/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Merry Christmas, everyone. Fuck you, Jamal.

>>20469312
>i aint gonna make the thread
why did you lie to me father

the number 69 was a pretty big factor in my choice

imagine spending christmas( eve) with jamal in /djt/.

id rather have u here than on the streets slangin rocks

>>20478635
to memorize the vocabulary? wtf don't you get?

>>20479909
>memorize the vocabulary
chill and read

>>20479886
You didn't have to outright say it. I already feel sad enough.

>>20479891
maybe id want to be here if you were honest that you cared instead of actin hard nine times outta ten

reality aint cushy bro

u gotta https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Gcexrwirk#t=10

It's weird how just sitting around reading japanese books you start to hear more spoken words too. I'm also practicing speaking a few hours a day too and I disagree on Krashen that it doesn't help. You are memorizing and melding what you say into your lexicon of comprehension. I mean you shouldn't make it a focus or anything but it helps in a few areas.

i forgive you on account of that banger

its not weird unless youre one of those redditards that conflates decoding ability with comprehension ability the latter of which is the one that does most of the gatekeeping unless youre listening to some okinawan oibore or whatever

speaking is fine as long as you know youre doing it right

oh and that another thing speaking itself doesnt do shit remembering and regurgitating correct phrases and sentences is what helps sculpt out your intuition you dont really need to do the former to reap the benefits of the latter

>>20480058
I pause jdramas and try to mimic them mostly. Dogens recommended technique.

well we all know where thats gonna get you

https://streamable.com/be017

does djt put pitch accent on their flashcards?

>>20480071
recommended technique for improving your pronunciation not for learning nihongo
he specifically says he held off on getting better at nihongo because he was afraid of permanently crippling his pitch accent
>>20480081
if youre already copyin from a proper jisho no reason to remove it

I'm actually watching a Krashen interview right now and he said "conscious learning isn't bad, but it's more limited, it's hard to use"

>>20480098
he says that in every talk doesnt he

definitely

perfect pitch accent is very important when you go hunting in the wild, it will allow you to collect more sugois

>>20480095
Yea but while I'm repeating lines of shows I'm memorizing any unfamiliar vocab I don't know, at least a little. It's not a super effective memorization tool but it helps.

of course conscious learning is less desirable

because what you consciously learn has to now go through effectively a filter to have any chance of becoming intuitive knowledge

sometimes that works out but its mostly inefficient to the alternative of skipping that step entirely

thus watch your 10000 hours of eng subs scrubs

krashen more like crashin my ass cheeks into his dumb unscientific face

krashner guy is better

krashen bandicoot

**** vs japan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCdmjgvQZQQ#t=30

Is there a good way to scan kanji while reading manga on Tachiyomi?

first of all _____ ____ _______

second of all kanjifriend

what's the point of being really good at Japanese if you're balding at 23 let's be real guys

you just know he'd trade it all for a strong hairline

>>20480165
the fuck man

>>20480189
idk if it's easy but try dragging images into google drive so all the text on screen gets transcribed

id give sakura the stinkface but im afraid id end up with bugs in my ass lol

what are some good 2chan boards? also how do I find them

>>20480095
>permanently crippling
i honestly don't want to learn from people who think like this

>>20480332
good call you might make it

I mined 70 words from 100 pages of yotsuba today, am I doing it right?

nope if youre mining youre gonna get black lung and die from aids

>>20480357
ye if you read 100 pages a day, yotsuba will be easy soon enough

>>20480378
I thought that only happened if I smelled your breath

>>20480325
futaba is pretty much dead lmao

>>20480392
is there anywhere else to go then?

>>20480390
why the fuck you smellin my breath get the fuck back you dont know me like that

what does ないるず　mean?

>>20480404
are you pulling my leg

>>20480404
You're reading it wrong it's なーーーーいーーーーるーーーーずーーーー

>>20480404

oh it's zuruina backwards

oh its zuruina forwards

>>20480418
縦書き・縦書き・縦書き・縦書き

i am still trying to find out what the sa at the end of a sentence means

ずるいものさ

>>20480401
2channel unless your ip's blocked, you can use tor.

you could google it

>>20480444
blasphemy

sorry meant to say you could duck duck go it

>>20480434
unfairness

no i didnt you can google anywhere you can google with bing if you want to tomodati

sorry i meant to say tomodachi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z956iXewcpk
Based Wink

>tomodachi
lets all laugh at this faggot

yeah that ones true sorry

sorry i meant to say tomodazi

>>20480443
Can you post some links to some good boards pls? I can't figure out how to navigate the site

>>20480477
How about you get some interests and browse the boards related to them? There are hundreds upon hundreds.

>>20480505
But most of them seem dead

ホワイトクリスマスですか

>>20480552

>>20480552
something something replaying wa2

santas not azn

then explain that picture?

its a white guy squinting

>>20480592
ikeman wearing santa gear and facial hairs

Does someone have an html script to add to light novel html files to make them not look like a wall of black text on a white background?

>>20480669
Why? That's the way everything should be.

>>20480669
the fuck am I reading?

>>20479886
What a time to be alive.

>>20480709
>>20480700
I once saw a script that made it so the text is all centered, less straining colors for the text and background, and it remembers your position in the file even if you close it. That's how things should be.

>>20480669
Just open them with less and tweak the theme of your terminal emulator.

>>20480723
You can just use css to change the colors if you really care that much. The rest sounds like bloat.

>>20480731
>centering left-aligned text via margins
>bloat
found the 16 year old hacker wannabe

>>20480723
>remembers your position in the file
That sounds like some js cancer, the rest is html tags lmao, read up w3school or something.

you know whats bloated
furigana
kanji
hiragana
fullwidth text
why arent we usin jis x 0201 like the good old days

body{
margin-left: auto;
margin-right: auto;
max-width: 1100px;
background-color: #080808;
color: #DDD;
}

>#DDD
lo l

remember to also set the font to something you like and that is jis2004

Sometimes I'm just in awe of these people. Who wants to read compelling content, just read random shitters social media instead.

>>20480804
>reddit
But god help me if I ever have to sit through thousands of vapid social media posts.

>>20480804
>Tweets you can turn into Anki cards
oh no i cant breathe
laughins gonna be the death of me

imagine having cat paradise installed on literally anything

imagine reading this overhyped trash when you can read actually good VNs

imagine reading VNs

imagine reading

Imagine all the people

>>20480883
I know right? This is why I look at manga exclusively.

what vns on sale right now should i buy

if you don't consume at least ten voiceroid let's play series per day you can't learn Japanese

you cant learn japanese period, it's literally impossible

>>20480944
Monobeno

>>20480964
no lolis pls

>>20480969
It's non-h on Steam anyway

you play that shit and youll end up like imouto
at least youll be more fluent than everyone else in djt though

monobono is diseased game for diseased boys

if you jerk off to animated analogues for prepubescent children you need to kill yourself, plain and simple

loli is a state of mind and body not a number also drawings aint children lol

it's not pedophilic if i self insert as the little girl

look up the word analogue you mong

how the fuck are digital pixels analogue lol

>>20481082
that might actually be worse

>>20481072
simple and plain
>>20481082
its somethin alright
>>20481089
shit

What does this have to do with japanese?

if you dont understand loli then your heart is not ready to accept japanese

can somebody please tell me some good, non loli, non gay, ecchi or not ecchi i dont give a fuck VN's

i don't just understand Loli i am the Loli

/DJT/ worst posters list

>1. Jamal
>2. All the other lowercase shitters that copy his shitposting format
>3. Replies-to-every-comment-in-the-thread-poster
>4. Hiragana salad-kun
>5. Me

>>20481116
You forgot me

>>20481116
>copy his shitposting format
does anyone have fuckin eyes
thanks for mentioning me twice and hiragana salad has a name

If you’re not a pedophile why are you even learning Japanese

>>20481132
It's a fun hobby that kills a few hours of my day

>>20481132
I'm more of an ephebophile. Japs are really good at drawing 16 year old with huge tits and thick legs.

>>20481125
Isn't hiragana salad a name?

>>20481165
no not the concept the poster theyre called imouto

Going to Japan in July for six months to study Japanese. Host family or dormitory, lads? I'm more inclined towards the former but would like to hear some experiences first. This limited internet on the dormitory is going to kill me.

>>20481171
imouto is a concept as well.

>>20481125
>does anyone have fuckin eyes
All you faggots post nonsense in lower case with no punctuation while not including the post number you are replying to

>>20481182
and yet its easy to distinguish

why does literally every single anime have to start with their first day in 高校? is that really the peak of the average japanese persons life

not including the post number ur replying to really pisses off esls

keep doing it

it also ruins that serotonin boost from seein that nice you and thinkin yea they def talkin to me

since no one can tell lowercase posters apart i should start doublespacin

physically hurts to do this though

>>20481200
That's true for anybody on earth who has ever went to school.

>>20481180
Where will you be staying? I'll be in Tokyo starting from April and also staying for six months.

>>20480552
いいえ、あたしの国のクリスマスは晴れです。

>>20481215
if u really wanna do it right just feed all my posts into a machine learning ai

>>20481273
>Where will you be staying?
I don't now. That's what I wanted to ask you guys. I applied for Intercultural Institute in Akihabara/Tokyo. The dorm they have a partnership with is called Global Life Higashi Jujo Dormitory and it looks pretty good aside from the internet limit shit. Problem is: I'm almost 30 years old but have never lived a single day on my own. I don't know how to cook or do laundry. A host family seems to remedy this, but it also much more expensive and they also live extremely far from the school most of the time so I don't know what to tell the agency.

lmao dont go to japan if youre a useless sack in your own country PELAse

>>20481333
id consider it but im not gatherin all your posts myself you shoulda put em in a text file

I'm afraid lower-case person is right. If you can't figure out how to cook or do laundry you won't survive in Japan for everything.

>>20481340
Ask in the Japan general on /trv/

>>20481361
>>>/trv/1512894 here, can you answer my question now please?

no youll survive in japan it will just be really ugly for any person that has to ever see or interact with you

like please just dont do it ask your mom to go with you so she can keep coddling you while oyu live the japanese dream

>>20481352
i like suckin my own dick but not that much

>>20481401
I specifically said to ask in the Japan general, as in the thread where all discussion about Japan goes on and where you'll most likely get a good response. Jesus, are you a fucking moron or something?

Why does sand kanji contain water?
沙

he just said he can't do laundry of course he's a moron

>>20481419
it's on the beach.

>>20481419
Original meaning 本义: Meaning sand, as found in a creek.
English senses 英语理解: sand, gravel, pebbles; granulated

>>20481419
In the desert there’s lots of sand but few water

>>20481439
based rtkid.

imagine davido at the coin laundry washing his evangelion shirt while buff ass ninjas be there gettin they gtl on lol

Do people that do RTK have literal mental deficiencies? Like nigga just learn kanji like a normal person lmao

i thought japs loved the whites
why did davido-kun get bullied?

You motherfuckers aren't even properly grateful to jamal, who timestamps the rap videos he posts to the start of the song instead of making you sit through the introductions. He's just trying to get the nihongo in your brain as fast as possible, and you all treat him like he's a jerk. Well, I think YOU'RE the jerks and you should show some more christmas cheer and get along better!

>>20481473
Only good looking whites, everybody likes those.

holy shit im gonna cry thank u for noticing and appreciating my ninja

>>20481473
it was a lie

>>20481477
how embarrassing

>>20481483
The only embarrassing thing in this thread is people being non-genuine and non-cool. Don't be non-cool and non-genuine. Quit interacting with people through ten layers of irony! We're not gonna hurt you we just want to love each other here be cool dude

>>20481486
i wasn't being ironic. both your posts are embarrassing

i wanna drink egg nog with homeboy

*clacks nog glass against computer screen*

>>20481491
That isn't the part of my post you should've honed in on, then, huh?

>The word "meidoru" is a portmanteau of maid and idol.
Did you guys know that?

jamal getting his dick suckin lips out the second someone says something nice about him lmao

maids are aids unless its mahoro tyan

u just mad that u could never say somethin that id ever feel in my mune

btw nemu backwards is mune (high level visual gamer joke)

>>20481486
I'm genuinely a cunt. I'd wager most people here are.

Kinda mean for those performers to talk about davido right next to him in japanese when he barely speaks it

japanese tv is the most savage shit idk how they get away with it

>>20481534
by savage you mean restricted? if so, saying 'how they get away with it' makes sense

>>20481501
shit i dont have nog i dun fucked

nah dude they need to get some affirmative action in nippon shits unruly

do 雪崩 and 涎 come from the same root

>>20481640
i dont know

>>20481686
懐かしみ

>>20481640
https://s.webry.info/sp/mobility-8074.at.webry.info/201802/article_46.html
http://gogen-allguide.com/yo/yodare.html

There are various theories for the origin of the な and よ parts, but everyone seems to agree they both incorporate 垂れる

I wanna hear a 日本人 say "tinted tears tilling turnips" and physically bully them until they get it right.

>>20481757
Thanks！ it said nothing about that on the english wiktionary page, but these japanese ones are fairly readable

>>20481765
i wanna gf

i wanna dangle from a noose till i never wake up again

i want that guy to come back and say nice shit about me that shit was heartfelt and made me moist

How often do you guys happen to mine something you assume will be useless and then it shows up left and right? I mined 断末魔 and it's showed up in 5 different sources just this month and I was sure I'd regret it.

how many here are going to be クリぼっち

I sometimes wonder if it's more efficient to stop mining and just read

>>20481844
Reps only take like 15 minutes at most for me so even if the gains from flashcards are minimal it's still worth it for me cause it's not really taking time from reading off my day

>>20481830
this happens to me especially with the kanji versions of "usually written with kana alone" words. Shit like 淀み has been written with kanji in every single vn i've seen it in

I spend more time reading about how to learn Japanese than actually reading Japanese.

>>20481852
you still have to make the flashcards though

>>20481832
I'm never feeling ぼっち when I'm here with my friends!

just watch anime for fukks sake

>>20481868
Takes like 5 seconds with yomichan, any time i'd gain from not making them I waste on other things anyway.

>>20481856
hm it doesn't say usually kana in yomichan

>>20481899
huh I just figured that cause i've seen it with furigana in a few light novels. i thought they only put furigana on usually w/ kana words

I spend more time deleting bookmarks that I had bookmarked to procrastinate learning Japanese than learning Japanese

>>20481912
i spend more time deleting you

>>20481918
that's mean af wtf...

>there are people who literally need to think of visual aids to represent hiragana / katakana instead of learning them purely as they are for quicker uptake

>>20481925
i did this and then also rtk and i would bet a fair amount of money i'm better at japanese than you were/will be when you have/had studied the same amount of time

>>20481925
>>20481939
I find that writing out the character(s) is a lot more useful for memory retention. I tried doing memorization and then visualization, but then I found out that just writing the character while repeating the sound in my head and also vocalizing it goes a longer way. It's not the fastest method, but it works.

>>20479746
>#2069
Why did we skip #2068?
Although given the history with the OP picture I'm pretty sure of the answer already.

>>20481950
the fact there are people who post here that haven't even written one stroke in their life depresses me

>>20481954
i can take this as a complement right

>>20481965
stroke this

>>20481997
no you stroke this *unzips*

do i have to come out there and flop my dick and shit around

pipe down

how to actually start learning how to read japanese

step 0: set a consistent schedule to learn the language
step 0.5: know that you cannot make an english analogue for everything and doing so will result in failure
step 1: learn the ganas (make sure to emulate speech)
step 1.5: start with the core anki 2k/6k deck simultaneously (make sure to emulate speech)
step 2: if you can write every single character out without difficulty, you can move onto immersing yourself while keeping up with anki (make sure to emulate speech)
step 2.5: learn the fucking grammar
step 3: start reading elementary school textbooks for japanese students (make sure to emulate speech)
step 3.5: start reading elementary school manga (make sure to emulate speech)
step 4: start listening to newscasts or other sources of japanese that are audible (make sure to emulate speech)
step 4.5: find a japanese buddy to talk to or go find a club (you can stop emulating now)
step 5: realize you've spent 2 - 4 years learning the language and you're at the top of the mountain, proceed to shekel every dime from EOPs

your guide is shit and you're retarded

>>20482012

is that a nihongo guide or just a bullet list of ways that youre retarded lol

shut it down they know

>step 2.5: learn the fucking grammar

LOL

imagine spending christmas eve shitposting in this thread. imagine

the lack of willpower within these threads is astonishing, truly

i don't need to imagine

its not xmas yet im still safe

he's not wrong you know

who wouldnt want to have the 2069th thread twice btw

how to actually start learning how to read japanese (fixed)

step 0: set a consistent schedule to learn the language
step 0.5: know that you cannot make an english analogue for everything and doing so will result in failure
step 1: fail because you have no willpower

Hello, I'd like to read some good manga of which all volumes are available in proper quality, no shitty barely readably scans. Any recommendations?

you can't learn japanese

how 2 nihongo go go

step alpha and omega

get it out

>>20482083
that's cool and all but manga isn't reading

>>20482012
>if you can write every single character out without difficulty, you can move onto
wank
you dont need mastery and you will get better at reading by reading this includes your ganas
if youre already afeared a movin on without perfection this early youre settin a bad example for yourself
>step 2.5: learn the fucking grammar
>step 3: start reading elementary school textbooks for japanese students (make sure to emulate speech)
>step 3.5: start reading elementary school manga (make sure to emulate speech)
>step 4: start listening to newscasts or other sources of japanese that are audible (make sure to emulate speech)
>step 4.5: find a japanese buddy to talk to or go find a club (you can stop emulating now)
none of this shit is cc

>"Hey son, everyone's waiting downstairs for Christmas dinner!"

>>20482083
try なると

>>20482012
im gonna need to see ur muramasa vid before i can determine if u know what ur talkin about

It's open!
http://hvdb.me/Account/Skygazer
OwO

>>20482089
I know you are thinking you are very funny for repeating the same line for the millionth time but I think you are a complete and utter idiot. I bet you were bullied in school and never managed to fit in with anyone, just because of how autistic you are and how uncomfortable you make everyone with your inability to read the mood. I just came by after like half a year of not frequenting the thread and posted without reading any other post and man, now that I'm looking it really has become worse. It's really something seeing something get worse when you thought the worst has been reached. I'll be taking my leave again as I have absolutely nothing to gain from interacting with your idiocy. Go ahead and jerk yourself off for making everyone with the slightest bit of sense fuck off from here, after all what greater joy is there than to declare the world your shitting stall and ruining things for everyone else? Are the endorphins flowing yet? You getting an orgasm from someone telling you what a fucker you are? Really though, who the hell are you? You should be ashamed of the miserable piece of shit you are. Why don't you spend time learning Japanese instead of spraying your feces around like an animal? And no, I know you don't know any Japanese. If the world was just we'd have mods permanently banning you every time you posted. Wallow in incompetency eternally you poor little man. I'm out.

>>20482104
No, I don't think so.

>>20482012
>learn the fucking grammar
way ahead of you. when i finish dojg and vncore i think i'll be almost fluent

i can't believe memes make people escalate this quickly

>>20482098
desu memorizing those 100~ characters first and foremost is the smart thing to do since you can figure out everything else verbally with the language without trudging through slowly, plus reading after helps with memorizing the sets

this might piss some people off in the thread but i learned about five every night and did nothing but write out the character, say it and drew it down until it looked right. then the next morning i did a quick review of what i remembered from the previous night by writing out what i remembered. then after i was done with the day, i'd study another set of 5 according to vocal / consonant groups, repeat by adding in the sounds i already knew

this only took a bit more than half a month to do and while i did occasionally forget a character now and then when i got to tackling actual books, it does provide a good base to ease people into the learning the language and working on it without risk of burnout.

>>20482118
fuck yes, I heard about that site recently and I finally got in
thanks anon

>>20482181
i learned ganas mega shitty slow and still fucked up
then i just started readin and i stopped fuckin up right quick
i didnt say jump into it blind just dont fuckin stick to grindin the ganas for an unnecessary amount of time
maybe you did it so fuckin slow because of the same mistake

>>20482168
that's really cool but all i want to tell you is that i hope you have a merry christmas and that i didn't read all that shit

>異論反論抗議質問口応えは認めない。
sometimes i see nouns listed with little dots between them but every now and then i see them all sloshed together like this and it kinda stresses me out just looking at it. thanks for reading

remembering the kana is all you really need to learn before you dive into books & grammar, make sure you have a sound reference on hand to get it right tho

>Need to take breaks every 50 or so anki reps as my head starts hurting and I hate myself
I'm never going to make it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFti8QE7t7Q

>>20482237
if your head starts to hurt that means the neuroplasticity in your brain is returning and making new connections. use it as fuel for your journey in mastering a new language

Health young anon went to learn Japanese so he could read his porno, gets pumped with socializing, found a girlfriend - NORMALFAG. Many such cases!

who else /unabletotrilltheirtongue/ here

>>20482181
i don't think learning to write them can really hurt since it'd only take like a few days to start getting that down, especially if you can already instantly recognize them while reading. since that's the case you might as well do it. but it's not necessary at all. i still can't write most of the kana and it doesn't hinder me. only the fact i don't know japanese hinders me.

>>20482310
i mentioned this before but this is probably an IQ related thing because i figured out how to trill when i was a little kid just goofing around and mocking gooks and spics. it's really easy man. come on.

>>20482012
You can replace all of this with just watching anime

>>20482012
Here's the real way:
Learn kana
Skim tk and do core for idk whenever you feel like stopping just read because having 2k mature cards isn't gonna grant you magical reading power
Read read read, don't fret over every word and use that energy to learn grammar instead. Not knowing words is annoying but not knowing grammar is painful
>>20482175
lmao

>>20482352
what are you laughing at punk? out with it.

>>20482358
you could be reading and using dojg as reference rather than straight up memorizing grammar

Got gifted Rosetta.stone for Japanese. Is it worth keeping?

>>20482376
hm bore myself to tears for hours every day wading through infinite garbage to get to the most important fundamental grammar points that will make text more comprehensible or spend literally - no exaggeration - 5-10 minutes reviewing and learning the most essential grammar points in anki.

ah tough choice but i'm gonna go with anki, and then start reading when i've finished the deck.

>>20482391
It might help but you'll still be shit at grammar after you do that deck (as someone who did it). You can only acquire grammar through massive input.

>>20482391
have you tried some of that cc the kids have been talkin about

>>20482337
that's muscle memory retard, not IQ. you don't even need to trill your tongue to speak japanese, you just can't do those overdramatic sentences when you try to say something like RUUURURURURRSSS

The people with the lowest IQ are the ones that can't differentiate between a tap and a trill.

>>20482391
graded readers and compelling content get to it

>he doesn't trill every r
not gonna make it broseph

holy fuck that anon was right about not being able to recognize some words when they are written in only kana. it feels so obvious after I scan it.

yall keep it trill now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0EmTP7QGcM#t=120

so does everyone who you have a conversation with visibly cringe whenever you have to say ろ

>もはや気持ち悪いわ
>1: already
>2: no longer
how am i supposed to know whether she already thinks hes gross, or no longer thinks hes gross? "more context" would just be guessing based on other shit and if someone said this to me i wouldn't know how to react.

>>20482414
why could i do it when i was a kid but some presumably 18+ year old can't? it's definitely IQ. if you're smart you'll figure it out, and very quickly. mash the tip of your tongue up against the roof of your mouth and randomly blow air while shifting your tongue's position and you'll find the spot quickly.

y'all bitches need to respect furigana

>>20482440
its the same reason 18+ year olds cant learn a fuckin language
kids aint fraida nothin
adults cant trust their own brains to function and think they need their hand held to learn anythin
embrace your brain and your inner child and you can learn nearly anythin
you dont call spanish kids smart for figurin it out now do ya

>>20482448
no but that's because spanish kids are immersed in an environment where it's more important and they need to practice more. me? that shit wasn't important at all and it was near instant. ez.

>>20482439
https://kotobank.jp/word/最早-646511

>>20482458
最 is usually read さい and seems to have a connotation of "very much" or "to the limit", and yet here it's read も? that's it, fuck this dumbass language. cya guys i'm outta here.

>>20482440
what the fuck i don't even know what to say but all the guides on youtube failed me and then you come along and make me feel like the biggest retard of all

thanks anon

>>20482457
you were exposed to it you were curious and you werent afraid of bein judged or failin
doesnt make you a fuckin genius thats how its supposed to go
def think adults failin to figure it out is learned behavior theyre afraid to just fuck around and try to figure it out

if ya willy can't get hard to 2D you'll never make it

>IQ!
>IQ
>IQ?
>IQ!
頭脳の明晰さを立証しようという考えがもう低能ね

What the fuck does a trill even sound like?

Anyway I'm dumber than shit and can't understand Japanese at all. I think I'm just gonna lay down and die. Murry Yiffmas, everyone.

>>20482544
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J548XM9-jKU

>>20482439
Wait till you see じゃない

>>20482567
still absolutely blows my mind that people praised this dumpster fire
>SEX XD!!!

>>20482581
no women allowed in djt

it was deeply subversive im sorry you couldnt understand it

>>20482581
my ninja

>>20482586
not a woman just a homo which allows my [evil eye] to pierce the veil of shit that's blinding you baka baka baka baka bakas

>>20482572
desu it's not that bad

>>20482593
the fact that you think theres anything to see through shows just how blind you are stay female

>>20482593
i dont see the relation you dont have to have a rock hard erection to enjoy it

>>20482600
it isn't that there's anything to see through, it's that i can see shit and know that it's shit. tho it was wrong for me to berate flies for liking it i guess lmao

>>20482544
it's when you roll your tongue against the alveolar ridge when saying anything with an r. it's absolutely useless for japanese unless you want to sound like 暴走族

>>20482544
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTRiU6f46NI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVjk9firE9s

>>20482611
i love that youre so brain dead you think anything in my posts even implied i liked it typical woman

>>20482623
if you didn't like it, that's fine, but i don't see any part of my post where i implied that you did. maybe you really are a fly?

>>20482639
>pierce the veil of shit that's blinding you baka baka baka baka bakas
>tho it was wrong for me to berate flies for liking it i guess lmao

panty and stocking is just 1 more shit anime in the long list

watch some go nagai shit u scrubs

monster girl encyclopedia is unironically a good way to practice your reading

luffy's gear 4th looks cool

zombina chan..

>tfw an amateur sugoi farmer but still probably get mogged by everyone ITT

>>20482675
>"Wow, anon, how did you get so good at reading Japanese?"
>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDxTpEID3sM&t=27m53s

What program is he using? It sounds like "saikai" but I can't find it.

>>20482087
When in doubt whip it out
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i4C3f501PS4

>>20482728
its gonna be like that either way unless youre kaufmann

>>20482744
that dude is really, really interested in history and politics

Please help, I'm fucking stupid and can't figure out what this kanji is because of how stylized it is (also because I'm bad at picking out radicals in general).

>>20482779
>When he couldn't help but make videos about his disliking of Trump during elections
wew

>>20482728
Just say books
I hope everyone else has stacks of LNs and so on in their room

>>20482785
そのもじ

きゅうかなでもでてきたことない

あたしはみたことない

>>20482785
>>20482872
もしかしたら

たいわんのまえのだいとうりょうの李登輝の

輝の字のたいわんごかもしれない

わかんないけど

>kanji
>"i can somewhat comprehend this sentence"
>kana
>"wtf is going on"

>>20482905
That indicates a lack of experience reading and with the language in general, reminder that Japanese people can fluidly read pure-kana works with no issue, basically, git gud

>>20482785
doesnt even look like kanji whats the context

>>20482910
i know it's really bad i wasn't bragging

>>20482905
How did you even get by early level stuff? Some manga and LNs are purposely designed to be able to be read with hardly any kanji knowledge. Either way, you can easily make sense of it if you read it out loud.

>>20482439
how about by the context you dumb, probably the first one.

>>20482914
Character's name for a fan-design, the name gimmicks are always kanji indicating motif plus "鬼" which means "Demon" in this context. Like 響鬼 or 轟鬼.

>>20482905
let me guess, you started reading silently

So "i" sometimes is silent but how do you pronounce shiki as in 儀式 or 公式?
Sheek or shki?

>>20482922
>How did you even get by early level stuff?
well it's not like i'm competent regardless. but kanji is a lot easier to me than kana. kana is just a mashup to me. often times i'll recall a word's meaning and reading when i see it in kanji but i will just totally blank on meaning if i see it in kana.
>>20482931
i force myself to voice it in my head or out loud actually. but i need to listen more.

>>20482945
Are you aware of on'yomi and kun'yomi to begin with?

Progress report:
Indeed I’ve reduced the tools I need to google, kenkyusha v5, and Daiweeb.
I tried reading LNs first, but it was less fun for reasons that anime aren’t affected by, I made the switch.
With anime I tried a couple things, the first set of methods were watching leisurely with no subs, with j subs only, with both je subs. The clear winner was je subs, it was more fun, the problem was that I often didn’t know when a sub was capturing nuance or when it was localizing poorly, I couldn’t come up with a way to guess which it was long lines containing a lot of unknown words and wound up figuring that the best heuristic is to always assume it was localizing poorly.
The second set of methods were watching scene by scene. Because this was a more interactive method I deciddd to use the popup dictionary, which was far superior to English subs. The methods this time were study a scene then rewatch it, or watch a scene with no subs first then study it. Studying if it first was the absolute best winner. Watching it without subs was adequately satisfying which made actively studying it again a nuisance. On the other hand, studying a scene first then watching it after was extremely satisfying. The mood is the same across a scene so you can basically guess what the characters would be saying, this makes the dictionary usage easier as well as adds a thin layer of intuition. The real treat is after, when you can tell what a character is saying. It doesn’t come from real comprehension, but it does mimic it, and it feels really really really good so I think this may be the method I stick with.
Also, I tried reducing the workload even more by just using a popup dictionary as I go, then rewatch the entire episode without subs, but for me it missed the sweet spot, not enough immediate reward for all that deliberate, active translation, there was less retained fake-comprehension, and rewatching a full episode seemed to get boring 10-15 minutes into it. Gonna continue that scene method for a while and see how it goes. I’ll probably do the j-cat in a few days then again after some time to see how effective this actually is.

Tl;dr:
Used daiweeb and kenkyusha v5 to translate line-by-line for a scene, google anything not explained by the dictionary then rewatch the scene without any subs, was extremely epic.

>>20482933
ぎしき. I'm not sure what dialect you're hearing the silent 'i' in, but it's not standard.

>>20482949
the concept? yea. but i don't pay any attention to which readings are kun or on.

>>20482962
Hmm you are saying "i" is all pronounced out loud in ぎしき・儀式?
I guess people said it fast and I thought there is a silent i

What's the difference between する and やる? I think the latter is more for "Do (you)" and the former is more "(I have) to do" but i'm not sure.

>>20482962
There are no silent sounds, your ears just aren't trained enough to hear it. Yes even the う in です is pronounced.

>>20482991
Use yaru in sentences where you’d use ore

>>20482968
Oh, I see the confusion. It's a very subtle "i" sound to begin with due to the successive き. Either way, you could wing it as "shki" since that implies an implicit bridge between the consonants.

https://forvo.com/word/%E5%85%AC%E5%BC%8F/

You can best hear it in the first and last voice.

>>20482995
That's what I was assuming to begin with.

>>20483005
>It's a very subtle "i" sound to begin with due to the successive き.
That explains a lot, thanks!

>>20483001
Why?

>>20483019
Because it’s the manly version of suru

Are brackets basically Japanese quotation marks?

>>20482995
desu that's not a great example as that can still literally be heard without the unvoiced う in certain dialects

>>20483033
Yep, they also act as parentheses. Catch-all.

>>20482995
and then there's this retard, learn how morae work

>>20482995
Unless you're an elderly person or trying to be as feminine and cutesy as possible, the う is silent.

>>20482410
I actually agree with everything in this post but given the 5 hours total I've spent on it in under 3 months which equates to 28-30 seconds average per grammar point I don't think I would have done much better by just reading first and then doing dojg look-ups.

Is an hour a day a decent amount to dedicate into learning? 2 seems reasonable but also sounds like a fast way to get burned out.

>>20483102
the most important part is having fun with learning the language. if you're not having fun, then even 1 hour can feel like a chore. go into it with a positive mindset and you'll find yourself going over the time limit. work at a pace that's comfortable for you rather than strict time tables and if it's getting to be too much, then you can stop.

>>20483102
Why does that even matter? As long you practice even 15 minutes you are going to make progress. Unless you want to get there as fast as possible and the process of learning itself pisses you off, in that case why even bother?

how many of you only know the kanji by seeing it and couldn't be able to write it down?

>>20483118
The good news with this is that you can easily get over this by just writing the kanji out when you see it, practice it a few times, and then move on.

>>20483118
I always remember them for reading only and if for some reason I want to write it by hand, I learn the radicals and then I never forget it again.
For example, I didn't even know how to write 捩 but now I know it's hand+one+corpse+tree in that order and since I already vaguely knew it by memory, I can instantly tell if I happen to write it wrong anyway.

>>20483102
It takes about 3000 hours to reach fluency so as long as you have realistic expectations then yes

>>20483122
yeah but it seems like something even native japanese struggle with

>>20483134
>tree
Meant big
Not setting up a good example to begin with, but you get me

reading japanese vocab so far has been pretty straight forward but hearing it without any words on the screen is almost like a completely different language

>>20483137
It's just practice. Most Japanese people tend to shy away from infrequent kanji when sending messages in the first place for this very reason. An analogue might be like not being able to think out a complex word in English over something simpler, even though if you were to see it in a page, you'd know what the definition is. IE; you would describe something as awful, but you wouldn't necessarily use abominable as your first choice.

does 2ch have a daily english thread?

japan already is daily english thread
theyre better at english than we are at japanese though

>>20483149
This happens with every new language someone learns. It's why it's important to start listening early on so that once you become proficient, you're more comfortable with the language

>>20483102
That's like asking "Is a $20 a day enough to save up to buy a car." The more you do per day, the faster to get to milestones. You decide the rate, and you're right to be wary of burnout, but you still need to study about 1000 hours with regards to gather vocabulary, read Japanese novels for about 500 hours and watch about 2000 hours of Japanese shows.

Just aim for the first milestone of recognizing 2000 words when you read or hear them. You should be able to get there in 3 to 4 months at about 1 to 2 hours a day. That'll make the reading and watching Japanese portion more doable as you keep adding to the vocabulary.

>>20483184
grorious nihonjin brain bigger and smarter or engrish easy language?

>>20483197
he's shitposting, it's easier to learn japanese than it is for someone doing vice-versa. english has a lot of vocalizations that simply don't exist in japanese and even more incongruous spelling and phonetic rules. kana is far more intuitive than english's rape-baby language

>>20483197
English is easy as fuck. Japanese is a meme language that needs to separate itself from its chink ancestry like the Koreans did just so it isn't such a mess of a language.
t. ESL

>>20483205
>>20483207
I'm getting mixed signals here.
ESL too by the way

>>20483197
going from j to e is harder because theres a noticeable decline in compelling content

>>20483197
no you all got it wrong
most of them are shit at english
djt is just a shame to mankind

>>20483212
I did go from Spanish to English so that very well could've been the reason why I had no trouble learning the language, but one thing for sure is that learning English grammar isn't a confusing struggle like it is for Japanese.

>>20483197
English is hell on Earth for any Asian language that isn't Malay.

>>20483075
It's funny because you're the only one who thinks he's wrong. The "silent" sounds are still there, just in different degrees. It might be noticeable for your gaijin ears, it might not be, but it's always there.

>>20483228
That's because they're both Indo-European languages and share a lot of basic grammar rules, not to mention the same alphabet, with some slight tweaks.

>>20483167
http://awabi.2ch.sc/test/read.cgi/english/1541323185/

Is it me or are 98% of Anki decks garbage? The core decks are good but then you get these makeshift ones where a random word is added with no context while having 4 different meanings. Most of the decks on there are like this.

>>20483241
it's unvoiced retard, you're just breathing it out to match the beat

don't tell me you actually pronounce a subtle "う"

>>20483243
True, but you also have to admit Japanese grammar is a bitch.

>>20483253
"It's not pronounced"
Then tell me why Japanese can't pronounce a word correctly that ends in an "S". They pronounce it, you're just a listening dekinai and can't hear it.

>>20483256
bad argument
why dont they reduce it as much

>>20483256
https://forvo.com/word/itadakimasu/

jesus christ you're a dense bastard aren't you, do you happen to pronounce the 'p' in pneumonia too

Does anyone here know how to rip text from digital Kindle books? I would like to know the character count of a LN I have but naturally Kindle format is built to prevent anything like that.

>>20483259
>English does it in pneumonia so Japanese does it too
Ok, this is epic.
>He doesn't hear the distinct u sound in itadakimasu
I'm laughing so hard that you posted something thinking it proves you're right but it actually proves me right.

>>20483266
oh, you're just baiting, silly me

epic what a memer

ITT: dialects are fun

>>20483248
I'm 99% certain that guy obsessing over Inori Minase is a 4chan crossposter scumbag.

>>20483271
>Wow my untrained ears can't hear something but he says it's obvious, he must be trolling. It can't possibly be that I simply can't hear it yet.

If you replaced the す in itadakimasu with さ then "made the a silent" you would realize that you're wrong because then you would hear the difference, being the u and the a.

just wondering are you the guy who says the sound of ん never changes

>>20483296
no
I just sent a LINE message to my Japanese friend about this and he just spammed w's and said of course the u is there, it's written.

bad argument nihonjin also generally dont recognize that ん isnt always the same sound because its written the same

>>20483299
"Of course the E is there in write, it's written."

>>20483303
>Japanese is the same as English
>>20483302
>Bad argument, a native speaker who hears the language correctly is objectively inferior to my gaijin dekinai brain who's on mount stupid

i dont know if its more epic if this is epic trolling or epic delusion so im happy to continue engaging if you would like to say anything of substance

Here, I spend 10 seconds on google, clicked the first link, and highlighted the important parts so you Mt. Stupid dekinais can actually learn some Japanese for once instead of shitposting in threads.

>>20483317

you seem to have poor reading comprehension
i said your arguments are bad

Bitch, post a video of your choice and I will fucking go into audacity and show you that the u is pronounced as per >>20483327

If you refuse to do this then you're just being a bitch that's afraid of being wrong. I am literally giving you the best possible way to settle this, a completely objective method that requires nothing from you but posting a video of your choice.

Fellas, let's not argue on a lovely Christmas day. Have a cold one.

other guy might be interested i just wanted you to know everything youve said up until now gave me second hand embarrasment
i have no interest in the actual claim and will happily say i am unsure of the truth of it

>>20483360
The only thing that should be embarrassing you is the people who said that the "u" sound isn't there because it's "unvoiced", not even aware of the fact that unvoiced does not mean absent. You should be embarrassed that they're so sure of themselves and their untrained ears that they not only refuse to listen to the reason of someone in DJT, but the reason of others on the internet with more experience than them, including a native. You should be embarrassed of the people leaning back on fallacies such as "bad argument, disregarded". And most importantly, you should be embarrassed at yourself for not being embarrassed at any of that but instead choosing to be embarrassed at the guy giving actual evidences.

>15 minutes later and guy who was on my ass earlier still hasn't posted a single video to get proven wrong on
Sorry but I have other things to do. I knew you'd bitch and ditch but I wanted to give it a fair amount of time before I left to study so you wouldn't be able to try and say I ran. I'll run a quick search through the thread tomorrow if it hasn't 404'd yet.

Is learning radicals worth it or is it just more busywork?

>>20483368
bad arguments make true statements harder to believe
the most evidence youve given is a blog post everything else was negative evidence
you should consider that valuable information for the future instead of being so overeager to act like a child
im quite aware of the concept of an unvoiced vowel but dont know what to make of it because i dont into phonetics
if you ask me quoting wikipedia or blog posts is mount stupid but from my position to agree or disagree with the distinction between devoicing and dropping vowels and whether vowels are always devoiced or can be dropped would be dishonest
you need to pipe down with your overconfidence and think through your statements more carefully if you want to convince more people in the future

>>20483381
>the most evidence youve given is a blog post everything else was negative evidence
I have also agreed to analyse any video that they wanted and they ran away. My "bad arguments" and lack of evidence is still infinitely more than they gave, i.e. they bitch about any evidence I gave. You do realize how immature and unskilled it is to complain about evidence and giving none yourself, right? But fuck it, you're clearly just as retarded as they are under the guise of trying to sound like the voice of reason (you're not).

But hey, I guess offering to let them post a video to show them objectively that the u is still there is "bad arguments" huh XD lmao.

Fucking idiot.

>>20483380
No point in learning things that may have no use to you yet. Just learn vocab, everything will naturally come together.

>>20483387
Thanks, I'll keep at it then!

>>20483390
Oh and grammar.

>>20483386
>You do realize how immature and unskilled it is to complain about evidence and giving none yourself, right?
apologies for criticizing your argumentation while remaining neutral on the claim
id be interested in what you intend to show via any of the forvo clips considering you seem to feel confident in differentiating elongated consonants from devoiced vowels in waveforms
but i dont expect to be thoroughly convinced for the reasons i have said
you are so bad at defending yourself that you could convince someone the earth is flat trying to explain its roundness
you can take from that what you will and do what you please

>>20483380
Useful.

Anyone else find it super hard to read without mouthing the words? I have to actively hold myself back and I feel my tongue almost move in my mouth if I do.
Probably look deranged while on the bus.

>>20483423
I'd be a lot more worried if you weren't mouthing the words. Establishing that verbal-reading connection in any language is important.

>>20483434
But it also takes longer to read that way

What does everyone do to practice japanese?
Me pic related

>>20483443
Porn of course

>>20483443
absolute unit anon

Recommend me a good eroge with no lolis.

i and u are sometimes WHISPERED between consonants and at the end of words
theyre always there and for fuck sakes dont use voiced and unvoiced when you dont know what those words means

Kanji was a mistake

you were a mistake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKcbFeHkkpc

>>20483617
It's annoying that I can instantly recognize who you are simply because you're that guy that never replies to anyone directly.

>that guy

i can guarantee there at least two but suggest there are more

when will uppercasers learn to distinguish posting styles by more than case

>>20483617
>this beta male can shitpost on youtube, live in japan without a job for ages, get a wife, and then come back home to a posh neighborhood with no need to ever lift a finger
>meanwhile it'll be years before I can even afford a plane trip and accommodation for a week-long trip

>>20483693
If it makes you feel better, he also has a $200/month patreon.

got carried away looking at papers turns out no one agrees on anything isnt that unusual
rather than get excited about a paper that happens to argue one way over the other though i wanted to bring some attention to a very small study that amused me and brings back the subject of japanese speakers inserting vowels where they do not belong in english
http://www.pallier.org/papers/Dupoux_ebuzo.pdf

>>20483731
would it be rude to flex on them by conversing with them in japanese and whenever an english word comes up, you pronounce it normally

>>20483778
they probably get that a lot already from people who dont think theyre flexing

>>20483585
actual linguists literally call it devoicing, the word for consonants is unvoiced or voiceless, stop complaining about something you don't understand

you aint very bright

btw whether they put their mouth into the position of a devoiced vowel depends on the word and person, obviously changes like s to sh still stay but there's no u or i when they never even put their mouth into that position, and not even putting it into the position is more common than not

>>20483967
you're the stupid one here dude stop getting mad about topics you don't even have a functional self education in

if were gonna get heated check out these inflammatory remarks btw its called devoicing now carry on you two

I bet using terms like devoicing to a bunch who already call it unvoiced is the best option out there
My post wasnt meant to help them with their phonetics classes but rather to make it easier for them to understand how to pronounce those sounds correctly

あいわなごーほーむ

>>20482012
don't find structured advice on a topic you don't know

>>20483988
this highlighted passage is also the correct description of the phenomenon for standard and western Japanese
the vowels are not deleted, they're just not articulated at all

the distinction between deleted and not articulated at all seems like pedantry that can be left to those arguing about shit like phonotactics
but labels are unimportant all that matters is the mouth noises produced or not produced

If anyone wants the HTML script I talked about 10 hours ago, paste this in the beginning of your html files and enjoy a pleasant read. (Don't forget to enable local file recognition on yomi-chan)
(You can also type notes on the sides)

https://pastebin.com/j3vnCcf7

>>20484122
This colour scheme is 悪趣味 as fuck

>>20484122
sick now make it vertical text with pagination
that was a joke now would you kindly explain why you chose the color scheme of piss on shit

>>20484147
>>20484157
I didn't choose the color scheme, someone else made it. You're free to change it to whatever you want. You're also free to not use it.

>>20484122
>>20484169
how do i change the colors from black on white to white on black?

>>20484189
background-color: #FFCC33;
color: #280000;

>>20484076
i mean yeah if you're just learning Japanese the difference literally didn't matter because you'll intuitively understand the difference the moment you start getting good at listening, but we're already here and arguing so

JP newspapers are supposed to be the pinnacle of hard shit to read, right?

>>20484252
says literally who? even fucking nekopara is considerably harder (if you don't count names and place names)

How many names of cities and prefectures can you guys read?

>>20484286
all the prefectures because i ankied them

>>20484266
I'm not talking about NHK easy. I'm talking about real news that consists of 90% kanji with a little bit of kana sprinkled in if you look hard enough.

>>20484325
yeah i know you mean the big boy news. but honestly it seems like youve never read any cause the "only kanji" thing is only a thing in headlines. pic related

>>20484342
What is that shit? I said newspaper. Are you too young to understand what a newspaper is?

>>20484375
The idea that someone can look at this fucking monstrosity and be able to read it as quickly as I read English is still crazy to me.

>>20484375
honestly not much harder

is there any other reliable source of japsubs exept kitsunekko? iam dying to subs2srs yurucamp but there isnt anything.

>>20484375
this isn't that bad, I've read porn harder than this

>>20484494
weird flex but ok

>>20484390
This is a bit controversial but I don't believe that is the case. I think Japanese often have trouble reading their own language, from what I've heard. And it's only getting worse. Most Japanese can't even write many kanji, the written language is dying out fast. Half of their language is loan words now. Most japs can't even function without english words. Over time, more and more kanji will be phased out / simplified.