/jp/ - Otaku Culture

今日も一日頑張るぞい！

今日もフライデー
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6NLFkGdIww

its notfuckin friday yet u torpe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkt5nT60xBA#t=249

毎日一日フライデー

u know ryuzo wearing a hat that says compton on it is not really unlike what this dudes doing lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE_0m5OkyN4#t=60

I do RTK and I enjoy it

>>20445021
yeah second hand embarrassment is strong
>>20445085
thats ok dude everyone has their fetishes

>>20445085 Is there any practical use for RTK? Not sure. Handwriting I guess. Don't really care either though

i wouldnt use rtk to practice handwriting after already learning japanese id just write some fuckin words
seems useless to me

people compare rtk to memorizing the stroke orders of every letter in the alphabet but no it's more like memorizing the stroke orders of the top 2000 most common root words in english which would obviously be silly and very pointless

>>20445147
>memorizing the [MEANING] of the top 2000 most common root words in english
actually sounds p useful

>>20445152
rtk doesn't teach meanings.

>>20445152
>memorizing shitty approximations of meanings of the top 2000 most common english letter sequences that may or may not actually have meanings oh and the approximations of meanings are in japanese
actually sounds p shit

>2065th thread
>I'd like to believe there is someone who stuck around since thread 1 till now feeding people bad advice while at the same time knowing Jack shit

>>20445157
now there's a hot take
could you elaborate on the disconnect between keyword and meaning then?

>>20445147
If someone claimed to know English and didn't know how to spell 2000 of the most common words, I'd call them illiterate. Eight year old kids can write 500 kanji from memory, your lazy ass can damn well too.

>>20445157
Ah, you're retarded and just playing the meme game. Got it.

>>20445172
kanji mean multiple things and also heisig's keywords are often so bad meaning wise that they're literally worse than guessing based on context (like 村, 町, and 街)

>村: town
>町: village
as the kids say, "roflcopter lol"

>>20445173
kanji arent words
>>20445180
even your god heisig tells you that his keywords arent meanings if you actually read the fucking book

New as fuckfag here.
Got kanji tree so I can finally learn this disaster of a writing system, i am close to N3. I can "get" meanings. I can work out stroke order. But lord in heaven save me, how the fuck am I meant to learn all theae readings?
Why does 中 have 3 fucking kunyomi readings?

>>20445218
because kanji aren't words and those kun'yomi words are words that existed (or their etymologies did) before japan adopted kanji as a writing system

the reading is determined by the meaning it has in context

>>20445171
I've been here off and on since pretty early on in /a/ days and still don't know Japanese. Then again I rarely post advice.

>>20445218
learn words and how theyre written with kanji
if the reading is worth knowing youll get it down via learning words
all forms of isolated kanji study are useless bullshit

it's not literally useless, it can technically help, it's just pointless because there are always much better options that doe the same things for you in less time and/or with less effort

>>20445222
>>20445207
>kanji arent words?
何？！ 嘘!

>>20445248
I

>>20445218
team tomodachi squad

newfriends iranai

>>20445248
那？！噓!

>>20445248
letters arent words
>oh yeah what about a and i

>>20445237
Thanks

in the intro heisig says the point of rtk is to give western students the leg up that chinese-origin learners of japanese have

that's it
take from that what you will

>>20445261
What is a word?

the cool part is that it doesn't give them that leg up at all

you mean rtgay not gonna teach me how to get teh nihongoh pehrapehra ??

>>20445274
I respectfully disagree
the leg up is not zero just maybe not as much as heisig makes it out to be

if you think there is not at least a tiny advantage that chinese native speakers have then you are deluded

i just disrespectfully disagree rtgay doesnt teach u nihongo but thats not its purpose u stupid mother fuckers

>>20445267
this idea is so dumb to anyone who has learned any nihongo or chuugokugo at all but so attractive to monolinguals
truly marketing at work
>>20445272
shit i dont know maybe we should memorize sentences
>>20445281
it becomes zero within a couple of months of learning the language
should have spent a couple of months learning the language instead of a couple of months learning kanj

It's completely delusional to think a couple months of RTK is in any way equivalent to the lifetime of exposure to kanji being used in an actual language that Chinese natives have.

agree on not doing rtgay but i think it helps if knowjapanese=1 ever happens in ur life

my current 'rtk+' student routine
>i only have about 20 mins a day to study
>i turn on some japanese media to listen to in the background
>i add a few rtk entries to anki
>i check them first in the dictionary to make sure heisig isn't bullshitting me (he often is)
>if there is a word I know that uses this kanji i include that too (i'm not a total beginner but still beginner)
>i do my 10-15 so reps and write them out
>it's fun

>next summer, when i will have ample free time, i will have completed rtk

that's it
if anyone has constructive criticism for ways to improve this i'm happy to hear it

>>20445300
>to listen to in the background
that's where you fucked up

>ample free time
do you have 30 minutes a night to spend on your phone in bed? spend that time consuming japanese

>>20445294
agreed but even that exposure is overrated
the best thing about it is that you arent a little scared baby going oh no how could anyone ever learn so many symbols thats impossible i need a genius like heisig to give me the secret shortcut
because you know that its not a big deal
>>20445300
are you saying you have 20 minutes of nihongo study time a day in total and you use all of it distracting yourself with memes while some audio plays in the background
笑う

if youre gonna be that unfocused with your study just focus on enjoying 10000 hours of eng subbed anime since you need that anyway

>>20445297
nice way of putting it

>>20445310
>that's where you fucked up
yeah it's not the same as listening but surely better than silence or non-japanese background noise

>do you have 30 minutes a night to spend on your phone in bed? spend that time consuming japanese
yeah good point could do that

>>20445313
>constructive

>>20445300
>only have about 20 mins a day to study
Yet you find the time to shitpost in djt.

you know djt is like boogiepop where yall are all the little shitters in the different stories and then im just the boogiepop just ever present and ever ゲイ

btw yall should read boogiepop and not watch the very aids lookin ass remake anime but do watch the old anime only if u read the books

>>20445335
>surely better than silence or non-japanese background noise
barely
the problem here is that if you arent focusing on understanding some fuckin japanese you arent learning any fuckin japanese
memorizing vocabulary isnt learning japanese its memorizing some translations its building a mental bilingual dictionary that you can reference more quickly than an external bilingual dictionary when you dont know japanese but it isnt internalizing japanese
theres my constructive version

nah dude you gotta immerse that just means slather yourself in japanese mud like a piggy : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : )

>>20445287
>"X is not Y"
>here is an example of X being Y
>"umm no because other examples"
>define your terms
>[indecipherable hyperbole ]

How to read kanji without furigana?

make em comprehensible : )

>>20445344
it's christmas senpai different rules apply

>>20445355
I agree with everything

truth is I know rtk isn't really 'learning japanese' it's just learning to write kanji
it may [or may not] be useful down the line but like I said I enjoy it so for now I'm going to continue doing it anyway

>>20445390
>it's christmas senpai different rules apply
I didn't realize christmas lasted all the way until summer. Wow!

>>20445373
>in general letters are not words
>some words are only one letter
this was such a fascinating insight i still have to rectify my understanding of logical statements so i cannot further engage on this subject today and cant even begin to attempt to figure out what a word is at this point
if you want a real answer you intentionally or not misinterpreted the statement and thats not as interesting as a good meme

>>20445393
>these posts I am currently making will necessarily continue all the way into the summer
cool bro you might sharing that crystal ball you got?

yall got issues today

>>20445405
>in general
See this is the point.
Kanji can and do function as words on their own, so for you to just blanket claim that kanji are not words is stupid.

incomprehensible chinese house drawings are not words

there its been dictated

>>20445437
the key point is that while some words can be written as a single kanji it is still the case that in general many individual kanji cannot represent words
if you want to get into definitions bullshit 何 is a representation of a word but なに is a representation of the same word and 何 interpreted as a kanji does not encapsulate that its just a placeholder by convention
a single kanji can be used to represent a single word and this is as important as the fact that the single letter a can represent a single word
not important at all because it is the exception and not the rule

Why do people think that they should learn kanji and Japanese separately?

i should have said do not rather than cannot
they can do anything you goddamn please
乙 anon3

i mean japanese schooling has focused kanji study too

its just not retarded and works unlike what u guys do

>>20444979
ohayou
what is this app? is it free?

>>20445463
Japanese children already speak the language and are just learning the characters that go with the worse. They also typically study the kanji in context of the words it appears in, not as abstract entities disconnected from everything else.

so in other "worse" watch 10000 hours of eng subbed anime and all your problems will start to fade away as you learn nihongo after that

>>20445488
i dont know much about their education but this makes sense to me and is what i would recommend if you care about writing
learn nihongo before you bother

>>20445488
This, RTK is also really good for people who have been exchange students and already know the language.
If you're learning Japanese for the purpose of reading shit, learning the kanji separately is fucking pointless.

>>20444159
>1k words is enough in my opinion, I've done it.
I don't really believe you. Or maybe you were more interested in the content you were reading than I was so words stuck out more to you. But that's something you should qualify your "learn from reading" advice with because not everyone is going to love reading shitty stupid fucking manga like yotsuba.

imagine literally going back to the old thread and responding to posts like that with a post like above guys lol

>>20445124
what if you know the kanji that is associated with the word but you can't remember all the strokes. do you not see how a mnemonic would help with that

>>20445456
I don't know about "think they SHOULD" but some choose too - why not?
>why does anyone think they "should" learn japanese in the first place?

do the japanese do it that way ?? some1 should really ask them..........................

>>20445540
Nobody is saying you have to read Yotsuba. There's obviously content in Japanese you're interested in, nobody in these threads is learning Japanese without an interest in some kind of Japanese media. Go read/watch/listen to whatever it is that interests you. Also fuck off, Yotsuba is a masterpiece.

>>20445218
This is something that genuinely will only scare a newfag. I'm only 2 months into this and I know the なか and ちょう readings of that kanji just from reading. Trust me in that it'll take trial and error but it's not scary. It doesn't really matter. You get used to it.

>>20445554
now this is my kinda circle jerk material right here

Is there anyone other than Cure Dolly who teaches how to read/parse longer sentences? Long sentences destroy my ass every time.

post a long sentence post where it falls apart for you and how you try to understand it in detail and ill consider contributing meaningfully

>>20445553
doesn't it take the japanese like 10 years of school to learn to write a lot of kanji? i wouldn't look to their example. maybe if they used mnemonics they could learn in a few months.

>>20445568
Watch more anime.

>>20445546
I still have that thread open after 4chan went down yesterday and am currently reading the remainder of its posts.

なぜザーファックですか

how to learn Japanese without spending money?

>>20445596
what on earth would you spend money on anyway? if you already have a computer you're all set.

https://streamable.com/d4prq

he didnt spend money and look how his nihongo adventure turned out lmao

you get out what you put in

>>20445540
if you dont love reading shitty stupid fucking manga like yotubato youre not gonna make it
you made two mistakes here
not all easy content is shit
you dont need to seek out easy content if you want it youll get through it
finally you need to be comfortable with just not getting some shit thats universal in beginner land
>>20445548
if youve been reading for thousands of hours to get fluent in the first place youre gonna have a pretty good fuckin picture of what the kanji look like
strokes are easy as shit kanji is repetitive and when there is an exception it stands out
if something still gives you trouble after all that use a mnemonic but that doesnt mean you need to start making mnemonics for every fuckin one
>>20445557
never spoiler truth again they need that shoved in their faces
>>20445568
just skip everything until you get to the verb at the end 笑う
>>20445596
what problem do you envision
>>20445609
listen james ntr heisig youre usually on point but this is disinfo

>>20445627
>but that doesnt mean you need to start making mnemonics for every fuckin one
but then you can just skip those ones if you already know how to write it. but if you have a good picture in your head and still can't remember all the details then add a mnemonic to your RTK deck.

>>20445632
>and still can't remember all the details
distinction here is that you already tried instead of centering your approach on the mnemonics in the first place
i dont call that doing rtk and i dont call that an rtk deck
also write words not kanji get it connected to that japanese youre already fluent in not to some fuckin keyword thats my feel but you do you

>>20445627
i never said you had to insert coin to get nihongo

i just said you get out what you put in

>>20445651
dont play this word game shit you know exactly how what you said would be taken
there are real innocent souls here that could be hurt

i mean this couldnt be more evident that inserting coin doesnt get you nihongo

https://streamable.com/be017

also isnt that mostly your fault for drawing the conclusion that m@t didnt insert coin and he cant even read muramasa after 10 years lmao

>>20445609
>he didnt spend money and look how his nihongo adventure turned out lmao
>>20445677
why you playin like thats not what you said
coin is no substitute for puttin in work and readin those eroge
nuke is a great example though so at least i dont need to actually make an argument

its called giving them enough rope to hang themselves my dude

they could use the rope to do a multitude of other things besides hang themselves

but the truly damned will hang like the niku pinatas they are

might as well give a man in a desert a flask of acid
fuckin dumbass the flask could have saved your life if you poured out the acid and saved it for when you found water
you dont need to go out on a limb but be kind to you fellow jin

If you're asking "how do I learn Kanji?"
You are asking the wrong question, you should be asking "how do I learn how to read Japanese?"

and if youre asking how do i learn to read japanese
try asking how do i just fuckin read it cause i got some sick shit i want to read

>>20445753
Jisho.org and a lot of patience.

that wasnt a question here i forgot some of these """"

>>20445730
if youre already in this desert then youre already

>>20445855
were all in this desert together be kind to your fellow jin

>>20445953
why would you cut all the little peoples hands apart just to connect them back together what a waste of time

i think i get it
were all divided against one another but connected through our mutual circumstance of this desert
and ntr feels better about himself by pretending to be on the outside and in control

>learning with namasensei
is this the comfiest timeline?

>>20446056
>"Learning" with namasensei

you people are so smug despite not being able to hold a conversation with a fucking 8 year old

fuck anki

>>20446135
>fuck anki
Why are you so mad at the posters here when you agree with them?

>>20446135
youre on the right path you might make it when you start having fun in japanese instead of with japanese learning videos created by gaijin
except dolly shes based

>>20446161
i just needed to vent out

i was bullied in the last thread by anki fags

telling you that english translations are useless doesnt mean you should do anki chill

>>20446135
>conversation
god who cares about output

nothins even wrong with output
its just a waste of time to practice describing the weather and askin about someones genki when you cant even understand the wisdom of yotuba

yeah fuck vocabulary

all that matters is how many chinese glyphs you have memorized

>>20446217
maybe you are this way because no one asked you about your genki?

>>20446231
every time someone tries to give you some wisdom you bring up the most wack shit that has nothing to do with the conversation
you think you get grow vocabulary by tellin some dude you bought nihai siito de kami to mikkame empitu
>>20446244
dont psychoanalyze me i built these walls for a reason

to not recognize im in control is to play the role you were given as a muppet

didnt you read the op this isnt an rp thread im here to discuss krashner and thats it

>>20445560
> he forgot
Kun: なか、 うち、 あた.る
On: チュウ

But seriously are you just doing it manually and learning each one, or is there any rhyme and reason to read8ngs at all?

>>20446165
>shes

krashner bandicoot ??

>>20446277
learning them as you come across them. never memorize them in isolation.

>>20446277
i didnt see until now that he typed chou
but what my boy is tryin to tell you is that you just learn words and dont worry about that shit and youll know 中央 is chuuou and 中身 is nakami and maybe when you get to 中間 youll guess correctly that its chuukan and maybe you wont doesnt matter in the end

>>20445876
Underated pun, here's your (君)

>>20445971
They were made separately?
Cut to be like bunting instead of one strip of card?

>>20446333
explains no folds but who would do such a thing
fuckin maverick

special message from a real ninja

https://streamable.com/atnby

you know whats chou gei is puttin all your mental energy into whether another dude is gei

but all i think about is how わたしはゲイ

i just want to know whats the kanji for ニッゲル

and i did not mean nickel

if you knew nihongo youd know you can just use whatever kanji you want

>>20446409
then you doin it right good on ya

>>20446315
I meant ちゅう I swear.

>>20446417
Check jisho

Do you guys know where to pirate Light Novels? The one I want isn't on the cornucopia.

>>20446574
all lns piratable are shitty scans which you prolly could find at the site named after cat sounds.

>>20446617
Damn, I already checked there. Thanks for the answer. Time to be a sucker and buy the ebook.

>>20446632
what ln are you looking for specifically?

>>20446638
unko chan goes to daigaku

what's the word that describes a concept such as when a cat character in a show begins a word with a cat sound? like the cat sound nyaa turns into nyaruhodo?

"talking like a cat"

>>20446708
but surely there's a more technical phrasing/terminology. maybe i'm wrong.

>>20446638
Volumes 3 and 4 of Fate/strange Fake.

なんでもにゃい

>>20446720
if i had to give my best scholarly guess it would be にゃほんご

>>20446744
rip that monitor.

>>20446277
Learning the readings is completely useless, and I guarantee that if you ever make it to fluency you will find that that set of memories has become redundant, and you will have built up a totally separate way of recalling the same information.
I know you probably think that learning readings will make it easier to then learn the pronunciations of words, and it will. But my point is that once all is said and done, that new information (the mapping from words to readings) is ALL you're going to end up using. Those big lists of readings per kanji you end up memorizing will play no role in reading, writing, listening, or speaking Japanese, and over time those memories will fade and die from lack of use.
The only thing memorizing readings can do for you is act as a stepping stone to then learning word pronunciations, it lowers the barrier to entry but also at a great cost of time and effort itself.
If you think that tradeoff is worth it for a little stepping stone then go for it I guess. Personally I think it's a huge waste.

Why do manga tankobons smell so good? Is it the paper? The ink? The glue they use for binding? Kodansha volumes in particular have a wonderful scent.

im still waiting to hear what its called when the text says きみ and the furigana says 田中さん or when the text says 膣内 and the furigana says なか

>>20446801
I saw a Japanese twitter call it ルビ, but I don't know if it's a general term or specific to this phenomenon.

>>20446821
Rubi (more or less) is just a different term for furigana.

>>20446821
ruby is a slightly more general term that applies to other languages as well

>>20446801
like when the kanji is someones name but the firugana is クソビッチ

japanese wiki describes it without using a term how can you just not have a word for something done so often this country is fuckin dumb

japan is just coast to coast bull shit

>>20446911
what a zoomer thing to say.

i tried ft. akon

For your first couple months of learning you are excited by the process of learning japanese but over time the only reason to continue after the excitement ends is either obligation via the sunk-cost fallacy or interest in native material. I am way past beginner and enjoy lns, vns, and anime. This is why people have a hard time giving advice to beginners bacause I could not imagine wanting to do anything for the express purpose of learning japanese so things like anki/rtk/textbooks seem stupid to me. If something is not expressly interesting I will not do it. Honestly as long as you are consistent and get input you will make 頑張ろう

if you can even remember the "first couple months" you dont know japanese

>>20446417
黒人

>>20447031
maybe you have dimmentia. I clearly remember being in 3rd grade of course I remember 2 years ago.

1 you cant spell
2 my first memory was from when i was 3 years old

i just got done fuckin ur'e mom and had some cereal

3 i dont think you understand what i mean when i say remember

>>20447054
how many kanji glyphs have you memorized

>>20447013
its not hard to give advice to beginners at all
if you arent interested in readin or listenin to somethin you are wastin your fuckin time
if you are then fuckin read or listen
easy
my patron tiers start at five bucks

>>20447058
比你想象的更多

>japanews24 stream is back up
Holy shit these past couple of days felt so incomplete

>>20447080
the hard part about beginners is they do not understand what you mean when you talk. They say stupid shit like "rtk is the most efficient way to learn kanji" and "daddy matt told me to do exactly these steps and I will argue why that is objectively right". they like numbers like what anki does, and they simply are too stupid to understand that input is the only way to learn

its not hard to give advice to scrubs at all

watch 10000 hours of eng subbed anime

ill wait

and then we can start step 2

>>20447099
thats why i gotta start a patreon so i have the authority of begging for money
thats how they know whose legit
youre probably right though its hard to compete with meaningless promises of 75% faster perapera and the ability to skip the suck phase and lets not forget if you dont do what i say your accent is crippled for life subscribe now

>>20447120
have you watched 10000 hours of sub anime? the biggest problem with this advice, is when you reach that amount you will be so picky about anime that you will never be able to watch enough raw anime to actually learn nipspeak.

>>20447146
i dont want to speak for sensei but you can always read

imagine paying money to this guy in hopes of learning japanese

https://streamable.com/l6h0h

>>20447146
ill give you a gomer tip

when you start getting picky and hate everything

just go backwards in time

voila ez life

also no i prolly outgrew subbed anime before 10000 hours and thats ok if you do too youll know when its time to move forward

every time i watch that clip i have a light chuckle at the same time as kanojo its like a biological reaction to what just occurred

>>20447154
I have watched more raw anime than subbed at this point. I honestly hate subs. raw is better than sub for learning jap so why advise people to watch subs.

raws pointless if almost all of it is incomprehensible

just be patient and watch some english subs its fine its ok

>>20447165
I wonder who is taking the picture.

the beta dad

I have been focusing on Kanji for so long now i have forgotten very basic grammar and vocabulary.

ive never once forgotten like i forgot chunks of japanese

we tried to warn you but look what you went and did

i guess its what happens when you try to memorize a language instead of learn it lol

another instant gratification scrub bites the dust

I hope you're not surprised that by going out of your way to not learn Japanese, you stopped learning Japanese.

you shouldnt ever start forgetting japanese tho

that means you never knew it

also no its totally ok to mistake it with korean but you should never str8 up forget it

this guy could have been enjoying compelling zombie rap instead of studying chinese houses

quick click this before u forget japanese

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5y4L4bneyM#t=77

>>20447238
Sorry we do not watch anime released after 2000 in this thread.

It's perfectly normal to forget things that you don't keep fresh in your mind, even languages. People can even forget their native language given enough time and a sufficient enough lack of exposure to it.

these new age lum fans are posers fwiw

>>20447268
yea im actually at the point where if i think about english it starts falling apart i just have to go with my instinct

>>20447272
I will have you know I watched 20 whole episodes of urusei yatsura before dropping.

This is probably a dumb question, but I'm neurotic and overthinking something and need a slap.

In 「本来の間遠は紅毛、 タトゥー もありません」, did Kentou originally have red hair and didn't originally have tattoos, or he originally had neither red hair nor tattoos? The 、is annoying me.

>>20447303
>もありません
seems clear to me

>>20447329
Yeah もありません is what stood out to me, but it was my first time seeing a sentence spliced like that with 、so I wanted to make sure. Originally has neither, right?

fuck djt and fuck jamal

nice. ... try? ?

>>20447364
i dont want to give you the impression that i know japanese but thats how i take it
>>20447373
savage

my morning dumps are more savage than that

>>20444979

can steve kauffman even speak fluent japanese anymore considering he studies too many languages to be fluent in a single one?

i would certainly say yes

but frankly one of you dudes that worships him needs to get him to read a visual novel

hows about muramasa? lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdJmjMXCGDM

made me lol

if i hold ctrl through muramasa ill be considered a god right

tyhat vids really good and hopefully itll make u understand why 10000 hours of eng subbed anime is important

>>20447380
Thanks, that's helped fight off at least some of my neuroticism.

>>20447268
>>20447246
>>20447238
>>20447220
>>20447210
>>20447203
>>20447198
>>20447193
WHY THE FUCK ARENT YOU GIVING ME MY (You)s

あれで怒ってんのか

meanwhile you gave me two you want these buddy

>>20447099

im still new, but the first thing i did was to learn hiragana and katakana perfectly, atleast to the point where i can tell the sound within a second, and i pirated a couple of japanese elementary school books and workbooks like GENKI

for me, the workbook is really great and it feels good to solve something with your skills instead of repeating phrases in your head all the time

i haven't studied much kanji, but the school books does have chapters for that aswell

where can you get like middle school history and science textbooks for japanese kids that could potentially be fun
.

also do they have assigned literature readings? if so what do they have to read?

read those and you can make your own visual games like nasu lol

>>20447527
amazon.jp has lots of stuff for cheap, i dont know about good middle school books as im still working on the elementary ones

>>20447540
>elementary school
do I look like a fucking lolicon to you.
ったく

I guess I can just ask my neighbors 12 yo daughter if I can borrow her textbooks.

よさハく切びガれまますすネ

>>20447615
鋼錆びますよく切れます

maybe take the knife and cut your balls and peep off

力は強さじゃない

Any good sources for audiobooks?

>>20447408
>manages to stay on topic for about 1 minutes
>still ties it into a lingq ad
>rest of the video is the worst language interaction I've ever seen
Gotta love him tho

oh if you think steves bad you must not have seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cHkYO9lWO8

theres no #2

>>20447090
It was kinda sad, seeing a stream that’s been going on for over a year and a half lose it’s streak

>>20447511
>japanese elementary school books
Where? I could definitely use these.

what's a cheap accessory or thingy i can buy that might be useful in learning japanese

>>20447708
The Japanese he speaks in this obliterates any Japanese Steve has spoken in any of his youtube videos. Are you deaf?

>>20447708
>I'm matt
>*Audible nasal exhale*
>I heard you speaking japanese
>*audible inhale*
>I study japanese
>*noticeable awkward excitement builds*
Yikes. Why doesn't he even ask them for permission? Japanese people are very private people, that's kind of fucked up. So this is autism..

>>20447754
you should really stop trying to take advantage of how everyone else doesnt know japanese so you can just say whatever you want with no facts to back it up and they cant tell the difference

>>20447754
faster =/= better
He says everything flat and retarded sounding. Even after only running premade rehersed cancerous lines.

>>20447761
kinda sad how nobody can actually call anyone else out because of how incompetent they are. and yet these same people try to critique matt? shameful

It's funny how they feed his ego to see how far he takes it, and he goes all the way like a cringe tard.

>>20447771
more dekinai have been defending than critiquing for this entire year where have you been
learning japanese
that would be a good answer you must be feelin some regret that you cant spit it without a sense of shame from the reality
>>20447793
and then he takes the politeness as verification of his tuyoi nihongo and uploads it like an n1 certificate to show off to his cultists

>>20447746

>>20447728
amazon has them, amazon.jp is the cheapest but it will be shipped from nihon so it'll take some time to come

or pirate it, but some prefer physical books

>>20447793
>>20447800
if you think the first interviews bad holy shit the 2nd interview is where the real gold is

>>20447810
>or pirate it
thats what these dudes have been asking about for a couple of threads

>>20447821
i dont have any links, but reddit is unironically the best place to find it

talking about yourself for a few minutes in a rehearsed manner isn't difficult, that's about as far as most polyglots get

he can go on about how talking Japanese is cringe and how his cult members wouldn't understand him but the real reason he doesn't want to put himself out there is because he's too insecure

which is why I respect Steve a lot more even though he sounds terrible

how many times do you think he said itiban tuyoi gaijin ni naritai alone in his room to practice and to psyche himself up for this encounter

i finished my first full light novel today

>>20447865
fuck I can't believe he actually said that

>>20447810
>amazon.jp is the cheapest but it will be shipped from nihon so it'll take some time to come
Unless they've changed their shipping policy since last time I ordered something, they literally only ship with DHL, and shipping estimates are like 2-3 days for anyone not living in a third world shithole.

>hunting in the wild
What are you hunting? A conversation? The excitement from breaking the law/common decency and not getting permision to record people? Are you really so introverted the general public is wild to you? Is this what Ajatt does to you?

he went from meditating under a urinal to this https://streamable.com/l6h0h

its truly remarkable

>>20447905
3 times the views of the original youtube video lol

>>20447883
Disbelieve all you want but you're gonna be sorry when he gets a regular position in some variety bangumi.

well at least hed prolly stand a better chance than magibon did

>>20447918
why would anyone be sorry that they could see more of this
just imagining what a character this boy would be in a tv studio is exciting

>>20447884
they probably still ship with DHL, i dont live in the third world so i dont know

other amazons has them aswell, but they are about double the price

>>20446056
That clown only knows like 400 kanji, why did anyone take him seriously in the first place?

what do you listen to while reading

>>20448050
I keep a short playlist of jpop on loop. As I learn I keep hearing more words to the songs.

>>20447976
I mean it's probably good advice, but he writes it like a stalker or something

>>20448050
the seiyuu voices : )

>>20448050
prefer silence when reading unless theres noise outside
no vocals
>>20448089
also a good option

yea if i read books id prolly just prop up in my hammock and only listen to the birds outside my window while i lose myself in a nice story

>>20448050
That lofi shit on youtube

>>20448050
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjohMzHkBqI
他に何かはうるさいとやかましい

あなたのpostingのように

静かにしてくださいもし誰かに貴様は助けねぇ

もし ?

>>20445540
>>20445557
Manga isn't reading in the first place.

>>20447884
Just got a shipment from Amazon.jp yesterday, it’s still DHL

>>20448050
If i’m just chilling i’ll sometimes listen to FM Japanese Radio Talk Shows, but when i’m actively studying I find background noise distracting

wow oda you draw so good

if u want a good drawing take a fucken look at these

もうはつかだよ

たいへん

クリスマス予定ありますか

>>20448695
ない

>>20448687
時が経てないでください
>>20448695
では
ありません

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKHIrqy_jZc

use your words you cant always let waifus and rappers speak for you in life

torpes

savage

>>20448695
両親の家に行く。23日の夜に働いて、それから朝バスに乗って家に行く。それだけ。

これは初めてここでポストします。先/int/で書いたけど人がたくさんいて、すべてを読むのがたくさんかかりました。よろしく。

You can learn Japanese! All you need to do is try!

>>20448891
and a yoloshiku to you too my dude

atasi mo gambatteiru

>>20448899
I enjoyed these numbers

doh gambattemo kek kyoku nanimo dekinaidesyoune

ketsui sae sureba nan demo dekiru

demo dekiru
atasitati dekiru
pojithibuna kangaero
gambarimasyou
ne

how the fuck do you memorize both hira and katakana? can it really only take a day? and how about kanji like what the fuck am i gonna do with those?

How the fuck do you memorize lowercase and capital letters? Let alone cursive lower and upper.

>>20448989
drill with some shit like djtkana starting with a few kana and slowly adding more
keep at it until you get 90% 80% even 70% right
you could do it in a day or two you dont have to just dont go so slow that it takes more than a week
dont aim for 100% get the rest of the way there by actually fuckin reading and checking when you forget something
itll go much faster than holding yourself back trying to drill your way to perfection

oh and learn kanji indirectly by learning words instead 頑張ろう theres your first its read gambarou it means gambarou every time you see it think gambarou and remember to gambarou

>>20448695
ではないが、もすぐにアタシの誕生日だ

>>20448989
Took me like a week or two to learn hiragana. Haven't really drilled katakana yet. It's not a big deal. The shit will come to you if you keep doing anki reps.

今年いくつですか

are LNs a better way of pandering to virgins like me than anime? reading haruhi now almost finished my first volume and the way mikuru is described makes me feel like i am touching her bros

dont be that ninja that say mikuru beem right before he bust

mikuru is shit taste
they all are huh what a shit book

wowzers first not terrible opinion of the day

omigoto lol

>>20449153

mikuru is really good her seiyuu is just shit

>>20449157
your welcom
>>20449162
nah

m m m m mikuru bEEm blurhghhuhmmmuurrffff

is that the sound of deru in your zubon

>>20449036
those four kana are gambarou? there is no m kana tho. so how is it possible. and whats it mean

>>20449178
i dont dass in my drawers homie

i do it on your face

i said it means gambarou just go with the flow japanese be that way

you talk big but my face remains seieki free can the same be said for yours

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjaxYW40ysE#t=135

>>20449207
coulda just said iie : (

imagibne shootin a vid tryin to act all rambunctious up in a konbini and gettin yelled at by nerd ass megane clerk lmao

>>20448050
The audio book of the book I'm reading.

>>20449000
Wait. So I have to learn 26 letters TWICE?! Then you're saying I have to do the same thing again to read fucked up handwriting? Why can't English adopt the Korean writing system, it's so much simpler.

is "kuso" really a bad word? I mean, I've seen that word being in used by the MCs in some relatively friendly-shows

なんか

まちに

がいじんふえてるきがする

no theres actual bad words that are too hot for tv

answer the question

>>20449303
nihongo is usually more about what you actually say than the words that you use
unless you go off and say somethin crazy like ma*ko nihonjin cant stomach the idea of that

>>20449354
then what is the point of censoring a certain kanji/word in a friendly sentence? "the weapon that I picked up was sh*t so I dropped it"

what is the point of using a word that doesn't actually mean what it says then? kuso is supposed to be kuso, nothing else, right?

shame on a ninja

>>20449391
>what is the point of censoring
if its not ma*ko there is no point
>doesn't actually mean what it says then
it means what it says its just no one gives a shit if you say shit and there is no minimum age to say shit
they might care what you do with it but not that you said it

>>20449437
>it means what it says its just no one gives a shit if you say shit
censors say otherwise
are you talking with your ass or what?

>there is no minimum age to say shit
humans have mouths, you know? they can say literally anything. now be a kindergarten teacher and say shit to children.

>>20449459
forgot another example:
go tell your boss that he is shit

no one cares about your kuso ass

i dont care if you say that my ass is kuso

>>20449459
how often do you see kuso censored my man
censorship doesnt necessarily mean youre covering your readers eyes it can be sort of stylistic in english too
i cant speak for nihonjin but id guess the most annoying thing about saying kuso to children would be them repeating it all fuckin day
you should stop trying to guess at japanese standards based on western standards
case in point ma*ko
if youre wondering why the disconnect look at your censored degenerate porn and it should become clear that nothing the nihonjin mind can come up with bothers them as much as ma*ko
cause nothin else is obscured
ok chinpos are also obscured but ma*ko is def worse
>>20449467
and thats where the its not the word but how you use it comes into play
didnt say you can call your boss kuso but his angry reaction aint gonna be i cant believe you just spoke the utterance kuso

サンタさん

きょうのばんごはん

おねぎたべたい

サンタは存在しない

ねぎがクソ
there i said it to a child for you lets see how they react

>>20449509
saw it censored a couple of times
vas going "oh, I didn't sign up for this shit" (a typical challenge) get a pass, but "oh I picked a shitty character" (a friendly videogame) does not
censorship is censorship dude
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beep_(sound)
it's literally meant to, well, censor words

i still don't understand what the fuck ma*ko is

dear santa plz kill all these scrubs

amen

めんどくさい

まいどー

>>20449303
>I've seen that word being in used by the MCs in some relatively friendly-shows
>>20449547
you have counterevidence youre just gonna have to keep nihongoing and draw your own conclusions
and the word is manko
>>20449550
always got somethin to say but never open your mouth ntr whats the deal

im not special needs i dont need to speak to post on the internet : )

what do you think hyperliteralism is a sign of

owning a noob ?

savage

hola querida mamá!

when you pass the kidney stones youll be a new man again make sure to stay hydrated

if i got kidney stones why are u the sore loser ?

whatd i lose im just wonderin why youre so bitter cant a dude check in on a dudes genki
whatd i say about bein kind to your fellow jin

>>20449277
27 letters, you caveman.

lets play a game. how long before they ask if you're a 外国人

How hard is it to learn just playing games with text hooker and never doing flash cards

>>20449920
About the same

If ない is the negative tense of ある, what is the -zu form of it, if it even exists?

>>20449907
lol gimme a few more months but looks fun

>>20449959
the ない form of ある alone is special, the rest of its negative forms follow normal godan conjugation

あらへん
あらず
あらざる

https://thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/%E3%81%82%E3%82%89%E3%81%96%E3%82%8B

>>20449959
あらず but its obsolete, I can't think of a situation you would use it in.

>>20449943
Ok doing cards is a drag I just wanna play games

>>20449907
何これ？アタシ、気になるわ！

>>20449976
either you don't know japanese or you don't read very much

>>20450010
Its mainly used in classic literature, fuck off wannabe dekiru.

>>20450043
it's used in literal porn

>>20450073
I dont believe you unless it takes place in the past or something, especially since ず form isnt even spoken so nobody in porn has any business saying it.

>>20450095
guess you don't know japanese

>>20450123
You're trying too hard. Post a scan or fuck off, zu form is almost strictly written and あらず is an archaism on top of that.

>>20450130
>porn
>scan
lol

にあらず is absolutely not uncommon and stuff like 心ここにあらず is downright normal even in like porn

not to mention the ず form isn't actually archaic itself it's just using it certain ways that is archaic

>Missed a week of anki
>900 reviews
Shit.
On the bright side some of the stuff that gave me trouble comes up automatically now so I guess something stuck.

>>20450140
Fuck off, if it really pops up in porn as much as you're making it out to then you can find at least one instance if it in a spot you can post without getting banned. Put up or shut up.

>>20450140
>google 心にあらず with quotes
>544 results
I believe the other guy now desu.

>>20450167
bro you can find にあらず in just about any full length erotic game this isn't a "put up or shut up" situation you just don't know what you're talking about

>>20450174
>can't even copy paste right
at least samefag intelligently

>>20450175
Then post it, stop stalling.

>>20450190
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22%E5%BF%83%E3%81%93%E3%81%93%E3%81%AB%E3%81%82%E3%82%89%E3%81%9A%22+%22%E3%81%BE%E3%82%93%E3%81%93%22

How do I go about learning all the kanji? Do I just learn all the first grade kanji before moving on to the next?

>>20450194
Wrong bitch, post them using あらず in an actual real way and not in a set expression.

>>20450200
nobody said anything about set expressions bro but even then you can just download some eroge scripts off the internet and ctrl+f あらず in them until you find something that's not a fixed expression and it's not even that hard

>>20450210
You're still stalling. 心ここにあらず is a set expression. あらず is archaic and not used outside set expressions like that.

>>20450218
who's "stalling"? you're just wrong and i don't want to expend more than the minimum amount of effort needed to make you realize it. you're just extremely stubborn. got an ego?

https://mega.nz/#!1UF0BSQC!dF9fKtJRmPaaR2viR9QxmD7xAgf9Kag61P4Gx8dMM9o

>ctrl+f あらず in them until you find something that's not a fixed expression and it's not even that hard

>>>>>something that's not a fixed expression and it's not even that hard

literally did this just a couple minutes ago surely you can do it too

>>20450223
>I made a claim but I expect you to do the work for me to prove it.
Nah fuck you
>心ここにあらず is not an expression
Amazing how people can be this retarded

>>20450229
i already proved it to myself dude, i just want to know that you proved yourself wrong, otherwise you'll just keep deflecting

>>心ここにあらず is not an expression
>Amazing how people can be this retarded
i never said that. who are you quoting? i'm telling you to search for it being used somewhere other than a set expression. and there are many, many places where that is the case, i.e. it being used outside of a set expression.

>>20450233
You proved your 心 bullshit, besides that you're asking me to do the hard work to prove sometime YOU said. If you dont care what I think then fine, but I think you're full of bullshit because you keep deflecting responsibility of proving what you yourself said.

>>20450236
bro im pretty sure typing up several FURIOUS RESPONSES here on 4chan is more effort than opening some text files and pressing ctrl+f ctrl+v, at this point the only reason why you wouldn't do so is because you don't want to be proved wrong. if you could do this right now and find nothing at all then it would prove me wrong and you would be the more proud motherfucker on the planet, but you know that's not going to happen so you're continuing to deflect.

>>20450240
>the more proud motherfucker on the planet
haha you made a typo

Lmao this shit stoopid just read more

>>20450245
nice meme

>>20450240
>projecting your emotions onto me
I ain't mad I just think you're a bitch. Go ask your mom for proof cause I don't feel like explaining it myself.

>>20450252
this is so many more times pathetic than what i was expecting that i don't even know how else to respond
i hope you reflect on what you've done here and try not to explain things you don't fully understand in the future

>>20450262
I understand it completely. Prove that I understand for me and you'll see.

>倉庫にアイテムを

I'm thinking of something that means "store" or "deposit" but my brain is getting stuck right now. I know I've seen this word before. Can anyone help me out? Is it 仕舞う?

>>20449539
サンタさんはいます

>>20449540
ねぎはいいやさいです

>>20450297
げえむようごで

store/depositは「そうこにしまう/いれる」
withdrowは「そうこからだす」

>>20450422
思った通りですね. メッセージを送る前に確かめたかった. ありがとう.

命あってのものだねえ～

>>20450452
げえむ

いがいだと

たんごが

かわるよ

>あずけいれる/にゅうきん

>はらいもどす/しゅっきん

Anybody have the rikaicake xpi? My god this is a pain

Can every rule of the language be understood by mass input(krashen style) or is it necessary to read grammar explanations in your own language. I think its really helps to skim a grammar guide or read the explanations of main particles in a j-e dictionary. other than that I haven't read any grammar guides besides looking up things in the dicitonary and I've made great comprehension gains just reading lns with yomichan but aux iru verb fucks me up more than anything even though I understand the gist. In some examples obviously it has to mean was put in some state and now is existing there but some contexts I wonder if they meant -ing vs "was done and now exists in that state"

>>20450792
Did you read grammar explanations when you learned your first language? The answer is that you don't need any explanation at all but when done right an explanation helps you understand it faster. "When done right" means that you read it when your brain is ready to acquire that grammar. You know that this is the time when you feel like you have a vague understanding of it, and/or when the grammar explanation sticks immediately after reading it and you don't need review (this is necessary, if you have to review it again and again then your brain simply wasn't ready to learn it yet).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk1IBMbF2kM
楽しんで

When beginning to read can I just ignore -nda and -ndesu endings?

>>20450843
>Not Hinata
>Not even Shiro
>NOT EVEN Akari
>NOT EVEN KIZUNA AI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mog8tO-5krY

Come on, you can do better listening practice than a vocaloid VA'd AI.

>>20450848
What do you mean by "ignore"?

>>20450851
>he doesn't わかる

>>20450848
I guess, I mean it's not actually going to alter the meaning of a sentence in any way that will be meaningful to a beginner. I wouldn't ignore it though, understand it's there and it's doing something and you just don't know what it is. BTW it's adding an explanatory tone and/or asking for an explanation like 99% of the time.

>>20450853
>>20450858
I know that they mean something like "because" or something you say when explaining yourself but I find it much easier just to ignore them and translate the sentence as if they aren't there.

>>20450862
>Translating
So you understand basically what the の is doing, you just don't include it in the translation? That's fine, later down the line you'll stop translating anything into English anyway.

>>20450862
You shouldn't be translating sentences into English to begin with. That being said, explanatory の in sentences often gets dropped in English translation anyway, because trying to drag it into English is very frequently extremely unnatural.

儲かってんだろうな
That’s just an abreviated ない right?

>>20450873
>You shouldn't be translating sentences into English to begin with.
Yes you should, prominent language learning figures (on the same level as Krashen), i.e. Wolfgang, say so. The reasoning in short is that you use pre-existing knowledge (your mother tongue) to help scaffold your target language.

Full reasoning:
http://www.fremdsprachendidaktik.rwth-aachen.de/Ww/programmatisches/pachl.html

>>20450935
Ez
Ez
Wat

>work office job
>shower at the end of the day instead of the start
What is wrong with the Japanese?

>>20451033
Showering before you sleep is more hygienic.

>>20451038
If you're not some kind of animal that never cleans their bed sheets it barely makes a difference.

>>20451033
>not doing both
汚いです

>>20451052
it's bad to sleep in your own filth in general dude not just how fast it builds up on your bedding

>failed 親 card with 3 year interval
>still can't tell apart 新 and 親 if I see them out completely out of context like in anki

that's it I'm going to start RTK today

>>20451114
>if I see them out completely out of context
Who cares?

>>20451114
I'm sure knowing that stand tree axe means new and stand tree see means a parent helps you, ganbatte!

新 is one of the most common kanji can't you just remember it?

>>20451490
Just repeat this dismissive excuse 2200 times.

腺線縁緑
can't you just remember them?

Is this a name or something?

>>20451574
nevermind I'm an idiot, it's modeling master.

>>20451574
Look up 造型 and 師 separately.

gambare zelda guy

why isnt 遺却 in jisho or rikai?

Why does tsuku have to mean so many different things

because it do alot of thing

>>20451658
embrace 研究者第５版

>>20451665
>かける

>>20451658
https://www.edrdg.org/jmdictdb/cgi-bin/edform.py?svc=jmdict&c=1
Add it yourself.

wtf's so hard about 突く(笑)

>>20451665
Why does set have to mean so many different things.

why does https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Pge2nb979k mean so many different things

>>20451114
RTK isn't necessary for that though is it? The radical distinction is very obvious here so just make up a quick mnemonic yourself.

>>20451574
You're making me wanna play wind waker desu. It'd be the first game I'd ever play in Japanese.

imagine being in this fuckin thread bein a flashtard and never having played any japanese videogame yet

>>20451864
I usually flashtard it up while reading vns I don't like since it's much easier to read vns than to look up words in manga I'd rather be reading or games I'd rather be playing.

>>20451864
>Haven't done either
Checkm8

give in to those urges and just play a game

trust me dont worry about trying to carry all the words you dont know pooled up in the front of your shirt

>>20451845
Go for it, the language in it is pretty easy with some exceptions.
I'm 2-3 months in my studies and on average I look up one word per text bubble.

>>20449907
Finally something good in this general. Post more.

why dont u try posting something good instead

sumn gd

>>20451895
that's my 台詞だ