/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Daily reminder that flash cards are for cucks

i told u not to make the fucken thread

now its time to do it all over once again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5y4L4bneyM#t=77

>>20583556
Is it true that DJT was the first numbered General on 4chan? I heard it was made on /a/ and there were other threads before it like Strike Witches, Raildex, etc., but DJT was the first one to actually put numbered threads in its Subject Field.

I'm about 2500 words into core 6k. Why is it teaching me shit like "Vernal Equinox" and "Ward Municipal Office" when there are so many common and simple words that haven't shown up yet?

give it a rest fuckhead

>>20583624
Because it's bad and you should've dropped it 2000 words ago.

What manga are you watching?

kyou aint furdaidee anymore everything is bad now that djt is back

nice typo scrub

watashiwa frigay

>>20583635
It's a helpful resource and this type of learning is damn near mandatory when it comes to learning an Asian language (whether it be flashcards or similar software). My complaint is that the order is stupid and it's teaching me complicated words that I would never even use in English, much less Japanese.

by asian language i assume you mean just chinese and japanese

>>20583650
I agree with you honestly. I'm only 1500 words in (had to stop for a while due to work, but picked up the deck in June) and it didn't teach me how to say "shoe" before it gave me multiple seemingly useless terms for niche subjects.

ザパトス

>>20583650
>>20583662
Just watch anime and you don't need anki

>>20583556
Just started a few days ago. This is tough, but I am enjoying myself. It is a nice break frrom homework.

im so glad i didnt ankidrone so i have no concept of "niche vocabulary i don't need", in any language

>>20583650
You do know that you can use Anki without using that awful Core deck, right?

>>20583727
I tried using it for other things but honestly vocabulary is what it is best at. Using it for anything else seems like a waste of time.

>>20583745
You do know that you can use Anki for vocabulary without using that awful Core deck, right?

>>20583756
Yes. This is where everyone suggests their own favorite deck. At the end of the day you just gotta choose one and roll with it.

is this bait

What anime/manga is the OP girl from? I looked for her when I first saw her banner a long time ago and couldn't find a source.

if u see an uppercaser actin a fool sayin stupid shit its undoubtedly a bait tread carefully

Enlightened European Intellectual here, this is the time when almost certainly the last of my fellow Evropeans are going to bed if any are still left (3 to 4 AM), so from here on, DJT is all burger now.

good to know thx

this is the difference between uppercase and lowercase
lowercase drop a shitpost and move on
uppercase gotta keep tryin to reel em in

that uppercase guy (theres only actually 1 every uppercase post is the same guy) is just really upset that his days of tyranny are over

theres only one lowercase too
but theres a whole storm of mixed case and they are the real problem that needs to be addressed in djt

>>20583867
Address this *unzips dick*

>>20583880
ok

"microscopic"

if you can't instantly recognize which track jamal just posted based on the timestamp he added, you haven't been lurking long enough to post

Fuck this cesspool I'm going to /int/.
9 out of 10 posts here are kids trying to meme and have nothing to do with Japanese.

if you wanted to learn japanese you would be going to nowhere

>>20583772
No, it's where you stop using shitty pre-made decks altogether and start actually learning Japanese (reading, listening and mining).

>>20583786
https://dic.pixiv.net/a/白水哩

>>20583923
/jp/ is the last board you'd want to visit if you want to learn anything related to Japan.

>>20583923
this thread isn't for people who want to learn japanese, its for friends to circle jerk and meme

increasingly starting to think that the words "learning japanese" need to become obsolete because they attract all sorts of people who genuinely think its about grinding a flash card program or having your syntax highlighted or some weird shit no normal person ever needs or does

>>20583968
Well, it shouldn't be.

I got a pretty good response the other day when I asked about a grammar point from HJGP. That single beautiful moment was probably the most productive this thread has been in the last few months.

>>20583988
I thinking "learning Japanese" is fine. "Studying Japanese" is what should be avoided.

>>20583585
Based and redpilled (・｀ω´・)

>>20584002
Reading about grammar is not productive, so no it wasn't.

Let's try to not be toxic, hostile, or ironic this thread. We're all in this together. Remember the yuukuri shite mindset!

>>20584017
Don't spew stupid shit. Sit down and shut your fucking mouth. Don't ever reply to me again.

click here to learn nihongo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4_HwzxnG0I

teach me some words and expressions of nihongo

I saw this the other day

這々の体（ほうほうのてい）

it's amazingly graphic but i couldn't read 這 in the on'yomi because i can't remember knowing any other words with it ;_;

>>20584042
oh and it isn't in the on'yomi!!! ほう is still yamatokotoba, minasan gomennnasai

パンピー

its what (u) are

using bad decks is just a waste of time, there's no pride in choosing to use something inefficient and mind-numbing
don't shit on people for complaining about getting recommended shitty decks

>>20584042
君にがまだ早い (it makes you faster)

thats a paddlin

>>20583585
I'm learning japanese for THIS?

>>20584072
All I see is more reason to ganbaru.

>>20584052
...thanks?

>>20584060
??

>>20584025
>eternal beginner still using grammar guides is ordering people around and acting like he knows anything
this is too cute

imagine not learning japanese so u can become some sweet fat japanese girls everything

女の子はいやですねぇ

いや

わたし、ゲイですしね

remember this is the best ending u could ever achieve in learning japanese

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F8xpgcw8oM

わたしは芸人

>>20584098
HJGP is not a "grammar guide." It'd be great if you at least knew shit about what you were trying to chime in on.

trying to think of interesting japanese words but head is 空っぽ

well did you know this expression?

読書百遍意自ずから通ず
どくしょ・ひゃっぺん・い・おのずから・つうず

it means keep reading the same thing and then you'll get it!

>>20583957
thank you anon

did you know this expression

四方八方見回せばボンクラばっか

it means exactly what u think

nice

heres the accompanying audio so u can put it on ur flashcard

https://streamable.com/pphdw

>>20584235
man think of something new jamal. ばかの一つ覚え

gonan get fluent now!

>>20583624
I'll never understand why everyone is pushing for these pre-made decks. Delve into native media, mine your own sentences and you will have the perfect deck customized to your tastes.

Just like the 10k hours of subbed anime, you should be listening to it raw, no subs. When you ultimately turn them off you won't understand shit because you practised your English-reading instead of your Japanese-listening, I assume it's a meme.

no ur just retarded and dont understand what the subs are supposed to do and even go a step further to show how youd misuse them like the retard u are

u also for sure dont know any japanese

you can pick up some basics from a few thousand hours of subbed anime like a loose understanding of what nihongo sounds like and your standard weeb vocab
which might help shield you against the permanently cripple your accent meme
the thing is if you havent already watched a few thousand hours of subbed anime youre not gonna make it

hey friends, maybe if I ask the question now I might get some good answers. I am thinking about going to japan after gradding but all my teachers are engineering and would not want me to do jet. Do you guys have any recommendations on getting good recommendations if I won't ever take a nip class? maybe try math tutoring maybe?

>>20584406
ull prolly find u picked up a lot more as u move forward

most of what u get from the subbed anime doesnt become apparent until u go further down the rabbit hole

mining sentences is stupid too just mine individual words it's a lot simpler and doesn't have any of the risks sentences do, and yes, it does in fact work

>>20584536
your almost there my friend. now you just need to make the jump to all anki use is stupid.

i just read the word 地球外生命体 and just kind of intuitively understood it even though i've never seen that specific lump of kanji before. it's extremely simple stuff but it still felt "epic"

あい　わんと　と　べー　ざ　すとろんげすと　がいじん　いん　ざ　わーるど

>>20583556
anybody have good noob listening practice?

おはようおにいちゃん

きょうたのしかったことはなんですか

>>20584726
https://youtu.be/gyNfH6aT6so

>>20584726
yuru yuri is pretty easy. but the main goal is to shotgun immense amount of listening. ie you will learn nothing from a show but you will learn something from a hundred shows

Don't listen to this poster >>20584740

>>20584726
watch anime and read vns.

>>20584750
almost right just replace vns with lns.

>>20584747
do listen to that poster.

>>20584566
i won't say that since there's nothing wrong with memorizing random bullshit that helps you think like the names of different parts of the tokyo metro

>>20584756
that anon was asking about listening practice bro how the heck is he gonna get listening practice in by reading lns? vns are handy because a. you can repeat the voice clip b. there are (accurate) subtitles immediately available that you can then easily look up for and c. you can even mine from them at your convenience if you're still in the "anki mining" phase of your nihongo experience. all in all vns are indispensable. they're also easier to get into than lns imo

anyway today i finished a whole chapter of haruhi in one go, and that felt exciting, especially because it was the "nagato gives a very long sci-fi info dump about her origin" chapter in the first volume. it was hard to understand.

and so a new Tae Kim was born, when can i expect your grammar guide to go up on neocities? two months?

>>20584850
i'd rather just wallow in this cesspool honestly

>>20583556
So what's the difference between Tae Kim's Complete Guide vs the grammar guide?

imagine being so retarded you think 'Terrace House' is for real >>20578404

>>20583624
>tfw you know how to say 春分 and 区役所 but still don't know how to say "type" or "scratch"
I guess at least I knew those kanji without having to look it up h-haha

三年ぶりは残念だね

意味わからない　でも　深い意味があるんだ

かもしれない

>>20584887
you can turn this into a haiku

三年は残念
意味わからない
でも深い

>>20584604
This is one thing that's cool about language of glorious Nippon. You might not be able get the correct reading, but if you know the kanji, you can have a guess as to what the word means.

>>20584907
I think starting a sentence or fragment or whatever with でも is bad form but I might be wrong and that probably also doesn't matter in haiku.

>>20584910
i mean i never studied kanji, i only did vocab, and it's a bunch of vocab i recognize lumped together in one. i got the readings right too. call me "king brain" if you will

>>20584836
How much of an average vn is voiced? Is it only lines from other characters? How about the general narration and internal monologues?

Who else /duolingo/

>>20584933
narration is never voiced, protag is only voiced in kamige

What is this symbol after the numbers? I know it's supposed to be millimeters but I can't find anything about it, it doesn't even look like a kanji.

>>20584994
どんまい！

にほんごなんて

どう

かいても

だいたい

つたわるものなんだよ

>>20584162
I know what HJGP is. It's grammar instruction for eternal beginners who are too scared to read and have no confidence in their ability to learn.

Sorry to say, but you are wasting your time. Don't shoot the messenger.

>>20584726
Yes, it's called "anime".

>>20584864
The Gomplete Guide was intended to be a complete guide, but Tae Kim never finished it. The Grammar Guide has more content and is better organised as a result.

also tae kim says the complete guide is better but he's wrong since he never finished it

despite the small number of errors and pieces of misinformation in the grammar guide

incomplete guide to the complete language
complete guide to the language's grammar

>>20580071
Okay, well this add-on is useless. I gave it a try and it doesn't even seem to work for Japanese text, so so much for that.

>>20585069
tae kim's guide is great for getting into the basics, but you're gonna need exposure + dojg books if you want to understand more complex structures like you see in NHK

>>20585059
Thank you anon

彼女は足が太い

>>20584844
https://www.lettercount.com/
how many characters was it? i might read it if it has less than 10000 characters a chapter

>>20583624
区役所 is widely used in Japan and it's one of the first words you should be learning (specially if you're thinking of living here).

I hope you anons are not cheating by inflating your kanji count and adding all these hentais (変体) into your anki deck.

does anyone have PDF of Tango Vocab books?

I'll be done with RTK1 (new edition with 2200 kanji) in a few days.

From all the information I could gather, I built this rough plan for actually learning the language past that:
- don't do RTK3 and add kanji as they come instead because new edition RTK3 isn't as useful upfront anymore
- get a grasp of the language's structure with Tae Kim's Grammar Guide (it's free free!)
- loosen the rigid learning structure in general and try to read/sentence mine anything that seems interesting enough, do passive/active listening etc.
- learn a minimum amount of vocab every day with anki and something like 2k/6k/10k core

Is this plan viable or could I do something more efficiently?

>>20585338

i'd want to pick up learning kanji but just studying them seems so boring so what would be the fastest/most efficient way to learn them and how long would it take me until i could start really reading stuff. No i'm not asking for any shortcuts so to say but i just want to get reading anything really, then the "learning experience" would become more easy and natural for me. I've heard reading with furigana isn't gonna be that helpful because you're gonna get used to them and you don't really learn the kanji that way.

>>20585351
read

>>20585351
see >>20585347

What's the point of sentence mining. If I'm supposed to mine sentences where I don't understand only 1 word, aren't those other words useless? I will get the context via actual reading, why study with the context if I concentrate on remembering the meaning of that only word?
This sounds like a waste of time. I could understand doing that if you had really hard time remembering some word and didn't want to discard it. But not using it for every fucking word...

https://streamable.com/8t39u

>>20585133
>more complex structures like you see in NHK
reaction image.jpg

>>20585439
yeah, I hope he doesn't mean NHK Easy

>>20585351
Anon NEET here who only focused in kanji
2 moths and 27 days and I know about 1.5 kanjis. I almost finished kanjidamage

>>20584883
>>20583650
All those kanji are common and you should commit to learning them right away. The vocab itself is not useful but Anki doesn't teach you vocab it reaches you readings. The vocab they pick is silly sometimes but it helps you chunk the information. Learning to readings together helps you recall the other one easier. That being said you should drop Anki when you can start reading at a decent speed. If your 2k into core I would drop it and make a mining deck and then drop that when ever you feel like it.

>>20585351
Anon NEET here who only focus on learning kanji
My shitty advice is to do kanji damage
2 months and 28 days and I know 1.5 kanjis, I almost finished kanjidamage and I can easily read NHK

>>20585474
lmao as a NEET i went thru RTK1 and 3 in roughly 3 months

>>20585505
Really?
You learn them with their both respective readings and also the stroke order?

So why are there no pictures of 水鞠 in google?

>>20585513
>both respective readings
holy fuck you are retarded, yes i learned all the readings for each kanji, because that's how you learn nihongo
i learned how to write and recognise every one of them, but no readings

you need to know all these readings as a beginner

>>20585543
おんよみは

なるべくふやさない

おっけ？

>>20585543
no you don't lol

ホモって自分のチンコ見て勃起するらしいね。
無限ループじゃん

https://youtu.be/8HJUEGEA0tw

>>20585727
never post again

can 跳ねる mean splashing or is it just jumping?

>>20585769
ひとがはねるのも

ものがはねるのも

はねるってつかう

> 此処
> JLPT 5
uh yeah nah

>>20585769
>>20585836
せいかくには

かんじとかひらがなのしじにも

はねるってつかう

とめる・はねる・はらう

きいたことあるでしょ

I've been at this "read more xd" shit for over 7 years and still can't read/understand basic sentences, so I'm paying $4,000+ travel fees for official Japanese tuition over the next six months. Wish me luck.

>>20586004
you can't understand this after 7 years?
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/k10011770571000/k10011770571000.html

Awe, Nuke is trying harder. Now his pop-up dictionary has Japanese definitions. He might make it after all.

https://youtu.be/_lTshsWzx50?t=8m11s

>>20586153
yeah but he will still take hours to understand those definitions, so it's not like he's effective at using a jap dictionary

>>20585351
Nah, for me reading with furigana helps, I'll just ignore the furigana if I know the kanji already and sometimes when I don't remember what the word means I'll look at the kanji and remember it.

>>20586153
>Let's read japanese
After several years making nonsense decks

>>20586153
wtf he had to pause at 季節.

imagine you're a 40+ year old manchild who won't ditch all that ineffective shit and do what's actually going to get him to his goal
he loves his autistic world of making retarded decks so let him stay in it

>>20586189
たっぷり and 満開 too lol

さくらのよやくした？

さくらのきせつがちかづいてるよ

はなみ

これる？

Go back to being sick, caught in a hurricane or whatever imouto.

>>20586153
>monolingual transition meme
lol

一寸

>>20586004
whatd you do wrong
in any case genki ni nare

>>20586244
さくらの季節はまだ遠い : (

So how many cards in VNCore do i really need to have a basic understanding of what i'm reading.
About 600?

reminder that if you really need a deck it should only be a mining deck

>>20586273
I dunno, I did the monolingual transition with English when I was like 14 and it worked wonders.

>>20586330
You're not the boss of me.

daily reminder why REreading is more powerful than reading.
also why subs2srs is HIGHLY underrated

>Rereading is the most effective type of reading, especially of foreign language texts, because it offers learners the opportunity to re-think messages and see features they have not noticed in initial reading.

https://coerll.utexas.edu/methods/modules/reading/03/
http://indwellinglanguage.com/reread/

>>20586335
Not all languages work the same way. Keeping English definitions for quick lookups (and also additional results) is much more efficient than fighting with a dictionary in a language you can barely read.

leave it to djters to misuse information they find on the internet

>>20586335
no ones sayin you should cling to eiwa for the rest of your life
but thinkin you gotta rush into it asap instead of focusin on the compellin content is a mistake
remember #1 is read more and that dont mean fuckin dictionaries

>>20586369
anki aint readin so what makes you think its rereadin

>>20586357

that one took you a while

i just got to it at my leisure like everything else

>>20586396

祖先　先祖

Why?

>>20586372
That's true, I was pretty much fluent at that point due to growing up with a Scottish neighbor and playing video games. It really helps you contextualizing more uncommon vocabulary though.
>>20586389
I think the perfect point is when you can pretty much read everything and hold a normal conversation in the language. Pretty much the point when you occasionally start thinking in the foreign language.
It's great for learning words all natives don't necessarily know that sometimes pop up.

whens someone gonna put their money where their mouth is and actually put an episode on a card

凸凹　凹凸

Why?

>>20586449
according to some anon every animu episode of a show uses 80% same vocabulary. so this is the 20% left lmao

>>20586466
One of those words I've never mispronounced. However I do have a massive issue with forgetting rendaku on many words.

>>20584994
Is this a joke post?

if u describe ur issue as "forgetting rendaku" ur 100% not going to make it

声音
音声
why?

which kanji comes first determines what the point of interest is >: )

>>20586493
hontou nara ookii
motto itte kudasai

>>20586493
I already went through 7 vns at (at least) 50% reading comprehension so spare me your negativity.

its not negativity its truth

if u wanna be told nothnig but how great ur doing all the time theres always reddit my man

btw which 7 vns >>>:)

Anyone familiar with Japan train passes? Don't know where to ask this. Have any of you used this regional pass for the Kanto region?
https://www.japan-rail-pass.com/pass-regional/east/jr-east-nagano-niigata-area-pass
Planning a trip but I'm not getting the full JR pass because money, and thiss 5 day pass looks interesting. What's a e-ticket?

i said tell me more were makin breakthroughs in the science of makin it

idk what else to tell u dude i watched many thousands of hours of eng subbed anime in my yunger days and now i would never misread shit like 手書き with my 目玉s lol

i thought it was the wording that you were talkin about my bad
shit seems easy to me but my vocab is small so luckily theres plenty of time left to discover im not gonna make it

well no describing it as "forgetting rendaku" indicates that ur prolly not learning japanese lol ive never even thought of that idea ever in life

小蝶達よ、研鑽しろ、いつか君も、上手になるぞい！

i was gonna defend it but now that i think about it i had that thought a couple times when i was ankidronin and not since

I have trouble with guessing rendaku does that count

大手（おおで）を振る
大手会社（おおてがいしゃ）

but then I suppose 10000 jikan of preliminary risuningu will help with that

if u even use the word rendaku ur prolly losing real bad

what would u actually read 大手 as otherwise

>プロテクションを張り直して
守りを固めろ

>Once I do, use Protection again to strengthen our defense.
how would you translate 張り直す.

something like re-repair, reestablish?

>>20586662
only have used it in english in this thread imitating others (I dynamically learned it) does that count

>>20586672
? I gave two different readings

rebuff

>>20586657
i dont know nihongo but arent oote and oode different thats what based jisho tells me

the thought that I'm posting here example sentences meant to read with the eyes alone and some gaijin are hovering over them with their popup dictionaries and probably getting annoyed at that i inserted parenthesis in the middle which breaks their parsing is kind of kimoti warui

>>20586716
sure but they're written the same
I don't understand the point that you're making (other than "be already fluent before you start reading")

>>20586730
im sayin that it seems to me the readin depends on the usage
shouldnt runnin into a usage thats quite different than what youre familiar with make you think maybe i should check
you dont have a problem with bein surprised by a readin of somethin youve never seen before
seems similar

>>20586012
Furigana Is cheating. No idea what henoko workforce is or why they would be gathering in front of the white house. Skimming through the rest all I got was light headache so I stopped. Surely traveling to Japan and living among the Japanese in a genuine Japanese environment will correct this.

idk i think even a nooblet should b able to see the 腕 in 大手 ヽ(　￣д￣)ノ

when u get to know japan society and systems at large ull prolly gain a better understanding for 手 in general

>>20586744
yes and that's what gives me "trouble" at guessing it for the first time >>20586629

>>20586748
so real hand undergoes rendaku is what you're saying? good to know

>>20586547
a....anyone? :(

no im saying u should make connections naturally and not be going oh rendaku lol better not forget that

>>20586746
>surely following conventional wisdom and spendin more dolla will make up for my lack of commitment to compellin content
six months is a long time to wait so give a monthly update will ya

think like adam smiths 見えない手 lmao

>>20586761
and what im sayin is theres a big hint that it might be a surprise before you look it up so the potential for guessin wrong aint really a problem
it shouldnt stand out more than when you guess any other word wrong and you fix it in the same way

>>20586547
>>20586765
I read your message but no idea. Your best bet is probably just approaching one of the windows and asking the attendants about it when you arrive in Japan. Most of them speak fluent English and if they don't they'll get someone who does. If there's one thing Japan doesn't fuck around with it's their train system.

>>20586772
>give a monthly update
Sure thing. What should I include in the format? Should I get a tripcode? I was thinking of something along the lines of "dumbass who paid 4k to fuck around Japan for six months".

>>20586794
Ok, thank you anon, will check it out

>>20586768
I'm not the guy forgetting rendaku... ffs why is DJT so obtuse

>>20586792
OK sorry. I do notice that a word is different and it's why I get uneasy about rendaku in the first place. which enables me to find out about all kinds of rendaku in the end so I become better than some native japs lol (purely at rendaku)

>>20586547
print this post out and recite the below at the counter or just hand it to them

関東一帯えっと一番安い電車パス下さい

lets not get distracted here
puttin 4k into fuckin around in nihon can be a quality investment in your life
but this dudes puttin 4k into tryin to buy nihongo

>>20585505
how did you space out your studying? like how much did you study a day and to remember them how often did you go back and test yourself about what you went through earlier?

hope the poor guy has enough money to at least have some fun while hes not makin it

>>20586820
rendaku is not what u wanna be good at

renkei is

>>20586844
耳が痛い話だ…

なかなかいいじゃん

how can you have problems with japanese when programming is so much harder you fucking cunts

prolly because instead of just learn japanese they try to learn how to program japanese into themselves lol

>>20586887
i aint sayin nihongo is hard you just gotta read more compellin content but
>programming is so much harder
in what sense

why all the nihongo kids tryin to get cs degrees is that the next stage of matts trifecta
pay me to get private access to amateur advice on nihongo meditation and codin
the advice is guaranteed to either come from me a native vetted pro or other scrubs like you payin me for the privilege to do my job

weebs have been goin into compsci for like the last 30 years

always tryin never succeedin

if seeing things asked like
infinity
infinite
why
^ makes you cringe then don't make posts like >>20586497

more like
chapter book
book chapter
why

>the first thing to remember is that the speaker always considers himself/herself to be at the lowest level. So any actions performed by oneself are in humble form while actions performed by anyone else seen from the view of the speaker uses the honorific form.

Eh?

>>20586964
Infinity comes from some kind of French, whereas infinite is a learned borrowing from Latin that maintains Latin stress and makes the stressed i an English long i. Pretty much no one but nerds need to know that.

anyone suffering from lack of compelling content in Japanese? I initially got into studying the language because of X, but charm of X wore off down the line and now I'm kinda forcing raw media in
there's very few things that I'd actually be interested in in Japanese, but they aren't obtainable besides paying

I'm gonna keep on watching 'something' rather than nothing, and maybe I'll figure it out one day, but for now, it feels like I have not much to do in the language, and the little I could is not common
I consider testing netflix and using VPN for Jap videos and downloading whatever I want en masse

>>20587024
PS the biggest hurdle of the language is not the language itself, but the compeling content and keeping at it

the lack is internal not external

>>20587010
i aint gonna remember that shit about my native language
majority of the shit nerds ask about nihongo youd forget the answer as soon as you finished readin it
but if you just read more you wont need to know
>>20587024
thats a worrying sign of not makin it there
dont force shit you dont enjoy just try out a ton of shit for a few minutes each until somethin makes you go oh shit yeah i wanna read or watch more of this shit right here
if you dont get that feelin from anything quit before you waste more time

also takin a fuckin month off until you get an itch to read some compellin content aint gonna kill ya in contrast to the do your reps ankidrone shit
it might help you remember what you actually wanted in the first place

alternatively heres a shitload of compellign content ftw

does anyone know some app that can learn you kanji, and aswell as pronounciation, meaning and maybe stroke order aswell

i haven't found one yet, i dont care for anki, its gay and buying a book seems stupid

>>20587063
I have one called Kanji tree but I havent tried it yet
It has positive reviews on the app store

>>20587060
if usin this to guide you through tryin shit until you find somethin you like doesnt help you make it nothin will
unironically

>>20585540
>>20585540
Yes I am retarded.
Do not underestimate the power of autism

>>20586887
idk what you're on about programming comes naturally over the course of a couple years if you have the need, desire, and time, and the right attitude towards learning

wait a minute...

u can also supplement the chart w/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRliw-b5dlA

>>20587060
I'm desperate, how do I get started with any of the easy ones on the list?

>>20587102
people goin oh shit krashen says language learnin aint like learnin anything else you gotta do it different
but it aint so different yall just been doin everything wrong
all you gotta do is do what you wanna do and in a few years youll be pretty good at it
who fuckin knew

u figure out a way to get 1 installed on ur computer and then u run the exe file and let ur 探求心 guide u

>>20587120
its too late dude ppl cant do what they wanna do

mass comi fuckin fried all these zoomer brains like some kinda biological emp lmfao

https://store.steampowered.com/app/274980/Influent/

anyone tried this one?

how do you do sentence cards for a mining deck when every sentence is entirely new? so far i'm doing cards for every new word with the sentence on the back. just started reading after doing 1k words in core, btw.

>>20587129
this actually lookjs pretty good as a concept but it doesnt look very tailored to the overall japanese experience so ymmv

>>20587132
you dont do sentences but bare vocab >>20585365

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLV8tNx3xjw

>>20587121
but where do I find them in JAP

Why aren't you playing cute Japanese games?

because i like dark shit but if youre compelled have at it

please explain this sentence to me
>補助輪なしで乗れるようにならんと
what is the ならんと supposed to be

It's propably worth asking on /trv/ too, but has anyone here had experience with the application process to work as an English teacher in Japan? I've had my application by JET accepted and I've got an interview scheduled at the end of January.

>>20587377
ならない + と

when a kanji has several readings, do i just learn the one thats most widely used or all of them?

you learn fuckin words

>>20587379
you literally have the job already.
they take every retard possible. they hire you regardless of if you can even speak japanese.

>>20587430
>regardless of if you can even speak japanese.
well no shit

>>20587415
sure, but how do you read those words if a kanji has several readings

金 is mostly read as きん, however it can also be read as かね and かな

so if i write the kanji for price/payment 代金, how am i supposed to read it?

as i want to?
the most popular reading?
or do i have to know all of the readings?

this is fucking gay

>>20587490
Just learn words.

>>20587451
you don't even need to be able to read hiragana. hiring someone like that in a teacher position is incredibly counterintuitive and they only do it because they are occupied by foreign forces and real teachers are too rare.

If you managed to get an interview there is simply no way you will ever be rejected unless you start mastrubating on the spot.

just learn words lmao otherwise stop and see if it makes sense with the on/kun "rule"

that one does lol

>>20587490
>do i have to know all of the readings?
If you actually want to be good in the lanuage in all aspects, yes.

If you're just an overweight neet who's never going to actually speak japanese to anyone because you don't leave the house it's pretty irrlevant how you read the kanji in your head.

then again, you're going to utterly fucked during anything that involves listening if you don't learn all the readings.

>>20587508
so english class in the land of the rising sun is basically some imported white autist thats spewing english words in front of confused nips and not being able to explain what he actually is saying?

if thats the case, its really no wonder nips are so horrible bad at anything english

>>20587551
>If you actually want to be good in the lanuage in all aspects, yes.

This.

You need to learn every on and kun for all 50,000 plus words.

Can't do that? Quit.

>>20587490
look up 代金 in a dictionary
what does it say
there you go
how would memorizing all the readings for 代 and 金 solve your problem at all
kanji arent words
i hope the guy who got mad last time i posted that comes back
>>20587508
your job is to be a puppet that speaks eigo on command
some workplaces specifically tell you to never speak nihongo during work hours
its not a teaching position if you dont have a teaching degree it is a puppet position to assist an actual teacher
>>20587551
笑う

>>20587551
>>20587572

i want to learn, but i dont want to learn something thats redundant and not used by anyone except quirky autists that wants to put their flair on a word

what about native speakers? do they know all readings?

>>20587605
no
they know a lot but only through mass exposure to all of the words that use different readings
which is the only way you should learn them unless you want to be the next kanken guy
and even if you do want to be the next kanken guy you should learn japanese first

>>20587490
word of advice: memorizing on / kun readings is borderline pointless as you'll be exposed to it over time and you'll gradually get a feel for what works / what doesn't work

>>20587581
so the imported gaijin basically works as a walking dictionary for the actual teacher?

>>20587581
u know why they tell jet fuckers not to speak nihongo at school right

bc they literally dont want the youth of japan getting their japanese permanently crippled

the actual literal truth

ITHVNR won't detect the process exe of any of the VNs I run. I ran everything as admin. When I used the updater nothing happened so I assume it's the newest version. Any ideas how to fix this?

>>20587605
>do they know all readings?
no, just like most english speakers don't know a fuck-ton of words. they know what Is required to get through basic education and after that It varies on a person to person basis.

unfortunately you've already fucked yourself by learning the language for weebshit, a community full of writers that love pulling ancient readings out of their ass, making up new words and concepts by smashing kanji and/ or broken english together, and just generally attempting to write grandeur into everything.

press this for fix

>>20587646
no youre more like text to speech that doesnt fuck up
youre just an example of what eigo is supposed to sound like when a nihonjin doesnt ruin it
>>20587648
shit thats true

>>20587662
luckily you can follow the same strategy that a native follows to become more literate
read more

they need to get those alts some affirmative action

nowhere else in the world would u be able to pull that shit without some serious sjw backlash

>>20587646
they are there to pronounce english because the actual teacher can't do it without fucking up.

then they get deported back to their home country after a few years and start up youtube channels.

>>20587664
my favorite thing about this filename is that its i+1
dont wanna bombard anyone with too much nihongo

>>20587694
uve just about figured out my approach

>>20587686
actual foreign english teachers that know japanese ignore JET and just get hired by universities / private academies instead lol

>>20585053
Coming back nearly a full day later to once again call you a dumbass for implying that a. i'm just reading a grammar """guide""" (lmao) and nothing else and that b. you're some kind of super moron that thinks you can learn grammar by just reading more and never referring back to anything. You can call me an eternal beginner all you want, but at least i'm not an eternal retard like you.

>>20587736
which doesn't help anyone.

>>20587658
pls

what grammar book did you use for eigo youre pretty good at it

>>20587736
alternatively just not be a stupid retard and teach english in literally any other sea country where shit is many times better overall

>>20587740
lol nice meltdown

Tell me one bad thing about being an ALT.

>>20587757
but do those shitty countries have pantsu vending machines

>>20587769
like most things in life it depends on what you want and value

>>20587771
if u get seen at a panty machine as an alt ur fuckin lifes even more over i promise

>>20587769
you waste 3 years during one of the most important periods in your life, that you could have spent on getting your foot into a real profession, to do a job that nobody takes seriously and leads you nowhere.

people only do it because they have a japan boner

For everyone who has never been to japan what do you want to do when you go there one day? I personally want to go to an ANISON MATRIX event

>>20587662
>a community full of writers that love pulling ancient readings out of their ass, making up new words and concepts by smashing kanji and/ or broken english together, and just generally attempting to write grandeur into everything.
I see this as a positive.

>>20587782
What should I value

>>20587787
but imagine the ajatt interview with matt that would result from that incident
>>20587799
i cant tell you that but what i can tell you is youre not gonna make it
not talkin about nihongo either

>>20587769
pay is shit and anyone with any kind of power over u in the workplace will try to treat u like shit

if ur a pussy boy which lets face it all alts are the experience is gonna be absolute trash and ur biggest priority will be either figuring out how to do something else to stay in japan or how to white pig go home as fast as possible

>>20587490
You learn how a word is written in kanji, you don't learn kanji so you can write words.
It sucks I know but that's how the language works.

nah dude its mandatory to memorize thousands of kanji before even thinking about playing a video game or exploring anything from japan

if ur reading this right now and not watching 10000 hours of eng subbed anime i only have 1 question

why

>>20587769
if chad (which you are not if you post here)
>everyone will love you

if pasty geek (which you are if you post here)
>everyone will make it a game to make your life a living hell

>>20587806
Nice projection lmao

think of it like this

remember the nick (was that his name?) vid

literally fell in love with a career slut tried to expose her and get roflstomped outta the country

>>20586492
No, I still don't know what that symbol is.

>>20587854
How american of you.

>>20587854
i think its 1 of those codes u scan with ur keitai lol

>>20587861
Oh, is is supposed to be an 'mm'?

i love this guy

im sayin i want another nick vid
is that wrong

>>20587879
You're a sharp one. ㎜

>i know its supposed to be mm but what is this strange wide kanji that definitely isnt the letters mm

>>20587887
i want another nick vid after he gains some self esteem

he literally thinks matt is better than him at japanese despite spending more time there not in the toilet and being able to write this https://pastebin.com/qDAs3hkR

like how fuckin down in the dumps do u have to be to think something that retarded

>>20587912
i meant a different dude maybe a cultist from the start goin through those tough times and talkin about his troubles that all started when he bought pantsu
but that would be good too
hed better record it himself cause matt aint gonna upload it when nick shows his zituryoku

i dont wanna see nothin from those twitter fags

whjat i want the most in 2019 is a calvin success story

dont make me think about calvin i only want the best for him and its tragic

lmfao we got a long ways to go for that tho

the turning point will be
>day 3 - im reading eroge??????

>>20585461
What would you consider a decent reading speed? I can manage about 20 pages of an LN/novel in an hour or so.

でございます　>　であります　>　です
Anyone know if this actually happened and if people used to use でございます all the time?

>>20588026
I've heard that です is a short form of でございます not であります.

i wonder if this theory is fact i bet the experts of djt will know

The experts in DJT apparently learned nihongo without any learning aids so there should be real experts here.

俺はハンサム

i truly how mad this guy is and i hope he stays here forever

>>20588117
enjoy
as it were

>>20587997
i would mentor that boy if he became an erogamer

i could take him under my wing and teach him about the sweet and sour of life

Most important thing to know is it's all about vocabulary size, so it's all about Anki. Use it every day, better to go light with the number of new words a day than to give up, it needs to be sustainable, I say aim for 30 minutes a day. Don't be afraid to suspend words that are hard or not useful (Like typewriter).

Also pick up a hobby of watching Anime now and then, always with subs, and always listen to the language and not just read.

At the very least, learn katakana, which is the language used to write and pronounce English words.

Learning a language is worth it even if you never use it, it's very interesting and a fun challenge.

hey put that on the welcome page of the new site

>>20588147
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLpeX4RRo28

>>20588093
I used a dictionary as a learning aid and I remember reading through Tae Kim once.

But if you're a real man you go through 10000 hours of anime and from there on you just guess the words behind the kanji without a dictionary or taekim to hold your hand.

why does animelon use an entire fucking CPU core when i try and load it.
Is it mining crypto or some shit?

it would use ur gpu then innit mate

>>20588026
Satoko is the best ございます character. I learned how to use ございます from her.
圭一さんは渡さないでございましてよ！

>>20588185
She's also the best wall decoration.

>>20588185
this is what i mean when i tell u guys not to talk like the anime

>>20588182
>be me
>play FFIX in Japanese for shits and giggles
>see 仲間
>try to guess the meaning of it after a while
>was totally right

Is "A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar" superior to online guides like Tae Kim?

>>20588207
>>20588182

>>20588207
Nice.

>>20588206
Yeah, you're supposed to say でござる

ATTENTION DJT #2078

USE MORE THAN ONE DECK. MINE A KANJI DECK AND A VOCAB DECK AND STUDY GRAMMAR FROM A BOOK. ANIME ISN'T REAL. CARRY ON.

is ござる an irregular verb? why doesn't it become ござります? Grammar retard here

>>20588235
its over just die already u cant stop this revolution

>>20587605
>what about native speakers? do they know all readings?
they are all borderline analphabets even after going to and finishing college after 18 years of non-stop studying and drilling. a nip can have a superior IQ of 125+ and still fucking suck at Nihonogo.

Japanese is one of the most retarded languages in the world because it is a modified clusterfuck Lego set built on 1000+ year old Chinkaboo sentiment for subhuman dog eating insectoids. Honestly, what were those god damn island monkeys thinking?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJNxPRBvRQg

I used to be like any other optimistic weeb, who, one day decided to learn this shit because of my deep weeb respect for their retarded, repressive commie-like culture, their obscene sex deviation, their quirky mangos and because I wanted to play those niche nip jrpgs on my ps2 and feel really hardcore.
It started out all fine and dandy. I had the kana down in less than a week. Easy-peasy I thought. You are gonna blaze through this shit and 海賊王に俺はなる.
Then came the kanji. 木. Hey, a tree! 山. Hey, a mountain! Heck yeah, this is easy! The characters even sort of looks like trees and mountains.

*RECORD SCRATCH*

Wait a minute... This isn't tennis! This is anal sex!!

And that's how I learned that for everything you were supposed to learn, you had to learn at least twice as much. So you either drop it now, or you accept it for what it is and just mind numbingly brute force your way through hell. Because once you decide to learn this retarded language you don't just drop it after 1-2 years, since everything you did up to that point is like flushing a turd down the shitter.

DO.NO.LEARN.JAPANESE. unless you swore an oath on your own life to see it through to the bitter end of learning at least 20k words, 10k kanji and their respective on and kun readings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZpqRmRXEBw

btw im anthy and all u woke boys are the valiant utena

>>20588241
Why do you write like someone on Gaia online?

Confession: I post stupid shit on djt and bait people into responding with even more stupid shit and then I read it all because I'm a masochist. Tips for quitting?

>>20588228
Yeah, my sister is cute.

>>20588263
Because that's the only way you understand.

>>20588270
i do the same except i aint baitin
result is the same

>>20588270
bring down ur walls and just be real

be trill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKEneur-afQ

>>20585721
そのとーり
僕は結構自分のちんこも他人のお珍さま好き
ただしゃぶりたくなるとしゃぶれないもんだし
ちんちん好きでも交際性が求められる点はノンケと変わらない

I decided to stop reading Kiniro Mosaic and start reading Mitsuboshi Colors instead, holy shit having furigana is a god send makes it so much easier to read through and fun not having to spend 5 minutes looking up kanji I don't yet know via their radicals.

The fuck is a -taru adjective?

>>20588287
わかりました
今から辞めます
本当になります

>>20588337
Manga is not reading. Not to mention it's shit material for beginners because it doesn't have audio. If you like Mitsuboshi then subs2srs it.

>>20588238
It's a special verb like なさる or　下さる

>>20588368
Always makes me laugh how alike the people are here to "experienced" linux users on /g/

>Hi guys just installed Ubuntu
>Ubuntu is shit, it's not real Linux and it's terrible for beginners because you don't learn anything if the installer does everything for you, if you want real Linux then you should use Gentoo or LFS

>Who are yo-
/fglt/

>>20588357
本気になれよ

>>20588435
if u really wanna bring the experienced linux users out ask how to set up all the texthookers and ocrs and hentai games all on linux

>>20588337
>holy shit having furigana is a god send makes it so much easier to read through and fun not having to spend 5 minutes looking up kanji I don't yet know via their radicals.
you will never ever make it.

>>20588241
>10k kanji
you dont know enough to say that NEXT

>>20588501
i mean what do u expect from anyone that posts that image here

>>20588476
Yes not if I continued as I was, I spent more time looking up kanji than reading. Every time I hit a word I didn't know it took 5 - 10 minutes to look it up via radicals sometimes longer which is a waste of time, it's much better having furigana to prompt me and more often than not the furigana give me a kick and I realise I know the word just not the kanji which means saving it to my anki deck takes 5 seconds not 5 minutes allowing me to actually focus on reading and not more kanji grinding which doesn't actually teach you Japanese.

Why are you shitposting here when you could be using Japanese?

atelier games made in this and the last decade are complete trash

tfw last decade doesn't mean the 90s

>>20588435
That's the shittiest analogue ever, you have got to be american.

Boke: matt
Tukomi: nuke
Moe thru helplessness: calvin
Seemingly perfect at first glance: dolly

>>20588435
Ubuntu is terrible and the vast majority of its users don't get anything out of it. You can definitely "learn linux" with other distros than Gentoo or linux from scratch.

>>20588466
Your best bet is probably setting up a VM.
The only other sane way to go about it is by using wine but support is most likely terrible especially for newer games so unless you want to be writing your own winetricks or don't mind not being able to play the majority of games I'd say give it a shot. I have no idea if ITHVNR somehow works out of the box with the wine layer but if it doesn't have fun writing your own hooker for shaky emulated windows runtime bro.

>>20588630

盛大に精を射ました

>>20588572
I don't like high impact sexual violence

I have a challenge.

Explain the difference between だけ, しかない and ばっかり with image(s).

>>20588690
gust games are ftw tho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=973FmJ_kMmw

>>20588739
nah

Are Dolly's vids even any good?

>>20588758
no

>>20588758
hell yea

What the frick it still takes me like 45 minutes to read a goblin slayer chapter

spending too much time thinkin abt japanese instead of reading more xd

>>20588690
Just don't get the Australian version and you are good

>>20588815
read something good instead

goblin slayers aight but yall are prolly too young to appreciate the finer parts of it

I been reading jojo too in fact i just started part 2 I just thought after 4 and a half months of reading I'd be able to read gs faster

I can never tell if the gs anon is reading the manga or the ln.

Manga cuz im a scrub but I have the novel bookmarked and i hope I do end up reading novels, even just 10 mins a day on top of manga would be fine

theres nothng scrubby about enjoying manga

ur letting the retards actually impact ur self esteem

>>20587740
>you're some kind of super moron that thinks you can learn grammar by just reading more and never referring back to anything.
If you weren't an eternal beginner you'd know by experience that this is true. Do you remember studying grammar from books as a baby when you learned your native language? Didn't think so.

>You can call me an eternal beginner all you want
Okay, I'll keep calling you one because it's clear that you are. You clearly have very little if any experience with Japanese outside of beginner resources based on your lack of understanding of how language learning works.

im feelin too compelled someone bring me back down to djt

>>20585347
>>20585354
neither of them are arguing, they are asking

>>20585365
i don't think it's necessarily worthless because even when i know all the words in a sentence it sometimes takes me a second to understand the sentence. when you drill sentences you've at some point understood, you're improving your comprehension speed. that said i don't mine sentences because i'm too lazy to bother and reading probably works well enough.

>>20585543
i've only encountered like 3 of those readings in the VN i'm currently reading, granted i'm only about halfway through.

>>20589464
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q3ef4IUBOg#t=24

>>20585543
I feel like a beginner and I know words for all of those readings, does that count?

>>20585543
I only know せい　う　い off the top of my head

>>20586718
damn you got me.

>>20587794
i never plan on going there. i'll pay for lessons on some website to improve my speaking and then i'll do maintenance before moving on to some minimum wage job while i die of loneliness.

>>20587912
i think it's time to accept that nick doesn't just have low self esteem. he's competent at japanese and has recognized matt's superiority.

>>20589544
inspirational enough to save someone fated to not make it

>>20589551
In particular I only know むす from 苔の生すまで and 草生す屍（かばね） and nothing else, but I think the first one is officially spelled as むす and Japanese dum dums think it's 蒸す so あの国はもうだめだと思って良い

jcat at 6 months ajatt

>>20589636
jcat at 11 months ajatt
is it good? have you guys taken the test and in such case what did you get

hysterically laughing at the idea that someone spends 11 months shitting on ajatt in djt everyday while an ajatter simply gets good in the mean time
many ajatters

proof ?

jlpt n1 is the shit, what else do you need

to know japanese ideally

Guys if I have a criminal record can I still get into Japan and get myself a harem of jap girls? I can r...right? I've heard they are pretty strict.

that guys not doin ajatt if hes postin en eigo

if u got real ninja connections and money anythings possible

b t f o

そのものはあのたてもののおくもののたべもののものならばいいものじゃないのかしら。

So what credentials do you put in for that JCAT site?

>>20589800
your real ones?
pic related courtesy of le reddit (xD). ajatt really works niggas

what if i mine words and read and watch anime for 4 hours a day but don't do sentences or rtk

>>20589819
I don't have real credentials since I do not truly exist.

what if questions arent gonna get u knowin nihongo

clicking here is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9ufP3Kn4Uk

>>20589819
torn between feeling that reddit is abhorrent and that djt shitposting is ultimately done by people who aren't any better

my job is to get you outta here so you can still make it before its too late

what a coincidence

what a coincidence

Any recommended 5ch boards?

I've been feeling that every time nukemarine ("nuke") is mentioned on djt it's actually someone telling me to get out of here for my own good

>>20589921
why

cause hes nuke and he knows he be slackin again

>>20589925
nuke means leave in japanese