/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>読んでくれたまえ

>>20720608
what about the deaf

>>20721774

imagine Nuke being your dad
dad with autism wasting his life on inefficient memerise decks he creates to fulfill his own selfish reasons
imagine having a dad who spent months learning Japanese and not actually being able to speak it
imagine your dad is a failure like that

If you are mixing up 2 kanji you need to put them side by side in a notepad and compare them for a min, it goes away.

no you need 3 months of anki to fix something that easy

>>20722886
or just simply go through RTK and never have this retarded problem

>>20722947
lol

>>20722947
how much nippongese do u kno

>>20722947
RTK mostly fixes the issue (i say mostly because you have to keep up reviewing for a long time or your ability will gradually decline) but it aint worth doing just to help distinguish a few kanji that look similar

>>20722969
it is worth it, i put in my work and it yields results
you'll be talking shit about RTK till the end of the time and you'd go through it 10 times the time you spent on criticising it

>>20722872
That would be an improvement from my current dad honestly.

>>20722984
i did RTK and i stopped confusing similar kanji. but as a low-end estimate it took 180 hours to finish RTK which would have been better spent learning japanese.

if native speakers didn't need rtk neither do you

You need to read more since your prediction abilities suck. RTK won't fix that either btw. If you are intimidated by things like 微徴緑縁 then read more books because these are non issues in practice

>>20722998
>Learning kanji =/= learning Japanese
This is why Reddit laughs at us

isn't reddit full of female weebs sharing clips of their voices so they can attentionwhore

Youtube suggested this video to me, so I gave it a look out of curiosity. Turns out he's a Matt follower and is a year into "immersion." However, most of what he talks about in the video are sentence cards and methods for making them. In fact, the yatsu barely talks about compelling content besides mentioning watching tv. I can't help but think he's looking at the trees and missing the forest.... Are all Mattdrones like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuuMAvrJOvI

>>20723051
https://old.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/ajp0n2/japanese_reading_practise_post_an_audio_clip_of/

>>20723053
i've shilled his videos here before to prove that MIA works flawlessly. he regularly tweets stuff he's watching and reading. for example he talked about how he watched every episode of one piece.

>>20723053
karubin probably just became the most enlightened mattdrone there is and thats not sayin much

現れ

Guys it's really hard for me to say this properly and quickly.

Let's try again

I've got an exam in a few days and I can't even understand the questions, anyone wants to help me?

>戦争直後の体制危機と日本的雇用の役割について述べなさい。
Is this basically asking me to explain the effects the employment system had in the post-war?

Rate this translation.

>>20723069
I checked his twitter, it's an interesting approach but I don't understand why there is no reading mixed in? Surely reading counts as immersion. And One Piece is way more fun to read than to watch

>>20723098
he took the matt bait that reading permanently cripples your accent so he's trying to listen much more than he reads

>>20723053
>10 months of rtk

>>20723102
is he going to try to sound like a wise samurai too

>>20723096
join my scanlation team.

>>20723102
Oh, I see. Thank you for clarifying, I'm out of touch with the mattverse

>>20723102
I'm doing that too, but not because of matt but because it's not fun reading stuff that slowly. At about 8 months I plan on reading much more though.

>>20723138
You only get faster at reading through practice

>>20723142
>only
I'm reading subtitles and doing srs.

Rate this translation.

>>20723153
it says runa, not rona

>>20723142
One of my problems with reading is that they use completely different vocabulary. Like 30% of the words you'll never see spoken, or in anime, etc. Reading seems to be it's own world and I'm not in as big as rush to get there as I am to watch content and talk with people.

>>20723153
Leave lona chan alone.

warau

>>20723148
neither of those are reading practice

>>20723163
the rest thats the same is more practice for understanding nippongo
seemed to me that overall comprehension progress as a beginner is way higher from reading than listening but you gotta make your own choices so gambare

>>20723223
Both are 100% reading but they're targeted at what I actually want to do, listen and talk, not some impractical ability to read more books.

>>20723243
(you)

>>20723090
こたえてほしいのはふたつだよ

立憲君主制のそんぞくと

年功序列の終身雇用について

れきしとせいじをふまえてろんじてくださいという

あたしならかんたんだけど

あのんにはむずかしいとおもう

you will never be fully literate if you don't read a ton of books

learning Japanese is honestly a waste of time if you're not into reading

>>20723275
but its pretty funny

>>20723275
>you will never be fully literate
ok?
>learning Japanese is honestly a waste of time if you're not into reading
Movies, television shows, anime, tokusatsu, youtube, games, talking with real people, etc. In my opinion if you're honing yourself for reading you're wasting your time.

does having poor reading ability also limit the speed at which you can improve your listening

>>20723303
most of people making and watching these forms of media are literate and signs, references to kanji, popular literature that everyone in japan has read are abundant. you are missing out on an entire dimension by being illiterate. reading and expanding your knowlege is not a waste of time if you aren't satisfied with being retarded and missing out on a ton of important stuff

>>20723317
did you have to read to learn english?

>>20723322
that's not what i asked, but needless to say reading does help me a lot in english.

>>20723321
>by being illiterate
I never said I wasn't going to read, I just said I'm not focusing on it.

>>20723329
how? 99% of people don't read so are you learning words 99% of the people don't know?

>>20723322
I mean... yes. Much of his vocabulary and grammar in English was developed from reading. Someone who doesn't read will not be able to communicate as effectively in English.

>>20723335
well the first use that pops into my head is that it enables me to find the material that i want to listen to.

And brainlet of the week award goes to >>20723275

>>20723337
a 5 year old knows aprox 5,000 words, what books did they read?

>>20723345
how deep of a conversation can you have with a five year old

The problem with this place is everyone here is doing things different but thinks whatever they’re doing is the best way of doing things and that everyone else is a retard that’s wasting their time.

Myself included, but still.

>>20723163
>they use completely different vocabulary
If you don't know what you're talking about, don't make stupid blanket statements like this.

>>20723353
if he watched some good documentaries lived with people who discussed intelligent things, etc. you might be surprised. Books aren't the only way to aquire infornation. In fact they're limited in many ways.

>>20723370
brainlet detected

is there anything worse than people who watch documentaries and think they're intellectuals?

>>20723370
even if so thats expecting pretty ideal circumstances
literacy gives you a lot more independence in acquiring information

>>20723370
Oh OK you've been trolling this whole time. Never mind.

>>20723370
>5 year old watching a bunch of documentaries about history, economics, and art
This is a hell of a reach but let's see if it pays off.

>>20723258
実は、答えは年功序列の終身雇用岳についてだと思う。先生は立憲君主制を全然教えてくれなかった。
他の質問は：
１・日本的雇用制度の特徴について図を使って説明しなさい
３・高度成長期に日本的雇用が定着した理由
４・構造不況を救った要因として日本的雇用が果たした役割について
５・バブル経済崩壊後の２つの雇用の変化
６・先生が提案した優秀な女性活用による新たな雇用方法について貴女の考えを１の図表を使って述べなさい

難しすぎ。。。

>>20723358
there's nothing wrong with him not caring about reading but when he tries to equate documentaries with reading that's where it enters bullshit territory

>>20723385
Yea people who get superiority complexes and think they're intellectuals because they read something.

>>20723416
You know over 90% of what you learn you forget in 7 days anyways. At least with a documentary you get audio, video, emotion, and layers of the information making it more rememberable. I didn't know there was some sort of anti-documentary movement on here lol

if u havent sat in ur room playing hentai games for at least 5 years with no contact with other humans (no internet) u cannot in any sense call urself an intellectual

not gonna fall for it

>>20723437
this is really fuckin dumb because if you had actually ever tried reading a book you'd know that you learn more from a 50 page pamphlet on the civil war than the whole Ken Burns series

nah truth of the matter is u cannot rise above other humans when u constantly bombard urself with their garbage such as the always connected always communicating youth of this generation do

discipline and solitude and hentai those are the 3 things u need to become zen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ocQJH7EiwY

who likes krashen's idea that if you expose yourself to language that is just a little bit above your current level you will naturally acquire new words and grammar without even trying

who likes khatzumatt's idea that if you immerse yourself in incomprehensible language soup and make 10s of thousands of sentence flashcards featuring one unknown word or grammar in them then you will expand your language knowledge

>>20722708
Why with な adjectives do you only add a な if you're using the present positive? Is this a "Because I say so" thing that's it's best just to accept and not ask why it is this way?
I just find it weird that you can understand from context that the adjective is modifying the noun when it's past or negative but you need a な when it's present positive as if the context isn't enough here

i mean i dont tell em to watch 10000 hours of eng subbed anime for nothin

>>20723453
I guarantee you I've read more than you have. The problem is that you may learn more from that pamphlet but unless you write it down in some notes and look at it, in just 7 days you'll forget it. We are forgetting machines. I read a ton in high school and college and today I could maybe recall at the most a page worth the information about each book. I don't reget it, reading has it's place, but I don't think you have to do it. You can even get audio books of anything.

>>20723477
i don't super like subscribing myself to someone else's ideals of how i should or shouldn't be learning a language because i'm already doing it by having fun with the language however i want
when i was a "listen to other people" kind of guy i was doing anki for hours and not having fun, now i'm a chad who busts it to eroge 3 times a day

>>20723486
the fuck outta here with ur nerd eigo shit

>but I don't think you have to do it
no one said you did

>>20723492
lol i have a conflicted feeling because im happy ur cumming regularly and keepin everything moving in ur pipes but on the other hand u originally were a guide user and a seeker for the answer of "how do i learn japanese"

>>20723486
there is no such thing as a na adjective. you can learn real japanese grammar after your 10000 hours of anime nerd

>>20723503
everyone has their own dark past even if they dont remember it...

hold up u cant say that

>>20723442
this but unironically
>>20723477
but muh flash cards are scientifically proven

>>20723038
i find it easier to learn kanji by learning the words that contains it, and it increases my vocabulary, so i think its a good method, but i bet someone here will disagree with me

>>20723492
this guy is learning some fuckin nippongese
haitatti

>>20723477
I don't know who's right so I"m doing both..

high touch these nuts idiot

thats the most pedophilic thing ive seen anyone say in my life

u should check out some of the threads on his board then lol

japanese might be broken old chinese, but atleast its more consistant than actual chinese and its dumbass sub-languages

i mean i aint lookin for more im good without it

>>20723489
and I guarantee that I had sex with over 1000 women

there is no better way to learn than through reading, I don't know forgetting what you read is really relevant or even remotely quantifiable

do you NEED to mine?
i didn't do it with english

we need jamal to weigh in on this

>>20723572
probably not but I find it speeds up my retention of kanji readings

>>20723572
Japanese isn't English

ほと is ほど now

>>20723590
best sandwich girl

>>20723568
moving to japan and forcing yourself to take in japanese input all the time 24/7 is obviously a way better method to learn japanese than reading

most people leant english by having english input everywhere, games, movies, internet etc, no one learnt it by reading books exclusively, dumbass

i swear reading fags are getting more and more obnoxious and obsessed

>>20723597
>moving to japan and forcing yourself to take in japanese input all the time 24/7
too bad almost nobody ever does that and instead they create their own language bubble. although you're full of shit anyway. you'll learn similarly just listening to shit at your house.

>>20723415
Please send help, exam is in 3 days and I have no idea what I'm doing

actually matt himself (japanese learning expert) said that reading novels is the best way to improve your overall japanese.

>>20723603
reading is for homosexuals

>>20723597
>moving to japan and forcing yourself to take in japanese input all the time 24/7 is obviously a way better method to learn japanese than reading
its too bad there are hundreds of counterexamples readily available

>>20723613
based and tuyoi

>>20723629
>counterexamples
you mean opinions.

>>20723572
u dont have to do sHIT

besides click this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzOAsyzM8E4#t=153

I have an autism story. I first started learning Japanese in 2011 and my impression was learning kanji was the main hurdle, so I did RTK for like 12 hours a day for a month before learning any kana/grammar/vocab. I think it did give me a big advantage, like a Chinese person starting to learn Japanese or something. If you're a NEET on the spectrum and can handle that kind of mindless grinding then I'd say it's worth it. I find it piss easy to pick up new kanji now, I probably know about 4000 and passed N1 a couple of years ago.

>>20723648
wtf i know japanese 今?

>>20723645
he means people who have demonstrated proficiency and described their learning process

>>20723650
Can I donate to your patreon?

>>20723650
i did RTK and recognize its benefits. not worth it. newbies, please don't do RTK.

>>20723345
>>20723353
>when the argument is lost

>>20723657
you mean people who are stubborn and defend their learning method because they dont like leaving their japanese safe zone

>>20723665
this

sorry to the people I argued with about rtk being necessary back in may, I was wrong

>>20723650
learning kanji is easy, remembering the kun and on readings however is the tricky part

rtk is just a dumb way to do something but it still gets done but now u have a bunch of extra catchup to do when u coulda just did it right

>>20723523
thought this picture was a gun from thumbnail

i never read an english novel in my life, or anything other than a comic, so obviously i cant speak english

what a bummer

>>20723665

I also felt the same way after doing it originally for a couple of years, but I think it's hard to understand the advantage it gives you if you have done it yourself. It takes away a large aspect of what makes learning Japanese difficulty. If you haven't done RTK and want to learn a new word you have to memorise new kanji (which you have no mental framework for doing easily), on top of remembering the compound itself, and the pronunciation. If you've done RTK you just have to remember the pronunciation aspect and the rest kind of slots into the memory you already have of the kanji. I think it makes learning Japanese closer to learning a European language.

I know a lot of Japanese language learners in real life and almost none of them are good at kanji except the people who did RTK, and I know some people who have switched and said they wish they had done it from the start.

>>20723645
>>20723657
no i mean people who have lived in nipponguni for 10 years constantly forcing themselves to try to interact with natives in nippongese and cant handle a basic interaction

>>20723686

Having the framework of kanji in your head makes it very easy to attach readings to the kanji you already know though. I've never had any issue learning readings just by learning words normally after doing RTK.

>>20723716
>If you haven't done RTK and want to learn a new word you have to memorise new kanji
interesting theory

>>20723716
if you didn't use anki, or if you quit doing your reviews a few months after having gotten all your RTK cards to maturity, eventually you forget your story and the english keyword for most kanji. so you can compare the benefit of having done RTK it to without. the benefits are marginal. you could make an argument that doing kanji to keyword for like 500 kanji is useful but you definitely don't need to do anywhere near 2200.

>I know a lot of Japanese language learners in real life and almost none of them are good at kanji except the people who did RTK
i don't know what you mean by "good at kanji". writing words? it's probably selection bias. these are the people who care the most about learning kanji.

>>20723725

I admit that sounds dumb. I mean it just slows down the process of learning if you are constantly encountering kanji that you don't know. You can't just learn new words because you also have to learn the kanji at the same time. There's also nothing stopping someone from doing RTK and simultaneously learning vocab based on what you've learned, which is the method I would suggest. There are scripts that you can use to input a list of kanji and it will output the most common vocab using only those kanji. I think if you went through RTK while doing that it would be the most efficient way to learn.

a lot of kanji used in japanese are used so commonly and in so many compounds that memorizing them shouldn't be that hard since it's constant reinforcement. most of the kanji in words that i have to draw into the computer now aren't even in RTK so what is the point?

if you want to write characters from memory from the very beginning like in written correspondence i can see the value of RTK.

but whenever i write kanji i am literally just copying it from the source text into another source, never having to produce from memory.

and when you get past the beginner stage using english keywords to produce kanji seems counter-productive when you can just learn to write out real words you know

>>20723741

"good at kanji" means being able to remember the readings for vocab, nor writing.

Saying that there's a marginal benefit to RTK is like saying Chinese people have a marginal benefit over English speakers when learning Japanese. It's actually way more than a marginal benefit to have the kanji firmly in your head. I think people just misunderstand what that benefit is, and think it's something that will make you able to read Japanese. You still have to grind vocab, sentences, etc. It's just a lot easier when you don't have to worry about kanji.

>it's an RTK pros vs cons episode
It's almost like you guys want me to close this thread and actually read

also a reminder that chinese people have a massive vocabulary that can translate 1:1 to japanese in meaning and they understand how kanji compounds can be formed and what the different types of kanji are while a RTK graduate only knows to write 木 when they see the word tree (x2200)

>>20723753
>I think if you went through RTK while doing that it would be the most efficient way to learn.
i tried something like that and it was a bigger mistake than rtk

>>20723724
RTK is fine, but its annoying to look up the readings when it just have the english translation in it and nothing else, atleast in the copy i found

i hate drawing the kanji to look it up on jisho

Hey /djt/ newfag still learning the hiragana here, should I focus on only learning the basics or are those dakuten thingies essential? I've already learned a couple because my anki deck has them included.

they are essential

>>20723808

Why would it be bad? You're just building upon RTK with vocab that should be easy to remember. Unless you just find it boring because it's mostly vocabulary that isn't in eroge or whatever you are learning Japanese for.

>ある意味迷ってるけど
I don't normally ask questions here, but is this character saying something to the effect of "in a certain sense i am lost, but" in response to the question? It's my first time actually doing any reading.

>>20723831
Learn everything on the Learn Kana page. Do them until they're burned into your brain

>>20723831
leaving out dakuten and handakuten is like leaving out a third of the english alphabet and moving on

combined hiragana is a bit more rare to encounter, but its still very essential, no skipping

and yes, you should learn katakana too

>>20723806

Yeah this is a good point, I'll admit it's probably hard for me to unbiased about RTK. I went through a phase of thinking it was a waste of time to thinking it was actually beneficial for me. Since I did it before learning any other aspect of Japanese it's hard for me to judge. I think that you have to tackle kanji in some holistic manner though, just learning them one by one as you come across them seems very inefficient and unlikely to actually set you up to be able to memorise new ones quickly.

>>20723855
yeah pretty much

>>20723848
the vocab isnt easy to remember if tons of it is bullshit you arent using that you only made a card for to try to have a word to associate with some kanji

>>20723855

You pretty much understand. It's not really a literal "but"; けど is just there because he's agreeing and saying he's lost, but not in the way he thinks.

"I guess you could say I'm lost", kind of thing

>>20723865
>leaving out dakuten and handakuten is like leaving out a third of the english alphabet
only a few need to be learned and the rest are free though i didnt bother practicing them i just looked them up a couple times and was done

>>20723859
>>20723865
Alright thanks bros I won't give up, there are too many goddamned eroges that I like untranslated.

>>20723791
>It's actually way more than a marginal benefit to have the kanji firmly in your head.
the chinese have more familiarity with kanji than westerners who did rtk.
>It's just a lot easier
not really. it's a bit easier, but not worth the hundreds of hours you have to invest.

>>20723881

Well I think that depends on your method of memorisation. If you're just trying to memorise something based on encountering it in the wild then you'll have a pretty hard time anyway. Most of the words I learn now I see like once or twice every few months in the wild.

>>20723159
Don't lie, it clearly says Ryona Yamashita.

>>20723486
Anyone got a serious answer to this?

>>20723967
I'm not even sure what you're trying to say

>>20723967
nobody even knows what you are talking about

linguistards lmao

>>20723967

no idea what a present positive is m8. use some Japanese examples if you want an answer

>どう見てもそうとしか思えない
what the fuck?

whats ur issue

that's one of the most clearly written japanese sentences i've seen in a while

>>20724010
So this is the power off exclusive readers?

>>20724013
tell me where i'm fucking up.
>どう見ても
no matter how you look at it
そう
seems like/that way
としか思えない
doesn't seem more than

no matter how you look at it, it doesn't seem anything more than that?

>>20724036
At the last part.

>>20724036

しか~ない means "can only"

"No matter how I look at it, I can only assume that that's the case"

keep grinding anki till your dick falls off

そうとしか
思えない

>>20724036
どう見ても
no matter how u look at it

そうとしか
like that otherwise

思えない
cannot think

no matter how u look at it (i/you) can only think that its like that

>>20724049
>>20724052
>>20724064
ty but if i can barely piece that stuff together it's clear i have no chance.

>>20724072
its ok just keep reading and you will acquire all that grammar eventually

>>20724072
It means you're a read-only drone. Stop doing that.

someone fill me in on the "read drone" guy

any of you ever lived in japan? I was in tokyo for a year (lived 5mins from akihabara for a while)

my japanese didn't improve much though cause I didn't really speak to anyone in japanese lmao

>>20724085
You don't magically absorb the language just by being there.

>>20724085
I went to a convention once and I exchanged 2 or 3 words with a middle aged japanese lady. It's been smooth sailing ever since.

manga on wall
piss in my jug

matts in his room alls right with the world

>>20724085
tokyo is the most international city in nippon and consequentially the worst to live in if you want to immerse yourself in japanese

>>20724097

yeah obviously, but i figured the immersion would help my listening/reading improve a bit. I was already in between n2 and n1 when I went and I passed n1 the summer I was there, but didn't really feel like my listening skills or reading speed improved from seeing/hearing every day. I think you probably need like 2-3 years to really acclimatise to it

it doesnt matter where u live in japan if u dont put urself in situations to hang out with japanese folks and chill and learn and just good vibes

>>20724128

maybe im racist but most japanese people are just too boring to be friends with. the only interesting people I met were old druggies who were on microdosing LSD half the time but it's hard to have a proper conversation in any language with these people

it doesnt matter if you have a wall of manga you need to pee in jugs

almost always like 99.99999% of the time if u think its everyone elses problem its actually just ur problem

>>20724141
>most people are just too boring to be friends with
ftfy

nick was right after all

>>20724155

yeah this is accurate. i think the problem with language learning is you're just expected to talk to random people, as if anyone actually wants to go to a pub or something and just chat to random cunts

that being said, japanese people are brought up to confirm and consequently a lot of them have the exact same personality. the interesting ones are all societal outcasts

Humour me, is it bad to read Tae Kim slowly instead of all in one go like the guides suggest?

>>20724141
with that mindset you're never getting along with 99% of this planet m8

>>20724177

im fine with that desu, I'm a hiki at heart

moving to nippon and getting my shitty ass filled with nihon peepee

>>20724175
read it many times and reread certain sections as necessary.

relistening to anime doesnt interest me anymore and audio books dont interest me when i can just read the actual book. give me your best podcasts to listen to i wanna go full sicko mode on a cool podcast and listen to them all

New Matt video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm_O2I3i2nE
00:23 - What are your plans regarding moving to Japan?
02:30 - When and how to go about dropping the SRS? (My life post SRS)
07:25 - Tae Kim: is "essential grammar" enough? (Theory vs Practice applied to grammar)
14:27 - Pitch accent of names and places?
18:50 - Should I up my active immersion?
21:31 - Current thoughts on reading before listening? (New thoughts on the order of learning)
35:17 - How to approach words with multiple meanings?
37:14 - What do you think of MCDs? What about normal production cards?
42:03 - How to grade monolingual sentence cards
45:08 - Lazy Kanji clarification
46:28 - Immersion while high? Weed and language acquisition
48:55 - How to develop a personality in your L2
56:35 - Bonus: a recent story from school. Incompetence of professors and how to master classical Japanese.

i broke my 2 day streak of reading 80 pages in oreimo 2 today

>>20724100
manga on my wall
piss in my jug
watchin gaijin fall
livin like a thug

>>20724431
>a recent story from school. Incompetence of professors
savage i cant wait to see my boy matty ice tell me how he dominated the classroom with his complete command over maa chotto maa

>>20724432
woulda been better if you posted a picture of a translation but you gave me a little smile so good on you

>>20724431
based

>>20724106
>in his room
repping hard i hope

>>20724431
With all the themes laid out like that it's even more cancerous.

>>20724431
>moving after i graduate from college
What's he studying in university?

>>20724513
i think cs

>>20724537
based

Someone clip the video from 24:56-25:03

i deeply regret clicking the vid to go to that time stamp

https://streamable.com/lgzue

>>20724595

itiban tuyoi im losin my shit right now

>>20724595
ワロタぜlmao

What are you reading /djt/?™

Me pic related.

that lil bit of 迷い at the end was 一番かわいい

>>20724595
what's he trying to convey?

>>20724627
oh look reader of garbage #589467587 appears

>>20724632
that hes such a smart cookie he can intuitively understand that speaking like that is anime and not used in every day situations
he goes on to say that anime became his base style of speaking though and real nihongo is like a set of synonyms of his anime vocabulary
seems like he still doesnt realize that thats because he reviewed his favorite anime sentences for thousands of hours instead of reading more

>>20724644
That's not what he said.

>>20724632
that he is itiban tuyoi obv

i cant wait for the day matt gets roped into a japan variety show and gets tarred and feathered on tv like many others that came before him like davido etc

>>20724659
feel free to correct it
>>20724663
dont worry he wouldnt do anything cringe hes on top that

matt-sama is poetic and elegant, do not defame him please

>>20724633
>imagine being so pathetic you critisize someone for having taste different than yours

It's not like your opinion matters anyway.

defame THIS
*whips out famous nihongo youtuber*

>>20724670
>>20724644
>he goes on to say that anime became his base style of speaking though and real nihongo is like a set of synonyms of his anime vocabulary
He literally said that because he read a lot of light novels, that became his base style of speaking. He said when he speaks without filtering he sounds like a book.

>>20724678
who are you quoting

>>20724676
i can imagine his followers watching that thinkin ohhhh shiiiit maasama is so good that if he was drunk hed still sound like a poet god i wish that were me

>>20724681
no what he said is that he sounds not only poetic but also elegant, do not defame him please

>>20724681
yeah and then he said what i said after

>>20724678
im not really criticizing u just more the thing u posted which is factually garbage second only to my posts

daily matt thread

>>20723153
Sauce

>>20724704
based yossy

Nuke said he thinks the monolingual transition is gay and pointless. Anyone know his reasons?

>>20724723
Nobody should ever take Nuke seriously, the guy has studied Japanese for years and is still a beginner.

reread the end of the first sentence of ur post and ull see the reasons were always clear

>>20724723
cuz it's a waste of time.

>>20724537
>>20724552
he majored in japanese for the "easy degree" IIRC. he has an interest in programming and said he'd try to learn it but IDK if he did, and if he decided to switch his major.

its actually fucked up nuke said something good and true despite being trash as fuck

>>20724735
he dropped out before he got it and is going back with another major which i think is cs

哺乳類 - mammal

哺乳類 - 哺乳綱の脊椎動物の総称。皮膚に毛を生じ、汗腺（かんせん）・乳腺などがあり、子を乳で育てる。肺呼吸をし、鳥類とともに恒温性で、心臓は完全に二心房二心室の四つに区画される。大脳半球が大きく発達。単孔類以外は胎生。中生代三畳期の後期に爬虫（はちゆう）類から分かれ、新生代に急速に繁栄。現生種は有袋・食虫・翼手・霊長・食肉・クジラ・偶蹄（ぐうてい）・奇蹄・長鼻・齧歯（げつし）・ウサギなど一九目約四三〇〇種に分類。

>>20724723
cause he cant understand j-defs yet. i agree when you already can with no problem that whatever you use is fine. i usually just use whatever comes up on google first these days most times its a j-def but sometimes its a translation and i dont care which it is niggaz

>>20724741
look at all that quality fucking immersion nuke is missing out on

>>20724741
relax dude i dont wanna read romeo right now

Anki is shit and a waste of time and you'll never learn japanese using it

go to 1:02:44 for some lols
matt should become an american japanese teacher if he's dunking on college professors

脇腹

Kyou ha no Nihongo Kotoba obu za Dee
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm34485668

Today I learned that the te form can be used to ask questions.

>>20724776
ぺったんこフェチはさいこうだね

why does matt-sama think ご飯を食べず学校に行きました is offensively unnatural

>>20724759
American students don't respect their teachers and i'm p sure half of his enjoyment of patreon is just having the unwavering trust of a cult that worships him.

Are there any good slice of life anime that are based around males or at least have a male in the main cast I’m addicted to this shit but I don’t want to end up talking like a high school girl.

Hell, even most non-SOL shit I watch mostly have a female protagonist/a primarily female cast. I need some good shit with male characters.

>>20724791
cuz it doesnt sound like his anime mp3s

>>20724747
Fuck I thought I understood what these nukige are all about when I finished my 5th one just the other week after gaining the ability to read japanese using anki.

>>20724796
風が強く吹いている

>>20724796
saiki kusuo no psi nan

>>20724796
it just so happens i have just the thing for u good sir

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-kJQQUJbSY

>>20724796
sangatu no lion
honey and clover
just because

>>20724822
is this naurto

no its not naurto does it like naurto ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm_O2I3i2nE&t=2789
>salvia strands
didnt this boy whip out his grinder on cam before

>>20724796
Suzumiya Haruhi no yuuutsu

>>20724839
i have an angle grinder for when i need to work on something where bringing it to my bench grinder isnt practical

>>20724796
男子高校生の日常 was pretty funny if you ask me.

>>20724859
since u brought it up i guess ill endorse it by saying not only is it the best answer its also the only answer

If I watch nothing but Kamen Rider am I gonna sound like a super hero?

no ull just sound super gay

>>20724871
It's the only one that came to mind. I checked my MAL list and could not find anything else that was mainly men. Or boys in this case.

>>20724877
the one time you forget to laugh at your own joke and it's actually funny.

careful youre about to make me break the 4th wall

>>20724791
Like him or not, you can't deny he's really good at Japanese.

is anki 2.1 better than 2.0 now?

Damn thanks for all the recommendations everyone.

can someone post matt's patron video for formatting anki sentence cards?

Is Anki even a good software?

you CANT learn nihongo

Can people please stop posting MattVsJapan's Patreon videos here? I put a lot of time and effort into them.

Are there any Japanese vloggers? Like people that actually go out and do shit?
>vloggers
Yeah yeah most are absolutely insufferable, I agree. Not interested in that J-vlog gaijin garbage. I’m curious about native 日本 ones though. I’ve never come across one, but I have to imagine some exist right?

lmao nihongo is so bad nihongonese ppl prefer to use english xddd

>>20724946
not alone

>>20724897
you see i thought he was, but that complaint about his teacher is weird

>>20724955
Yes you can

>>20724949
Give up, they're just as insufferable when they're Japanese. It takes a certain type of person. Get into virtual youtubers or something instead.

>>20724958
not with a 4chan's guide

I'm currently taking the cure dolly pill. Thanks to that anon who insulted me and told me to watch dolly sensei.
My biggest fear which was grammar is really not that difficult and more simple and easy that I thought.
I'm gonna make it bros

>>20724969
just don't watch her new videos where she denounces english subtitles and tells you to do flashcards

>>20724965
4chan guide is pretty good mate

>>20724976
she's correct on both of those things tho wtf

>>20724932
There aren't any videos about that on his patreon.

>>20724984
if you think this there is no helping you and you're going to grow up to be like a certain someone we know

>>20724981
>Learn kana
>Memorize Kanji with a flashcard game without writing them
>watch anime
Great guide, yes

>she

Any tips on how to manage studying with work and school? It's getting harder and harder to focus and I feel like giving up at this point

>>20725006
please respect cure dollys pronouns

>>20724976
Flashcard helped me a lot to learn kanji.
It's not that bad

>>20725019
become a neet

>>20725019
Sure is nice being a NEET watching 8 hours of anime a day. Enjoy Japanese in the slow lane, wagecuck hahahahaha

>>20725019
You need to fail your studies if you want to become good at nihongo.

>>20725019
if you want to learn japanese there's no option but to stop doing work and school

>>20725033
>learn kanji

>>20725019
Yes, stop all human contact outside of work and school and your productivity will explode

Be honest, guys..

Do you watch the OP/ED every time?

>>20725058
no. dumb question

>>20725058
nah senpai I watch my anime on Netflix

>>20725058
yes unless it's particularly boring

>>20725058
Only the ones with good songs or with ecchi in the OP/ED.

>>20725000
anki is a meme
watching anime, reading manga and lns to mine words is legit

>>20725058
I watch the OP during the first episode I watch per session, and the ED during the last. If it's a currently airing show I watch both.

WIkipedia says I need 3000-4800 hours of study in order to pass N1. Let's consider 4800 hours, since I am a slow learner.
Studying 2 hours a day it'll take 2400 days, more than 6 years and an half. So if I started today I'd able to speak fluently nihongo in 2025/26. Cool

>>20725058
I loop them a few times while I sing along.

>>20725080
this guy is japanese

>>20725033
Yeah but can you write them now?

>>20725041
I failed my engineering studies. Guess I am gonna learn nihongo

>>20725042
So, is it impossible to learn japanese if I already have a job?

Do you ever see Jamal off /djt/ except when he is sleeping? Because I don't - there's your answer.

>>20725102
>find office job
>learn japanese all day
>get paid
What's the problem?

>>20725102
Not at all. You only have to quit your job.

>>20725077
you can pass n1 in 1500-2000 hours.

>>20725110
1700–2600 hours if you already now Kanji

>>20725077

fyi, N1 does not mean 'speak fluently'. i have N1 but i can barely speak japanese. it's a reading comprehension test mainly.

>>20725073
>anki is a meme
Is there anything better?

>>20725077
With that mindset you'll never suceed, surrender your soul to the nihongo gods and start studying.
Also remember to watch 8-10 hours of anime a day.

>>20725121
gotta temper your expectations can kanken guy even speak fluently
i mean the original kanken guy not the djt kanken guy
>>20725130
eroge

>>20725131
What should I do with the other 8-10 hours?

>>20725121
Yeah, I see there isn't an oral exam. Kinda stupid

>>20725153
masturbate to things like this
https://exhentai.org/g/1015273/4054af0422/

>>20725153
Read eroge. It's by far the best way to study and to learn new words. You can also jerk off to release stress whenever you need to.

>>20725131
>Also remember to watch 8-10 hours of anime a day.
That's the hardest part. I can't watch an anime if I don't like it. And since I am a shitty elitist I never find good anime

>>20725170
then just play 16-20 hours of eroge

>>20725170

you can't really dislike an anime if you don't really understand what's going on completely though. this is why i have no problem watching simply as a learning exercise.

>>20725170
Learning japanese requires sacrifice. You'll have to abandon your elitist taste and start waching all kinds of anime, like this https://myanimelist.net/anime/36632/Ore_ga_Suki_nano_wa_Imouto_dakedo_Imouto_ja_Nai

>>20724976
i think the biggest issue with crackpot dolly is they didnt provide any kind of good information as to why they think any of these things it was literally as bad as shit that gets posted in these threads whereas the grammar explanations were while rudimentary most of the time were good and something u werent getting from the average scrubs

>>20725198
u dont have to go that far maybe just this
https://myanimelist.net/anime/17777

What was the first LN you've ever completed? Looking for some simple materials here

>>20725165
You read games?? I mostly use wasd and pointing and clicking.

>>20725174
eroge are shit
I only like 3D idols

>>20725215
>6.39 score
>>20725198
>5.1 score

Not only your taste turns to shit from watching those you also lose on potential nihongo gains from watching garbage.
Just watch death note or hentai

>>20725232
based carubin.

>type some kanji into YouTube
>get a bunch of Chinese videos
Hmmm

he cant even spell his name in japanese how the fuck is he ever gonna make it

>>20725240
>paying attention to mal score
you are aware of the type of people who make use of that website, right?
that aside the shows quality is up to your taste but the nihongo is nihongo nonetheless

hes obviously trying to troll u cuz ne1 with half a brain knows the input of eops on something as epic as anime is quite frankly meaningless because they dont even understand what they are watching

>>20725258
yeah but terrible score is still terrible score.
That 5.1 score however is probably due to the extreme quality of the show though so it's fabricated.

>>20725203
dolly didnt defend their grammar explanations either but yeah it not bein somethin you can find in a hundred other places in eigo was fundamental to it bein worth watchin
even if it was trash at least unique trash is somethin

>>20725263
does everyone here really have half a brain though

>>20725265
^ yeah see

>>20725232
not gonna make it

>>20725266
the grammar shit is mostly verifiable cuz its based on facts

stop using evasive pronouns guys dolly is a girl

>>20725244
Is he really stilll this bad? He should have know all of those a long time ago. He needs to just give up..

>>20725280
he probably did give up

Isn't there a decent video course on youtube that teaches you everything?

>>20725102
You can. You just gotta give up on video games. Unless you're playing untranslated nihongo video games.
You can and SHOULD still watch anime, but you will need to limit that as well.
So let's say you work 9 to 6. You get home at 7. Eat and rest a bit until 8. Either study for college or whatever for like half an hour every day, or only study for college when you have exams. Can't help you there.
Use the rest of your time to expose yourself to as much Japanese as you can. If you're too tired to study, watch something and do your best to listen to the words.

>>20725300

watch every episode of one piece and you'll be fluent by the time you've caught up

>>20725230
oreimo 1. pretty damn easy

>>20725121
I know ESLs that can read/write perfect English but can't speak it at all because they don't want to even though they have used the language for over a decade daily.

>>20725280
two days ago he almost made it he got so close to full enlightenment the only thing that was missin was eroge but then he said some shit about likin flash cards and it was like it was all for nothin

>>20725309
that's less than 300 hours, you would have to watch them all 33 times

>>20725303
Forgot to add: you're only allowed to visit 4chan for this thread.
Also, you're not allowed to have a social life even if by some miracle you start having one.

Also, never expect it to end. Even if you think you know Japanese, if you quit exposing yourself to the language, you'll forget.

>>20725324
>if you quit exposing yourself to the language, you'll forget.
what about when whats his name savagely dominated nuke when he hadnt even immersed yet for the day check and mate

>>20725311

yeah i mean for me i just don't really give a shit about being able to speak japanese, so i never bothered putting effort into it. don't really listen to much japanese either so my input/output hours are really low.

>drop out of higher education
>invest in crypto-currency
Now you can learn 日本語

>>20725324
This.
I only managed to retain what I've learned so far because I either read or watch works in japanese every day. Think of it as a muscle that will become weak if you don't regularly train it

My hours per day is the same amount of time it takes to review anki

>>20725230
イリヤの空、UFOの夏
picked on a whim but ended up enjoying it a lot
it's not ridiculously simple but also not advanced, should be fine for someone looking to take the next step to LNs
expect heavy dictionary use no matter what you start

>>20724796
Terrace House: Opening New Doors

What it really works out to is you forget 95% of everything, and that 5% of your day that sticks is usually what your subconscious deems important. If you do a bunch of shit in english then your subcon won't think you need japanese and you're fighting unwineable battle. You're hardly ever aware of it but stuff bounces around in your head after you're exposed to it. If that stuff bouncing around in your head is english you're not learning japanese. You're just being fooled into thinking you are by yourself.

>>20725366
should add don't watch the anime it fucking sucks

anki was a mistake.

>>20725303
Why would he want to limit how much anime he watches?

https://youtu.be/TcvwGfPFCK8?t=495

Ah. Nuke stopped using Japanese definitions in his pop-up dictionary when reading. Also, why did he stop reading LNs and now is just reading Japanese subtitles?

Much to my own shame, I haven't revised my mining deck in about three months. I'd ready to get back on the horse, but part of me wonders if I should reset my progress? I'm about 1500 words in.

Something that's encouraging me to do so is the fact that my Anki routine is a daily learning lesson, then two revision lessons of forgotten words. I'm able to set a review limit for my learning session, but not my review sessions so I end up with more revision than I can handle. Does anyone know how I can control this?

>>20725382
Because studying > hearing.
So if you kinda know some Japanese, then you stop studying in favor of watching anime all the time, you'll inevitably forget a lot of things, including kanji.
I've been there

>>20725372
guess that means i need to start shitposting on a non-english chan

>>20725372
hontoo nara dekkeeeee
>>20725379
oh no

anki is only a mistake if you're not doing 350 words per week

>>20725388

i don't understand how this dude is still at it. i started doing RTK like 2011, and he was on the RTK forum posting shit and seemed like he had been there for ages at the time. and he's still doing the same shit.

mindboggling.

>>20725402
I would give up if my retention was that shitty.

>>20725379
do u know japanese yet

>>20725406
I think ever since he discovered matt-sama he's changed is ways and might actually be progressing.

>>20725379
You do really well... then you slow down. That learning is in bursts. Clearly go a little slower and more evenly. You must have a lot of mature cards.

>>20725396
Yeah let me know where those genki books and YouTube tutorials get ya, bud

>>20725379
>1872 hours
Now you should be able to pass N1

>>20725407
Thats actually a good retention rate lol, 75%-85% is ideal fool

>>20725396
t. upper beginner

>>20725402
Somebody on reddit studied a lot that week. He cropped off the month though.

>>20725431
I dont go to reddit and I cropped off the month because I wasn't doing the deck until 3 weeks ago

>>20725423
>>20725411

i already passed n1 last summer

>>20725416

it's not really 'bursts', i mean we're talking about periods of years here. the times when i haven't been going that hard on learning i was just busy, and ive decided to just give up on anki recently cause i dont really need it now

>>20725435
lol

>>20725437
do you know japanese though

>>20725437
>i already passed n1 last summer
So, you should be able to work in Japan, right now. If not then what's the point of taking JLPT?

>>20725445

nope

>>20725402
Just press good on everything how is anki hard lmao

>>20725454
How is it possible? If you watch an anime, a live action, a drama, akbingo, etc... you dont understand a thing?

>>20725452

i don't really want to be a 社畜 in japan. i just took it because i wanted to see if i could pass

Is 2 hours a day a good amount of studying?
Thinking about using the intervals at work to study

>>20725464

if it has japanese subtitles i can probably understand 95% of it. without subs probably 65% on average.

my listening comprehension in english is pretty shit too tho, i usually watch with subs in english anyway. my brains just not very good at aural processing

>>20725479
Any amount is good as long as you don't waste it on things like anki. The most important thing is being consistent.

>>20725481
Your listening is shit because you fall back to subs every time. If you stopped using subs you would improve.

>>20725481
>>20725454
my fucking condolences dude
the "i dont even know english" back out is super lame and i bet you probably barely read or watched cartoons at all over the course of those 90 months but still u are the type of person i wish did not exist on djt for everyones good including his own

>>20725489
>Your listening is shit because you fall back to subs every time. If you stopped using subs you would improve.

i didn't say i watch w/ subs. i'm just saying if it has subs my comprehension improves dramatically. i've watched everything without subs for a couple of years or so. admittedly i don't really watch a lot though.

you wish he did not exist but he has to exist for if he did not exist djt may not be shit

>>20725489
>things like anki
but most anons who passed jlpt used anki to learn kanji

>>20725497
hold on is this nukemarine

もしもし

>>20725503
I assumed they wanted to learn japanese.

Somebody post the webm where matt starts talking while the other guy listens and acts as if he was in pain

>>20725503
>learn kanji

>>20725490
> i bet you probably barely read or watched cartoons at all over the course of those 90 months

you're right, i don't really like anime/manga. i'm just here to make this thread worse. i read like 3 manga series during that period.

>>20725230

I read all of the GJ-bu light novels. They were pretty manageable, since every chapter is four pages to resemble a four panel comic.

>>20725406
You've been studying Japanese for 8 years! What the fuck are you still doing here. You should be shit posting on 2ch or someplace.

challenge urself stop picking the ez shit
come watch yojo senki with me in my crib

You'd probably put your hands on my leg. I'll pass.

くそ見抜かれたか :-)

>>20725529

desu this is the first time ive come on to this board since like 2015, i just wanted to see what the standard japanese learning meme techniques are now

>>20725542
how does it make you feel that i started learning in 2015 and im leagues better than u

>>20725542
no it's not you have the contemporary djt shitposting style down, why are you telling lies

>>20725517
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gwgWlsRu7w

The dude is sorry because he mistook the stroke order of one kanji

>>20725542
theres the matt camp and theres the eroge camp im the self declared leader of the latter tis a duty i take on humbly

>>20725549

maybe im just naturally suited for this stuff m8. genuinely never even been in a djt thread before today

>>20725547

doesn't really bother me at all. there's always gonna be someone better than you at everything :)

stroke order is a meme
why should i give a fuck about it

>>20725230
Kinos.
Fuckin.
Tabi.
Bitch!

>>20725572

it only matters if you want to be able to write like a japanese person. if your stroke order is all fucked up then you won't be able to write quickly/cursively and have it look right.

it also kind of helps with memorising the characters if you arent writing them all differently

i talked to a japanese person on skype today and she wrote 満喫 instead of 漫喫. even japanese niggas huh

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaICD6XJma5-H4NQIiKpX5g
is this a good channel to learn kanji and grammar? It's not in the 4chan's guide

>>20725589
>満喫
>japanese
>person

>>20725601
this is 4channel, kiddo

>>20725601
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaICD6XJma5-H4NQIiKpX5g
>good channel
>4chan guide

>>20725609
>20725609
>4channel
>kiddo

Does anyone have access to Matt's interview with nitbean? found here:

https://www.patreon.com/posts/interview-with-2-16483471

>>20725622
Stop being addected to stupid eceleb bullshit and start learning Japanese

>>20725422
>unironicaly shitting on Genki
Why?
I'm past it already, but I think it's definitely the best option for any beginner.

>youtube
This one's useless, yes.

>>20725572
reading handwriting & certain typefaces is easier if you are familiar with shortcuts which are affected by stroke order, so if you like reading japanese you're just going to learn it to some extent anyway so you're not confused by sloppy garbage
also handwriting recognition is a lot better if you know stroke order, so you can look up kanji faster

it's not particularly hard to learn so i don't see why people obsess over it being a meme

>>20725622
just give the guy 5 bucks whats it to ya

>>20725646
mina genki

>>20725602
whats this post even mean

hai genki desu yo :-)

when will i ever become ogenki desuka

twf u know japanese but read at 130文字/分 because u spent years listening to epic cartoons and radio for years instead of reading

>>20725665
its for nihongo only dont bother trying eop

>>20725694
You don't know japanese.