/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>20655639
>Don't listen to any advice from DJT
they say the same thing about here btw.

so what is that ツッコミ i keep seeing everywhere

op was referring to this thread brainiac

the person who cuts into the middle of a joke to lampshade it so that that audience knows that the current point in narrative flow is a point where a joke is occurring and meant to be understood, much like the detective's aide in a murder mystery pointing out possible clues

btw glad were back to the status quo op with the sicko subliminal text in the image

>>20655639
>Remember: Don't listen to any advice from DJT
Finally, a good OP

>>20655639
>>20655707
same fag

Who here posts on /djt/ but doesn't actually study japanese?

btw if you want to understand the true nature and purpose of the TUKKOMI look no further than the anime adaptation of d-frag

>>20655700
>implying anyone who browses this thread can read it

>>20655709
fuck off

btw if theres anything in this thread to learn from its this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45Ekd6KKXpg#t=16

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjx0-vu4sdY

boys i only have 600 words left but i already wanna give up on vncore

>>20655719
How old is this guy, he looks like he's in his late 40s, and considering he's japanese then he's probably in his 60s

>>20655731
i never thought id have a reason to say this in a djt but

cocaine is a helluva drug

>>20655730
>only 1250 cards
>151 suspended
NOT

GONNA

MAKE IT

>>20655730
wtf are those stats? you doing 1 card a day or something?

>>20655730
dude go for it it's designed to get given up on like used goods

might wanna go through those suspended cards tho just to make sure you're not missing anything super important like まんこ or 今日

>>20655735
those are the basic words i know so well that i just suspend them

>>20655738
it probably averages out to like 3 a day or some shit since i usually don't bother doing new cards for like a week and then i do 40 new ones at once.

>easiest deck in existence
>151 suspended
>only half way through

lmfao behold flashtards

>>20655744
Just do 10-20 per day. I did 40 per day and was fine and finished it in a month, then matured it the following month. It's a pretty big boost. You should add audio to it though.

>>20655746
stop dude leave me alone

if you wanna get good at listening just do what all the poor european kids do for english: watch youtube

and by youtube i mean nico nico douga
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm25348572

>>20655757
i cant just let you self harm

i was taught if you see something say something

oh that was from an anti bullying ad

考え中 emoji

>>20655754
i probably should. the reason i didn't is that i didn't want to devote that much time per day to the deck but if i had just kept doing 20 a day i'd have finished by now and wouldn't have to devote much time to it so i fucked myself.

I think I'm hitting my limit with kanji. I keep mixing up the kanji that I -should- know with the newer ones that I just learned through vocab.
Shit is really getting confusing.
Perhaps I should take the RTK pill after all?

maybe u should just learn japanese and then u can associate the kanji with japanese instead of cramming them all soullessly up ur butt

>when you shove the time-corrected-subs folder into a word frequency list generator but show-specific words rank among the most frequent because shows with higher amounts of episodes skew the rankings and ideally you'd only analyze the words of 5 episodes per show but that'd require some advanced math or programming and you're low IQ

>>20655817
Turns out that the biggest stumbling block of the language is the biggest stumbling block of the language for the reason. So yes, "just immerse lol" is stupid and you should do individual kanji study.

why the fuck do u need to do any of that

>>20655834
because y'all are a bunch a jap-loving niggers?

i never did isolated kanji study and i can read just fine yolo don't waste your time

now thats いい調子

>>20655937
yeah obviously
but if you want to go beyond that 90% of understanding you need RTK

no you really dont

you can understand just fine and not know the kanji or even the fuckin word

this is the true advanced level secret to reading japanese

this is why shit like matts muramasa video is hilarious

by what fucking fuck up logic can rtk give anyone anywhere the last 10% of understanding anything
do you have any idea what rtk contains
do you have any idea what the last 10% of japanese is actually like
shut the fuck up and don't soapbox about things you have no understanding of or experience in
holy shit beginners who think they know it all because they read some idiot's blog or watched all his youtube videos are the worst

dang at least i responded to the rtgay troll post knowing it was a troll post

u actually are gettin chippy there

btw i just lolled at the idea someone took わたしはゲイ and just pasted it in a random streamer chat ahahaha

Any anime recommendation where the characters talk normal japanese?
The aria series were really good in this regard.

starting today I'm going to watch 25 episodes of raw anime every day. how long until I know japanese?

>>20656100
Naruto

@20656130
>

>>20656128
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTxicLxNCtY#t=92

this is and always will be the answer

even if they're """trolling""" they're still actually stupid and deserve to be treated as such

中 = なか, if with other kanas

中 = ちゅう, if with kanji

but what if alone?

???????????
??????
???
??
?

what do u mean what if alone

if alone i think china dude

>>20656291
if only 中 is on page, how to pronounce

btw scroll up here and tell me ur thoughts on this >>20655763

that one dude on reddit who learned nip by reading VNs 7 hours a day says rtk helped him

>>20656301
heh i guessed it was read ちゅう cuz it sounded cooler and plus you implied that it would be read that way by contradicting his understanding of how the readings work hehhh

u can do rtk and itll work like it says

but u dont have to

thats it do whatever if u want rtk instead of more anime have at it

>>20656312
dang if only u could put this inductive reasoning to work for learnin japanese ud be epic

>>20656318
too much work man

rtk won't prevent you from learning japanese and it's not technically worthless, it's just a complete waste of time because there are so many better, faster, more enjoyable, and less time consuming ways to get what it does for you

well

if u look at japanese and think english keywords all the time you are kinda perma crippled

>>20656281
ahh i always thought 中出し was nakadashi.. but its chuudashi.. thanks for the lesson

yeah but you can get over it
whether it's worth doing it to yourself in the first place is another question entirely

厨二出したゲーム

>>20656362
umm no its chuusyutushi

and this leads me to one of my favorite words

syutugeki <-- wtf is this ??

出撃する: to sort

like the お洗濯 ??

who even 出撃s their laundry

idk dude prolly some 立派な大人s

>>20656421
why are you interested in this word so much

>>20656523
it wasn't me who brought it up, you should ask >>20656405

Why hasn't vncore spread beyond /jp/djt yet?

im not the guy who originally posted it all the time tho its just grown on me and today i kept it alive

So how was the VN core deck made?

>>20656569
http://wareya.moe/extra/freqlist.txt

>>20655730
Unsuspend everything and change to tag only for leach holy shit anon

>>20655832
I'm gonna have to agree with jamal here, I don't see how individual kanji study is absolutely necessary

I remember reading a comment from stevelingo where he said it's better to just learn the first 1000 kanjo deliberately and after that just pick the rest as you ho.

>>20656577
read, motherfucker, read
>>20655742

>as you ho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdPB48vmWIA#t=5

>>20656581
as you go along.*

nah its confirmed yall be hella thot

>>20655730
What kind of deck is this with only 1k? I thought everyone here took the 2k / 6k deck ??? I'm old and outdated, you guys no longer do the 2k / 6k ??

>>20656616
>implying you need more than just a couple hundred words to start reading
Get with the times gramps.

u do need mpre than a couple hundred words to start reading

thats what the 10000 hours of eng subbed anime is for youll be knowin words u didnt even know u knew once u start unleashing the denki dama that u built inside u

>>20656616
core 2k/6k were always mocked for being bad, the problem is that no significantly better deck existed

and it turns out that you get the most benefit out of shared decks from the first 500 to 1000 words anyways, after that if you want to continue using anki you need to cut the shared decks and start mining

>>20656629
what about the people who swear that core6k and even core10k were useful because they continued encountering words from them.

>>20656641
sunken cost fallacy, their ordering is really bad and you're going to "continue encountering" any word in the top 20k most frequent once you actually start consuming japanese

>>20656641
ankiwhore here
I can confirm I still encounter words from core6k everyday, I'm at around 4k mark

>>20656650
why grind the most frequent 500 words if you'll encounter them often while reading. why is that the magical cut off point.

>>20656641
They are useful but I don't see how they're any more useful than just a personal mining deck. Like >>20656650 said you'll encounter them by reading them anyway so what's the point.

>>20656654
because you don't know them yet. and if you do then you suspend them. simple.
"i'm about to learn them" ok sure but who cares you can say that about anything you put into anki

>>20655754
It has audio by default
>>20656578
Thanks

>>20656654
Because knowing 500 words will make reading more easy.

>>20656671
vncore's audio was added a little later, some people have a version of it with no audio

>>20656670
>"i'm about to learn them" ok sure but who cares you can say that about anything you put into anki
yea so why do 500 words in anki instead of just looking them up while reading
>>20656676
knowing 3k words will make reading more easy

Your beloved itazuraneko continues to suggest the inexorable 2k for those who are beginning in vocabulary. So the kids nowdays prefer decks with hundreds of words and already venture into readings with the help of yomichan... It sounds like fun

>>20656681
>knowing 3k words will make reading more easy
True but you can already start reading before that so just start.

>>20656681
knowing 3k words doesn't make reading 6x as easy as knowing 500 words

you get the most benefit from the most common words

>yea so why do 500 words in anki instead of just looking them up while reading

if you don't watch 10k hours of anime, it's useful to cut some corners to get to the point where you can consume enough japanese for input to become an effective source of spaced repetition. you don't NEED to, but it's an option. there is no reason to go all the way to 2k or 6k though, people should just start reading whenever they become able to read, which is always very early on.

>>20656685
sorry the djt guide sucking is my fault please forgive me. it's too late to change now, any alterations to it cause both the jp and int threads to erupt into an endless riot.

I'm literally just doing anki because it's so awful that I'm happy to study other topics about the language and even learn more things completely unrelated to japanese.

After I do my anki reps for the day a stone falls off my heart and I can focus on more enjoyable things and anything is more enjoyable than anki.

>>20656616
VNcore deck its in the COR

>>20655742
Nigger, just press easy, are you retarded?

Im completely off. Wtf is vncore? A deck preparing you to play visual novel??

I just finished Zero no Tsukaima volume 3, so I decided I could finally watch the first season of the anime, since they both end at the same point, I think. The anime covers volume 4 in the middle of the series! Fucking anime adaptations moving everything around. Now I know what is going to happen. Well, kind of.

I think I'm becoming one of those "the book was better" people. I never read much in English, so I didn't have much experience with this feeling. Now that I've read ReLIFE and ZnT and compared them to their anime adaptations, the source material is just so much better.

>>20656710
suspending is the right thing to do with things you already know, not pressing easy

anki shouldn't have hard or easy buttons at all desu

>>20656727
thanks for the blogpost djt unironically needed it

come on lets get more blogposting in here

わたしはゲイ

>>20656727
>I'm becoming one of those "the book was better" people
The source material is literally 95% of the time better. People who say that are the ones that care and are right. The others are just casual scum who don't even give a fuck.

however the 5% of the time that the adaptation is better it's so much better that it's unbelievable

>>20656693
When you say "watch 10k hours of anime" you mean with japanese subs like animelon or no subs at all? Im quite curious

eng subs or ur gay

>>20656731
I basically quit 4chan 2-3 months ago. I only come back here 1-2 times a month to share my experiences.

DJT is so bad now that I would say being here actually makes your Japanese worse. The month I quit coming here, I read an entire light novel. Because instead of having DJT open all day and constantly reading shitposts, I just left the LN up on my screen and read a little throughout the day.

so bad ? seems like it had the intended effect for u

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvu9itUS8eU

>>20656767
私は彼じゃない
subs are a distraction. it may be useful to cycle through reading sub and watching raw but youre at the mercy of the honyakusha*

tn note: honyakusha means the person who does the honyaku

if ur worried about the translation ur fuckin up big time

>>20656727
I remember watching it years ago and the main guy said the maid girl had "typical japanese blue eyes", still to this day I wonder what the fuck was he on.

anon NEET here that only focused in learning kanji.
3 moths and I just finish kanjidamage so I know those 1.7k kanji with their both readings. I can easily read NHK and somewhat understand what I'm reading
I haven't read anything about gramma and my vocab is poor.

Now where should I start learning japanese if already know all those kanji?

>>20656819
www何位糞を話している？

>>20656819
you cant learn japanese. try chinese

>>20656819
I recommend reading Tae Kim's guide and then start an anki deck for vocab, you can check the guide on the OP for more info on both of those.

>>20656819
Read a grammar guide and start doing a vocab deck. The same place someone who never studied kanji would start. But you should be able to learn vocab faster than them.

guys, I've been stuck with the 2k/6k deck for some time because I never read your shitposts, I just clicked the link to the guide and left 4chan so I just recently discoreved the vcore superiority. I have little time, so I'm around 1k. Do you recommend to I finish at least 2k and start reading? Drop and start the vncore? Or I be brave and finished 6k?

>>20656788
>Because instead of having DJT open all day and constantly reading shitposts
Fuck, that is so true.

What am I doing here, I'm just wasting time, yet I cannot leave.

>>20656850
stop adding new cards and start reading. if reading is difficult then get vncore and suspend or delete any word you already know. your goal is for reading to become comfortable as fast as possible then put anki on the back burner where it belongs, only used to make sure you don't forget important trivial information that you might not encounter regularly if you stray away from certain types of media, like "ah, yes, this is the spelling for 'shubiya', that famous part of that city".

>>20656850
who vcore?

>>20656856
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JjfClL6nogo
extrapolate it to youre situation

>>20656693
>it's useful to cut some corners
why isn't it useful to cut corners with 3k words

>>20656856
get outta here boy or youre gonna be with me forever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okawX34uhq4#t=70

>>20656710
i don't have easy or hard buttons and as you can see from the screenshot my ease factor is fixed at 250% which is how i prefer it.

>>20656725
lots of new years friends but it's a word freq list derived from some vns but i forget how many vns were used.

>>20656863
it literally takes more than 6x as much time/effort (because of reviews)

ISOLATED KANJI STUDY IS GAY REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>20656862
>https://youtube.com/watch?v=JjfClL6nogo
Literally me

>>20656874
over 100

>>20656878
no it doesn't. you hit diminishing returns on reviews/day even earlier than 500 words.

>>20656881
I completely agree. Those who like to lick RTK are the reddit guys.

>>20656886
you have to add 6x as many cards and you're reviewing cards from all the cards you've ever added, not just the most recent 500

diminishing reviews is about growth, not absolute value.

>>20656862
>Jordan Peterson
Well that video is not bad, I'll admit.

>>20656896
>and you're reviewing cards from all the cards you've ever added
the oldest cards will be easiest and you'll be reviewing them less often. the difference in effort between 500 and 3k is nowhere near 6 times. instead of doing 500 words in anki you should do 20k to cut corners before reading.

>>20656913
you seem to have read "time/effort" as "effort". i wrote "time/effort", not "effort".

>Remember: Don't listen to any advice from DJT

>>20656856
Just close the tab and keep an LN open. Check back in a month and realize you made the correct decision.

>>20655719

>>20656922
you seem to not have a point.

If you're going to be like that you might as well do 50k words before reading.

>>20656934
sunken cost.

>>20656929
holy shit id hide my windows username too with a bookmark bar like that lmfao ur the kid from that jordan peterson vid

>>20656935
sounds about right. if learning 500 is better than reading then so is 50k.

>>20656934
Might as well do Core 36k before you start reading if the time you spend in Anki doesn't matter.

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/889433079

" This deck was throw together very quickly and is likely to contain a small number of minor errors.

However, it is almost certainly still a better idea to use this deck than one of the popular Core 2k/6k decks, because the frequency lists those decks were derived from were so low-quality.

This is version 2! "

Is this the "current" version?

>>20656941
hey

did you know?

some words are more common than others

why is my reading so much better than my listening. like I can easily understand novels but not anything slightly complicated in spoken form. I listen everyday for almost a year.

>>20656950
then you'll encounter those words more often while reading. no need for anki.

>>20656956
nobody ever said or implied that there was a need for anki

>>20656959
oh ok. then never bring up doing 500 words in anki again.

>>20656966
this is your brain on being a bitter ex-ankidrone

>>20656969
i like anki tho

>>20656976
are you the "3k is the best time to start reading" idiot

>>20656976
honestly because your arguments are incoherent and mutually contradictory the only conclusion i can draw is that you're bitter about past arguments about anki and have learned to be manipulative to try to heal your shame

that ain't happening

>>20656955
this is really strange because japanese is a language with very simple phonetics

>>20656981
no. learning a word via anki never magically starts or stops being a good idea. it either works or doesn't. you have to be all in or all out on the idea.

>>20656989
are you joking? i will mentally chokeslam you dude

>adverbial/prepositional phrases written mainly in hiragana, often with a slangy inflection

kill me

>>20656993
take your medication

>>20656993
>never magically starts or stops being a good idea
to clarify i mean from an efficiency standpoint. the more fun reading is the less need for anki there is. but reading won't magically become enjoyable at 500 words so it's a dumb cutoff point.

>>20656991
The thing is when listening I will hear what someone says and not understand it but hear the words and think to myself "if this was written I definitely would understand it"

perapera ftw

>>20656998
nobody ever said it was a cutoff point. you are reading things that were not written.
>>20656629
>you get the most benefit out of shared decks from the first 500 to 1000 words anyways

>most benefit out of shared decks

>>20657007
still applies. you get the most benefit out of shared decks at word 323. or word 1204. nonsense.

>>20657004
This is definitely lack of listening practice. Train silly conversations and keep evolving.

>>20657017
yeah i'm sure that doing 30k words from a shared deck gives you so much more knowledge than 6k that you might as well memorize an entire dictionary no fuck off lad what the fuck is going through your head what kind of fucked up obsession do you have that's making you say this crap are you one of those idiots who's unironically using core10k

>>20657029
>you might as well memorize an entire dictionary
about as sensible as stopping at word 500
>who's unironically using core10k
no

wowzers relax squiddos i know what yall need

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5y4L4bneyM#t=77

>>20657033
>>you might as well memorize an entire dictionary
>about as sensible as stopping at word 500
you say this, but it's completely indefensible if you think about it for even a moment

the 30k least common word is obviously not as important as the single most common word, and there is a much larger number of uncommon words than common words

you are quite literally just making insubstantial statements with no basis that can be easily falsified if you define any part of them in any way at all.

what are you trying to defend?

no, seriously, you are extremely incoherent and self-contradictory, you have to be trying to defend something that is not actually directly related to the topic at hand.

What are you trying to defend? Who hurt you? Why are you doing this to yourself?

>>20657029
After completing the 6k or + deck a person will definitely be able to read more complex things than those who didntt do the 6k. In other words, you waste more time doing something boring (6k deck), but read better. While the guys making simpler decks spend less time with the pain-in-the-ass anki, but struggle when they begin to read. its only a personal taste: Either you postpone suffering, or you face suffering in the beginning. You will suffer anyway.

In walkthroughs 任意 means optional.
When talking about 緯度, 任意 means arbitrary.
I can't learn japanese

>>20657043
>he 30k least common word is obviously not as important as the single most common word
why does that matter?

if you thought i were any of those things you'd quit responding. what's actually happening is that you're struggling to justify why you should learn the 500 most common words in anki instead of while reading, because any logic you use to justify that can be used to justify memorizing far more words in anki.

>>20657061

it is extremely useful, if you do not already know it, to learn in advance that する is a verb that basically means "do" and can turn nouns into verbs.

it is not very useful to learn in advance the definition of some six-kanji compound name for some random specific faculty of the government

if you go down a frequency list, there is necessarily a transition from the frequency list being useful to not being useful.

you cannot attempt to claim otherwise, no matter what bullshit logic you try to come up with.

answer my question. why are you arguing about this? what are you trying to win?

>>20657055
u gotta release ur brain from english concepts

>>20656841
我也是研究汉语

>>20656846
Is Tae Kim's guide okay then? I have read that Kim's guide is a meme. For vocab I plan to use Core 2K/6K
Thanks for the advice

guys the only number that matters is 10000

its the amount of hours of eng subbed anime u have to watch : )

>>20657065
>to learn in advance
why not look it up while reading?
>you cannot attempt to claim otherwise
i never said it's less useful to know a more rare word. what i'm contesting is the "500-1000 words then start reading" nonsense you're peddling.

>eng subbed
死ね

The /int/ JDT guys recommend core 6k and they are a lot more advanced than the people in this thread so I'm not too sure about that vncore deck.

Everyone here is beginner level while on /int/ they are already really decent with actual japanese people partaking in the thread too.

>>20657080
>>to learn in advance
>why not look it up while reading?
because you can't read.
>>you cannot attempt to claim otherwise
>i never said it's less useful to know a more rare word.
you sure did, by combination of loving anki and saying that there's no point in stopping using shared decks at any particular point.
>what i'm contesting is the "500-1000 words then start reading" nonsense you're peddling.
i never said or implied anything like that. i always encourage people to read as soon as they are capable of doing so. the 500-1000 word range is a cutoff for forcing themselves to start reading because they've probably extracted as much of a benefit as they can possibly extract from studying anything in isolation without reading; it's supposed to come sooner, and naturally, at a time that is specific to the individual that is learning.

>>20657072
Tae kim is okay, but it does not go deep. If you value a good foundation of grammar like me, Tae kim + DBJG is a good combination.

>>20657072
I used Genki and Tae Kim. Either one is fine.

>>20657052
yep it's all about this

>>20657091
>they are a lot more advanced than the people in this thread
そうですかならここに連れて行ってください話したいから

>>20657091
lol r u sure u went to the djt thread and not the japanese thread ???

>>20657091
The thing is, in /int/ they are less lazy than we are.But both methods are efficient

>>20657105
thread is absolute shit.

>>20657092
>because you can't read.
it's easy to notice those most frequent words.
>and saying that there's no point in stopping using shared decks at any particular point.
in terms of efficiency there isn't. depends on how much you can bear it.
>they've probably extracted as much of a benefit as they can
unsubstantiated nonsense.

>>20657098
lmfao ur not ready dude

i kept a novel open in a tab for 10000 hours
why am i not fluent

>>20657091
just do anki. dont focus on the method of study so much as the study itself. anki gets you learning super fast

>>20657112
お前は日本語わからないぞ

because it wasnt anime with eng subs and u werent watching it

>>20657105
Those method wars existed since the original DJT on /a/. Every method will get you to the goal. Speed depends on your intelligence and your effort, everything else is not that important.

>>20657095
Genki is childish and takes longer, but it works too. Genki seems to be for those who have never even heard the Japanese language. I think most of us here have watched anime enough to have a good ear for Japanese and know some things. Tae Kim is a more solid and straightforward option for grammar.

theres nothin more status quo than the method wars

nothin more status quo than good old taytay or tyler

What do you guys think about japanese the manga way? I don't really care about the comic strips, they are just there to sell the book to weebs. But I think the actual explanations are a lot better than Tae Kim.

>>20657111
>it's easy to notice those most frequent words.
not if you don't know japanese

>in terms of efficiency there isn't. depends on how much you can bear it.
i'm sure that doing core 30k is a lot less efficient than doing the first 100 words from any random core deck then mining the remaining 29900 in the order you need them

>unsubstantiated nonsense
nah, you're saying that it's impossible to substantiate, not that it's unsubstantiated.

if you compare frequency lists derived from completely different kinds of japanese, they are very similar for the first few hundred words, then start diverging, and by the 2k mark they're completely different. the most obvious transition is when the most common generic fill-in words like 皆 and 力 disappear and you start seeing things like 印象 and 発言.

it is entirely possible to substantiate that there is some range where frequency lists stop being useful. you are not arguing about what point at which it is substantiated to be, you are arguing that there is no way to substantiate it.

its a good and ftw book i think but u have to move on dude u guys cant keep living in the beginner materials world

ur like the man child jordan peterson describes

Dude just quit anki after 3k learned words. There is no point in using it after crossing the 3k mark. Just read.

translation note: 3k is not a commonly recommended cutoff point, and there's a random anon who comes to djt once every month or two to insist that 3k is in fact a commonly recommended cutoff point. this is not to say that 3k is or is not a cutoff point, or even anything about whether cutoff points exist, but 3k is NOT a commonly recommended cutoff point. just so you know!

>>20657093
Okay I'm going to do Tae + DBJG and 2k/6k vocab
I will come back in 3 moths and if I haven't master japanese by that time then I will commit sudoku

3k more like 3gay

>>20657145
>not if you don't know japanese
yes it is. plus if you read a grammar guide like tae kim you'll already be somewhat familiar with them.
>in the order you need them
you don't mine what you need but what you want.
>that there is some range where frequency lists stop being useful
and there's absolutely no indication 500-1000 is it.
>you are not arguing about what point at which it is substantiated to be, you are arguing that there is no way to substantiate it.
in terms of learning the words there is no point in which it stops being less useful than reading. in terms of enjoying your study reading becomes more useful much sooner.

>>20657164
i hope u like number puzzles

quit anki after 2750 words. trust me, any more and you'll be learning words that aren't...as...common....but word 2750 is less common than word 733 so....fuck. i'm such a retard!

>>20657139
it's good too. It's all a matter of personal taste. If you liked it, study.

Study is very personal, people are discussing methods, I laugh at that.

Each person studies Japanese in basically the same way: some anki, some grammar, maybe RTK and reading and listening comprehension.

If there were a group of people who studied kanji writing them 50x on a sheet of paper to decorate them, then a discussion would be necessary, but our current methods (independent students) are very similar.

study what you feel best for you

>>20657164
please don't do 6k. pre-shared decks outlive their utility past word 104.

just quit anki right now

i dont care who u r or where ur from or what u did as long as u quit anki

>>20657167
reading is useful the moment you can actually read.

you can force yourself to do nothing but read, but you're going to be spending so much time skipping things you don't understand to get to the words you're learning that you very well might as well just frontload those words.

this is, of course, optional, and it depends on how much the learner hates stress, but it is not valid to say that it is impossible for an absolute beginner to get more benefit out of studying the most common words before reading than reading.

learning about する before you start reading takes less than a minute and leaves you with a significantly higher comprehension than learning it in-place in the particular way it's used when you run into it.

you cannot argue that there is no point where frontloading learning can be better than consuming pure japanese.

How do you say the equivalent of "anyone" or "anything" as in the phrases "Do anyone of these people speak English?" or "Are any of these books under 500 yen?"

>>20657188
>reading is useful the moment you can actually read.
yea 500 doesn't really cut it for that

anyone should be 2 words u fucken esl trash

+でも

>>20657190
誰か
どっちか

>>20657192
I tried reading before core and couldn't do it. Then I tried reading 300 words into core and it was easier, like I could almost understand what I was reading. If 300 is enough to make reading feel like reading then 500 should be good too.

>>20657173
osbcure words, how frequent? infrequent

>>20657182
what? whats wrong with 6k

>>20657188
except する is one of the worst examples

>>20657190
5k is pretty good as well.

>>20657186
Anki is almost common sense between us. The discussion is the amount of time you should spend on anki.

>>20657186
Not until I finish vncore and DoJG dude.

>>20657202
it's not a bad example, but if you think it is then you can replace it with literally any extremely common word like 見る or 今 and the argument remains valid

the discussion much like わたし is ゲイ

>>20657182
>no 5k

well then how do I learn vocab?

>>20657200
No problems with 6k.

Some argue that with vncore (1k) you can already start reading and drop anki. But the 6k will let you in a more comfortable state to read native material, while vncore, despite selecting really super common words, will almost be reading a book with candlelight.

>>20657210
your guide is basical!y "learn a single word"?

>>20657226
I disagree, I started reading after just doing 1k words from Core 2k (which isn't in frequency order, so it's worse) and it was fine.

click here to learn all the vocab u will ever need no flashtarding needed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKV0rE1RlMo#t=147

>>20657227
do you lack object permanence? it's rhetorical. learning a single very common word before you start reading can be better than not doing so, so there is necessarily a point where learning something before you start reading is better than learning it at the same time as reading. the question is where that point is, not whether it exists. in practice the point is different for everyone, but that doesn't mean you can't talk about where it is.

i started reading after 1 word (する) and it was a piece of cake. i used context+dictionary to fill in the rest. don't bother with core2k or vncore.

>>20657243
>can be better than not doing so
not with parsers like yomichan

Reading is always going to feel very unnatural when you first start out, because you're illiterate and your reading speed is unbelievably slow. You get comfortable reading by reading. Anything else you do is only supposed to make it easier to start reading, and if it's not doing that for you then it's worthless. It takes a surprisingly long time (a minimum of several months of daily extensive reading) to develop true fundamental literacy, so you better start reading as soon as you can do it, even if it's uncomfortable.

>>20657247
i use an auto translator but it leaves する untranslated. its basically the same thing suru

>>20657261
yomichan isn't a parser, it's a mouseover dictionary

"reading" by skimming english glosses isn't reading, you need to train your brain to access meaning without going through the dictionary

>>20657229
Of course, extremely basic and silly stuff I guess.

But this is not a problem. The important thing is to start reading. It depends on the person's retention.

6k gives you a solid foundation. Obscure words? Yes, you will find them, but what is the problem? obscure words open many doors

>>20657282
Using inefficient tools when you have good tools is a waste of time. If you never use your good tools then you're just throwing time away.

>>20657274
>yomichan isn't a parser
i might not be using the right term for it but it reveals what are actually words and what aren't.

where can i find core 40k

>>20657294
it doesn't actually do that, all it does is look up the string starting where your mouse is in the dictionary and makes it shorter until it finds a hit

instead of doing 40000 flashcards that have 1 word on them why not just do 1 flashcard with 40000 words on it ??

i actually did a flashcard with 15k words on it last night

because i just keep a tab open

>>20657293
You're right, but the 2k/6k core isn't inefficient. Will take longer? Yes. Will it make you read like 1k does? Yes, but you will read a little bit "BETTER". It's a matter of taste.

>>20657347
Mining the remaining X words is less stressful and makes you more "BETTER", in the same amount of time or less.

Vocab decks are fucking irrelevant. Just do those 20 new words a day and put anki in the corner where it belongs.

>>20657354
Yes, it may be less stressful, but makes reading less enjoyable I guess.

Depends on the person. Mining is really effective, but a good anki deck (6k or even 2k) will make mining less exhausting.You're going mining anyway xD

Post some pictures this isn't a BBS

>>20657378
ｙｉｋｅｓ　ｄｕｄｅ

>>20657378
Ew, normal japanese school students. They look even worse than the average ones in my country.

>he doesn't mine obscure 大字

>>20657400
third from left is super cute

>>20657378
lmao, Almost everyone in this picture clearly needs to do orthognathic surgery

>>20657409
Not really, she is just not ugly like the rest of them. Actually those girls remind me of muslim girls a lot. Very unattractive.

>>20657373
Mining is incidental to reading. If it gets in the way of enjoying reading then you're doing it wrong.

dont all be immature creep weirdos at once now

>>20657378
far left claimed

Isolated kanji study makes it so that you can actually learn what you read and don't need any mining or vocab faggotry.

wtf are those

>>20657409
based and yellow pilled

>>20657400
I'd take second to left over any white girl considered 8/10 or below.
t. ken-sama

Hey guys, Im having problems translating what this person said, and would like help with it. Im not familiar with kanji but based on the ones I know, I assume hes asking for members of the group to play?

Could someone help please

>>20657433
where's 亖?

>>20656929
>looks up yomigaeru
>jisho
>google translate
>only very first chapter of the LN
>furigana for THOSE words
ye come back when you know a bit of japanese

>>20657439
wtf

>>20657417
what are you doing here????

>>20657452
Fuck off back to /r9k/ incel.

>>20656929
how's キノの旅 so far anon

Nevermind think I got it

its time to decide the fate of djt once and for all

https://www.strawpoll.me/17251031

あんたん母ちゃんは大きなゲイ

>>20657514
none of them. Always on on my end are weblio and google handwriting tool

Can you use passive + ageru in this way to mean saseru?

what the fUICK

Yes

>>20657668
Tentacle porn is shit.

>>20657443
>looks up yomigaeru
I saw a word and wondered if it used the same kanji as 蘇る. Can't remember what the word was, that was about a week ago.
>jisho
Ya, using a dictionary when reading in another language. Pretty crazy.
>google translate
For drawing kanji. Don't use it when reading LNs, obviously. Have it open for when I'm watching anime/reading doujins.
>only very first chapter of the LN
I just finished my 3rd LN, so I'm starting a new one.
>furigana for THOSE words
The furigana is from the book. What is your point?

>>20657467
I've literally read 3 pages, but so far it is fine. I'm looking forward to getting into it.

>>20657698
This one has none.

>>20657704
>Can't remember what the word was
蘇生?

Can anyone tell me if the "optimized core 2k / 6k" available on itazuraneko is the one created by nukemarine based on rtk ???

spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8cWM0WNU3s4bUh6bE1ULTFaNlU/view

How do Japanese names work? Why do they sometimes not sound in the same way as the Kanji is supposed to?

やーねー

>>20657824
There's no code to crack. That's the reality that people need to face. Anyone who says they can read japanese names accurately is full of shit, or they mean basic ones like Tanaka.

>>20657817
Ya, that was it. That word came up in my Anki deck, so when I saw it I wondered if it was the same kanji.

>>20657824
Japanese names can be read however people want them to be. If you aren't given a reading, you can only make an educated guess.

>>20657849
>ふらわあ
This is a joke right?

>>20657849
>>20657857
I'm so confused. So do they pick the Kanji based on how cool it looks without any regards to how it sounds like or something?

nothin more status quo than the class roster.jpg

>>20657849
I heard Japanese banks force you to write in カタカナ when you're opening an account.

>>20657857
>came up in my Anki deck
i thought you at least were mining yourself

>>20657849
Having all this business card meme bullshit just because they can't read each other's name.

>>20657934
This never crossed my mind. I think this is the actual reason.

>>20657819
the order in the deck in the OP is https://core6000.neocities.org/

https://forum.koohii.com/thread-14812-post-247227.html#pid247227

>>20657731
>patchouli doujin doesn't devolve into tentacle porn
Yeah, that's bullshit.

>can't even read each others names
Every day I discover reasons as to why Japanese is such a meme language.

>>20657930
I used to mine, but I quit. The only deck I use now is the KKLC vocab deck which I use to practice writing.

>>20657882
No quicker way to illustrate to a contrarian that Japanese names can be nonsense. It's a necessary evil and i'm willing to degrade myself to teach it.

>>20657963
You are wrong btw.

Anyone has the "Remembering the kanji" (5th or 6th edition) pdf?

Where to go for advanced grammer after tae kim?

>>20658007
you are free now. go read

Anyone know where I can look up a kanji and see what component and kanji it's made from? Jisho is absolute shit for that and shows things that are not even there.

>>20658007
dojg

>>20657979
>he thought he can master german articles
肝の据わった人だ

Are (native) women consistently more intelligible speakers than men or am I just imagining it?

>>20657990
they can be nonsense but really if youre really with the shits how many of them are really nonsense

most of them arent or thered be no point to anything

yes some of them are and its jarring when u come from eop land but thats ok

>>20657945
Thank you! That's what I needed.

>>20658019
App: kanji study.
Website: idk

>>20658021
Isn't there a well structured site? I don't want to look into a glossary every time I want to look up something like a boomer.

>>20658038
really varies. for example さくら剛 from さくら通信 speaks a lot clearer than someone like ゆきりぬ if you ask me

>>20658038
ive worked in post production for some time and id definitely say this is the case pretty much universally in general

>>20656685
whens itazura gonna steal nukes sentence decks and push it as the official djt endorsed beginner method

>>20658041
I mean yeah for sure. To a total beginner especially they're ridiculous. When I read my first LN i had to keep a notepad doc with all the characters' names and their readings in it. I've done about ten LNs now (yeah I know that's not a lot) and it's become much easier to remember them.

>>20658100
probably before nuke uses it himself

>>20658101
yea names are a thing where if youre not getting the social part to japanese language and actually dealing with people and peoples names its gonna take you a lot longer to develop a sense for what the name spectrum is and across the different regions

Have you ever seen the kanji "壱" before? Is so, where?

>>20658108
in 5 years there will be a new wave of people sayin haha yeah nukes sentence deck is how i started and im functionally fluent now its too bad nuke still hasnt gotten there yet
and then one of them will start a patreon and nuke will start making decks for his supporters and the cycle continues

what does he say after 旅の途上で
https://youtu.be/EnjtQQQaDKo?t=175

>>20658141
thats easy i saw it in rtk next

>>20658141
on the ps1 metal gear solid discs. marked 壱 and 弐 respectively

>>20658141
You see it on sad panda or games once you start reading native content.

Isolated kanji study is godlike.

>>20658144
at 2:55

はい!
あたしと同じくらいの年の女の子はみんなおチンチン大好きです

>>20658184
>>20658196

>>20658204
at least they kept the sick katanagatana in their name so you cant say it was for nothin

at least he didnt name himself カルビン

I watched a bit of the Marie Kondo show and she was addressing some of the people she was helping as "君様." Is this as fucking weird as it sounds?

>>20658204
さすがリア充

i mean shes a literal neat freak

what the fuck do u think

>>20658184
I'm considering isolated kanji study since I constantly mix up kanji and generally have a hard time recognizing words.
Is RTK the best way to fix that?

>>20657378
Is this from some cosplay event? Everyone's got a different uniform

>>20658204
man... ajatt? I've never heard of this shit.

How many Japanese study methods / guides are there? 500+ Man... this is crazy

I think the solution is to stick to the most common method, dont waste your time searching or discussing other methods, and keeping doing it ftw.

>>20658246
>stick to the most common method
by what standard

Is there any sort of website or something where I can type in a number followed by a counter like "三本" and it tells me how it's pronounced? For a while I used google translate's text to speech function but it got some stuff wrong.

>>20658254
number of successful people.

>>20658246
>most common method
You mean just doing textbooks and being too scared to actually get into real Japanese, like reddit?

>>20658144
It's probably some dialect, but the verb that's confusing you begins with 立ち so the meaning should be clear now. And stop watching tarantino, he's a hack.

I think I'm done with mining but I think the reality is I use kanjitomo too much

>>20658270
Is the kanji recognition always accurate?

>>20658240
Isolated kanji study will make recognizing words way easier but you will also remember them much better and you will keep more from reading. There is literally no reason not to do it.

>>20658267
pulp fiction is actually a good movie, but otherwise i agree. it was only cause we had to watch kill bill back in high school, so i wanted to see if i could understand the japanese in it now

>>20658204
Doesn't making comments in eigo undermine the point of ajatt?

>>20658263
thatd be a cool statistic to have wouldnt it also by what standard are you measuring success
>>20658291
whats the point of ajatt

>>20658301
all japanese all the time

>>20658290
oof

pulp fiction is actually one of the most overrated shit movies of all time along with pretty much any other thing tarantinos name is on

i thought we were more refined than this

>>20658278
Useful most of the time it kind of surprises me how blurry kanji can be and still be read properly, but if the background isn't white, not in a speech bubble or the furigana happen to be too close to the kanji then expect some trouble. This is rare but kanjitomo can read vertically and horizontally and if two vertical lines of kanji are close enough then it will be read horizontally.

>>20658315
usually when someone says the point they mean the purpose thats just the means

>>20658332
manually set text direction and text color instead of leaving it to automatic for slightly improved results

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQB48VKBB3w
ニート出てけ

>>20658362
i'm watching that exact same video right now because of that 片付け魔女. they even got jamal on there

>>20658404
>片付け魔女

I feel like I have achieved a better grasp of basic grammar structure from watching 15 dolly videos than from reading TK and all the times I've referrenced DOJG since I started reading. What the hell

>>20658404
im not gonna watch the vid but lol

>>20658538
this was prolly because dolly was comprehensible input as opposed to that other shit where ur still left to ur own devices for an interpretation

Here's the chart you didn't order DJT. I spent a lot of time on it and I feel like I hardly learned anything. Oh well

whats it say dont feel like clickin the thumbnail

lmfao behold flashtards

It's the commonish kanji with 車 written out

>>20658593
You should also put やから over 輩

>>20658593
>I spent a lot of time on it and I feel like I hardly learned anything.
did you learn to not do this again cause thatd be a valuable lesson

>>20658623
Will do, I'm not gonna repost cause I'm lazy.
Is it actually common? I haven't seen it in practice yet

>>20658645
It appears in oot iirc for example

>>20658645
I've seen it in a couple of old JRPGs

>>20658645
輩ども is the easiest way to describe the djt boys

I'm doing 50 new flashcards a day.

How bad will it get?

>>20658727
>>20658612

>tfw you replay your favorite jrpgs in japanese and find out the localizations were way better than the originals

>>20658727
It will get pretty bad. Don't hesitate to just delete your deck and start over again if it ever gets too overwhelming.

>>20658727
It can be done but it's gonna get pretty bad.

>>20658749
Never happened to me, always the opposite.

>>20658798
I was pretty disappointed by the japanese version of the Mario RPG games.

Is 30 new flashcards a day ok or still pretty bad ?

shut up お願い

>>20658892
Your cards are gonna pile up faster than you can get thru them dawg language learning isnt a race you gotta play the long game.

>>20658892
Just do whatever feels right, you can always try something different later. Learning a language is not an exact science, everyone does stuff differently.

>>20658892
Just do what you feel like doing this includes quiting core or whatever deck when you feel like it and then read.

>>20658926
Do you have any tips for grammar? I'm trying to work through Tae Kim's guide, but I'm not sure what pace I should be going at.

Do I read the whole thing and refer back, or stop and go through each chapter until I understand it?

I tried reading but I barely have any vocab so it's really painful.

Does this say
こ度てやってくれなかった
Is this I didn't get to do it this time
Or I didn't do it this time?

>>20658984
二度と

二度と

I've heard of people doing 100 cards a day but I honestly don't know how they do it, guess they spent all day on Anki

>>20658984
Pretty sure that person is not talking about themselves, judging by the てくれる

>>20658966
I finished TK in a week knowing that I will inevitably come back to it and other guides. I quit core at ~750 cards and just read. While reading I take note of grammar points I don't recognize and look them up later.

>>20658992
Oh, so it's like 'Never again will I not do it'
Makes sense. Thanks.

>>20659017
Did you work through the exercises and take notes or just read through it?

>>20659047
I don't think that's what it is but it's tough to tell without the context

>>20659066
Was trying to help with
>>>/r/16573504

But I haven't studied japanese past 1 semester in college.

>>20659061
>exercises
Think you've got the wrong guide m8. I used to take notes but my notes were just the guide on a piece of paper so I blasted throught it.

just think of grammar like vocab that's impossible to put into anki for any good purpose because every single "word" has tons of special conjugations and meanings and there are variant spellings that mean different things to different people

yes just think of grammar and confuse urself even harder instead of just watch some more eng subbed anime and enjoy the anime

>>20659175
So basically it's impossible to learn grammar

new guide to summarize what djt has learned from 2018
remembering the kana
write every kana 1000 times
rtk lazy kanji
mine tae kim
dojg deck for good measure
buy nukes new favorite books
reading becomes comfortable at 3k words or if youre based 3k english translated sentences
subs2srs with english subs as reference
core10k with audio if youre lazy or learning japanese for business instead of anime
monolingual transition mine a dictionary
10k monolingual sentences
you are now ready to read on your own
but first redo rtk and focus on writing
begin studying pitch accent
adopt a parent
while reading always be keeping your eye out for hot new sentences to mine instead of enjoying the content
remember that reading is supplementary
the only thing that matters in learning nihongo is your anki stats
do your reps
dont forget youre here forever
no adult has ever learned japanese anyway
japanese is the hardest language on the planet for english speakers
should have started when you were younger before your neuroplasticity dried up
blame your parents
find a new hobby to fail at
gambare

*gambaruzoi
Try again

issyo ni gambarimasyou
ne

I'll issho your chin and my fist

sorry i meant issyoo ill make an anki card for it

what djt learned from 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Pge2nb979k

"This is my bicycle."
これは私の自転車です。
is that right?

best nihongo posted in the entire thread good jobu

no off season music its not kurisumass for 11 months

>>20659408
can you write it in romanji? i cant read that shit dude

>>20659436
kore ha jitensha no watashi des ten

why even learn how to read kanji when u can just paste everything into google tranny and read the romanji lol

>>20659444
>ha

>>20659436
I'm confused with the word order. The bicycle is the topic of the sentence so it should get theはright?

when kanjitomo has a romanji mode well never need to learn nihongo again
romanji output or romanji input
both

>>20659304
>while reading always be keeping your eye out for hot new sentences to mine instead of enjoying the content
Can't you do both

>>20659446
Hiragana and Katakana are huge when you put them in typeset. About twice the size of english letters. If all Japanese was just in the kanas children's books would be like 100 pages long. Kanji are easy if you're not a lazy retard. Literal actual kindergarten children learn about 100 in a year so I'm sure you could do the same.

>>20659444

>>20659464
so what spend a couple extra seconds reading versus never learning how to read china houses

seems pretty epic win/win to me

>>20659463
you can do anything you want but i cant endorse fuckin around havin a good time instead of grindin that anki boy you think this is a game you think this is for fun do your reps right now do em again

someone should transcribe kino vol 1 into kana with spaces and wait for new excuses for not bein able to read to roll in

"its gay"

>>20659304
i didn't know the 3k words thing was a meme. i just chose it arbitrarily earlier itt.

>>20659379
If this is a dream I don't want to wake up? But what function is で serving?

わたしに話しかけないで

>>20660043
神様、夢なら私が覚めないでください
多分
いいえ
私、バカだから。気にしないで

>>20659304
This is both amazing and depressing.

>>20659521
i have autism here's the whole prologue. this will teach baby to read and from here on out this isn't needed

プロローグ　「森 の 中 で・ｂ」

　　Lost in the Forest・b

そして 暗闇 が 生まれた。
まったく 光 の ない。
月 も 星 も 見えない。
緩やか な 風 で 森 が ざわめく 音 だけ が、闇 を 飾る よう に 聞こえて くる。
「そう だ なあ……。なんとなく、だ けれど ね……」
ふい に 人間 の 話す 声 が 聞こえた。少年 の よう な、そして 少し 高い 声 だ。
「なんとなく、だけれど？」
別 の 声 が 発言 を 促す よう に 聞いた。さら に 若い 感じ の する、男 の 子 の よう な 声 だった。
ほんの少し 静寂 があって、最初 に 聞こえた 声 が 静か に 語り出した。まるで 自分 に 言い聞かす よう な、誰も いない ところ へ 向かって 喋る よう な 口調 だった。
「ボク は ね、たまに 自分 が どうしようもない、愚か で 矮小 な 奴 ではないか？ ものすごく 汚い 人間 ではないか？なぜだか よく 分からない けど、そう 感じる 時 が ある んだ。そう と しか 思えない 時 が ある んだ……。でも そんな 時 は 必ず、それ 以外 の もの、たとえば 世界 とか、他 の 人間 の 生き方 とか が、全て 美しく、すてき な もの の よう に 感じる んだ。とても、愛しく 思える んだ よ……。ボク は、それら を もっともっと 知りたく て、その ため に 旅 を している よう な 気 が する」
それ から ほんの少し だけ 間 を おいて、こう 続けた。
「辛い こと や 悲しい こと は、ボク が 旅 を している 以上 必ず、行く 先々 に たくさん 転がっている もの だ と 思ってる」
「ふーん」
「だから と いって、旅 を 止めよう と は 思わない。それ を してる の は 楽しい し、たとえば 人 を 殺める 必要 が あって も、それ を 続けたい と 思える し ね。それ に」
「それ に？」
「止める の は、いつ だって できる。だから、続けよう と 思う」
最初 の 声 は、きっぱり 言った。そして 訊ねた。
「納得 した かい？」
「正直 言って、よく 分からない や」
別 の 声 が 答えた。
「それ でも いい と 思う よ」
「そう？」
「ボク 自身 も、ひょっとしたら よく 分かってない の かもしれない。迷ってる の かもしれない。そして それ を もっと 分かる ため に、旅 を 続けてる の かもしれない」
「ふーん」
「さて と。ボク は 寝る よ。明日 は また だいぶ 走らなくちゃ。……おやすみ エルメス」
「おやすみ、キノ」
　暗闇 に、がさごそ と 厚い 布 が 擦れ合う 音 が 聞こえ、やがて 止んだ。

>>20660331
that having been said holy fucking christ nihongo with spaces is literally physically repulsive my skin is actually crawling looking at this
what have i done...

what the fuck dude

go read yourself some かちかち山
https://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/000329/files/18377_11982.html

i wanted no kanji more than i wanted no spaces

do you ever have one of those moments where you see a kanji and subconsciously recognize it right away, but then a moment later when your consciousness catches up you don't even understand how you knew it?

idk it's kind of a hard phenomenon to describe, but it happens to me sometimes.

>>20658246
All Japanese All the Time. Kind of an immersion method. I'm not personally sold on it. But yeah, the most important thing is having the discipline to set out a plan and then implement it. Arguing over which plan is the best is sort of irrelevant, because it's infinitely more important that you just stick to it. Outside of truly absurd plans like "10k hours of subbed anime" or "Learn 1 word a day" if you can stick to learning a language at a steady pace for over a year then you'll get there eventually. It's the discipline that counts. Even Anki+Tae Kim or Genki can work with that mindset.

It's like weight training. Someone who tried to build muscle with cardio and calisthenics for 4 years every day is going to make amazing gains if someone corrects them, because they actually have the right mindset. Someone who spends 4 years browsing /fit/ for the perfect routine is never gonna make it.

>>20660736
>Outside of truly absurd plans like "10k hours of subbed anime"
It's a legit working method though

>>20655700
those are the better op images imo but I haven't seen a new one in a while

>>20660795
it's a dumb meme spammed by some retard finnish person

>>20660810
Just because it has become a meme doesn't mean it doesn't work