/jp/ - Otaku Culture

watashi wa big homosex

Should I replace Anki with KKLC?

>>20771298
>LOOK MOM I MADE THE THREAD EARLY TO INSERT MY SHITPOST OP HAHAHAHA SERIOUSLY MOM COME LOOK AT THIS EPIC TROLL

You're all friends here, right? I can use 俺 and お前 and the plain form of verbs? I won't omit です desu. Or do you prefer a more formal atmosphere?

>>20771298
wait like an hour kashira

10 minutes is an eternity without all my friends be grateful i didnt make it early

>>20771347
>10 minutes is an eternity without all my friends
thanks

Imagine how much better this thread would be if it had post IDs

>>20771298
>https://massimmersionapproach.com/
Is this a joke? Make another thread please

>>20771222
Yeah i too think beginners shouldnt read anything until they can use a j->j after grinding 50k in anki

Anywhere I can find the Kanzen N1 works?

What do you think of using photos with anki cards?

if they implemented ID posting here i wouldn't get away with half the shit i post

>>20771392
If you're dyslexic then it's probably very helpful.

Is writing out words a good way to remember them?

>>20771400
same

>>20771392
>see photo
>oh i recognize this
>don't even look at the kanji but already hit good

>>20771404
no

10k hours of subbed anime however....

>>20771413
...are wortless

>>20771415
never gonna make it

>>20771413
When you remember a word in oneechan's voice as part of an embarrassing phrase... you've got it.
>>20771415
yes, wortless

>>20771425
what about when you remember a word in grown mans voice as part of a sick rap lyric

Best way to learn Japanese is watching variety shows.

>>20771434
>grown mans voice as part of a sick rap lyric
so much wrong with this sentence

>>20771439
the unstoppable lust that rushes forth from a country that censors ままるこ

>>20771439
probably but i'm too lazy to find shows and to download them

>>20771442
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q3ef4IUBOg&t=209

>>20771434
>>20771458
Whatever works but their pitch accents are all over the place!

>>20771449
I like these.

>>20771439
The hardest part is finding where to get them from.

>>20771487
naoki-raws

>>20771497
I mean in general, a lot of people record them but for private use.

>>20771172

i read about 30k furigana and 15k non-furigana manga before moving onto novels, and i think that's a good amount

>>20771477
nightscoop is beast. the one about the 元ヤン is amazing

Two months ゲイ here, how do I stop mixing 日 and 月? Is one always longer than the other or is it a font thing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOOMOVnsMk8
This. I tried listening to FGO playthrough whilst reading it but didn't get half the shit and only got frustrated instead.
>>20771434
you killin' me man

>>20771583
Got any recommendations?
I was watching 有吉反省会 for a bit but it's too random for me.
Also 出川哲朗の充電させてもらえませんか got boring really fast.

>>20771587
Dawg... literally just look at them right next to each other

advertising/begging

>>20771595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc5PJh9tEUo
krashner says its gotta be compelling

>krashner
who cares what he says

>>20771587
when you look up at the sky do you ever get confused as to whether you are looking at the sun or the moon? It's basically the same thing

>>20771680
people who want to learn nihongo maybe

Okay. How do I read? I have about 1k words seen in anki and Ive gone through tae kim, but when I see native content my brain just freezes up and I cant do shit

since when does krashner have a monopoly on reading and listening

5000 pages furigana manga

krashner has a monopoly on the science of being compelled
you dont need him to tell you what to do but if you aint fuckin up you followin his teachings whether you like it or not

just because he tells you to do something that happens to work doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about

thats a really important distinction that makes no difference in this discussion

not interested in your discussion. just statin facts about the irrelevancy of his "authority"

Anyone here has learned nipponese without Anki?

>>20771738
No, but don't worry no one will admit it

jamal literally thinks he knows more about language acquisition than krashen lol

I learned the word 鉱石 by watching an anime episode no actual learning needed i just heard the word and connected it to what was on screen. I'm never going to forget it either btw no need for anki.

dont sully ntrs name he wouldnt engage with me on such pointless trash this is the work of a punctuation using heathen

>>20771748

wow nice job learning a word anon

>>20771748
Only 19999 to go now

do i need 10k or 20k or 40k or 65k i cant keep this straight

How do japanese study new words?

>>20771797
look for the highest nK deck avaiable.

jamal does know about as much as krashen about language acquisition

>>20771798
They read English novels and mine words they don't know in Memorization

they go to school for 12 years of intense isolated kanji study not learning anything else

it confuses me that people try to shit on anki by bringing up natives as if natives don't learn their language in an extremely inefficient way, taking decades to learn 20k words.

>>20771809
笑う

there are many hebi to avoid in this yabu we call the djt

if you are not careful you will be bitten and become an eternal dekina

read your eroge and rather than dekinai you will become dekinaut voyager of the dekiru

*trying to hide the bite wound on my arm* h-heh heh no uhhh yeah i can rikai japanese haha *my body starts to transform into a toilet*

seriously as an english native i'm pretty sure SRS would have helped me remember a lot of words better. how is that controversial or disputable.

its too late youre stuck in the dekinai containment thread for the rest of your miserable life

>>20771777
>>20771791
thx but i need to warn you you need to know a minimum of 40k words to read a book or watch anime with extremely high comprehension

>>20771807
They only have 1 subject at school from 1st to 12th grade?

If you're studying for the SAT sure. It's overkill though. It's much harder to deal with moonrunes so the SRS is more useful.

>>20771827
kys

i believe in u anon if you ditch the anki your brain will adapt to learning japanese without srs and you can just read and watch and have fun it'll be hard at first but after you read 10k pages of novels and watch 10k hours of anime you will be unstoppable

i can only get through 100 sentences a day i'm NEVER going to make it with such a low IQ.

i use anki just to memorise random shit like if i have an exam ill use it to cram shit, it's undoubtedly an effective memory tool.

the lazy fuckers who are unwilling to spend 30mins looking away from their eroge every day to get that 200% boost to memorisation will neve reach the pinnacle of nihongo as foretold by prophet matt

>>20771809
>extremely inefficient way
try tell this to Abe

btw matt says only to do anki if you cant immerse. reading and watching is the only way to acquire japanese vocabulary and anki is just there if you are too lazy or dont have enough time a day to interact with the language

>>20771831
thats what dekinai like >>20771809 want you to think

>>20771820
The fact is that as soon you stop doing your reps your vacab is dead

>>20771827
How many words do I need to read scenario experiments lain?

>>20771886
idk it's not very long. you could just look up all the words as you go if you're specifically interested in that book. the 40k is for broad knowlege across genres and authors and other factors

matt sama
>matt says
matt sama
>matt says
matt sama
>matt says
女神は僕を救う

id just like to once again shill for my god tier immersion technique of writing down kanji vocab you hear while you're listening to anime/whatever

it's like doing anki reps on steroids!

>>20771899
no i don't really see the point

cringe

>>20771899
じょうずだね

>>20771910

it engrains the words into your brain and gives you something to do while you're listening so you stay focused

it seems like you aren't focused if you are writing stuff down instead of listening... i can understand maybe during the opening and ending songs writing down lyrics but this just seems like you aren't able to focus 100% on what's being said and are looking for an excuse not to strengthen your focus

>>20771841
If only this was possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO5ggc5KRl4
>wait six months to a year before reading or you'll cripple your accent
/djt/ btfo?

>>20771899
Can you guess the meaning of vocab just by knowing the meaning of Jouyou?

Front:
ポイントカードはお持ちですか?
ぽいんとかーどはおもちですか?
pointo ka-do wa omochi desu ka?

Back:
Do you have a point card?

>>20771954

you just don't know the word well enough if you can't write it without thinking, that's why you need this exercise. it's all muscle memory and putting it into practice.

when multiple ajatters have said something like "after 2k sentences i made the monolingual transition, and that's what really sped up my japanese learning", are they probably right or is it just placebo?

あんたバカ

>>20772005

sometimes maybe yes, sometimes maybe no

i dont think pronouncing japanese (not talking about pitch accent) is difficult. there are things like devoicing certain things like した in 確認した will be shta instead of shita but other than that pronouncing japanese words is very straightforward unlike french or english. in my experience i am able to start recognizing words i learn while reading almost immediately while listening due to this easy of pronunciation. i think you will learn more words quickly by reading more than listening so it depends on how much time you want to spend on getting your listening comprehension up to speed

>>20771994
Two weeks with RTK tops. TOPS. You can do that while learning the grammar first steps.

I've been running up against って for months and still don't know what the fuck it's doing half the time and I'm probably gonna have to take a break and spend a few hours brushing up on it with guides. So much for immersion.

if u understand everything else besidse って id say your immersion has been going pretty well. u might just not be ready to acquire that bit of language yet. think about everything else you are learning besides that

>>20772100
Trust me there's plenty more I don't get it but it's the basics that I'm still not getting that really makes me wanna break my desk in half.

>>20772022
Nothing beats a monolingual dictionary. When I started using one for english it was awesome. It's a lot harder to actualy get the real meaning of the word with only possible translations of that word.

>>20772022
>>20772108
>tfw only one person responds so idk what's right

>>20772106
if it makes you feel any better the hardest parts about japanese are the most basic parts of the language. everything after that is smooth sailing

>>20772089
That will pay off. It's great when you find the right explanation and it really clicks.

Im trying to download the Kodansha Dictionary
What the hell is a .djvu format? Can i convert it to .pdf?

>>20772089
watch more anime

>>20772209
They speak so fast that I'll probably just mistake a general て for って and vice versa so listening won't do me any good.

try reading 5000 pages of furigana manga

why the fuck would you use anki in your native language to prepare for standardized tests? literally all you have to do is read lots and read difficult books and your advanced vocabulary will expand naturally. that's like the kihonchuu no kihon of doing well on the sat/act

To cram for a test, you obvious brainlet. People are not diligent readers.

>>20772214
listen harder, pause and rewind, reference subtitles or transcripts, whatever
there's a lot of missing information in text, like tone, emphasis, etc that you can't effectively pick up on if you haven't already listened to a lot of spoken japanese in context

cuz they aren't intelligent. smart people don't have to study in the first place

>>20772267
true

t. 偏差値 75

what a truly horrendous thread go next plz

first tell me how to watch anime without eigo subs correctly sensee

>>20772327
What's wrong with the thread?

thats ez u just watch anime w.o the subs after 10000 hours with the subs : )

I listen to jpop/kpop music all the time and I can't speak a single word in both languages. I'm retarded? Immersion is a meme

sometimes you say some real genuine shit sensee but sometimes i dont feel like i can trust you

Owned

i tried immersing myself in water to learn how to swim and all that happened was i almost fucking drowned and had to have a paramedic do cpr on me. she wasnt even that cute. gee thanks djt

u dont have to trust me just trust urself :D

>>20772378
loved this post. thanks anon, you really explained immersion with a metaphor

>だけに
>だけあって
wow, synonyms back to back in dojg? really getting sick of this shit.

>>20772393
>>>/pol/124205675

Dojg will cripple your understanding of Japanese avoid like AIDS

>>20772460
if you dont have aids or hiv you aint gonna make it

Anyone here has made an Anki deck with all vocab?

Your average MIA learner (between filming their "90% comprehension" progress videos)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CkSWV80HAI

lmao that's too perfect

https://twitter.com/greg_ashman/status/1092535589415444480

ahahaha shitty fucking "scientific" studies getting BTFO. beware replication

I don't get this whole "immersion works or not" discussion. You're gonna have to immerse in the language eventually, that's the reason you are learning it. It's like asking if learning songs on the guitar works to learn the guitar.

>>20772568
Well, science is heavily socialized and subsidized nowadays. What do you want for ""free""?

>>20772568
p-hackers beware replication attempts*

>>20772605
It's just a meme, "immersion" is a cultist buzzword
normal people call it input

>>20772633
Honestly freaked me out when i watched toilet kun vs nuke and toilet was like "yeah, sure, i havent immersed this week so this will be good" like... idk it was ugly sounding and smug. Not a beautiful way to talk about nihongo and also don't think two beginners talking to each other is "immersion"

https://streamable.com/f43ix

Imagine being this insecure. virgin matt vs chad dogen

そんなことはもう一度

>>20772696
むりすんな

As a vaccine to keep your nihongo from being permanently crippled, please consider that 五輪 means "five rings" and refers to the Olymipic Rings and Olympic Games. See you Tokyo 2020!

>don't learn to write
I knew this doll was just a meme. Into the trash "she" goes.

>>20771298
What has made you think about quitting Japanese?
For me it was the weaaboo cringe compilations on youtube, all the weaaboos in general, the retards using memes and phrases taken from anime and using them wrong, the people that said it sounded like Spanish ( which it doesn't) I had to spend hours researching about Japanese phonetics and found out that all the vowels while being similar are slightly different from Spanish with the "u" being very different and plus Spanish doesnot have long vowels and neither does it have the h,z,v,w,tsu,tzu,sh,j,dji sounds + it doesnt have double consonants nor does it have pitch accent and I might be forgetting about other stuff, the people that say it sounds like spanish are retards that have only studied spanish such as burgers and bongs or spanish speakers themselves. What they should actually be saying is that it is a flat language Swahili is also a flat language yet no one compares it with filthy Spanish but the thing that has made me want to quit the language the most was seeing a disgusting tranny speaking it on a youtube documentary also some stupid green haired weaaboo bitch that appeared on one of yutas videos and a stupid cunt that has a youtube channel and speakss like 10 languages once started talking japanese in the most disgusting manner ever like if she was trying to seem cutesyn or wathever but it was insuferable and revolting. Women should not be allowed to learn Japanese my blood boils with rage whenever I see a non asian woman saying she is learning that language.

t. eternal dekinai

>ものを
>A disjunctive coordinate conjunction
oh now i get

>>20772735
>For me it was the weaaboo cringe compilations on youtube,

>>20772735
Yeah, it's obviously not exactly like spanish, you absolute genius. But, spanish speakers do have a way easier time learning the pronunciation than burgers.

>>20772735
>What has made you think about quitting Japanese?
nothing, but if i had to say something i'd say the learning difficulty. why would i let how other people feel about it influence me? that's silly.

>>20772733
>Took you 45 lessons

Dont respond to reddit reposts or reddit flavored oc "please''

I can't possibly be the only person who is creeped out by this stuff: There is a whole verb in Japanese which, when appended to the stem form of any other verb, allows you to express the opposite of that verb without having to use its negative form.

Maybe that description didn't make much sense. It's like, append the positive form of this verb to the end of the stem of the verb in the sentence "It's possible to do that", and you can make the sentence mean "It's not possible to do that." Though since verbs end the sentences in Japan, it's more like "Yes, we can do that for you — NOTTTTTT." I mean, how is that "polite"? How is that the way to deal with people in business? Do people feel really great whenever they use that in a professional conversation? Do they feel like they just scored a four-hit combo in Street Fighter IV?

>>20772735
>What they should actually be saying is that it is a flat language
never gonna fucking make it

>>20772774
So what you're trying to say is, どうぞよろしくお願いします 。

>>20772733

>>20772788

>>20772788
Flat as in it doesnt have sounds that jump to you go listen to swahili japanese and spanish then listen to german, arabic, russian or even english and you will then realise that those are not flat languages

>>20772676
he meant that he has not immersed in water this week

btw that german guy who did his hour long mia video in english listened to and read english for 8 years before that point

he meant that he had not meditated in a float tank that week so his brain steroids were wearing off

Nuke is fucking SAVAGE. Be careful what you say or you're gonna get BEAT DOWN

>>20772824
what the fuck are you talking about you loon
"japanese is a flat language" is one of the most common pieces of advice given to japanese learners; it's also fucking wrong

>>20772842
yikes, not okay with the transphobia here nuke. do better

>>20772842
Good Lord.

>when it takes you 4 months to get through the DoJG anki deck and when you get to the last 200 cards you already recognize a substantial portion of the grammar from reading

>>20772822
"She" admitted to not be able to write; and "her" whole argument is that there's no NEED to learn it, but you could if you want to, which is fucking retarded. Learning to write is a must, like it or not.

>>20772827
>>20772837
Lmao

imagine if joe rogan started learning japanese

>>20772868
Learning to read is a must.

>>20772844


>>20772844

Cant you hear the difference in sound between english and spanish fucking faggot? I can because im a native spanish speaker and japanese and swahili sound flat mostly because they dont have weird vowels like the English schwa or crazy consonants like arabic ghayn and 3ayn or the hamza. And pitch accent does not make it sound not flat.

My friend and I are both NEETs and I wanted him to learn Japanese with me but he said that although he'd like to, it looks too difficult. How do I get him to understand that preferences are not OK and he has to do it too?

>>20772868
M*** cant write and isnt just fluent, hes ichiban tsuyoi

>>20772882
no one cares about that gay shit pablo fuck off

>>20772868
Only retards don't learn how to write. When writting by hand you strenghten your knowledge of the kanji you write and if you do not enjoy writting Japanese just for the sake of it then next time you are taking notes be it from a college class or instructions from someone on the phone write them down in Japanese, you might impress some normie retard and get a friend or girlfriend.

>>20772900
withhold sex

>Does input have to be "comprehensible"?
Even at a beginner level you should watch something you like, even if you can only comprehend like "30"% of what they're saying.

>>20772842
jeez nuke responding to hate with hate just hurts the innocent bystanders

>>20772906
>M*** cant write
yes he can. he did rtk like twice and maintained a writing deck with cloze deletion or w/e it's called for years.

>>20772918
i read as sweet doujin once about teaching vocabulary through sex like an alternative to mnemonics

>>20772900
do you live together? how often do you suck each others' dicks?

What are some good/fun games to play in Japanese that aren't Visual Novels? Stuff like JRPGs or Strategy games where you can take your time

>>20772936
able to write kanji does not make one able to write japanese

>>20772944
スカイリム

>>20772952
no todd

>>20772949
>and maintained a writing deck with cloze deletion or w/e it's called for years.
as in words. he also wrote outside of anki. catch up on your **** lore before you embarrass yourself.

>>20772944
love plus

>>20772959
cloze deletion still sounds like single kanji and hes never shown himself write more than one kanji
are you sure hes not fronting

>>20772966
Be a gentleman you bastard. You still want to prove some tiny fraction of your argument after you've lost most of it? For fuck's sakes.

be a le epic gentlesir ftw

>>20772971
i refuted your entire argument and questioned the unsubstantiated addition and you think ive lost thats an interesting angle

>>20772966
>sounds like single kanji
it was words:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-U8OlbDkgo
he even wrote celebrity names because he's a genius.

don't ever question him.

>>20772984
not me dipshit. i took a fat shit all over your face you fuckin mad bro?

matt is beyond questioning at this point

>>20772991
oh shit the unlisted video did i just get owned by a genuine patron
haitatti

you can see patreon videos on yiff.party. but maybe i should be a patron since he's so damn good...

>>20772907
I care retardef faggot I dont want to learn a language that has the exact same sounds as the subhuman language that is spanish. If not for the differences I stated on my rant about things that made me want to quit japanese I would have quit months ago.

yeah i know but i figured such a big fan wouldnt pirate the masters content now im judging you all you had to do was keep quiet for respect but you fucked up by being honest havent you learned not to be honest

>>20773012
>not learning japanese because spics

dude please just give me a second chance i'm sorry

There are 日本語をできる人 in this thread right now.

unlikely

>彼はただ弁護士だけが頼りだ
>ただ__だけ
>merely/only lawyer only
what the fuck?

will my life be compromised forever since the first time i use Anki?

>>20773055
*日本語ができる人。

hook line and stinker

>>20773149

>>20773139
かれはただいもうとだけがたよりだ

i live in ど田舎 in denmark and am going to コペンハーゲン tomorrow. will there be real にっぽんじん？

>>20772846
Good advice. Nuke shouldn't reply to obvious bait posted by a guy on reddit calling himself NaziCumFarts. It won't end well no matter how good the burn.

>>20773177
頼りにならない例

>>20770112

どこ視点だ

>>20772944
dq and smt are the best jrpg series so play those

>>20771587
And this, gentleman, is why true nihongo samurais do rtk

Why is お袋 a term for mother and what connotation does it have?

>>20773287
http://gogen-allguide.com/o/ofukuro.html

Dolly's losing viewers rapidly, she's gonna need something big next week if she wants to stay in the game.

>>20773305
her viewers learned nihongo and moved on to consuming content

>>20773305
she should show her tits

>>20773305
she already explained all the japanese grammar ,in 39 lessons
her job is over

>ちったぁ
What the fuck is this? Is it slang for ちょっと?

>>20773334
yes

the たぁ part is slurred とは so, ちっとは

>female character: "俺-"
>me:

But she didn't explain how ただ and だけ can be used in the same sentence.

>>20773354
Ok that makes sense, thanks anon.

>>20773355
I don't know about that, but 僕っ娘 are HOT.

>>20773364
ただこれだけは言っておく：お前は断じてゲイ。

Is a no-adjective not particularly different from a na-adjective?

i feel like 99% of no-adjectives are "nouns that can be used as adjectives" aren't they?

>>20773434
"na-adjectives" are nouns grammatically. Dumb gaijin just don't think of them like that because they translate to adjectives.

sumimasen!

>>20773373
excellent taste

>　……かわいいじゃねえか。

So she is cute?

>>20773467
"Aren't you cute?"
Why do people struggle with this shit so much? It's done in English too.

maybe ?

>>20773472
sorry im finnish

>>20773467
when you're having trouble with じゃないか just remember that "she isn't cute?" and "isn't she cute?" are the exact same thing in english albeit with very slight difference of nuance

お上手ではありませんか : )

ふとった？

ふとった？

ふとった？

ふとった？

>>20773510
いま太っている

>>20773466
-wa is the topic marker, not the subject. Really bad Example. Fortunatelly I have watched Cure Dolly lessons.

太ってもいいよ

RTK or KKLC?

>>20773534
They're both bad but if you're going to waste your time you might as well waste it with RTK.

>>20773539
How's the kklc deck?

Nails it again. There ain't a problem he can't solve.

rtk after you read 10k pages of novels

>anime

enjoy your gimped accent. ironic considering these fags put off reading in order to develop a better accent but then just waste it on anime lmao

only matttards care about muh accent let alone outputting at all
please put "this thread is for learning to consume otaku media if you want to chat with 11s go to /int/ and stay go please" thanks

>>20773482
i feel baited by this post what were you thinking when you wrote it

>>20773624
it was written earnestly

>>20773602
japanese youtube videos can sometimes provide better input than anime.
what's wrong with cultists anyway, why are they counting how many cartoons they watch?
what exactly is stopping them from counting how many youtube videos they watch too?

>>20773602
Jesus Christ. It's as if their dicks were cut off and their spines crushed the moment they were born in to this world.

i have a feeling matt is the only one who is ever going to get to the level he is at just because of his autism like no one else really wants to know japanese that bad they just wanna roleplay on twitter and youtube about how the immerse and how efficient their method is. they will never take it as far as matt did

>>20773626
no i meant what situations were you thinking of because this is how i read it
>"she isn't cute?"
it is implied that someone thinks she is not cute
you ask if the person indeed thinks she is not cute
>"isn't she cute?"
you think she is cute or if you have not seen her you expect her to be cute
you ask someone if they think she is cute

cute avatar though

all matt did was rtk-ify every aspect of nihongo and do it them like they were rtk and the result is well.. lmao

nice mangos

>>20773650
im the halo 3 case

>>20773650
Almost all of that manga is shit. Can't say I'm surprised given the shit surrounding them.

>>20773642
yes, but at the end of the day, you're asking "whether or not the other person thinks she's cute." that much can be understood regardless of the nuance of what the speaker and hearer both think. context can sort the rest out, so it's all okay imo

>>20773650
is that a turquoise ds lite? absolutely fucking preposterous
those square comic bobblehead things look like complete ass though, nendroids are 10000x better

is there any consistency in this

>>20773650
how can someone have the fucking gall to buy funko pops yet be weeb enough to own all that manga

Talking to anons in Japanese is really fun but /jp/ would just bully me for my abysmal grammar.

this is why you only do 5000 pages of furigana manga. anymore past that and youre wasting time you could be spending on novels which is where the real reading practice takes place

>>20771575

>>20773657
>yotsuba
>hero academy
>tokyo ghoul
>made in abyss
>one piece

>shit

post some nihongo ill bully u right fUcken nOw

>>20773657
which manga isnt shit lets hear it

>>20773673
don't forget 少女終末旅行, the pinnacle of the artform

わたしはゲイ

>>20773675
Yotsuba, and the 3 volumes of One Piece.

>>20773615
aha ive watched code gayass so i know this reference :)

>>20773683
JIBUN WOOOO

>>20773683
i haven't because i wouldn't waste my time on that crapola
any show that features mecha but they aren't really important is a *makes ridiculous fart noise with my mouth* from me

>>20773670
If you want to just jump in to that, they do it on /int/ constantly. I appreciate the corrections. Usually a boring crowd.

you didn't know about thejapancode? he's one of matt's most level-headed disciples.

あそあそとか

うえのさんがない

can't imagine being in an environment when you feel guilty you aren't watching anime and beat yourself up for watching a youtube video. just watch anime ftw like it shouldnt be something you force yourself to do when i dont feel like it i just read a book (japanese) like you are always leveling up anime isnt the end all be all even though you definitely need that 10k no doubt about it but dont beat yourself up

>>20773716
that's why he was beating himself up
he wants to get 10k so he can start learning japanese

djt would never bully you for switchin it up
we used to post ign all the time for our tomodatitati

cool problem

you only get whapped if u pretend to be good and it turns out you are lame, otherwise everybody just reads over your post goes "huh i wonder what he meant by that" "thats not how you use こっちゃ" to himself and moves on peacefully

thinkin about pickin up sentence cards cause i can never make a patreon if i dont follow a gimmick

>>20771298
More like Missing In Action

>>20773733
what did he mean by this

this motherfucker's name really is gilbert gilberto, huh

>>20771409
Holy shit kek

>>20773737

can you make a twitter and post the sentence cards you make that would be really interesting

>>20773639
yeah no one else will have what it takes to read 10 books and watch a whole 3,000 episodes of anime

>>20773747
this hurts

>>20771810
Fuck why are kanji so piss easy? I just have to chant "bamboo bamboo calamity" and I already know it's smile

>>20773747
lol wtf, was he counting every instance of __的 as an entirely new word

>>20773760
based rtk chad

how do u know if its a laugh or a smile

>>20773747
Are these people actually so stupid that they can't just look up the word without the 者 or 的?

>>20773771
it's more that they don't even understand what those 2 kanji do and just instinctively look up the whole thing 反射的に

>>20773768
I'm using anki though

dont they do RTK beforehand like there should be context and then you see the word "contains doubt person" like huh wonder what that could be in this case

Damn you guys must feel so good about yourselves talking shit about autistic nerds on the internet. You are

SO
FUCKING
COOL

>>20773783
I don't feel cool at all bro but I'm having fun yes

>>20773760
thats one bamboo you fucking fraud

true

i do and i am

>>20773786
I already know that but I mislearned it as two bamboo and it stuck

i still don't know the quick and easy english mental shortcut to understand what 的 does to words

why do you need a shortcut
it's just 的

>>20773801
>english
Crippled

>>20773801
jisho can help you out there

>>20773809
idk what that is is why

>>20773695
/int/でいる人は普通すぎるとつまらない。それに奴らが変な方をいじめる！　大嫌い!
他の掲示板ではもっと理解できます。

>>20773729
実だろう？　見たことじゃないだから。

>>20773801
-like

last bump for fuck flashcucks

>>20773820
>bump
>less than a minute after a previous post
>after the thread is past the bump limit
I'm not sure what board you came from, but you need to go back.

世界的
世界

the fuck is the difference? "global-like"? doesn't make any sense to me.

>SRS is a method not a tool
Basically, you are retarded and that's why you hate it

>>20773827
Worldwide
World
?
I only know sekai means world but I'm guessing it works like that, I mean it makes a lot of sense
I mean -wide is not exactly -like but japanese is japanese and english is english

>>20773827
世界 - world
世界的 - global (this is only one interpretation)
世界的な問題 - a global problem
的 turns nouns into adjectives

>>20773827
ohmanwhatareyousayingjesushelphim
>>20773850
This, he answered my prayers.

>>20773847
but it's this "exception" (i bet there are many others) that prevents me from thinking of 的 as "like"
>>20773850
that almost makes sense i bet i'll get it later

>>20773860
>but it's this "exception" (i bet there are many others) that prevents me from thinking of 的 as "like"
Then why do you want an english shortcut to begin with? They literally all work like this.

>>20773860
stop thinking about it as "like" then. this is why people say translating in your head is bad

>>20773860
you should think of it as てき
like is just a starting point until youve read 的 enough times that you develop a feel for it

>>20773827
>>20773850
Also this is good to point out, if you learn when a word is verb, noun, adjective, adverb, etc. (and you understand what that means of course) you are going to have less dilemmas of this sort

>>20773860
I'd dare say there's no exception, you just insist on thinking in terms of how it compares to english when what you are learning is japanese

>>20773872
>stop thinking about it as "like" then. this is why people say translating in your head is bad
because then i won't know what the hell it's doing period? thank god for translating in my head or i'd be even worse off

>>20773882
anon i think you might be retarded

>>20773894
don't insult me

>>20773882
you don't need to think about this or that or this or that
just read more and when you've seen 的 used in a hundred different ways you'll understand very clearly how it works and it won't be a problem anymore.

>>20773882
you dont really need to know what its doing if you get the gist of the sentence remember that the end goal isnt to see 世界的 and go ah yes global its to see 世界的 and go ah yes 世界的

Learn humility. If you were nice I'd write you an explanation that occurred to me, that would make sense in your way of thinking.

>>20773901
no thanks i don't want advice from someone so cruel

dude does need to chill and learn to say 私はゲイ cause were all ゲイ here

quit memeing like you're ゲイ you're not even ゲイ name one fucking homoge you've jerked it to

what's a good incest vn

>>20773917
everything you want and more is on vndb but i think you should find less degenerate fetishes like vore or scat

finna jerk it to this https://vndb.org/v19290

ah yes 太めな素股のロリ

It's kanji tiem! The radical is "big" and it has a dick.
Meanings from penis: plump, thick, big around, fat
Readings are easy: タイ from (di)ck and ふと like fat.

Oh fuck off, DoJG.

>>20774033
Are they serious in the second paragraph? I thought masu/plain was just a formal/informal thing.

>>20774044
bad terminology they mean the "masu stem" or 連用形

>>20772022
i only used j-j dict for words that can't be explained well with english definitions. the 'monolingual transition' sounds fucking bullshit to me. if u understand a word and how it can be used, then there's nothing to worry

>there's only one ゼロの使い魔 audiobook

>>20773914
ive pulled my pud to おとメイド＠cafe
am i legally allowed to say 私はゲイ?

>>20774033
Imagine reading this shit instead of just naturally coming to understand it without even realizing it by reading a lot.

元気じゃないです
日本語は苦しいが艶かしいんです

>tfw don’t care enough about anime to watch 10000 hours of it
>tfw will never be a true nihongo samurai like matt sensei

>>20774224
Do you have a happy life and many friends? If so, it's not surprising that you don't care about anime.

if you care about getting good at japanese, make some friends who learned japanese without college classes or RTK or sentence cards or any meme bullshit, and leave DJT forever. this place is full of people talking about things they don't understand and people repeating bad advice.

ゑ
This is the weirdest fucking kanji. It makes 凹 seem ordinary.

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/User:Arknarok/Kanji_Guide/Ultra-weird_Kanji
pick your favourite

>>20774276
Wow some of those are 寒い. Also it says 卐 used to be a Kanji. The readings are バン,ハン, まん.じ.

>>20772089
It's the same as と most the time. Just read the definitions in edict and make your best interpretation. Grammar guides clearly aren't helping you.

>>>/int/101115008

>>20774268
ah yes the elusive "tits as seen from above" radical

>>20774286

it's still used. there's a recent slang of people using 卍 to mean マジ or saying マジ卍

>>20774118

imagine spending 10,000 hours reading manga to understand that stuff instead of reading a few paragraphs and coming away with a more concrete understanding

>>20774644
マジ卍

trying to find "The Temple of the Golden Pavilion" (金閣寺), but to no avail

i want to read something im interested in, it's a drudgery reading through fucking 赤毛 when i have no interest in the story

>>20774880
https://my.mixtape.moe/bvglqv.epub

>>20774888
how do i know it's not a virus

https://www.virustotal.com/
Upload it there.
https://www.virustotal.com/#/file/9419cc19daeff53c8d343d51bf822930acf40b44bb04ba15551fa33db378a32e/relations

>>20774812
ｆｕｃｋ(´∀｀(⊃*⊂)

>>20774880
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XcB6dViF8E

>>20771298
Bet you can't translate this

The more I learn the harder it gets wtf

>>20775008
wouldnt want to looks gay af tbqh

>>20774888

wtf is the point of the epub format when readers cant recognise the aozora bunko format. have to convert it to txt just to make it look nice

>>20775014
this but my penis

>>20773917
Literally nothing beats the good old ヨスガノソラ。

>>20775036
You talk like a 14 year old who vapes and hits on girls over discord.

>>20775118
i guess u would know about 14 y/os

>>20774033
>the difference between vmasu and vte
you know i always wondered that but never bothered to actually read dojg's in-depth explanations so thanks for posting this.

>>20775008
What's to translate?

>>20774076
is this series actually good?

>>20774880
None of Mishima's novels have been officially digitized. Only amateur transcriptions exist. If you can't read print novels yet, you're probably not going to get much from reading it anyway.

>>20774880
its in the 400+mb of assorted LN txt file format torrent that i got either on nyaa or the djt library

>>20775075
self love isnt incest >: )

>>20773801
learn elementary chinese

>>20774717
Lol this guy thinks he can read, remember, and have concrete understanding by reading a grammar book. This guy thinks he will be able to keep all the rules straight in his head. Holy shit lol

>>20775363
I listened to it and it was fun. It's not a masterpiece, it's definitely some big time isekai LN shujinkou shit but the heroine (and everyone else) being voiced by kugyu is basically enough to put it in my book.

the more u learn the harder it is to keep track of everything and at one point u just gotta say f**k it and let it all go and immerse as much as possible

why are u keeping track of anything thats like cradling a huge clump of sand of which uve memorized all the grains with the front of ur shirt and hoping when u set it all down u can still remember where everything is

thats not learning or feeling or frankly having fun at all

Don't say "immerse," that word is cursed

true

worst struggle is to find stuff that you are interested in

that should actually be the easiest part of learning japanese u might not be suited for this might wanna give whether u wanna learn it or not another big think before you waste thousands of ur precious life on something that wont be worth it

agreed id rather be motivated by a blind inclination that hentai games are great and learn as a result of my efforts that they are trash than to have never felt anything at all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnWtqCtbsNs#t=30

>>20775504

holy shit this guy thinks he can learn physics just by reading a book lmao. you won't be able to keep all the rules straight in your head unless you look at a pendulum for 10k hours

>>20775590
>>20775504
Can't you do both at the same time

thinking human language works like a math problem to be solved is hilariously stupid. that's why google translate is so good at translating english to japanese right?

if u wanna do both thats def ur prerogative but one is way better just as a thing to do objectively as the other

I know this probably isn't the right place to ask but i remember reading a story where some company in japan fucked up and ended up killing some workers/civilians by negligence or something of the sort and the lawyers working for the families of the deceased simply submitted a litigation where the reason for suing was just "grief/disgust/scorn" but it was written in an ominous and obscure kanji. Does anyone know what i'm talking about?

even math requires "immersion," good luck trying to solve problems after reading the theory in a textbook if you're just some dude with no background

well the reason why nihongos so hard to algorithm is bc the very words themselves are just a guide most of the time unless youre plainly stating facts or w/e

to put it another way japanese is pretty incomplete as a language when u remove the human aspect to it

in a lot of ways its 1 of the "realest" languages out there : )

damn calvin really is MIA now where did he go???

>>20775609

it's dumb to suggest you can't memorise the grammar rules and keep them in your head, whether or not you can apply them appropriately to understand or create a sentence is different. it's not like it's hard to retain complex information from a book unless you're mentally deficient

carbin either quit hard or is in the hyperballs chamber crankin this shit on repeat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RoKsza70EM#t=125

>>20775639
why would you even waste time with it in the first place? it will not help you speak or understand spoken language. maybe it will help you break down a sentence and be like oh here this verb is in mizenkei its the jutugo of this sentence its like who gives a fuck if you arent purely interested in grammar in the first place

おもしろいきじみつけた

required Ｎ１＋+
https://diamond.jp/articles/-/86600

おいしい

なっとうって

なんだろうっていうきじ

djt loves reading stuff like pic related but for japanese but every time without fail when they get in the drivers seat they stall the mother fucker putting it in gear lmao

>>20775654

you really think knowing what grammar means doesn't help you read lol? it means you don't have to wait 500 hours until you figure it out for yourself and you can get a feel for the nuances much quicker because you already understand essentially what's going on in each sentence

>>20775639
The problem is grammar rules are insanely arcane and complex to the point no one has even come close to making an algorithm that can properly work with them, so it's a futile task to try and memorize it all as theory. It's not math, all you're going to get is some goofy tae kim explanations.
You have to let the part of your brain that's specially evolved for language figure it out as you read & listen.

>>20775654
>why would you even waste time with it in the first place? it will not help you speak or understand spoken language
because i didn't know the difference between vmasue and vte despite seeing them constantly, but now i do? i wonder how much reading i'd have needed to do to absorb that naturally. probably a fuckton.

>>20775680
cursed post

ナットの話はやめとけ

>>20775682
reading was still necessary to actually remember those forms and to get a base understanding of them. i'm not saying you should grind grammar books while not reading and expect to comprehend stuff.

like steve said reading really helps me notice stuff. and after i notice stuff enough i can only see reading an explanation of them in a grammar book as a good thing.

>>20775673
understanding the grammatical nuance of things in japanese basically means you are deleting your english understanding of how things work and are feeling how things work in japanese. why not just read a lot and figure it out right the first time instead of polluting your mind with english explanations that only slow you down in the long run even if they might SEEM like they are expedient at first

whatever u do u do not wanna end up like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2OcqIfg-m8#t=2907

>>20775698
>and figure it out right the first time
don't understand the nuance of a grammar point for months or years so that your "first understanding" is "accurate", or understand the nuance of a grammar point immediately by reading about it, and refining/ditching it later if you find there to be too many exceptions with absolutely no negative side effects whatsoever. really tough choice.

>>20775694
i'm just making fun of you for learning moronic english terminology like "v-masu"
anyway i'd argue that even having read that DOJG entry, you still don't understand the difference in practice and probably wouldn't be able to consistently use the two forms naturally

>>20775573
I got interested and involved with Japanese because of thing X, but that thing as I was learning Japanese got boring, so I lost my main source of interest
but I put so much time into Jap that I didn't want to quit either and came to enjoy the language itself more - but I'm still without that thing I cherished the most, so I'm struggling

>>20775721
>and probably wouldn't be able to consistently use the two forms naturally
definitely not. who in the fuck said anything about outputting?

>>20775702
isn't this what pretty much every native japanese kid has to go through in school

i mean theres no greater proof of that than literally any research project young ppl do in school where they literally consult the encyclopedia and intake a shitload of information about something to create the project but if u ask them about literally anything specific that they should know if they were familiar with the material they consulted like just even a week later they cant tell u shit

u cannot just arm some1 with boundless information from a reference text and trust them with their educational development because nearly all of the time they will fail and become carbin

>>20775733
i mean if u mute the vid yah thats about right and theres no issue there but were talking about the vid with audio ; )

>>20775733
yeah but they already know japanese so they are just analzying how it works at that point. their parents are teaching their 2 year old kids verb conjugation tables and parts of speech so that they can understand their input better neither are they giving them english explanations so that they can read better like that other guy wants to believe is helpful

I don't understand something and I hope you can explain it to me.
What do you mean textbooks are useless?
I hate studying off genki but some of you guys suggest starting to read after you learn very little Japanese. I tried reading よつばと！and it's just impossible since I don't understand many verbs, the way they're conjugated and other words/kanjis.
Sure, よつばと！has furigana but how will I remember that kanji and all those words without going on jisho every 2 sentences and possibly write down the kanjis I encounter too.
Input... Output... It just makes me dizzy. I'm almost done with Genki 1 and I realize I can only understand the Japanese I read from Genki and very few simple phrases while watching anime.
I feel like I'll drop Genki for a few days and just read Tae Kim and よつばと！ until my head explodes. Should I?

>>20775746
just read graded readers from the library, i did that and conjugations are no problem any more

>>20775746
yotubato has a lot of colloquial speech in it that wont be decipherable with a grammar guide. try reading higashino keigo novels if you want straightforward language that you can immediately decipher with grammar guides.. xcept ther will be no furigana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO5ggc5KRl4

>>20775746
10000 hours of anime subbed in ur native language imo :D

>>20775746
idk man it's just people trying to signal how enlightened they are by saying stupid shit like "reading an explanation will not slightly improve your understanding of a sentence", aka:
>>20775745
even when you know from experience it absolutely does. in fact their arguments can be used against the use of a j-e dictionary.
>犬 doesn't really mean "dog", there are edge cases where it could refer to a canine that westerners wouldn't typically refer to as dogs. so you're not helping yourself by looking up 犬 and thinking of it as dog. it's better to just see 犬 a billion times.
it's just so fucking dumb. don't take them seriously.

>>20775730
if you can't output, it means your comprehension is incomplete
people hear "output doesn't matter" and assume this means they can still be considered good even if they can't speak or write for shit, but that's not the case, it strictly means you don't necessarily *need* to output to get to a good level with the langauge
once you actually do get to a good level with the language, whether you made a significant amount of output doing it or not, you absolutely will be able to apply your language ability, you aren't going to be soseki but you definitely will be able to tell when the て form is correct for what you want to say as opposed to the 連用形, and this is because you have an intuitive comprehension that goes beyond what you can find in a grammar book of what these two forms mean and how they differ

>>20775759
any proof this gay knows japanese yet i think of him as the lesser matt who cant even proclaim that hes gonna be teh tuyoiest gaijin of all time

>>20775771
>it means your comprehension is incomplete
yep. but no one is talking about mastering comprehension. they're talking about quick and easy ways to BETTER comprehend what they're reading.

>>20775771
haha the funny thing is most of these esls can still write something that is mostly correct albeit grating af so why cant these guys who supposedly spend so much time with japanese literally do anything yet

solve this and were 1 step closer to ending these threads forever

>>20775778
i seriously doubt your interpretation of a random sentence now is going to be any more valuable now than right before you read that dojg entry

if you can't write this kanji instantly after reading the prompt without using a mnemonic then you need to read 10,000 pages of novels before you even start to consider "learning" ''kanji''

>>20775772
he has a jap gf, so he's better than the original matt

>>20775784
my interpretation of any sentence period was impossible before reading about them in grammar guides. really dumb argument.

all those fags already learned Jap and they all used sentence cards and we as DJT are not mining sentences but words and nobody here can speak Japanese
i'm pissed off DJT, maybe we should fucking rethink this method if it doesn't yield any results

>>20775787
idk if i agree if that other guy whos gf wont let him talk in nihongo is any indication

>>20775791
you missed the point
guesswork based on secondhand information is equally as valuable as just looking at the sentence and going "dfuhh i dont know what this means"

>>20775800
everyone I know who knows japanese learned it by reading porn after graduating from djt
no, i'm not joking

im an djt alumnus

basically the english explanations for japanese sentence patterns should only be used as a launching pad so you dont have to stare at わたしはゲイです for 30 minutes wondering what it meants. you don't need anything past elementary sentence patterns basically tae kim basic and essential. do NOT srs grammar translations that will ruin your brain for a long time. use it to get in and forget it as soon as you can. most japanese "sentence patterns" are so intuitive due to building off stuff you already know or the kanji makes it so obvious that you dont need anything but the basics to build off of

>>20775812
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU1lGeWy3ig

>>20775815
im pretty sure no one wonders what that means i think ive done a pretty good job at getting everyone to at least that point