/jp/ - Otaku Culture

clothed paizuri with Arc

>>20767400
Aoko is sinking?!

Name a more underrated TM duo than these two
You can't

>>20767673
me and my waifu stheno

Does HF True Shirou still have Archer's battle experience?
Something like that, is it engraved to the soul or what?

>>20768280
Nah, he doesn't have shit, but Rin implies he could develop his projection abilities in his new body.

So when do shiki and shirou fap? There is quite a bit of detail given towards their daily routine, it’s hard to find any gaps in their schedules that aren’t handwaved by some sort of mundane activity so I just don’t see it happening. It can’t be at night either since it’s clearly described each time that they just zonk out there usually after something quite tiring or life threatening. It’s also impossible to say that at least shiki does not know how to fap, since he masturbates in ciel’s route. Did these teenage boys literally go 2 weeks without fapping?

>>20767400
Kagetsu Tohya is Type-Moon's magnum opus, change my mind.

>>20768531
It's a fandisc

>>20768515
Their lives are a bit of a mess in those weeks, it's understandable that they'd be distracted with other shit.
Also, in most eroge that aren't nukige, the protag's fapping habits tend to be avoided.

>>20768834
What a cute pic.

>>20767499
I think the op image is an apt metaphor.

Reines' faces in the manga

https://youtu.be/xm8uSnDW9pE
The nostalgia...

https://twitter.com/axia_chan/status/1090377725842313216

>>20769829
Cute!

>>20769329
Looks almost Hirano-like. I love it

>>20768531

Close but you spelled Carnival Phantasm wrong.

>>20772914
The only problem with CP was the uneven character focus.
The simple fix is more episodes, but I really wish my favourites got more recognition, then again the release time made it tricky.

>>20771097
Oh, it is? Then happy birthday, best girl.

>>20772955
It was a day or so ago.

>>20772914
You may have a point there.

>>20772914
>director blatantly biased against Tsukihime and Sakura
It’s shit.

>>20774277
It could've been far worse.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH FUCK MODERN FATE
FUCK FGO
WHERE IS THE REMAKE

>>20778370
Very smug Arcs

>>20768531
It's actually KnK.

>>20778558
KnK is too inconsistent.

>>20778577
KnK ranges from good to god-tier, so it averages very high.

>>20778577
Not that anon, but I never got this complaint about KnK? For both the movies and books, the only noticeable slump is part 6.
It's not like each chapter is supposed to be an "equal" in length or importance. The first four are a steady build up to an amazing climax, and all 4 of those movies are great (3 has a bit more action, since it serves as the climax for the first book). 7 is just as good as 5 in the books, though the movie for 5 ended up superior due to the directing.

>>20778591
Agreed.

>>20767400
where can I get a Mordred figure with her full armor on? No one seems to make one

>>20778753
Good question, her armour is okay but I don't think anybody in TM has nice enough armour for something like that to interest me.
Canonically.

>>20778796
Damn, if Mordreds armor doesnt impress you, what will?

>>20778820
I quite literally posted what will.
For a tincan design to be good it has to be more realistic imho.
For a partial tincan you can mess with a few things so that it obviously wouldn't be that effective in actual combat, but has a nice aesthetic.

>>20778839
but anon its just saber with a coat

>>20778850
There are all sorts of little things that differ to Saber's armour, which is awful by comparison.
Or just in general, the only decent thing about Saber's is the pantaloons.

>>20775227
>2008: TM announced Tsukihime remake
>2013: Nasu started working on FGO (Fate Reboot Project)
>2015: TM released FGO
Hmmmmmmmmm

>>20772914
Should've made S2 before 2015.

Well it turns out Fate Requiem's first volume was nothing to get excited for. Lots of setup but I don't care about the characters and it somehow managed to lack a story. All the stuff in the literal last 2 pages about the grail war still going on and the protag's servant asking her to go to Fuyuki to stop it with him came out of fucking nowhere. I guess it was a clumsy rushed attempt to get people to buy the next volume, but it was just awkward. On the bright side I can't imagine volume 2 being worse.

>>20779226
Huh, that does sound like a rushed cliffhanger. So it's just introducing the world and characters that whole volume? Not a great way to kick off the series, especially if he doesn't get out vol.2 super fast.

>>20779226
What about all the shit with Nzambi and Carenbot's killers?

>>20779233
There's no real depth in anything yet. Japanese reactions seem pretty positive though so maybe I'm too grumpy.
>>20779242
The Anubis-looking dog looks cool at least.

>>20779226
>the protag's servant
No ? Caren told Erice that

>>20779454
Yeah I didn't mean to write that. It's Voyager who asks her to finish the grail war and Caren you mentions Fuyuki, presumably where she'll achieve that.

>the Universe permits the birth of Adjacent Worlds/Parallel Worlds
>Parallel Worlds are accessible to others only through the 2nd Magic

>Panhistory of Man: all worlds that have not been pruned
Two primary types of worlds: Fate worlds & Tsuki worlds.
Fate = affirmation of Human History
Tsukihime = xxxxxxxx of Human History: HS can't be summoned and DA aka the antithesis of Human History become the center.
Strange world(s) which have elements of both (e.g. F/SF)
Lostbelts = worlds are cut off completely.

>Quantum Time-Lock
Performed by the World (Gaia + Alaya) to prevent the needless expenditure of energy.
The process of cutting other Worlds after judging its Branching Potential aka Adjacent Realities (strength, stability,...).

>Primary Branch or Trunk
The cluster of Adjacent Worlds that form the central axis of the Great Tree Known as Time.
Compromising the confirmed pathways of Panhuman History, contains those "safe" worlds which have high Branching Potential after QTL process.
Worlds which don't lie within the Trunk = being cut off.
Worlds lie within the Trunk are described to be "the Average Expression of phenomena & occurences" cuz their outcomes aren't biased toward positive or negative valence.
Human civilizations within the Trunk largely resemble one another in expression and format.
F/Z and FGO are confirmed to "lie near the center" of the Trunk.

>Universe: a domain that encompasses space and time.
Universe of Observation/Universe of Awareness
Universe of Record

Found this on /fgog/. Is it true ?

>>20779832
Seems about right.
Not sure what "Universe" is about though.

>>20767673
>underrated TM duo
>not Arash & Elsa or Tatsumi & Jekyll
They are literally the best things we have from Fragments

>>20781742
Elsa really doesn't look old enough to have had a son.
God I hope we get the real Prototype story someday, or at least a Fragments anime. A lot of the Master characters seem very interesting, I want more of Isemi Aro just cause TM needs a Megumi Ogata voiced char.

>>20781802
Speaking of Prototype, i wonder how Arthur + Ayaka could win against Manaka + her squad. Fragments Drama CDs are pretty good, but i don't think there will be a Fragments anime.
Also Isemi Aro my poor precious boy ;_; he deserves a better life

Why do we still care about TM?

>>20783951
It scratches my itch for chuuni fiction like no other.

>>20783951
Mahoyo 2 plz

>>20785036
It'll come out right after the Tsukihime remake.

>>20785036
Anon please.

>>>/v/449835432
I'm not sure how much more of this cancer I can stand being even remotely connected to.

>>20785059
If Nasu really just wants to milk Fate, i hope at least he would release Tsukihime 2 and Mahoyo 2+3. Mahoyo (and Case Files too) is my favorite TM work since it's focus more on magi world which it's really nice

>>20785428
Reminder that Extra caused the downfall of TM by selling out via waifubait servants and selfinserting and as such deserves as much hate as FGO

Eating ciel turds

>>20785675
Extra was at least enjoyable and still a Nasu story from beggining to end, with memorable characters and good balance of Masters/Servants.

>>20785675
Worth it for CCC.

>>20785759
Is CCC actually good or is this just a meme? Keep in mind that I can't fucking stand Extra's gameplay, so I've never been assed to play it.

>>20785762
It's good man. Really puts the original Extra to shame.
Engaging story, interesting characters, and developed themes. It's also really funny.
The battle system has some slight improvements from Extra but if it bugs you so much you might want to emulate it and speed the fights up.
I remember being less bothered by rock paper scissors in CCC because I actually wanted to progress the story which was lacking in Extra.

i have a feeling nasu is going to commit seppuku before he releases tsukihime remake.

Who was the better protagonist, Shiki or Shirou?

>Nasu: Shirou's the kind of main character who wants to save as many people as possible and make them all happy, in contrast, Shiki from "Tsukihime" is the kind of person who only cares about those closest to him and their happiness.
>Takeuchi: Shiki was the guy I wanted to be when I grew up, back when I was in middle school and first learned about otaku culture. Shirou, on the other hand, was who I wanted to be way back when I was in elementary school and knew nothing about any of that stuff (raughs)

>>20785933
thats a good fucking question, i like both both are equally retarded where you couldnt pick a favorite

>>20785933
Shirou's obviously the better written than Shiki. Compared to Shirou, Shiki is kinda bland besides his murder boner.

>I found my answer. It's fine, Tohsaka. I'll do my best from now on as well

>>20786235
why did nasu make shirou archer i dont get it did he ever say why

>>20785759
>>20785762
>>20785856
i think CCC is pretty good, but it's also a bit overrated. some critics act like it's the hottest shit Nasu ever wrote and i don't think that's true

i'm curious if Nasu actually wrote the comedy parts, though, because it's not at all like his attempts at comedy in earlier works. it's a lot more over-the-top, self-depreciating at times, and it can break the tone of some scenes here and there. that being said it was genuinely more enjoyable in that department overall

the gameplay is still absolute garbage and it's just another example of Nasu dicking around in mediums where he has no business to.

>>20785933
in terms of the of actual depth

Shirou > Shiki

in terms of likability?
post-Tsukihime Shiki >>> Shirou >>>>>>>> original Shiki

>>20785675
CCC Hakuno's character is really really great. Definitely not as good as Shirou but it's amazing for a self-insert protag

>>20781742
>>20781802
fragment/prototype pair are such a mess when they are transferred to FGO thou. Sakurai just turn it into a cuck fes, that I sometime pity it.
>>20782079
>i wonder how Arthur + Ayaka could win against Manaka + her squad.
According to Proto material, Ayaka has an awakening power that prove a crucial key point to the finale of Prototype.
I just want Nasu to go back and finishing writing it like he used to wish he see it sold around Japan desu. Hopefully once FGO is done he can just free range instead of chaining to a contract.

>>20785933
Shirou's probably better written, but I like Shiki more

>>20786658
Shiki is even worse than Shirou? Wow.

>>20787110
Shirou is one of Nasu's best characters, Shiki is a tad bland in comparison. But if what you don't like about Shirou is that he's a dumb goody two-shoes, Shiki is the opposite of that.

>>20787180
I don't like that he's a braindead moron, if Shiki is the opposite then, yeah I could probably enjoy an big-brain edgelord like that.

>>20787205
>implying that Shirou is dumb

>>20767400
Dose anyone know were I can find a copy of Fate/Requiem.

>>20788557
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B07LF7KPXX/

>>20788557
Its digital version will also be released but we don't know the exact date

>>20785759
>never read ccc
It's absolutely worse than FGO and created some of the WORST characters in Nasuverse history: the Sakurafaces and Kiara.

>>20787279
Who are you quoting?

>>20788937
Who are you quoting?

Anons, post more!

What's your favorite type-moon anime opening?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-6PChWwv1s

>>20794358
Fate/Zero OP1, maybe. Unless these count as "openings"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7XcRomgZQs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfy76UA4WaQ

I find that the soundtrack and insert songs tend to be better than the OPs in TM anime. The Extra CCC and Realta Nua OPs are also great, but not for anime.

Neat, ufo remembers Shiki's birthday.

>>20794358
Ougon no Kagayaki.

> Knight class
> Swift and mana-efficient
> great at dueling, which is what the grail war is all about
> less known heroes so they have some hidden trump cards
> largely autism free
Lancer is the best class. Prove me wrong.
Protip: you can't

>>20795344
> great at dueling, which is what the grail war is all about
lol no
Grail War is about your Servant stalling the other while you find and murder their Master in cold blood.

>>20795361
Oh no no

https://twitter.com/ryohgo_narita/status/1093919701275570176
Cool, Strange Fake isn't dead after all.

>>20795344
Karna fits almost none of that criteria, being a mana vacuum, incredibly well-known among a significant set of the human population, and almost made entirely of autism.

Forgot to reply to posts from previous thread...
>>20744425
>I would be curious as to what key points you would consider necessary for a romance to be considered objectively good.
That's the point. There isn't a metric on objective good when it comes to romance. But if there ever was, it would at least have to be consistent within the context. And in the case of FSN and the medium/cultural context as a whole, it very much is.
>But the reader of any work should never become the writer
Nonsensical statement that completely misunderstands what was said.
>But intense? Striking? Believable? Well, returning it back to you, those are all quite subjective and, therefore, not "a good criteria to judge romance."
But it isn't. You should do a little reading and research before making easily refutable claims.
This is the definition of striking:
>attracting attention by reason of being unusual, extreme, or prominent.
That can be felt negatively, positively or neutrally. It certainly is unusual, that's not something that can be deemed subjective.
>That's an unusual definition.
Wrong. It's the very usual definition of IQ. Even its critics (those who hate IQ being used to compare populations), criticize it for being just that. The same is true for those who uphold it, though they'll attach correlations like "social success" to give it more weight.
>Furthermore, there are such things as people who are exceptionally gifted in one field, but utterly lacking in all others.
This isn't even an objection to intelligence. One doesn't need to be good at everything to be seen to be intelligent.

Also, all I've stated is that Shirou is more intelligent than the average person. Your claim was that he was a retard. There's far more burden on you to prove that he is one. You'd have to show that compared to the average person, he scores worst on most fronts (emotional intelligence, analytical capacity, social understanding, etc...). Shirou is far more introspective than the average person and figures out to solve inconsistencies in his mindset in HF and UBW. That already puts him above the average person in many fronts. His quick thinking during battle is just one example.
>Shirou being perceived as a moron is a meme for a reason;
The meme comes from anime adaptations that included lines not present in the VN and it's typically only present in the non-Japanese community. Appealing to memes is retarded.
>b-but muh execution!
This objection is quite dumb and at this point you're just trying to convince others you're not a fool yourself. Let's assume the writing is "objectively shit". This still doesn't Shirou is retarded. Sure the message is murky because the messenger may be incompetent, but the details of the message are still understandable. The fact that you didn't notice Shirou was acting daft in a lot of cases is your fault and not the writing. The writing could be criticized for lacking impact but not for missing the information since it's obviously present.

>>20744469
>But it's objectively comedy. Why? Because they're enough people who think it is.
By this measure, isn't Shirou objectively a moron?
Most people who read the VN would not seriously think Shirou to be of lower intelligence than the average person.
>Art can be bad an hit all the key points it needs to; many compositions, for instance, hit the "necessary" marks for adhering to the appropriate formalism but objectively don't do anything interesting with it, i.e. it's dry and does nothing more than utilize schemata as its starting point, rather than something that's a flexible, natural idiom. Sonata form, for instance, is interpreted by poor composers as a succession of melodic ideas, divorced from the harmonic dimension of the music - nothing more than a fetishized crutch to make it digestible to audiences. Is it technically adherent to a schemata? Indeed. Can we therefore categorize it as a good piece? No. Objectively speaking we can merely say it's a composition in sonata form. This is merely just one example.
This isn't a refutation to my claim that one can determined something to fall under a genre without enjoying it. You're asserting that a work can feel good without being creative/innovative. This assertion is entirely different that what I discussed. Your first objection was that there wasn't any chemistry between Rin and Shirou. When multiple examples of their chemistry, including banter, was pointed out. You then shifted to saying "well umm there is something there... but it doesn't feel very banter-y]". You're moving the goal posts from "X doesn't exist" to "well X is there but it's not good, IMO". The problem is that you're trying to make yourself look right just for the sake of looking right and you're not honest about the position you're taking since you're trying to masquerade assertions that are meant to be objective with the mask that they're just you're subjective opinions.

>>20744469 (Cross-thread)
>By this measure, isn't Shirou objectively a moron?
Most people who read the VN would not seriously think Shirou to be of lower intelligence than the average person.
>Art can be bad an hit all the key points it needs to; many compositions, for instance, hit the "necessary" marks for adhering to the appropriate formalism but objectively don't do anything interesting with it, i.e. it's dry and does nothing more than utilize schemata as its starting point, rather than something that's a flexible, natural idiom. Sonata form, for instance, is interpreted by poor composers as a succession of melodic ideas, divorced from the harmonic dimension of the music - nothing more than a fetishized crutch to make it digestible to audiences. Is it technically adherent to a schemata? Indeed. Can we therefore categorize it as a good piece? No. Objectively speaking we can merely say it's a composition in sonata form. This is merely just one example.
This isn't a refutation to my claim that one can make an objective descriptive claim without making a judgement of it. You're asserting that a work can feel good without being creative/innovative. This assertion is entirely different that what I discussed. Your first objection was that there wasn't any chemistry between Rin and Shirou. When multiple examples of their chemistry, including banter, was pointed out, you then shifted to saying "well umm there is something there... but it doesn't feel very banter-y]". You're moving the goal posts from "X doesn't exist" to "well X is there but it's not good, IMO". The problem is that you're trying to make yourself look right just for the sake of looking right and you're not honest about the position you're taking since you're trying to masquerade assertions that are meant to be objective with the mask that they're just you're subjective opinions.

>>20744469
>By this measure, isn't Shirou objectively a moron?
Most people who read the VN would not seriously think Shirou to be of lower intelligence than the average person to a very large extent.
>Art can be bad an hit all the key points it needs to; many compositions, for instance, hit the "necessary" marks for adhering to the appropriate formalism but objectively don't do anything interesting with it, i.e. it's dry and does nothing more than utilize schemata as its starting point, rather than something that's a flexible, natural idiom. Sonata form, for instance, is interpreted by poor composers as a succession of melodic ideas, divorced from the harmonic dimension of the music - nothing more than a fetishized crutch to make it digestible to audiences. Is it technically adherent to a schemata? Indeed. Can we therefore categorize it as a good piece? No. Objectively speaking we can merely say it's a composition in sonata form. This is merely just one example.
This isn't a refutation to my claim that one can make an objective descriptive claim without making a judgement of it. You're asserting that a work can feel good without being creative/innovative. This assertion is entirely different that what I discussed. Your first objection was that there wasn't any chemistry between Rin and Shirou. When multiple examples of their chemistry, including banter, was pointed out, you then shifted to saying "well umm there is something there... but it doesn't feel very banter-y]". You're moving the goal posts from "X doesn't exist" to "well X is there but it's not good, IMO". The problem is that you're trying to make yourself look right just for the sake of looking right and you're not honest about the position you're taking as you're trying to masquerade assertions that are meant to be objective with the mask that they're just your subjective opinions.

>>20795848
Fate Apocrypha in general is composed almost entirely of autism. I’m talking about most lancers we see.

>>20795941
>>20796033
you got btfo'd so you replied a week and a half later so you could get the last word in

as expected of Shiroufags

>>20796380
Diarmuid is also pretty autistic, and Liz is basically an autism singularity.

>>20796495
i recall Liz being more absolutely retarded than autistic

>>20795361
No you dumb ass it's about cheating the hardest.

>>20795344
Nah, Lancer has some truly horrible characters in it.

https://twitter.com/DiesOfficialENG/status/1094008211366178818

it's not fair...

>>20797103
Nasu doesn't even care about his audience in Japan, the West likely doesn't even enter his mind at all.

>>20797103
I still haven't read DI, should I anons?

>>20797367
It's pretty great, go for it. Just know that the writer is many times more over-the-top than Nasu

>>20797367
No, it is a literal meme that only teenagers who are still in their edgy phase can stomach.
Still not as overrated as some other shit though.

>>20797367
Absolutely. It's great. The romances aren't as well done as Fate's (the dudes are way better though) but the chuuni stuff is better in my opinion. The fight scenes and the music are also very good.

>>20797559
>romances aren't as well done as Fate's
that's a pretty high bar to fail to limbo under

>>20797581
The romances in Fate aren't great but they're cute. The problem with Dies Irae's romance is that the main character literally only exists progress the plot - unlike Shirou who is much more interesting - and therefore the romances fall by the wayside. I would say the only exception to that is Kei, who is really cute and her route is not awesome enough to overshadow her. Kasumi is worthless trash and her route is Dies Irae's Fate route. Marie and Rea's romances are overshadowed by the LDO, Reinhard and Mercurius in particular, who really come into their own during those routes.

>>20797103
I was pretty happy to see this earlier, glad great VNs are still happening and getting TL'd regardless of Type-Moon.

>>20797367
It's good, but doesn't really have the same appeal as Nasu's works for me. It has a little bit of the urban fantasy mystery thing at the start, but much more quickly turns into massive chuuni fights, and goes super hard on that.
In terms of characters, I'd say it's worth reading for the villains.

>>20794920
her 40th if memory serves me too!

>>20785762
CCC is just heavens feel inside a computer, without all the manly shirou content removed.

>>20797893
I'm only like 1/4th in of the translated playthrough playlist in youtube and so far it just feels like Nasu played Danganronpa and Persona beforehand and wanted to do something similar
At least it's better than extra

>>20797103
cool I guess, but are they going to call it quits after this?

I finished reading KKK recently and I consider it untranslatable. I honestly have no idea how you'd put some of the lines in that game to english without destroying their flavour.
shit, some sentences are written in unreadable font and can only be made out from audio.

>>20797973
Did you ever read Muramasa? How does it compare to KKK in terms of "never ever"?

>>20797973
I can't speak for other languages but anything that's beyond super basic simple shit is impossible to translate well into English from Japanese without significantly altering the original in some way. Even seemingly harmless things like having to change sentence order can greatly impact how a line is perceived.

>>20798028
I love muramasa and consider it more "translateable" than KKK, but I wouldn't write a translation for it if even if you paid me 5 million dollars.

I basically feel like to create a good translation of muramasa you'd need to go back to early 2000 fansubbing. straight up not translate several things and mail every reader a TL notes book/encyclopedia to make sure you can convey the meaning accurately. probably throw a few japanese history facts in there too. this would automatically not make it a good translation.

then there's also the fact that the author has a giant boner for sword fighting. at several points in the VN characters enter long and drawn out sword fights, where he goes into explicit detail about everything going on, even going as far as to insert CGs that are nothing but coloured silhouettes and directional arrows so the reader understands.

Now, I might be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure there are no "accepted" english translations for the names of ancient as fuck katana techniques. You could obviously just put everything into romaji, but that would still mean your readers have no idea what's going on. even a japanese who hates katanas for some reason would still be able to understand what is going on because the Kanji automatically convey meaning to them. English doesn't have kanji.

>>20778753
You haven't even tried to search.
https://myfigurecollection.net/item/675895
https://myfigurecollection.net/item/236355
https://myfigurecollection.net/item/804120
https://myfigurecollection.net/item/332488

>>20797103
why do the west care about dies irae but not fate/stay night? why has nobody picked it up for an official translation given the success of fgo and to an extent various fate media?

>>20799562
Because TM really don't like cooperating with gaijin.

>>20799562
loads of people would like to see an official f/sn release, Nasu doesn't care

honestly, though, i doubt Nasu is even fully comfortable with f/sn being out there as it is in Japan; he has said in multiple interviews that he would like to do things differently.

>>20799608
I'm sure Nasu knows what Death of the Author is.
And that his personal idea for what should change would majorly piss off most of the original fans.

>>20799613
didn't stop him from imposing changes / wanted to impose changes on the anime adaptions

didn't stop him from announcing the Tsukihime Remake which already had many changes. i mean, it's never going to come out, but the intent was there

>>20799608
Fate Remake soon!

>>20799648
>Fate Remake gets announced
>it's completed and released within 2 years

carnival phantasm continuation when? i could die a happy man knowing type moon went back to their roots

>>20800511
Yeah, all that would be is a GO wankfest.
I mean the original was already favouring Fate over the rest, even though the source was more Tsuki than anything.

>>20800524
I wanted more tsukihime as well. if i could have my say, it'd be split down the middle tsukihime and fate, with crossover bits too.
i'd also have more about arcureid going to school, I thought that bit was pretty funny.

honestly carnival phantasms was such a joyous celebration of their work it was such a cathartic experience finishing the whole thing.

>>20800511
I'd prefer Chibichuki anime. Heck, even Riddell did appear in the latest chapter lol. The mangaka sure remembers lots of TM characters

>>20800698
Chibichuki has a good balance of things, too bad nobody really cares except some nips.

>>20800743
>good balance
They'd need to trim the fat a bit if they get into later chapters.

>>20800894
It is very self aware though, it certainly gives plenty to the older works.
The simple fix is to certainly keep the cast focused to a core set of characters.

>>20799562
Fate is gridlocked between Sony(Aniplex) and Kadokawa for anyone to bother getting licenses for. Also on top of that Nasu just doesn't care. Kadokawa themselves might start releasing TM manga and LN over in the US though.

>>20802089
TM manga (Tsukihime, Melty, F/SN, FZ, F/A, HF) gets translated in France, so Kadokawa isn't the problem.

>>20795848
Indian heroes tend to be all about sheer firepower though.

>>20800698
How does a Lord of Clock Tower get away with being a famous idol at the same time?

She will never be topped. Best girl, 15 years running.

>>20802386
Sorry, she has been topped since CCC already. Best girl, among females, highest kill count in history

Sorry bros but Sthenny's better. She's literally perfect, you just can't beat perfection.

>>20802410
Nice Liz tiddy.

>>20802421
>bros
Fuck off /vg/shitter

>>20802422
Sorry bro, not from there, perhaps you should go back there instead.
Also butts > breasts, that Liz's boobies aren't even noticeable when side-by-side that spank-canvass.

>>20802360
Mahoyo takes place in 1980s while Case Files is around 2004 so i wonder if she is still continuing her idol career. But yeah CF describes her as someone who has bad fashion taste and annoying likes a noisy TV so...

>>20799613
>I'm sure Nasu knows what Death of the Author is
he does and he doesn't care.

he literally wrote pages and pages of heavens feel rewrites for the movies before the direcor told him to fuck off.

>>20802386
There are superior people with the same face in this very thread.

Akiha is mean

>>20802386

>>20802410
Meme and worst girl. She also has a far lower killcount than Saber, who is a literal warlord.
>>20803261
Nips have notoriously bad taste (FGO is the most popular game over there isn't it?) so their popularity polls don't matter.

>>20803261
>Touma randomly in there at #2

>>20803280
Rin beating Saber really took me by surprise.

>>20803261
>Shiki 3rd
How?

>>20803312
What was more surprising is Shiki. Sakura is popular because of HF, Rin is popular because of that new FGO Rinface (I assume) but why the fuck is Shiki more popular among nips?

>>20803324
Nips only have half-bad taste.

>>20803324
>>20803330
All of the original type-moon fags combined their powers.

>>20803261
>Shiki 3rd
>Fucking Kerry 4th
Somehow I'm pleased

How well did lost butterfly do compared to presage flower?

>>20804282
I think the opening weekend did better than Part 1's opening weekend.

>>20786588
>I just want Nasu to go back and finishing writing it like he used to wish he see it sold around Japan desu.
speaking of novel, when exactly was the last time he published a complete stand alone novel from beginning to end? KKK?
Short stories and fillers don't count.

>>20805110
I think you meant DDD? (which is not standalone, but a series) Anyway, it was Tsuki no Sango.

>>20803355
>knk movies
>Original tm fags
what? it's secondarybait.

I've got a question, I'm playing Fate and I'm going through the UBW route, right now I'm at the chapter where Shirou and Rin have teamed up with Lancer and are going to confront Caster at the church, the question I have is, how much is there left? Am I close to the end or is there a bit more left? I ask because if there's only 1 or 2 chapters left then I could finish it today but if there's more than than I'd rather wait for the next weekend to finish it.

>>20808469
You're like 75% of the way through the route. Still a good chunk with lots of talking. I think it's 2 more days in-game. Depends on how many hours you have today.

>>20808487
Hmm, well I might leave it for the next weekend then, I'm also feeling kinda tired so I might not be able to pay enough attention to it anyway.

I might have a good amount of free time tomorrow though, so I could try to finish it then, do you think there's more than 4-5 hours left?

>>20808593
4-5 hours sounds about right for what you've got left, but it's been years since I read so I'm not sure.

>>20808598
Alright, thanks for answering.

What't the word that sounds like "boya" or "booya" that Caster calls Shiro with in F/SN?

>>20808948
That's the word. 坊や

>>20808948

>>20808981
Oh. Neat, thanks. Would you happen to know if there's a female equivalent?

Nips really flipped out over the Tsukihime Remake still not happening after the 15th FSN anniversary. Gives me hope that we might get some 20th anniversary announcement, or at least that more pressure will be put on TM.
With that said, fuck, they should've started complaining when FGO dragged for more than 2 years with no news. These super depressing last few years could've been avoided.

>>20809760
it barely trended on Twitter lol

no one gives a shit about the remake

>>20809818
They reacted and replied to the TMitter posts directly, which is more than the literally nothing that's been happening until now.

>>20809828
you see disgruntled old TM fans post all the time though, they even still bring up DDD occasionally. they're still a distinct minority.

just saying, nothing is probably going to change any time soon. Nasu already has plans for another mobile game anyway

>>20809760
they did start complaining.

what you fail to realize is that the nip community isn't any different from ours. Its 98% FGO fags creating 30 threads a day and 2% people telling nasu to fucking kill himself every single day.

people bitching are utterly irrelevant because voting with your wallet isn't a concept that works with f2p games. there are rich whales that have literally spent 50k usd on fgo. If we assume they have tsukihime remake completed and start selling it tomorrow priced at 10000 yen, which is around 91 USD, they would need to sell 550 copies to make up for one whale.

>>20809839
>another mobile game
Fuck off with that interpretation man, I don't want to believe it until it really happens. It's not like he can only do one thing anyway.
I'm divided on wether it'd be worse if he kept dragging Tsukihime Remake as a lie and keeping me attached for no reason, following a different franchise I hate the state of. Or if he just outright absorbed Tsukihime entirely into his modern Fate trash. The latter would be more painful (and has already been happening gradually), but it might be better to just feel free once and for all.

>>20809865

>>20809886
I would unironically murder this stupid shitter if I could get away with it.

>>20809886
Is that really $130k worth of goddamn refunds?
That shouldn't be possible.

>>20809921
Refund only works on one purchase at a time, if he did it consecutively then he cant.

>>20809898
It wouldn’t make any difference. He isn’t the only gambling addict playing that stuff. At least /vg/ cares about the story, that guy plays just to get 5 copies of every released servant and then flaunt on the internet. And youtubers like that are not uncommon oddly enough.

>>20809880
Didn't Nasu say he would change lots of things in the Remake ? Pretty sure it would be related to the Quantum Time-Lock concept, since Tsukihime = XXXXXXXX of Human History we haven't know it yet.

>>20810523
If Hinako is anything to go by, yes.

>>20809839
>another mobage
Tsukihime/GO

>>20809839
>another mobile game
So this is the reason why FGO2 trending worldwide after that interview huh ?

smuk

>>20811256
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH

how est das prögress ich mahoyo on die sainte nacht en änglaise?

>>20811780
Dead.

>>20811364
He was talking about game client which is how they call the apk in ancient speech.

>>20811780

So what is the difference between Rey-Atlasia (レイアトラシア) and Atlasia (アトラシア) ? Thanks

>>20813658
AE is very elegant

I bit the bullet and downloaded F/GO. I know that everyone here already knows this but I'm amazed at how bad it is. I'm done with the second singularity (France). The general idea with singularities and whatnot isn't terrible, but the specific scenes read like a malicious parody of previous Fate. The tone reminds me of these dreadful marvel films in the sense that they have this "ironic" and detached tone, like "we know, and we know that you know this is lame and stupid, and we're just salvaging what fun there is to be had from this retarded thing". There were a couple of touching scenes with Gilles and Jeanne, but otherwise it's crap. The fighting is actually kind-of fun, though there is far too much of it. I've killed hundreds of these retarded skeletons and dragons at this point. The gacha is really stingy too. I play LLSIF too and that one's much more generous. All I got thus far are mostly a bunch of literally-who assassins and Berserkers and that weird yandere dragon thing. At least I got Shota Gil too. He's fucking cute.

>>20813782
I would be bros with shota Gil not gonna lie

>>20813782
Here's the obligatory post about how it upgrades from trashy, but lengthy, mobile game writing to trashy LN writing around the America singularity.

>>20813843
So I've heard.
>>20813817
I'd help him with his homework.

>>20813782
the singularities are all pretty awful - mediocre, yeah. i mean it does get better later on, but only marginally, and it's still not the format anyone should be telling a story in

the lostbelts are a bit more consistent in quality (so far) but they haven't exactly reached the highs of Part 1 either. i only really play this dogshit to keep up with the lore , but even that's beginning to become tiresome

oh, yeah, and i really like Nito. great design. i could take or leave pretty much everyone else, though.

>>20814079
Nito is a cute, but aside from her and maybe a handful of others, the design game in F/GO is really weak in my opinion. Beasts are cool. Most of the servants are mediocre, though. As far as the waifubait goes, Granblue and Azur Lane are really outdoing GO.

>>20811780
there's only two people in the world working on mahoyo english right now.
1. the anon who made mcjon quit by calling out his TL errors. hasn't posted since and probably quit because things got to awkward for him.
2. some guy on fuwanovel who barely updates at all and is very unlikely to finish.

>>20811780
I'm honestly torn up as to whether I should work on Mahoyo or CCC right now.

>>20813782
You hit the nail on the head with the writing thing. Even in the "better" parts, I still feel like it sometimes breaks into being too self-aware or parody-like, rather than something Nasu put his soul into, which prevents me from ever getting invested in the same way as his old works. And the fucking awful quips never end, the tone of the whole game is off. I hate the very idea of singularities and Lostbelts as well.

>>20813782
the game script is insultingly bad pre-camelot, and then it just gets boring with some occasional interesting spurts. the lack of narration really kills the atmosphere

>>20814102
there's "good designs" in FGO but I could count on one hand the amount of servants I have attachment or investment with. the story has done barely anything for me in that regard

>>20779832
>Performed by the World (Gaia + Alaya)
No, it's performed by the World as in just Humanity (Alaya), or the Human Order. Gaia/Planet has no say in this. It's the "system humanity chose". Unconsciously of course. "Jinrui" or however Nasu spells it, the Human Principle is behind the Pruning System.

The system before the fall of the proto greek gods was probably different (since there is no existence of "history" and parallel works before that one, it seems more like it was a consequence of humanity slowly becoming the ruling sense).

>>20813782
Ok, first to enjoy FGO without expecting some masterpiece with a good MC (Guda does have a good concept if they weren't worried about making them as self insert bland as possible, Shimosa manga and Maaya's song with their POV and some scenes proves it) you need to understand:
>they started without knowing how to fuck write in a mobage, so all is clumsy first (the outline is solid, the execution was weak first)
>all your literal who are probably solid with their interludes and sq, eventually all servants (well most) get to shine at least once.
>the themes of fgo aren't the same of those from fsn. fsn is a personal story about one's happiness and one's ideals while fgo is about humanity as a whole (not the individual) and the worth of history. chaldea would recruit all servants, as long they are willing to fight for the human order. their morals and actions don't matter.

>>20796491
I had an exam soon after so I had to do some catchup. If you weren't retarded and did some reading, you'd realize there was no BTFO since the other poster already condeded that his point was subjective and that he didn't remember much of the VN. Evidence: Read his reply to when I showed proof from LParchive to his assumption about Shirou not pretending to act ignorant.

>>20815258
and now this guy is replying to my 3 day old reply

well at least you had the courtesy to keep it to the relevant thread this time, Shiroufag

>>20815327
>it's 3 days old, you can't reply! You have to cater to my mental illness!
I was thinking you're that guy from the other thread, but you're too retarded.
Even the accusation doesn't make sense, the "I posted last so I win" only makes sense if the other poster sees it. And there's nothing stopping from continuing the conversation. It's normal to continue convos in generals from last thread.

>>20815258
>>20815327
>>20815487
No-one gives a shit. Both of you need to fuck off.

>>20815498
He committed a blasphemy by replying to some posts late! I need to vent about courtesy since I totally lack any formality or any sense of etiquette in my day to day life! This board must follow certain mores because I assume everyone else has ADHD and low memory like me.

>>20815506
He seems to be right as far as needed to have the last reply goes. This general is not for this kind of /v/-tier shitflinging. Take it somewhere else.

>>20815553
>needing to have last reply in a general with very low traffic is a thing non-retarded people are supposed to believe in
I'm sorry to say this... but you're pretty dimwitted too.

>>20815578
Who are you quoting?

>>20815588
Your mental illness.

>>20815603

>>20814130
Mahoyo since it's shorter. Have you tried putting a translated script into CCC yet? I would think that it would be hard but I've never tried translating a PSP game before.

>>20814130
Mahoyo is in French. If you're good at translating, it's better to do something that hasn't been done yet. Those who want to read Mahoyo should learn the language of Western civilization.

>>20815645
Or maybe just learn Japanese and never have to deal with mediocre translations ever again.

>>20815608
?

>>20814518
One of the best thing in FGO is that the song lyrics are very very meaningful. Color and Eternity Blue for Mashu, Blank Space is from Guda to Roman and Backlight is probably from one of the Crypters to someone else. Each song has its own different theme but the lyrics is always beautiful. Also Maaya Sakamoto's voice is great, too.

>>20815950
Music alone does not fix the issues with it's existence in it's current state.
That meaning could be applied to far more substantial settings than GO.

>>20815958
He never said it did.

>>20815636
I haven't touched CCC yet. I know very talented hackers who could comfortably work through CCC (even though I know there's a group with working tools) so I'm not worried about the technical issues. I'm just thinking about the overall reach and impact that each title may have on the community. I know the tsukihime side/old-school fanbase would love Mahoyo translated, but perhaps a translation of CCC would appeal to a wider audience. I'm unsure because both will be huge undertakings, and I worry since I am sufficiently confident in my skills to be able to churn out at least an acceptable translation, and honestly I don't want yet another Nasu title to have an extremely poor job done yet again. I already regret not having worked through the pile of shit that is the translation of F/HA. I was contemplating working on it but I gave up and went to read other visual novels. So I don't want that to happen again. I also hesitate on Mahoyo because I don't want to get on the way of whoever is working on it right now. I was going to translate it a while ago but I was told by someone that there was someone working on Mahoyo so I gave up, but it seems neither of the supposed translators are making any substantial progress. Honestly, I don't know.

>>20816015
Honestly if I was you I wouldn't invest any time into a fanbase and company that has degraded this much at all.

I can't even re-read mahoyo without getting depressed at everything that came after.

>>20816015
Mahoyo is open to translate now.
I wouldn't think too much on translating based on the amount of interest an untranslated series has.
CCC is a trickier thing to work on, and is still a little ambiguous on if anybody is active on it.

I'd honestly say that after what has happened with later installments like Extella, a translation of CCC wouldn't really offer much to speak of, whereas finishing Mahoyo would help out many people and settle some arguments.

>>20816065
>after what has happened with later installments like Extella, a translation of CCC wouldn't really offer much to speak of
What Nasu did (or allowed) to the Extra series thereafter is fucking horrendous but it doesn't stop CCC from being pretty good

>>20816101
sure, but from an "overall reach and impact" point of view it's become utterly pointless because nasu has moved on from it to other retarded shit. the same could be said for mahoyo, but atleast mahoyo doesn't have "sequels" that share nothing with the original game.

>>20815603
Aoko > Rin > Akiha > Azaka

But I love them all!

Why do people expect Mahoyo 2 (or even Mahoyo 3)? Does the game finish with a "To be continued"? Do people expect other games because some characters didn't get enough focus?

>>20816620
no one expects it at this point, but it was expected at the time because Nasu literally said that he planned to do more installments and it was a rather short title, which, while quite good for its length, definitely felt like it could have gone on for another 10-20 hours. one of the largest complaints on bbspink at time regarding Mahoyo was how short it was.

>>20816620
Do you mean why did people expect it to come out at some point? Because Nasu literally SAID IT WOULD HAPPEN SOON after the release of Mahoyo, and that most of the stuff he wanted to do with Mahoyo setting was in parts 2 and 3.

>Nasu: Th-that, a written proposal like that does exist! ...Ah, I'm very sorry. 「Mahoyo」's story has come to an end for now, but the story on that street that centers around the lives of those three is still going. Just like after 「Jukkaku-kan no Satsujin」 there is 「Suisha-kan no Satsujin」. I think there will be a total of 3 games. In the end, Aoko, Soujuro, and Alice's future will be clearly shown ...Of course we don't want the players to continue waiting like this, so hopefully the release time for the 2nd and 3rd part will be shorter. The real story will begin in the 2nd part.

>4Gamer: Oh oh, so there will be sequels!

>Nasu: There will be sequels. Although the first part has concluded as a young adult work, there are places in there that made people go "?". Because we spread some very subtle hints, most readers will likely think "it's probably because of this." I think when the answers are revealed, it'll bring you the highest level of catharsis... in this regard I can only ask you to wait for the 3rd part.

>>20816645
i wonder if Nasu pathologically lies to close friends and family as well

>>20816666
Nasu is a psychopath.

>>20816645
Tsukihime was also supposed to have a sequel. That's where Bazett and Caren come from.

>>20799608
>>20799613
>>20799621
>>20802846
You'd think authors and creators shoulders-deep into otaku culture would realize that doing these things is a bad idea and the fanbase will always throw a bitching festival whenever stuff like this happens, and yet they always do it. Muh I'm a better writer now and all, but still. It's just such a childish train of thought, suck it up, realize the past should stay in the past, and use your new improved in your own viewpoint writing to make new better things for your fans and defeat your past self by making something better than it rather than try to re-write history. I'll truly never understand this mentality.

>>20817504
Nasu has literally demonstrated this too, but then he goes back to his cashcow and shows no signs of doing anything different for some time.

>>20814471
Is that so ? Since they used the phrase "the existence known as the World" (世界という者), which is usually referred to both Alaya and Gaia.
Anyway, thanks for your reply.

>>20815950
I agree with you. I've been re-reading some parts where Guda actually has meaningful actions and dialogue (and some introspection like in Nasu's epilogue) and feels like a waste they forced a potential good coming of age to be blank for self-inserting. Shimosa manga is a breath of fresh air.

I'm not convinced Mash/Ritsuka would have been interesting though. I like Mash; she's a good character (and could have been better) but feels too much like a child who is learning to crawl and follows the motherhen Guda. It doesn't feel very romantic even with forced romantic dialogue. It'll be better if Mash was another protagonist with her romance apart of Ritsuka. Like maybe Galahad?

I was crying like a baby when i watched this part for the first time. The OSTs, animation and seiyuu's performance are all great ;_;

Wasn't there an anime for that spin off with Waver? Something something case files? Whatever happened to that?

>>20819623
Lord El Melloi's Case Files. It's a LN, and the anime airs this summer. Only a 'preview episode" aired.

>>20819686
That makes sense. I saw a bit of episode discussion and nothing after that so I got worried that it was canned or was awful.

>>20816065
I guess I'll consider it. If I make any progress do you guys want me to post here? I plan on posting whenever I finish a chapter.

>>20818671
Mashu could have been good if they actually killed her off.

she completed her character arc at the end of part 1 and is now just rehashing it. actually, calling it a rehash would be too high of praise considering her last bit of development was in LB1.

I also like how she constantly spews trivia and tidbits about all kinds of obscure history and books for the entire game's lifespan and then reveals that she knows literally nothing about lovecraft in salem.

>>20819904
Sure anon, it'd be awesome to see any progress on the translation!

>>20813843
I love Beowulf.

>>20820094
She never got her wish to see the sky outside Chaldea. She was going to live to part 1. I think the story would have been better with her as a daughter figure.

>>20820094
Oh, and I don't think she's got a focus at all in Cosmos in the Lostbelt. She's got screentime but she doesn't have a lot of development beyond LB1.

Why does Nasu love the Extraverse?

Fate/stay night
Fate/hollow ataraxia
Fate/Zero
Fate/EXTRA
Fate/EXTRA Last Encore
Fate/EXTRA CCC
Fate/EXTRA CCC FoxTail
Fate/EXTELLA
Fate/EXTELLA LINK
Fate/Apocrypha
Fate/strange Fake
Fate/Grand Order
Fate/Requiem

>>20822626
Nasu didn't even write all of the EXTRA titles, didn't he co-wrote most of them?

>>20822626
>extraverse
Extraverse is just Extra and CCC which are the same story split in two parts because the developer was shit. The near and far side. Last Encore his attempt to make a passable reinterpretation route for the anime which sucked.

Extella is an AU and spinoff. It's not Extra anymore.

You're also counting Requiem and other shit that doesn't even count. Nasu has 4 Fate series he outlined, 5 if you count Prototype:
- Fuyuki Emiya series: FSN, FZ (the outline was his so were most of his characters, but didn't have the time to write it) and FHA. Also spawned Tiger Colosseum, TCU, UC and other shit based on this. For nearly a decade it had his full attention.
- Fate Extra: Extra, CCC, Last Encore. Basically Extra he barely he paid attention to and got involved in late development of Extra. He didn't spent a lot of time on it at all.
- Extella: Spinoff Extra, has Link as tie in between installments. Link story is short as fuck. He literally admits barely working on it too, since most of his time is supervising FGO.
- FGO: his longest-standing work with FSN derivates. Just "one game" but has run for years, takes most of his time. You shouldn't compare to a story split in games to a game that contains all things together because is accessible that way.

I want to fuck Nasu so much. I want to smell their armpits. I want to smell Nasu's hair. I want to fuck Nasu while Takeuchi is chained from a distance forced to watch. I want to have so many babies with Nasu. I want to force Nasu into marriage. I want to make Nasu write a love story about us. I want Nasu to slowly fall in love with me through Stockholm Syndrome.

I want Nasu.

https://twitter.com/sprite_fairys/status/1094456675824586752
>VNs are dying
Nasu was right to move into mobage business.

>>20823083
Based.
Take revenge on Nasu's butt for FGO existing.

>>20823126
visual novels are "dying" for a lot of reasons. one of which is that creators like Nasu moved on - Nasu hasn't been involved in the VN industry in almost a decade, and he never cared about it in the first place.

in sprite's case, though, it's really just god awful management. they're total retards and deserve to go out of business

>>20823126
When companies make it big, they're often still involved in the niche they started with, despite the fact whatever they started with is still a niche.
Companies don't typically put all their eggs in one basket, they like to diversify their investment, products and activities in various mediums. It's called diversification. There's no guarantee FGO is going to be successful 10 years later.
VNs aren't going to be a massive money making machine but they're an important part in generating anime adaptations, mangas, video game spin offs, figurines, etc... It's important for companies to try to maintain influence in various mediums and markets. On top of it, VNs are not costly to make so they're a good test to see if some work can end up being popular for other mediums as some can develop cult like fanbases.

>>20823162
>VNs aren't going to be a massive money making machine but they're an important part in generating anime adaptations, mangas, video game spin offs, figurines, etc
That's LNs, LNs are superior over VNs apart from routes and voice over.
>VNs are not costly to make so they're a good test to see if some work can end up being popular for other mediums as some can develop cult like fanbases.
VNs are actually expensive, LNs are way cheaper, faster to make and can get fanbase easier.

>>20823164
>LNs are superior over VNs
>in literally any way
Yeah anon, I sure love literature for babies that comes out in parts over years.

>>20823184
You can't wait like an adult so you prefer some digital literature for babies that need years to be developed?
The quality of the product itself is irrelevant, what's relevant is how fast and the numbers you can make them while keeping them cheaper, that's what companies care about. LNs are superior in those category as a product, that's why there are more LNs while VNs are dying.

>>20823205
I'm not disputing that they're better from a business standpoint, they're just in general way lower quality due to how easy it is to produce them, whereas VNs tend to have a good amount of time and effort from a whole team working on it.
There's also a lot more "great" VNs than LNs that I would consider remotely "good".

>>20823221
>I'm not disputing that they're better from a business standpoint
I guess I didn't make it clear that LNs are better in business standpoint, my bad.

Happy birthday, NRVNQSR-kun!

https://twitter.com/joujinakata123/status/1095629300361904128

>Fate/stay night
Fate/stay night [Réalta Nua]
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2386805
it uses moonmirror translation right? i just asking for a fate newfag friend who wanting to play this on android

>>20823281
I love manager Georges

>>20824558
From the file names it looks like the Mirror Moon translation with other features added, that was released on Beast's Lair for the Realta Nua re-release.

https://twitter.com/peppermint_lily/status/1095817497545269248

Cute

>>20827243
Very!

>>20823140
To be fair here, It's not any of the employees faults their managment team is fucking retarded.

just about everyone that worked on aokana actually did a great job and is very talented. It reminds of me when Troika went bankrupt after vampire bloodlines because Activision fucked them all the way.

>まほうつかいの箱 沈黙のルビー アルマゲインパクト
Does anyone have this drama cd? Can't find it anywhere.

>>20828830
that's what i mean, yeah. obviously the staff working on Aokana were talented but the guys running the show just don't know what they're doing. some guy in the visual novel thread already wrote up a good post about it.

>>20823164
Advantage of LNs for the publisher is recurrent releases. But LNs typically involve a lot more marketing since the market is more competitive compared to VNs (non-nukige).
LN isn't as expensive to make but it's more expensive to market. And the barrier of entry for exposure is higher for LNs.

VNs don't need to have voice over for the expenses. LN aren't superior to VN. Some VNs got so popular they gave birth to a franchise with a very popular gatcha like Fate.

>>20829919
Cute!

>>20829919
That's just precious.

https://www.animate-onlineshop.jp/sphone/contents/fair_event/detail.php?id=101869

Fate Beginners fair to celebrate the 15th Anniversary of FSN by Animate

>>20830968
Ah yes, celebrating FSN is exactly the same as bringing more secondaries into FGO trash.

>>20830968
I wonder how much of the offical celebration will be FGO shit.

nasu clearly isn't fond of the original F/SN anymore considering he wanted to rewrite all of heavens feel.

does anyone have CCC's concept art?

Man, it's really funny how everytime you argue with FGO fags they always circle back to the "you're just mad" and "that's just your opinion, man!" schtick

>>20832074
https://exhentai.org/g/623185/c9aee153b3/
https://exhentai.org/g/604830/989a4b9439/

>>20832687
That applies to a lot of fanbases.

>>20832732
That's true. It even applies to classic TMfags. It's just I run into it with a lot more frequency with FGOfags. I think the only good conversations that I've had about FGO - that is, the positive and negatives aspects of it - have been here, unfortunately. Everywhere else is just flagrant fanboying, unfortunately.

>>20832687
My personal favorite is when they start appeals to popularity. Like the other poster said, though, it's the same shit with all big fanbases. It's just more aggravating for us, I suppose, because we're apart of it.

>>20833035
Indeed, naturally when there is a larger sample size of people doing something, it means there will be more of these kinds of scum.
Probably also in a percentage sense too.

>>20831177
I guess he's only really kind of satisfied with UBW? He wants to redo Fate as well I think. I mean, I do think there are a lot of things that can be improved, but I have to wonder how far he would go.

>>20833839
Didn't he shit on Miura for the UBW anime?

>>20833856
I think I saw someone say that once before but their citation was fairly weak.

I honestly don't think Nasu wanted to rewrite HF for the movies because he thinks VN HF is bad or whatever but because he wanted to make something more suited to the format

>>20834031
That's possible, yeah. Though that's what the director is for - they're there to adapt it to the format.

>>20834031
You're underestimating how retarded Nasu is when it comes to HF and Sakura. The haters back in the day broke him to the point he thinks he needs to sabotage them at every turn instead of just telling the haters to fuck off.

>there are still people wanting Tsukihime remake instead of FSN remake

What makes FSN better than Tsukihime is the atmosphere, you can feel the danger, the drama, the mindfuck. The music does a better job to add to the atmosphere than Tsukihime. The characters interactions are so superior to the character interactions of Tsukihime that it hurts, and the slice of life segments and Shiki's point of view is fucking annoying. Tsukihime's plot is too forced at times, some times they lead to plot holes, weak plot or unexplainable developments. FSN's plot flows better, it's simple and credible.

Shirou's plot is also more mature, each resolution have more weight to them 1) Shirou keep chasing his dream in Fate, 2) Same with UBW but with Rn at his side, 3) Shirou ends up as a doll in one ending, 4) A lot of people die in another end, 5) HF's Good End wasn't precisely happy. In Tsukihime, all the characters can be saved.

Shiki never actually shows his resolve when it comes to deal with people who are prepared to kill, and the story does not have serious and mature people - aside from Arc and the only time Shiki had to confront one of his acquitances, was against Arc. Shirou, on the other hand, had to fight Black Saber, Rin, Archer, and Shinji at some point - there's also the point when he realizes all what Sakura has been doing. Tsukihime is just too light and aimed at teenagers. That's why the dark and cold as ice FSN is superior.

>>20834088
I miss ancient pastas like these.

>>20829648
>But LNs typically involve a lot more marketing since the market is more competitive compared to VNs (non-nukige).
>LN isn't as expensive to make but it's more expensive to market.
Sure, but LNs will give more overall profit than VN.

>VNs don't need to have voice over for the expenses.
It doesn't have to but there's barely any VN has no voice over nowadays.

>Some VNs got so popular they gave birth to a franchise with a very popular gatcha like Fate.
You mean only Fate, all other aren't mainstream popular like it.
Fate could start as a LN and it wouldn't matter.

>>20834098
I can't believe how naive we were.

>>20834112
Back then I think it was still relatively acceptable. I remember it was the Mahoyo delays that made me start being skeptical; it was originally slated for 2009 and we didn't get it until 2 years later. From there on it was an avalanche of broken promises and forgotten titles.

>retards hating on BASED FGO AGAIN

Fate/Grand Order is a good game because it challenges viewers by subverting expectations and the only people bashing it are misogynistic alt-right "incels".

FGO questions players' assumptions and expectations about identity and its relation to trust, and its bad reception is evidence of the toxic beta-ness omnipresent in eastern AND western society, and highly indicative of how the Type Moon fanbase is full of immature manchildren who are too afraid of strong self insert to be able to accept self insert leads in a dumb game.

Thankfully Delight Works is taking the series in a new direction which appeals to a new, younger, and more progressive audience. While some people do claim that they did not like the plot, that simply means that they did not like intelligent writing that subverts expectations, questions norms, and deconstructs the narrative structure of the series.

They are the sort of people who enjoy mindless garbage-filled action trash like Tsukihime, Muramasa, Dies Irae and Granblue Fantasy.

While it might be unfair to call their opinions irrelevant, it would not be an exaggeration to say that giving them attention would be the equivalent of allowing an uneducated swine farmer to opine on and critique fine art.
Fate/Grand Order has an 4.9 score on Google Playstore, which aggregates from data acquired from people playing the game.

Most people loved Fate/Grand Order, and the haters just need to accept that fact. Regardless of your personal thoughts on Nasu's decisions in the Fate franchise, there's no arguing that he did have some rather genius ideas. The events of Fate/Grand Order subverted expectations, for better or for worse, which seriously changed the game for the entire franchise.

Though his choices may have altered the franchise permanently, there's no denying that his narrative decisions were incredibly genius, still stirring a strong emotional response over 6 months later. Fate/Grand Order was unlike anything we had ever seen in the franchise before.

>>20834128
I successfully guessed this was an adapted TLJ pasta based on the "subverting expectations" bit alone.

>>20834123
The salt over the Mahoyo delay is mostly forgotten these days, but I remember how pungent it was. It was actually delayed twice, first in 2009 when the expected release was September or October, and then later in 2011. Actually in 2010, around August, Nasu had been boasting about how basically everything was close to being completely finished and that it would be out "soon." But by 2011, with nary a word from Nasu or TM, rumors began circulating that it was delayed again, which later received a very belated confirmation and a half-hearted apology. Because of a lack of response from the company, I remember quite a few pre-orders being cancelled and a lot of anger in general over TM. People were already upset over the short length, lack of voices, and no ero. Of course, the end result was quite good, but by 2012 when it actually came out, it had been through quite a rocky road indeed.

>>20834196
I think I recall it being Koyama's fault in Mahoyo's case but TM as a company really need to stop announcing things prematurely. Everyone just ends up getting disappointed unless they have some other company to boss them around with deadlines. Honestly I think Nasu is very much a person who *needs* deadlines.

>>20819904
Speaking for myself, I honestly think that would be fantastic!

>>20834137
It fits so perfectly too.

>>20834196
>short length, lack of voices, and no ero.
The price for the length is the main issue, and people knew exactly what was being made.
The rest is a matter of taste.

>>20834391
>and people knew exactly what was being made.
Actually there was some confusion in that regard, upon one of the delays, I recall there being mistakes being made as it was relisted on a few sites as 18+ and with voices. This made people think, albeit only initially, that it was being delayed because they were adding voices and ero. Although it was many years ago so maybe I'm just remembering that wrong. In any case, whether or not people knew exactly what was being made didn't stop those things from being a common source of complaints. "Nasu doesn't make a visual novel for 6 years, it's short, it has no voices or ero, AND he's delayed it so many times! Who does this guy think he is?" was not an uncommon thought. Really, the drama over Mahoyo was quite fun.

>>20834031
he, in his own words, wrote pages and pages.
and fixing the format isn't even his job, it's the directors. It's understandable he told him to quit it.
the director said by the way: "I feel like If we market it as heavens feel, it should have heavens feel inside."

so yeah, nasu went full last encore on heavens feel. that was before LE aired by the way, so he probably just got done writing that and was really satisfied with himself.

>>20834217
>Honestly I think Nasu is very much a person who *needs* deadlines.
What you say about Nasu needing deadlines is completely right considering he's never satisfied and wants to re-write everything every 5 minutes. He's the kind of retard who needs someone at his side always telling him "No, that's retarded, don't do that" and to always keep him grounded.
That used to be Takeuchi's job but with him being busy managing the company and his gorillions he can''t be there 24/7 as his tard mongler anymore so now we've got this.

>>20832687
Man, it's really funny how everytime you argue with the 3 nostalgiacucks from /tmg/ they always circle back to the "you're just mad" and "that's just your opinion, man!" schtick

>>20834890
Oh, right. Thanks for reminding me; nostalgia is a common retort of theirs as well. So predictable.

>>20834915
It’s the only thing that would make anyone cling to the shitty “old” type-moon

>>20834890
>>20836004
Yikes