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Finally got around to finishing Apocrypha yesterday.
Fuck ya'll, that was good. Not great, pretty bad as a story, but still a fuckton of fun. Great spectacle. Lot of fantastic fights towards the end, which is saying something for how little I cared about most of the people involved in them.
Astolfo was (somehow) fantastic from start to finish. No idea where that lack of self confidence came form, though. Mordred and Necromancer were the best part of the show and deserved to be the focus. Drac and Frank were fun. William was a late bloomer, but oh man was he great towards the end. Semiramis was pretty low-key great too, though that's probably those wonderful, WONDERFUL ears talking.
Everyone else was...pretty dull, but with a couple exceptions not outright bad. Seven hits and a bunch of B-listers makes for a pretty good cast, I'd say, especially when said B team is having these kick ass fights every other episode.

On those exceptions, though...
Jack sucked, Sieg was appallingly boring, and shockingly, Jeanne was...terrible. Like really, really bad, she was just completely worthless. What did she do? What did she accomplish? Blocked a big laser that one time, talked a lot of shit, started a few fights before passing them on to somewhat better characters, which all amounts to fucking nothing. Then in the grand finale she unleashes her super mode...and gets immediately crushed and dies. What the fuck. I still like her design, and the bits of her hitch-hiking and bussing around at the beginning were great, but...that's it, and it's ONLY those tiny bits that keep her being from the worst part of the entire show. Plus she has horrible taste in men. How the fuck do you make a heroine this bad?
At least she gave them an excuse to use Gilles again. Good for him, protecting his waifu at last, that was nice.

Fantastic music too, before I forget.

>>20835843
>Jeanne was...terrible. Like really, really bad, she was just completely worthless.

She was the token Saberface.

>>20835843
>>20835852
I just started this show as well. Six episodes in and Shirou is looking badass. I hate the entire Jeanne/homunculus boy subplot but Necromancer/Mordred is getting up there as one of the best tag teams.

>>20835860
Was she? I question that. Saber-inspired, clearly, but I never got the vibe that Jeanne was just another Saber. Mordred was closer to that than her.

What even was her arc? Falling in love? God, that just...happened, too. Out of nowhere. The fuck even sparked that?

>>20835869
Oh, shit. I'll try not to spoil anything, even though I totally did in the very post you linked. Sorry, anon.

>>20835908
It's all good anon. But you seem to be mistaken and I'll correct you:
Semiramis' ears are the
>worst
part about best girl.

>>20835919
I will gouge out your eyes with her inexplicable palm spikes you fucker.

>>20835939
If it's her doing it then I wouldn't mind. Reminds me the shame of wasting such a lewd master on an ungrateful faggot like Astolfo. As expected of the worst rider.

>>20835897
She was a Saberface mostly in design I mean. So much so that in Fate Zero, Gilles de Rais mistook vanilla Saber for her.

>What even was her arc? Falling in love? God, that just...happened, too. Out of nowhere. The fuck even sparked that?

Curvy blonde + lonely otaku viewers with no roasties to spend their money on.

>>20835946
Oh. So you just have no taste. Alright then.

>such a lewd master
Exists for Astolfo to no-sell her shitty dom attempts and that's it. Granted, that's a pretty good role, but that's still it.

>>20835843
>It was good!
>Except, you know, all the focus and screentime on Jeanne and Sieg which was like 90% of the series... But that doesn't count!

>>20835958
To be fair, I don't think Ol' Gilles has the best eyes. You're right, though, I somehow forgot about that. No, no, Gilles, that's a terrible mistake. Saber wins and accomplishes things much more often than Jeanne.

>Curvy blonde + lonely otaku viewers with no roasties to spend their money on.
Yeah no shit, I know she's waifubait, but that doesn't answer my question. Even if she was created to lure horny nerds in, she's still the main heroine, why would you not do anything with her at all?
Didn't they say that Rulers could command servants or something? What ever happened to that?

>>20835984
More like 70%. Maybe 60%.
I can't really put up much of an argument, but the fact is I watched it and enjoyed it and not in a 'so bad it's good' way. That's a good in my book.
Makes me wonder how great it would have been if it had focused on some of the better characters.

>>20835998
He used a NP just to scribble over his own profile.

>>20835998
>Makes me wonder how great it would have been if it had focused on some of the better characters.
Apocrypha is something that was flawed from the get go in my opinion. DUDE WHAT IF WE TOOK A HGW... AND DOUBLED THE PARTICIPANTS AND MADE IT A HGW VS HGW sounds cool on paper it's much harder to properly apply in practice. It's not something that would work on LN format unless you're super skilled and even then a bunch of characters are likely to get shafted. Apocrypha would work better as a VN where everyone gets some focus per route and gets offed early in some other routes and so on.

>>20835843
I had more fun with Apocrypha than the anime version of UBW. Also, Jeanne was cuter than Arthuria

>>20836010
I meant that as in the show was good even despite it focusing on the bad characters. So, logically speaking, it could only be better if it had focused on the good guys.
I'll agree it could have been handled better, though. A lot better. Would have liked all these Whoevers too shine a bit too. Make me care about Achilles and Chiron and Atlanta and...Karnak? Karna? The sun guy.

>>20836013
For all her many, MANY faults, Jeanne is indeed cute.

>I had more fun with Apocrypha than the anime version of UBW.
Consider how much I disliked UBW in the VN, I feel I'm too biased against it to judge the anime. Not that I've watched much of it.

Overall Fate Jeanne is one of the worst fictional depictions of her that I can recall.
She literally existed so her and Sieg could do a Last Episode at the end.
Very little of her historical personality has been properly conveyed, which is a shame.

>>20836056
It's amazing how IRL Jeanne is more crazy and over the top than Fate's Jeanne.

>>20836056
I'm honestly amazed she has fans at all. She's one of the worst characters in the Nasuverse by far.

>>20836056
The LN shows more of her historical side, like addiction to explosives, shit-talking skills as she gets late sometimes because she was arguing with people, gets called to verify the geas made with the homunculi where she remembers her last months were a “war at court” and analyzes the geas to verify any trap in it etc.
It’s interesting because the LN points out Shakespeare wrote about her in Henry V as well, with him saying he had his unfair share of fun using her when alive, matching how he came from a time people already knew her trials were a set-up

>>20836095
>>20836056
>>20836078
Ha. Boy I'm sure glad we skipped that.

>>20836094
Tell me about it. Before this, I didn't know anything about Jeanne, but liked her just on visuals alone. "Well she looks nice" I thought. Her being one of the star players is part of why I ended up watching Apocrypha at all, in fact. So I guess she worked as intended? Still blueballed.
On the plus side, I no longer feel bad about her best doujin being horrible tentacle hell stuff.

>>20835843
>it was good
>but bad "as a story"
>recognizes that most of the characters are FGO-tier shit

You're contradicting yourself, anon. Also, as much as people wank some of the fight scenes, the sound mixing makes most of those unbearable. And the show overall looks like shit 90% of the time. The color palette and backgrounds are also trashy.
There are actually people who praise Appcrypha while shitting on Last Encore. At least LE had the decency of having acceptable visuals for a Shaft show.

>>20836233
Sheesh the sound mixing. Who thought blowing out the viewer's eardrums with bass booms the entire fight was as good idea?

>>20836029
>Consider how much I disliked UBW in the VN, I feel I'm too biased against it to judge the anime. Not that I've watched much of it.

Why do you dislike UBW?

>>20836233
>There are actually people who praise Appcrypha while shitting on Last Encore.
I enjoyed LE for the acid trip it was, and Apocrypha as a guilty pleasure for some characters that aren't cardboards.

>>20838377
Thanks Nasu

>>20838377
Isn't that Void? They really went for maximum cringe with these Valentines scenes

>>20836233
I'm not seeing the contradiction. A show can be entertaining and fun with a bad plot and a lot of dull characters.
I've never played FGO, so I can't say if the Apocrypha cast is better or worse.

>the sound mixing makes most of those unbearable
>And the show overall looks like shit 90% of the time.
>The color palette and backgrounds are also trashy.
If you say so.

>>20836536
I didn't like Caster and her Master as main villains, I didn't really care for the Emiya/Shirou dynamic, and despite starring the best heroine, Rin was by far at her worst in this route, going from a competent and powerful you can always rely on too a blushy, girly wimp who always needs to rely on you. Some good fights, some nice Rin/Shirou scenes despite the weaker former, but that's pretty much it.

>>20841156
Sleepy Arc

>>20838377
Not really
At this point Saber Shiki is as different from actual Shiki as Ishtar is to Rin

>>20841239
Relaxed Arc
Why does most of her fanart depict her during daytime? Wouldn't she feel most comfortable during the early evening or just before dawn?

>>20835869
>Subplot
That's the main plot, sorry to disappoint you.

So given how I enjoyed Apocrypha and it's shallow as fuck characters and mindless action and pretty bad story, I got to thinking, maybe FGO is worth a try after all. Why not? It's been forever since First Order convinced me to stay the fuck away from this shit, maybe it's time to consider it again. But...

>Limited Servents
...why? What? Why is this a thing? That seems...so contrary to the supposed mission statement of this game. Collect your waifus and go on a magical adventure through time, and give us your money so can collect said waifus faster, maybe!
Except you can't collect your waifus. At all. They were from this limited-time event a couple years back and are now completely impossible to acquire. It doesn't matter how much money you shove into this thing, you can't get your waifu, so...don't. Don't pay anything.
What is this? This seems like it makes the exact opposite of sense.

>>20841252
I still don't like it. It just feels like exploiting these characters. "Hey, sorry this character you like has a canonical, happy relationship. It's all good, though. Your self-insert can have a romantic relationship with her body snatcher."

>>20841355
I hate Ishtar too honestly, they're just 2 different ways of recycling a character design in a garbage game and pander to its self-inserting players. Void makes me more annoyed since I love Shiki, and Void had already had a role in KnK epilogue.

>>20841363
I admittedly like Ishtar's design at least. The porn is good. But I don't really care for the constant body snatching of beloved established characters. It's tip-top pandering of the worst kind especially since in some cases it retroactively degrades past works.

But whatever. Seems to be a thoroughly established precedent in FGO at this point - I wonder who will get body snatched next?

>>20841381
Body snatched Issei :')

>>20841386
Imagine some thot stealing Issei's body
The internal struggle would be real

>>20841381
It's not just the pandering aspect, it's how those characters are still used in "serious" parts of the story, as if the game wasn't hard enough to get invested in already. Like, I'd be fine with Ishtar taking over Rin's body as a dumb April Fool's thing (if they still bothered to do those), it's a fun design, but nope, she's a totally established, permanent character. Part of why Babylonia is trash is bringing in FSN character designs for Ishtar and Jaguar Man, it clashes so hard with the entire mood they try to set.
I'll never understand how anyone enjoys FGO's story as anything more than "stupid contrived bullshit".

>>20841350
You don’t understand? By limiting the available banner, people are forced to spend money as the countdown ends and their waifu isn’t rolled. Unlucky people fail to get Jeanne Alter in 2.000 dollars and this is how they make money with this game. A simple system that basically prints money. That’s why Nasu couldn’t care less for VNs anymore.
but depending on the gacha, one can predict when they will return. Let us say you want to roll Artoria Lancer Alter. She is from London, so when a new section of the story arrives, around that time they open up story banners etc.

>>20841415
Okay sure, that's scummy and probably works great on the people already playing the game, but...what about drawing in new players? Tons and tons of waifus that are straight impossible to get, unless they do a re-run or whatever. Wanna get the game to hang out with Jeanne Alter or whoever? Well not only do you have to hope rolls go your way, you also have to hope they make her available again at all, and you have no idea if they ever will.
That's retarded. It's like buying a Mario game with no jumping on the hope that they'll someday add jumping to the game.

>>20841435
Yup. Though if I’m not mistaken, that’s why most of the FSN servants are low rarity, as during that time, FGO was just a mobile to advertise main games instead of the other way around. Story is worse in earlier chapters, servants fans recognize would be easier to acquire (Hassan and Kojiro are bronze, Medea, Cu and Medusa are silver, Hercules and EMIYA can be gotten at the tutorial, Artoria is the only truly hard to get).
When they noticed that they hit jackpot, then they started taking it seriously and jewing people hard. If any of the original FSN servants were released today, high chances that they’d be high rarity or limited, though technically they made alternate versions of them for thay

>>20841463
I mean, I guess that's something? I'll be honest, I wouldn't be playing this game for the classic crew. Kinda sick of them at this point.
Though it seems more like I just won't be playing it at all. Fucking hell, Grand Order. I keep wanting to give you a shot, can't deny the appeal of playing Time Cop with a bunch of cute anime girls, but you just won't stop spitting out reasons for me to stay away. Pic related!

>>20841435
they don't give a single fuck about new players because they know a good amount of people will start the game just because it's popular regardless.

there's like a 80% chance you're going to be stuck at the camelot singularity as a new player because the game doesn't hand out enough currency to guarantee you have a good lineup, and the best way to get upgrade materials is by doing events, which they have increasingly locked behind having cleared the latest chapter. the only realistic chance you have is clinging to a veteran players servants like a disgusting leech or breaking summoning currency for endless continues.

>>20841485
Oh. Ooooh no, so it's also imbalanced. So this is game that's wild success doesn't just sabotage it's franchise, it sabotages itself. Oh no, oh no.

>>20841483
As a player that likes this thing (and most TM stuff), I have to say: this is too addicting, man. It may be best to stay away cause this gacha really doesn’t treat the playerbase well. The rates are VERY low, the currency is dry, and if you are aiming for a specific servant you are pretty much set for steeling yourself to save up for months for that 0.7% chance of rolling them that you may even fail. I’m to deep in this rabbit hole, have seen people spend thousands in this and fail, I’m sure I’m only here because I was lucky that the one servant I truly wanted I got but that may have just triggered Stockholm Syndrome and put me in a road of no return.

>>20841514
>0.7%
nope nope nope nope nope nope
Abort, retreat, not dealing with that. Fuck you, FGO. Maybe if you weren't a money-printing machine you could be good, but...you are. Sorry, various Apocrypha folks, your Fate career ends where it began as far as I'm concerned.

>>20841523
And now I have saved one more from this hell

>>20841523
not like fgo has good writing for servants anyway.
in the mainquests they are all as bland as possible, and 95% of the events are all pure comedy putting every servant on crack and spew unfunny jokes every second line.
the only event they even remotely did a good good job with is CCC.

http://fate-go.cirnopedia.org/quest_event.php
look at this shit. I'm telling you every single one is garbage.

>>20841550
Thanks for that, anon.

>>20841556
I don't doubt it, but...again, just loved the hell out of Apocrypha. Apparently my standards are strange.

Oh, as long as I've got a friend on the inside around...

There been any Olga developments recently? She was the only part of that OVA I gave a damn about, and a combination factors made it a pretty strong damn to give. Still check in occasionally too see if anything's changed with her.
I know there's this ice alien lady made of nothingness or something who's very, VERY clearly implied to either be Olga or closely connected to her in some way, the current plot arc is supposedly masterminded by her dad, and the sun thing she got chucked in is currently frozen solid, and...that's all I've got. Anything new?

>>20841581
literally nothing, everything related to aliens is just straight up theorycrafting because they haven't revealed jack shit.

>>20841559
I think it’s more like you have “normal” standards. Most people don’t think too much about whatever show they are watching and are just in for the fun and to pass time. Apocrypha is on that side, kind of like superhero shows and stuff.

>>20841581
Nothing on her. Theories arose since her hairstyle reminds Solomon’s, the OVA and the Priestess being implied related to her, but not much since then. Chances are that during the Greek Lostbelt we will discover more, but Sion said we have to go to India imediately first

>>20841599
Fuck you, Solomon. Supreme magic man's right there, hanging out, and doesn't do a god damn THING to see if you can fish your precious not-daughter outta that Worldsoul. Not even an attempt. Everyone's guilty of that, but especially you. Jesus Christ. I know there's probably good reason for it, circumstances I don't know, I fucking HOPE, but...whatever.

>>20841586
>>20841599
Dang. Well, thanks, will keep an ear to the door for Greece.

Happy belated V-day, by the way.

>>20841581
Don't forget young Olga in Case Files anime

>>20841688
Ehhhh. It's more wanting to get her out of this eternal suffering loop than wanting more Olga content. Yes I'm sure she's having a good time in spinoffs, who cares, original is still dying horribly forever. Or forever from her perspective, whatever, it's not okay either way.

>>20841701
Wasn't Chaldeas destroyed already because of Ana and Kirei/Rasputin ?
Also at least in FSN timeline, Olga is chosen as Marisbilly's successor though

>>20841754
I wouldn't know.

>>20841786
Anyway, did you watch Moonlight/Lostroom ? Here are some info about her and the Animusphere's chant from Lostroom material:

>Olga Marie Animusphere Info

>A dream that doesn't exist. Magician's Top who brought forth Chaldea to the Mage Association. Animusphere Clan are the group who have created and managed the Chaldea Organization. Animusphere are one of the Clans in the Clocktower to have the title of "Lord" bestowed upon them, however the current Regiment of the Clan, Olga Marie, is a novice who have had the position inherited to her 3 years ago after the death of her father. After the disappearance of the future was discovered by CHALDEAS, she became in charge of the situation...however...

>FGO Part 2 PV Moving Message Information:

>Star (Shape of the Star), Cosmos (Shape of Space), Gods (Shape of Gods), Animus (Shape of Myself). Antrum (Celestial Bodies are Hollow) . Anvas (Hollow is the Void). Anima, Animusphere (In the Void, lies God)

>>20841797
I did. It was a thing. I don't remember much besides being still kinda depressed over the previous episode. That crackling fireplace during the big chat was fucking mean.

>Star (Shape of the Star), Cosmos (Shape of Space), Gods (Shape of Gods), Animus (Shape of Myself). Antrum (Celestial Bodies are Hollow) . Anvas (Hollow is the Void). Anima, Animusphere (In the Void, lies God)
Neat. And ominous!
Always thought that chant would make for a good central element to a boss theme. You know that "THIS CANNOT CONTINUE" song from NieR? Something like that.

>>20841808
There are many theories said that Marisbilly probably has some connections with the Alien God. Also remember that his death is still surrounded by mystery

>>20841840
I am 100% sure his ~mysterious death~ has absolutely no relevance to future plot events whatsoever, and he will in fact never be brought up again.

>>20841866
Holmes find it suspicious, but since Holmes himself is at best useless, at worst suspicious, I suspect the guy just suicidated because his magnum opus was achieved

>>20841866
>he will in fact never be brought up again.
Anon...
>>20841876
Holmes is really suspicious, too. We still don't know why he can go through every singularity + Surtr's suggestion in LB2

>>20841876
Or for more sinister reasons.

>>20841866
Marisbilly is somewhat more relevant to the plot than his daughter lol

>>20841893
Anon...
NEVER!

>>20841919
Oh, don't worry, I know. Nobody cares, knows, or remembers anything about...um...uh...Tutorial Lady.

>>20841924
>Tutorial Lady
Wow. But Kirsch is following Marisbilly's ideal so no ._.
Also more info about FGO 2004 Holy Grail War when ? Holmes knew all the masters and he didn't tell us anything

https://twitter.com/Aya_tobi/status/1096251820173799424?s=19

lol

>>20841979
>Wow.
Sorry, that was harsh. Foxhole humor, you know?

You do know I don't actually know much of anything about FGO, right?

>>20842049
Translation please

Anyone know how to rebind the controls in Melty Blood? I genuinely can't find it because I'm a dumbass and playing with wasd cvb hurts my soul.

>>20842059
So, do you want to know more about FGO ?

>>20842109
He wants to get a refund on his leftover premium because he's not playing FGO anymore; basically he's requesting for it to be turned into money.

>>20842114
Not really. Already got my one question answered, so...

>>20842112
Playing the steam version or community version?
I don't remember on steam, but the latter was super easy to find.

>>20841523
It’s 3% for an SR and 1% for an SSR each time you roll. When there is a rate-up, that 1% becomes 0.7% for the specific servant and 0.3% for all the spooks nobody wants each time you roll.
The ironic part is that while FGO sucks at giving you gold servants in general (this essentially means a 10-roll has roughly 40% chance of giving one), the rate-up chances are actually the better one of the gachas. You won’t get as many rare cards, but the chances of you getting what you want are technically higher.
Never spend money on this game or you end up as one of those people. Either you roll who you want without spending anything, or you got 600+ rolls for it. There is to midway either you have luck or you don’t

Alright anons, enough FGO talk for one thread, it's making me sick.

>>20842924
Ok.
Shakespeare is the strongest servant
Hinako actually feels like a setup for the potential Tsukihime remake. An elemental, nearly like a True Ancestor that yet is not one and lacks bloodlust only drinking when in a complete emergency to replenish mana? Nasu went way out of her way to make that concept. It feels like something with True Ancestors will happen soon in Type-Moon and this different type of vampires will be involved in it.

>>20842924
So...let's talk about Koha-Ace !

I find it really odd how so many of the things the people here complain about FGO are things that have become completely normal and industry standard by now but it's only bad when Fate does it. I bet over half of the people who bitch about FGO here shamelessly play other phone games willfully ignoring their hypocrisy.

>>20843229
people bitch at fgo because they make the most money, and yet they refuse to hand out free shit.
the amount of quartz and tickets they hand out is just pathetic compared to any other gacha game. you'd need 3 livestream celebrations for a single 10 roll.

>>20843229
>>20843332
I bitch because I genuinely like the game and gameplay, also for giving some developement for servants that really needed it like Hassan, Siegfried etc. but Jesus, couldn’t they treat the playerbase a bit better? Also goddammit, the game is very easy to sustain with low cost, they really could spare stuff in more sideprojects, but Nasu is in love with Extraverse for some reason so it’s all Extella.
Expanding it further with Requiem was a step in the right direction, but I really wish for something else.

>>20843229
>play other phone games
No thanks. I only touched fgo because it's TM related.

>>20842201
Late response but I'm using the community version. I can't find it in the options or anywhere and it hurts my soul.

>>20843229
I play LLSIF and F/GO. I can tell you that LLSIF is by far more generous - at least in its current state; can't talk about how it was in the past. There's always some event, love gems are easy to get, it's fairly easy to get SRs, SSRs and I have around 10 URs despite never spending a cent on this game. The gameplay is fun, the girls are still cute. Can't complain. With F/GO, all I keep getting are literally-who servants and these nearly worthless fucking cards. I've been playing for a month and all I have that I care for is shota Gil. In contrast, when I got into LLSIF, I was just given an R (not that impressive, but F/GO gives you nothing) girl of my choosing, and I was able to get the rest of the cast pretty quickly in some quality. By the time I was playing it for a month I already had URs.

>>20843229
Only phone game I force myself to suffer through is FGO shit, and I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot stick if it had nothing to do with Type-Moon.

>>20843505
Anon, open it through CCCaster. It's right there.

>>20835843
As much as I don't care about FGO, Sieg as character is more lively there because he's allowed to actually interact and talk his thoughts and even have random fun without being forced into this Amakusa vs Jeanne conflict that sucked out all his potential.

Jeanne's still boring as fuck, I have no idea what people see in her other than the Saberface and the tits.

>>20844563
I like how lively but goody-two-shows she is. Also her desire to have a family and be an older sister

>>20841586
>aliens
No, normalfags saw the lostbelt invasion as "aliens" from space because they couldn't explain it. "Lost History Infiltration Phenomenon", that's what causing this, not aliens (some stupid idiots mistranslated it in the PV sub as "outsider" or some shit, it's wrong because they didn't know japanese at all). There's no actual aliens hint in the actual story other than the self-proclaim unseen boss claim he's a "god of another planet" when he's established as a deceiver and liar so you're supposed to take him as seriously as Goetia claiming he's Grand Caster Solomon in London. Worse because you see him using and lying to his followers.

Every single piece of material Nasu published in Lostroom it's firmly pointing is Olga and her father. And in part 1 finale we had hints about who the enemy is (Beast VII of the End, in time temple; Sin of Shame, in Babylonia). The most obvious clue is that the emergency Chaldea got ready for was detected in 2015 and yet Olga's father, who committed suicide on the control room, had a team of 7 "Crypters" assembled for another purpose (he specifically told Olga to not address them as Master Candidates). I need to remind 4 things too:

A) Olga's creepy ghost child self in MB Manga. She is cpable of dragging the soul of Sion to Siamlin world. Arc can only bring her back if she goes full Archetype Earth. What is Olga?
B) Olga died yet her soul didn't disperse. Her body immediately should have painted the walls, and the rayshifting operation didn't happen until long after that. Why? Where did her father was found dead? Hint: next to the control room, next to the control panel that activates rayshifting.
C) This began in Fuyuki which was a Singularity without Humanity Value that Goetia didn't start.
D) The reason why Olga's father wanted to activate Chaldeas was to get answers to some questions about the instabiliy of the Ages of Men and the end of the Ages of Gods. He couldn't do this unless he gets money to operate Chaldeas. Solomon immediately gets his vision of Goetia's plan in action after they make their wishes (and we know for sure it's unrelated to Solomon's because Goetia's plan exists outside the timelines Solomon became Roman). In Cosmos of the Lostbelt, Wodime mentions how the god didn't like the answers found in panhistory, even if all right, he preferred the discarded histories ones.

The OP lyrics connect strongly to "shame" as theme and we know it has spoilers for everything as part 1 OP does.

Nasu's enemies are thematic, this is FGO far side, aliens are just filler characters and Servants, who are confirmed unable to stop the actual enemies (the Beasts - Nasu said this was what FGO was about and its main theme: history).

In the plot, Chaldea is completely blind to all these outside material because they are kept in the dark though. Gil didn't even warn them Beast VII manifested but you, the player, knows. They get red herrings as usual, as in part 1. It's the players that should ignore it and read what's available of things Chaldea doesn't know. Like how Part 1 had spelled aloud "Solomon" was actually Beast I since London profile.

>>20841581
Asking most of /tmg/ who don't play fgo and get their biased information from BL is wasting your time. Go to demonition site and search the manifesto of Gordolf = Olga comparison by actual Japanese who understand the story. Which is extremely important to understand Olga's role here. Gordolf is a character who has been inserted in the story and took away everything Olga could have had in the plot, including the ability to rayshift. Starting similar but his fate got averted and was saved. He's though compared in the plot in a positive way vs Olga, like Olga is his darker foil.

That priestess who appeared first when Guda and Mashu talked about Olga? She watched how Gordolf got saved. And the scene lingered on her. You fucking bet that wasn't accidental.

Cosmos is a story about the ones who are "winners" and "losers." There are foils of the cast empathized on the other side sometimes.

You won't get a more obvious hint until after LB5, they took three LBs to confirm Fou's intelligence has returned. We know the priestess "doesn't remember yet" how to communicate in our language, by the way. This means she's not alien at all, if it wasn't already obvious. She forgot.

I said enough FGO REEEEEEEEE

>>20844839
People hate wormslut and people hate OLD MEN but is there anyone who actually hates Saber? There are many out there who may not like her that much or consider her Best Girl, but are there those who really dislike her?

>>20844854
I really don't think so, she's my least favourite FSN heroine but still cute and a good character.
Only people I can see actively disliking Saber are some Zero secondaries, and complete outsiders who are tired of seeing her clones.

>>20816065
There's this group who's been working on a CCC translation for a couple years, but they haven't made any posts on their blog so the thing might be dead. If anyone wants to make a translation they should try to contact them though, maybe a good part of the job is done already and it'd be a waste starting again from scratch.
https://iwakuraproductions.wordpress.com/

>>20844768
>demonition site
Uh, right. I'll just take your word for it.

>Gordolf
I completely forgot this rape doujin antagonist-looking fatass existed. Of all the characters to bring back, this guy. Or his son, whatever. And he's an Olga replacement, can't forget that!
Man. Fuck this game.

>including the ability to rayshift
FUCK this game.

>>20844839
sorry

>>20844854
I am absolutely positive that there's some people who dislike her based on her million clones alone. Pushing a character that hard can't not have that effect on some folks.

>>20844952
>rape doujin antagonist-looking fatass
He's literally the nicest guy, though a bit dumb.

>>20844994
I'll take your word for it.

>>20844854
I used to hate her when it seemed like anything and everything related to TM was centered around her but it's not so bad these days.

>>20844908
Oh jeez. These retards.

>>20843505
If you're running it not through the caster then you can't rebind the keyboard controls without using a tool. I'm pretty sure the most recent version comes with that tool though, I think it's just called mbaacctool and another called keybinder and keybinder sets it up so that when you run the game through mbaacctool it runs with your preferred key bindings

>>20845005
He takes homunculi with short lifespam left to enjoy vacation in Hawaii during the Servant Comikets

>>20844908
I bet the game is 18% translated since they don't want to say anything about it.

>>20845005
It’s ironic because Tamamovitch planned to use him thinking he’d an asshole but turns out she was wrong and he foils some of her plans like by surviving or eating half of a poisoned cake intended for us

>>20845069
My friend - who is quite talented at translation - actually contacted them a few years back when he had tons of free time and offered him his services. They never replied back until a year later.

If they had actually got him on board no doubt CCC would be translated today. He's an extremely fast translator, but nowadays he's too busy teaching Japanese as an actual profession to work on fan-tls.

Why can't TM/Fate fans work together to translate TM works? I mean, people stay here complaining the whole day that FGO is shit and that people only care about FGO. Seriously, a lot of Fate works are not available for people like me that don't know japanese. No one is translating Requiem, Apocrypha (we got the anime at least, but the novel seems dropped), Prototype, El-Melloi II. I even wonder if I’ll be ever able to read the next volume of Strange Fake. No one wants to translate CCC or Mahoyo either. Every time a new TM anime is released, it sells very well (not counting Extra), so there are a lot of people that might be interested in the franchise. But no, you people are here saying only “Learn Japanese!”. I wonder why people only play FGO. No one will ever care about anything else if it continues like this.

>>20843229
I hate all phone games/gachashit.

>>20845204
Learn Japanese friend.

Every goddamn Nipponese company as popular as TM officially localizes shit, except for them.
The onus has to be on TM first and foremost.

The fuck is this thing and why is it in my Olga folder?

>>20845204
It's a lot easier to complain than it is to do something.

>>20844725
what's Sin of Shame again?

>>20845204
Because it's a lot of hard work and time investment to be doing for free. If you are that interested in more niche content, you either comission a professional translator, or you put in the effort and learn Japanese. That's how it's always been.
If you're not willing to do either, then you'll just have to be content with the more mainstream content that does get localized (which unfortunately in this case, is the garbage output of TM in the past 3 years).

>>20845227
Nasu is embarrassed of all of his visual novels so he probably doesn't want it to be translated, yeah

>>20845204
It's a shitload of time and commitment to spend for strangers.
Also the level of moon required to understand a story and the one required to properly translate it aren't the same. I wouldn't dare translate something with my low understanding of the language.
Beggars can't be choosers, learn moon friend.

>>20845266
>>20845318
I'm studying it, but I work 8+ hours per day, so I won't be able to read anything for I don't even know how much time. I'm not saying that one game has to be translated by only one person. How many people in this thread know japanese? How many people in other community like BL or reddit know japanese? Maybe, if more people could make more TM works known outside Japan, Nasu could actually work in something new. In the meanwhile, I'll keep buying Saint Quartz because it's the only Fate game I can enjoy.

>>20845268
Why does Nasu have such low self esteem? Tsukihime's visuals are extremely dated in all aspects (plus it has no voices), and yet it's still extremely engrossing today because of the strength of its setting, plot and characters. How many VNs from that era can still hold up today?

>>20845228
Looks like a demon pillar designed after Olga.

>>20845391
To be honest, I'm amazed that fan translation is even a thing. I can't speak for other languages, but fitting Japanese into English is basically like putting a square in a round hole. It's a bunch of hard work and it's really boring.

>>20845073
Because he was introduced as evil Olga but a fat bastard but turns out Olga's evil Gordolf.

>>20845391
>throwing money in a furnace on the futile hope that they might actually give back to their loyal supporters
Sigh, anything outside of ignoring or boycotting GO and similar practices only makes the problem worse.

>>20845250
In Babylonia. King Hassan warns the MC about two evils he must overcome. One is Pity and the other is Shame. He skipped over the filler midbosses and event ones to just address the first arc boss, and likely the second one. It was foreshadowing.

The scene wasn't translated well in NA so most blink and missed it. Since they cut all the emphasis of repeating why Pity was bad with Shame as a mirror on the same scene, "yeah guess Shame's too."

Shame, be shame of one self-being lacking, of their own sense of worthlessness. This can lead to lash out and reject help or suicide. Olga's dad killed himself in mysterious circumstances. The way the answers of panhistory, his own history, aren't 'good enough'. A Beast of the "End." Maybe is a Beast that would eventually be Humanity's suicide.

One of the few only main traits of the fucking MC that are actually consistent and aren't half-assed is the MC zest for life. The MC wants to live no matter what. So this beast being the opposite makes actual sense.

>>20845466
Thanks anon. I'll have to revisit that scene

>>20845063
In contrast to Olga who feared and avoided Mashu for what her family did to her. They are literally written as foils with Olga being the shittier person.

>>20845391
>Maybe, if more people could make more TM works known outside Japan, Nasu could actually work in something new.
I fail to see how these two things are correlated. Also Fragments has been translated on BL, parts of Case Files, most of Apocrypha, there's a blog having Gil's normal route of CCC, you can buy Extella/link, and I suppose you've read all the older works that are already fan-translated.
>I'm studying it, but I work 8+ hours per day, so I won't be able to read anything for I don't even know how much time.
You should buy some Fate manga and try to read them by yourself, that would be a good exercise. There's usually furigana for the Kanjis in the mangas, contrary to LNs.

>>20845476
Here anon. The NA text makes shame look like an afterthought and focus only on pity, the actual scene is a visual comparison. They fight another Evil here and King Hassan warns of Pity and Shame above all others (because are the "final boss" Sins IMO).

Read Against the Light lyrics. You have the feeling of being lacking and unable to do shit of the singer who is confirmed not as Mashu.

Nasu always insert hints the cast like Mashu or Guda fucking miss because they get baited with red herrings, but those hints are meant for the players to take into account. Like the scene with Roman's ring they misunderstood but served to the players to note "Roman hides the fact he's got a ring."

>>20845391
>I'll keep buying Saint Quartz
Eat shit, I regret even giving you advice.

>>20845400
Good question. I bet he'll still be embarrassed of HF despite the adaption being extremely succesful and Sakura's modern popularity being very high.

>>20845391
> buying SQ
Don't do this anon, if you save you can buy something that's actually awesome like a figurine or a daki of your girl instead of vainly trying to get gacha.

>>20845507
Wish I'd paid more attention. Most of the flavor text was not doing it for me so I speedread a lot of the earlier chapters. Thanks for pointing that out

Is anyone able to watch this? Anything important?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKGlUM9ymOY

>>20846155
>Anything important?
Of course not.

>>20845743
FGO is a weird mixed bag because I think the plot outline is good, so is the pacing of it, but at least in part 1 was really fucked up by superfluous fanservice and their inability to write mobage shit. They did get better in this. Even if they had to hastily set up Cosmos they dropped a lot of clues toward the end.

>>20846175
yeah I have no issues with the lore or story beats but good lord the meat of the story and character interactions are so dry

How many of you actually play FGO?

>>20846767
Not me but I just finished a rewatch of KnK 5 and remembered how amazing it was. I'm still not totally convinced it was necessary to do that much time skipping/out of chronological stuff though.

>>20846767
I played a while back but now I just watch the story cutscenes because that's all I really cared about in the first place

>>20846787
Do you have a good playlist of cutscenes on hand?

>>20846804
for english cutscenes, this guy updates pretty regularly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c54tdBQT3qw&list=PLBC8w17FA1cv9oe63cGhYEhlaqyQxAl6v

for JP cutscenes I'll just search youtube for
<singularity name> + プロローグ and then 第<chapter number>節

>>20846836
Thanks, anon

>>20846767
I got it recently. I'm not happy with the Gacha and if I don't get one of the original gang soon I'll just uninstall.

>>20846767
I do. Love hags.

>>20846767
I don't. Love lolis.

>/tmg/ hates FGO the most but are also the ones who properly talk, discuss and speculate about it's plot the best out of all the other Fate threads in the whole site combined

>>20845268
>>20845400
>>20845687
Nasu has one of the biggest "My old work is shit! Shiiiiit!" autisms that I've ever seen in my life. What annoys me more is that despite how much he seemingly wants to rewrite everything and more he doesn't, nope, he instead is re-re-re-re-re-rewriting Extra for the gorillionth time and sabotaging the adaptations of his original work instead, he really need organize his priorities. Nasu is 120% the type of person who needs someone glued to their hip babying them and telling them what to do or not do and keeping them in check otherwise they become a mess.

>>20847205
It's fun. People like it. So what if there's porn in it? What a fucking sperg. Has he even done anything worthwhile in the last 5 years? The last good thing that came out of TM is Mahoyo isn't it?

>>20844952
>I completely forgot this rape doujin antagonist-looking fatass existed.
He is the best director of Chaldea, anon. Here is just a very small part about him in LB2:

>Gordolf:

>It doesn’t seem to be a harsh life.

>Haven’t you thought about the future, and what would happen when you become an adult?

>Haven’t you thought about seeing the vast world… outside of this little village, travelling without fear of giantkin?

>Haven’t you… thought about obtaining freedom?
----------------------------------------------------
>Gordolf’s face turns crestfallen for a moment.

​

>Gordolf:

>Eei, why do I have to speak of this! Why should a mage be speaking of a human’s happiness!

>However, if no one will say it, then I will!

>What is going on here!? What the hell are you all doing!

>Your lifespan is set, yet you accept it all with a smile!

>Even if you are not angry, are you not at least afraid!?

>Even the Yaga, who were forced into a harsh lifestyle, had the freedom to “survive at all costs”, if nothing else!

>Dammit, I’m pissed, I’m really pissed! And the connection’s going bad! I’m going to bed! Bye!

>>20847184
Fools that can't let go of a franchise.

>>20847306
> Tsukihime Remake Soon

>>20847184
Blame Nasu for making it a canon lore dump.
GO should've been treated as a non-canon cashcow from the beginning.

>>20847314
Don't forget about parts 2 and 3 of Mahoyo.

>>20847329
With a Western release!

>>20846767
I played for the first two years and realized it wasn't good for my health and stopped.

>>20845204
>Why can't TM/Fate fans work together to translate TM works?
because they're all busy wasting their life on FGO just like you are.

besides, having more than one translator on a project is already a really bad idea in the first place. I don't even care if these "professional" vn translation companies do it, every second project they release is really fucking bad quality wise

He was a victim of circumstance.

>>20847492
and also a victim of no Melty participation

This is fun

>>20847500
Yeah, very fun

Finished reading F/SN a year or so ago and man it really is all downhill from there with TM huh.

>>20847539
Nah. F/HA is good. Mahoyo is good. Extra is average. CCC is good. After that, yeah, it's pretty much all downhill.

But there are some other good things outside of their "games." Tsuki no Sango is an enjoyable read, as is Case Files and especially Strange Fake.

Even FGO - while primarily trash - has some interesting things going on and a few good characters. It's just so degraded by its dogshit medium and mostly mediocre writing that it's easy to be harsh on it.

>>20847539
ditto to >>20847554.

pretty much everything pre-FGO is okay-to-great, and even FGO has interesting lore and plot outline, despite the shovelware servants.

Mahoyo is incredible and has the potential to be TM's magnum opus if they would just finish it. One of the most visually impressive VNs out there

There's lots of one-off short works like Tsuki no Sango, April Witch, and Canaan that are enjoyable as well.

>>20845204
>No one is translating Apocrypha
It's because someone is that there is no translation.

>>20845204
>No one wants to translate CCC or Mahoyo either
Aren't project open for those? French translation of Mahoyo is more or less complete

>>20847731
?

>>20847733
CCC english has been at 14% for forever and the TL is apparantly shit.

mahoyo is literally one dude on fuwanovel who never updates and an anon who hasn't posted since november

>>20847736
post more sexy elf

>>20847796
Alright.

>>20847736
Apocrypha isn't fully translated because of conflicts between different translators doing it.

>>20844011
Holy fuckles, thank you.

So what do these hand spikes actually mean, historically/mythological speaking? Same for the band she's got running between her hands. Seem like too big of details to just be random bits of design.

>>20846767
I do. Since I've grinded enough for my servants to be level max with skills maxed, now I just play it when there's new story.

>>20847831
looks like darts to infuse poison to me

>>20847827
So is the image I have of translators being retarded actually true?

>>20847922
That is one of many truths, it arguably isn't even the biggest problem.

>>20847922
They're artists, anon. Artists are weird.

>>20847922
Sometimes yes. Between the communities "rules", the competition for internet recognition and the egos, it can be quite explosif.

>>20847571
>interesting lore
True, but I don't know how so many people count this as a positive. They're just wasting a bunch of cool ideas that could lead to a great TM work, on the worst trash they've ever made.

>plot outline
While I'm not a fan of FGO's story and setting, it clearly had some thought put into it by Nasu, with stuff like the songs and Roman's character. So again, same as above, why is that a "positive"? Nasu is just wasting his ideas, time, and energy in an awful medium that can't convey a good story no matter how hard it tries, he does some amount of good set-up, but then the execution is always botched because it sucks as a VN, as a game, and because that protagonist still exists.

>>20847922
See it like this: a guy said he is gonna translate something, so no point in doing that as well because there is a chance he was really working and you both end releasing the same chapter.
Reality: it’s a fucking mafia and whoever calls dibs first now owns the right to translate and should anyone else interfere they will get harassed because of it. There is no teamwork and they are retarded.

>>20847922
still less retarded than you for not learning japanese

then again, half of the garbage they release is translated from another language or run through google translate anyway.

and the community sucks their dicks because "there is no better alternative!"
and then you post in /tmg/ about where all the translators are.

>>20846720
There is some good interaction (mostly involving main Chaldea characters, and Marie-Mozart in Orleans, for example, Euryale and Asterios, and America onward there are good balanced cast which have actual meaningful interaction). What hurts the most is the MC not being able to introspect to not ruin the fantasies, but when the MC does (in Proto Arthur quest, for example), Shimosa Manga, Moonlight Lostroom, and now in LB have more of that, it's actually quite fine. I feel nothing but sort of admiration for Urobuchi making convincing why Qin would actually respect Guda that much and trying to keep Guda silent for the forced setting. It felt actually organic.

>>20847303
Between the director's mantle, I like Roman better but I feel Roman is more Chaldea's King (as Cas Gil's interlude title suggests) than director. The one who gives them a soul, heart and a purpose (as Wodime is the Crypters for example). Chaldea functions the way it functions due to him rather than Olga or her father (they are "his living will"), while Gordolf is definitely better than Olgamarie for the director role. They both get that title as a direct comparison.
Da Vinci was good too, but she's better in her tech like role (and god I can't like her loli replacement personality, it lacks all her big sister warm/teasing mom vibes)

>>20849010
>I feel nothing but sort of admiration for Urobuchi making convincing why Qin would actually respect Guda that much and trying to keep Guda silent for the forced setting. It felt actually organic.
How did he do that?

>>20849090
Guda being an average Joe actually worked in Panhistory’s favor on convincing QSH to help us as when he about us, Guda says that if he wasn’t there to stop Qin, someone else would still be in his place.
I think Li Shuwen and Han Xing’s teamwork also helped though as Qin witnessing his own people working like that should have affected him

>>20849010
>and America onward there are good balanced cast which have actual meaningful interaction
Couldn't disagree more, to this day the cast of each chapter is 90% garbage. I hate the way characters and dialogue are written, feels super artificial and I can never get invested in it as a "serious" story (though it's even worse when it tries to be humorous/meta). I feel like being a cancerous gacha mobage is a major part of FGO's identity, and it prevents the story from being enjoyed on its own for what little value it might have.
Also disagree on Guda being "fine" when they try to give him a little bit of a character, he just becomes bland and boring instead of being a fucking camera following events around.

>>20845204
I want to translate both CCC and Mahoyo. I'm just working on solving some health issues in my life. I've been reading visual novels in japanese for several years now since the tlwiki peeps who helped me when I was learning put me off of translating when I was starting out because I should only do that after my knowledge is solid. Just please wait a little. I will work on a small title just to familiarize myself with translating, and then I'll start working on Mahoyo. I am actually really motivated to do it, but I have to focus on my physical health first.

>>20849640
You're a blessing, anon. Do your best, and of course health comes first.

>>20849090
Guda actually got somehow more showcase of their personality through being more active in LB3 (LB1 was kind of similar in this too with Kadoc and Avicebron, but more obvious in LB3). Guda's someone who desperately fights to live yet still lets Gordolf takes the cure and puts their lives on a stake by leading on the frontlines poisoned. They were about to die. Qin was impressed by that considering once shared the basic desire (to live) and all. Also Qin's "humanity is the one that bears the burden of choices" and was just one in his lb (Qin) was confronted by Chaldea way of doing things: many humans (weaker and less great than Qin as collective) becoming strong by join under one objective. He starts to change (allowing Han Xin and Li Su Wen do the same thing and they put the greatest battle in that LB; and making himself an individual humanoid body) before even Jin Ke confronted him. The LB was dedicated to change Qin's Mind and you could see how it slowly happened by being in contact with Chaldea, and Guda in particular.

I'm not surprised Qin won the survey for male and female Valentines scene people were looking forward the most because it's rightfully one of the few MC/Servant relationships that actually gradually developed in the story and make sense for actual reasons that aren't just random fanservice/you remind me to someone. It's also one that works conceptually because Guda is mean to be ordinary but stepping up to the plate for this and thus the type of people that would counter Qin's mindset.

>>20849589
Nightingale and Rama were great together and had more of the focus. So was Edison's development.

The rest was ok, or fillerish.

>>20849761
My complaints extend to every single chapter, anon. The only one to this day that manages to tell a somewhat decent story, despite half the characters still being shit, is Camelot.
And I couldn't care less about those 3 from America.

>>20849761
I found America quite boring personally, probably because I didn't care for Nightingale, Edison or Medb

>>20845204
im translating mahoyo too. more or less finished. i'd release it but you know how it is. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
why bother when i can just keep it all to myself while rubbing salt in your eyes :)

>>20849836
The more mannish, formal, style suits Rider incredibly well.

>>20848459
>Reality: it’s a fucking mafia and whoever calls dibs first now owns the right to translate and should anyone else interfere they will get harassed because of it.
What the fuck are they going to do? Break down your door and execute you?

>>20847917
I mean, yes, that's probably what she uses them for, but it still seems like something more than just an absurdly impracticable weapon.

>>20849863
>What the fuck are they going to do? Break down your door and execute you?
Yeah. They will break your little fragile hearth uguu. Downvote your plebbit posts. Go full on twitter crusade on you. Flame your private discord group. Soo scary and petty things that wouldn't even bother a true chadman. I swear to god fansubbers are a bunch of virgin pussies, each and everyone of them. There are no exceptions. Prove me wrong with actions. Protip; you can't.

>>20850105
when you already are doing hard work for free, being met ungrateful fags is enough to make you drop I guess

>>20850105
Does anyone have the screencaps of the meltdown over FHA release?

>>20850457
I have this one.

>>20850597
my eyes are bleeding. who thought it was a brilliant fucking idea to use white text on full black background???

>>20850613
>white text on full black background
That's literally the easiest color combination for eyes.

>>20850597
Ah yes, the original post. I was more thinking of the mafia's meltdown afterwards, but thanks I'll save it this time.

>>20850613
That's usually the best combination, you might not want to read it unless in full resolution, small characters are a strain whatever the color used.

>>20850625
full black background is terrible,
being slightly lighter makes it much better.

>>20850457
A true hero, never forget his sacrifice.

>>20850944
Thanks, that's the one. Always brings a smile to see jack so buttblasted

>>20850944
>>20850986
indeed we need more rouge people who give the middle finger to these self entitled cucks who sit on their castrated balls all day telling lies and feeding bullshit to their cult while going no haha.

As someone who started with FGO as their first Nasuverse game, could you guys tell me why you dislike it?

>>20851247
It's vastly inferior to Nasu's old works that made me fall in love with Type-Moon in the first place, in just about every way I can think of. Despite this, it's taken the place of a "main project" for years, and is a core part of the universe and lore, instead of remaining a shitty phone game about Servants as it should've been. It attracted a legion of new fans who are only interested in seeing more trash like it, which gives Nasu more excuses to never put effort into making a new VN or a proper game, much less go back to his non-Fate properties (which was also part of the appeal of old TM, having a widespread universe that was not limited to or focused on Fate and its Servants). Even worse for these properties is how much of them is just getting absorbed into FGO, with alternate versions of their characters and old lore/ideas getting repurposed in a shitty game, as if this is the continuation people wanted for Tsukihime or Mahoyo.
Frankly, there's too much I dislike about FGO to talk about concisely. I guess the short version is, it doesn't have any of the stuff I liked in old TM works, and yet has grown to completely overtake the company despite that.

>>20851247
The storytelling is poor. The fact that you have random battles against trash mobs interrupting the story flow is boring. Guda being more bland than Sieg or Hakuno is boring. Mashu being bland is boring. The singularities prior to camelot are so lame it's astonishing. The ever-growing cast ensures every character is barely touched instead of made interesting, save some few.
I'm off to bed anyway, I'm too tired for a more detailed answer, sorry. But in definitive, you can't tell an as good story in a mobage than in a VN or even LN.

>>20851247
Aside from the writing, I just think as a game itself it's extremely poor. I just watch the cutscenes on Youtube now because the game is far too boring for me to bother with.

>>20835843
>tried to watch apocrypha when it aired
>thought it would be fucking stupid
>"the moment it gets fucking stupid, I'm dropping this"
>like 3 episodes in, seigfriend, who was shown to be honorable and respect his masters wishes, literally kills himself for a random puppet boy he met 5 minutes ago because "UHH I WANTED TO DO A GOOD DEED AND ALL THOSE DEEDS I DID DIDNT COUNT BECAUSE PEOPLE ASKED ME TO DO THEM"
>laugh my fucking ass off and drop it like a rock

People complain about fate having bad writing, but jesus, this is the real shit.

>>20851247
As someone who plays FGO, and can manage to derive enjoyment from it from time to time, I absolutely abhor the restrictions and limitations of the mobage format in terms of storytelling. For example, I deeply enjoyed Babylonia, but after thinking about it for a while, after the afterglow ended, I couldn't help but think "God, this would have been so much much better as a proper VN, game or even LN".
There's a lot of good ideas here and there, but the mobage format absolutely kills it.

>>20851294
>Despite this, it's taken the place of a "main project" for years, and is a core part of the universe and lore, instead of remaining a shitty phone game about Servants as it should've been.
This is another core issue for me, FGO has become the beginning and the end of TM when it should just be another thing in the franchise.

been catching up on some FGO2 story and it's amazing how much more entertaining it is when the servants aren't around

I downloaded realta nua from the pastebin and other anons are telling me that these lines right here are edited. What the fuck is the story here?

>>20852836

Started reading the Fate/Zero light novel and why are the characters that are not Kirei/Gilgamesh so shit. They range from unappealing to ridiculous.

Irisiviel is such a passive bitch and she just does nothing and let's Kiritsugu or Saber to everything.
Saber just takes Rider's shit talk about her and doesn't retaliate back.
Ryuunosuke is a literal who serial killer with a faint line of Magus descent who doesn't give a shit about the HGW and gets off to killings.
Tokiomi is an S-tier shit Magus who does nothing but sit inside his house until Volume 3.
Kayneth is an arrogant asshole to Lancer and Waver.
Maiya is just there.
Waver is annoying because of his huge complex and bitches about Rider non stop.
Kariya's character is just NTR taken to the extreme and his only motive is to be with Aoi using "saving Sakura" as a proxy.
Rider is obnoxious with his talk of conquering the world and the descriptions of him don't make it any better.

Why did my post about laughing at apocrypha get deleted? I'm honestly just confused here. It couldn't be greentext, because there's other greentexters in this thread. I was in a Yuuka thread last night and there were people unironically using smileys, and the jannies come after harmless posts like mine. What happened?

>>20853948
You didn't delete it? That's weird, yeah.

>>20853948
Because someone got butthurt about it enough to report it. What a loser.

>>20853948
Strange. Probably a sumanai fanboy

>>20852670
I feel they are actually used better in Lostbelts because they aren't introduced in hordes (mostly due to laziness of DW to pump out Servants) or when they do (like in LB3) they are actually legitimate to the setting.

>>20853874
Written by Gen Urobutchi

>>20854895
Good to hear that. Character introductions were some of the most fumbled parts of early GO and I still feel like most of them are shovelware

>>20852836
>>20852842
The tl patch in the pastebin comes with the original lines as long as you've applied the h patch. The actual RN version has an "all ages" script.

>>20853874
Iskander getting pampered by the narrative was annoying, same with Saber getting shit on at every opportunity.

>>20852836
Welcome to the Matou household. One is a self-hating sacrifice devoid of hope and the other jealous and insecure to the point of insanity that he's not the former

>>20852836
> She does it for free

>>20857095
It's appropriate because Rider is thinking in valiant terms about himself all the time; it's impossible for him to be degraded because he finds sublime glory in the most desperate struggle.

>>20850597
the constant use of ellipses is cute

how do i get deeper into fate/?
i read fsn, f/ha, and a bit of strange fake way back in highschool (maybe 2015 or so) + watched the various anime (namely zero, saw no point to entertaining ubw adaption since i read the vn), i'm also playing fgo but i want more.
what would you guys recommend?

>>20850051
>leaving your sweaty tit marks on the bar
YIKES!

>>20857218
You've already read nearly everything of interest.
There's the el-Melloi Case Files LN series, which is about Waver from F/Z, and that's getting an anime this summer.
Extra and Extra CCC are PSP games, you can check them out if you wanna meet some new characters.
You should stop playing FGO and get into other Nasuverse stuff, read Tsukihime and watch Kara no Kyoukai.

>>20857218
There is more to this than Fate.

>>20857282
i'm aware, but tsukihime and knk don't interest me at the moment.

>>20857239
thanks!

Looking through the thread it looks like most of us agree FGO is a waste of cool ideas.

>>20857604
I personally like to compare FGO with, say Dragon Ball Heroes.
The latter is what GO always should've been, a non-canon, non-serious cashcow which helps promote the actual good content being made in the proper mediums.
If GO was in a proper medium then it would never be as successful as it is now, but the ideas presented would be more fleshed out.
So either make it serious in a proper medium, or a mobage/arcade which is just there to fund other projects.

Of course this would diminish GO's popularity compared to what they actually did, but TM's overall content would be far more enjoyable than it is now.

>following some guide to play FSN on linux
>process to start playing goes fine until the end
>start the game up
>wont work
Ahhhh

>>20857958
Nigger just run it wine. It works fine.

>>20857984
I thought playonlinux was wine

>>20858041
It is although personally I find it convoluted and generally not necessary. Be sure to run it with LANG=jp_JP.UTF-8.

>>20857115
>Rin editing the script of heaven’s feel to make Sakura look like an inferior waifu
Cute

>>20858069
Fate females are pretty meh overall.

>>20858081
Nah. Just the main heroines. Rider, Medea, Illya, the maids, Gil ... All are preferable girls to any of the main ones.

>>20857115
well even The Beatles sang: "The best things in life are..."

>>20858081
>>20858096
Take that back. Seibah is awesome.

>>20857676
can you imagine if fucking Dokkan Battle was the main DB product these days

>>20857218
Apocrypha is pretty fun

>>20858195
I can't, which makes the state of TM even more disappointing.

>>20858096
Yeah, I do direct it to the main 3 only being overrated.

>>20857676
Nasu always does experimental things. He didn't even want to do shitty VNs in the first place either. They were just the pandering medium at the time.

>>20858651
He has literally never done anything "experimental". VNs with fleshed out plot and characters already existed. He simply rode the wave of popular urban fantasy mystery in lare 90s/early 2000s. Extra and CCC are just mediocre JRPGs, all FGO did was use a shitty gacha game (a medium that was already massively successful) to tell the story of a "main" Nasu work instead of ignoring the importance of plot, but all that accomplished was ruin said plot and the few good ideas it had. I guess FGO is the closest he's ever been to trying something truly unique, but not only is the result awful, I also think that's stretching the definition of "experimental" quite a bit.

>>20855715
Because in part 2, the writers of each chapter decide which Servants get introduced. I like the plot better in part 1 (I usually like near side better in Nasu) but it suffered from decisions that were out their control too.

>>20858696
FGO is definitely unique. A lot of clones have tried to mimic it and they failed (like the Madoka mobage). Nobody knows what the fuck they did.

>>20858724
In all honesty explaining how GO took off is worthy of an essay.
The first couple of months were not promising at all.
But suddenly something clicked with people.

>>20858905
>>But suddenly something clicked with people.
FGO started picking up pace when the FZ collab happened, make what you will of that.

Still, what you say is true, that FGO managed to become this juggernaut with how fucking horrendous the game was at first is nothing short of 10 miracles in a row.

>>20858724
It's really easy to say "Of course FGO would be popular! It's Fate!" but, as you said, there's a gorillion of other mobages from very well established and popular franchises that have been complete failures. People really underestimate how hard is to make a mobage stay afloat, for every one you see doing moderately well, there's a hundred that didn't go past it's first year. FGO reaching the level it reached, where it's made more money in 5 years than entire franchises have made in decades, it's completely abnormal and impossible to replicate phenomena. Maybe it was luck, maybe it came at the right time and the right place, and this is without taking into account how it managed to survive it's extremely super duper mega hyper BAD launch where as recently told in an interview DW were given a list of demands from TM that if not finished in 3 months they'd just shut down every fucking thing. It's impossible to explain accurately, FGO as a whole is greater than the sum of it's parts and it would still be greater even if the parts were multiplied rather than addition instead.

>>20859005
>>20858941
>>20858905
>>20858724
It’s a combination of having decent story and characters, waifu and legendary figures, decent gameplay, lack of crazy powercreep and nearly every servant being usable and being Fate.

Cause fuck, compare with Fire Emblem Heroes. Who will want to roll a character if you are going to have 10 copies of it to make it worthwhile and said perfect unit will be useless next batch? That will obviously turn people down. So then it won’t matter if the game has 10% chance of you to roll him because now the actual chance is 0.000001% or even less for you to make him temporerily usable in the PVP, while the 0.7% of FGO seems much more generous in comparison
Then in FGO you will have wrird situations regardless of rarity with people charmlocking the Part 1 final boss with Mata Hari (the lowest rarity female in the game) or beating difficult Challenge Quests with Spartacus. It’s like: hey, you know this legendary figure you idolized as a kid or historical figure you love so much? You can play with him. You can beat shit with him even with all the other options available. Even if you have Gilgamesh on the top there, the others aren’t useless by default.
And then no other mobage on the planet has a plot that can compete. Hell, it beats a bunch of LNs by a mile while at it. And then they will take advantage of the story to showcase this newly introducted servant in the game, wank it to hell, he will do cool shit, either help you or face you as an enemy and he will be super loyal to whoever he works for and a really nice guy and BAM! People will want to summon him. Or then there will be an event dedicated to them giving the player presents and many of the characters will participate etc. and then you get it.
Before you notice, libraries in Japan are now placing pictures of FGO servants in the stores in front of specific books because people are interested in them, Izou’s books are all sold out in bookstore, this also promotes shit further and FGO hit jackpot.

>>20859087
This is a copypasta, right?

>>20859087
>decent story
>decent gameplay
Maybe for the medium? Without that concession they're both quite bad overall, especially the gameplay.

>>20858702
LB1 is alright. Not sure how to feel about LB2 and LB3 but I found LB3 to be pretty disappointing as a fan of Butcher's work. Overall the quality in FGO is just so incredibly inconsistent.

Art is a pretty huge factor in mobage success as well, one that's commonly underestimated. Does anyone remember the rumors floating around back when Kancolle was king? The ones about various artists being paid to make porn of the Kantai characters? Anyway, aside from that aside, FGO's snowball of a success can be attributed to - at least in part - the sheer amount of artists making content for it, officially and unofficially. Every artist wants to be involved in making FGO content; not because they care about it or the characters they're drawing - just take a look at any of their doujins and you'll often find that the characters are so off the mark as to be embarrassing - but because it's guaranteed success. People spread those products like fire, which introduces more people to FGO, which introduces more people to the artwork of FGO, which introduces more people to more artists, in an endless loop. A very oft held sentiment for Kantai years ago was, "Yeah, it's shit. But the porn is good so I play it for the context of my masturbation." You hear this all the time with FGO these days as well, even if you don't play the game, so long as you follow a few artists out there and consume/share their work for FGO, you are a cog in the wheel of FGO's great advertisement.

Though honestly, on the mean, I think FGO's design work is seriously lacking. Still, fanartists can do some pretty incredible things even with mediocre designs. Lots of talent out there.

>>20859005
Yeah, that's my point. Fate isn't that widely popular franchise either as say Dragon Ball, and a lot more popular franchise mobages out there and zero, and nada, and what became popular isn't "Fate franchise" but FGO as brand which in turn also gave Fate more visibility.
In the recent survey revealed around 20% maybe less of the current players were first-year players (2015) which are probably the "Fate franchise fanbase."

Speaking of hit and miss in the franchise: And I don't feel Extra spinoffs no matter how Nasu tries to shill it and rewrite it a thousand times and make Hakuno get his harem forever as king of the moon as a Kirito esque self insert, Extra would never be even as 0.9% popular as FGO or FSN even because the themes of Extras aren't simply... as palatable?
The history journey, and value of humanity of FGO, and the straightforward conflict of ideals vs personal happiness in FSN are far more attractive than the messy clusterfuck of Extra themes and concepts and even more fucked up and unattractive Extella. The Extra characters didn't even get as popular until they featured in FGO.

Nasu doesn't seem to know what to do to repeat his miracle, the more modest one with FSN back a decade ago, and the huge mass success of FGO.

>>20859237
Eventually it'll settle down just as anything that goes on for too long. What'll be interesting is where TM goes with their next mobage and whether or not they can actually recreate the success.

>>20859231
The spritework detail is crazy though. Look at Murasaki.

>>20859251
I don't think they can recreate successes. Extra (first game) was like a FSN clone (in the MOON!!) even with blatant cloned/sameface or nostalgia Main Servants (like Emiya) of FSN on the main cast. That was their attempt to make a new success but now Sci Fi out FSN with other themes. I mean is not a flop but wasn't a hit either. Extella bit more popularity rides on FGO popularity (was released when FGO had began to be the ITT game).

FGO tried the same a bit with Fuyuki to call nostalgia-fags in that (with Saber, who does fuck all, on the game apk), but since the release of the game, all main chaldea cast were completely new. Instead of hurting FGO, it actually helped it IMO. Because people expected something new and consumed it for that not because they'll get FSN mobage. As long they don't start to clone Mashu next it'll be ok.

>>20859237
FSN wasn't really that much of a miracle, IMO. It was the commercial followup to the already massively popular doujin Tsukihime, which itself came from nothing. Even the anime had among the best DVD sales of the decade. Didn't the original KnK doujin sell like 7 copies or something?

Furthermore, it was still during the VN boom and FSN was hugely innovative, had extraordinary production values for the time, and can be sold to someone in four words: mythological heroes battle royale. Same with the character designs. The success of Nasu's work has largely come down to the changes Takeuchi has had Nasu make to his vision, and working in the most popular mediums of the time is the biggest part of that. I'm pretty sure Nasu has always been the creative guy with no idea what he's doing.

>>20859260
It's alright, but honestly I don't see what's so special about it. Then again I hate Raita's artwork with a passion, so perhaps I'm biased.

>>20859347
I'm talking about her game sprite not Raita's artwork:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLU2muceC8I
In particular speaking of her crazy third ascension which has those beautifully done pannels and effects which is all on the sprite artist.

While most mobage is shitty barely detailed chibi.

>>20859347
It's just a high level of detail and adapted the design faithfully. They still all have RPGMaker flat shading and are the stiffest excuse for a Live2D paper cutout I've ever seen though, so it's hardly something to be impressed by.

>>20859174
>Maybe for the medium?
That's exactly what's written in the post. Can't you read buddy?

>>20859381
oh god that wasn't a copy pasta?
lord have mercy on your soul.

>>20859330
>The success of Nasu's work has largely come down to the changes Takeuchi has had Nasu make to his vision, and working in the most popular mediums of the time is the biggest part of that. I'm pretty sure Nasu has always been the creative guy with no idea what he's doing.
This is well known at this point. Hell, we wouldn't even be here talking about how TM is dead if not for Takeuchi telling Nasu "No, that's retarded, re-write your otome fantasies into something with a male protagonist and make King Arthur a cute girl because otherwise we won't sell".
Nasu is your typical creative guy who goes full retard without someone to rein him in. Takeuchi really deserves a lot more credit than he gets, even if all he does now is count his gorillions and same-face/body/pose all he draws now and still can't draw a fucking ass that is not flatter than a table.

>>20859087
>decent story and characters
>decent gameplay
Well, that's just wanking it. Neither of those are true or related to its success, the game is a piece of shit.

I think the fundamental reason is that it is literally perfect doujin bait.
Well, merchandise in general, really.
I think TM has just about surpassed even 2hu when it comes to that area of things.
Sure they still have plenty of room to catch up, and I hope they never do, since my backlog is already far too big.

>>20859618
how dumb are you? why would anything other than the waifu/husbando bait be a factor of F/GO's success?

>>20859666
neither story, characters or gameplay has to be decent to attract waifu fags you absolute mongoloid

>>20859666
That's exactly what I said, dummy.

And people said FGO is a waifu game lol

>>20859976
I still laff everytime

>>20859989
Skadi is the best Quick supporter, so that's normal thou.
Poor Arash anyway

Congrats, /tmg/!
Against all odds, we've managed to survive for a whole year.

>>20858157
Why isn't she using a power or chainsword?

>>20860055
I'm glad to have you guys

>>20859625
Touhou's boom was in the 00, the industry was nowhere as big nor as specialized, nor was the internet or social media as developed as it is now, you have to take this into consideration when thinking about how much stuff, official and fanmade, gets churned out of FGO. If Touhou was at their peak with modern times resources then it would completely eclipse FGO in terms of things produced by fans, perhaps not in terms of official merchandise as ZUN still has a will of steel.

>>20861276
Yeah, the times are in GO's favour.
Really though, that is a whole other kettle of fish, and one I think I despise as much as GO, if not think it has a worse presence on 4chan.

>>20835544
then the touhou anime comes out and everybody forgets about f/go in favour of the superior entity
all hail 2hu

>>20861353
I'm sure most anons here would be on your side, I wish FGO would be forgotten and die.

>>20861353
>>20861363
Both should die.
They are literally the first and second biggest problems.

>>20861381
touhou isn't a problem, it's a SOLUTION

>>20861725
>The solution is to make ZUN sell-out and whore Touhou. That'll show Nasu for whoring of Fate to anyone so he can keep enjoying the gachabucks!
You're retarded.

/tmg/, do you like Foxtail?

>>20862581
I enjoyed it so far, yeah. Props for an original story instead of a bland direct adaptation. Also, the author draws some delicious tits on Tamamo and goth BB/Kazura.

>Julius is confirmed 25yo in Extra
>He was six when Leo was born
>Meaning the adult Leo from Last Encore is how he actually looked outside of mooncell

Weird realization.

>>20863115
Best boy, I loved his entrance in LE and his older look.

>>20862089
First of all, who are you quoting? Second of all, if you don't think a Touhou anime would be godlike, you're dumb. The end.
>>20863115
Who quote?

>>20863216
I liked that he used his bomb code cast from the game, was a nice little touch.

>more rin Mary Sue wanking in fate zero even when she’s fucking 10 years old

Jesus she’s like a YA female author’s self insert this is insane.

>>20864019
You need to watch LE

>>20864019
To be fair that's the one anime original episode the FZ has, clearly pandering to Rinfags.

>>20864019
Which is amusing as she is nothing special compared to the rest of her archetype, and most goddamn characters she is featured with.

I didn't understand Ciel's true ending.
Didn't Shiki kill himself by ending his existence?
Please explain to me, I'm a brainlet.

Best Jeanne figure?

>touhou mobage where you have to gatcha for your favourite 'hu

I'm getting nightmares imagining how much money ZUN could make from that.

>>20864019
they made that episode up from nothing because they knew they were gonna do UBW.

how does the experience differ when re-watch kara no kyoukai in chronological order as opposed to release order?

>>20864790
I prefer this one

I wish desperate Tsukifags would stop actually wanting this to happen.

Like every EoR chapters, now FGO x CCC collab event gets a new manga adaption

>>20865087
I don't think so. Given by Nasu's latest blog entry + CCC rerun has new story quests, new servant(s) probably will be Kazuradrop or Kingprotea

>>20865148
Yeah. It's dumb. As far as I know Nasu already disowned Arc's cameo in Extra anyway. The desperation is real.

>>20864755
Been a while since I read it, but from what I remember he just kills the souls of Roa inside him rather than his whole existence.

>>20864991
On rewatch you already know the story and characters, so probably not much. On first watch, it'd be quite different.

>>20865168
>disowned Arc's cameo in Extra
Did he? She showed up on the cover of some Extra materials book recently, and I never played it, but doesn't Gatou reference her in CCC?

>>20865187
Arc is just a fanservice servant in Extra lol

>>20865187
I believe it was long after. A interview or some sort - I recall reading it, at least. Then again I might just be crazy.
>She showed up on the cover of some Extra materials book recently
Really? Do you have an image? It's not that I don't believe you but I'd just like to have it.
>but doesn't Gatou reference her in CCC?
Not that I remember.

>>20865087
New servant for CCC rerun has been leaked tho. She is Kingprotea

>Extella Link coming to steam
I'm tempted

>>20865851
To pirate it, I hope. Which is probably what I'll do. I totally regret buying Extella on release, I learned I don't enjoy musou games and the story was trash.

>>20865851
the story is legit 2 hours long with no bonus scenarios

don't bother

>>20864922
Wasn't it originally supposed to be a remake of Fate? When exactly did they decide to adapt UBW instead?

>>20866324
>Wasn't it originally supposed to be a remake of Fate?
What ?

>>20866071
The only thing i'm interested in with Extella/Link is how good do the characters feel to play. So is it worth it as a game where I can play as Seiba, Cu, Medusa, Gil, etc?

>>20866373
Did you play the first Extella? I doubt it's very different. They all feel almost the same, you just find a strong move and spam it on useless canon fodder enemies.
The premise of getting to play as various Servants was also what got me to buy Extella, and I was pretty disappointed.

>>20866356
IIRC, it was originally planned to adapt Fate again as a 2 cour series, but since DEEN already did that, it was decided UBW was a higher priority. In it's place, the Fate route was released for free on iOS. I'm asking for details and if anyone can source records of the production that confirm or deny this.

>>20865860
I'll see. I found Extra quite average overall, 2nd route is passable and I liked 3rd, while 1st and 4th sucked ass.
As for the gameplay, I didn't expect much more and enjoyed it as a brainless horde destroyer.
>>20866071
This would be enough to deter me from even pirating, at least Extella had sub scenarri even if most were bad.

Does Innocent Monster only affect servants with relatively low strength or mystery?

I feel like a lot of stronger famous servants should also have it to some degree, but they don't.

>>20867241
Yeah it's weird, I think maybe part of it is that with some weaker servants, they genuinely don't have as much going on outside of Innocent Monster, while with the more popular servants they might have aspects affected by Innocent Monster but you're more likely to summon one without it?

But yeah it does feel pretty inconsistent when popular opinion matters or not.

>>20866867
by the way, extella link isn't even a sequel to extella.

It's another wierd as fuck alternate universe again, because the writers couldn't decide how to handle the story AGAIN.

the events of extella all happened, but really they didn't. somehow nobody knows archimedes is a giant fucker for example.

>>20867482
What the FUCK?
That's just a massive cop-out, how lame.

>>20867482
I .. I don't have the words

>>20867482
Is that why he doesn't have the velber shit on him?

>>20867482
Why should it be a sequel? It's not Extella 2.

>>20867751
do you really not see an issue with making a game to bridge the gap between extella 1 and 2, only for it to not be a real sequel to extella 1, which means that when extella 2 comes out it will have to clarify that all the events of LINK happened, but differently?

I mean Nasu has never done a straightforward TM Sequel in his life so...

>>20867751
I thought the "Link" part of the title meant it's a link between Extella and future instalments. There was also talks of an Extella 2 at some point.
Why name the game that way then? Stop being disingenuous, anon.

>>20867901
I don't really know anything about Extella nor do I care about it. But thinking that the game has to be a sequel to be a link is quite shallow.

Alternative universes were a mistake.

>>20867871
Extella Link is not by Nasu.