/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>20701280
i love you! <3

Bomb rocks keep killing me from out of nowhere. If I had time to react I could just use my rod of teleport, but I don't even get the chance. Is there some strategy to not getting randomly blown up?

>>20701280
>only 160 posts when previous thread got nuked
dead game? dead game.

>>20701280
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kuso op

>>20701497
fire resistance

>>20701628
Already have that.

>>20701743
Stack constitution and increase your speed. Alternatively get a fast moving melee pet to act as a minesweeper.

>>20701628
Actually, as near as I can tell, Suicide Attack does unresistable non-elemental damage. (Not to be confused with Close Suicide, which is used by your undead when you use Necro Force to make them self-destruct. Close Suicide does magic-element damage.)
...At least, I THINK I'm reading the calcskill function correctly. Some of these entries look like typos.
>bonus = ele == SKILL_NONE
There are a lot of "ele = SKILL_NONE" lines. ...Although as near as I can tell, they're completely redundant, since that's the default value and the function returns immediately afterward.
>bonus = ep == 0
I don't think an "ep" variable is declared anywhere.

>>20701980
I checked, and that particular "x = y == z" bit goes all the way back to the oldest versions of Custom, although it was originally "var_90 = var_86 == 0".

Are slimes in Elona the most annoying slimes? I literally haven't encountered slimes as annoying as them in other games

I wish I understood the code well enough to make spell writer books the same as regular books. It annoys me that they don't stack.

Is 4channel's /jp/ too fast for Elona threads?

Is there a "Japanese" race in Elona's lore? Trying to edit my custom race name but don't know what to use. My character is a samurai archetype

>>20702457
I think they're just different colors. if you dip both in the same dye they'll stack.

>>20703666
They're ALL Japanese.
If you want to be from the Mysterious East, you could go with Karune.

>>20701497
They're mostly just an HP check, unfortunately. If you're in OO or OOMSEST, pick up guts and then they'll take your extra life instead of killing you. In E+, learn barrier and then they'll shatter your barrier instead of killing you.

>>20703666
No, the races in game don't correspond to any real world races or cultures. Although you may be interested in knowing that your race name is stored in plain text in your save file. You can easily open it in notepad at any time and type something different if you change your mind.

Speaking of changing races, if you use the mask to change your race in E+, can you switch your racial feat like you can switch class feats with a business card?

>>20701497
I think you can interrupt suicide attacks with any source of wet status. Wet enemies can't explode themselves.

>>20704075
Unfortunately the mask is cosmetic only, your racial feats are permanent.

>>20703820
I tested this in wizard mode. Wished up a spellbook, read it, got a second copy from the spell writer, warped to Larna, bought a stack of "No. 0" dye from the dye vendor, mixed it with both books, and they still don't stack.

I started a new thief (E+CG) with the Strings Assassin feat and it seems really useful

Does it become shit later or is it that good?

>>20706049
Special action damage doesn't scale well, as a rule. Powerful early in the game, falls behind later on. Lean on it while you're establishing yourself, but plan on dropping it eventually.
Strings Assassin was a good choice, I'd say. Thief comes with the Tactics skill it needs, and Dancing Wire can be useful.

>>20706141
Having a dropped feat won't hurt me later in the game? Though Dancing Wire sounds good enough to keep going with it

>>20703666
Use something like yamato and pretend there's an uncharted island with japanese-ish culture.
Or roleplay as an isekai protagonist from feudal japan.

>>20706173
I meant "drop it" as in "stop relying on it".

>>20706173
>>20706224
In ElonaPlus, very few feats are really useful, and you can get all of them eventually. Early levels are hard so your first few feats are important for your survival, but after that you will only be using utility stuff like Dancing Wire.
Another issue is that using special actions as your main source of damage will give you mediocre attribute/skill training compared to normal attacks (the ones with good damage scaling). Save your assassin strings for annoying and hard enemies, use normal attacks for anything else.

>>20706336
This made me wonder if a warrior could find string assassin helpful just because of dancing wire

>>20706336
Honest question, how many places in the code effect the scaling of skills/what would it take to make it so skills added experience to stats?
I was wondering if the reason none of the code tweaks ever messed with stuff like that (since most people complain there are all these special acts that wind up being useless) was to avoid making the game too easy, or if it was just because the amount of time needed to crawl through the HSP wasn't worth the effort.

>>20706523
That stuff's actually semi-straightforward. Damage is inflicted with a call to "dmghp", and exp is added with a call to "skillexp".
For example, Blade Strings' damage is:
>dmghp tc, (sdata(SKILL_ATTR_DEX, cc) / 5 + 4) * ((sdata(SKILL_NORMAL_TACTICS, cc) + 1) / 5 + 3) * 2 + rnd(sdata(SKILL_NORMAL_TACTICS, cc) * 2 + 5) + 1, cc, SKILL_RESDMG_CRUSH, 1000
And the exp gain is:
>skillexp SKILL_NORMAL_TACTICS, cc, 40

>>20706431
Both Shadow Step (level 30 Stealth skill) and Dancing Wire (assassin feat and level 40 Tactics skill) are very useful for melee classes/builds, even though you don't expect a typical "ME STRONK ME SMASH" archetype to rely on backstabbing tricks (classes and archetypes in general don't mean anything in ElonaPlus. Maybe things are different in other Elona variants like the Omake family, but everyone's archetype in Plus is "murder hobo").
Shadow Step will teleport you to the target of choice and immediately attack it, while Dancing Wire will pull the target to you and apply a minor Bind debuff (target can't move, unless the target is way faster than you so the debuff will end before you even get a chance to attack). As a melee character, you really just have your single-target, melee-range attack and a few situational special actions, so any method that can immediately put your target in melee range is extremely useful.

>>20706523
I don't know much about the code, but I guess the issue is that, while a normal attack usually is based on one attribute and two or three skills (for example, a claymore-wielding character typically will use Strength, Tactics, Two Hand and Long Sword), a typical special action will just one skill and/or one attribute (Blade Strings uses Tactics and Dexterity).
Stuff like Tactics, Two Hand and Long Sword are all related to your STR attribute, so training them will also train your STR. Even if Blade Strings had a decent damage scaling, you would be neglecting two important skills for your weapon of choice and two sources of STR training.

I just spent an hour running around North Tyris to realize that claws was a Plus addition and vanilla didn't have them

>>20708254
Martial arts aren't viable in vanilla.

I'm playing OO

>>20708398
meant to quote >>20708319

I'm playing E+ post act 3. I think I'm going to give up on herbing food. training in sister's mansion in snowy weather with the dumbell of opatos basically gives me infinite stat growth on demand, much faster than relying on herbed food.

>>20701280
Is that a bronze mace?

>devour a human corpse
>everything is fine aside from you going insane for a few turns
>eat a fucking cat
>lose 5 karma
Really?

>>20710837
HOW CAN YOU EAT A CAT!!

>>20710837
It's kind of a joke, Noa loves cats, I think his name is actually his cat's name

>>20710837
How dare you

Is the whip ranged attack considered a special action or a normal attack?

>>20711636
Whips have the "remote blow" effect, which is not exclusive to them (it can be added by artifact fusion, for example).
Remote blow grants the "Distant Attack" special action. (Not to be confused with "Distant Attack7", which is innate to some monsters, e.g. mushrooms.)
Distant Attack performs a normal melee attack on an enemy up to 4 squares away, albeit with a range penalty to damage.

>>20709265
Does that train Speed? Because herbed food trains Speed.

>>20701280
alright what does dist do?

>>20716526
Its your distance attack for when you press fire

>>20716526
When you make a melee attack, it picks a number between 1 and 15 and multiplies it by two for your damage. It has 76% accuracy. When you make a ranged attack, the game picks a number between 1 and 12, adds 1, and multiplies by 1.4. It has 57% accuracy. Your defense subtracts 17% + 1 to 7 damage from incoming attacks and your evade chance is 35%.

>messing around with the custom features of Omake
>taking a look at the custom god wiki to see how to balance stuff properly (or possibly break it even harder)
>loads and loads of goddesses and silly things like a NEET god
I want to worship all these cute goddesses.
I also like that all files so far are available in .txt format, it's a lot easier to understand how they work this way.

What are the main differences between elona+ and Omake?

I played both (with more time given to elona+ since that's what I started with), but omake seems more cleaner and less hectic than elona+

However, just from looking at the files for omake I can see there is less content (at least for monsters) compared to elona+

Other than that, what are the other differences between the two variants?

>>20719183
different quality of life improvements and customization systems
omake adds more to do in the first continent, plus adds a few more continents
plus' source code is available, omake's isn't

>>20719183
Plus is more focused on its own new content (new continents like South Tyris, new enemies like angry gods and demon ladies, lots of new girls to capture/astral pen then have sex with), while Omake family (Overhaul, Modify, Void Edition, South Tyris Edition, and some other stuff like Baby and MMA) is more focused on improving vanilla content and adding new features to it (new dungeon types like putit dungeons, new events like your rapier-wielding rival, new feats like counters, and more ways to get surrounded by younger sisters). Omake's custom features are a lot nicer too, you can even create your own goddess.
The main thing people here will often talk about is the leveling progression. Plus is fast-paced so you can go straight to the new content and punch gods and shit (and then go back to the Void), meanwhile Omake follows the old vanilla progression. Other than that, they are completely different experiences, it's easier to just read some random parts of the Omake Overhaul's changelog to get an basic idea of how different it is.
https://gist.github.com/Tsunder/ba86848a8af313991d807f35a61052ea

>>20719237

>>20719320
Thanks for the replies anons. Based on what I've read I'm leaning on switching over to omake to give it longer playthrough.

Cheers lads!

>>20719024
Is that with the normal Omake Overhaul, or some variant? Also, is that wiki posted anywhere in the pastebins? I need to make a Gyaru Goddess to be the patron to my prostitute hit-squad.

In OOMSEST my head maid is telling me an alien queen is living beneath my town. Anyone have an idea of how strong I should be before I try dealing with this?

>>20719183
Plus is far more combat-focused. There are several times more enemy types and the main quest content is several times longer. Your character grows relatively quickly. Potential is trivial to maintain. Living weapons, powerful and readily available powerful fixedarts, and eventually artifact fusion make it very easy to get a good set of equipment together. It's relatively fast and easy to learn skills and the game rewards learning all of them. Plus is much less balanced (martial arts and magic are overwhelmingly superior to the alternatives. All ranged weapons are wildly inferior to melee).

Omake Overhaul and its descendants are more focused on sandbox features and NPC interactions. There are more types of random encounters you can run into throughout the game's world. The NPC adventurers are stronger, carry better equipment, and have a larger presence, especially since they also show up in dungeons and can fight against or alongside you. Your character grows relatively slowly and eventually you'll probably hit a wall because of low potential. There are ways to work around it, but you do have to work for it. Learning new skills is far more time-consuming and you're better off not learning the ones you won't get much use from. There's a wider variety of possible character builds and the balance between them is better (magic and dual wield are probably top tier, but two hand isn't far behind. I don't know about bows but guns can hold their own against melee and might even be better than most melee weapons).

They're both good, both have features that I miss when I play the other one. I personally think OOMSEST is the overall best version.

>>20719474
If you're going to play Omake, go with OOMSEST.

>>20719606
Most of them will work with Overhaul. Some have MMA-exclusive dialogue lines but most of the time they also have a OO-based version in the same package (I believe that you can also "fix" it by deleting the new dialogue lines), but the ones with MSE/ST-exclusive features probably will either crash your game or just lose said features if you don't use them with the OOMSEST variant.
The custom god wiki is this one: https://wikiwiki.jp/elonacstm/
It's all in japanese, same for the dialogues in all custom gods' files, but the "core" content (miracles, blessed food effects, etc) is in english (just like talk.txt files).
Omake Overhaul's changelog (here >>20719320) have a section explaining how to create your own god, but it won't explain how to fully create the treasure, artifact, servant and avatar of your god (just the details related to this god building system). They all work just like normal custom items/NPCs, so you can use old "custom stuff" guides, or take a look at the omake family wiki (they also have links for ID tables).
The Omake Family wiki is this one: http://elona-omakefamily-wiki.com/
They also have a page explaining all the "EX Settings" features from all Omake variants (since the game itself won't explain them). Pretty useful stuff.

>>20719718
>>20719718
OO player here, how is the current translation of OOMSEST?
Is it perfectly playable? I heard the translation is in alpha so I was kinda afraid to hit a bunch of untranslated text after spending like 100 hours in it

>>20720189
Nevermind, just tried oomSEST and it crashed when I talked to the shopkeeper in Vernis.
To be expected though since the translation is still in alpha and its still in playtesting but I don't think it'll be for me. I'll just play OO for now.

>>20720592
That's that "a single line of dialogue is missing" crash, right? They still haven't fixed that?

>music packs
>all outdated

>>20720711
They still work.

>>20720592
Follow the suggestion posted by >>20684088, it should fix all broken dialogues.

>>20720711
I'm fairly sure that none of the recent Plus updates added new music, so you can just install them without issues.
I just wish I knew how to fix the volumes, some .mp3 files are so loud they simply kill the sound effects of the game.

>>20722446
>how to fix the volumes
https://www.audacityteam.org/

>>20722446
Huh. speaking about oo_talk.txt, The fully translated Omake Overhaul has a oo_talk.txt completely identical to the oomSEST one but with English translations.
Does that mean I can just copy OO's oo_talk.txt to oomSEST to make it work instead of doing that?

>>20720592
That's almost certainly because oo_talk.txt doesn't have a default english line set up. The current alpha is very stable aside from that.

>>20722852
I downloaded the most recent version of OOEN (normal and Hack), and there is no "oo_talk.txt" file in the folders (I can't find it, at least). OOEN's base "talk.txt" is almost identical to vanilla file, the only differences are a few typos that OOEN fixed.
I found this "oo_talk.txt" file in older versions of OOEN, but the dialogue lines aren't actually translated. The english lines are just placeholder text on the default list ("%O_DEFAULT,EN"), just like the one suggested by >>20684088. It's basically an "anti-crash" fix: If the game can't find english-translated lines of the new profession/personality-specific dialogues, it will just use the default ones to avoid a crash.
However, apparently the Omake Overhaul's new gods (Inari and Danalin) aren't fully translated in the OOMSEST's translation patch, but using the translated files available in OOEN should fix this issue.

>>20723397
I took a screenshot of this since it had the most English text which, I'm sure isn't near identical to the vanilla file, considering it talks about justice and evil living weapons, god-blessed food, and Inari.

>>20723517
Another screenshot.

>>20723517
>>20723529
Yeah, these are the translated lines. I guess I'm just too stupid to find/download this translated file (I only have the one with joke placeholders like "I am error").
The "oo_talk.txt" of both OO and OOMSEST are identical, so you can use this translated file on OOMSEST too.

what does she say

So i'm using Elona Omake Overhaul and the ENHack, but the character creation screen is still stuck in japanese.
Help?

>>20724314
You should use Custom-G, it translates all the placeholder text.

>>20724333
Open the "config.txt" file in your Elona folder and set the "language." to "1".

Do you guys listen to music while playing Elona or did you make your own custom soundtrack? I'm a bit too lazy to rename everything.

>>20724333
That file name

>>20725417
I used a mix of /jp/, Ghibli and chiptune packs last time.

>>20725417
I turn off the ingame music and just play this in the background.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSGyEsJ17cI

>>20726401
You know how to be comfy. Smooth jazz is especially great when you're at home during etherwind or when it's raining.

What do you guys think of savescumming?

Okay or not okay?

>>20728177
People can do whatever the fuck they want, it doesn't impact my game or how I play.

>>20725417
I personally used the etrian music pack for top tier comfiness

>>20728177
It's a single player game, people can just play purge mode if they want to

>>20728793
>etrian music pack
Well shit, I know what I'm looking for now.

>>20728177
Savescumming in Elona is only useful for protecting your gold from occasional deaths. Anything else (like item hunting on party quests) is either inefficient or possibly pointless (because the NPC's inventory are generated on map creation/NPC spawn, and not on kill) since "failed" attempts still gives you EXP and possibly other benefits.
Other than that, it's your game. Play it in the way you consider enjoyable, be it savescumming or turning all NPCs into younger sisters.

I got the kaneda bike and realised Lulwy's special action actually lowers my speed, yay

>>20729392
Try casting Hero too; that'll boost your bike's STR so it can carry you better.

Is there a 'canon' to Elona? I know that Bethel and his crew do whatever while your player does the important work of raising putits on a ranch and sitting training for three years before jumping into dungeons, but is there a canon protag?

>>20729518

>>20729556
Please don't tell me that is supposed to be Lomias.

>>20729518
It isn't because your character isn't out there saving the world that they aren't the protag. He's the protagonist of the story about Lesimas and its treasure.

>>20729518
Nah, Larnneire and Bethel are the 'heroes' of the story, doing all the plot shit while the PC is just a nobody, important only for their actions, rather than who they are.


That said, judging by Noa's taste, he's probably a fairly generic Isekai style MC.

>>20724333
Go into the options and change the language.

>>20728177
Never savescum.

>>20729392
There's a maximum speed you can reach with your riding skill and if you go above it you'll lose speed. Training your riding skill and raising your ride's strength will increase that limit. Converting your pet's equipment to titanium or gold (for +3 str each) will help a lot.

>>20729620
>That said, judging by Noa's taste, he's probably a fairly generic Isekai style MC.
What makes you say that? Judging by his game I'd say Noa's tastes are pretty off-beat, and the player's failure to meaningfully affect the plot's outcome isn't indicative of a generic isekai protagonist at all. If it were Ano then yeah I could see that.

>>20729651
Well, his new game MC is outright an amnesiac guy who's basically a rune factory MC.

>>20729651
Nah, the new trend of Isekai MC's is to completely overpowered but remain mostly in the background, so that whenever they show up and oneshot the villains the heroic characters far more suited to being heroes can go 'BAKANA'.

Why do people hate Ano's lore? Is it because you're just a mere adventurer in Noa's lore and you're the hero in Ano's lore?

>>20729853
I don't hate either. Even in Ano's you're still mostly doing shit in the background.

>>20729853
People just hate Ano in general. He's kinda unlikable. I remember in a previous thread, someone posted about using little balls in the pot for fusion to get unlimited dead fish/broken vases, and within a few days there was a new version of Plus that nerfed the recipe. Thankfully Custom-G unnerfed it.

>>20729917
"People hating Ano" is blown out of proportion.

So let me get this straight:

Elona: The original game. Somewhat dated now due to lack of development.
Elona+: An expansion/fanfic of the original game that adds lots of stuff. Some people think too much stuff.
Elona Omake: A remake of the original. Adds a lot of stuff, but not nearly as much as +. Also the most modular, allowing you to add things like other mods to it.


Is that about right?

>>20729853
I don't really like Elona's storytelling in general. The story have some interesting ideas but it isn't that great, and the way we learn more about it is just annoying. And for some reason Ano decided to make it even more annoying.

I can "forgive" vanilla's story since it is somewhat short and only exists as the game's final score screen (never blocking you from accessing the rest of the game).
I liked the idea of a main storyline that have little to do with YOUR story, and the theme is interesting, but I didn't really care much about characters vomiting their sad backstories between dungeon floors, and the epilogue is just a pointless sequel bait and I hate this kind of thing.
But Plus' story is just an annoying gatekeeper. Most of the new features in Plus are found in the new regions, and said regions are locked behind the tiresome story.
The story isn't that interesting, "inverting" the roles didn't help much either. In Act 2 the old protagonists are wasting most of their time fucking around and trying to figure out how to find the ancient evil that you not only defeated already but is also having passionate sex with on a daily basis. I stopped caring about the main story after that.

Honestly I had more fun reading books about ingame excuses for some of the weird aspects of Elona's gameplay (like the quest giver "etiquette" book). This game should have more books and less cutscenes, the North Tyris is more interesting than the adventures of a hobo hunter, an elea-loving junkie and a suicidal pacifist.

>>20730278
I've never heard anything about Omake being "modular". I know Omake Overhaul has some kind of limited "custom god" thing, but that's all I know offhand.

>>20730391
>after an epic quest to discover the source of the Messera, Bethel and company finally arive at your mansion to find you balls deep in the physical embodiment of a sentient plague
,with the entire pantheon of the world trapped in your pens as servants

The Elona protag is terrifying from an outside perspective.

>Started as a Yerles Warmage
>Just now found out that the race is pretty terrible at magic due to low mana

Huh. Seems pretty good to me though.

>>20730278
Plus adds more "static" content, Omake (and its variants) adds more "randomized" content. Both improves quality of life in different ways.
Apparently the "South Tyris" variant of Omake also adds new static content, but I don't know much about it.

>>20730400
Omake Overhaul introduces the custom god system, and improves some of the features of the vanilla's custom item/NPC systems.
I guess "most modular" is a bit too much, but it definitely have more custom features.

>>20730413
Weird how they never brought up the fact that ive fought all of the pantheon simultaneously, Nuked every city and reached retarded levels of fame, But the fucking "protagonists" if you will are still thinking "Oh hes the guy we rescued".

>Ive killed
>Your god
>Fuck off

>>20731115
To be fair, there's no way for the game to actually represent the level of retarded power you reach without every single NPC in existence dropping to their knees to worship the physical god who's slaughtered and/or enslaved the actual pantheon.

>>20731144
Fair enough, But Id still rather not be confused between the sparkling queer every so often.

So I just downloaded this game, and got to the first town. I took a bunch of quests to get stuff from people, and for a lot of them, the people in question just took any old shit. Then some lady refused to give me a rotten crab, even in exchange for literal ruby ore. I was worried about the quest failing, so I murdered her and took it from her corpse. Did I fuck up? I feel like I'm not doing it right.

>>20731460
No, that's pretty much what the game epects of you.

>>20731460
>man kills woman for rotten crab

Welcome to Elona.

>>20731460
As expected of a cannibal hobo rescued by the elean scum. Please eat a nuclear dead lion immediately.

>>20731540
>>20731494
>>20731472
Oh, but I buried an adventurer beforehand, so my Karma is still positive. That means I still count as 'Good' right?

>>20731547
In the most technical sense.

>>20731115
You do realize that the protagonists are certified retards right? Their mental deficiency is part of the reason why there's an Etherwind problem in the first place.

>>20729518
There is no protagonist. The perspective characters are basically glorified messengers trying to broker a peace treaty because if push comes to shove, they're going to get racially exterminated.

They fail on every account. In Plus their failure is made more hilarious by the fact that nothing they did would have mattered to begin with. The closest person to being a hero in Plus is either the State Secretary, or the Mad Scientist, or the Old Man who decides to sacrifices his entire life's worth of memories in order to stop the Void Abomination.

So, uh, a guy just exploded in front of me in the first town, and he's dropped some incredible items. Is this normal? According to the statue he dropped, he's called Loyter or something?

>>20732009
Was there a "whoops, an assassin just killed someone" popup right before that? Because that's normal. Well, aside from the target being right next to you and loaded with shinies; that's just plain lucky.

So I’ve barely played this game, and I’ve been reading this thread and have to ask, is there a preference between plus or omake, or are they just too different to determine the better version?

Is there a way to get a Gokiburi if I've already finished the maid mansion quest? I read on the wiki that its meat gives resistances, and the breed power is pretty great...

>>20732872
They have their own strengths and weaknesses. but most people in this thread usually play Plus since it was translated first and it had been the go-to variant of the English community until Omake Overhaul was translated. Plus definitely has more content, with 2 more story acts after the first one, but how good they are is a hit or miss depending on the player. It also has an easier early game which may be favorable to beginners. Omake is more of a sandbox, and focuses more on roleplaying, and custom content. Though it only has one story act, and has a slower early game.

Plus is also more popular in the English community while the Omake variants are more popular in the Japanese community.

Someone made a comparison between Plus and Omake Overhaul, though it is a bit biased towards Omake, you can more or less see what each variants have to offer.
https://gist.github.com/Excaerious/c4e376c0ffecfbd6376c6512fb0b0a33#file-elona-plus-vs-elona-omake-overhaul-md

>>20703666
>>20704056
Most "Japanese" type NPCs (like the dojo owner) are Norlands.

>>20733062
alright, thanks mate, I'll probably just stick with Plus then.

>>20731460
Do note that the quest giver in question might also
try to murder you a few turns after you hand over that rotten crab.

Does anyone have the sprite sheet that update's Omake's spritesheet to the E+ standard? It's painful to look at.

>>20733866
Plus' spritesheet is just the vanilla one with more stuff on the bottom half. Just take a quick look at both of them, erase the bottom half of your Plus-based sheet and slap the top half on Omake's character.bmp file if your image editor of choice.
Alternatively, you can use the user folder and drop individual sprite files on it, but you need to rename them properly (pic related, 661 is the ID of the first "custom sprite" slot).
Custom NPCs have their own sprites inside their files, so you can't edit them by messing with the character.bmp file.

>>20734132
Plus isn't vanilla with more stuff. All the old sprites were remade.

>>20734540
The vanilla IDs are pretty much the same, that is the whole point of copying the vanilla part of Plus' sheet and deleting the Plus-exclusive NPCs.
Or you can just download the 1.22 port of Beautify pack, it isn't the sheet you want but it still looks nicer than vanilla's graphics.

How do i reach etherwind area after finishing act 3?

Looking at my old dropbox files, found my Elona+C 1.74 saves. Found my gem of a bones.txt as well. Last modified date was.. almost exactly a year ago, Jan. 2018. Is this game worth going back to? I think the last thing I remembered of my playtime was being overwhelmed by all the shit I had to keep up with daily and how far behind the power curve my pets were. And the general feeling of only understanding maybe 10% of what was going on in the game, despite passing Act 1

>>20734788
You don't have to keep up daily things that are a chore. Have less pets and farms.

>>20734711
Please respond,where is the new town that was added in 1.85 i think

>>20736489
Oh, you want to go to Gaius Vis? You need to talk to Loyter in Vernis, since he's the one with the strongest connection to that world.

>>20736499
Worked like a charm,thats the least likely NPC i expected to talk to to use the item

thanks anon

hey I'm new and here's two questions that weren't in the "i'm new" FAQ:
should I use e+c
should I use e+cg

>>20737641
Custom is the translation of ElonaPlus, and also includes some extra features.
Custom-G includes the features of Custom and removes some questionable features and limitations of Elona Plus (like watersports mechanics).

>>20730278
>>20732872
Plus adds several times more enemies and story content and generally makes things easier. New features include pet evolution (think pokemon) and the ability to add new properties to artifact equipment. The emphasis is on combat and rapid character growth.

Omake Overhaul and its descendants don't add nearly as much content as Plus, but instead focus on improving the original game's content. New features include spellmaking (think Morrowind), building your own town, and player blacksmithing. The emphasis is on customization, character building, and NPC interactions.

>>20730431
Yerles is above average at everything. The -10 to mana is almost meaningless.

>>20732009
>So, uh, a guy just exploded in front of me in the first town, and he's dropped some incredible items. Is this normal? According to the statue he dropped, he's called Loyter or something?
NPCs can randomly get killed by various things. Loyter is pretty high level so that's really lucky for you.

>>20737641
E+CG is definitely the most recommendable version for a new player. This is coming from someone who prefers oomsest.

Wait, what?! They added thirst in Plus? Is that why everyone is playing all these new variants now?

>>20738109
They added thirst for the express purpose of supporting, well, piss mechanics.
It's not the only reason that people play e.g. Custom-G (other misc gameplay changes people have issues with) but it definitely got people up off their asses to change stuff.

that new autofarming system is hella cash. Is it part of Plus, Custom, or Custom-G? I don't even know.

In North Tyris born and raised, Puppy Cave's where I spent most of my days

>>20738306
I forgot that that was even a thing. Guess I should get a house board for my farm...
To answer your question, it's part of Custom, added in 1.82.2.

I accidentally gave my pet a small medal and he won't give it back
Anyway I can retrieve this or is it forever stuck in his inventory?

Jesus christ, I feel so stupid. I spent the last 5 hours finding orc warriors so that I could finally get into the Fighter's guild to learn Weight Lifting, and I just found out that the trainer in Yowyn teaches it

If I evolve a pet then stick it in a ranch, will the animals that come out use the old sprite or the new one?

>>20739456
I think you can get small medals back in some of the later omake variants but not anything else.

I'll just leave this here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkb9sj-KxkU

>>20739605
You can easily learn guild skills by just teleporting the guard away and using a disguise kit inside. Teleport the guild master away if he finds you while you sprint to the trainer.

>Buffed the attribute experience from the various forms of tobacco so that they give 1.5 as much as rare herbs like morgia.
>At +15 enhance, they will train 3 times as much as the herbs.
Holy damn. Now it's tempting to smoke.

>Removed sleepiness reduction from coffee and tobacco products.
>Made them prevent the player character from taking a nap on the world map a certain number of times instead (15 to 25 for coffee, 3 to 5 for tobacco).
YES

>have to use consumable items to not autonap
Lame. I'll stick with Custom-G's nap disable tweak.
>encounter cancellers actually work again
I wonder if Ano remembered to also fix handfuls of snow?

I haven't played in like, 5 years. I only know Elona+. The fuck is Custom, Custom-G, and Omake? Do I need all of them to play or are they all different forks? Which one has more content? Which is more fun?

Also mods. Checked the pastebin and all of them are from earlier versions. Do they still work or no?

>>20741008
>Custom
Elona+ with removed cutscenes restored, more dialogue translated, a custom AI system for pets, and a few other conveniences.
>Custom-G
Custom with all untranslated dialogue machine translated, various changes reverted (the hydration system and some of the more egregious nerfs), and a few additional conveniences.
>Omake
A different fork from Elona+. A subvariant, Omake Overhaul, was translated a while back (and it got its own equivalent of Custom, OOENhack). Another subvariant, OOMSEST (Omake Overhaul Modify Sukutu Edition South Tyris), is currently being translated.
>Do I need all of them to play or are they all different forks?
Custom goes on top of Plus, Custom-G goes on top of Custom. The Omake line generally goes on top of vanilla Elona, but you'll need to follow an installation guide to prevent random crashing.

>>20741080
Thanks.
I guess I'll play custom-g then.

How about mods?
I remember using the little sister UI. Does it still work?

>>20741008
This has been asked and answered a million times already.

>>20719320
>>20719718
>>20730455
>>20733062
>>20738028

>>20741102
No idea. You'd have to check the files yourself to see if any updates are necessary.

Just got in to this game and I'm really enjoying it, but is it just me being bad, or are Wizard based classes really bad early? Also, is there a general rule to spending level skill points?

>>20741125
Playing Custom-G for reference

>>20741125
I don't think there's much point playing a caster to start unless you really want the roleplaying challenge. There's too much set up and maintenance needed; you can easily pivot into casting from anything else once you have a decent amount of resources.

>>20741125
>>20741130
The very beginning is a little rough since you have no spell stock. It's smooth sailing once you join the mage's guild though. As far as skill points go, you'll get more out of each point if you train your skill's potential at a trainer before you use your skill points. Whether you use skill points for getting your main skill even higher or for getting secondary skills to a usable point is up to you. There's no hard level cap and later on you'll be gaining a level every few minutes, so don't worry too much about wasting them.

By the way, generally the recommendable caster class in E+ is warmage for its +5% to casting success rate. You can change classes later though.

>>20741125
Farm the puppy cave for low level spellbooks. Join the mage's guild asap. Pick up the strings assassin feat and that will carry you past all early game combat.

Is there any reason to use the translation patch for Omake if I want to play it in Japanese?

>>20741250
Omake Overhaul EN hack adds some new features that aren't in Omake Overhaul. Most of those features are in oomsest, along with lots of others though, and the english version of oomsest doesn't add any new features.

I have taken multiple characters past act 3 and into inner-godslayers, so I know what I'm talking about.

I want to write a newbies guide, but, well, too lazy. Instead I'll just do dot points.


- I will be talking mostly about Elona+ / Custom/G.

- Elona has a reverse difficulty curve. What you do later on really doesn't matter, since you'll be drowning in options. The hard part is what to do at the start, when everything can kill you. Think about it this way: you want to be powerful at the start, because then you'll power through the content faster and get the grindan loop set up faster, so you'll be more powerful all the way through.

- surprisingly, the best class to play is a Golem Gunner with riding.

- the most front-loaded and newbie friendly way of doing damage is Firearms. It will last you all the way through act three if you want, and later on you can gently segue into magic or martial arts, or even stay with Firearms. Make sure to get ammo with Burst. the other special ammos are pretty good too - experiment.

- similarly, Riding > not-riding all the way until you have 2000 speed. This is because it is much easier to trade up to faster pets than train your own speed. Riding also synergizes with Firearms.

- why Golem? The speed won't matter if you're riding. You'll love the large health pool. The mana penalty is actually a bonus to noobs because you'll get killed by mana reaction less often.

- Pets are optional except for the mount. Early on they help, later on they're actually kinda more trouble than they're worth since you'll have to worry about their gear and constantly have to toggle them in/out of defensive mode. Plus if you're diligent about swapping out your mount, your speed will outclass them pretty bad.

>>20741403
I want to play as a farmer though and raise crops and monsters for cooking.

>>20741403
what to do when you're a level 1 adventurer?

- don't do the nuke thing. it is dishonorable and getting a nuke and hauling it over is kinda PITA, and it doesn't even kill the elves properly nowadays. the reward is kinda disappointing desu.

- instead, do the tutorial, pick up some of the lightweight trash laying around the cave, then just hoof it over to Vernis, and do some quests. You can do the robber hideout, but do NOT do the slime cave -- wait until you're level 10. Priority one is to get rid of the 40 speed. Priority two is to get some gear for every slot. After that you'll want to grind up enough platinum to get every single skill, then make some gold.

- the biggest cause of death at the start is trying to do dungeons/quests above your level. don't do this, the reward is shit and when you come back later they'll be a cakewalk. specifically, do NOT do the slime cave (slimes are evil), and do NOT do the puppy cave (drop stuff here and it's gone) until you're level 15. If you want low-challenge dungeons, do Lesimas level 1~5, or find random nefia of challenge rating below 5. DESU it's mostly not even worth the loot at the start, quests are more profitable until you're breezing through level 50~100 nefias.

- how to make gold? buy a shop. buy a ranch. breed animals for eggs, cook them (you'll want to level cooking up to 200), and sell them in your shop. Best animal for this is chicken at the start, since they lay a shit ton of eggs

Does anyone know why there's a green border around my character? I used this site http://www.geocities.jp/kurororo4/looseleaf/ and resized the image to 128x192. I never had this problem before, but I last played years ago.

>>20741445
best animals for eggs:

act 1: tentacle worms. act 2 and beyond: heqet, reduced to level 10 via memory palace. the point is heavier eggs sell more. chicken eggs are worthless, but you'll get a lot of them - handy for eating or training Cooking.

Brushing the animals and giving them animal feed will upgrade the sell price of eggs for the same weight. It's like the +'s on meat, except it's hidden. You'll need to cook them, of course, since cooked food gives a max of 8.1x to sell price and can give multiple meals per egg. you'll also need high Negotiation for the shopkeeps or they'll sell the eggs underpriced.

how to get better gear? buy it from vendors. dungeon drops are just not as efficient desu. Invest in vendors when you have gold, for better drops. Blackmarkets have all your late-game gear when you invest it to 1000. Magic shops have all the late-game potions/scrolls you'll want -- invest them to 400. The rest is optional.

- don't worry about potential until you get to the point where you can deal with it by using big stacks of blessed potions of potential. Early on it's OK to let it drop to Hopeless. For pets you can give them gold / gems and they'll go train it up... or you could just ignore that too.

- you'll want to set up Farms at some point, to plant Herb and Unknown seeds. Don't bother with the other seeds, except maybe Magic to get Wish rods in November ~ Jan (VERY rare). Best time to do this is AFTER you get the Kumiromi statue and clone it a few times with the Little Sisters quest. Go for ~10 statues.

- in terms of gods: eventually you'll want to worship every one of them, for the sweet gifts. at the start, good ones are Opatos (weightlifting, strength/survivability buffs), Kumiromi (fast stamina regen), Jure (best pet) and Yacatect (for platinum). Note you need 10 Faith for every god pet, even if you stick them in the dojo. In November you can summon your god to the Truth Ground with high favor -- definitely do this. catch them all.

>>20741423
you can totally do this as a golem gunner. just pick up the right skills and off you go. farmers + horses + shotguns is thematic af.

>>20741526
Looks like an issue with the background color. Try to get the image again, and use an image editor to confirm if every part of the background have the exact same color.
Also, I belive that you don't need to resize your picture (that probably is the source of this problem). Elona have an internal resize feature for LooseLeaf/Mack-styled sprites.

>>20741567
When I didn't resize it it ended up like this. It's the same whether I set the PCC size to full or reduced in the graphics settings. In looseleaf I also tried picking the other solid color and it still shows that border around the character. I am really retarded and don't know what I'm doing wrong. I'm using +1.86 Custom G if it makes a difference.

>>20741603
Why did you resize it in the first place? Isn't that website already using 128x192?

>>20741652
I found out the problem, and I am indeed retarded. I forgot I had zoomed in 200% in my browser so I could the page see better. I took the screenshot without zooming out first which is why I had to resize.
I don't see why resizing it makes it bug out like that, since it was the same aspect ratio and all.

>>20741209
>>20741203
>>20741182
Okay cool, thanks for the tips. I am going for the RP challenge. I also didn't know about levels being easier to get later, so that's cool.
Back to the Puppy Cave with me.

>>20742402
You don't really have to grind a lot for books. Just magic dart is already much better than other forms of attack at the start.

How do you get more pots of potential / scrolls of wonder? Ive just got 3 rank 1000 magic shop vendors in my house and ive not seen a potential pot in about 8 days now. Did I cross some threshold?

>>20742727
You have bad luck. Invest in town shops if you're desperate.

>>20742727
Potential can be made via Alchemy.

>>20742748
Are you sure? Theyve just done it again.

how do i make money?

>>20742801
Just about anything can be a source of money. At the start of the game you should do easy quests at town.

>>20742820
I meant passively. Am I missing something or is quests and looting the only way to make money?

>>20742836
Shops, farms and ranches are good for long-term.

Found this lying around in the puppy cave at level 4. Is it normal to find this sort of thing just lying around, or did I get lucky? The wiki entry makes it sound kind of good.

>>20743071
That's pretty lucky, yeah. You planning on making use of the boosted Hand of Splendor? It's cool, gets a special animation and everything.

>>20743103
I didn't really understand all of that technical gauge release shit, and I don't know what hand of splendor even is. What exactly should I be doing to take advantage of these?

Do moongates work in Omake? Has anyone tried visiting them? What about the voting board?

>>20743143
It's Final Fantasy's Limit Break. When your gauge hits 100%, you can use the "<Gauge Release>" action, and then your next attack of any kind will be a super move. With the Blue Spirit equipped, a Touch attack (Touch of Sleep or Touch of Poison) will become a ranged attack that does even more damage.

>>20743184
Sounds good. I guess my priority right now should be getting blue spirit to +20.

>>20743071
E+ gives you a huge bonus to your chance to find precious items if you haven't loaded a save in a while, so it's not quite as unlikely as it might sound. The combat bonuses are really good early in the game and the magic resistance is really good for any stage of the game. I didn't know about the special gauge release until just now but that sounds good too.

To use gauge release, first you need to get your meter to 100%, then press a to bring up the special actions menu and select gauge release. Then the next attack you use will be a super move of some kind.

well okay

>>20743890
Hah, fag.

>>20743890
>transparent boots
they are indeed pretty gay.

>>20743673
Does this still apply to Custom-G?

>>20744481
Of course.

So, I'm pretty new, and for a quest, this guy wants someone else's sun crystal, but I've also just managed to find a different sun crystal. Can the same type of item be used for these quests, or do I have to get him the specific sun crystal he wants from that specific person?

>>20744835
You don't need to get that specific sun crystal, any sun crystal will work. The trading feature is just a way to get items without leaving the town and relying on RNG to find them.

>>20744915
Nice, thanks my dude

Can I use the astral light pen to get a shop pet of the same stats as my current pet, or will I have to raise it all over and I should just go steal another theif from the guild to save myself the pen?

Noob asking another question. Does it ever stop fucking raining? I'd like to travel small distances without getting confused every couple of steps

>>20745040
Shopkeepers are easy to train I don't really see the point of using an Astral pen for it.

>>20745079
RNG is RNG, but you have a few options to deal with it. Aurora Rings (rarely sold by Moyer in Noyel, the village in the snow area) will remove some of the negative effects of hard rains; Statue of Lulwy will change and randomly choose another weather when used; and all Inns in towns will offer a shelter to protect yourself from it while giving you some time wasters.

>>20745212
Well it finally stopped after an etherwind occurred. Guess that forced it to change the weather.

Also can I say fuck Hungry Demons.

>>20745225
Yeah, etherwinds takes priority over other weather. They will always happen in the first few days of a month that is a multiple of 3.
The only solution for etherwinds is a shelter. Some ether mutations can be useful but most of the time they will just fuck you over and eventually kill you.

>>20745040
I just use a low-level slavemaster pet, desu. this way the training cost is reasonable and gene engineering is easy. engineer extra arms on, and give it living weapons with all ranks in Negotiation.

>>20745225
>Hungry Demons
You playing a melee character? If you have trouble hitting them you should really just avoid them. Kill them at range, debuff them, or let a pet deal with them. If you're in a place where they're common and you aren't equipped to deal with them you ought to just leave that place altogether.

fucking vampkins forcing me to waste soma that takes 12 fucking hours to make fuck

Does anyone actually follow the story in Elona+? It put me to sleep since the very beginning, it's too dry.

>>20746183
Which beginning? Act 1 or 2?

I've never played this before, and I didn't find an installation guide. So this is how my folder/game ended up after I installed Elona, Elona+, Elona+Custom, and Elona+Custom G. Is this okay?

>>20746551
Sure

What's the status on Foobar?

Performaids are fuckin broken
In a level 1000 awaken dungeon, Run into a few performaids. I nuke them with a meteor, they survive. Unusual, But then I get slow casted on me. The eight of them spam torture me for about 6k health each attack in one turn, Where I promptly died from 150,000.
F

>>20747400
Are you sure it was good idea fighting 8 of them at the same time?

>>20747400
maybe you should take it easy on the level 1000 awakened dungeons. the loot doesn't even get better after lvl 500.

Newfag question, is this thing good? I had it randomly thrown at me during a party quest. Also, why can I equip two shields? How does that work? Wondering because I'm using firearms and not melee, not sure if it makes a difference.

>>20748438
>Newfag question, is this thing good?
It's not bad. 35 PV is good for where you're at, right? Although assuming it's your only damage nullification item, you'd only have about a 5% chance to ignore damage.
>Also, why can I equip two shields? How does that work?
You have two hands, and you hold one in each hand. Duh. (Elona+ isn't picky about what you wield, although throwing a melee weapon or bashing enemies with a ranged weapon won't do much damage.)

>>20748438
It is both good and rare. Use two shields if you want.

>>20748506
>>20748537
Thanks for the help. I didn't know if there was some penalty if you used two shields. Also it is silly imagining my character brandishing a rifle while having a knight's shield in one hand and a lute in the other.

>>20748565
There are penalties if you try using magic.

>>20748637
Same penalty as just one shield though, isn't it?

I drank a blessed potion of evolution and got nothing, does that mean I have all the good mutations?

>>20748659
Do you have all of these?

Your skin is as hard as iron. [PV+9]
Your joints are incredibly flexible. [DEX+9]
Your wounds regenerate instantly. [Regeneration++]
You have ideal legs. [SPD+15]
You have ideal arms. [STR+9]
Your voice charms everyone. [CHR+10]
Your brain is fully mechanized. [Memorization+8]
You have resistance to magic. [RES Magic+]
Your eardrums are thick. [RES Sound+]
Your blood is boiling. [RES Fire+]
Your skin is covered by frost. [RES Cold+]
You have resistance to lightning. [RES Lightning+]
You have the eyes of a hawk. [PER+10]
You have no trouble eating human flesh.

>>20748659
Are you wearing a fairy hat?

>>20748667
Yep.

Nice then

>>20745225
Special actions never miss. If you've got drain blood, blade strings, or hypnotism you can deal with hungry demons easily.

>>20741403
I agree with your premise - the early game is the hardest part and it's worth a few sacrifices to get through it faster, but going golem gunner is going to shave off maybe 10 hours of the pre-Zeome game and add about 100 hours of grinding after. The golem part isn't too bad. I don't think losing 30 mana is worth gaining 50 life in the long term (now that AP can increase life) but it's very good at the start and you get dim immunity out of the deal. I'd say Yerles is a stronger choice though, 110 life is good enough for the early game, 90 mana isn't much of a penalty, and +1 skill point per level is probably the strongest racial feat (mutant shenanigans aside). The extra points smooth out the early game and they add up to a lot once you reach void level 200 and can gain a level every few kills.

Going gunner in E+ is is definitely not optimal in the long run though. Even if you have to drop firearms and start training martial arts from nothing 25 hours in, you should do it. It'll catch up soon enough while firearms will slow you down in every fight that matters for the entire life of your character.

>>20748438
It's good, and for a firearm specialist in E+ dual wielding shields/tonfas ideal. In OO/oomsest it's not a bad idea either though you might prefer dual wielding guns instead.

>>20748719
martial arts is too slow to train, plus you'll have to give up on the hand slots, so you're lower on PV, has less flexibility with living weapons, while also being in melee all the time. It is powerful later on, sure, but gunner has all the advantages all the way to act three. I think Magic / Magic Device is a better transition from gunner. You get the synergy of the buff spells, and the magic system is more fun than bump damage. Plus you sort of have to grind up magic anyway even if you go martial arts.

Sticking with gunner all the way isn't bad, either. with burst ammo it's pretty easy to take down most bosses. time stop ammo adds various shenanigans.

>>20748719
regarding golem: I don't think I've ever bothered to grind up mana, past what I get from the quest-given fruits, plus feats. There's really no need. In the late game you'll almost never run out anyway, unless you're using the Barrier feat, which you probably shouldn't, since Health is much faster to get back.

the dim resistance can be gotten with high resistance vs sound, so it's marginal. skill points are also marginal: by level 300 you'll have 300 extra skill points. that's worth maybe 300 plats? woo.

If we include debug races, maybe Undeadgod would be a good race to play - 400 mana, plus less slots than standard, so you can afford to get more ether diseases, and get more hands in act 2.

Why do I keep getting the gay items

>>20748748
Dual shielding MA is a PV tank and still outdamages 2H and DW (both of which do more than twice as much damage as guns). You're right about Magic - it's a great option for a transition, both for its raw power and for how much easier it is to train on an established character.

>>20748772
You absolutely should use the barrier feat. It's an effective +70 to life in addition to a pseudo-guts effect against burst damage like bomb rocks and the meteor spell (barrier won't cause magic reaction damage even if it takes your mp into the negatives). You also get a sort of double regeneration once the enemy breaks through your barrier since both hp recovery from healing and mp recovery from meditation are increasing your effective health. If you're concerned about losing training for the healing skill, wear bloodsucking equipment.

I know the yerles feat isn't an overwhelming difference but the other are all less significant except mutant which is a wildcard, and fairy which is snail tier.

>>20748928
if you have anything in the hands at all, you can't get the full 8 extra attacks out of martial arts, which are kinda the whole point. far as damage output goes, not having to melee everything is worth the lower damage. If I want to cheese this, I could also get two extra arms, then carry 4 living weapons with +90 Marksman each. +360 Marksman and a +magic damage shotgun is enough to let me kill inner gods early, though maybe not as early as +450 Magic Device and use rods of lightning.

I usually use barrier until ~lvl 200 or so, then get rid of it. Thing is, when you're put into negative mana you can't keep casting, which is pretty bad. By this point I'd have enough extra Life from AP that I don't miss it.

Really it's all theoretical in the lategame, since there's nothing forcing you to go into lvl 2000 awakened dungeons vs, say, lvl 1000.

>>20748968
The point of martial arts is insane base damage, 50% pierce, better crits than frisia's tail, and the option to do whatever you want with your hand slots. The 8 attacks option is definitely nice, so is using claws and tonfas for a balance between damage and useful enchantments. So is using shields to go full tank while still outdamaging 2H/DW glass cannons.

You can get away with doing whatever you want, anything works with enough grinding. But martial arts in E+ are more powerful than weapons and that's not an opinion. MA doesn't even have a rough early game anymore with the addition of claws and tonfas.

>>20749049
it's a question of crossover point. WHEN do you think it becomes more powerful? because in my opinion it only becomes more powerful than other options roughly at the same time as I start killing inner gods. I generally start a new game after that, and I suspect most players won't even wait this long, so...

>>20748719
You don't need the most optimal build to beat the game.

>>20749078
Well that's harder to say. I'd say it's at least comparable to high end weapons at skill level 250. Your base damage at that point will be competitive with high end weapons. Your pierce will also have maxed out at 50%, only meaningfully outclassed by lightsabers (which have much worse base damage). Dual wield has an advantage in extra attacks and two hand has an advantage in accuracy and multipliers, but I would say leaving your hands free for shields, claws and tonfas makes up for it.

Even early on it's not bad through. Gather 50 small medals for the shield tonfa right off the bat and you'll be outstanding in defense compared to other characters at that point, and I woudn't be surprised if you outdamage a character who goes for an early diablo.

>>20749341
that's the rub: living weapons completely warp this picture, since it's way easier to train up living weapons to give +90 skill each, than to train it up yourself. get two extra arms and carry four weapons for +360, and suddenly you're a godslayer. you can't really do this with MA since you can't carry living weapons except in the shoot slot.

early on melee characters are just harder than shooting. you get hit with various dirty tricks more, like potions, or acid, or liches running away, or web, etc. with shooting you can just hold down the F key, and occasionally do an always-hit Zero Shoot.

>>20749398
Living weapons are what lets weapons (temporarily) surpass MA, yeah. And it's hard to say at which point which option is better, especially since you don't know exactly when you're going to find the right living weapons, how long it'll take to get the skills you want on them, etc. My anecdotal experience says that the MA attribute buff can at least stand up to magic damage-enchanted weapons in exchange for the small downside of needing a turn and some stamina to cast.

Not gonna lie, dual wielding living weapons for extra firearm and marksman skills does sound promising. MA attempting the to do the same could put one living weapon in the ranged slot along with, say, +22 to MA (among other appealing bonuses) from the shield and smash tonfas. I don't think that's too far behind but that's only taking standard slots into account. +360 from extra hand shenanigans would indeed put you way ahead of the curve for a long time and it's something MA absolutely can't replicate. Of course, if you wanted to be 200% optimal and were already scumming for extra hands then why not go all out with a 20-handed mutant like someone said in the previous thread?

>>20749398
>>20749538
I didn't consider extra limb and living weapon abuse in the context of your original post about a riding golem gunner, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense. Lots of things become broken with living weapon abuse, but if you want it to be a weapon, firearms definitely make the most sense.

>>20741445
Just get String Assassins and you can clear slime cave and puppy cave before you're level 10

Is this a bug? My fireproof blanket has already ran out of charges a long time ago and it still is protecting my stuff

>>20749822
you can clear it at level one if you're really careful and you buy slaves and get the right feats. that's not the point. the point is that new players will die a lot in those two places, when they don't have to. there's no reason not to wait til level 10, and when you're level 10 those quests are cakewalks.

>>20749631
throwing is also good. in fact, there's additional synergy, since you'll be levelling living weapons in Tactics, so you can multiclass into a multihand melee build.

mutant requires WAY too much effort to get going, except as a pet. would have to mess with Little Sister meats a whole lot since getting PC arms are pretty expensive now. Undeadgod, now: 150 Life, 500 Mana, 9 body slots by default w/ 2 hands, you can get up to 8 hands easy, or 6 and not suffer the speed penalty.

I think my next build will be an undeadgod grenade-shuriken thrower. instead of riding a mount, I'll plop a tiny loli mage on my head and have her buff me.

>>20749866
>there's no reason not to wait til level 10
There is though
The sooner you get the cooler, the better

>>20749906
eh, it's not that important. at those levels you'll be perfectly fine living off adventurer's food and whatever you find on the ground. and it's not like it'll take a long time to get to lvl 10.

>>20749906
Just buy bread.

>>20749906
I only ever used the cooler to shove heavy corpses in it, honestly.

>>20749832
It's normal. Eventually your blanket will be destroyed doing that so have a backup or ten ready.

I got kinda tired of being a thief, though pickpocket is really useful
I kinda want more of a warrior-like character but probably not as slow as one. Should I roll a Claymore? Also, Is Juere's passive really that bad?

>can kill a bard with no repercussions
>oh, but if you steal from him you take a huge karma hit
Okay.

>>20751811
If you kill them they can just respawn.
Death is cheap unless the plot dictates you must leave now.

>>20751830
I literally strangled every named NPC I found for my museum. Murder was never so much fun.

Havent played since elona plus 1.50 should i make a new save or just transfer my character to the newest custom elona plus.

>>20751803
>I kinda want more of a warrior-like character but probably not as slow as one. Should I roll a Claymore?
Fighters shouldn't be slow, every class wants speed. In Omake I'd recommend the ninja class for its good feats and +10 to speed, and in E+ I recommend warmage so you'll still be good at casting buffs with heavy equipment. Every class can learn every skill, and you can also change classes so it's not a big deal if you don't like what you picked.
>Also, Is Juere's passive really that bad?
No, it'll slow down your growth, since food is such a good source of potential and stat gain, but the difference is only severe once you've got an unlimited supply of herbs, and at that point jueres can exploit hungry demons as well as anyone else. You're trading away a little bit of growth speed for a little bit of convenience is all. It's not optimal but it's fine.

>>20752151
I should probably just class change to warmage and stuff

And jesus change the guild because fuck the thieves guild

>>20752736
Yeah the thieves guild is pretty pointless. The mages guild is good in every version and the fighters guild is good in E+.

To change class you need a business card. When you use it, type the name of the class you want in all lowercase letters and it'll give you that class's feat. Type anything else and it will change your displayed class name without affecting your feat. The best way get a business card is to wait for a lucky day, and then get a long win streak in blackjack.

>>20752883
I have one but I was not changing since I hadn't decided yet. Also the guaranteed crit on stealth, but since my eye of the mind is pretty decent I get a lot of crits anyway

So what exactly do the devil fragments from trap removal quests do? Or what kind of item do they presumably make?

>>20752957
Nothing at the moment. Supposedly they'll be traded in for abilities related to traps later.

What casting level do you need for 100% wish cast chance? I really need to note this stuff down because I stop playing for months and forget everything I was doing and what the levels are for things.

>>20752103
Make a backup and transfer.

Maybe silly question, but on the Wiki it says heavy armor means"total weight of worn equipment is over 35.0s". Does this include things in your Hand/Ammo/Shoot slots as well?

>>20753761
Yes.

>>20753826
Cool, thanks anon.

Is there some way you can see how much an item would sell for in your shop? I'm assuming the estimate you get in the item description would be an estimate based on what you would get from selling it to a vendor, which is pennies in comparison.

>>20739790
Now do the title theme.

>>20754437
as far as I know, no. I just go with the assumption that even a hopeless trade potential in my shop would be leagues enough better that I'd need to take a couple steps in my boots.

Has anyone mapped/worked out the exact tile movement for spending the least amount of time going between city to city? If not, this sounds like something that might be a bit fun to do. Maybe I'll make a table of needed speed to get from one city to another in X amount of days.

So when going through dungeons, what should I be picking up? At the moment I'm just picking up scrolls/books/potions but I'm not sure if I'm seriously missing out on the chance to get nice equipment by not picking up other random shit.

>dude here's an enemy that can place mines that can take 40% of your health a pop and you can't use float since they have the gravity spell
okay, this is epic

hey guys, pretty new to the game, currently level 28 and I found this precious knife, do you think it's better to equip it in my shoot slot rather than the wakizashi i found when I was level 14?

>>20756064
Timestop proc won't work on your shoot shoot (Nightmare won't work either, but you don't really have edgy damage on your weapons)
Nightmare looks better than your End Century, but since they are both short swords you can just equip both and dual wield them.

>>20755487
Pretty much everything but heavy stuff (that you don't need), gotta train that Weight Lifting skill.
Heavy low level equipment (like those fat crossbows) is trash most of the time and equipment in general won't give you much money because of how greedy merchants are (when dealing with shopkeepers, selling equipment gets the lowest price rate in the game). The same can be said about light low level equipment (like daggers), but carrying tons of unidentified equipment will train your Sense Quality skill, and this is more about quantity than total weight.

>>20756751
Oh damn, I'm roleplaying as a samurai who only uses one sword, currently wielding a +15 zantetsuken with 4.0 weight
Maybe i'll reduce the weight of the zantetsuken and dual wield it with nightmare and put the end century in my shoot slot

Good day to all of my fellow farmers. I haven't touched elona since quite a while but wanted to get back to my field working multiheaded golem of a character. Sadly when i start this game i get this:
HspError 12 WinError 2 Ver 3010 Mode 0
efId 0 efP 0 Area 0/0
ci 0#0 ti 0#0 cc 0#0 tc 0#0 rc 0#0
3. dim ct:0
2. ctrlFile10 ct:0
1. del_userNpc ct:0
0. del_userTemp ct:0


Sorry.

OP, you missed the "got an error message? here's what you forgot to do, you numpty" lines.

Thinking of getting back into the game, Is elona+ still fucked?
Is omake a viable altenative? Or should I just play e+ around v1.75 again?

>>20757337
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:29336

>>20757357
Oh, nice, I finally get to see the 1.80+ new stuff.

>>20757289
forgot to mention it's v1,75

I dunno if someone already updated the monstergirl spritesheet for 1.86 or not, but I couldn't find anything, so here's a rough one I made:
https://imgur.com/a/m696YQY

Throw a caramel of termination at a bard.

>>20757289
>>20757495
Can you create a new character and play with it normally? If yes, do you have modded files? It could be some broken file. Create a whole new Elona+ v1.75 folder with just the normal files, and test your save on it. If it works, test each modded file one by one (copy-paste file, load save file, repeat with a new one) until the game breaks again.

>>20757734
elona+ won't even start it immediately closes and gives me the error message. I honestly don't remember if i had modded files, but i belive i only had some sprite changes

>>20757906
Even a single pixel edit can break the whole game before it even starts if the any of the .bmp files were edited and saved incorrectly. All images have to be saved in 24-bit bitmap format, so you will have to check all your modded files and save them again, or test them one by one like I suggested before.
Also, my mistake, I meant to say "If no, do you have modded files?". The reason of creating a new character was to confirm if it wasn't a save file bug on your main character (like a broken inventory or map generation issue).

>>20757943
thing is i played a year ago without a problem,took a long break and now it screws up. Will check my files. Thanks anon

>>20757965
HSP is nothing but witchcraft, you never know when it will corrupt something, especially if you don't quit the game properly (remember to create backups).
You can also try to create a new Elona+ folder and put your save file on it.

Do instruments have any point if you can just use ensemble after getting the performing skill up to 30? Ensemble just seems ridiculously OP in comparison.

>>20758033
Ensemble takes longer to complete and isn't affected by instruments and their proprieties. I don't know much about perform in general (I usually just preach about the superiority of my goddess Jure), so I don't really know the difference between a solo player with a Stradivarius (increases reward's quality) and an army of younger sisters singing the cutest songs of all Tyris.

I just read all the changelogs since 1.77 after not playing for a while. What the fuck is wrong with that slant eyed fuck? It's like he's actively trying to destroy the game and make it less fun with every update. I'm so appreciative of the guy who made custom G right now.

>>20758869
I haven't updated since 1.75 and don't know if I'm missing all that much.
I just hand-edited in a couple changes like the charge weapon fix.

>>20759174
There were a couple things I read that I would have missed if I just played vanilla plus without updating. I'm having fun with the feature that lets you tack on items to party sprites.

Is it better to avoid gaining levels in Omake like it is in vanilla?

Question about dungeon danger, I know it scales based off of deepest level cleared (and fame too, right?) but what does that actually mean? Does it mean killing the boss in a random dungeon, does it mean based off of the danger level of the dungeon (as in, clear a danger level 10 dungeon and that's your "deepest"?) or what?

I'm trying to manipulate it so I can still farm stuff without getting screwed on danger level like I did on my last character.

>>20759603
You can reset your deepest level to 1 in South Tyris.

>>20759603
If you delve too deeply, you can ask Maile to reset your Nefia clear depth.

>>20759585
Omake changes how progression works. Now pretty much everything is directly connected to your fame, and not your level.
If things gets too hard, you will just fail quests and lose fame, and the game will go back to your average level eventually.

>got my first ever wish
>type seven league boots
>alt tabbed to make sure I got it right and since I did I quickly tabbed back in and pressed enter
>apparently tabbing out had reset the field and I noticed too late and wished for nothing
Can someone kill me please

Anyone know what's better late game-
Rank 2k blacksmith or black market dealer.
Im not in either guild, so dont factor in the price reductions?

Well I just lost 4 hours of grinding and 300 levels because of a power outage and some save fuckery. Time to kill myself.

>>20760279
Only 4 hours? Someone here lost 500 and kept playing.

Do the mods in the mods list work in 1.86?

>>20761830
You have to test yourself.

>>20760191
In Plus, black market dealer
It's not worth it to go beyond 200 for the blacksmith in Plus
In Omake, both are good options

Alright what am I doing?

Pls nothing too masochistic and nothing too meta,

>>20760191
>>20762074
in Plus, apparently blacksmith now has 8 pages at high level; blackmarket only gets 2. it's actually not so clear cut which one's better in the end. might change with very high Luck too.

really, the answer is to just get both.

So how much of OO's popularity is substantial game improvement rather than butthurt at E+'s nerfs/stuff like waterworks? Years of content development is hard to argue with.

>>20762507
>more is better
Yawn

>>20763215
Well, hard to argue in good faith with, at least...

If Plus is shonen, then OO is seinen.
That's just how it is.

>>20763968
>That's just how it is.
bro can you even make a fact-based argument
you're just throwing meaningless opinions at people here

The difference between Plus and Omake is very simple. Plus is more of a roguelike game, while Omake is more of a life sim.

>>20762416
Whatever sounds fun. Having starting skills is important because trying to do something based on a skill without having the skill means you'll be horribly bad at it, so pick things that have the skills that you want. Start by picking a humanoid race for more balanced stats.

I don't know if this is still the case, but back in vanilla it was pretty common to make your first character, get absolutely butt fucked in some horribly long lasting way, and make a second character and then do better. So maybe don't get too attached to your first character unless it seems like things are going well.

>>20757559
is this only for vanilla+? my sprites are all fucked up, do i need to do something else other than replacing my old character.bmp?

>imgur
>jpg
that. Missing one NPC sprite (above the X on the left and rooster) when compared to 1.86.1.4's.

>>20757559
Installing this makes the game looked messed up as it needs a BMP, and I believe that uploading it to imgur converts it to jpg, hence why it gets so fucked.
Can you share the bmp please?

>>20765891
>>20766243
>>20757559
That's why the mods pastebin says not to upload spritesheets to imgur.

I ended up reading this guide about farming and it kinda discouraged me from playing, not because of the game mechanics or anything, but the guy who wrote it was trying so hard to be funny.

Why does this AI not work? She casts Holy Shield, Healing Rain, and attacks anything that happens to be next to her, but whenever she should move, cast Regeneration, or even the "just shoot something" fallback, it's just the "doesn't know how to respond" every time.

>>20767357
They can't shoot if the enemy is more than 5 tiles away.

>>20767357
Shouldn't it try to move forward before that? It doesn't matter whether there's something two tiles away or twenty, it just sits there not knowing what to do until something moves next to it or another pet gets hit and it heals them.

>>20767416
Shouldn't it try to move forward before that? It doesn't matter whether there's something two tiles away or twenty, it just sits there not knowing what to do until something moves next to it or another pet gets hit and it heals them.

>>20767431
Custom AI can be kind of finicky. You'd be better off with "Target Distance <= 5: Attack (Ranged)". Although personally I always use "< 6", but that's probably just paranoia or superstition on my part.

>>20767513
Doesn't seem to help. I also tried removing the ranged line entirely, as well as swapping the order of the move and attack lines.

>>20767663
Try this setup:

Self Buff != Holy Shield: Holy Shield
Self HP < 80%: And
Self Buff != Regeneration: Regeneration
Ally HP < 60%: Healing Rain
Target Distance = 1: Attack (Melee)
Target Distance < 6: Attack (Ranged)
Target Distance > 1: Move (Forward)

>>20767682
1. regeneration sucks. this is much better:
Self HP < 70%: Cure of Jure.

2. the ranged attack AI is kinda retarded. It'll stand around doing nothing if there's an enemy but the view is blocked so it can't shoot. Try target Distance < 4 instead of 6 to migitate.

This also means short-ranged weapons > long ranged.

3. put at the end:
Player Distance > 1: Move (Forward). This stops the message spam.

>>20767700
>regeneration sucks
I'm not the one choosing which actions are used.
>Player Distance > 1: Move (Forward). This stops the message spam.
That would only work if the pet was not adjacent to you at the time. I've never known "Target Distance > 1: Move (Forward)" to fail.

>>20767682
I think there's something wrong with the Healing Rain.

The instructions work fine when it's the only pet out, but as soon as I introduce allies into the mix, it starts failing apparently at random. Sometimes it will cast Healing Rain for them, but often it just sits there uselessly.

>>20767700
>1. regeneration sucks. this is much better:

It knows regeneration, it doesn't know cure. I've tried putting always-true move forward at the bottom before, but it's failing before then.

>>20767755
I bet the problem is the distance between the healer pet and the ally. I solved it like this:
>Player HP < 75%: And
>Player Distance > 3: Move (Forward), Preserve Entity As Target
>Player HP < 75%: Healing Rain, Preserve Entity As Target
But that was with her just healing me. I've never messed around with the Ally setting. All I know about it is that it checks every other party member (that is, the pet won't check itself).

>>20767755
>>20767778
Does the Healing Rain line have target preservation on? I've seen weird stuff from that. Sometimes it's not needed, other times something where it shouldn't be needed will only work if it's enabled.

>>20757289
Did you set windows 7 compatibility mode?

>>20762416
Yerles warmage.

>>20767778
I think this might have been it, maybe. Need to test it some more, but adding "and ally distance < 4" at least seems to help for now. I didn't think that could have been the issue before, because it would clearly spam Healing Rain when the ally in need of healing was out of range, I just didn't bother fixing it because at least that line was evaluating at all.

>>20767827
Rather boring. Why not Lich Claymore?

>>20767938
How about Lich Farmer instead? Unconventional, starting skills are good for building platinum early on, a race that will eventually become really solid with the barrier feat, and overall very Elona-ish.

>>20767723
>I've never known "Target Distance > 1: Move (Forward)" to fail.
it fails if the path between the pet and the nearest monster is blocked.

>That would only work if the pet was not adjacent to you at the time.
this and Target Distance > 1: Move (Forward) will cover 99.5% of cases.

>>20767755
>It knows regeneration, it doesn't know cure.

teach it, yo. spells are easy to teach, just make an AI that casts cure and does nothing else (stop when out of mana), then ride a bell and let it go nuts. if you can't get cure of jua, the lesser cure spells are still all better than regeneration.

>>20765797
>>20766243
>>20766418
Oh, my bad.
I quickly skimmed through the mods pastebin an d saw a imgur link so I figured it was fine.

https://mega.nz/#!aIoUyYgI!YxkIAx3pinROViZymn0SDhNymmwVKOc7rRGVsXk3Qss

New thread wen

Whoever makes the next thread, get the two missing "how to fix these common crashes" lines from the last thread.

>>20768890
There's another problem now, several female sprites are actually male npc's.

>>20770509
Oh baby.