/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>20445623
V/V a cute.

If ORT's body was killed, do you think it'd turn into a cute girl too?

>>20446246
Imagine a timeline where Notes became a full series. Every time Godo kills a Aristotlese is comes back as cute girl to laze around his house.

So, now that the last "successor" of Nasu is getting his own Fate work, how long will Nasu stay before enjoying his retirement ?

>>20446774
I'm surprised it took them so long to get Meteo to write a Fate story.
Thank god it isn't Minase.

>>20446862
Is there a TL for April Witch?

>>20446862
I didn't read a lot from Meteo, but I really liked Forrrest. I have high hopes

>>20446869
http://bimyou.blogspot.com/2011/04/room-of-april-witch-type-moon.html

>>20446903
Cool, thanks anon.

>>20446886
Same, especially since it sounds like he isn't just doing a Grail War.

>>20446932
Seeing the Little Prince already make me happy.

O MY INDEPENDENT ACTION

This is practically an HD remaster.

>>20448865

>>20448870
What's the track that plays during this interlude

>>20446932
There's lot of potential for comfy SoL and Servant/Master inter-personal relationships and interactions if we go by the setting's summary so I'm cautiously optimistic.

>>20446774
I wonder if Sakurai could write something good if they let her write a nasuverse story set in the 1800s/1900s.

>>238254402
/fgo/ having lore discussions again where two camps of people that can't read japanese try to prove each other wrong by citing japanese mats and pretending to know what is written in them, only to actually post chinese translations. then proceed to call each other EOP some more.

bravo.

>>>/vg/238254402

/fgo/ having lore discussions again where two camps of people that can't read japanese try to prove each other wrong by citing japanese mats and pretending to know what is written in them, only to actually post chinese translations. then proceed to call each other EOP some more.

bravo.

choose wisely

>>20450383
both

>>20450383
Personally I like Senpai with her glasses more.

Wait a minute.

>>20450383
Senpai isn't Senpai without her glasses!

>>20450169
I curious if she could be good if she was allowed to write something like Salem.

Is it true that you guys are TLing Mahoyo now that BL abandoned the project?

>>20452470
One anon was, but he was expressing frustration towards the whole thing. Don't get any expectations.

>>20451660
why is she so perfect ?

>>20450383
3. I like Senpai dry curry turds.

>>20452470
Just learn Japanese already.

Notes. OVA soon I can feel it

>>20452470
one guy was/is, there's no group. same thing for the fuwanovel guy. VN communities are pretty dead in general. chaos head noah TL group has been looking for a translator for over 3 years I think.

>>20454607
only right before FGO part 3 so that they can kill a TYPE every chapter.

F/SN is downloading now. This will be my first time sitting through a TypeMoon VN.
What am I in for?

>>20455123
A slow first route, but overall a really good VN in a cool setting.

>>20455123
Cooking

>>20455123
same situation here, how do I install the english language patch to f/sn ?

>>20455257
just download a prepatched version of nyaa or something.

>>20455123
Anus and shonen fights

>>20453240
She's got The Gland, and it's so potent that it attracts males even across dimensions.

>>20455123
Great cast of characters, suspense, atmosphere, body horror

>>20455941
takeuchi art truly is the greatest body horror

Could caster still theoretically use her past self's healing magic, or did she lose those abilities when she started murderin'.

>>20456973
She should have all of her magic, as far as I know.

>>20456973
Also nice belly

>>20456973
>>20458402
In F/HA, we see that she couldn't heal Kuzuki. She would've done literally everything to accomplish that task so we can safely assume that she can't heal.

>>20458438
Arcueid's flabby belly!

>>20450215
stuff like this is why i stopped going to fgog a long time ago. pretty funny, though

>>20454749
They have a translator now (name is "itsrigs") but he's kinda slow due to rl stuff

My Christmas present this year shall be Arc fanarts

>>20462627
The best present!

>>20462631
Arc Alter Santa when? Sadly delivered on the twelfth of Never it seems regrettably.

What do you think of FSN as a battle Royale?

What the hell happened to Prisma Illya? I can't find any translated chapter past chp. 59

Arc b-day S O O N

Upscaled Arc courtesy /vr/. Perhaps we could do our own remaster? (This was done with https://github.com/xinntao/ESRGAN, which anon trained on the http://www.manga109.org/en/ dataset.)

>>20468898
Looks super good.

Anyone knows where did the Tri-Hermes take energy from ? Thank you

>>20468898
This sure is taking off fast. Really cool results. The Morrowind textures made with this look fantastic.

>>20468898
>>20470321
By the way, did this guy upload his stuff anywhere? I don't wanna have to train it myself.

Will someone ever finish Fate/Apocrypha and Mahoutsukai no Yoru?

>>20470587
>Mahoutsukai no Yoru
probably not. even if somebody did you'd just suffer at no sequel being produced instead.

the golden age of both this franchise and it's community are long gone.

Why aren’t foreigners just casters? Prelati is a caster.

>>20470874
Because they needed to force in a shiny new class.

>>20470874
you should be asking why shielder is a class when seemingly only a random girl qualifies and her shield is actually a table.

>>20471122
Shielder at least has its niche, and Leonidas is eligible too aside from Galahad.
Foreigner is just weird and feels like a Caster offshoot.

>>20471117
>>20471142
Best girl

>>20471585
A girl who like turtles can only be the best girl

Do you capitalize the words "Master" and "Servant" or not? Commercial translations seem to not do it, but I like it more capitalized, same as the class names.

>>20469843
speaking of tri-hermes i wonder if tri-hermes and hermes are the same thing but only in different timeline

>>20472179
I capitalize the various terms in general not just class names and Master and Servant.

>>20471122
Achilles can be Shielder.

So can just download the fate vn in the link and it will work immediately or do I have to do some bullshit?

>>20450383
3.

>>20474036
It should work as is

How would you rank the main series?

>Kara no Kyoukai
>Tsukihime & Kagestu Tohya
>Fate/stay night & Fate/hollow ataraxia
>Mahoutsukai no Yoru
>Fate/Extra & CCC
>FGO

>>20474321
Tsukihime/KT/MB > Mahoyo > F/SN and F/HA > CCC > KnK > Fate/Extra > FGO.

>>20470874
Prelati was a Caster before Foreigner was a thing. Since Narita wants to frolic in Nasu's garden, wouldn't be surprised if one of the Prelatis become one later though.

>>20474412
What’s his deal anyway? He’s supposed to be very strong yet he got humiliated by Touko.

>>20474421
>What’s his deal anyway?
He is a fun guy.

>>20474421
Touko is pretty damn strong when she's prepared, funny part is Prelati pissed her off so bad he had to get a restraining order against her.
Its also possible he degrades a bit with every body hop like Zouken did.

How do you feel about everything Nasuverse now revolves around FGO, to the point where adaptations of previous works have FGO references (UBW and HF anime)?

>>20474503
Did the UBW anime have FGO references? It came out and ended before FGO was released.

>>20474503
Not a big problem to me.

>>20471122
>>20471341
>>20472974
I think Ajax should be able to qualify if they ever decide to include him.

>>20474036
>>20474167
What are the differences between Fate/stay night and Realta Nua version?

>re-reading Tsukihime
>forgot that Shiki immediately starts fucking Arc roughly she asks him to do it gently
I forgot how much of a douche Shiki could be.

>>20474904
Realta nua is the all ages version with voice acting, the english translation however restores the 18+ content

New Requiem characters.

>>20475135
What the hell, a dinosaur Berserker? That's new.
The girl is the one in the cover, I think.
>14 years old

>>20475135
>Medb JK version
Cute though.

>>20474975
Nasu has a weird fetish for treating women like trash during sexual situations.

>>20475135
>Dinosaur with a hat made it into the throne

Really makes you think

>>20470406
He's uploaded it.
>>>/vr/5236209

>>20474975
Reminder that the Far Side routes are a rip-off of Kizuato.

Somehow this is little known amongst EOPs.

>>20475774
Is that actually true? I guess I should read that one next then.

>>20475774
Reminder that this is bullshit spread by psuedo-JOPs or retards - often both. I'm sick of this stupid meme.

They're not really alike beyond surface plot that sets the stages. Putting aside the fact that the first person to spread it around repeated inaccurate details about the plot - which is pretty hard evidence that he never read it himself -
it's more important that although the games share superficial similarities (half of which is a common trope throughout many works), the vast majority of the games diverge and cover different themes, ideas, etc etc to the point comparing them is ridiculous. Kizuato is really bare bones and has no flavour to it really, nothing like the nasuverse and the crazy shit that goes down in Tsukihime. There's just enough similarities to make memes but to anyone who's read both they couldn't be more different.
Like, the reveal of the real murderer in Kizuato is borderline pathetic and the whole thing is really freaking weird and offputting:The murderer just happens to be a cousin of the MC, nothing deep to it just an illegitimate child. His real identity is the detective assistant you see like once in the whole game before the reveal. His murderer motive is just that he was lonely with no friends except one guy befriended him (his neighbor), and then that one guy got raped in the ass by his (male) debtor/master cause he tried to escape from him. That's it. That's the whole main villain, whoopdeedoo. Whereas SHIKI's dual nature with Roa and all that about the Dead Apostles is really interesting in a chuuni kind of way. I mean, compare the Nanaya clan and all that toa clan descended from a pissed off samurai who half-raped a goddamn alien girl who got stuck on earth cause her and a bunch of other alien's ship fucked up when it crashed. I wouldn't go so far as to call Kizuato trash or anything but it's really not good at all, and nothing comparable to Tsukihime past the initial setup.

>>20448865
how?

>>20476199
I love my cats!

>>20476186
Waifu2x. You can try it yourself at http://waifu2x.udp.jp/..

>>20450169
she already wrote good fate stuff

>>20471585
Best girl with her childhood friend.
Also it's hard to believe that Riddell was not just the current head of Archelot family but also the Lord of botany faculty in Clock Tower

>>20450169
Read Hyde/Jekyll's side story in TM Ace 11. It is pretty good

>>20475135
>dino priest
Very nice. Picked up.

Avalon is a shit tier plot device to keep Shirou alive.
Prove me wrong.
HF is the best route because Shirou doesn't depend on Avalon there.

>>20474563
Nasu suggested some changes in Heaven's Feel for the movie, but Sudou rejected everything. He said that stay night is fine as it is.

http://yaraon-blog.com/archives/115097

They also make fun of Miura in the comments for what he did in KnK6 (nips say he basically did whatever he want which ended in a monstrosity) and UBW (they blame him for making it a zero sequel instead of stay night, and ended up being neither a zero sequel nor stay night).

"If Sudou could do it right with no more than the original source, with no changes like you did. Still, why did you fail at adapting KnK and UBW?"

Basically that.

>>20476956
Nope. You're right

>>20476956
No, it's a plot device to allow Nasu to show off one of his greatest writing talents: detailed first-person descriptions of injury, suffering and shit just not going as expected.

>>20477443
Yes, Nasu is really good at describing body horror but Avalon is just a shitty way to do that.
The bad ends are better in that regard.
Also, that thing about gaining experience from your possible future self in UBW is convenient as fuck.
This was done better in HF since it actually makes sense considering that he has Archer's arm.

>>20477093
maybe it's a good thing tsukihime remake is never coming out.

>>20477093
the best thing about that link is everyone in the comments worried about the extra anime

poor souls.

retard here, I finished downloading all torrent in the OP what do I do next?

Merry xmas, /tmg/!

>>20477778
play realta nua.

>>20478178
next year is the year I finally kill myself.

>>20478242
I don't know how to start it

birthday boi !! also merry christmas everyone

>>20478513
Oh wow, I didn't know he was also a Christ-like figure.
Happy birthday Leo

>>20477778
That's slightly different from the version I have I think but it looks like it should just work as long as you move the faterealtanua_savedata to the folder where it tells you to on the nyaa page. Just run Fate stay night[Realta Nua] -Fate- since that's the first route. If that's not working then I don't know

Huh, I never realized the idea of an older Leo wearing a trench coat existed before Last Encore.
Apparently this is from Extra material.

Happy Birthday Arcueid!!

>>20478881
Yes. But i like this hairstyle more

Why are the Eltnams so perfect ? And that Sialim's precious smile too

>>20479066
They need to teach their dumb homunculus how to dress herself properly.

Am I the only one that thinks that DEEN/Stay Night has more soul than UfoUBW?
I don't know if it's the OST or the character designs but it feels more like FSN.

>>20479224
>soul
Dumb meme.
The old anime is closer to the VN in atmosphere in some ways, if that's what you mean. I think UBW took a bit too much from Fate/Zero's style, because that was a success.

Sakura's boobs...

>>20463874
It is worth saying that FSN is not a classic battle royale like, well, Battle Royale or Highlander. It belongs to the distinct subgenre where humans power intelligent supernatural beings who fight for them. It's similar to mon, but is not mon because normally the humans don't collect multiple fighters and the fighters are more human-like. I'm curious where this subgenre started.

>>20479924
If you truly care to track it back enough you will probably find the first entry to be some ancient chinese myth. and they probably ripped it of from somebody too.

>>20480316
Quite possible, but I'd at least like to know the oldest post-WWII source in Japanese popular culture. I'll post here if I find more info on it.

Everytime I see Consort Yu I get angry.

>>20480802

>>20471341
Leonidas is really bizarre. Everything about him screams Shielder while his spear couldn’t be less important. At least Achilles has other NPs

>>20479224
>Am I the only one that thinks that DEEN/Stay Night has more soul than UfoUBW?

Why does the fanbase hate UfoUBW?

>>20481312
Fucked up Answer, Gil vs Shirou was shit and not accurate at all (even DEEN was more accurate) and Shirou in general was badly adapted.

How will you celebrate Christmas?

Cielfags are cool!

>>20482053
Cute. I forgive Axia now.

>>20480802
Why ?

>>20479706
came here to post this

Merry Christmas, /tmg/

>>20482124
>>20482053
Axia is /ourguy/

Damn wish I could have lunch or dinner with Axia he seems so cool and interesting to talk to.

>>20482674
Axia is a girl, there are pics and all.

>>20482674
>he

How is your country represented in the Nasuverse?

>>20482674
She's pretty boring, though. Not that is a bad thing, but she's just not interesting nor cool. A depressed, antisocial anime avatar on Twitter is hardly unusual.

Not trying to be mean.

>>20482668
Merry Christmas and happy birthday to best vamp

>>20450215
Playing FGO is its own punishment.

>>20474421
>>20474459
Touko is a Clock Tower Grand. In mage tiers she is at the very top.

>>20474563
>>20477093
Gilgamesh outright mentions Evil of Humanity in the UBW Anime. In the Beast kind of context.

>>20482694
my language gets raped everything someone casts a spell.

So cute

>>20482694
Over patriotic memes with native magi that want to genocide us.

>>20482694
I don't think there's any spanish servants in the nasuverse yet, well there's that caster from Apocrypha but he's a moor that lived in the caliphate so it doesn't count.

>>20486506
El Cid soon

>>20486546
God I wish, I've been waiting so long for him though I'd also love to see Quixote and Sancho or some conquistador like Pizarro or Cortez. My biggest dream would be to see this literal madman right here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramon_Llull
Here's a TLDR:
>born as a noble in the island of Majorca just right after it was retaken by christians
>gets married and has children while living a normal life as a troubadour until he turned 30
>suddenly one day he has a vision from christ while writing a letter to a woman he had an affair with
>leaves his family and everything he had behind to become a hermit
>spends 10 years studying latin, philosophy, theology and other sciences and languages in order to try to convince people to convert to christianity
>tried and failed to convince the pope multiple times to start crusades, so he mostly fought his own personal ones
>spent the rest of his life traveling all over europe to evangelize other people and cultures, especially in islamic territories where he was almost stoned to death multiple times while debating religion with theologists among other things
>wrote more than 250 books about many topics and genres in many languages
>all of this until he died as an 80 year old man

>>20486908
I still think this guy could be Don Quixote or some conquistador

>>20486908
>spends 10 years studying latin [starting at 30]
How DJT-esque.

>>20480802
she's not a true ancestor, don't be mad

>>20482694
I long for the day when some Argie Servant shows up. Maybe get San Martín as Saber, Güemes as Rider and Rosas as Ruler or some shit, they were absolute madmen.

>>20482694
I was hoping for either Mozart or Beethoven to become servants for years and ended up horribly disappointed.

Arc milkies

>>20487557
George-san...

Ignoring mystic eyes bullshit, how do the powerlevels in Tsukihime go? Is it like
Arcueid > Ciel = Nrvnqsr > Akiha > Roa > SHIKI

>>20487911
That's about right, but only if you mean the Ciel during the events of Tsukihime who still has her immortality.

Have you forgiven Nasu for being a lazy sellout?

The majority of nu-Fate and Type-Moon's current audience are gacha whales and whores who just want to roll anime tits and don't give a shit about the established universe and it's stories.
And you know what? Neither does Nasu apparently.

>>20488454
wild how fate went from
>an eroge that no one played for the sex

to

>an all-ages mobage that everyone plays out of horniness

Question, should I skip the opening while playing Fate? I think I've read somewhere that they have spoilers.

>>20489158
The Heaven's Feel OP has spoilers, the other two are safe.

>>20489158
Only if you're using the vita patches

>>20489177
>>20489174
I see, the only one that played by now is the one you get after you play through the Fate prologue. I'm also not using the Vita OP patch, so I guess they're just the PS2 version openings.

>>20489174
>The Heaven's Feel OP has spoilers,

Why would they do this?

>>20489381
I'm more disappointed they ever replaced this illusion

>>20489244
if it was this, you've got the PS2 openings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJe88VrRlTw

>>20489472
The most eternally underrated FSN OPs.

Lotsa good Arcs today. Was a good haul.

>>20489549
they're in a weird spot for eng fans. most never played PS2 realta nua, and by the time the PC version came out and was TL-patched, the Vita OPs were available, so most of the new players since 2012 just copy the entire patch set and use those

>>20489584
(cont) personally I don't really care for the Vita OPs for FSN/FHA. original songs & animations fit the mood of the game way more, despite the fancy sakuga in the updated ones

>>20489610
I agree with the originals fitting better with the mood, maybe with the exception of Aimer's broken night (HA OP1). Original HA OP2 was the best though.
The first time I played FSN was the fuwanovel version, which just had This Illusion as an OP, so I have no real attachement to the Vita and was pleasantly surprised when I found PS2's.

>>20488454
the worst thing is that it would have been every easy to make FGO actually a good story game but:
1. they chose to go for whore servant designs from the very start
2. they chose to write a non-existant MC in a fucking TM game
3. Nasu comes up with the entire retarded setting and lore that is almost as over the top as extraverse but then somehow can't be fucking bothered to actually write any chapters and let's his hack friends do it, who deliver 5 horrible chapters in a row.

Wow, Arc and Ciel still exist, surrounded by feces.

>>20490152
What is this?

>>20490785
A comic from Chaldea Ace vol 2

Someone please seed the FSN torrent, I've been waiting almost 24 hours for this to download and it's been stuck at 98.8% for almost an hour now.

>>20491408
99.8%*

>>20489381
Spoilers in the OP is a terrible thing but the HF one is so absolutely perfect that I can forgive it

>>20491122
Good on the artist for not succumbing to the remake designs.

THIS TORRENT HAS BEEN STUCK ON 99.8% FOR 6 HOURS, YOU DUPED ME /TMG/! I'LL NEVER FORGIVE YOU FOR THIS SHITTY REALTA NUA TORREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENT!

>>20491408
>98.8%
If you use any version of uTorrent, or any version past 4 of qBittorrent, that's likely a client bug.
No idea how to fix the former, but the latter should be fixed with a force recheck or two.

Which blood sucking scumbag would you wipe off the face of the planet first?

>>20493538
Thank you anon, that finally fixed it after 2 whole days of waiting with my shitnernet.
Now I just have to figure out how to sort this damn thing.

>>20482688
Are those cum stains

>>20494508
Nevermind, now it's just stuck on the seeding part.

>>20493566
The new one. She's shit.

>>20493566
I wish there was more stuff with Zepia/TATARI, used to play as him in melty blood all the time.

>>20495170
He became father of the year material for letting his daughter walk outside with a hairstyle like this.

>>20495386
Too bad about the rest of the design

>>20482674
Anyone who loves Ciel that much has to be a good person in my book. Supremely good taste.

>Fate / Zero , since its release, is considered unanimously as one of the best works of Nasuverse , and above all the animated series has been widely praised by the public and critics as a masterpiece.

What went so right?

>>20496064
Butcher's style of writing translates very well to televsion.

>>20496064
ensemble cast, no multiple routes, no lengthy internal monologue that needs to be deleted to make it work as an anime

https://youtu.be/_h2PpwUKZZ8

What Tsukihime heroine did Shiki have the best chemistry and relationship with?

>>20497219
Ahika.

>>20482694
Riesbyfe is off-handedly mentioned to be from there in a drama CD, and Luvia is one ethnically judging by her noblewoman status and last name.

>>20489381
At the time, nobody expected HF to ever get an anime, so any little glimpse of its major scenes was a godsend.

ufoUBW season 1 is fucking amazing, rewatching it makes me unreasonably excited for the rest of HF.
It's weird how much I still love FSN despite how detached I've become from the rest of Fate.

>>20497609
read the vn now

>>20498382
I did long before UBW aired, dumb anon.

>>20497609
UBW is also the only FSN anime that completely adapts Rin's prologue and Shirou's prologue

>>20496099
Shirou's internal monologue's are sure dumb, but this approach of adaptation in general makes protagonists look even worse.

>>20497219
This >>20497231. Other grills are too broken by plot for proper relationship. Ciel is bound to remain in Burial Agency. Arcueid is a literal dracula so no rest for her neither. Both maids are damaged since childhood beyond recognition, better spare them from any supernatural shit in future.

>>20499159
Hisui isn't really broken at all. In-fact, that's kind of the point of her character. She's the only kinda sane person in a cast full of weirdos. Sure, she has dandere autism, but that's a small price to pay.

>>20501166
Wasn't she also abused by Akiha's father like Kohaku? At least she gained her phlegmatic behavior because of all that. Besides that she is pure housewife material. So yeah, Shiki setting with her or Akiha are the very possible outcomes. Yet I see no option if Shiki is made to maintain Tohno's family status. He wouldn't be able to marry neither of them.

>>20501262
Kohaku offered herself so Hisui didn't get abused, she acts like that because she feels guilty about that while Kohaku acts genki cause she wanted Hisui to keep being happy

>>20499159
Like the other guy said, Hisui isn't too fucked up plot or character-wise, but I still think Akiha is the best natural fit for Shiki. Shiki lives too loose and slovenly and needs someone like Akiha to impose some rules and order in his life.

https://twitter.com/aniplexUSA/status/1078410316906663938

>that idiot who thinks it's Tsukihime
lol

>>20502110
Be afraid of Tsukihime with Arturia instead of Arcueid.

>>20502178
*Altria

>>20502110
Strange that Aniplex USA would be announcing that too, since it's not even airing outside of Japan.
It probably is something big

Reminder that Rin in Extra is a sadist, which officially makes her /bestgirl/.

>>20502208
I doubt it's anything we don't already know about.

>>20502244
Implying she wouldn't dominate Shirou into her lap bitch just like Illya if other mages hadn't been that dangerous.

>>20502244
>Any sadist girl being better than Reines

That /a/ thread made me even more annoyed, thankfully there were people shitting on GO, bit those defending it have legitimate brain damage.
They fail to understand how it and Fate in general is making everything else fucked.
The best explanation of GO's fundamental problems of existing is of course Dullahan's tirade.
It is like they have zero understanding of TM prior to GO existing, the same problem was around with Zero.

>>20502640
Imagine how shocked some fans were during initial FSN release. After KnK and Tsukihime Nasu rolled out some superhero battle royal thing.
>the same problem was around with Zero
How so? Zero is somewhat well aligned with FSN. Must be newfags influx in general. Yet I can't cope with FGO as a main franchise drivier, it's just too much bullshit for me. It must be like Wh40k fans felt about Dawn of War fans.

>>20502753
Zero itself was fine, just that it began the problems with secondaries and newfags in general.
The ufotable side of works have been fine, the side aligned by Extra, Apocalypse and what not leading to GO has made the problem the whole existance.

>>20502917
Goddamn phoneposting, consider it a pun.

>>20502256
Considering Moonlight Lostroom last year, I'd say there's a decent likelyhood of some original shit by nasu.

>>20502389
I like how legitimately fucked up she is internally, and how she manages to hide it relatively well around people she doesn't know.
I wanna be Reines's punching bag!

>>20475738
>>20476637
The Berserker is a Kijo:
http://yokai.com/kijo/

It's a bridal outfit, not a priest one.

The most famous kijo too: 紅葉 is read as Koyo there, but we know her as Momiji too:

http://yokai.com/momiji/

Requiem's world is some crazy shit
Hope we get spoilers tomorrow https://twitter.com/meteor_/status/1078466274445844480

>>20503612
It looks like there's little landmass and is mostly some waterworld?

>>20503612
>That colosseum in the back

>>20503612
Judging by the series description, it looks like this timeline is about to get pruned.

>>20503633
>Proto Gil flooded the world during the great war

>>20503647
Not really? Just cause it's an end of the world scenario, you don't have to instantly associate it with boring nu-Fate timeline prunning shit. Requiem seems pretty far from the likes of FGO and Extella so far, I think Meteo wants to do his own thing.

Ufo adaptions are shit because they didn't include these important lines

>>20503765
As much as I love UBW, it unironically bothered me to see an alarm clock in Shirou's bedroom.

>>20503765
I really need to read these lines in the original Japanese one day.

>>20503794
Yeah I have no idea why the fuck they did that.

>>20503675
BASED.

>>20503675
Proto Gil's noble phantasm is possibly one of the funniest, most impractical and dumb ones out there

>>20503612
IM SHOCK !!! This is too beautiful.

>>20503879
An idiot with a mythological worldwide deluge is more worrisome than funny, especially when he's petty enough to drop it on a single guy because his number is higher.

>>20503984
I want to fuck Ayaka.

>>20503794
From what I’ve gathered from interviews, especially UBW anime era, current Shirou is kind of a compromise between what Nasu wanted to do and what the audience expects. Originally he wanted him to be even more emotionally lacking and never smile, but eroge needs its comedy SOL so he’s he just ends up as an awkward slightly beta dork because Nasu couldn’t go as full broken human being as he wanted but couldn’t have him crack jokes either.

>>20504222
That's a shame. Thematically Shirou is really cool and I like a lot of the concepts surrounding him, but I've always found him incredibly insufferable thanks in large part to that awkwardness surrounding his character and how absolutely moronic he acts at times. Because of this it's really hard for me to appreciate his character. Ironically, I think if he had been emotionally more damage like you say, I probably would have found it easier to enjoy him.

>>20495690
Ciel is pretty fine but in general I wish more people had that level of passion for what they like.

If you're going to dedicate lots of time on something you may as well make it something you love.

>>20504222
If Shirou was broken as Nasu wanted, FSN wouldn't even be an eroge. All those sex scenes are also wildly out of character for Shirou if you know his distortion.

>>20504565
In the way they are now, sure, but I could've seen it going in a purely pragmatic fashion. Only mana related stuff or dealing with Sakura's libido and 0 emotional involvement on Shirou's end. Hell, it could've made the Sakura scenes a lot more interesting in particular.

>>20503612
looks like akihabara all jumbled up

>>20504574
Case Files new vol soon !!

>>20505055
>>20504574
Hope that new anime project would be Case Files anime

Promotional art from NOCO (Fate/Requiem illustrator)

Im having some problems getting F/HA to run, Im following the instructions but every time I try I get an error, anyone know a fix I cant seem to find anyone with the same problem online?

>>20505617
Try starting it with administrator privileges and/or Japanese locale.

>>20505633
Thanks, changing the locale fixed it

>>20505683
How did you manage to install it without locale change?

>>20505706
I have no idea

Is it ok to exploit retards?

>>20505382
The art is pretty neato. They did a good job.

If Angry Manjaw got his ding dong chopped off how did he give Caren the jackhammer?

>>20505970
He has a new host made by the grail. When did he lost his ding dong again?

>>20506002
When he was mutilated and made into Angra Mainyu. I'm pretty sure I remember reading something about castration/genital mutilation mentioned somewhere.

>>20506063
Following your logic he should've had barely usable body in general, not just with beninsula absence. So lets agree on assumption of full body restoration by the grail.

This is your adult Shirou (Requiem) tonight. Say something nice about his fashion sense!

>>20506486
Cool!

>>20506486
I really hope that's not actually Shirou

>>20506526
Really, anon? You want some more Kotomine Shiro tier bullshit?

>>20506533
I would rather them stop recycling Shirou entirely. Does he really need to be shoved into every spin off?

>>20506537
No, but I think shitty bait and switches are even worse.

>>20506533
>>20506537
>>20506563
how about if someone wants somebody that looks like shirou in their story, they actually wrote shirou into their story?

nasu already turned him into a nigger, not like any other writer can fuck up more.

>>20506486
He looks like a teenager going through his edgy phase

>>20505896
people that spent money on FGO are honestly poor souls.

other gacha games atleast have pvp in them so you kinda get a return investment for your money.

the only kind of content FGO has is upgrading servants. that's all there is.

This is too cute awwwwwwwww

>>20507227
What evils is Reines planning?

>>20507227
Cute
el-Melloi anime soon!!

>>20506782

>you kinda get a return on investment

It's the exact opposite. PvP elements fool retards even more because their competitive side gets the better of their wallets and they start justifying their purchases because there's often PvP-only prizes when in reality it's only a temporary power boost until the powercreep comes and makes any money they invested in old shit worthless. At least with a PvE-only game, the devs don't have to balance the PvP Meta and introduce/force powercreep to keep people on the treadmill. FGO gets away with it by giving people """""good storylines""""" and a chance to experience them with their favorite servants assuming they are lucky/rich enough to get them.

>>20493566
Shouldn't Zouken be somewhere in there?

Bets on the announcements on the 31st?

Aside from the El-Melloi adaptation, I personally think the time is ripe for Notes. Anything Notes. I just want it to be adapted or continued in some way.

>>20507744
That's cute, anon.

>>20507744
But the 31st stream is a Fate Animation Project stream isn't it ?

>>20508091
To be fair, that teaser has always been just "TYPE-MOON / TROYCA". However, it was announced during a GO shit stream, and it's airing during the Fate stream, yeah.
I think it's just cause Case Files doesn't have "Fate" in the title, or they would've announced it as "New Fate Project" for more buzz.

https://www.4gamer.net/games/266/G026651/20181228023/
new Nasu interview

>>20508347
>設定そのものが，キャラデザの違いに対する説明になるんですよ。
"the very setting (of the heroic spirit system) servers to explain the differences in character designs."

nasu....

>>20508468
What does he mean by that? Another lame excuse, I guess?

>>20508522
yes. "It's okay every character has a different artstyle because they come from different time periods" or some shit. doesn't make any sense.

>>20508347
>自分を含めたメインの3人は「『FGO』が続く限りにおいて，今までどおりの活動はできない」という覚悟のもとで，3年間続けています。
"We 3 ( nasu, sakurai, higashide ) have continued to work on FGO for 3 years fully knowning it would prevent us from working like we did in the past."

earlier he says he told higashide and sakurai to cut their non-fgo related work by 70% when he made them main writers

>>20508563
Interesting that he acknowledges this, hope they intend to move on to better things before too long.

>>20508347
Read it. Typical Nasu these days, really. Boring and predictable.

>>20508597
but what about the part ending fgo on part 2

>>20508602
Probably moving to a new app, it sounds like

>>20508613
if fgo ends in part 2 they might do tsukihime event since nasu said about using fgo part 2 story to promote remake so either 2019 or 2020

>>20508602
Nasu talking about ending things is about as hilarious as the town alcoholic saying he's really getting it together this time. How many times has he said he's "ending" Fate now? I've lost count.

>>20508602
As overjoyed as I would be if this happened, Nasu's word is legitimately worthless at this point.
He is literally on record saying Mahoyo 2 and 3 would come a couple of years after part 1.
He is literally on record saying Extra CCC would be his final Fate work.

Interviews like this may tell you what he's feeling at the moment, but that changes at the drop of a hat. I don't think we'll be free of GO cancer so soon.

>>20508618
Technically didn't he say he would only do that *after* they released the Remake?

>>20508613
Wouldn't it be really funny if Tsukihime Remake ended up being its own mobage

>>20508682
I'd cry

>>20508682
maybe it will also be on the phones and pc

>>20508347
>ただ，「UNDERTALE」をやってから“いいゲームをやりたい熱”が上がっちゃって。我慢できずに「Marvel’s Spider-Man」を買っちゃいました。まぁ，今は封印して「来週の土日に遊ぶぞー！」と思いながら毎日を過ごしているんですが……。
lmao

>>20508682
I wonder how rare 100% Arc would be.

seems that Nasu acknowledges that the old fans think FGO is superficial, at least

>>20508347
so the reason FGO isn't ever implementing NP skip is because Nasu won't let them.

top fucking kek

>>20508724
I'll take it as a sign of him being focused on working on something else.

>Aniplex has apparently given the OK for part 2's ending
Fuck, I don't want to fall for the lying man, but this is making me unreasonably excited and hopeful that TM really will abandon FGO and let it rot in the hands of other writers like the
soulless sellout trash that it is (which they should've done from the beggining)

>>20508761
That's neat. It's just a shame he let old fans completely dry of good content for 3 years, even while knowing that.

>>20508777
>It's just a shame he let old fans completely dry of good content for 3 years, even while knowing that.
More like 5 desu
arguably 7 if you don't fall for the "CCC is so great guys, all the ebin Masada homages" memes

>>20508777
They've only said that Part 2's story is fine, they never said anything about ending it there, only that Nasu and co would be fine with finishing with F/go2

>>20508792
Depends on how conclusive part 2 's ending is, but I get what you mean.

>>20508792
梶田氏：
　おお……また死ねない理由がひとつできてしまった。疑うわけではないのですが，「FGO」としては本当に第2部で完結するのでしょうか？

奈須氏：
　用意したプロットとしては，第2部で終了する予定です。なので第2部までにできること，やりたいことを全部やり切るつもりです。……怖いのは，プレイヤーさんに「まだ続きを見たい」と言われてしまうことですね。

Can someone who konws japanese translate the part about TM being less involved and Nasu wanting to stop being on charge after part 2?
Because this coupled with Nasu statment about knowing his OG fans think FGO is shit is making me really optimistic but everything has been shit for years so I just can't believe things are going to change for the better

>>20508803
Y'all f[riends] better not ask for a continuation. I literally just want my Notes adaptation or Tsukihime remake.

>>20508813
Why do you keep bringing up Notes? Nasu has already took some of the only parts he likes about it and recycled it into Extra and GO anyway. Notes is dead, bro. Just let it go.

i read somewhere that Sacchin had a art with ero scene with her is it true

>>20508843
As far as I recall I think there's some sketches of her nude but no H scene

>>20508810
He only said that he started fixing less stuff the other writers wrote when part 2 started. he went from 20% to 10%.

also he doesn't want to stop being in charge after part 2, they want to end the fucking game. from the way he worded it they'll probably re-release it as single player game with updated systems later.

>>20508843
There's a sketch of her planned h-scene in Tsukihime + Disc

There's no way the game will end with Part 2. You guys really think they will kill the golden goose like this? Or that they will be allowed to do so?

The main story will end, but the app will continue, it'll keep getting seasonal Events and Ebin of Filler 2.0 spin-off/one-shots-tier story events forever and maybe once in a blue moon a big thing to kill a Beast and what-not. All this doomposting is silly and you should know by know to not trust Kinoko "CCC is my final Fate work" Nasu. He even said that what he's saying is "how things are right now and everything can change in the future.

The only real thing you guys should truly get about this is that after Part 2 is over Nasu and his nepotism buttbuddies circlejerk will finally stop putting all their energy in FGO and maybe just maybe start working on something a little more substantial while they let others keep the money machine running for free.

>>20508866
Sure. But you can kill FGO for half of its fanbase just by saying: "Nasu is no longer involved."

>>20508846
>>20508853
does anybody on tmg has it

>>20508871
Not really, Nasu didn't write the majority of the story for f/go

>>20508871
Oh yes, I'm sure all the triple quaternaries who're here only to roll for anime waifus and get their gacha dopamine rush who have never read the VN care so much about that. Get real son.

>>20508866
Well, yes, as I think most of us have learned by now, trusting the "lying adult" is pretty silly.

>>20508871
I think you're overestimating the fanbase. Also, Nasu's involvement in it is, by his own admission, fairly small anyway. FGO is a machine that can operate perfectly fine without him, honestly. At least for a time. It will eventually go the way of Kantai and die down after a few years regardless of his involvement or not.

>Nasu uses half of his time to dedicate to FGO as project. While he thinks some hardcore fans of TM think it's shallow because it widened to the mass appeal, Nasu says the "core" of what makes TM is still the same, and you realise it at the end.

>>20508889
>Nasu says the "core" of what makes TM is still the same

>>20508851
I doubt FGO will truly end
They just either have some outline for the future or will get another director/the usual hacks who help Nasu and keep things in check with Nasu so they don't do any extremely retarded stuff in the lore
Meanwhile Nasu will do his own thing or just do nothing at all and enjoy the free money until FGO dies on it's own

>>20508880
Did you read the article?
Aside from being a writer, his job consists of checking everything the others write, doing corrections, writing intros and outros for each chapter, making flavortext and choosing which people gets to write flavortext, actually getting writers, and a whole sleuth of others.

You can say that the first few episodes of FGO was a trainwreck but imagine if Nasu actually gave them true FREEDOM to write.

Nasu IS the main writer of FGO no matter how you dice it.

>>20508810
the nasuverse is fucking raped to the ground man. it doesn't even matter if FGO stops.

It's like your girlfriend being kidnapped and raped by a disgusting dude in his basement for 3 years. the police might eventually rescue her, and she might even learn to act normal again with therapy, but things will never be the same.

How are you even supposed to tell a more tradtional TM story in a post FGO world? it's impossible to return to urban fantasy after FGO and extella put in so much over the top lore. everything is about the fate of the entire world, timeline and multiverse now.

>>20508889
>Nasu says the "core" of what makes TM is still the same, and you realise it at the end.
Fuck you Nasu. Go die you retarded mushroom.

>>20508902
>everything is about the fate of the entire world
Angry Manjew would have destroyed the entire world if left unchecked.

>timeline and multiverse now.
Because the original VN didn't have three routes, a gorillion of endings and lol Kaleido?

inb4 doesn't count for my arbitrary reasons

>>20508901
>his job consists of checking everything the others write, doing corrections
Can't imagine he does much considering how much garbage still gets through
Good to know how much character assassination he personally approves of though

>>20508902
No one cares about your masturbation fantasies. TM hasn't changed very much, it's just gotten bigger.

would it be cool if the next type moon game will be developed by people who does yakuza games with nasu as a writer

梶田氏:
おお……また死ねない理由がひとつできてしまった。疑うわけではないのですが,「FGO」としては本当に第2部で完結するのでしょうか?

奈須氏:
用意したプロットとしては,第2部で終了する予定です。なので第2部までにできること,やりたいことを全部やり切るつもりです。……怖いのは,プレイヤーさんに「まだ続きを見たい」と言われてしまうことですね。

梶田氏:
あぁ……それは100%言われると思います。

奈須氏:
そうなった場合,「FGO」であれば“終わりの先”を描くことになるんですが,正直に言って地続きなお話にするのはかなり大変です。……可能ではあるんですが。

basically Nasu WANTS FGO's story to be done after Part 2, but if fans really want more then he can try to make more but it will be difficult.
Also, earlier in the interview, the interviewer asked if Nasu would continue making FGO content after the story is over, and he said yes

basically, the story may or may not be over but Nasu still wants to create events and stuff

>>20508902
Come on dude
It's true that the absolute state of TM is garbage
It's true that FGO is really different and the scale is absurdly big compared to the past
It's true that Nasu has gotten worse at writting
But if he actually has the balls to end or stop caring about the money making machine I don't see why he couldn't just have fun on his own with small scale setting if he wants to

>>20508933
TM sure as hell changed a ton, the newer content is absolutely nothing like what TM used to be known for.
However, that anon is blowing it out of proportion in how much the lore changes matter, anyone could go back and just ignore the new shit (see Fate/strange Fake), and Nasu could totally do a proper VN in his better, grounded urban fantasy settings.

>>20508946
I don't doubt that he could, but he needs to do what he did with DDD and keep it seperate.

I can't fucking take this universe seriously anymore.

>>20508934
I can see that working. A real TM game would be wonderful, we haven't had any since Melty Blood.

>>20508954
Why don't you just move on instead? It sounds like it would be better for your mental health rather than keep endlessly pining for a "change" you know will never come but you keep hoping for anyway.

>>20508949
Tsukihime 2's plans were already going to ditch the urban fantasy element, FGO going there first doesn't change anything.

>>20508968
move on to where faggot? everyone is just imitating FGO

>>20508968
If we were capable of doing that, /jp/ wouldn't exist.

>>20508969
Come on anon, are you really gonna be a GOfag in /tmg/? There was never anything solid about Tsukihime 2 nor was it ever in development, and the bits of ideas we know about it certainly don't ditch the setting.
And FGO's issues go much further beyond the setting changes, point is, there's still room for Nasu to write good stuff in spite of how awful the last few years have been.

>>20508980
Make your new own special snowflake series then. There's no better way to criticize something than doing it yourself except better. Many renowned artists and creators started that way, the next one could be you.

>>20508938
Well, that kinda sucks, but it's better than continuing indefinitely I guess.

>>20508924
Not him, but I see people bring up this defense quite a lot, and I never really understood why. You're talking about different extremes here; the endings in the original FSN were all very plausible and could be followed logically within their own context. Everything connected together fairly well and each route was part of the overall thematic structure that encompassed the entire visual novel. However, the expansive and more extreme nature of the modern timeline and multiverses of the TM verse nowadays is a lot more slapdash, I'd argue. It hardly feels like some grand design and is utilized more for the purposes of convenience, not to mention it has retroactively ruined some characters and themes of his previous works.
>>20508933
>TM hasn't changed very much
It has changed a lot, though. And for the worse. The quality of writing has gone down the gutter from Extra onwards especially.
>>20508969
Tsuki 2 honestly isn't even worth bringing up and is even more loose in its conception than Notes.

>>20508983
>>20508980
I believe in you, anon. Be the next Higashide-Nasu-Narita protege.

>>20508992
I'd hope no one would ever want to be a Higashitty protege.

>>20508989
This is no TM exclusive phenomena, it happens to nearly all series that decide to dabble on multiverses and timelines and making new entries of the franchise on them, couple that with a resounding success and gotta keep the cash machine going and the giant will start having deformities as it cannot bear it's own weight anymore. It sucks, but it cannot be helped, not everyone has a mind of steel like ZUN.

people keep saying you can just ignore all the retarded lore, but there's a reason people reboot the fuck out of everything possible.

>>20509014
You're correct, and I'm not saying it's exclusive to this series at all. But that doesn't really make me more accepting or any less critical of it.

That being said I'm not particularly super angry about it, either. I've moved on. Mostly. I don't really care that much where TM as a corporation goes anymore - it's not healthy for my mind nor does Nasu deserve my anger. Hell, if Tsukihime: R really did come out as a mobage or something as equally pandering I would laugh, not cry.

>>20508961
it has everything
>MC who will be OP just like yakuza protagonists
>town like Kamurucho to explore
>the sidestories wich will add more wholesome moments into the gwme

>>20509034
>You're correct, and I'm not saying it's exclusive to this series at all. But that doesn't really make me more accepting or any less critical of it
Fair enough. I can agree with you on that regard.

>Mostly. I don't really care that much where TM as a corporation goes anymore - it's not healthy for my mind nor does Nasu deserve my anger.
I'm of similar thought regarding TM as well, there's no point in dwelling endlessly about it nor getting angry either, it already happened, the point of no return has been reached, there's no going back, those dreamlike days are over. I'm good enough with still casually being into the series and enjoying some things here and there.

>>20509040
>I'm good enough with still casually being into the series and enjoying some things here and there.
Yeah. And there are occasionally moments where even GO has good parts that shine through, and those discussions can sometimes be nice. Honestly, the GO community itself gets me more angry than anything TM does these days. I mean, all big fanbases are like that as well. It's not particularly GO exclusive, but they tend to annoy me more than some other groups.

>>20509050
I blame the modern internet for that type of attitude and behavior more than anything else. Everyone simply, for lack of a better descriptor, is taking the internet way too seriously. Fanbases have become borderline cults/religions and it brings about all the ugliness such organizations also have. Everyone is always angry, looking for conflict one way or another and more focused on making others not enjoy things than enjoy things themselves.

No matter what gets announced on the 31st or whether FGO will get shut down, I'm glad I'm on this ride with you people.

It's true being too passionate about things that already passed is bad but I guess as long as we have each other to keep us in check we won't be too angry for nothing.

>>20508572
>better things
He calls FGO the culmination of his dream, he never really wanted to write VNs, he was forced to for money. He wanted to do RPGs.

You called him a sold out, but seems like Tsukihime and FSN and Mahoyo were the true sell outs.

>>20509095
yes, he talks for several pages about how much jrpgs like chrono trigger inspired him and then goes on to create a gacha game with the bare minimum gameplay possible and the extra series.

>>20509095
Believe that if you want, but if he wanted to do a proper RPGs he could've done much better. He failed with Extra to make a good game, and then instead of learning from that, he failed a hundred times harder with FGO. It's ridiculous that Nasu loves good games, and then does nothing but write for awful games.
Regardless of his personal feelings, it's obvious that the only medium to have brought about his full potential so far has been VNs. If he wants to write for games, at least give it a solid attempt.

>>20508777
He literally said there is a possibility of an "after the end", please.

>>20509135
he also didn't state what form it would take, just as he didn't state their exact plans are for post-shutdown.

there's no point to argue about it when they haven't even decided themselves

>>20509095
Nasu and Takeuchi have always been pretty opportunistic, yes, but you also have to remember that pretty much anything Nasu says can be taken with a grain of salt. I mean, he talks up his influences about gameplay titles, his tabletop origins, and so on, but then you look at all the gameplay titles he's been involved with, and literally the only one with gameplay of any merit was the one the French Bread put through, and it's not exactly the kind of genre he seems to have wanted to be involved in. Extra and CCC have god-awful gameplay, Extella is just derivative musou with poor production values, and GO is very mediocre as well.

That being said it's pretty clear that Nasu never really cared about visual novels and especially eroge. He betrayed the medium the second he was famous enough to do so, and it's also the same reason why I never expected Tsukihime: R to be a traditional VN in the first place (if it ever comes out, that is)

The interesting thing about some creative people, is that they tend to do better in a limited or unwanted environment. It's when they finally reach a more comfortable area and chase their actual dreams that they become complacent.

Hitler wanted to be an artist and he ended up killing millions of people and almost conquered europe

maybe that was his intended art piece

>>20509152
>The interesting thing about some creative people, is that they tend to do better in a limited or unwanted environment. It's when they finally reach a more comfortable area and chase their actual dreams that they become complacent.
As it is said, restriction breeds creativity.
What will come out of a creator writing 20 hours per day, barely sleeping, and barely making meet-ends for food and end will obviously be different than something that comes out from a creator who's become a millionaire without a single material worry in the world.

>>20508810
Nasu said *some* of the die-hard TM fans were quick to judge it as superficial but in HIS opinion, even if the writing was made for greater mass appeal, the core remained intact, so insist they'll play and check out how it comes together. In other words, he completely dismisses any criticism.

Don't let the retard cherrypicks here fool you. He's professionally happy, in fact, he wants to end it not because he's 'tired' but because he's realized and wants to deliver a high note ending that would make everyone happy. One that makes people feel empty when is no longer there as he felt with his favorite games, which he cited as an inspiration for FGO. But he doesn't dismiss the possibility of an 'after the end' scenario, just saying how he envisioned and is arranging right now.

The way he talked about VN is pretty clear he doesn't like that medium though, so explains the delays of other projects. His heart isn't in there. He always wanted to make a RPG.

>>20509175
he said he spents 50% of his time on FGO, I have no idea if this includes sleep hours. It's a wonder he even managed to shit out extella. well, I guess he needed to for FGO part 2.

>>20509194
I would assume he meant 50% of his working hours and not 50% of his whole life.

>>20509110
The project was always a RPG though which began with Apocrypha (which later evolved into a LN by Higashide), Takeuchi just suggested mobage medium since computer games were less popular nowadays. Something they didn't expect to explode as it did. It's unhealthy to hate on Nasu's happiness.

>>20509194
He literally writes events for FGO based on his vacations and favorite movies. Dude gets inspiration and applies it.

>>20509215
>caring more about the happiness of a rich man you don't know and who hasn't made anything worthwhile in years, over the state of a universe and characters you actually care about

>>20509215
Takeuchi really has a knack for calling out the what will make money choices. Nasu is nothing without him.

>>20509212
奈須氏：
　今，僕の時間の半分は「FGO」に使っています

I wouldn't be so sure honestly

>>20509235
And yet he's made gorillions out of those so called worthless things while you're here getting upset about it living out of autismbucks and not having left the house in 4 years.

>>20509238
Takeuchi is also the reason why FGO became less jew. He's working his ass off to make it more accessible to everyone. You can shit on his art, but you have to respect him as a CEO who looks after the fans.

>>20509268

Is this it? Are we finally free?

>>20509285
Don't speak too soon, anon. Nasu is not trustworthy. Let's ride out the rest of this mess before celebrating.