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DJT - Daily Japanese Thread

Stupid looking dog edition

https://djtguide.neocities.org/
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前スレ: >>20554593

>> No.20564928

ohio

>> No.20564935
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20564935

>>20563223

ことはない as i understand means i haven't when used after a verb

>> No.20564964
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20564964

Ok, I just can't do 20 a day apparently.

>> No.20564977

>>20564935
nai when used as a verb is the negative form of aru.

>> No.20565025

>>20564935
ぜんごによって

いみかわるとおもう

>あやまることはない

ぜんぜんちがった3つのいみある

>> No.20565065
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20565065

what's ん before じゃ doing here?

>> No.20565069

>>20564964
When I was doing Anki I was doing 500 cards in half hour. Not worrying about definitions just reading. My mining deck started getting ridiculous and I realized that since I knew all the common vocab it was pointless. Anki should just be a tool to get you started.

>> No.20565096

>>20565069
So when you were doing Anki you weren't actually doing it and thus you concluded it was useless.
Good job.

>> No.20565141

>>20565069
this guys got it figured out
>>20565096
this guy doesnt

>> No.20565146

>>20564964
imo just ride it to 2k and ignore the 6k after

>> No.20565162

to the new lads in these threads:

it's going to take about half a year before the groundwork for sentences start making sense since you need to build up a lot of vocab and grammar rules to get into your skull. just keep it at for a couple - few hours every day and you can do it

>> No.20565172

what do you consider the groundwork
should start at least feelin a basis with understandin easy sentences in your mangas after a few volumes of yotuba or whatever you choose instead if its not completely over your head
more important advice is to relax have fun dont obsess over the shit you dont understand be compelled by the shit you do understand and the nihongo will come
and dont spend more than an hour a day on anki

>> No.20565176

>>20565162
thanks senpai

>> No.20565181

>>20562755
You need to have at least a minimum set of known kanji say maybe 50 or 100 more common ones. I got them while reading grammar books, usually there are dialog sections for daily situations, this combined with seeing variety shows, anime and a bit of mining new kanjis.

The thing is to keep trying, you will eventually arrive at a version of yourself who knows japanese. How many time it will take? well It does not really matter, time will pass anyway :)

>> No.20565196

the groundwork is the foundation of the whole shindig, it's where you can really start building up without having to second-guess yourself more than twice a line. the hardest part of learning japanese is the second week, because that's when you start doubting yourself at your weakest

protip: if you wanna watch anime, use animelon and only use japanese subtitles, you can click on the words and glean their definitions. it won't be accurate some of the time, but context is all you need.

>> No.20565208

generally agree then

>> No.20565313

>>20564856
yoshi time for my reps

>> No.20565320

Anyone knows what's the japanese slang in videogames for being the one that does most if not all the work? Or the one that leads the team to victory?
Basically the equivalent for the slang carry.

>> No.20565410

>>20565065
same as んだ

>> No.20565455

It is possible to be interested in japanese culture and language without being a weeb

>> No.20565464

>>20565455
Yes, but you're already a weeb since you're here.

>> No.20565527

Time to spend all Saturday studying!

>> No.20565563

>>20565464
I wouldn't mind being a weeb, but I don't know how.
I only started watching anime last year when I began learning japanese and reading manga since like 1 month ago.
I can't relate to anything in this board aside this thread.
Is there like a guide for becoming a weeb?

>> No.20565579

>>20565563
Just watch more anime, the rest comes naturally. DJT is originally /a/ not /jp/ anyway

>> No.20565613
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20565613

>主婦
>主夫

>> No.20565615

>>20565563
this board is containment for the most degenerate of weebery dont worry about not relatin
watch more anime read some vns someone can post ntrs recs for the vns if you need em

>> No.20565645

>>20565613
奥さん

>> No.20565685

>>20565615
vns i know, but what are ntrs

>> No.20565693

>>20565563
if you want to jump straight to the highest levels of degeneracy then start watching VOICEROID実況 on ニコニコ動画
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm33271096

>> No.20565736

>>20565693
What the hell is this. I get a feeling in 5 to 10 years you'll be able to generate terabytes of such shit with neural networks on a whim.

>> No.20565752

>>20565736
素晴らしいだね~

>> No.20565779
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20565779

>>20565685
ntr is what i call our most famous shitposter until he gives me somethin better sorry bout that
im just sayin his vn recommendations are the best djt has got

>> No.20565795

>>20565779
i just wanna read harry potter.
i'm gonna read harry potter

>> No.20565802

>>20565795
if it keeps you engaged then go get that nihongo

>> No.20565808

I've spent way too much time autistically researching the best Anki addons and scheduler settings. Is there any need for a short guide on this?

>> No.20565815

>>20565795
Fair warning, it has like a billion unique words.

>> No.20565833

>>20565808
I'd love something like this. Especially the scheduler settings. After a year and a half of ankidroning it's clear to me the default settings are shit, but I'm too autistic to change them without research and too lazy to do the research myself.

>> No.20565836

based dollysensei
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaSPO5lL0yQ

>> No.20565841

>>20565808
someone made an addon that did it all that stuff automatically for anki 2.1 but apparently it caused sync errors for someone until they uninstalled it so ymmv
i was here when they posted it and apparently they only worked on it for a few hours so honestly its pretty impressive that it worked at all

>> No.20565854

>>20565841
Post a link or name of the addon
>>20565833
Suggestions for the format?
Addon name - settings - explanation?

>> No.20565865

>>20565836
>Japanese people think in kanji
We have the greatest linguistic breakthrough of XXI century here boys

>> No.20565866

>>20565854
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1744022099

>Add-on was great for a while, I like the idea of what it does but unfortunately it kept causing sync errors that made anki pretty unusable so I had to uninstall it which fixed the issue.

>> No.20565878

>>20565866
I've came across that one
It doesn't incorporate all the changes I would make

>> No.20565888

>>20565878
what other changes would you make?

>> No.20565902

>>20565854
>Suggestions for the format?
I'd love to read some general theory on how Anki works, how does it presume human memory to work and how does human memory "actually" work, to justify tweaking the settings. By the way, does Anki save the statistics of answers out of the box, and if it does, how much of it?

>> No.20565922

>>20565902
anki doesn't actually know any of that, it's just a way of searching for the longest interval you can go without forgetting something

the supermemo and anki websites have a bunch of text about the supposed theory of how SM2 (anki's spaced repetition algorithm) works but it's complete bollocks

it does save that stuff out of the box. every single card-answering event you ever make is stored in the collection file, which is an sqlite database

>> No.20565959

>>20565902
anki is just tryin to clone supermemo and supermemo gives some theory of at least what they are tryin to do but you shouldnt take any of it as fact
if you want to know whats good or bad you should probably read papers and come to your own conclusions
anki stats are recalculated when you open the stats window from review history so that should give you an idea of whats stored
it saves a sqlite database entry every time you are shown a card and hit again easy good or hard
havent looked at the review history but the way cards are stored is a mess so dont expect a nice schema

>> No.20565960

>>20565902
It does, but the insight you can get from that is very limited. You can see for yourself in the statistics tab
>>20565888
Starting ease, better intervals after lapses, load balancing. Also the addons I'm using work together very well and don't cause any errors

>> No.20565970

>>20565922
Oh cool. With the statistics you can make some general assumptions about the function of probability to forget a card by the time since last review, either for the collection in general, for individual decks or adding some additional variables for cards (like number of relapses, or maybe number of relapses divided by time since the card first appeared), then with said assumptions you could determine the free variables using the statistics database, as long as you have a big enough deck with enough statistics, and then optimise the interval-choosing algorithm to maximise the rate of mature card number growth by the number of daily reps. That's what Anki devs should have done were they not drooling retards anyway.
Too bad I'm a lazy piece of shit who won't do anything. That sounds kinda fun.

>> No.20565986

>>20565970
anki's dev is one of the biggest drooling retards i've ever seen and supermemo's dev was driven literally insane by trying to analyze flashcard answer statistics so yeah

the best indicator for whether you're going to remember a card is probably the longest interval you've ever answered successfully with it

>> No.20565989

why use statistics when you can just train a shitty neural net and hope for the best isnt that the way of the future

>> No.20565997

spoiler: simple neural networks are literally statistical models

>> No.20565999

>>20565986
>supermemo's dev was driven literally insane by trying to analyze flashcard answer statistics
Story?

>> No.20566007

>>20565989
I've been thinking of this too, but the amount of training data a neural net needs to be effective makes this infeasible on your data alone.
Maybe if anons unite and collect that kind of data we could optimize our Ankidroning experience and become the perfect hivemind

>> No.20566011

>>20565999
read any part of the sm website and you will see the insanity seeping through the words and sentences he wrote, graphically
https://www.supermemo.com/help/faq/genius.htm

>> No.20566019

>>20566007
You should probably optimise algorithm parameters for people individually. Differences between how good people memorise shit will make any gains in precision from increased statistics pointless.

>> No.20566022

>>20566019
Language learing is roughly the same for everyone. There will always be slight differences, but not enough to justfy that.
Especially if all our data comes from autists in their 20s learning Japanese

>> No.20566028

>>20565997
but the magic of it you get shitty results for minimal effort and tell yourself more data will fix it
at least its better than puttin in a ton of work and bein disappointed
>>20566007
even assuming everyone is using anki in a similar way the variance in card quality and in the reading to anki balance of each user is a problem

>> No.20566034

>correct rate drops past %50 after I unsuspend 60 cards
Oh no /jp/ I'm not going to make it

>> No.20566036

>>20566028
no i mean like they're exactly the same thing, not the same kind of thing or derived in different ways, they're exactly the same, in creation function and form

>> No.20566042

>>20566028
Not a problem. We can restrict ourselves to Core and mining decks. Reading will be close to the average for everyone too, and outliers can be filtered

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20566048

>>20565836
>lego language
>english: dog i'm very fond of
>japanese: love dog
I'm so confused why the chinese didn't make their characters as intuitive as wingdings. If they gonna make drawings that have a meaning why not just sketch a dog. You can't tell me 犬 is a dog.

Here's an example. Pic related. You can tell what I'm trying to convey.

>> No.20566055

>>20566048
Imagine being a Chinese scribe in 1000 BC and redrawing the same sketch of a dog tens of thousands of times as you copy old scrolls. You'd want something simpler to write.

>> No.20566061

>>20566036
maybe i should learn more
>>20566042
youd probably get a lot of data if you announced plans to do it

>> No.20566085

>>20566061
The problem is I'm not sure what kind of data. According to the addons I selected, your true retention should eventually stablize around 85% on it's own, which seems like the sweet spot for accuracy/effectiveness/difficulty. What else do we want to maximize?

>> No.20566090

>>20566055
yeah it's almost as if having a trillion symbols instead of representations of the sounds we make is a stupid fucking concept

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20566095

*whispers into ur ear*

get em out

>> No.20566106

>>20566048
what do u mean tho both the image and ur post

犬 is a dog it even has a tail u stupid fuck

>> No.20566111

>>20566085
We want to maximize the average number of new (acquired minus lost) mature cards per session divided by number of card reviews per session, since the more review you get, the more time you spend on learning. True retention of 85% is great but it's not worth it if you have 300 reviews per day and could have a true retention of say 70% with 200 reviews per day.

>> No.20566112

btw feel free to use that post on ur dog card flashtards

>> No.20566129

>>20566112
what kind of retard needs a card for 犬

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20566131

うむうむ。

>> No.20566133

>>20566111
>We want to maximize the average number of new (acquired minus lost) mature cards per session divided by number of card reviews per session
This makes sense.
>True retention of 85% is great but it's not worth it
This doesn't. Our model will determine that number

>> No.20566137

welcome to djt

>> No.20566150

>>20566133
Yeah of course assumptions about true retention/daily reps should be model-based.

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20566171

>>20566095

>> No.20566175

>>20566150
Designing a model for this will be hard, because the input is quite complicated.

>> No.20566183

>>20564856
but that dog is so cute

>> No.20566189

stop terrorizing animals with stupid cosplay cancer

>> No.20566191

there's a reason sn2 is so simple

>> No.20566192

>>20566183
how about this dog: 犬

>> No.20566194

ur supposed to think in 漢字 guys so i wanna see u use 漢字s for every 名詞 when u post from now on

>> No.20566202

>>20566194
why stop at 漢字

>> No.20566209

>>20566194
この吾輩を倒せると思うか

>> No.20566211

cuz i wanna turn u all in2 a bunch of chaikas

>> No.20566216

as for 私, その 感じ is 好き

>> No.20566220

>>20566192
cute!

>> No.20566223

>>20566211
感謝

>> No.20566240

>>20566175
Designing shitty models on shitty datasets is sort of what I do professionally so if you get to start some project I'd love to help, just don't expect too much effort.

>> No.20566252

>>20566209
ごめん名前聞いてない

>> No.20566256

>>20566090
Representation of sounds without any meaning denoted, make jack shit to chinese people.
Give chinese speaking person text written in pinyin and ask them what it was about.

>> No.20566266

theyd tell you its about gettin ur ass whooped as they proceed to smack u with the book

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20566288

This is the future of every djter
Keep grinding and never give up.

>> No.20566296

but women are icky, eww

>> No.20566307

>>20566240
I know very little about statistics, and never worked with anki's database. So it's kind of hard for me as well, as I'm not even sure what inputs we have at our disposal

>> No.20566315

>>20566288
3dpd no thx

>> No.20566326

First version of the list of addons that improve the scheduler

>Experimental Card Ease Factor
https://github.com/eshapard/experimentalCardEaseFactor
Modifies the algorithm to work according to the Ebbinghaus forgetting curve model, while targeting a 85% success rate. Also removes the redundant "easy"/"hard" choices. For a more detailed explanation, read https://eshapard.github.io/anki/thoughts-on-a-new-algorithm-for-anki.html

>Avg Ease
https://github.com/eshapard/Anki-avgEase
With the addon above, your cards will eventually stabilize on an ease factor that gives you a success rate of 85%, which may take a lot of reviews. This speeds the process up by assigning new cards a starting ease equivalent to the average ease of your mature cards

>Another Retreat
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1481634779
Because 15% of your reviews will be lapses, we need a better way of handling them instead of just resetting their interval back to one day. This addon's approach is to set it to the last successful interval, which is a sensible default

>Load Balancer Scheduler
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/208879074
A portion of the new interval is randomized by Anki to prevent cards always coming up in the same order they were introduced. This selects the interval with the least number of cards due, resulting in a consistent number of reviews across the week

>Speed Focus Mode
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1046608507
Forces you to concentrate on reviewing instead of browsing 4channel by automatically selecting 'again' after a given number of seconds. Helps cut down review time. You shouldn't be spending more than 10s per card anyway, as the goal is to be able to recall words quickly

>> No.20566366

>>20566194
漢字が見たいんだって?
門外漢なのによく頑張るね!凄い!

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>>20566326
i found the best anki scheduler tool

>> No.20566373

>>20566369
based retard

this post made by ankidrone hivemind

>> No.20566374

>>20566288
>A girl who fucks directors and producers to advance her career
I'd rather be a lonely virgin.

>> No.20566380

>>20566366
just the nouns are fine bro 1 step at a time

>> No.20566386

>>20566374
get u one of them gruff career ladies they out there bro cuz boys are pussies and dont wanna work lol

got more game and most of these guys too they runnin blocks and pimpin ikemens all day

>> No.20566388

>>20566307
Anki's API is designed to be usable by retards so playing with it shouldn't be hard as long as you use a self-written addon to access it. For now, could you make some place to store writings in? Both >>20566326 and the thoughts on how to analyze Anki data and improve algorithm in general would go there.

>> No.20566395

just watch anime dude

>> No.20566400

Does anyone here have experience with finding a pen pal through mylanguageexchange.com?
Seems like a good way to practice output. Though barely anyone is interested in my native language.

>> No.20566406

the most worthwhile ppl arent doing penpal shit

that hsits for weirdos

>> No.20566407

>>20566388
I could make a public github repo, but don't you think it's a little early for that?
Maybe we should get /int/ on board as well

>> No.20566409

>>20566400
what is your native language?

>> No.20566413

>>20565065
「やるんじゃ」 is a colloquial form of 「やるなら」

「やるならやるんならやるんじゃ」
http://www.edewakaru.com/archives/13144820.html

>> No.20566420

>>20566406
>weirdos
birds of a feather

>> No.20566421

>>20566406
I am a fucking weirdo, where do you think you are

>>20566409
Persian

>> No.20566427

>>20566406
like someone who lives in djt posting rap videoes and telling people to watch anime?

>> No.20566428

>>20566421
no i mean really weirdo

u think ur weird cuz u jack off to cartoons and arent employable? lol thats normal its 2019

>> No.20566432

Speaking of Anki, whenever I add cards through Yomichan they get random numbers as their 'due' number and end up showing first in new cards unless I manually randomize the order. (As in - if I don't randomize the order each time I add new cards, I'll never ever get to my older added cards)
Anybody know why this happens or how to solve it?

>> No.20566434

>>20566427
im the weirdest and the most retarded never denying that

>> No.20566439

>>20566428
>u think ur weird cuz u jack off to cartoons and arent employable?
I have fapped to brain eater anon.

>> No.20566440

>>20566428
>really weirdo
What does that entail?
How much weird can you get before touching the criminal levels?

>> No.20566441

>>20566366
>見たいんだって?
yikes dude

>> No.20566464

>>20566432
manually add your cards, the time you spend adding them manually is actually healthy time where you can think about the word

>> No.20566466

>>20566407
It'd compel me to do something instead of lazying away. I think. Also easier to get people on board this way.

>> No.20566480

>>20566464
But I add too many words to do that... It would take me way too long to do that, yomi-chan adds kanji, kana, multiple dictionaries' meanings, and audio. That shit would take forever.

>> No.20566496

>>20566406
>that hsits for weirdos
and you're saying this in /jp/?

>> No.20566515

i didnt realize yall were so self conscious i figured yall woulda been comfortable with ur relative level of weird my mistake

>> No.20566520

>>20566480
Youre adding too much, just add the word, the kana, and a picture, you can make a hint field for the english translation or start defining it in japanese if you can. If you lapse you can go lookup a sentence and add it too. I add at least 20 words a day this way and have no problem. Lapses are going away more and more and I'm understanding the words better.

>> No.20566526

そうになる

>> No.20566534

>>20566466
https://github.com/mstarodub/anki-optimization
Haven't added anything regarding the model yet

>> No.20566544

>>20566326
Matt is a genius and he already solved this issue:
https://massimmersionapproach.com/table-of-contents/anki/low-key-anki/low-key-anki-summary-and-installation/

>> No.20566546

solved means hes not gonna change his advice lol

>> No.20566549

>>20566544
It's outdated

>> No.20566550

>>20566549
He's never presented outdated information EVER.

>> No.20566551

>>20566550
>No Penalties or Boosting and Pass/Fail addons only work for Anki 2.0

>> No.20566554

>>20566551
2.0 is the superior version.

>> No.20566562

who would u take advice from

he who eats in toilet

or he who be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5y4L4bneyM#t=77

>> No.20566565

>>20566554
Only if you like writing addons with python2

>> No.20566570

>>20566534
Cool, thanks. I'll get around and start with some autistic walls of texts in a few days. If you know any other blogs that wrote about fixing Anki algorithm and are worth checking out, write them down somewhere, like for example eshapard's blog looks quite useful.

>> No.20566576

>>20566520
I'm not looking to "improve" my mining method. I'm looking to solve a technical problem.

>> No.20566580
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20566580

What do you guys use to practice production (specifically writing)?
A few people i know have "Japanese twitter" accounts where they tweet in jp as practice and get their stuff checked by natives.

>> No.20566581

>>20566580
and what do the natives get out of this?

>> No.20566594

>>20566576
well the way you're doing it is like a robot and it wont work, you're going to then try to shift a list into a language later

>> No.20566599

>>20566581
They get their english checked on their "English twitter" for those that have them or they are bilingual people that do it out of the kindness of their own hearts.

>> No.20566615

>>20566565
what languages does 2.1 support

>> No.20566620

>>20566599
I have never and will never feel comfortable correcting people's English because I don't really know any grammar rules or concepts. If I don't know how to explain why something is wrong and all I can say is "If you want to express this concept you have to do it with these words" then I feel like a fraud.

>> No.20566625

>>20566570
eshapard's blog is really good, he even wrote something about the anki database
https://eshapard.github.io/anki/open-the-anki-database-from-python.html

gwern is also definetly worth a read, but it's more about spaced repetition in general
https://www.gwern.net/Spaced-repetition

Most other blogs focus on addons and generally aren't really worth reading because the list of addons is exhaustive in terms of functionality, except for https://eshapard.github.io/anki/anki-learning-steps-with-feedback.html which I haven't really looked at yet

I'll add you as a collaborator later

>> No.20566630

>>20566615
python 3 aka the non-obsolete python version

>> No.20566633

>gwern and slatestarcodex getting linked within the past couple days
woah

>> No.20566647

>>20566594
This is the way I've been doing it for two months now and I'm past 1000 words with pretty good retention.

Now if someone knows the solution to this problem I'd be very grateful.>>20566432

>> No.20566657

flashtards

>> No.20566664

>>20566647
You've memorized a list, but the words have no emotional memory or relationship with you. How will you comprehend a language when the words just trigger english lexicons you memorized?

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20566769

watashi wa pen desu

>> No.20566774

>>20566769
how legit is his video? I saw him using genki books and remembering the kanji desu not much hope there

>> No.20566780

>>20566664
How the fuck is your method different? I find these words when I read and I encounter them again when I'm reading. I also try to use the words I learnt when speaking.

>> No.20566833

>>20565563
The way of the otaku (オタク道) is challenging. The path is personal and full of obstacles, you can only find it by profound meditation and self-discovery. The best tip I can give you is: When you are on the ground (you'll fall again and again, believe me) remember your dream and stand up again and again until it becomes reality. This was my personal 道 i discovered after ~2 months of intense meditation
watch more anime
read more manga
read more vns
read more lns
play more japanese games

ganbare

>> No.20566835

一番鋭い鉛筆になりたい

>> No.20566854

>>20566774
he has much favorable conditions with friend with whom he can speak in jap and also he may be just that good?

>> No.20566857

>>20566780
You may aswell be reading and trying to memorize a dictionary. There's foreigner professional scrabble players who memorize english dictionaries and they can't speak or understand enlgish at all. That's what you're doing the japanese.
When I find a new word I look it up and think about it, understand it, try to find the best picture to represent it, and all in japanese. I read things about the word, sentences it's used in, etc. I make a card that triggers emotional memory and a vast web of experience. There is useful ways to do anki and bombarding/brute forcing your brain isn't the way.
I on the

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>barely a week in
>kanas are done; now studying Kanji radicals while reading Tae Kim’s grammar guide
>not even close to being proficient enough to read yet
>having fun and eager to learn
I can’t wait to read イカ娘 and ゆるゆり.

>> No.20566872

>>20566857
>That's what you're doing the japanese.
even though he just told you he reads japanese

>> No.20566883

>>20566862
>>not even close to being proficient enough to read yet
its gonna be a struggle to start no matter how long you wait
but it doesnt sound like youre fuckin up yet so gambare

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>>20566862
pretty productive for a week and actually enjoying the process is good to hear anon

>> No.20566886

>>20566872
This guy's delusional.

>> No.20566891

>こんなはずじゃあ
meaning of this? google translate isn't helping

>> No.20566892

>>20566872
yea you ever heard the story of the guy that knew over 10k words from anki and reading but couldn't comprehend anything? when taken around japanese people was a deer in headlights? That will be him.

>> No.20566898

>>20566581
>what do the natives get out of this?
Are you seriously asking that people should get something for correcting others on the internet because that's not something that just happens?

>> No.20566903

>>20566891
Something like "this is the way it should be"

>> No.20566908

>>20566892
where do you get the idea that anything is wrong beyond his cards having too much text on them
you know whats better than optimizing anki is reading more

>> No.20566926

>>20566891
ja = da or de wa

>> No.20566935

>>20566903
I was thinking of something more along the lines of "this can't be" or "it shouldn't be like this/ this can't be happening"?

>> No.20566942

>>20566908
You need pictures for the words you learn, you need interaction and thoughtfulness of them or you're just going to be decoding japanese the rest of you life.

>> No.20566947

>>20566935
That all depends on the context and the tone. The meanings are technically the same until you know the context.

>> No.20566958

>>20566942
but I agree reading is good, I just think it's faster and better getting to know the words then robotic style of droning you guys are obsessed with

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>>20566947
I forgot my image, but have no idea what the next box is trying to say, either.

>> No.20566968

>>20566942
how do you read without interaction and thoughtfulness of the scene being described
if somehow you cant manage that theres always anime
also whats your opinion on the correct way to learn verbs from that viewpoint
>>20566958
thats reasonable but i think youre overselling the importance

>> No.20566982

It literally took me 7 minutes to read the first page of ika musume.
私は死にたい。

>> No.20566994

>>20566982
how old are you?

>> No.20567014

>>20566968
Just a pic of somebody doing the verb. Grammatical stuff is the trickiest because you really can't get imagery for that. So I'll make a sentence and leave part of it out, etc.

>> No.20567018

>>20566959
N-no way...

This must be...

Somehow... Although it should've been the gachigachi(strict?) bank's race(???) according to the rumors

(I'm bad but that's what I think it is. Might be wrong.)

>> No.20567029

>>20565563
>>20566833
Cool story but manga isn't reading.

>> No.20567045

>>20567018
I have no idea either since I don't play Granblue. I'm not sure what the gachi gachi bank race is supposed to be.

>> No.20567087

Does anyone know if there's a decent J-J dictionary for yomichan out there? If not, I'll make my own scraping HTML, but it would be nice to know before I go through the effort.

>> No.20567094

>>20566903
Wow you are stupid. Why are you replying if you don't even know a little bit of Japanese?

>> No.20567133

>>20567087
I don't know? But sounds cool, hook me up if you come up with something.

>> No.20567161

>>20567094
Again with morons who only whine about other people bad buy not giving corrections?

>> No.20567185

>>20567133
Sure, I'm getting sick of reading definitions in English myself. Sanseido has some nice, concise definitions, so I figure it's better to use them.

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>> No.20567254

>>20567087
Daijirin is okayish

>> No.20567268

You can only do N test once every year in December?

>> No.20567300

>>20566862
Nice, I'm at the same place. Blazed through the whole kana, started reading through JtMW and getting used to anki. We're all going to make it.

>> No.20567306

>>20567254
Hmm interesting project, but not really what I want. Something that integrates in browser with yomichan would be nicer. Really all I plan to do is taking all the words in the J-E dictionary, scraping J definitions, and then replacing the English definitions with the Japanese one. Honestly, I'm kind of surprised no one has done it yet (at least not publicaly).

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>>20567242

>> No.20567415

>>20565836
wow dolly is right. and for the 3rd time ever i learned a word from reading the other day. 入学. i could have just learned it in anki though.

>> No.20567420

u dont learn with anki

u remember

>> No.20567427

>>20567306
you can use jap dictionaries in yomichan

>> No.20567433

>>20567420
the way i "learned" 入学 yesterday i could have "learned" in anki.

>> No.20567434

>>20567427
How do I get one though?

>> No.20567464

>>20567434
don't feel like telling you but it's easy

>> No.20567471

>>20567434
read the fukken guide my dude

>> No.20567494

>>20567433
i dont wanna hear about how some noob "learned" a word most ppl do within watching 5 mins of anime

come back when youve "learned" japanese

>> No.20567522

I remeber reading a doujin a couple of months ago and on the womans inner thigh the kanji 正 or something like that was written repeatedly. What does the kanji mean in a sexual context?

>> No.20567527

whats the best epwing dictionary to use for yomi? Daijirin ?

>> No.20567541

>>20567464
>>20567471
Shit, I didn't realize it was possible to convert EPWING to a usable json format. Thanks. Now I feel retarded.

>> No.20567544

>>20567522
it means shes not a playa she just fucks a lot

>> No.20567547

how the fuck is a dictionary 3gb?!

>> No.20567558

>>20567544
How is it read? I don't really see how it translates to someone who likes sex. The kanji means "correct", right?

>> No.20567562

>>20567547
Because EPWING is a braindead retarded proprietary format.

>> No.20567567

>>20567558
he's fucking with you. It's supposed to mean something like "this is the right spot" for you to do your thing.

>> No.20567577

>>20567558
theyre tally marks dude thats how theyre done

if u wanted to read it maybe go with v lol *makes double v sign ahegao*

>> No.20567598

>>20567242
>use visual representations to introduce new vocab
You mean like Kanji?

>> No.20567606

Reeee stop using anki I don't want to use it so you must stop too.

>> No.20567612

神様恵む the fact that Yotsuba reading pack exists.
I was staring at とーちやん for like 3 minutes trying to work out what the fuck it was saying.
informal/slurred/dropped speech is a fuck.

>> No.20567614

who cares if u use it ur just likely to suck forever

>> No.20567621

>>20564856
Cute doggo

>> No.20567622

now this >>20567612 is the shit to reeee abt

>> No.20567641

>>20567598
Yea because you can learn what a star is by just making a dot on a piece of paper too right? You need emotional and interactive brain intanglement, not a list downloaded to your braindead memory banks.

>> No.20567643

What do you guys think of https://bilingualmanga.com
Having a one click switch between English and 日本語; as well as the fact that the text is overlayed so it's easy to copy into dictionaries makes it pretty nice to use.

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>>20567612
I have the same problem with pic related. I remember when I first started reading youtsuba that I didn't understand the elders in the manga at all. You get used to it so just hang in there

>> No.20567659

>>20567643
if it makes the japanese more comprehensible its fine

if u focus on translation and translation quality instead of more simpler concepts to associate with the japanese u already lost

>> No.20567673

>>20567558
look up how many strokes it has

>> No.20567685

>>20566754
街頭 演説 中 gaitou enzetsu tyu

Means “soapbox oratory”

>> No.20567700

>>20567433
Are you enjoying your first piece of compelling content

>> No.20567714

>>20567494
but then why the hell should i learn vocab through reading instead of treating reading as learning japanese and treating anki as learning vocab? that seems the most efficient. in the very least i should mine while reading and then remember words with anki instead of relying on exposure.
>>20567700
not really.

>> No.20567717

>>20566982
日本語なら仕方ないよ。
頑張れ。応援してる。

>> No.20567748

if **** knows nihongo now why does he leave the manga on his walls?

>> No.20567770

nothing wrong with having fun with your hobby like that. quit making fun of him for it. we're on /jp/ for crying out loud

>> No.20567778

>>20567714
im sure its all gonna work out well for you make sure to let us all know when u can proudly say https://vocaroo.com/i/s1XiDGLYtzE6

>> No.20567782

what makes this thread better than the one on int?

>> No.20567816

nothing go there

>> No.20567854

>>20567782
I sometimes have both open but it's a little more chill here.

>> No.20567880

>>20567714
Ankidroning is more "efficient" in the beginning yes, but what you are learning is a different script for an english word, not it's real meaning, its usage, and it's feel. Learning a word through context makes it easier to remember and after you stop spending 30 minutes trying to wrap your head around a page, you are better off just learning through input really.
I don't see how you can separate learning "japanese" and learning "vocab". Unless you are reading fake japanese from a textbook there's always going to be words you don't know, and by reading you are studying vocab. plus japanese is a completely different language with lots of untraslatable words, that you can only understand through reading more.

>> No.20567924

>>20567567
i can almost imagine someone believing this 笑う

>> No.20567927

>>20567880
Yea keyword when learning a language is meaningful. That's why reading works, that's why imagery is so good, etc. Dead lists can be scafolding to help you later but they're not aquisition of the language and it's not as efficient as people think.

>> No.20567950

Oh shit I got the monolingual yomichan working! Some of these entries are like a wikipedia page though, but cool, thanks thread you weren't useless today.

>> No.20567992

>>20567950
Using j-e alongside j-j is better unless you care about monolingual transition meme.

>> No.20567995

>>20567992
yea thats what I did, I got the 和英 backup on scroll

>> No.20568024

how do you say "my name is Nilso and I'm gay!" in japanese?

>> No.20568025

>>20567880
You can't, you can boost the rate at which you learn words by flashcarding though.
Most people have reasons for learning the language and flashcards help you to get to your goal faster.
The one person with the 100k word deck that hasn't read anything else in japanese isn't gonna stop doing that because of shitposts on jp.

>> No.20568039

>>20567522
正 is what japanese people use to tally to 5. So each one on her is like a score of 5 guys that hit it. Like how people tally dominoes.

>> No.20568189

>>20565096
no i learned a lot of vocab and readings from it by ignoring the definitions which have to be learned in context. once you know all the common words you cant say as easily if a card will be useful so its easier to just use reading as srs.

>> No.20568207

>>20568189
If you don't even know what the word means you haven't learned it.

>> No.20568208

>>20567950
id recommend just using 三省堂 スーパー大辞林

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You don't know a word till you recognize its shape at a glance in kanji or kana, till you hear it instantly in convo, you can say it on a whim, etc. Seeing a word a few times doesn't mean you know it, even having it matured in anki is just the start.

>> No.20568275

Yo, which input method do you guys use for Japanese typing?
See here:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Input_Japanese_using_uim#Installation
A series of (IMEs) are available, many with various dictionaries - e.g. the 2ch dictionaries (how do people here rate them?), modified anthy vs normal anthy, Anthy Kaomoji, mozc, google CGI API (is this FOSS?)
Do you use a japanese keyboard or a US one?
Appreciate responses.

>> No.20568300

>>20568207
if the majority of your exposure to a word is flash cards you havent learned it
so whats the difference if that exposure includes the meaning or not

>> No.20568302

>>20568275
That article is retarded and i really should delete it.
Ibus + Mozc is a good combo that I've had no issues with.
Fcitx is ok but it's chinkware and has awkward keybinding issues on UK layout keyboards.
Anthy is dead and has not been updated for nearly 10 years now; use mozc.
I use a UK layout keyboard and it works fine.

>> No.20568306

>>20568300
did flashcards murder your parents or something?

>> No.20568343

>>20568306
was that a controversial statement
not even sayin anki cant help you
just sayin that was a shit argument against doin anki without definitions

>> No.20568356

>>20568275
>Do you use a japanese keyboard or a US one?
japanese keyboard layout offers two things
one is kana input but natives dont use it
the other is a few dedicated keys for conversion and mode switching but you can do all of those things with shortcuts anyway

>> No.20568361

>>20566288
i'll never know a feel like this

>> No.20568366

>>20568275
IBus+Anthy, the input itself works fine, the main problem is IBus' compatibility with various shit

>> No.20568377

anki is actually useful for building up starting vocabulary and remembering grammatical syntax don't pay attention to the morons who want you to bash your head facefirst into pages with no basic vocab

they're idiots and the fact they can't 日本語 makes them 憎らしい

>> No.20568383

>>20568254
That's not even addressing all of the ways in how a word can be used, expressions its in, the conjugations for it and any quarks it's usage has with grammar and other words, or recognizing the patterns it's used in general. RiP years of your life.

>> No.20568401

>>20568366
What compatability issues have you had?
I had a slight issue with qt stuff but adding
export QT_IM_MODULE=ibus fixed that.

>> No.20568402

>>20568343
The entire point of flashcards is to help you memorize what the words mean.
Granted sometimes the definitions in decks are inaccurate but it's a baseline which you can build on by exposure to the real language by reading or listening.
I don't see the point of just mashing through it and seeing oh right this word exists.

>> No.20568413

spaced repetition programs are becoming standard in language courses for a reason. just because you spent two years tryna read sentences that someone who's been doin flashcards for one is no reason 2 b bitter

>> No.20568441

>>20568401
Mostly about QT, yeah

>> No.20568472

>language courses

lol seems par for the *snorts* course

>> No.20568481

it took em 40 years to figure it out don't bully em

>> No.20568499

>>20568402
>The entire point of flashcards is to help you memorize what the words mean.
the point to me was to stop being slowed down by words i couldnt read when i couldnt use yomichan
i had to check words in my deck sometimes either way but its way faster to check a dictionary when you remember the reading so that was my priority
not sayin if its a better idea to do readings only but its not necessarily a bad one

>> No.20568511

>>20568413
Almost no polyglots use srs except a few, most do use flash cards and vocab lists though, just not srs, and the ones that srs do it with pictures and context. Straight srs with just vocab is polar opposite to language sub concsious aquisition, what krashen teaches.

>> No.20568520

Should I play Atelier Totori or watch anime?

>> No.20568526

flash cards and vocab lists are literally anki decks but physical lmao

>> No.20568534

音がする

>> No.20568554

>>20568526
No shit. But you write them out yourself, you look things up as a process, there is the physchological effect of having created something in your reality, etc. It's more time you spend with the words, instead of clicking a button. That stuff has an effect over years of studying a language. Going through a dead program with just english definitions will be about 40% as effective. Krashen's done research on it. Anki is ok if you add personal touches. Like I said there is a srs polyglot I read about but he adds his own pictures etc. that's the method I'm using.

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>polyglot memes

>> No.20568593

>>20568554
You're ignoring the only relevant part about anki, the spaced repetition.

You'll never make it.

>> No.20568602

the biggest factor in if youll make it is compelling content
whatever other mistakes you make in life are your own business

>> No.20568608

polyglots have good advice and all but the catch is that they achieve a bare minimum fluency level and use that to inflate their stats. disregard them if they learn malay because they're peacocking

>> No.20568613

>tfw to smart to be a polyglot
>tfw multiglot

>> No.20568635

>>20568593
>imagine thinking there's a special ammount of time you need to wait till you see a word again
The only thing anki does good is save a list of words for you. Seeing a word earlier isn't going to hurt you just make it easier on you. It al comes down to spending time with the words period. Also I said I use anki, just not like an autist.

>> No.20568642

>>20568635
oh nonononono LMAO

>> No.20568647

>>20568608
True, I wouldn't want to do it but theres polyglots that can read/write/listen/speak a dozen languages, might want to hear what they have to say. I've found tips that helped me.

>> No.20568678

>>20568635
>Seeing a word earlier isn't going to hurt you
time spent is an obvious factor which takes time away from something else whether its more flash cards or actually fuckin readin
aside from that there are claims that reviewing a card too often gives worse results
id imagine if there is any truth to that its stress related but im not tryin to argue it just say its out there

>> No.20568693

>>20568647
also keep in mind that at that point, they're usually language professors and doing it for a living, hence why they can dedicate so much time to learning languages. the average person can be multilingual but if you actually have other interests outside of hobbies, you can feasibly only maintain 2 or 3 languages without losing active knowledge unless you can dedicate every waking hour you have to being a walking dictionary and that ain't fun

the most useful thing a polyglot can teach you is to get a feel for learning a language through mixed passive / active immersion

>> No.20568703

>>20568693
>only maintain 2 or 3 languages
Damn. I was planning to maintain 4
Am I royally fucked?

>> No.20568704

the only thing a polygloat can do is make an intro vid to japanese and teach u corean instead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c5Xy3GZCac#t=535

>> No.20568710

>>20568703
desu you can get away with maintaining 4 - 5 depending on how closely related the languages are

>> No.20568717

>>20568710
>closely related
>English, Japanese, German, Persian
Yeah I'm fucked

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>That 外人 that uses 俺

>> No.20568736

>>20568717
in your defense, german and english are not that far removed from each other, even with the gender / verb placements

>>20568726
僕人 ww@??????

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this place is getting overrun with mattfags, it only took him 8 years and a mental collapse to make it

>> No.20568754

>>20565196
surely there's some benefit to watching english dubbed anime

>> No.20568762

>>20568736
僕女

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>> No.20568779

>>20568754
english dubbed anime literally only exists to placate insecure monolingual english speakers who think there's somehow no commonalities in conversations across languages

>> No.20568786

>>20568779
I could take your comment as fact, or believe there's a deeper hidden meaning behind dubbed anime

i will choose the later

surely there's a non-brainlet here that can decipher it

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>it's a "jApAnEsE hAs No EngLisH pArAlLeLs" episode

>> No.20568848

>>20568726
What's the problem?

>> No.20568863

>>20568703
Instead of maintaining 4 pointless ones (i.e. any European language other than English), maintain 2 or 3 quality ones.

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>>20568742
blame yourself. you guys never make compelling arguments against him. it always comes off as petty nitpicking of someone who is better than you. you NEVER demonstrate your skill so this is the only conclusion 3rd party observers can come to. i warned you in early 2018 but you didn't listen and so here we are. based fucking matt.

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>>20568863
My useless European language has way more parallels with Japanese than English does.

>> No.20568882

>>20568863
But I want to move to europe
Should I shoot for glorious land of nippon instead? I don't think they'll accept me though

>> No.20568885

>>20568868
i only wanted to shit on him thoroughly if he kept growing but hes already plateaued so i couldnt care less

>> No.20568887

>>20568863
Brainlet comment

you do realise that european languages are spoken outside of europe?

That only leaves you with asian languages, and the only one that actually matters is chinese and maybe korean

>> No.20568890

>>20568887
On the internet the only languages that matter are in order: English, Russian, Japanese, German, Spanish, French.

>> No.20568894

i wish that was the case truly i do

>> No.20568896

>>20568882
Do what makes you happy. But English is the only relevant European language and practically the only important language in the world. All other languages are for vanity purposes. Japanese is the most worthwhile East Asian language because Japan actually produces some worthwhile media. Your third language needs to strike a balance between utility and the degree to which it's exotic. I would recommend something spoken frequently among immigrants that live in your area, but YMMV since immigrants are largely disgusting and have shitty cultures.

>> No.20568897

>>20568890
Uhh, how is french, german and spanish more important than Chinese?

>> No.20568898

>>20568890
English, Spanish, Russian and Chinese

congratulations, you can now speak with 80% of the world population, rest will adapt to either one in time

>> No.20568900

>>20568897
Because chinks have walled themselves in and the only way you can even interact with them is goldfarmers on MMOs who use VPNs.

>> No.20568904

>>20568882
Where do you even want to move in Europe, it's the most diverse continent in the world.
And by diverse I don't mean american diverse but true different cultures shit.

>> No.20568914

>>20568898
There are too many people to ever speak with period so you shouldn't learn another language unless something intrinsically appeals to you about language learning. If you decide to learn another language, try to make it a language where the average speaker is of higher quality. So that means no Spanish, Russian, or Chinese because they're mostly trash. You'd be better off learning Japanese. Plenty of trash there too but they have higher quality people both proportionally and in absolute terms.

>> No.20568923

>>20568897
because the chinese have largely segregated themselves, the only time i ever see them is in dota games

>> No.20568925

>>20568896
>>20568914
The only worthwhile asian language to learn is chinese, not japanese unless you want to buy fucking ero-doujins at some crappy market in osaka and want to discuss the price with the cashier

>> No.20568928

>>20568896
I already have english down at an acceptable level (ielts 8.0) so why are trying to sell me on english?
Immigrant languages in my country are turkish and arabic. No way I'm fucking with those

>>20568900
>internet is only video games

>>20568904
But I'm one of those different cultures shits that are fucking europe right now.

>> No.20568935

>>20568925
besides, japanese is basically broken-chinese with a dumb dialect, might aswell just go all the way and learn the real language, no?

atleast koreans had the gut to distance themselves from china, culture and language wise

>> No.20568936
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>>20568898
>Russian
>not Arabic

>> No.20568942

>>20568936
>arabic
i wouldn't call that a language, just a series of animal grunts and hisses

feel free to study your monkey speech if you want to though

>> No.20568947

>>20568928
>fucking Europe
That's just Americans blowing things out of proportion so they can feel good about themselves on their sheltered island.
Europe has been fucked so many times by real shit that a few middle easterners moving in is not a big deal.

>> No.20568960

>>20568947
You say that but I lived my life in middle east, I know what they are capable of.
It won't happen in our life time, but it'll spread like cancer all over europe in 3 4 generations

>> No.20568963

>>20568947
>few middle easterners

you do realise that in some countries, those few middle easterners makes up has made it into the double digit percentages, population wise

you are either larping or you live isolated and hasn't experienced it

>> No.20568980

ah yes the good old lets talk about a bunch of other languages thing u guys occasionally do to distract urself from just learning nihongo and enjoying epic visual games like dies irae lol

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>>20565836
Anyone have a tutorial on how to endure Cure Dolly's voice? What the fuck is even wrong with this persons voice? Sounds like not only is this person using a vocoder but also has an insane speech impediment. It sounds like the brother of my best friend back in elementary school who was born without a roof of the mouth. WHO is Cure Dolly?

>> No.20569005
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solid image so ill answer

dolly chan sensei is my wife

>> No.20569012

>>20568925
Chinese has no good native media and is therefore pointless to learn.

>> No.20569029

>>20569012
no one cares how bad u r at media

>> No.20569032

>>20569012
Then learn arabic, they got plenty of media you can learn, if thats the whole selling point you care for

>> No.20569036

I'm going to graduate from denmark's version of 高学校 next year (in denmark most 高1's even are 18). I'll probably graduate with very average if not slightly over grades. By that time I'm pretty sure I'll have N1 as well (very confident I could pass right now even). Would a job in Japan as a translator be a viable path even without university? I dont want to be a jet

>> No.20569041

なんとなく、その鐘を見上げながら俺は学園内へと足を踏み入れた。
>For some reason I looked up at the bell while I stepped into the school building.
Please let me know if I understand this basic sentence that I should understand but am uncertain about. I am uncertain because the wording seems superfluous but I guess this is a story so that's to be expected.

>> No.20569045

>>20569032
Chinese media is better than Arabic media but they're both garbage. The English world and Japan produce the best media in the world so those are the only two languages that matter.

>> No.20569051

>>20569036
unless u have more distinguished creds or want to work bottom of the barrel labor theres not much u can do atm bruv

>> No.20569056

>>20569041
nantonaku means nothing most of the time. its just a buffer word. otherwise your translation is good.

>> No.20569060

>>20569036
underage, leave now

also every translator job is a nip that knows english, not a filthy gaijin that knows anime-level japanese, you will never get any real translator job unless you want to translate bad ero-doujins for free

>> No.20569066

>>20569056
another Dunning-Kruger retard.

>> No.20569067

the real cake is finding a real hentai ass dudes thatll pay for tls of said bad eros

>> No.20569069

おはようおにいちゃん

おにいちゃんは

どうしておにいちゃん

げんき?

>> No.20569077

>>20569060
What if he translates to/from Danish?

>> No.20569079

How do I say "I wish I didn't lose all my friends so I wouldn't be alone playing videogames at this time of year" in japanese?

>> No.20569084
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>>20569069

>> No.20569096

>>20569079
whatd u do to lose ur friends

anyway make some new japanese ones dude and improve ur nihongo ryoku lol

>> No.20569097

>>20569066
imagine trusting jisho.org this hard

>> No.20569103

what the fuck is a buffer word like i think i get what ur trying to say but its useful to no one

>> No.20569105

信じればいいんだよ。
What the fuck is れば?
This is not listed verb in conjugations.
Why the fuck is shit like たい form not listed as a verb conjugation either when it's clearly a goddamn verb suffix?

>> No.20569113

oh god u are just fucked man

>> No.20569117

>>20569105
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/conditionals#General_conditionals_using

>> No.20569131

>>20569103
its a really context based word that you put to make sentences strung together sound less jarring. like yappari and tonikaku its a word no dictonary or single person can teach you. you just have to encounter it in the wild a few hundred times and youll figure it out

>> No.20569143

toriaezu lets list every buffer word so i can put them in my buffer word deck lol

>> No.20569155

>>20569131
your IQ might just be below jamal's.

>> No.20569162

>>20569155
you havent immersed. youve simply grinded anki huh

>> No.20569164

>>20569096
i had a company of "nerd friends" in school but they eventually socialized and found their place in life and I was so ashamed of me still being a fucking clueless child so I started to ignore them because I didnt feel confident

I know that sounds retarded but thats what I did
Now I realise it's all bullshit but they forgot me already

>> No.20569168

imagine trying to fix anki instead of kudu making your own srs program

>> No.20569169

idk if i can be tomodachis with a guy that says immerse tho

>> No.20569187

>>20569164
dang bro

well ill give u an epic gomer tip

the more ppl u have around u the more of their bullshit u get caught up in

if ur the type to take care of ur own shit and never ask anyone for shit ur prolly better off

>> No.20569210

Does rewatching subbed dragonball count as spaced repetition?

>> No.20569212

depends whos ur fave dbz chara

>> No.20569234

>>20569210
>subbed
doesn't work

>> No.20569256

subs are ftw but i realized subs are just as retarded as flashcards if u dont understand what u should be doing with them

>> No.20569354

The guide recommends "Core 2k/6k Optimized" but I can see a "Further Optimized" version in the cornucopia. What's the best one?

>> No.20569364

put off learning japanese until february to see if your heart is truly in it instead of making a wishy washy new year's resolution

>> No.20569406

most ppl who make resolution to work out quit the gym by may

and they prolly werent even going just paying for it lmao

>> No.20569419

>>20569406
By may you could have a skill in japanese that's enough to read the occasional japanese text you come across or at least with the help of jisho.

>> No.20569423

u can do a lot of things between now and may

literally so much

will u do something this year? prolly not

>> No.20569442

>>20569354
"further optimized" means it's actually worse

also the guide was written by people who didn't know japanese

just use vncore and start mining

>> No.20569466

>>20569423
i will play visual novels

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>>20569212
Not that guy but pic and also cell

>> No.20569489

it's so much fucking easier for me to read this shitty ass VN now than a few months ago to the point i wanna exclaim to all newcomers that even if your vocab is complete ass like mine still is, you will still see improvement in your comprehension because of your improved ability to make out the grammar to the point reading becomes much easier but you just gotta stick to it.

>> No.20569494

いっつ



さっど

>> No.20569496

>>20569489
for what purpose?
why the fuck am i even learning this fucking language
i fell for the memes and now im stuck here with you

>> No.20569530

When I see unknown grammar I put it in a notepad and when I feel like it I look it up in the grammar guides. How do you Study grammar? Just curious

>> No.20569542

>>20569530
i fuck japanese girls and they explain grammar to me when we wake up in the bed

>> No.20569551

>>20569542
れうど!れうど!

>> No.20569554

i dont fuck just talk to japanese girls instead

>> No.20569566

Can someone explain to me why are japanese girls so weird in kissing? They use tongue much more and they prefer tongues more than actually using lips, why so?

>> No.20569594

no one ever taught them how to kiss

till i arrived

>> No.20569598

>>20569594
Tell me your name.

>> No.20569614

>>20569598
matt

>> No.20569624

>>20569566
if you don't think that's the hottest shit you can get out of my face.

>> No.20569634

>>20569624
I think that's the hottest shit and I'm sad western girls arent doing that

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>3dpd

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Reading this shit, when will this dude's luck run out? Literally everything he does is just guessing and it working out. I know it doesn't take that much money to go all カタンの展開者たち on a random 異世界 but you can only get this lucky so many times before bad shit happens/you run out of 現金

>> No.20569729

>>20569719
*開拓者

>> No.20569737

How do you say "I'd love to touch japanese woman's tongue with my tongue" in japanese?

>> No.20569770

>>20569719
what do you expect isekai is bottom of the barrel otaku escapism bait

>> No.20569776

大人のキスなんか気持ちいい

>> No.20569838

Is tongue kissing a jap girl a certain path to fluency?

>> No.20569861

Are there any racist Japanese youtubers or bloggers? I follow a large variety of (some even academic) western racists but I'm wondering if there are the equivalent in Japan, or if they're too conformist to be public about that kind of stuff.

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>> No.20569899

>>20569861
Indeed rednecks are not very popular in Japan due to the high degree of education

>> No.20569913

>>20569899
I've heard the Japanese can be pretty xenophobic so that's not true. But I'm more referring to people who explicitly accept inherent differences between races.

>> No.20569930

"just read something you want to read"
>open ばくおん!! sample
>wall of kanji
>don't have OCR setup
Alright that might have been a bit ambitious, to よつばと it is then. I can always come back to it some other time after I have setup kanjitomo.

>> No.20569932

>>20569913
Accepting differences between races, wouldn't that be non-racist rather? I'm confused

>> No.20569939

>>20569932
Yea but it's fun to refer to factual beliefs with smears.

>> No.20569941

>>20569899
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoTBRpcaZS0
explain this libtards.

>> No.20569945

>>20569913
Well everybody does that but it's polite not to point that out and you kinda look like an ass if you focus on stuff people have no control over.

>> No.20569964

>>20569941
I will always turn a blind eye to Japanese on Chinese/Korean discrimination the same way people turn a blind eye on Chinese/Korean on Japanese discrimination.

>> No.20569966

>>20569945
That's true. And I suppose it's not as relevant an issue to discuss in Japan.

>> No.20569993

>>20569966
If you want brutally honest people you should look at the chinese, they'll say their opinion about anything no matter how uninformed it is.

>> No.20570014

>>20569966
That and racialist theories never really flied in Japan. There was a brief point where they thought of themselves as a Yamato race that is superior to all others but that didn't survive in the post-war period.

>> No.20570058

>>20568402
The entire purpose of flash cards to learn the readings. You end up learning most the meanings anyways but your brain only truly learns a word if you see it in context and take some meaning from it. Otherwise you could just read the dictionary to increase vocab. I'm not even against Anki I gridned it a lot but it definitely is less useful the faster you can read.

>> No.20570068

they thought they were superior to all others till the realized literally every other race has bigger dicks than them lmao

>> No.20570087

>>20570058
But you can read the dictionary to increase your vocab.
It's not efficient at all and thus not recommended.
>less useful the faster you can read.
true

>> No.20570094

>>20570068
Nah europeans are smaller

>> No.20570105

>>20570068
kinda funny they could possibly think of themselves as special when they lag the west in pretty much anything important. except anime

>> No.20570130

>>20570105
Japan is significantly ahead of all western countries in terms of economy except the USA.

>> No.20570136

>>20570130
>in terms of economy
well no. in gdp per capita (what actually matters as it reflects the properties of the individuals rather than sheer population size) they lag behind most of western europe.

>> No.20570152

>>20570136
They've also got more nobel prizes than all European countries except for Germany, France, Sweden and Britain.

>> No.20570169

>>20570152
in nobel prizes per capita they lag behind most (all?) of western europe. ditto for most measures of intellectual achievement. in cognitive tests they score higher though so they got that going for themselves.

>> No.20570173

is there a way to change the order dictionarys show up in yomichan. I want daijirin first but jmdict always is first.

>> No.20570180

>>20570173
time to use two hover dictionaries at once my man. it's the ultimate dekinai way.

>> No.20570193

>>20570169
Japan is still more significant than all of those countries. That's like saying China doesn't matter because most of its power stems from its massive size.

>> No.20570218

>>20570193
china matters but their people are kinda shit is all i'm saying, which is why you need 1.2 billion of them to be a threat. kinda like how japan needs to have a population factors larger than western european countries to match them in some measures of scientific accomplishment.

>> No.20570225

>>20570218
Awesome cope but pointless post

>> No.20570236

>>20570225
but the entire point was whether or not they're special, and not in terms of population size.

>> No.20570249

>>20570236
The point was whether they are lagging behind or not. They have the bigger population, the bigger territory, the bigger scientific achievements, the bigger technology, the bigger economy. You have yet to explain why exactly they lag behing besides "but their country big!!!!", and what you are doing now is coping.

>> No.20570254

Unfriendly reminder that all chinks are dogs.

>> No.20570270

>>20570249
>The point was whether they are lagging behind or not
>>20570105
>kinda funny they could possibly think of themselves as special
and in two of the follow up posts i made it pretty clear i was referring to the qualities of people and not "overall significance" because their population is much larger. so now you have your clarification. there's no denying japan is more "important" than switzerland but it's not the point i was making. you have your clarification.

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20570287

Let's get this thread back on track.

>> No.20570292

>>20570270
Sly backpedaling but if you are willing to admit Japan is more significant than most western countries that's already a win.

>> No.20570307

>>20570292
yes i am willing to "admit" an innocuous fact that is irrelevant to the point i was making. similarly as an american i can point out that america dominates the world in all of these metrics in absolute numbers, albeit america lags behind western europe in many of these per capita metrics because americans are lower quality.

>> No.20570314

ここは生きているDJTのスレなの?

>> No.20570317

read that post to instantly

>> No.20570329

>>20570314
does the djt thread exist here? fuck i can't read...

>> No.20570332

You are all still mutts so it's pointless. Read before its gets deleted by towelhead jamal!

>> No.20570371

オレはゴンフリークス

>> No.20570398

imagine if curedolly used a voiceroid instead of a voice changer

>> No.20570412

I've considered ripping one of her/his videos and overlaying a track of myself reading her/his script. I'll be reclined in my chair with my stomach hanging out and drool running down my cheek onto my chest while reading it.

>> No.20570415

>>20569776
フェラはもっと気持ちいいぞ~ 突っ込みより

>> No.20570464

>>20570329
>is this (where) the DJT that's alive?

>> No.20570562

真っ二つ&真っ裸 are two of the stupidest words in this whole language

>> No.20570584

>>20570562
>真っ赤
>真っ白
>真っ黒

扱え

>> No.20570594

imagine if わたしはゲイ

>> No.20570600

>>20570584
i dont mind those at all, but theres just something weird about the p's in those words

>> No.20570602

>>20570600
There's nothing weird

>> No.20570606

>>20570602
yea its not irregular or anything but futatu is just weird as putatu

>> No.20570611

>>20570600
>something weird about the p's
just your typical はひふへほ geminate consonant

>> No.20570646

>>20570287
Honestly the hardest part is even knowing most of the words in a book or something, reading speed is slow as fuck. Practice makes better but sitting at a cool 170~ 字/min is miserable. Currently at a weird intersection where listening has suddenly become a shit ass ton easier than reading, where just a few months ago it was the exact opposite, where listening was hard as balls.

The weird part is that I didn't do that much listening, but a lot of reading.

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>>20570646
just checked my reading speed and apparently we are pretty similar. ive noticed the same thing as you with the listening

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What is this text supposed to mean? I can work out that なあんも is just a variant of 'nothing/anything', and やる気 is eagerness, but I don't know if せんと is supposed to be a name or another term (saint?). And even if that is the right interpretation I'm not entirely sure what it's supposed to mean

>> No.20570765

lol unmarry the と and look at it without it and then put the と back my ninja

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>>20570765
Ah, this one right? I should have seen this sooner, it's small dick jokes. Thank you

>> No.20570797

u should just be able to google it without the と at this point and stop fucking up so bad

>> No.20570919

>Waiting to read until you get good at Japanese is like saying you won't get into the pool until you learn how to swim.
-matt
Is he right about this?

>> No.20570925

>>20566862
>reading about kanji, particles, and context during conversation
>loading up apps like Jisho, Duolingo, and Anki (though I'm lost on how to use it)
>wanting to try CureDolly but not sure
I still feel very optimistic about it. We'll all get it.

>> No.20570940

>>20570919
He's missing the nuance as usual.

>> No.20570987

>>20570940
how do you know he is

>> No.20570997

>>20570987
Because you just quoted him

>> No.20571157

>>20570997
well yea it's a single quote there's more context in the actual video

>> No.20571175

>>20571157
Well if understand your post requires watching a video why did you even post it?
You just asked my opinion on that single sentence.

>> No.20571182

>>20571175
wtf i asked if that quote was right i didn't ask you to assume anything about the context which you'd have to know to make statements about nuance you dishonest slime...

>> No.20571218

>>20571182
Do you even have a functioning brain?
Do you know how questions work?

>> No.20571242

>>20570719
なにもやる気 + https://kansai-ben.com/2017/09/05/%E9%96%A2%E8%A5%BF%E5%BC%81%EF%BD%9E%E3%81%9B%E3%82%93%E3%81%A8%E3%81%AE%E6%84%8F%E5%91%B3/

>> No.20571253

>start listening to the rap videos jamal keeps linking as a joke
>it becomes completely unironic enjoyment
its taken root and im too far gone, get out while you can newyearsfriends

>> No.20571279

ストアが

DORA2すすめてくる

ゲームへたくそでもできる?

>> No.20571287

>>20571253
weird since rap in general sounds like complete ass and especially the fucking garbage he always links.

>> No.20571305

>>20571287
i think you probably just need to find something that speaks to you

>> No.20571313

>>20571253
now thats what i like to hear

here u go bro ride on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lrkRTMDNSQ#t=19

>> No.20571315

>>20571305
won't happen. there's a reason it's a genre that's most popular among pavement apes.

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>>20571253
I hope you know what that means

>> No.20571327

えいごできなくてもできるゲームがすくない

>> No.20571334

>>20571315
u know what genre is popular among u? >>20571321

>> No.20571356

>>20571313
this is cool and i wish more rap would have cool music attached to it too

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20571378

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-LF-iLS_ys
You may think you're a dekinai...
but at least you're not this.

>> No.20571411

>>20571378
No way this is real

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>>20569069
>>20569084

>> No.20571986

When and how do you guys study? Do you do it by schedule, or just whenever?

>> No.20572011

>>20571986
いまでもstudyのいみが

いまいちわかんない

learnとのちがいがとくに

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20572028

>tfw you can't fucking understand pokemon games without reading them out loud
>can read pages of kanji with little - no difficulty
The fuck kind of hell am I in?

>> No.20572046

Fill in the blank
〇きない

>> No.20572049

>>20571986
every day i read some vn or ln until i feel like stoppin
if i dont feel like startin for the day i find somethin new to read

>> No.20572059

>>20571986
やめたほうがいいと言われたからもうやめた

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>>20572059
>やめた

>> No.20572091

yamete ijimeruna

>> No.20572154

>>20572079
あきらめたほうがいい、とくめいくん

>> No.20572186

>>20572046

>> No.20572232

>>20572046
きたない

>> No.20572250

>>20570718
what is this

>> No.20572259

>>20572046
飽きない

>> No.20572273

>>20572046
転んでもただは起きない

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20572274

これつくる

おにいちゃんもたべよ

>> No.20572278

>>20570919
>Guys, reading early on is harmful to all aspects of accent, not just pitch accent.
-matt

>> No.20572282

>>20572274
麻婆豆腐?美味しそう~

>> No.20572303

>>20572282
おかねもちは

たべないとおもうよ

>> No.20572339

>>20572303
えっ?そんあことあるか!

>> No.20572342

I'm not sure what to think or feel right now. I just finished reading my first JP book a while ago. I spent a lot of time on vocabulary mining and consolidation, and still have to add many more words after this post, but I did it.

I used to buy a bunch of JP media at a local store for years and not even read or play them, saying "this looks cool, I'll read it someday. I liked that artist, this game seems really unique." I would steal peeks at the shelves in my room, all jam-packed and lined up with these things every day, and then try to ignore that they existed. Sometimes, I'd flip a book open or boot a game up, only to drop it soon after. Eventually, I couldn't even bear to look at Japanese. I was too afraid of another failure, and of being overwhelmed by the shame and feeling of regret to ever really try.

Yet, I made the conscious decision to make a serious, prolonged effort over the course of many days to complete this book. More than any kind of elation or disbelief, what I think I feel is a long sought relief of my great shame. To some people, maybe doing this doesn't seem like such a big deal. Yet, this is a day I have been waiting on for a long time. I wanted to write about this experience so I wouldn't ignore how I feel now. I only hope that we can all feel so relieved someday.

>> No.20572352

>>20572342
good job im proud of you :)

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>>20572339
おかねもちがたべるのは

こっち

>> No.20572367

>私は学⽣
>私が学⽣
I just still don't really understand the difference.

>> No.20572368

Someone didn't watch cure dolly's video.

>> No.20572372

>>20572368
Okay but what's up with her/his/its voice?

>> No.20572388

>>20572368
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiaVr9h8Uvw

>> No.20572396

MODS MODS MODS

>> No.20572415

2 videos only? What a 幻滅!

>> No.20572418

>>20572367
私は学生です
今は私が学生です

>> No.20572422

>>20572418
Someone fell for the never use は more than once meme

>> No.20572425

>>20572422
Someone doesn't understand the fundamental grammar that if there is no topic it's implied.

>> No.20572433

>>20572425
What does that have to do with my post?

>> No.20572438

>>20572433
When you use が by itself there is an implied topic that's something else which is what I was trying to point out with >>20572418

>> No.20572447

>>20572438
But が changes the meaning of the sentence. So you shouldn't use it in that context.

>> No.20572456

>>20572447
Yes it does, and I just pointed out how.
If you use は the topic is whatever is before it, if you use が the topic is something else.
The original poster asked what's the difference of using は and が in an identical sentence.

>> No.20572468

>>20572456
They're not identical because the second sentence means something different from the first sentence because of the misplaced が. If you were trying to give an example of how が can be used in different contexts from は you gave the wrong example since it is just straight up ungrammatical

>> No.20572474

>>20572365
何じゃそれ?エビはどうやって焼けても美味しいと思うけど

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>>20572468
See >>20572367

>> No.20572477

>>20572468
you lack object permanence

>> No.20572479

>>20572475
No, I understand what you're saying. I'm just pointing out that the second example that you gave is not correct, は should be used instead in that case. You could have given a different example that showcases が better and that isn't ungrammatical and confusing.

>> No.20572485

>>20572479
You've spent 4 posts trying to say my example is bad but you could've solved this with 1 which had a better one.

>> No.20572487

>>20572479
you don't know japanese, the only thing wrong with 今は私が学生です is that 今私は学生です is more common and natural, it has nothing to do with は vs が

>> No.20572494

>>20572487
Being uncommon and unnatural makes it wrong. Also it does have a lot to do with は vs が, not only because the grammatical option is to use the former, but because the second sentence doesn't explain how が works correctly and therefore is confusing.

>> No.20572500

go on

>> No.20572502

>>20572494
it's not unnatural, it's less natural, it's perfectly valid in the situations where 私 is being used in such a way that must be marked with が instead of は

>> No.20572508

>>20572502
It's unnatural because of the context, using が in this situation could lead to misunderstanding (although most people would just realise its ungrammaticality before that) and is therefore incorrect.

>> No.20572511

>>20572367
・「は」はその後ろに一番言いたいことがある。
・「が」はその前に一番言いたいことがある。

>> No.20572513

>>20572508
there is no context, it's an isolated sentence that anon explicitly stated to have a different topic from the one where it's marked by は and you can't assume that it would be said in the same situation to mean the same thing

>> No.20572514

>>20572511
epic production fail

>> No.20572518

>>20572513
I guess that's right if you want to be pedantic about it. But we all know what context he had in mind when he wrote that.

>> No.20572521

>>20572518
he didn't have any context in mind when he wrote that

>> No.20572525

>>20572521
You don't know that.

>> No.20572528

>>20572514
Be productive and correct it then.

>> No.20572530

>>20572511
そんなバナナ

>> No.20572531

>>20572518
>we all know
>You don't know
this is enjoyable

>> No.20572535

>>20572528
・「は」はその後ろに位置する言葉を主張したい時に使われます
・「が」はその前に位置する言葉を主張したい時に使われます

ps: the above text does not represent my views on grammar

>> No.20572536

>>20572525
i know it no less than you

>> No.20572540

>>20572535
this is very logically unrelated to what the original poster was trying to say

>> No.20572541

>>20572535
whoops I didn't realize that 前 is actually wrong whatever

>> No.20572544

>>20572540
how

>> No.20572559

>>20572535
It seems to me you just bloated the explanation with words to make it look more textbook-ready. The one I posted is more concise. Please note that I got mine from https://www.sinlog.asia/entry/2017/12/03/184837..

>> No.20572566

>>20572559
makes sense that you got it from a non-native

>> No.20572567

some sick plays goin on wheres the ref

>> No.20572568

>>20572531
>>20572528
>>20572525
>>20572521
>>20572518
>>20572514
>>20572513
>>20572511
>>20572508
>>20572502
>>20572494
>>20572487
>>20572485
>>20572479
>>20572477
>>20572475
>>20572468
>>20572456
>>20572447
>>20572438
>>20572433
>>20572425
>>20572422
>>20572418
>>20572368

いい餌だったか?

>> No.20572571

餌なんてありません。劇場です。

>> No.20572573

>>20572568
Yes, you absolutely managed to look like a beginner who actually wanted people to help him.
Good job man, won't make the mistake of helping people here again.

>> No.20572575

間違いなんかじゃない…
間違いなんかじゃないってばあああぁあぁ!!!

>> No.20572579

>>20572566
Can you please elaborate on why the original text is false?

>> No.20572585

>>20572579
not him but it's an oversimplification that only describes a particular way in which they differ and does it poorly
if you want real advice: don't think, feel. no, really.

>> No.20572594

>>20572579
Well first off 後ろ is wrong in that context since it tends to refer to anatomy not position, so it should be replaced by 前, which itself should be replaced then by 先 which is the correct word to use here
Also the phrase is overly simplified which makes it sound weird and awkward, especially the ことがある part. I mean I know japanese is high context but you can tell when someone is trying to hide their lack of skill

>> No.20572595

2chで餌って使われているの?

>> No.20572603

>>20572595
あっちは釣りっていうんだ

>> No.20572611

>>20572603
釣りってtrollingじゃん
baitってシックな感じがするし、baitから餌だ

>> No.20572618

>>20572585
>>20572594
many thanks

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when i watch dramas i'll often hear nakara instead of dakara and noushite instead of doushite. why is that?

>> No.20572629

>>20572611
よくわからないけど、いっしょじゃない?

>> No.20572638

>>20572619
It's due to the insertion of ん before the consonant D. So it ends up sounding like んどうして and んだから. This is pretty much limited to TV though.

>> No.20572662

わたしがゲイ

>> No.20572668

>>20572638
んはむずかしいんだよ

>> No.20572701

>>20572638
unnnnnnn dah

>> No.20572814

How long did it take you guys to learn the kana?

>> No.20572836

>>20566854
He also says 6 months is bloody impossible and laughable

>> No.20572868

>http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats
Does someone know how many kb an average 300 page book/LN is in comparison? I'm curious how many "pages" of a book I've read if I went through for example 50kb of a VN.

>> No.20572928

is "just read more lol" a meme?
> read thing
> don't understand thing
> wrack my head around it for over an hour
> can't find references online
> /djt/ isn't helpful at all
> can't solve this layton puzzle
what's the fucking point?

>> No.20572933

>>20572928
When you have a problem just autistically post it every hour or two in the hopes that an N1 chad like me sees it. We can't be here all the time, we're too busy enjoying native content.

>> No.20572937

>>20572868
100k~150k characters
basically just think "a very short VN" and also "some of these VNs would require 20 volumes to adapt to book format"

>> No.20572942

>>20572933
alright, help? >>20566959 >>20567045

>> No.20572953

>>20572942
Stop reading porn comics

>> No.20572961

>>20572953
porn is the only reason why I'm learning this shitty language in the first place

>> No.20572973

>>20572942
it's はずじゃない with the ない cut off and a stray あ, the stray あ is probably just some speech quirk, character collection games love those

"n-... no way... this shouldn't [be how it is]... why..."

up to なんでだよ

>> No.20572974

>>20572942
Just for you, not only will I tell you the answer, I'll tell you how I fucking found it.

The mystery word here is obviously 銀行レース. Googling that will show you about 5 billion results, half of which are children asking this question on Yahoo answers.

From here, you should really be able to solve it. If that's too much effort, it's just a sure-fire outcome. The race was supposed to be easy money, presumably, so the character in question is shocked due to what I can only assume is an unexpected failure and a loss of their bet. ガチガチ is just stating that it was super stable (the outcome).

>> No.20572979

なんでよ*

>> No.20572994

anyways I'm just making sure you didn't get confused by the other person BSing you due to lack of "context" until you posted the relevant panels (you don't need context to know that こんなはずじゃ is almost always the negative sense and explain such)

if you're wondering what a specific compound word means then in general 1) google it on japanese google 2) if you don't understand any of the first couple explanations you find just guess and move on because your japanese isn't good enough for it to matter yet

>> No.20572997

>>20572974
is there a double negative in that sentence? 噂じゃあ and はず

>> No.20572999

>>20572994
>just guess and move
that's what I've been doing for the past two years and I'm fucking sick of guesslating, when does it stop?

>> No.20573006

when you decide to

>> No.20573009

>>20572937
>100k~150k characters
So in jsis like 200-300kb, right? 50 pages a day doesn't seem so bad, I guess. But you're right, in a VN it feels like 50 pages is nothing progress wise. Even reading 100 a day some things need a whole month.

>> No.20573010

>>20572999
after a couple weeks
>guesslating
I hope you mean for yourself

>> No.20573017

>>20572999
When you learn nip.

Here, if you're seriously having trouble with it I'll pump out a shitty translation just for you.

"According to (the) rumor (I heard earlier), this should have been a super duper surefire winner (but instead...)"

Honestly, if you couldn't get this far from just context you're probably beyond saving.

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how can fukking katakane after 5 years of studying japanese still make me stutter?

what is the final solution to the katakana question? or iam just too stupid?

>> No.20573026

>>20573022
Read more.

>> No.20573029

gonna rock u like a katakane

>> No.20573036

>>20573022
>katakane
FUCK there is a fourth writing system I need to learn??

>> No.20573040

just wait til you get to katanagana

>> No.20573045

>>20573036
it's not katakane. it's fukking katakane

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>>20573010
>I hope you mean for yourself
haha, yeah, of course I wouldn't charge some sorry random sob for shitty guesslations haha

>> No.20573056

imagine gatekeeping someone from jacking off and when you let them its to ur awful translations

>> No.20573062

manyouganabros rise up

>> No.20573065

>>20573036
>fourth
Buddy, when you're done with hentaigana you'll WISH there were only 4. And when you're done mastering 草字, the only thing left to embrace is death.

>>20573056
Let's face it, EOPs deserve every crappy guesslation they consume. Back in my first few months of learning Nip I put a few doujins through Google Translate and posted up some "translations", to this day I still cringe when I see people posting pages from them.

>> No.20573143

ねる

ねるまでおはなしして

>> No.20573206

>>20572928
You have to read stuff that's comprehensible.

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>>20572928
subs2srs and prepare the cards in a way you:

>read the nippongo first
>listen audio second
>create notes
>see the translation last and only as last resort

i dont believe in the read only novels meme that has infested this place. i believe in a balanced diet of subs2srs, novels, grammar drills and nhkeasy.

the only thing i woulndnt recommend is learning vocabulary without the context of sentences like simple mass anki.

>> No.20573245

you have to read stuff thats compelling even if parts of it are incomprehensible
which requires parts of it to be comprehensible

>> No.20573257

everything is compelling and comprehensible if it's porn

>> No.20573262

or alternatively just all of it be comprehensible ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Pge2nb979k

>> No.20573270

never said it cant all be comprehensible but challenge yourselves tomodatitatira

>> No.20573274

>>20573244
I really do feel bad for people who use fucking SRS for basic grammar shit they'll encounter 20 times a day. It's like you actually want to fail, because you think spending 50 fucking hours setting up screenshots and ripping audio will somehow help you remember words.

>> No.20573275

its not a challenge if its not comprehensible

its a waste of time

now if somethings unknown and new but because of existing familiarity u can guess what the new thing prolly is thats not only comprehensible but in fact challenging yourself the right way

>> No.20573280

>>20572046
大きない

>> No.20573281

>>20573257
bad porn is never compelling

>> No.20573284

>>20573280
>おおきくない

く がないと、ほうげんになる

>> No.20573286

VN Core vs Core2K.
Back when i studied a year ago i used Core2K but it seemed weirdly paced but now I've seen a few people recommending VN Core instead.

>> No.20573289

>>20571378
>I woke up being strangled by my headphones
is this a real thing or does it only happen to old people who are too delirious to fight off the cords?
i sleep every night with headphones to generate white noise and have done so for the past several years with no issues. if the cord starts to choke me why wouldn't i just wake up? bodies are stupid.

>> No.20573296

if it's bad then it's not porn

>> No.20573300

>>20572928
took like 3 months of reading and then going back to the beginning of a VN for me to feel like i had actually learned a thing or two (parsing and understanding some grammar) even though my vocab is still ass because i didn't use anki like i should have.

>> No.20573301

>>20573286
Shouldn't you be more concerned with not quitting like a bitch this time? Who gives a fuck about the particular order in which you learn the absolute basics of the language? It's like asking if you should learn kana in あいうえお or あかさたなはまやらわ order. It doesn't make a lick of fucking difference.

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>>20573274
subs2srs ripps audio, screenshots and sentences into cards.
the process of this is 5 minutes max.

one episode makes 200-300 cards. the beauty of this is you just hit DEL with every grammar, word you already know. whats left is distilled meat of things you dont know. all this with an animu that is your compelling content.
also the satisfaction of watching your favourite animu with jap subtitles understanding it all... then watching it without - understanding it all.

you can also rip the audio and listen to it while commuting. strengthening it even more.

imo until you are acceptable comfortable with novels subs2srs is far superior

>> No.20573304

>>20573286
vncore then start core2k at 1251 if you feel like you need it.

>> No.20573310

>>20573302
Or, you know, you could just watch the show as is. If you come across an unfamiliar word, just type it into your browser and turn it into a card.

This makes far more sense than deleting 195 cards per episode because anime isn't fucking difficult.

>> No.20573315

>>20573275
im sayin if youre exposin yourself to material that has lots of new shit you can comprehend youre probably gonna be runnin into some shit you cant comprehend as well
what you cant comprehend is useless i aint arguin that

>> No.20573329

https://massimmersionapproach.com/table-of-contents/stage-0/balanced-path-overview/

>>20573275
>>20573315
this debate was settled awhile ago boys

>> No.20573330

>>20573310
Or, you know, you could have the card pre-made for you with audio, an in-context sentence and an image. Plus, you'd just need to mark where in the episode the word you want to learn shows up so you can type it into the Anki browser. That way you'll find every instance of that word in the episode/series for even more sentences.

>> No.20573333

theres no debate when i post i dictate

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>>20573310

>> No.20573345

>>20573330
>Plus, you'd just need to mark where in the episode the word you want to learn shows up so you can type it into the Anki browser.
What? Dude, when a new word shows up I just type it into an open 4chan window and hover over it with yomichan to make a card for it.

Meanwhile you're stuck sorting through 300 variations of cards for baby words per episode of shit you watch, or writing them all down somewhere so you can select the particular card you want later.

And all for the sake of having some audio and a sentence. What do you do for words that have multiple meanings, create multiple sentence cards for each version? It just seems like such an immense waste of effort when you could just be reading more instead of doing this autistic shit that you think somehow improves the cards you should spend half a second at most looking at, unless you're actually fucking stupid enough to put the audio or sentence on the front.

>> No.20573346

>>20573302
Fucking autism.

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idk why i made this because i never use these. i just read vns and listen to audiobooks.

>> No.20573360

>>20573333
most of the time you even right

>> No.20573377

>>20573359
Wow how do you manage to only watch garbage

>> No.20573387

>>20573377
i haven't watched half of them in japanese so there's no reason for them to exist. but they are better than most shows so idk what you mean when you say they're garbage.

>> No.20573398

>>20573387
your taste fucking sucks

>> No.20573421

>>20573398
how do you figure? most shows suck but those are great.

>> No.20573426

>>20573421
no retard they fucking suck, and so does your taste

>> No.20573429

>>20573426
dude this is really mean and you haven't expanded on anything so wtf...

>> No.20573437

>>20573330
You do realize that after watching just one or two episodes, you've encountered about 80% of the words the show will throw at you, right? Not counting show-specific terminology like attack names and items. So all that time you're grinding cards from one episode could be used just immersing in the show instead.

>> No.20573441

>>20573429
expand your grey matter and get some fucking class cunt

>> No.20573476

>>20573345
>Hover over it with yomichan to make a card for it
So there's no audio? No sentence? Do you just learn words out of context without any regard for how they might be pronounced or used?

>Meanwhile you're stuck through sorting 300 variations of cards
You seem to think that it would take a long time to find a useful card amongst 300 (it's never that many) for a single, specific word. It doesn't.

>What do you do for words that have multiple meanings?
Use the magic of an in-context sentence to figure out which meaning is the relevant one and apply it. I don't care about the other meanings. If they show up somewhere else, great: I'll learn them. If they don't, whatever. Nobody stresses over whether I'm actually calling you a bundle of sticks when I say you're an enormous faggot. Context is truly magic.

>It just seems like such an immense waste of effort
Ah yes. Automating an entire bank of sentence cards for a show whose audio you might listen to multiple times, maybe picking up more stuff as you go, is a waste of time. I do this exactly because it's less of a waste of time than what you do, plus I get a sentence, image and audio.

>stupid enough to put the audio or sentence on the front
Dude, audio+sentence is dumb. However, if it's one or the other, then what the fuck are you on about? Having a short sentence on the front takes no extra time to process. Never tried pure audio (that would take longer) but it'd be great for pitch accent and writing practice (lmao)

>> No.20573487

all this arguin about flash cards is makin me hungry for some manga

>> No.20573489

Is yotsuba volume 1 really the hardest volume of the manga?
I'm having to look up a lot of stuff (especially when the adults are talking).

>> No.20573490

>>20573487
It's getting pretty late, I'd rather just drink some video games to be honest.

>> No.20573494

>>20573489
It's on par with all the other volumes. From memory I will say that there are some real oddball topics in the volume 1 chapters like fucking global warming but it's not super difficult.

>> No.20573498

>>20573490
id rather just get aids *tabs into djt*

>> No.20573511

>>20573437
Except you shouldn't be grinding the episode. You'd have the whole deck there and, while immersing in the show, just note down where certain sentences pop up with words you want to learn. You shouldn't be doing adding a ridiculous amount of new cards each day. 10-20 is fine. Post-hoc, add the new card to your deck, copy paste relevant meanings and go.

>> No.20573526

>>20573511
That sounds like a lot of work and very unnatural, I'd actually rather just pause and look up those 20 words when I see them, then if I was really dedicated to learning them right then and there then I'd watch the episode again later. But honestly I'd just trust that they'll show up again if they're important words.

>> No.20573569

>>20573526
I don't think we're talking about the same concept. Obviously pausing to skim a dictionary briefly is more natural in comparison. However, when it comes to adding sentence cards to an anki deck, this is more efficient than making them yourself.

>> No.20573573

>>20573569
Yeah we're talking about two different things, I don't use cards at all.

>> No.20573578

>>20573441
take it back you mean piece of shit...

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>>20573437
>You do realize that after watching just one or two episodes, you've encountered about 80% of the words the show will throw at you, right?

fukking kek are you watching japanese teletubbies?

>> No.20573618

>>20573359
lmao imagine being this bad at anime

>> No.20573620

>>20573618
what the FUCK bro? what would you recommend.

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>>20573620
read. (lmao)

>> No.20573629

>>20573626
which VNs? i am reading flyable heart but it's boring.

>> No.20573652

>>20572250
https://www.sokunousokudoku.net/hakarukun/ everybody take it and post your scores

>> No.20573660

>>20573359
I did this too. Then I put my autism to the side and put everything into one deck. It was fun knowing how man words I've mined in any given show but doing so many decks each day felt so tiresome so I stopped.

>> No.20573680
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>>20573629
Baldr Sky 1 and 2 thank me later you pleb

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>>20573705
hes never gonna thank u cuz hes never gonna read all that

u gotta start smaller for babies http://vmashup.com/2uKSdLWV

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>>20573652
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Boy, that "read more lol" meme sure helped me these past three years. By the way I have no idea what I read. Something about a desert island and a bunch of people in there or something and some dates I guess.

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