly. it just gives you a very solid foundation from which to build upon & makes it very simple to move forward. i doubt anyone ever finished rtk then quit learning japanese

>>20857582
yep. rtktards are retarded

>>20857209
but i am not english

木: A tree
林: Some trees
森: A lot of trees
Japanese is ez pals

>>20857588
>makes it very simple to move forward
Said no RTK user ever.
>what a person who started grammar and reading as fast as possible is going to say after a couple of months
"I am starting to grasp the language, it's starting to get easier"
>person who did RTK and grammar in that same time frame
"Oh my fucking god, what the fuck is going on? Time to do core10k before reading"

step 1 hiragana and katakana
step 2 vocabulary core 6K
step 3 grammar
step 4 RTK
is this the right order?

really can't trust a man who doesn't do rtk
just committing to rtk in the first place shows your goal is excellence

>>20857588
>makes it very simple to move forward
just a mere several hundred hours of not learning the language and it's super simple!

excellence ? no

all it does is show that u want to remember the kanji

>>20857617
This is the correct order if you wan't to be a dekinai forever.

step1 kana
step2 do tae kim
step3 do core6k until you hit 3k cards
step4 read
step5 ???
step6 big nihongo gains ftw

also consume anime during all stages

>>20857622
Anyone who thinks "several hundred hours" makes a difference in the big picture definitely doesn't know Japanese, and shouldn't be shitting up the thread with learning method arguments.

>>20857626
can i replace tae kim with Dolly or goblin?

>>20857617
1. rtk
2. reading and watching anime until fluency
core is strictly worse than reading

>>20857627
several hundred hours of boring nonsense that isn't actually the language makes a huge difference if it discourages people from bothering or causes them to quit you fucking retard. that's why whenever rtk rears it's ugly head in this thread it should get fucking bitch slapped.

>>20857540
RTK is worth it if you don't want to keep mistaking 都会 for 都合.

>>20857588
I dropped learning japanese after finishing RTK for a long time, maybe 2 years or so, it just burned me out.

>>20857626
pretty good but you should add several hundred hours of not learning the language between step 1 and 2.

>>20857636
tokai and toai?

>learning to read and write is not learning japanese
fucking anti-rtkers are grasping lol

>>20857636
You may be braindead if you can't distinguish them after comparing them once.

>>20857636
just learn 会合

>>20857650
rtk does not teach you how to read

>>20857631
No. Tae Kim doesn't take long. Read it once and supplement it with anything you want after that.

>>20857636
one has a square and the other one doesn't. guess i can only tell the difference because i did RTK.

>>20857633
Based Dolly. Some should make a core that includes all the words of a group of manga, like Yotsuba. So you would be more motivated to do that and then read the manga. Doing a core with generic words won't lead you far away

>>20857631
>dolly
yes
>goblin
no

>>20857642
tae kim can be cleared during a weekend

>>20857663
it teaches to recognize

>>20855851
where do i get jp subbed anime tho

>>20857670
why not greasy goblin?

>>20857682
you'll achieve most of the benefits of that by doing 500 of the most popular kanji.

>>20857634
Yeah, of course, which is why the best method is pick whatever you want as long as it gets you there. There are people out there who used RTK and were fine. There are people who tried and decided it was shit, and dropped it to drill anki or read or do whatever else. All of that is fine. It's barely the beginning, what really matters is what should probably be called "advanced hell," building your skill with the language once you have excellent comprehension. If you can't think for yourself and push through the beginning then you don't have the character to learn the language anyway.

you guys got any of those subs2srs premade decks?

>>20857699
>premade decks
Never gonna make it.

>>20857689
videos are too long and have little information in them. Watch if you like the videos but it's not as effective as dolly.

Anyone who learned japanese without RTK knows there comes the point where everything will become easily comprehend- and learnable like magic. Your brain literally transforms. That's why there are very very rarely advanced learners of japanese that recommend RTK.

>>20857720
but matt....

could've done it faster if they did rtk

>>20857720
>>20857731
Most of those people probably did use RTK at some point, take that as you will.
What this probably means is it doesn't matter whether you do it or not and you morons are asking the wrong questions.

>ur dumb moron
shut the fuck up faggot.

>>20857720
I'm one of the few people who did half of rtk. I don't think it's hurts if you like doing it. Once you start to hate it you can quit and then learn the rest more organically. If you're thirsty for the kanji knowledge it's pretty good. I think the keyword to kanji people are retarded though because you'll never need to write it and it makes it all incredibly harder to do.

just found an old DJT post of mine defending RTK:
>if you have autism like me you won't be demoralized. you'll just keep chugging through RTK while literally destroying RTK haters in DJT without knowing an ounce of japanese.
i was a true believer but i'm man enough to admit i was wrong. also the first person to post "rtgay" was in that thread.

manga is a better way of learning

https://my.mixtape.moe/keuqgy.mp4

i'm not listening enough but it's hard to bring myself to do it

>>20857766
matt?

>>20857764
>I think the keyword to kanji people are retarded though
I disagree. If you don't do this RTK is completely useless. Being able to write the kanji in your mind from the keyword alone is what really manifests the kanji in your mind.

>>20857777
iktf

>>20857777
nice quads
>>20857772
when are you going to upload it and be useful

>>20857764
>>20857780

定期

>>20857764
keyword to kanji is literally the only reason to do rtk, what are you even talking about
you're not supposed to look at kanji and then associate them with english keywords

>>20857787
just watch the cartoon lol there's no point in drilling it

oh fuck i've been reviewing the kanji i write out to the keyword oops

i should be writing the keywords and remembering the kanji

>>20857787
And why would I do that?

>the man who invented and recommends an absolutely retarded system in the first place claims you must follow his retarded system in a way he prefers or you're doing it wrong!
No one cares.

>>20857802
did you think the book was called "reviewing the kanji?" idiot

if you're not reading english posts in djt and trying to recall the associated kanji then you're doing rtk all wrong and you need to fix that shit asap because based heisig said so

>>20857807
i think somehow you both got the point and missed it entirely in the same post

>>20857807
it's common sense

>>20857794
>>20857780
Why the fuck would you want to leran to write kanji when you first start? You can learn to write later, you should be learning to read and understand first.
You want Kanji to hiragana and audio, with picture/english hint keyword. You want to see the kanji and understand it it's meaning not know how to write from english words thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

>>20857807
i care

>>20857829
Because the knowledge of knowing how the kanji are constructed by writing them, be it physically or in your mind makes you truly remember and distinguish a kanji against others, you complete fucktard. Why would you learn to recognize english keywords when seeing kanji? This is only useful for the most beginner tier words, who the fuck would ever do RTK for this?

so I downloaded some RAW episodes and some JP subs but the timing doesn't match at fucking all, what am I supposed to do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrLhxUefARE

mfw the clowns arguing about kanji in this thread probably couldn't even guess the onyomi of 汗

>>20857829
>Why the fuck would you want to leran to write kanji when you first start?
literally who are you quoting
i never said you should do rtk at the start, but if you are dead set on doing it, keyword to kanji is the only way that makes sense

>>20857855
turn off the subs

>>20857855
a) give up
b) find different subs
c) retime the subs yourself in aegisub

>>20857862
I'm going with kan

>>20857847
>makes you truly remember and distinguish a kanji against others
bullshit, I learned all of the kanji without ever writing them, took me half the effort
>Why would you learn to recognize english keywords when seeing kanji?
How are you magically not doing that by writing it out? You're a fucking idiot.

what's the point of even arguing about it. just do w/e works for you lol no need to be a zealot

>>20857855
Just go to one of the sites that offers raw anime with japanese subs that are especially made for learning like daiweeb.org, retard.

>>20857855
animelon dude.

>>20857887
Don't ask me, I'm not retarded enough to need to do RTK to begin with. I'm just telling you that there is fucking no benefit to doing what you're doing. Might as well have not done it at all.

>>20857898
ew the video quality is so bad

you are a massive retard whether you say it or not

>>20857911
Beggars can't be choosers. If you're just starting out you won't watch any anime anyway, you will go trough a slideshow.

>>20857855
seconding aegisub

>>20857909
I've been able to read thousands of pages and I'm barely 6 months in. I'd say it worked great.

something something how much do u understand

>>20857962
had to look up 氏神

I finally understand 振り回される. 以上ざます

>>20857962
my texthooker isn't working on this image, mr stark

>>20857952
Post the highest work you have read.

the anti rtk brigade likes to give examples of words and say how easy it is to "just know the difference" or whatever. they don't tell you that you have to memorize thousands of such cases.
rtk makes you build a system to remember instead of just rote memorization that gets hairy. and after all that shitty memorization with no method they still don't know how to write lol. worst is they'll call you "dumb" for doing it the easy way. just goes to show you any dekinai can type the word dumb online
if you can't write 櫻 from memory you aren't worthy of speaking to me

>>20857982
The fact that you think you can write after doing RTK is proof of your idiocy. You don't know Japanese by the way.

>>20857939
every episode i need to go there and timeshift everything back? what a pain in the dick

>>20857962
what's this from looks cool

>>20858012
it'll only take a few minutes unless you have like 400 episodes

>>20858011
i know japanese and can write

>>20857974
>>20857978
gambaloo
>>20858019
https://vndb.org/v3104

>>20857982
You don't need to use rote memorization at all. You can use mnemonic techniques just as well without RTK, even better since you don't have to clutter your memory with heisig's retarded mnemonics. After two weeks of learning vocab the kanji become significantly easier to memorize and this continues to happen the more kanji you know.

>>20858012
that's why I learned to watch anime without jp subs

>>20857855
download an alternate release to see if one better aligns with the jp sub you dummy

>>20858044
it's usually an issue of them being synced to accommodate commercials, so any BD/DVD release will not fix the problem. you either need a different source for subs or to retime them yourself

>>20857981
I'm not saying I'm a pro reader or anything but at least I can read basic stuff pretty easily. I'm 15% into both of these books. I also read some Haruhi, NHK youkoso, Kino no tabi, fanda menda mausu, and a bunch of other stuff. I"m only having to look up 1 word per page sometimes. I'm still a noob, but great for 6 months.

why don't japanese DVD/BDs have subtitles?

>>20858055
he made it sound like the timings are just off by a few seconds rather than off due to the reasons you described. in that case just use these:
https://forum.kitsunekko.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=522&p=1233#p1233

there's also a timing tool linked at the bottom of the thread that automatically aligns the timing of the JP subs to english subs (regardless of how distorted the timings are by commercial breaks) and it works pretty well.

>>20858057
And why would you give RTK the credit for this? What makes you better at reading is reading. I have read since my first week and I could read basic LNs too after a couple of months.

>>20858074
I'm not giving rtk the credit, I'm saying I learned to do it without writing the kanji like rtk suggested. I only matured half my rtk deck and got sick of it and deleted it.

>>20858063
off by about 2 minutes actually, can't fathom why because all of the dialogue lines up perfectly once I moved everything earlier. wish it was just in the pack. both Dragonball and Bleach weren't included in that guys mega pack, seems like a pretty big oversight..

>>20858063
oh shit, I'm not the guy who asked but I forgot this existed, it was even already on my hard drive

>>20858090
when i watched DB a few months ago, i used the jp subs on kitsunekko which are only off by like 1 or 2 seconds with the DB release i downloaded. and they were easily corrected with the aligner. few hitches here and there but was enjoyable.

haven't mined anything in two weeks

>>20856346
>>20857669
Manga isn't reading.

>>20858139
what is it

>>20858146
looking at pictures

>>20858146
lots of things

>>20858178
what about the japanese text