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おはようおにいちゃん

おにいちゃんは

どうしておにいちゃん

there is no greater feeling than correctly guessing a vocab word based on its kanji

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1K0S5Ki2dQ
I miss old japanese r&b.

whats the kanji for scheming merchant

IS there some way to skip ahead in anki without ending up with 500 reviews in one day afterwards? Second attempt at it because I lost access to my old anki progress so I gave up for like half a year.

>>20521519
you should do natural SRS instead, that way you can control exactly how many words you see each day

can we have a /djt/ rewind?

*rewinds like vhs tape*

on this day 3 years ago djt also did not know japanese

the more things change the more they stay the same eh mates LOL

>>20521276
私の嫁智乃は可愛いです

Wise words from Steveさん:
https://youtu.be/kF6kW5qjgqc

>>20521435
猶太

去年の大晦日と元日に風邪で病気だったのに今年の最後から二番目の日の今日で、また風邪を引いちまった。糞。

https://streamable.com/8t39u

since ur gonna post that krashen vid a bunch i guess uve forced my hand

in the first 3 seconds he says "kids"

into the trash it goes

we all kids adults aint special abolish ageism

who was hating on flip flappers? this show is pretty dope. It's die buster meets kill la kill. And the japanese is easy as fuck.

do u realize how aids ur post is

>>20522548
is it because the name or something? don't judge a book by it's cover. The show is emotionally charged, rendered well, and compelling.

i mean i havent watched it beyond the pv but ur endorsement for it makes it sound like my initial impression was right

>>20522581
it feels like die buster, if you liked that you should like this. I mean every show is pretty stupid, but some shows realize that fact and make it fun in other ways, this is one of those shows

i liked the 1st one better トップ2 was pretty trash

Ok so I'm a few months in and know ~1200 words and ~600 kanji. I've read Tae Kim once, but haven't really studied it. If I read every day for at least 2 hours, how good will I be by this time in 2019?

dunno

>>20522828
About N3 or N2 if you continue ankidroning along with reading and will watch anime, or have any other sort of listening practice, too.

>>20522828
>knowing words
This cab mean a lot of different things. Do you really even know the 1200 words though? Are they matured cards are just cards you've seen? Can you recognize them just by their hiragana? When you hear them can you recognize them?
I for example could say I know around 4k words but only really know to the point of hearing and seeing them instantly in all forms maybe 2k. So keep in mind theres layers to knowing things too.

>>20522828
try reading something and tell us how it goes

Is there a way to identify whether じゃない is being used as "Isn't it?" or "it's not" in every situation? This shit trips me up more than anything. Sometimes it is obvious, but sometimes it really isn't. At least to me.

unironically watch more anime

>>20523006
this is 話し言葉 (spoken language)

You literally have to hear if it sounds like a question or not.

because "isn't it" is じゃないか and "it's not" is じゃない, but the か can be ignored if you just talk casually.

>>20523061
yea you almost never hear か either really, just intonation 99% of the time

>>20523006
Other than obvious things like Janai following a verb or adjective, or hearing the pitch (let’s say you are reading a script) until you get a feel for it, make the default assumption that it always means “isn’t it” instead of “its not” because it fucks you up way less if you happen to get it wrong

What the FUCK does "i+1" mean?

it means watch more ani+1me

>>20521736
3 years ago people didn't write 出来ない with kanji.

and 3 years from now people will be writing it with romaji

>>20523104
Because it's impossible to get "it's not" with janai after a verb? 「あたしもう言ったじゃない」 など

>>20522877
Matured cards

>>20522850
I'm really happy to hear this

>>20522892
Sure thing, any recommendations? I was planning to start with oregairu, or maybe a cation game.

>>20523155
input that is comprehensible +1 thing that is unknown

why do all weird words have a ぬ in them

stfu ぬーb

>>20523227
just pick something and read it, it doesn't matter what

>>20523216
Exactly

thank you anon who recommended Japanese the Manga Way

what about me? will I ever get my thanks for recommending the jpop method?

>>20523399
nah fuck you

Thank you 2 ily <3

>>20523399
thanks

how do i into sentence mining? which sentences do i mine? if i just put on an anime and mined every sentence that has something in it i don't understand then i'd make 2500 cards in an hour.

>>20523467
don't do that
only memorize things that are extremely important
put off memorization until you can tell what's important
always keep listening and reading

>>20523474
but AJATT tells me to make 2.5k sentence cards which will eventually drill pattern recognition into my brain

how angry does it make you that i'm mining vocab from tae kim's guide so that i can more easily understand his points and example sentences?

>>20523467
Sentence mining only works if theres only 1 thing in it you don't know. Takes a whileto get there and find sentences that really fit the criteria. I say just do vocab words you find when reading. You can include the sentence in the card but I hate spending more time in anki trying to sift through sentences.

>>20523483
it's wrong
pattern recognition comes from listening and reading

>>20523487
lmao thanks for brightening up my day by showing me that such idiots exist

>>20523490
>Sentence mining only works if theres only 1 thing in it you don't know.
this is bs too, it only works when you dont know any japanese at all and dive in way over your head
>>20523503
same

>>20523503
i was planning on mining vocab from dojg and boirodaisuke too. fucking amused bitch?

>>20523490
>Sentence mining only works if theres only 1 thing in it you don't know.
If you're low IQ maybe

>>20523474
you don't memorize sentences, you learn to recognize sentence patterns
>>20523490
yikes, never read anything this wrong before
>>20523492
mining sentences and reviewing them gets your brain used to patterns the same way as reading does. Except it's more focused.

>>20523474
there's a difference between memorizing a sentence and remembering all its meaning when SRSing it.

>>20523509
you can mine vocab and sentences from wherever as long as you use good definitions and readings and the sentences were written by a native

just please for the love of god don't mine sentence translations

>>20523572
my man if you put it into 暗記 then it's 暗記

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKHIrqy_jZc

Just started core 2k, I can easily get the meanings but I always seem to forget the readings. How do you guys do it?

>>20523645
Pretend you're a cool badass anime character and you're using it in a sentence to humiliate someone much weaker than you.

>>20523645
Welcome to learning kanji!

http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1546201481472.webm

is your japanese better than this guy's?

>>20523645
You'll learn them eventually.
I'm at 1k words and I'm starting to remember a ton of readings for individual kanji and I've never done RTK of stuff like that.

>>20523689
i dont think i could ever say anything this adorable so no

Is さよなら絶望先生 what I should read after 2 volumes of yotsuba? I don't want to continue on with yotsuba right now

do it if u wana die

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdAmkx8eAos

>>20523645
I stare at it and think "you dumb fuck I can't believe you forgot it again you goddamn moron" and sometimes it comes to me

>>20523709

cardcaptor sakura clear card
it's easier than yotsuba when you get passed the kansai ben of kerochan

yotsuba starts getting hard around volume 3 and 4. there's more dialogue per page

>>20523724
>yotsuba starts getting hard around volume 3 and 4
Oh, it does? I wanted to stop because it wasn't very challenging and I was getting bored. I don't want something that's easier than the first 2 volumes of yotsuba, ideally it would be something a bit harder.

When your young pile percent goes to your mature pile.

>>20523732

if it's easy then how are you still on volume 2?

>>20523653
>>20523678
>>20523693
>>20523721
Thanks, I was being more stupid than usual.

>>20523645
I "learn" new words by printing them and making physical flashcards and use anki for the srs/review part. Sounds stupid as shit but I remember it way better when I have the paper in my hand. I was banging my head against the wall spending an hour on my new cards alone unable to remember them. Now I can memorize 30 in about 10-15 minutes and my retention rate went up 20%.

>>20523744
I read NHK easy for 3 weeks prior to starting with it (feel free to laugh). I've been reading for a month total, took my about a week to get through the first 2 volumes.

>>20523765

how did read nhk? it doesn't have furigana. do you know all 2100 kanji?

>>20523780

how did you read*

>>20523780

>>20523780
>>20523790
What do you mean? It's the easy baby version of NHK, it does have furigana. I assume you aren't aware of it.

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/

>>20523801

oh i thought you meant welcome to nhk lol you meant the actual news agency

welp the dekinai's are taking over, guess I'm out for a few months, ill be back to make fun of your slow progress

>>20523765
How many vocab words did you have down before tackling NHK Easy?

>>20523854
Hmm, 1000 or so. I tried Yotsuba first but I couldn't tell when words ended/basic grammar structure which is a way easier problem to deal with on NHK I found.

>>20523709
>>20523724
Manga isn't reading though.

>>20523885

yes it is. you read short sentences within bubbles. how is that not reading?

dekinai`s

>>20523898
>it's a "newfag gets caught in the pleb filter" episode

>>20523903

yotsuba does get boring though

i might try dragon ball

>>20523885
>look mom I posted it again!

>>20523919
what's the difficulty of dragon ball compared to yostuba
i never watched the cartoon so it'd be neat to read the mango

>>20523823
Just make sure to do so in Japanese next time.

>>20523933

it's about this difficult
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bulma a stankin ass ho

>>20523956
gracias amigo

i forgot. was bulma even japanese?
bulma is not a japanese name

lol

Reminder that Japanese people will actively lie about your Japanese being good, even when it's embarrassingly bad.

I haven't even been learning Japanese for 5 years yet and his post was still painful to read.

>>20524097
Her name comes from "bloomers"

>>20524136

you can tell if your japanese is bad without a japanese person telling you whether it's good or bad

Today I learned that the anti-alcohol censorship isn't just something they added in the translated version.

>>20524151
it's not even censorship, it's a parody of censorship

>>20524163
Yeah it's pretty obvious in the Japanese version when he uses ippai for coffee.

>>20524097
lmao imagine getting so embarrassed about your question you delete your post.

>>20524190
majora's mask does the same thing with magic milk too

>>20524136
That's youtube comments. They would be retarded, and like in this case, praising incompetent language learners in most any language.

>>20524136
Why would you even make this, you autist? The comments are impressed somebody is at least trying in their language and they're still understandable. Meanwhile, you're shitposting the guy's attempt and the support of others to peacock yourself in a thread with 30~ people in it. I felt like I lost kanji gains reading your rude-ass post.

>>20524136
desu the fact that you took time of your day to rage about this is p pathetic

>>20524217
トムあなたつかれているのよ

私は名前はトムです

>>20523956
i will never get to touch bulma's (or whoever that is) dirty butt. orz

>>20524221
>>20524235
Looks like DJT really has turned into a town of sensitive dekinais.

>>20524217
ワシはトムでございます。

>>20524221
>getting mad at someone for being rude
>posting actual antisemitic cancer

我輩はトムである。

>>20524246
止めて.

>>20524136
half of ur comments are retarded the other half are whatever

i tried to tell them that a long time ago but ur never gonna persuade these hard right uppercasers

>>20523956
ブルマの

じゅうが

りある

>>20524136
This is up there as one of the most autistic posts in recent memory. Top lad.

>お上手ですね
nope.mp3

>>20524283
fuck off to reddit faggot

NONONOONONONOONONONONOONONOOO STOP LEARNING JAPANESE STOP IT NOOOOOoOOOooOOOOooooOOOOO MY POWERS

>>20524136
>being this mad that other people get compliments

>>20524302
Hopefully you don't mean the red comments in the image, because those all point to errors of varying levels, but all pretty bad. Like the first one, 理不尽ほどような優しさ, is enough to give anyone who knows Japanese whiplash and it doesn't get much better from there. If you think his Japanese is anything but laughably awful then I'm afraid you don't know what you're talking about.

>>20523956
looks like a fun read and bulma looks cuter in the mango

If that chart that gets posted is bullshit, what is a good first VN to start with?

>>20524380
This is the only good one because it understands that picking what you're interested in is what's most important, not listing a bunch of generic moege/plotge.

>>20524358
oh trust me id throw him a jozu with some ws

He's doing Anki reps? Crash the program, delete the backup.

>>20524380

勉強したら身につけないぞ。望む者は戦争するべきだ。言語の戦場へゆけ。

tl: play that aqua shit http://vmashup.com/2uKSdLWV

魑魅魍魎
aesthetic kanji

we got those 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE_eppxzl-E

lmao

luving that tokyo ghoul pfp

Jap wiggers are the worst

they arent wiggers u gotta think of another word : )

jiggers or niggers

my ninja..

アウト

>>20524572
this isn't 4chan get this fucking RACISM outta here...

>>20524595
Its jigger( jap -igger) or niggers (nippon+iggers retard) Jesus fuck missed the joke

>>20524283
>actual antisemitic cancer

>>20524611
I find it particularly funny when antisemites try to spread their filth in this thread considering one of djt's leading figures is jewish (*att).

それもアウト

>>20524595

This site is truly lost to (((them))). Sad

>>20524617
>one of djt's leading figures is jewish (*att).
that explains his amicable personality and magnanimity

>>20524617
all you had to say was krashen but you really had to go there

do any of you gaijis know how to disable subtitles by default in mpv?

2k done.
Guess the real difficulty hike is now.

>>20524718
no but i could bing it in seconds and so could you

>>20524744
>bing it in seconds
what is this kikery

Can someone explain こと to me? Is it like a suffix that basically just means "thing" like 物?

>>20524617
all you had to say was steve kaufmann but you really had to go there

>>20524718
I don't know how you could possibly muster the courage to call anybody a gaiji.

>>20524760
i've no idea dude this third world language confuses the fuck out of me

>>20524760
Yes but it's not necessarily a physical object like mono. Like 読むこと is the concept of reading (not how to read that would be 読み方)

and あなたのこと is just simply your こと

>>20524760
Literally every single grammar guide explains what こと is

>>20524760
it normalizes verbs into nouns so you can attach particles to them and do cool stuff with verbs to them

so does she like me or just my こと ??

>>20524760
It's a word, not a suffix, unless you see/hear it as ごと instead.

聞きたい事（こと）があるんだけど（聞いてもいいでしょうか？）
There's something I'd like to ask you, but... (is it okay to ask?)

何か悩みごとでもありますか？
Is there something troubling you?

物 is more for tangible things like objects, whereas 事 is more for intangible things like ideas and events.

i haven't even really internalized what it means to nominalize verbs into nouns after countless english examples have been presented to me. i'm too low iq to learn japanese

こと vs 事 whats diff ??

koto vs こと vs 事's CHIGAI HA NANIDESUKA?! OSHIETEKUDASAI

Hello fellow Japanese learners.

Please consider using Kitsun.io instead of Anki and I promise you, for the short fee of $7.50 per month, you will be capable of finally learning Japanese.

>>20524829
you can learn japanese while being iq89, literal retards learn to speak, you have no excuse

>>20524855
plz dont say foolish kotos

>>20524752
calm down its a joudan
>>20524829
dont think just feel
>>20524860
holy shit based
remember the amount of nihongo you can learn is tied to the dolla you spend
now you can finally make it

>>20524829
to nominalize -> nominalization

>>20524829
That's because you need to stop reading English examples and start reading Japanese.

>>20524908
this

>>20524826
Thanks man i think my retard brain grasped it.

>>20524926
Mount stupid is the best place for receiving constructive feedback though.

nah the only thing for us residents of the bigger mount stupid to do is throw our shit down on the smaller mount stupid

>tfw finally decided to look up the difference between　よう　らしい　みたい　そう and という

you should have just asked tomodati

>>20524136
>Seeking this much validation and approval for your complex
kys

>>20525246
Sorry I was so mean to your youtube comment, anon-kun. Just remember, practice makes perfect! Five more years and maybe you'll be good!

>>20524136
can u do one of those for this vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cHkYO9lWO8

>>20525246
dude there's nothing wrong with hating dishonest japs why is everyone hating on him for it

>>20525279

>>20525279
>(SIKE! I don't even go to school here lol)
i never watched this whole thing does he have a lot of these sick annotations

>つまらなくない

>>20525273

I got a chuckle out of this, thought I'd share.

Can you really reach N2 if you read 2-3 hours per day for a year? Or were you guys lying when someone asked earlier

probably but no one has ever gone that hard before
they put 12 hours a day into flash cards instead because they care more about numbers than japanese

>>20525349
What's the punchline? You using google translate?

idk juice breast hole is pretty fuckin epic

Can the anon who posted this template for his Anki cards be so kind as to give us the code in a pastebin? I would really like to use it for my decks, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

no youre the only one

flashtard meta is over

>>20525352
It really depends on how fast your vocabulary grows. Grammar-wise, N2 is doable, but understanding the grammar doesn't help if you can't understand half the words.

>出会う
>出会す
JAPAN WHY

>>20525387
here you go my man
https://pastebin.com/RwNV6YMG

>>20525424
How big is the vocabulary requirement for that level? https://jlptstudy.net/N2/?vocab-list This site says ~5000 words, is that accurate? I'm at 2000 and am doing 30 new words per day so if I dont get lazy I'll hit that in a bit over 3 months.

>>20525462
not that guy but thanks my dude

>>20525462
Thanks, I owe you one.

>>20525473
Though thinking about it, it'll take a lot longer for all those words to mature, for me to see them in context repeatedly etc

>>20525473
>This site says ~5000 words, is that accurate?
That sounds like way too few for the level that N2 describes to me, but maybe that's all you need to pass their N2 test.

That said, looking again at the descriptions for the various JLPT levels, I notice that none of them make any mention of dictionary use, so it might be the case that the level described by N2 assumes you will be able to do those things *with the help of a dictionary*. If this is the case, then yes, I'd say N2 level is probably achievable if you're putting in 3 hours of reading & listening per day (though 3 hours is probably the bare minimum and ideally you should try to do more).

>>20525362
That the kanji for limestone cavern (鍾乳洞) literally mean "heavymetal milk cave" (I guess from using 鍾乳 "heavymetal milk" to refer to lime, a calcium mineral). But sometimes 鐘 (bell) is used instead of 鍾, and 乳 can mean breasts. Thus, juice breast hole and Binaka Bell Tits.

im gonna name my post hardcore band juice breast hole

If I read substantially more than I listen will my listening be perma fucked?

if youre reading this congratulations youre permad fucked

if you are learning japanese you are perma fucked

if youre わたし you are ゲイ

爆睡 sounds like it should be the opposite of deep sleep...

>>20525660
Try and watch one episode of an anime / J-Drama / etc. a day, even if you barely understand it at first. You can learn colloquialisms and catch speech and grammar cases a lot easier if you pair this with Anki kanji reps. Animelon is literally made for this explicit purpose of teaching listeners.

https://animelon.com/

>>20525904
>https://animelon.com/
This site is really neat

>>20524719
>2k
6k is the beginner stage

>>20524401
Any more of those 'I want to read Muramasa, what are some vns to prep'?

wrong, you shouldn't start reading till 10k at least

smarmy lil cunt ain't ya

yea 10k hours of eng subbed anime

it's 15k now, keep pushing me, see where that gets you

the more anime u watch the better ur prospects period

I'd watch as much anime as possible even if I wasn't studying the language so you don't really have to bring it up all the time thanks

yo-sh

30k kanji god here, wish i stopped at 6k

>>20525660
perma fuckin aint a thing
if you listen at all and read a lot you will probably make it

i dont believe you

you aint gotta believe anyone you just gotta make it

Remember to watch dubbed anime for maximum context comprehension

remember to watch german dubs with spanish subs so you can immerse in three languages at once
warning this might not be possible for you yet if you are not already meditating at least an hour a day

perma fuckin can only by undone by leaving this thread forever and watching not only eng subbed anime but it also has to be really good anime

I'm currently on my 2nd play through of Tokyo Sonata. Only 98 more until fluency!

who here is bluepilled immersing

last night i dreamt i was fucking some big titty nip girl but i went completely soft after she started making JAV tier squeels

>>20526137
not gonna make it

oi do ya got a loicense to post that ugly bint m8

dint bloody realize i was postin yer mum : )

yo, kinda japanese-related question

there some really cool twitter users, or pages, uploading interesting seiyuus/idols stuff. these pages are korean
korean
i was just watching a jap vid subbed in korean, and I just thought "hey, Korean doesn't look that hard".

Can you give me a quick description of the Korean language? (writing system). I am thinking about learning it, since it seems easier
So, how it is? we have a roman alphabet. nips have hiragana, katakana and kanji; what do Korean people have?

>>20525934
Tried to stick to good games here, I can imagine not wanting to read Bradyon Veda despite how difficult / good for learning the text can be

All chuunishit by Light, Nitro +, etc (Tokyo Necro and Kikokugai are obvious choices)
Hanachirasu - https://vndb.org/v430 - Didn't include this in the chart because it's super obvious, but this is written by Muramasa's author and covers similar ground so there's no better prep for Muramasa than it. Also, it's really short (and really good).
Machina Series - https://vndb.org/v568 - These games heavily involve politics, sci-fi, and fight scenes just like Muramasa. (despite appearances, the order at the start is indeed Kikai -> Amatsukaze)
Dungeons and Daimeiwaku - https://vndb.org/v19579 - As expected of Mareni, complex grammar and extensive vocabulary. However, due to brand differences (liar-soft instead of rail-soft), his style is restrained and more accessible. This makes it a better VN to learn than Mareni's full power VNs.
Itsusora - https://vndb.org/v23 - Wild setting and fight scenes, lots of intense text

So basically, just stuff that tackles serious subjects and has good writers. In the end, it's really just a wealth of experience that you'll need, so reading literally anything will but help. Like I have Comyu and Mushi no Me above it on the tier list but honestly they'd be great "prep" for Muramasa too. The key is just reading a lot and reading a variety of things.

Oh, and dabbling in printed novels will be good too, just to expand your horizons. I recommend this web novel not only for being good but because it's particularly well written with flowery prose that will be a good learning experience.

https://ncode.syosetu.com/n8001by/2/

>>20526282
korean have hangul which is piss easy to learn and that's it

>>20526282
I will never understand why people ask such retardedly long-winded questions instead of finding the answer in 1/4 of the time through a simple google search.

>>20526294
because googles gives 10000 results
i am asking a simple, "give me a quick descrption" question, comparing it to Japanese, for me to understand it better (it is easier to approach something through something you're already related too. basic logic)

retard.
might aswell never ever ask again. google xd

>>20526293
do they have a diagram or pic about, I don't know, vowels or consonants?

>>20526306
I think you're trolling because it's literally impossible to be as stupid as you appear to be. If you google "korean writing system", the first result is the wikipedia page for Hangul which has every conceivable piece of information you'd need. Kys you dumb fuck.

>>20526317
jesus did your gf dump you for a chad??

go out
breah some fresh air
buy a prostitute if you will

this is a language-learning thread. korean is related to japan. it doesn't hurt at all to ask a simple question

fstop seething, and fuck off

>>20526282
>since it seems easier
lol

>>20521276
How/what caused the VN core deck to be made?

>>20526333
>korean is related to japan
it's not

>>20526333
No, I just hate lazy useless fucks like yourself that want to be spoon fed. Though you seem too stupid to even know how to hold the spoon so it's not too egregious I suppose.

>>20526338
it isn't? saw a korean wiki the other day. noticed it uses what could be compared to hiraganas/katanakas, no complicated interpretation/kanji shit

>>20526341
isn't it asiatic?

>>20526342
nah
chad is fucking your gf right now. that's why you're autistically seething rn

>>20526353
>asiatic
no such language family

>>20526353
>thinking you won't be a complete failure if whether or not you learn a language is based on if it's easier or harder
lol

>>20526353
>hiraganas/katakanas
>isn't it asiatic?
Ok, the laugh I just had makes up for you being a lazy sack of shit. You're forgiven, you glorious brainlet fuck.

>>20526306
I think hiragana is easier to learn since there's variety in the shapes, but Japanese cannot really function off of a hiragana system alone like Korean can with Hangul due to the fact that Japanese has only a handful of sounds in comparison. Korean's hard because it's a more heavily agglutinative language than Japanese is with even more difficult pronunciations to pull off. On the flipside, however, you don't ever have to deal with kanji.

>>20526356
hmm-hhm
>>20526358
like i said, there are some interesting seiyuu/idols korean pages. stuff that is not translated to english
alternative could be chinese (bilibili, them pro hackers leaking stuff, etc) but i think that one is harder and uglier

>>20526359
woof woof

>>20526367
fantastic! thank you

hmm, I see, its system is called "Hangul". that's a start.
And yep, it does look very complicated, but atleast, no kanji shit, right? that's good to know

>hmm, I see, its system is called "Hangul". that's a start.
is this epic redditor trolling or some shit?

>>20526404
let it out. stop bitting your own lips and let it out

explain what happened to you now

>>20526282
Hangul. Easy as fuck.
No joke, you can have the entire alphabet memorised in a single afternoon.

>>20526282
>I am thinking about learning it, since it seems easier
not gonna make it in anything ever
how easy something is should have no impact on your interest in doing it
you dont have an interest you just want to know an "asiatic" lang cause it sounds fun
go ahead and get angry but im givin you the truth so maybe you wont waste your time
you need to want to fuckin read a bunch of shit so much that youll do it no matter how hard it is or you arent gonna make it
thats the way it works

we need to reverse this threads descent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5y4L4bneyM#t=77

already did but its always time for tomodati to swervin

>>20526441
yep, just an alphabet. it's meant to be

>how easy something is should have no impact on your interest in doing it
true
>you dont have an interest you just want to know an "asiatic" lang cause it sounds fun
not true. I see nip stuff translated into korean. eng subs/translations? nope - korean subs/translations? yep
>go ahead and get angry but im givin you the truth so maybe you wont waste your time
why get angry. you're not this pff-topic, useless cunt >>20526359
>you need to want to fuckin read a bunch of shit so much that youll do it no matter how hard it is or you arent gonna make it
literally every path/goal ever

why so scared

>>20526283
Thank you anon

>>20526481
oooh greentext meant for >>20526449
I'm a dumbo~ sorry

>>20526367
>>20526402
Another Pro-Tip: King Sejong the Great, in his infinite wisdom, tried to make the Hangul represent your tongue/mouth in the position of the sound of the character.
N = ㄴ
Tongue curling up to the front of the roof of your mouth.
K/G = ㄱ
Tongue curled at the back of your mouth.

This is why ancient Korean peasants had a literacy rate of some bullshit like 99%, it's simple as fuck.

And everything compounds into groups of characters, typically 2 or 3, but you can get 4 in some cases.
M = ㅁ, B = ㅂ
Oo = ㅜ
Moo = 무, Boo = 부

Etc...

You never have sole character, in cases where you need just a single character you use the "ㅇ" placeholder.
"Ee" (The Korean surname romanized as "Lee") = Placeholder + Ee = 이

>>20526481
you see nip stuff translated to korean and your genius idea is to learn korean instead of japanese?
wut

desu ive suggested that before

its not the worst thing u can do

its better than never learning corean or japaneez

>>20526506
this looks so good

>>20526517
yep
you wanted an interest, so that's it

stay jelly bully

>>20526481
>korean subs/translations? yep
but why
>why get angry
people dont like discouragement but maybe you aight
i still question your actual interest but ill revise my judgment to could possibly make it
that dude wasnt me
>>20526520
you biased cause you into that korean shit

>>20526525
If you can't even google the wikipedia page you're not gonna make it no matter how easy language you pick.

theres not much if any korean shit i like specifically

>>20526525
^stupid 4chan x. enter means to go down, not send the message. grrr.

i'll fix this post later...

>>20526525
>you wanted an interest
i've just entered the conversation, what are you talking about
still doesn't make sense to learn korean instead of japanese with what you said

you into the lang aint you close enough
but not likin any korean shit is exactly why you shouldnt be suggestin it

>>20526538
quiet. see >>20526536
got things to fix

i have to deal with 3 (you)s. calm down. let me reply to each one of you
(...)

>>20526534
Gooks make better films than Nips though.
I wish I was wrong, I do, but it's fact.

i know the hanguls well enough to look up shit in those shitty korean mmos i used to play and i like that 1 epik high song

thats abt it

>>20526552
all sea countries make better films than japan

thats where id stop if i did it

Has anyone in this fucking thread completed core 6k and actually fucking made it?!?

>>20526506
(you)

thank you very much, I said that it looked good, quite helpful. I may not get it at first, but it's a nice tip nonetheless

>You never have sole character, in cases where you need just a single character you use the "ㅇ" placeholder.
I am going to sleep, all comfy, knowing that i learnt something today
now i know how to use vocals

>>20526571
>completed core 6k and actually fucking made it
now thats an unlikely combo

>>20526579
See I don't think anyone actually has

this is animal fortune-telling!!
https://uranai-cafe.jp/animal/en/

the only dudes that have made it in djt that i know of are kanken guy and imouto
ntr doesnt count he stopped learnin before djt existed
but the more core you do the lower your chances of makin it are

>>20526528
>but why
why not

>>20526532
>question? lmao dude google it xd
0 points to you

>>20526538
what's so hard to understand. it's not that deep

look, all of you
https://namu.wiki/w/%EB%82%98%EB%AC%B4%EC%9C%84%ED%82%A4:%EB%8C%80%EB%AC%B8
this page got interesting information about some artists, not found in ja.wikipedia.org
just giving an example

>>20526613
Who are you quoting?

>>20526616
kawayama tatsuya
my meido <3

>>20526572
You're welcome anon.

>>20526613
dude look at this spiderman trailer that got translated to german
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkVgazfbfUs
im gonna start learning german right now

>>20526613
>why not
strange to go through the trouble of learnin a language for more translations on the assumption theyll be better
>this page got interesting information about some artists, not found in ja.wikipedia.org
dont compare a specialized wiki to general wiki
you can probably find an equivalent

>>20526645
spiderman 2 was translated to my own language, to turkish, to european english, to takataka, to usa english, to polish, to italian, to mandarin, to alien language, etc, countless of times, years ago
we all know very well who spiderman is

try harder kiddo

>>20526666
calm down satan

I pretty much stopped mining, maybe due to the dependence of dictionaries, but im not ready to let go of anki yet

its like smokin some people have to go cold turkey some have to quit slow do what works for you youll get there

What pieces of media are you planning on working your way through in 2019, my beautiful friends?
I'm going to try Haruhi in order to push myself out of my comfort zone, and Super Robot Wars Alpha. That one should be easier since the only real issue is all the new vocab (in addition to it being a PSX game and thus lookup is slower).
Of course those aren't the only things I'm going to do with my Japanese, but those are two short-ish term goals that will satisfy me.

idk prolly just watch some anime

>>20526655
>strange to go through the trouble of learnin a language for more translations on the assumption theyll be better
i just do it
because that's what's up there. no magic, it's just that simple

>dont compare a specialized wiki to general wiki
what? it's a source. a source it's a souce
>you can probably find an equivalent
like what? assuming you know exactly what i want...

^fact, because facts btfo everything:
the page got some information nowhere to be found in the ja.wikipedia.org wiki
end. dot.

>>20526710
i dont know what you want im not into seiyuus and idols
im sayin theres tons of shit that aint on wikipedia.org that is on specialized wikis or other sites
im sure youve had to go to other sites because of that in english too
i hear nihonjin are into seiyuus and idols too so they probably have sites to gather all their seiyuu and idol info
itd surprise me if koreans had better resources than nihonjin but like i said im not into it

>>20526755
so, as expected
you dont know the field, but you're blindly believe that there is stuff out there

believe me, i know internet. i know my sites. i know what i find. where i say that there is info out there not found in nip/english, then i mean it.
just a reminder: the page was only an example. this isn't about a single page, but about countless vids or stuff like that across all the internet

why are we having this conversation anyway. why am i giving so much explanations. i'm good with a comfy conversation, but this is going nowhere

>itd surprise me if x had better resources than nihonjin
chinks do. chinks do leak concerts all the time. chinks were responsible for leaking fucking seiyuus private IDs. chinks had to face legal problems because of that. they have resources. some nips artists even ban china i think, bc they are dangerous
so yeah, point is: nihonjin is not everything

Do you think Nukemarine and Matt would melt at the sight of CureDolly's power aura IRL?

dolly chan sensei teaches u more japanese in 1 video than matt and nuke do combined in all their worthless content theyve generated lifetime

dolly also makes your ears bleed but i love her anyway

>>20526844
>nihonjin is not everything
Then what the fuck are you doing here? Stop spamming the thread with your offtopic shit and find a forum for whatever you wanna learn.

>>20526859
hey guys matt here i'm going to talk about how i've been procrastinating and wasting away in my piss jug bedroom and i'll also talk in english the entire time but make sure to do AJATT you sons of bitches AJATT OR DIE

thats not true sometimes he says an anime line here or there to try and sound like hes with the shits lol

>>20526891
>nihonjin is not everything
>Then what the fuck are you doing here?

how the fuck is that response even related i dont even
look, annoying useless cunt
get hit by a meteor twice pls

tatoeba https://streamable.com/l6h0h

How many hours do you study a day, DJT? I'm thinking of starting and want to see what the commitment is.

69 hours a day

>>20526969
15 minutes in Anki and maybe 5 minutes listening to something in Japanese.

>>20526855
matt already SRS'd japanese grammar from a japanese perspective, and also SRS'd classical japanese grammar. he's like a super saiyan goku that would smash dolly's head off.

>>20526995
go to bed matt

at least that one was kinda funny

watching this 100x over will make you know more 日本語 than the emperor himself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZF-HL8PVGc

>>20527033
Watching anime is still better

god fucken dam it

>>20526844
you seem to know what you want but the new question is why not learn mandarin

>>20526969
2 half-hour sessions of reading and another half hour listening was my routine but the holiday spirit got me slumpin to just a half hour of reading or no immersion at all like today

If I only have two hours a day to study (maybe four on weekends) what is the best way to get n4-n3 by the end of the year? I used to be able to do 2200 and Genki (did not progress a lot) when I could still study for 4+ hours a day, but that's no longer available for me. Is Genki still worth it or should I just focus on finishing the 2200 deck?

forcin it aint as productive as enjoyin it and can lead to more slumps in the long run so relax and get back in it when youre thinkin shit i wanna read some nihongo

nihongo and bowel movements are pretty similar

u shouldnt force either of them

thats some fuckin wisdom

>>20527303
Just do what I do and just kind of focus in and out of "study" times, just set a general timeframe to get things done and work at the pace that's best for you. Thinking of it as a race isn't going to do yourself any favors, especially if you find it tedious.

Anyone else will read japanese alone during new year?

obviously

>かっとっぶっころす
What did he mean by this?

>>20527627
flying into a rage to beat [someone/something] to death? i have no idea... just take a guess based on the context that you didn't provide.

>>20521276
いいストリームが発見と
https://www.twitch.tv/rtainjapan
みてみてみてみて

This maybe a long shot but a while ago I saw a chart which listed a bunch of VNs and the percent of words they had which was not in the core 6k/2k, does anyone have that image or know what I'm talking about?

>>20527674
I just want to find a dude who reads all the text while playing through an RPG.

>>20527668
Sorry I just attached these random words that make expression stronger also I don't know japanese.

>>20527674
Naisu!

>>20527303
Genki and other textbooks aint worth shit. Anki 30 min / reading 90 min is the way to go.

>>20527749
but when do you start reading? and don't say right away, cause that's just painful and deflates any fun one could have with a topic of interest

>>20527762
You can start reading at literally any time
>beginners read NHK EASY
>mid-tier reads TBS NEWS
>everyone who isn't a dekinai reads LNs and shit

>>20527766
i started reading a book and lost all motivation after having to look up 95% of content words, went back to just leaning on my anki crutch and promised myself i'll come back when i got more than 300 words under my belt

>>20527762
Right away.

>>20527773
Even though playing isn't always reading, seeing words/tenses/grammar repeatedly is better than nothing if you're still not able to read shit properly.

Don't make excuses, DO something with Japanese, preferably something that involves seeing a decent quantity of text.

>>20527773
if you lost motivation you need to try somethin else tomodati not just give up and return to nothin but flashcards and genki
if you want to get 500 or so words first it aint too bad but holdin off til 2000 or however many is buildin up a fear in your mind you gotta conquer that fear by consuming compelling content
its no big deal if youre missing tons of shit as long as there are sentences that make you go i know what that means
every time that happens you made progress so find somethin that can hold your interest and if it becomes a chore or frustratin move on again

what does that として mean after 説明する?

>>20527889
>>20527889
>>20527889
>>20527889
>>20527889
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/reasoning

never mind

it means as

it's weird how i didn't learn that earlier

>>20527883
well on the upside i'm watching unsubbed anime and playing nip eroge that i can't understand, also lurking twitter all day trying to understand what all the artists are writing

>>20527905
if you dont understand anything youre not gainin much
if youre just exaggeratin and you are gettin things here and there its good but maybe more for the eroge than the anime
if you ask me early listenin is pushed too much if you watched a ton of anime already and know the phonetics you need to get your grammar and vocab up to par with some good readin
but if you enjoy it then do it
and anything that interests you enough to try to decipher is good
just remember obsessin over one line is usually a waste when there are so many more lines you could be movin on to

>>20527927
since starting i noticed myself picking up a lot more words and realized it's actually not that hard to keep track of what's going on in easier shows (moeshit), i don't feel like i need subs at all anymore there. every time i understand jokes that aren't entirely conveyed by visuals i feel proud.
but then again, i should really shift focus away from listening as you say, i'm plenty familiar with tonalities/phonetics since before i started formally learning nip.
maybe i'll just work my way through manga instead

Remember, you're automatically better than most of the monolingual plebbitors who go "nuh-uh kids can learn languages better than adults, there's no point!!!!!!" if you stick with it. 頑張れ！

Problem: I want to read an ongoing manga and don't want to pay for it but, as you all know, Japanese raws don't exist on the internet despite ultra-HQ scanlations being available at the drop of a hat. Here are my options:

1. Give up reading it weekly, wait 3 months for the volume scans to get uploaded on nyaa
2. Just read the scanlation despite being in English, higher image quality, get to participate in discussions about it as it releases
3. Anon tells me the secret of how to find raws for new manga chapters, everyone is happy

Thoughts?

【name of weekly/biweekly/monthly/whatever publication】 raw zip

>>20527969
Manga-Zip.

>>20527987
>>20527981
i can't believe this actually worked and i can finally continue reading something that was only translated into beaner language
not this guy btw >>20527969 but still thanks a lot

What do the fine people of this thread think of the opinion that reading (without audio equivalent to aid with pronunciation) will cripple your accent early on? (Considering sub-vocalization and such)

>>20528077
More probably bullshit than not but if you haven't watched 10000 hours of anime before you started learning Japanese you don't belong itt anyway

>>20528077
just listen to things too
don't believe anyone who says that reading 'too much' will hurt your accent despite the fact that you're already listening enough

it took me two hours just to read 2 pages of a manga
fuck!

>>20528113
look less up or read something easier

>>20528113
Shit, I'm over here whining about how it takes 2 minutes to read a LN page.

I miss the old problems.

>>20527981
Thanks, somehow I hadn't thought to download the whole magazine, and there are high quality scans each week right on nyaa. Problem sorted. Legitimately surprised it was that easy, thanks.

>tfw you can only hold off learning katakana for so long
>tfw you're 2k words deep in anki and know basic grammar / sentence rules but you can barely read 1/4 of katakana
>tfw you're just procrastinating at this point

you were literally me a couple years ago except i only had 300 kanji down and i went to play pokemon and get my ass blasted in half by katakana

but seriously it's not that bad

>>20528163
>ポケモンの名はカタカナだけで書いたとゆ感じ
>１週間ぐらいで覚えた

いい感じだ

>>20528077
any claim about permanent or even difficult to change bad habits you should be skeptical about
maybe if youve never watched a fuckin anime before you should to get a handle on the sounds that even exist in the language and a loose familiarity with some voices
but if youre here you probably got that down and should focus on reading early on
listening is best when the content would be easy with text and youre purely focused on your ability to follow by ear or on noticing more subtle things in speech
>>20528163
just read and youll be forced to get better at it

おおみそかだよ

おとしだま

おとしだまちょうだい

>>20528187
>all those poor 日本子ども that have to put up with that garbage font
pouring one out for all the homies

>>20528077
Yooo all you gotta do is watch some Peppa Pig and you'll uncripple your Japanese in short order

Hi guys.

I spent the weekend polishing up a old project of mine, and just released it. It's an OCR Japanese dictionary - and while it's not quite as fully featured as OCR Manga Reader, it's much more convenient to use (in my opinion, anyways), and works *everywhere*. The OCR is also sometimes better due user-adjustable binarization levels.

Give it a try and let me know what you think! https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ca.fuwafuwa.kaku

>>20528290
hope you're using jmdict and not edict

>>20528337
Yup, I was using JmDict.

Here's a video that shows how Kaku can be used: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl23PIYGZYA

>>20527889
エサをつけてから

せつめいしますってことだとおもうよ

Tokidoki detekuru wadai nan desu ga, romaji ni tsuite chotto hanashitai to omoimasu. Netto wo etsuran shinagara kono nagare ni nita you na hanashiai wa mita koto ga aru darou.

Mazu, itsumo no monku ga detekite: "Kanji nante kieba ii no ni" tte. Soshite itsumo no henji: "Nihongo wa onaji oto wo motsu kotoba ga oosugite sonna no muri" tte.

Desu ga, kore wa hontou na no deshou ka?
Tashika ni kanji-naki no hon wo yomu no wa shinan no waza de arou kedo, nihonjin no shaberu nihongo nara kanji wa sonzai shinai. Soshite sono shabetteiru nihongo wo sono mama kiroku suru ni wa, romaji wa kana yori jouhou wo ushinatteiru wake demo nai. Dakara romaji e no bujoku wa chotto iratsukunda.

Kono nagare mo mita koto ga arun darou.

"Konnichiwa! Boku no namae wa anon desu! Yoroshiku Onegaishimasu desu!" to iu bun wo romaji de toukou ubu na shoshinsha ga ite. Soshite chotto shita joukyuusha kidori de "Romaji nante tsukatta jiten de, mada *hontou no nihongo* wa nani hitotsu shiranai na" to henji suru yatsu mo iru.

You wa, ano you na yatsu ni sakebitai. "Sono hito no junsui na omoi wa, romaji de arawashitatte chanto nihongo nanda!" tte ne.

>>20528549
止めたほうがいいよ

>>20528290
>>20528368

Sick, will be great for beginner manga readers.

>wa
you dont get to break tradition just cause youre usin romanji

>>20528549
Spoken language and written language always differ, especially in case of Japanese. Furthermore, to differentiate between homophones in speech you rely greatly on context. Even if it's a formal speech full of onyomi-constructed words, these words will be common enough for this specific context. Books lack context so they need kanji.

>>20526703
more vns, getting into LNs and reading more manga
idk maybe halfway through the year I get sucked in into some new shit like rpgmaker games

>>20528781
Speaking of LNs, check out GJ-bu. It's somehow way better than its anime.

>>20528549

>>20528792
never watched the anime but thanks for the rec

ことしは

がんばった

おにいちゃんもがんばった

みんながんばった

だからあたしもがんばるぞい

>>20528290
That looks really nice, thanks

ぞいって言ったｗ

>>20528290
what about ios

So there are a total of 15 000 yomichan users for firefox and chrome combined. My question is, how do all the other people "learning" Japanese look words up? Do they manually enter each one in jisho?

>>20528290
I'm in awe that someone from this thread is able to create something of value tbqh

>>20529322
They either take formal classes or pretend to learn Japanese by reading Genki once a week.

stop using the 'w'

>>20529322
まあ様 didnt look up words he didnt know he just put them in notepad for later cause its all about the flash cards not the readin
>>20529385
w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiPOt6LxqBo
Check this out if you want a decent nihongo listening practice while also getting autism from the pig noises they use to dumb the children down

>>20529322
They use good, rikai-like extensions instead of that buggy abandonware.

>>20529512
Oh wow, you're right, rikaikun has 170k users on chrome. I've never had any issues with yomichan though, what are you referring to?

2019 will be the year I perfect the ancient craft of 日本語
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GDrVt3c5S0

>>20529543
>I've never had any issues with yomichan though, what are you referring to?
I dislike the general interface, but there are also serious bugs like this one which was reported the best part of a year ago and remains unfixed:
https://github.com/FooSoft/yomichan/issues/118
(Some other pop-up dictionaries are also effected by this to some extent. I'm not sure about Rikaikun, but RikaiRebuilt I know has this bug. Both RikaiChamp and Nazeka are free from deconjugation errors though, with Nazeka having the best deconjugation ability of any extension.)

Yomichan's dev hasn't fixed any bugs or even issued any updates for the program in over a year now. He doesn't even bother responding to bug reports so it feels like he's given up on maintaining it and it's unlikely that this and other problems will ever be fixed. RikaiRebuilt seems to be in a similar position where, while the dev hasn't vanished and abandoned the program, he doesn't seem to be making any progress on tackling the various bugs it suffers from.

>>20529692
What is the best extension for chrome if you want anki integration, i'm getting annoyed by yomichan

>>20528633
Thanks. Personally I think it works on mobile games the best, since the dialog is generally inside a box that's easy to clean up.

>>20529309
Unfortunately, this kind of app is actually impossible to create on iOS, unless Apple makes changes to iOS itself. There is no API that allows apps to draw on top of other apps in iOS currently, so you'll always have to switch to another app.

Hi, how does this sentence become "The doctor is here to check you out."? The の particle is throwing me off since I always think of it as the possession particle.

>>20530100
都合がつく, 都合が付く (つごうがつく): to be possible (in terms of time, money, etc.), to be able (to do).
This is the possession particle here, more or less

>tfw you read your first hiragana word

>>20530150
>few days of practicing
>days

brainlet detected

>>20530128
The sentence made sense to me when 都合 was read as "condition", since that's what the doctor's there for. I don't understand 都合がつく read as "to be possible (in terms of time, money, etc.) / to be able (to do)".

>>20530150
>tfw you realize that despite being a cesspool of dekinais, /djt/ is the harvard of online japanese language learning communities
Literally 50 retards are praising this guy for reading (and not understanding mind you) a single word.

>>20530150
>あけおめ
year of studying here and I didn't know that word

>>20528139
Admittedly, your problem is worse. The faster you get, the harder it is to make meaningful gains. An hour per manga page can be sliced down to thirty minutes a manga page in a week or less depending on the learner, and doing so has fairly concrete steps - looking up unknown words and kanji. But two minutes per LN page is a very low time for a lot of text (assuming a fullish page), and indicates familiarity with every word/kanji already. Getting that down to one minute will take a lot of time and there's no concrete steps for it, you just have to read more and more and more and more until eventually you just naturally get faster. That's a lot harder and will take a lot longer.

If I might offer a little advice, try not to focus on "speedreading". In many ways, speedreading is basically skimming, and it will hurt you both in the sense you comprehend less of the text and in the sense that you actually won't get faster at reading since you're not getting used to processing the text faster, you're getting used to skipping chunks of the sentence. I can understand the urge to get faster but it'll be better if you just read normally, process everything, and let your experience build. At the very least, 2 minutes per page is a good milestone in that you can now read 1 book a day if given enough time. If you stick to reading you'll see exponential gains, I think.

(Judging by the LNs I've read, I read about a page per minute (6 hoursish for a 300-some page book).

>>20530221
you probably know 明けましておめでとうございます

>>20530249
I heard this one before wouldn't know how to respond it if someone asked me "how do you say happy new year in japanese"

>>20530277
to be fair, your production is naturally gonna lag behind your recognition ability after a year of studying

You think more people will get hooked on this bait? 2 replies so far in 50 minutes

>>20530439
It's a bit too obvious but these people are fucking braindead so I wouldn't put anything past them

>>20527963
plebbitors don't say that though, they deny that factors like IQ and age can make any meaningful difference in how well you can learn a language

>>20529872
Your only other option on Chrome with Anki integration is RikaiRebuilt, I think.

>>20530248
>>20528139
>obsessing about your reading speed
Way to kill a fun of reading compelling content. Anki is specifically useful to sate the autistic hunger for tangible metrics, why do you need to turn the whole of language learning into a dick-waving contest?

>>20531188
People like to be good at things they enjoy, is that so hard to comprehend?

get good 1st then talk

>>20531188
I'm not obsessing, I was just talking about it with him.

remember to learn pitch accent before you're too old to be able to.

dont fuck around with "pitch accent" and sidetrack from just learning nihongo until u understand why articulating things a certain way matters intuitively in nihongo