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Shiki can kill Servants.
Discuss.

>>20408081
Which Shiki are we talking about here?

>>20408089
The one with magic eyes.

>>20408102
That doesn't really narrow it down.

How did Kurogiri Satsuki leave Atlas ? Is it because of his Sealing Designation because as far as i know, there is a unwritten rule in Atlas that "leaving Atlas is a crime"

>>20408296
Probably ran away as soon as he got the Sealing Designation and went into hiding, much like Touko.
If he'd survived another year, they might've revoked it (since that's apparently what happened in 2000).

>>20408081
I get that it's a meme and all but he can't really kill any of them. All of them have longer reach (even if they're melee oriented) and are much quicker.
> Saber (arturia)
The lines of death Shiki's going to see on Excalibur are the ones for Invisible Air, so even if he manages to try and parry the blade he won't be able to destroy it before Saber cuts him down
> Archer
He can just shoot him
> Lancer
Probably dies, but he could gay bulge him or just stab him with a spear because it's longer and he's quicker
> Rider
Her daggers have a long range and besides she can just glare at him and it's game over
> Caster
She'd just blow him up with a spell
> Assassin
Sneaky stabby or he can just use his daggers
> False Asassin
Grorious nippon steel doesn't have lines of death
> Berserker
He'd mow him down like Saber.

Am I stupid for not being able to enjoy Fate anymore due do the burst of popularity it got from FGO?

>>20408585
Yes. Just pretend that F/GO doesn't exist. F/SN and F/HA are the only two Fate VNs that exist.

So Mahoyo TL never?

>>20408612
Yes. See the last /tmg/. Though on the other hand this might motivate someone else to start translating from scratch.

Am I going crazy or does F/SN Realta Nua have a track from Tsukihime? I'm (re)playing through the Fate route now and I'm on the first day where Taiga plays a prank on Shirou and leaves. The track is the TV noise in the background and at least a part of it consists of a Tsukihime track.

>>20408670
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yHC1lictPGY

>>20408700
Yep. That's the one.

>>20408670
Yes anon, the TV news in FSN is straight from Tsukihime.

>>20408612
I still have the scripts I translated last month, but the happenings sure make this whole affair awkward as fuck. feels surreal honestly.

>>20408670
Yes it does, it is SE2 which is a medley of Tsukihime and Kagetsu Tohya's OST.

>>20408475
>When he killed Arcueid, 17 cuts landed in "an instant".
>This is on the same level as 5th grail war Asassin's Tsubame Gaeshi. This is in fact canon. Non only that, but Arcueid was not able to notice she was being followed, nor feel any killing intent from Tohno until the blade already killed her. This is on the same level as asassin servant presence concealment.

>In the official Tsukihime manga, Shiki was capable of slicing and killing lightning shot at him by Roa. A low estimate of the speed required for this would land at 96,000MPH, which is the atmospheric discharge of lightning at denser levels (closer to lower altitudes.)

>Tying together presence concealment, Zelretch level ability (flash sheath), and A class speed, Shiki could in fact stand a chance against most servants. His trump card that would place him above anything summoned under asassin card would be that he essentially has an instant kill move if he ever gets near, making him a very deadly oponent.

>To use concrete evidence of Shiki proving himself time and time again, we can look at who in fact he has killed.

>Nrvnqsr Chaos the 10th apostle. In one attack Tohno managed to kill all 666 of his lives.

>Michael Roa Valdamjong, said to be immortal by traveling between Akasha and back, "reincarnating". Tohno severed his connection to Akasha, erasing his existance.

>It's good to take note here, that Servants are tied to the Akashic record in the throne of heroes, which is what allows them to be summoned in the first place. When shiki kills a servant, they can no longer be summoned. Sounds like just the kind of person Archer was looking for.

>In the "Talk" side story for Tsukihime, Tohno manged to kill the forest of Einnashe, the seventh dead apostle. He also managed to kill Einnashe's reality marble.

this motherfucker beat up a FOREST, all ryougi ever did was beat up:

>a drug dealer she went to high school with
>a high schooler with a disability
>a terminally ill woman
>a hotel manager

>>20409355
Araya did nothing wrong, all he wanted to do was to save kids and smoke his magic weed.

>>20409355
killed his entire franchise too

>>20409355
holy shit this pasta is ancient

>>20409355
> Stealth
Ok, so he can fool Arcueid. That doesn't mean he can fool a Servant. Servants are (most of them) warriors who have sharp instincts (some to the point where it's an actual skill). Arcueid is super cute but she's used to hunting creatures and exterminating them. She's not a soldier and she's not used to being stalked.
> Slashing lightning
I attributed that to his connection with Roa/Shiki. But I'll give you that he's fast.
> death toll
I'm not arguing against that. He can kill them if he can actually cut them. What I'm saying is that he won't be able to. I'll agree that he can kill someone like Lancer who will definitely engage in CQC, or Archer, who will probably opt for using his swords. But he won't be able to defeat the rest of the F/SN cast
> Saber
Her instinct warned her against Gae Bolg and Tsubame Gaeshi and she dodged (more or less) both. She's got the speed and the foresight to dodge Shiki's attacks and keep her distance. I very much doubt he can destroy something like Excalibur easily and like I said he's likely to his Invisible Air first anyhow. In any case she can blast him with Invisible Air like she did with True Assassin and Shiki can't do shit about that.
> Archer
Can Shiki deal with a broken phantasm? I doubt it. But chances are Archer will charge at him with his swords so it doesn't matter. Shiki might take this
> Lancer
Same as Archer
> Rider
Seeing how she treated Shirou suggests that she'd go for an ambush. Shiki has a change to destroy her daggers, in which case Rider will just petrify him. And she's the fastest Servant in the HGW which means that she'll definitely be able to match his speed.
> Caster
Shiki might kill Kuzuki, and if he does that then Caster absolutely decimate him along with half of wherever they are. Sure he can destroy Roa's magic but Caster can overwhelm him with sheer quantity
> Assassin (True)
He might be evenly matched. If Shiki can deflect/destroy his daggers then Assassin may be defeated
> Assassin (False)
Shiki can probably win this. Assassin has no ranged options and no special insight
> Berserker
Shiki may win if Berserker's Instinct equivalent is not as good as Saber's Instinct. We see it working against the Shadow in HF but that may be because it's connected to the grail rather than it being a danger in general.

>>20409447
>Arcueid is super cute but she's used to hunting creatures and exterminating them. She's not a soldier and she's not used to being stalked.
before he retconned Tsukihime, Nasu did say Arcueid had the powerlevel of 3 servants at only 30% power so I imagine her instincts should be just as sharp, if not sharper.

>>20409470
Why? He was talking about power, meaning strength, endurance, and agility. Instincts are something a person develops or something that's granted as a skill (like with Saber). Arcueid doesn't have any experience as a warrior. She's more of a predator. If anything, her strength is much more likely to dull her instincts because, in her own words, she can only be hurt and killed by a handful of things in the entire world.

>>20409355
>a hotel manager
Cracks me up

>>20409499
sure. logically speaking. but we're talking about a chuu2 writer like Nasu, and i don't think he's ever brought up things like that kind of instinct and had it be relevant in an intelligent fashion. i mean, remember that interview he had where he talked about how Gil could basically know the entire extent of someone's abilities just by looking at them? but somehow he never actually applies that ability in all of Fate (to be fair that interview was after the fact, iirc)

though, really, the truth of the matter is is that power level discussions are fundamentally pointless since Nasu will bend the rules depending on which way he wants to write the scenario.

Arc boobie

>>20409623
tfw no vampire milkies

>>20409623
>>20409746
Will sucking on her breast milk make one immortal?

>>20409802
Uh
Hm.
Good question, actually. Though I suppose one has to ascertain whether or not she's even capable of breeding in the first place. I mean surely they gave her titties and a vagina for reasons, right. Surely the other TAs didn't just go, "Hey let's make this blonde bombshell with titties and ass and not give her breeding capabilities" right?

>>20409812
> Surely the other TAs didn't just go
Or maybe they did. If I were in charge of making a killing machine, or any kind of machine really, I'd definitely make it cute.

tfw you realize Arc can't breastfeed her baby because of this

>>20409856
wouldn't her babies be some half-vampire abominations who feed on human blood anyway?

>>20409869
It's possible but I'm used to fiction making halfies adapt more human characters than whatever other race they had degenerate sex with.

>>20408081
Shiki is a servant.

>>20408585
Half-yes and half-no.
Half-yes because that just makes you a hipster faggot who was only into it for I'm into something obscure not many people cared about creed.
Half-no because it's really easy to understand why so many casuals are now into the thing you used to be, and only on a superficial manner, and have completely over-taken it and become the main fanbase while you the loyal fan from day 1 has been completely forgotten and overshadowed by and for them and the franchise has drastically changed since so long ago.
Basically, everything's fucked and there's no winning either way.

Are the Fate/Zero LNs worth reading or did the anime hit all the right notes?

>>20411734
>or did the anime hit all the right notes?
No. It started to butcher (heh) things midway and specially at the ending. Read them for a fuller experience.

How did the Church have the Black Barrel ? Cause it was made by Atlas right ?

Best girl?

>>20412797
Shinji-ko.

>>20412864
She'd be a complete and utter bitch, though, and a possibly lesbian (depending on whose genders are also swapped) molester.

>>20412889
>implying that is a bad thing

>>20407951
>French Translation: https://github.com/IDerr/mahoyo-french

what happened to the English translation?

>>20412797
Obviously Shinji, followed by Archer.

>>20413023
Dead.

>>20412905
whom are you- you know

>>20413023
I wish I didn't stop learning French. Are there any Frenchfags here to attest to the quality of the translation?

>>20413480
it's good enough. Don't know for the translation but the french is well written

>>20413504
Maybe someone will translate it into English.

>>20413504
I checked scenes Mcjon fucked up and they were correct in the FR translation. They might have made other errors somewhere, but I'm not going to read through the whole thing

>>20413653
>Mcjon fucked up

explain?

Why is a mesoamerican goddess dancing to afro-brazilian music to celebrate a christian holiday?

>>20413113
>modern vn without voices
>unsufferable MC
>no voices
>incredibly shit development between the leads
>Alice and Soujuuro have more chemistry together
>boring as shit outside the fighting scenes where the production values shine
>No proper advertising
>Short
>No proper advertising
>No voices and also short fur a 5,000 yen
>NO PROPER FUCKING ADVERTISING
>Mahoyo got axed and Prototype got rectconned out of existence

Mahoyo was really Nasu's passion project of finally having his first novel published. Why did it flop? What went wrong?

>>20413713
Just check around last thread or reddit, was cringe enough to make him kill the whole translation

>>20413725
writing an actual chrismas story story is too hard so it has to xdsorandom comedy, just like every other FGO event.

>>20413729
>Prototype got rectconned out of existence
Explain.

>>20413729
Who needs voices?

>>20413729
It went wrong when nasu completed writing the thing years before it actually released and TM took ages to finish everything else because it's just his hack circle of friends.

>>20413737
Nobody needs them, but we also don't really need CGs. But good voice acting and good CGs add to the experience and make VNs distinct from regular novels.

>>20413737
It's just has come to be an industry standard. Obviously people like Nasu and Ryukishi07 can decide not to follow them, but they should be allowed to be criticized for it.

>>20412797
pic related

>>20413729
>muh voices
>muh child's attention span
Pleb successfully filtered.

Are there any pics/scans of the Heaven's Feel English BD Q&A posted online yet?

>>20413770
To be fair, a VN can get away with just character sprites and simple/photographic backgrounds.

>>20413962
It can, but I don't see why TypeMoon has to "get away" with things. Mahoyo released in 2012, well after Fate became one of the most successful VNs ever. It's not like they don't have the resources to hire seiyuu.

>>20414003
I remember it being about nasu not wanting voices because it would impact how the characters are perceived.

which just seems like a really bad excuse considering he's perfectly fine with working with companies that put voices onto everything he writes and has overseen several anime projects.

Honestly, sometimes it feels like if Nasu just wanted Mahoyo to fail so that he'd remove that weight off his back and just move on to other things and by other things I mean his ridiculous obsession with Extraverse and how he keeps rewriting for a gorillion times god knows why.

>>20414029
There is this funny tendency with successful creative people. They tend to sabotage their passion projects. By the time they can afford to work on whatever they want, their vision for the passion project has become so strong that it completely constrains the project. The result ends up worse than their sell-out projects, which forced them to improvise due to time constraints and market pressure.

>>20414138
As they say, restriction breeds creativity.

>The result ends up worse than their sell-out projects, which forced them to improvise due to time constraints and market pressure.
I'll forever maintain that the reason TM is nowhere as good as it used to be is that Takeuchi is not over Nasu's shoulder 24/7 telling him to stop being a lazy fuck and to get to writing and slapping his shit when he writes something retarded anymore because he's too busy managing the company. Couple that with the super duper nepotism they've got going where there's so many hacks who they allow to write and draw but they leave them anyway because they're their buddy buds and it's a recipe for disaster.

>>20414149
Is Takeuchi the one in charge of the business side?

>>20414166
He owns Type-Moon.

>>20414166
Takeuchi has always been the one with business sense. For example, he's the one who told Nasu to change his otomege into something that would actually sell.

>>20414166
he's the one who told nasu to put in sex scenes

>>20414442
They were pretty fun, even though they were more funny than arousing. The sole exception is Sakura/Rider's Eclipse in F/HA. That was fucking hot.

>>20413729
>Alice and Soujuuro have more chemistry together
That is the point.
Aoko is for nobody.

>>20413770
>>20413789
Nasu chose not to as it is written as the reader being an observer and not from a character.
Also because when you give voices to a character that really locks in their image, he wanted them to be more openly interpreted.

>>20413770
VNs didn't always have voices you know. Someday people will probably say the same about animated sprites.

>>20415731
Wow it's almost like things change over a period of 30 years or something and what is to be expected out of something also does accordingly!

>>20416008
It is also a special case in which things were made that way for a reason, which has been explained numerous times.
If you don't like it then you are basically okay with characters being less special.

>>20416029
>If you don't like it then you are basically okay with characters being less special.
Or how about I simply disagree with Nasu's reasoning about what makes something or not special? His word is not the end-all of narratives in certain mediums are to be made.

>>20416610
I still think adding voices makes a massive difference to perception.
I'm not comfortable with that.

>>20419434
How late could you possibly be, anon.

>>20414275
Why did Nasu want to do an otoge?

>>20419464
sorry

>>20419531
He likes shoujo manga

>>20419434
Its just shitty 2015 or casefiles.

>>20419434
>>20419464
Do we know more about it now? Is it going to be Fate?

>>20419591
We don't know anything, and I doubt they'll reveal any more before it airs.

>>20419624
They have their anual fate circlejerk on the new years, this time on national television, they'll reveal more there.

If theres going to be any other franchise news it's going to be then also.

>>20419640
Anon, the special airs during the New Year's broadcast.

>>20419643
well that's just going to be dissapointing as fuck then for anyone that still has grand delusions.

>>20419591
>Is it going to be Fate?
Anon, please.

>>20419650
Not sure what you expected? It was first announced as a NY special like 2 weeks ago. Sure, it could lead into a full series like Emiya Gohan last year, but don't expect more than something like Lostroom or First Order shit.

How much involvement does Nasu have with the Fate anime adaptions?

>>20419760
None if he hasn't written it, quite a bit if he has.

>>20419760
Who cares. Nasu is a hack.

Dis-Code making a Tsukihime-themed "perpetual calendar" for C95

"A great thing to use until the remake comes out"

>>20419531
"He" loves shoujo manga. "He" grew up reading it.

>>20419591
It was called Special Fate Original Anime. Yeah. I don't think it'll be very long since it's buddled with the Fate marathon.

>>20419760
The last time Nasu got involved we got the masterpiece called Last Encore. Make what you will of that.

>>20420009
I actually laughed when it turned out saver just straight up left twice to do his thing alone because he got bored.

>>20419949
Nice, I wonder how much years it will have on it.

>>20419997
What are you implying with those quotes? Is Nasu actually a female secretly?

>>20420063
>Ｑ：奈須きのこは本当に男なんですか

>Ａ：最近、自分でも自信がありません。背中にファスナーがついてるんだけど、これ、開けたらナニが出てくるんでだろう。

>Q: Is Nasu Kinoko really a man?

>A: Recently, I'm not even sure myself.　There's a zipper on my back, but I wonder what's going to appear, once it gets opened?

We'll know when the zipper gets pulled open.

>>20420151
Obvious joke. Women aren't autistic enough to make type moon shit.

>>20420151
Nasu is a mushroom, we already know.

>>20419587
2015 isn't shitty, it is very darn relevant.

>>20420174
Sakurai is a TM writter

>>20420063
No self-respecting man, not even a gay one, no matter how much shoujo and no matter how much he lived on a female dominated household, would so readily and willingly write about getting desired and fucked by King Arthur just like that.

>I'm a completely average and normal plain girl except I'm secretly a mage! But I'm actually super terrible at it except this one specific brand of magic that everyone says it's bad but it's actually secretly overpowered!
>I also have a inferiority complex because of my super beautiful older sister who's one of the best mages in all history who got all of my father's attention!
>And then one day I suddenly got thrown into a magical ritual where famous figures from history get summoned to do fight for a wish and I summoned King Arthur who immediately falls in love with me and then later Gilgamesh and Cu Chulainn also fall for me and they start fighting for my affections!
>Also, when I remove my glasses I become a super duper ultra mega 10/10 beauty!

The original Fate is something straight out of Twilight. I thank God every day for Takeuchi slapping some sense into Nasu because otherwise we wouldn't even be here talking shit about him.

>>20421012
>No self-respecting man, not even a gay one, no matter how much shoujo and no matter how much he lived on a female dominated household, would so readily and willingly write about getting desired and fucked by King Arthur just like that.

you'd have a point if modern TM didn't made me believe that nasu is a sellout that doesn't have any self-respect. what self-respecting person publicly announces a project and then gives me updates on it for over 10 years? says that they are going to produce a trilogy only to call it a day after the first entry?

>>20421071
That's a different kind of self-respect. Plus, it's nearly been 15 years, plenty of time for someone to change. Money talks after all, and really, Nasu has not shown interest in any old works in a long long long while, it's fun to just blame it all on FGO but he simply has not cared for a long while not.

>>20419760
For fate/cooking he checks the storyboards and gives them some heads-up about dialogue and such.

For HF he attends script meetings and writes outlines for the new bits like caster vs assassin, he also comes up with the chapter titles.

>>20420848
Do we know for sure Sakurai is a woman? I remember hearing a rumor they were male.

>>20421626
female unless trans.

>>20407951
>Movies: https://nyaa.si/view/1096358

Is this the best sub and encode? Cautious about 720p despite submitter because I've heard it was remastered and ufotable tends to deliver.

>>20422195
Should be fine, there was still no remaster and the original BDs are garbage. Only the 5th movie needs high bitrate(because film grain) and seems it has it.

mahoyo 99.99% completion!
MAHOYO ninety-nine point ninety-nine percent completion!!!
AHAHAHAH feels great to be alive and you can never have it. The english scripts are mine all mine!!!
Enjoy your pathetic Christmas while i rejoice in your misery of another year passing by without Mahoyo.

>>20423780
Fuck (You)

>>20423780
>he can't read Mahoyo in its original language
How sad.

>>20423780
There is no Mahoyo Visual Novel

My dick

https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=72122268
cat benis

>>20425269
I really can't get into that artist's style, but still hot, Warc needs more lewds.

>>20421012
To be fair, Nasu without restraints tends to fuck up bigger than the other writers, the only one that can match him is Sakurai, who wrote Labyrinth and Fragments.
Like, Nasu doing whatever he wants ends in stuff like Last Encore and Extella. Nasu being held off by Takeuchi ends in Stay Night

https://i.4cdn.org/a/1544850780623.jpg
cat butt

This is out https://twitter.com/pkjd818/status/1073908975374979077
Shame they keep insisting on Saber Alter in a dress.

>>20425874
Hot! Based drawfriend.

>>20425901
i benised

>>20425731
George Lucas syndrome is one hell of a drug.

>>20425901
Oh, here's the better/longer version https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6z03po

Looks good, but I don't like the focus on action. This film is adapting about 6-7 hours of the VN, with 2 action scenes that amount to like 10 minutes.
Also, fuck that Saber Alter dress. Still genuinely worried they'll change her character like they did in the first one.

>>20421012
What you are actually saying is that Nasu is either pretty alpha because he knows what women want or an autogynophile. Perhaps both.

>>20425901
why do people like aimer?

she's like ali project of levels of "every song sounds the same"

>>20426209
I loved her Gundam Unicorn songs, but I'm starting to agree with that.
Not quite Ali Project tier, but more like Kalafina, where the voice is always the same even when the songs are drastically different. Hope they put her on a break from TM stuff after HF.

LOL FUCK WORMSLUT AND FUCK COOKING XD UBW IS THE BEST AND RIN IS MAI WAIFU WHY ARE SAKURAFAGS SO INSECURE? XDDDDDDDDD

>>20426269
I like Sakura! And I'm praying for official nipples in HF2.

once HF3 comes out, that's probably the last piece of entertainment directly connected to the original F/SN vn we'll ever get. feels wierd man

Does anyone actually dislike Saber? My impression is that Sakurafags/Rinfags are basically competing for second place, with Saber being the indisputable king. Am I wrong? F/GO tertiaries don't count of course. We're talking about the three heroines of F/SN.

>>20426345
I always liked Saber the least out of the 3 heroines, but I do like her.

>>20426354
Personally Saber is my favourite out of the three, but I can understand why some wouldn't care for her. Sometimes I wish Saber's route came last. The first route would be Shirou having the stupid fucked out of him by Sakura, the second would be his confrontation with Archer in UBW, and the last route would be him sticking by his ideals with Seibah and getting a last-episode type happy end after much suffering. It would be a completely different story but It'd be great if Saber had a route that isn't weighed down by all the introductory stuff.

>>20426345
She's too vanilla and way too autistic. Tristan was right about the king not understanding the hearts of people.

>>20426415
Her autism is her selling point! As for being too vanilla, I think that she's so vanilla that she loops back around to being exotic.

>>20426429
Her autism gets to abrasive at some points. One time that comes to mind if when she decides to go the temple all alone at night because god forbid Shirou actually didn't want to rush things for once.

inb4 Saber's armor goes away in this scene and she dies wearing the dumb dress. With fanservice shots of her small chest heaving.

>>20426454
the dress just seems like a real fucking autistic change to make.

Alter is supposed to appear like she doesn't give a fuck, a pretty dress sure doesn't do the job.

>>20426337
No one has done a real adaption of the Fate route though. One day they'll cash in on that.

>>20426481
Only way I see that happening is years down the line when nasu decides he wants to pull last encore bullshit again. a true fate adaption just isn't that big of a deal when UBW and HF already aired.

>>20426269
If you want this pic, just say it.

>>20426429
That picture is so good.

>>20412463
>>20412451
we will make Notes. OVA real by 2020

>>20426898
doesn't make realistic sense when you consider types are being abandoned for beasts and velber. and XX's NP in fgo is recycle of slash emperor.

>>20426269
I wonder who truly are behind these posts.

>>20426969
I don't see Saber being a shitposter. At most she'd make the occasional baby lion picture thread on /an/. Actually, it's an interesting question. Which F/SN characters would be prolific imageboard users and on which boards would they post?

>>20427251
We already know Shinji is a master troll.

>>20427251
Liz and Sella
Liz on /jp/
Sella on /wsr/

>>20427251
Rin wouldn't be able to get onto one in the first place.
Saber would try /ck/ but be disgusted and leave, unless she went Alter.
Sakura would try to share her tips on /ck/, but mainly be ignored.
Rider would post on /lit/ and furiously whiteknight Sakura on various boards.

>>20427329

Should I play the FSN VN with the OG soundtrack or the vita one?

>>20427452
There are one or two tracks in the vita version that are better than the original for me but I prefer the original one overall.

>>20426345
I don't care for any of them.

>>20427452
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckc0LNUjF_Y
>WOMP WOMP WOMP WOMP~
If you want that playing during serious scenes, go for Vita. Otherwise, OG.

>>20427452
I personally like the originals much better overall.

>>20427452
Some sound better in the other. I prefer the original, though.

The ones made for the 2015 adaptation were SUPERB kinda wish they were in the VN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN-q5QHd6_A

>>20427488
Thank you for posting this literally every time, anon.

the original emiya theme is reason enough to play with the OG soundtrack.

so simple, so catch, so iconic.

>>20428043
lol

>>20428043
How festive of her

>>20427452
The vita soundtrack sucks ass

>>20429719
I hope she gets in smash

>>20429719
So cute!

Shhh, Saber is sleeping.

>>20433837
That woman is dead.

>>20433857

dead thread
dead franchise
dead hopes
dead routes

just tuck me in already anon

Rinocerous: Origins

>>20433951
I feel bad for those who have to adapt Takeuchi into animation.

>>20433980
I mean, they chose to not use the style they used for the Knk movies and settled on pointy noses and sidemouths everywhere for some reason.

>>20434019
I guess the character images in KnK were not as ingrained, so the character designer was probably given freedom to make the art animation friendly.
Taking the same approach in Fate would make characters look too different from the VN so Takeuchi oversaw those designs.

is it worth speeding through fgo just to get taiga for free

Fate/Requiem by Meteo
http://www.typemoon.com/products/tmbooks/requiem/
>A long time ago, there was a war. The war ended, and the world became peaceful. Now, everyone possesses a "grail" and summons a servant that embodies their fate. However, just one girl, Utsumi Elize does not possess that power. That girl meets the last servant(boy) summoned into that world. Yet, that girl still does not know of her own fate.
Written by Meteo

>>20434643
boy I really enjoy having another fate setting that is so far removed from the original that it might aswell be it's own IP but isn't because money

>>20434643
Finds a way.

No Notes content for this or next year aside from references. I am sad.

>>20434643
Seems neat, I'll give it a shot when it comes out.

>>20434643
Looks like a great way to incorporate and add Servant/Master dynamics. Hopefully they won't mess up this part.

>>20434643
On cursory glance it looks like we are getting a Karen and an Ushi face in this one?

>>20434643
Wait a minute... that short-haired girl was wearing the clock tower's outfit right ?

>>20434643
Is her Servant the Little Prince perhaps?

>>20434895
Looks like she is. Maybe those are all Masters except for the little boy and the Servants will be at the back.

Is this the only place left on the internet where people can discuss Fate free from FGO's influence?

>>20435078
No.

type moon ace when

>>20434571
Not really, it's pretty shit
I did it anyway to grail Taiga, Angra and eventually Bazett though, so who am I to stop you

Just read three new chapters of the melty blood nightmare manga. That "Atlasia" operation makes me wonder if the Eltnam twin sister co-exist in the same timeline with Sion being the director and Sialim being the vice director/Sion's assistant. The only problem i have with this manga is it is too difficult to understand. Like in the "Atlasia" operation, seems like Sion didn't care about the problem at Chaldea even when she knew that would have an effect on the future. Also what the heck were Sacchin and Riesbyfe doing in Atlas ? And what does the word "Rey-Atlasia" mean ? In Extra Sialim has that word in her name too (instead of Atlasia)

>>20435607
It's kind of an incoherent mess. At least loli Olga being super creepy sells her as a villain noble Flauros was trying to stop.

>>20434643
>practically its own original thing
>forced to staple on the Fate brand so it doesn't fall into irrelevancy like Fire Girl
The future of TM really does look bleak.

>>20435078
As far as I know.

>>20435133
Your private discord servers don't count.

>>20435706
Yeah. The Eltnam girls and loli Olga are the reasons why i read this manga. All of them are great

>>20434643
>Now, everyone possesses a "grail" and summons a servant that embodies their fate.
Please be meta commentary on FGO trash and how it devalues each individual Servant.
Meteo, end the series with all Servants being killed or de-summoned from the world.

>>20426345
Many of the people who prop up Zero as the pinnacle of the franchise tend to hate her, because their edge lord self-insert Kiritsugu hated her.

>>20436001
Apocrypha had HGWshappening all over the world and at the end of the series, still continued to have. That thing is gonna be the Jojo yugioh digimon of Fate because they realized more servants = more money.

>>20436344
I don't think it can get quite as bad as FGO in Servant pandering, since the premise implies that for every Servant character, they need at least 1 human (and likely some humans who have already lost their Servant to the "shinigami").
So it's still an awful ratio, but not as bad as GO.

>>20435921
>not reading it for Flauros and the Neko Arcs adventure
Should have been a better spinoff.

>>20434571
You get Taiga for free no matter what. But if you want the 30 sq, you're going to need to hurry up.

Hi, sorry if this is a retard question, isn't KNK not fully adapted? Aren't there still parts of it not made into movies yet? What's the reason for this and which ones are they?

>>20436647
The only part that's not adapted is Garden of Oblivion, an extra book released alongside the Mirai Fukuin movie.
Supposedly Nasu wrote it intentionally in a way that would never be adapted to anime, and there are no plans to do so, it's just a little extra.
There is a translation but it's utter shit.

>>20436242
I mostly just dislike her because I find her boring and overrepresented.

>>20436242
Too bland. I don't despise her, she just doesn't interest me in the slightest.

>>20435078
You fags here are arguably even more obsessed about FGO than the people who just talk about it normally while you people just complain and bitch about it 24/7 so in fact you end up talking about FGO even more than other people. It is literally impossible to talk about Fate and TM and also exclude every single little thing FGO has introduced to the franchise unless you somehow create a new circlejerk that forbids any TM material created past 2014 and with that all you will do is run out of shit to talk because surprise surprise everything from that time has been discussed to death so unless you go and make your own fanfiction to keep having new things to talk about you'll simply stay in front of your computer like a living corpse unable to ever say or do anything new in your life. Grow up already buddy.

>>20437015
>>20437262
I wasn't trying to portray all of her detractors as edgy Kerry worshipers, so I apologize if that was how it seemed. I like Zero myself, in fact.
I just think she was written out of character in Zero to prop up Kiritsugu, and many people who treat Zero as the only installment of the franchise base their opinion of Saber entirely on that portrayal.
If you find Saber boring and over-saturated in the franchise, I don't blame you though. There are entirely reasonable reasons to not like her, including simple personal preference.

>>20436662
>The only part that's not adapted is Garden of Oblivion, an extra book released alongside the Mirai Fukuin movie.

Give us the run down

>>20437482
Retard.
We obviously don't ignore it, that'd be asinine. Anon said "without its influence", as in, without having to deal with GOfag defenders and apologists shitting up discussions, the kind of people who actually enjoy the game and obviously want something completely different out of TM (in other words, people who weren't into TM for the same reasons as us in the first place, and don't see much wrong with the way things currently are).
I'd thank you if you could find any TM forum or message board that isn't dominated by those people, outside of this place. It's impossible, because the core of the TM fanbase has shifted drastically with the spread of FGO cancer. You'll still find some people who don't like GO in BL, but that's not the case for most of it. I can't tweet anything Nasu or TM related, without half the likes/RTs being obnoxious GOfags with shitty Servants as their profile pics.
/tmg/ is unique and important, that's why I've helped keep it alive since the start of the year, and why I feel no need to get near the gacha-infested shitholes that Fate threads in other boards have become.

>>20419778
>>20419829
>None if he hasn't written it, quite a bit if he has.

Nasu heavily supervised Fate/Zero and UBW anime, right?

Fate/stay night: [Unlimited Blade Works] is the best soundtrack in the Fate series.

Change my mind.

>>20437589
Battle is to the Strong memes aside, I personally prefer Fate/Zero's. But UBW was good too.

>>20437599
>I personally prefer Fate/Zero's

Why?

>>20437644
Mostly for the emotional tracks. You know, the ones UBW's soundtrack practically ported over with titles referencing FZ (count it from zero, down in the zero). I don't like the "epic"/battle tracks as much, but the emotional ones always hit the spot.

Cool, the Case Files manga finished volume 1, and they even had a teaser for the second case with Touko (which wasn't in the books).

Why does Kotomine have Grail powers in Saber's route?

>>20437820
I forget what he does exactly, but from what I remember he can just touch the mud due to having been in contact with it 10 years before.

What is Nasu's peak?

Tsukihime's Far Side, FSN Heaven's Feel, CCC, or Lostbelts?

>>20437497
>edgy Kerry worshipers
I love Kerry because he's tragic, are there really people that miss the point that much about him?

>>20434643
>Now, everyone possesses a "grail" and summons a servant that embodies their fate
There are approximately 7 billion people alive. Approximately 100 billion people have ever lived. Does this mean that most people's Servants are something like A Peasant Who Was Slightly More Heroic Than Other Peasants #2789 (class Archer because he once threw a bottle and killed a man)? Or are most Servants duplicates some kind or another? Exploring the implications of either option could be fun.

>>20437852
How would Lostbelt shit come into that when he's not even writing most of them?
Anyway, Far side and HF are both god tier, I can't really pick one or the other.

>>20437862
I hope they just have a tiny population remaining on Earth after the big Grail War that ocurred.
And I hope it's not an excuse to bring in shitty FGO Servants for fanservice.

>>20437862
Who told you 7 billions are still alive in the world of this serie ?

>>20437852
I prefer Tsukihime and KnK, but HF is close third. Mainly due to the atmosphere.

>>20437852
what about mahoyo ?

>>20437563
>>20435078
I don't lurk /a/ that often, but the few Fate threads I have seen there this year had little GO influence. Many posters in these threads seemed to have read the original VN, too.

>>20437862
Did you somehow miss the a big-ass war just ended part? Do you also think the population remained the same after WW1 or WW2?

>>20437998
I don't go there at all anymore, but from what I remember of every Fate thread, including the ones that started with FSN or FZ (or hell, even non-Fate TM threads) would get invaded by some dumbass saying "that character is old shit, this [bland one dimensional shitty waifu/husbando from FGO] has a way stronger Noble Phantasm!" and the thread would devolve into power level or lore arguments between GOfags that I couldn't care less about.
Or just the good old "What if Gudako was in that Grail War? xD That'd be epic", or "What if Shirou summoned [shitty character] from FGO instead of Saber???"

Anything Fate nowadays is just bait for obnoxious FGO talk.

>>20435011
He's so obviously the Little Prince it might be a red herring.

What I wanna know though is how the Little Prince will be a grim reaper of Servants.

>>20438014
WW1 and WW2 are a bad point of comparison. No human war has killed more than tens of millions of people. How many notable people and fictional heroes has there been through history? Let's say roughly a million. The population would have to fall by several orders of magnitude for every person to have a Servant of that caliber.

>>20437871
>a tiny population remaining on Earth
If I had to bet money, this is what I'd bet on. It would explain the "Requiem" in the title. Expect a post-postapocalyptic setting.

>>20437998
There's a lot of crossboarders from here to /a/. You can easily tell. Maybe most are like me and they prefer to not even bring up FGO outside of here. I use /tmg/ for nostalgia, venting, and posting fanart. In /a/ I use it for nostalgia and posting fanart. Not so much the venting.

>>20437852
Overall? Hard to say. Each of his works can be very inconsistent in quality in some areas. For instance KnK, Tsukihime, and even F/SN are extremely rough around the edges and quite amateur. But they offer a lot of ideas and unconventional story telling that makes them interesting precisely because it was done by an amateur like Nasu. His later works like Mahoyo and CCC are undoubtedly more refined, but I find that they also lost quite a bit of his bite in writing. Hell, if it weren't for the amazing visuals of Mahoyo I would say the VN would be kind of disappointing, and it is sort've is even with the visuals. It's a very refined disappointment, though; it's Nasu at his best in terms of effective pacing.

Personally I like Tsukihime and KnK the best because I prefer a smaller scale of story telling, with more intimate character drama and atmospheric urban settings. But I do feel as if Fate is comparatively more refined and has more interesting things going on thematically.

>>20437998
I went to the thread for the Requiem announcement on /a/, and at least there are indeed a fair amount of anons calling out FGO and the current state of TM.
While it is comforting that GOfags don't completely dominate all discussion, it's still obnoxious to see them around, and I've had more than my fair share of back and forth in the years before /tmg/. Think I'll keep avoiding other Fate threads for now.

>>20437852
SLH for a climax, Mahoyo for a package.

>>20434643
>everyone is a grail

>>20434643
That reminds me of the His Dark Materials series (these are Western by the way), where the first part of the story took place in a world where everyone had a chunk of their soul manifest outside their body as some kind of animal. I'm assuming it's the same deal here because I don't see how every human alive would be able to have a Heroic Spirit as a companion without a tonne of duplicates running around.

What's up with all of the inconsistencies between Stay Night and Zero?

>>20437998
I've rarely seen anyone ever discuss anything GO-related on /a/ type moon threads. It's normally just the usual fate/stay night or tsukihime stuff. Most people hate F/GO over there.

>>20438505
What's there that's major? Stuff like Kerry and Saber only talking during command spells is just too limiting to write and the Saber vs Gilgamesh finale is just.. kind of disappointing. In the end Butcher wrote the final script so it's always gonna be some kind of sub-canon.

>>20438538
If only that were the case, anon.
I wanna go back to 2014.

>>20438540
I think there's one where Gil didn't see Excalibur before in F/SN but he did in Zero.

>>20437852
Heavens feel will always be his peak for me, and I don't even really like sakura. just shirou going through immensive character growth while the world is going to shit and everything ending with the kotomine battle. I feel like after F/SN nasu completly stopped giving his human characters attention and just jerks off servants endlessly. only exception being mahoyo, which immediately got abandoned.

>>20438077
Let's say there are 100000 Heroic Spirits, counting different Classes of the same Heroic Spirit as separate. Now multiply that by the amount of possible variants they all could change into. Alter, Lily, Bride, alternate timelines etc. But more importantly these variants include fusing with Wraiths and Phantoms. The number of Phantoms is huge. Assuming there are 90000 variants with most of them being fusion, that surpasses the world population.

>>20435078
>>20435835
>>20437563
>>20437871
>>20437998
>>20438023
>>20438164
>>20438183
>>20438538
>>20438574

>>20438815
You don't have to play it to get what is needed.

>>20438815
I've never played or read any of it if that's what you're implying.

>>20438540
Didn't they keep this one, though. It's why Iri was Saber's "master"

>>20438815
Wow anon, it's almost like people feel attached to a universe they once actually liked and are hoping for a return to what made it good in the first place rather than pandering to a newfag audience with a shitty mobile game and an insistence on Fate.

>>20438828
You're still consuming FGO content one way or another even if you're aren't playing the game directly or even paying to roll the gacha.

>>20438841
>I talk shit about something I know nothing about because my buddies at /tmg/ told me it was shit!
So you are a parrot unable to form your opinions straight out from /v/? How pathetic. You are literal sheep.

>>20438846
And that's perfectly fine, I don't particularly like how FGO has become the start and beginning of TM either, specially for the medium it is, and how much it detracts from certain things because phone game is not really a good medium to tell a story, but it cannot be helped, it's what it is, and being butthurt about it 24/7 does not help. Alongside all the bad things there's also a bunch of nice things that are worth discussing and talking about. And look, a new LN just got announced, finally, something that is finally not FGO or Extra re-written for the gorillionth time and people's first thought is just to dismiss it immediately. You people are so obsessed with your butthurt that you're unable to look at the positive of anything, you guys are only here to just be upset out of your will. If you cannot stand the state of the franchise anymore then simple leave and move on and cherish the good memories you had because in case you haven't noticed the franchise has grown up and changed and expanded in the timespan of 15 fucking years, no shit it's never gonna be the same or ever return to the good old days of super primaries who read the VN when only the VN was the only material in existence.

>>20438894
>So you are a parrot unable to form your opinions straight out from /v/? How pathetic. You are literal sheep.
No, gatcha is inherently cancer and will always be shit.

>>20438894
theres fucking nothing to move on to, no shit everybody is staying here.

every single big VN franchise is either dead or currently selling their soul to gacha because FGO was a succes. shit, even the Shinza series that was similiar to old TM in a lot of ways is about to launch their FGO clone.

>>20438928
> Shinza
Let us not be too pessimistic. Wait until the game comes out before shitting on it. Gachashit is terrible but it might not be as bad as F/GO.

>>20438894
I know I'm consuming it, but that is out of spite since I need to know shit.

>>20437862
Sounds like a post apocalyptic world that's about to be pruned though.

>at the end of the world

>>20438894
>you're not allowed to shit talk FGO if you don't play it
>but if you do suffer through it and manage to keep up to date, you can't shit talk it either or declare that you don't enjoy it
>you're not even allowed to be a nostalgiafag or talk about the current happenings of a franchise you've been attached to for years
Shut the fuck up with your awful mentality, you actual braindead shit eater.
You are 100% the problem. Your idea that "Well, it's not ideal, but I guess I'll just have to go along with it and enjoy what I can!!" is exactly what has caused the last 3 years to be as shitty as they were, TM has no reason to produce anything worthwhile, or to change it up from Fate, because both oldfags and newfags are seemingly "okay" with what they're doing at the moment. There are faggots who even get happy when they add Tsukihime lore tie-ins or characters into their shitty gacha, as if that's all they've ever asked for. Just fucking stop eating whatever they shit on your plate.

> And look, a new LN just got announced, finally, something that is finally not FGO or Extra re-written for the gorillionth time and people's first thought is just to dismiss it immediately
Where did even see us dismissing it? The reception in this thread was relatively positive. It's guaranteed to be far better than FGO, since it's the focused work of a single author, in a medium that's actually proper for storytelling.
The misgivings that people do have, of course, have to do with forcing the "Fate" brand and Servants onto it, which can pretty much be blamed on FGO's success too. But it's still better than nothing, those spin-offs like Case Files and Strange Fake, even though they're not the proper Nasu project everyone wants, have been my motivation to keep up for the past 3 years, and the only genuinely enjoyable content to me.

>>20438062
Why are you assuming his identity needs to be a secret? Abigail was blatantly Abigail.

>>20438961
It might not when the LN comes out in two weeks, but for now they're calling him Boy. Abby had her name given in the Salem live stream because her class was a bigger mystery than who she was.

What class would the Little Prince be anyways.

>>20438940
The very concept of using a gacha game as a story telling medium for any non-comedy franchise is a bad idea.

I don't even care if the lead writer says shit like "this is a story we can only tell over a long period of time".
you sign yourself up for constant writing. you're going to be on a tight schedule for the entire lifespan of the game, which will lead to you caring less and less about quality because the update needs to fucking launch. It's only a matter of time until you launch something that you'd really rather have rewriten from the ground up. so you hire a bunch of mysterious writers to help you out, and then it's only a matter of time until they fuck something up.

fuck it, let's assume you achieve the best case scenario. the gameplay is godlike and so is the story, shit, there's not a single person in the whole world that dislikes your game.
after a few years you told the whole story that you wanted to (and a fuckton of filler events).

what do you do now? the game is still live, people are still spending money and time on it. oh shit, I guess you have to come up with an entirely new plot that will last you a few more years. and then you have to keep on repeating that until the game literally bleeds money and shuts down.

I really hate episodic story telling. I want to read something that was meant to be enjoyed as one whole piece.

>>20439006
Honestly, I think Nasu needs something like this for deadlines to push him to actually write something. Otherwise you end up waiting for the Tsukihime remake to come out.

>>20439019
Sadly this is true, it forces you to do something as deadlines simply cannot be missed.
But then you just outsource to different writers and get lazy, rushing sections which should've been revised.

>>20439019
Except the thing is that Nasu writes fuck-all nowadays. He scribbles an outline on napkin, gives it to his buttbuddies he keeps hiring because nepotism and he goes back to his basement to re-write Extra for the gorillion time and they ring him up to write when it's time for Camelotwank or Solomonwank. That's been Nasu life cycle for the last 5 years. There'd be hope if Takeuchi were still there to slap some sense into hum but alas he's too busy counting all the gachabucks they're making to bother.

>>20438894
Whom are you quoting in the middle reply?

>>20438983
>What class would the Little Prince be anyways
Rider?

>>20438928
>about to launch
I'm pretty sure it's still stuck in development hell. We've gotten 5 mins of outdated gameplay footage from before they swapped devs and a pic of the generic Gacha protag in the last three months and that's pretty much it.

>>20439006
>what do you do now?
If it is still appropriate to talk about artistic integrity in this context, to maintain artistic integrity you switch to writing gaiden stories and what-ifs that aren't canon or at least aren't as canon as the main plot. Your investors may be upset with this decision, though, because it weakens the incentives to follow the story.

>>20438983
He'll be a Foreigner with some Lovecraft shit shoved into him since Meteo likes it.

>>20437860
I think they understand he's tragic, but they just think that makes him cooler.
Or maybe they're all trolls and I've just taken their bait.

>>20439070
wait, they swapped devs?

jesus fucking christ man.

>>20437805
That's great! Next case is my favorite case so far (with the Lords things). Can't wait for its manga and the next novel vol as well

>>20439500
The fact that it's a murder mystery got me super curious. Though it's obviously ridiculous to try to set up a locked room murder in a setting with mages (which is pointed out in the book itself).
I am quite curious with where that went, shame the translation is stalled.

>>20437865
From what i know, Nasu wrote the intro, outro of each Lostbelt and there is a rumor that he will write Lostbelt 5

>>20438957
But how could you shit talk FGO when you don't play and read the story ? I know the gacha is bad but that is the DW side. Meanwhile, as the one who started playing FGO because of its story, i think TM is currently working very well. The story gets better over time and contains a lot of great stuff, soundtrack and character. You can hate FGO, and i'm not trying to change your mind. But if you want to give criticism and shit talk FGO,you should try it first (especially the story because of TM and there are the translation on internet so you don't need to play the game but you'll miss the background, soundtrack, effects, etc,...)

>>20439592
But I can also understand someone who dislikes gacha games in general, and doesn't want to even touch FGO. If what they enjoy out of TM are real VN experiences, then FGO does not deliver that. As much as people claim that it comes close, and even though the later chapters do add a bit more narration and text that's not just dialogue, it's still not the same style of VN as Nasu's previous good works.

I wasn't defending that viewpoint specifically, by the way, just pointing out how that anon created a false situation where you can't shit talk FGO, wether you've played it or not. Personally, I've kept up with the story on the JP version (though I mostly ignore events, since they're a waste of time) and I hate everything about it, so you don't need to advise me to try it out.

>>20439592
Because once people accept this, they will only take the idea even further.

>>20436662
Mechanically it would be harder to film than The Naked Lunch (without a certain David Lynch).

>>20439019
>>20439035
You simply aren't going to recapture the same feel and legacy of FSN and FHA. Especially since they seem to not even be aiming for that and are making weird Marvel-style Fate series.

>>20438955
>at the end of the world
Where does it mention that?

Has Hana no Miyako Legends received more than 3 chapters?

>>20439841
Speaking of difficult movie adaptations, do you think a Hollywood movie or live-action TV series based on Fate will happen? It's reached that level of popularity.

How would you adapt the ending of HA into an anime?
It's basically just both of them talking for an entire hour, the background doesn't even change until the very end and one of the only two characters on the scene doesn't even have an actual body able to emote
I don't think reducing the amount of dialogue would fix the problem either, most lines of dialogue need to be there to complete both character arcs so it would be very hard to reduce the amount of dialogue

>>20441450
given the current Hollywood climate I would truly fear for Los Angeles and environs as there would be a call from Tokyo and Washington fans that two bombs would not be enough when and if they got it wrong; sadly.

>>20441495
What if it was Fate/strange fake?

>>20441526
given what is happening to quite a few franchises(007 notwithstanding) I fear for Type Moon if it ever gets the 'full Hollywood treatment' as in the current environment it would truly be the end of the line, and not in a pleasant way

>tfw GOfags are progressively shifting all blame for the state of TM to the Extra series and pointing out all of its flaws, while acting like the trash they support is in any way better

>>20441861
How sad, even the gameplay from Extra's games are better that FGO's. Are they forgetting the best part of EoR's release window wasn't even an EoR but Fate/Extra CCC's event?

>>20441861
Extra is the direct cause of the decline of TM though
FGO bringing in a really big secondary and casual fanbase that are now considered the main fanbase to pander to by TM killed TM for sure, but Extra was the first time Nasu went full retard

>>20437663
You're my King, Little Star, Tragedy and Fate, etc are indeed perfect.

>>20442045
I definitely disagree, Extra wasn't some massive success that ensured they would never try different things, it was clearly always overshadowed by FSN, and Nasu's other good works. Nobody would expect the Extra series to take over as a "main project" or substitute for proper VNs, in the way GO has.
If you wanna say it's where Nasu started being retarded from a lore/character standpoint, that I can agree to, but I was still able to enjoy Extra for what it was. I also think it used Servants and Masters very well. I can't say the same for FGO, which is just a black hole of worthless shit, on top of all it's done to damage TM and the fanbase.

About Sion & Sialim in the melty blood nightmare manga. English isn't my first language so please correct me if i make a mistake:
> At first, before Sialim became director, she found some data that could only be accessed by the Atlas's director
> Because of it, she knew the truth that there aren't many time left before the human's extinction and she would be the last alchemist in Atlas
> After became director, she saw Sion's record among the files.
> However, her record, which was sealed exclusively for the director was a kind of strange thing
> Sialim decided to read that record. It included Sion's mission that we all know in Melty Blood. It was said in the record that Sion had disappeared in the duty and all the information was proof of her death (probably)
> Still, Sialim was curious about Sion since not just she had the highest ability in Atlas at that time, but also because she resembled Sialim
> With that in mind, Sialim gathered all information about Sion as much as possible and reconstructed her. She wanted to know what if Sion do in her situation by putting that "new Sion" in her simulator
> But surprisingly, Sion in her simulator was not the new Sion that she reconstructed but the true Sion herself
> Sialim said that although it had been calculated, there is impossible to bring out a person from the past
> Arc told her that this possibility could not happen just by coincidence, but also because some "catalyst"
That's all i know so far since some pages in the raw files were missing :(( I will find the completed raw tomorrow. Also some piece of info:
> Most of alchemists in Atlas had comitted suicide (in Sialim timeline)
> Zepia (Night of Wallachia) was mentioned in Sion's record
> Most of alchemist in Atlas had committed suicide due to their despair for not able to prevent the human's extinction. But Sialim didn't. Instead, she did her best and worked diligently even though she was sicked and knew that she would die soon. Sialim created Rani and raised her ability as much as she can in order to continue all the things that she and other alchemists couldn't finish in the past
> I did think that Sion & Sialim are twins but this chapter somehow....I would finish reading it tomorrow

>>20442100
I won't deny that Extra had a great atmosphere and some enemy servant/master pairs were pretty likeable, but the lore went to shit, introduced selfinsert MCs, introduced the first actual waifubait servants and then ended up becoming one of the main TM series with multiple games, each one becoming more important, having more important and retarded lore
It also changed the tone to a more sci fi one that still can be seen in FGO
Extra by itself was fine, I'm just replying to a post saying that the Extra series wasn't to blame for the state of TM whiel FGO was, and I really disagree with that

>>20442109
Forgot to mention that looks like there is someone who currently translate and edit this manga as well so it will bring more clearer info. This manga is reall worth reading tho

>>20442045
>Extra is the direct cause of the decline of TM though
One could say that Fate/Zero's anime success was where TM really started to go downhill.

>>20442120
Yeah, that's about right.
It just bugs me to think that people would paint Extra as the one target that should be hated, when FGO does literally everything it did badly, but 10 times worse, while also adding a bunch of its own huge issues (different writers, inconsistent art style, episodic format, gameplay that's even more of a pain to sit through), AND had an overwhelmingly worse effect on TM and the fanbase.

>>20442129
Correct, the manga is being TL'd, we just got releases up to chapter 5 yesterday. I still have to catch up.
Thanks for the explanations anyway, anon.

>>20442252
Thank you so much for doing god's work! I decided to explain it since the manga is pretty hard to understand. Looking forward to the next chapters from you guys

>>20442354
I'm not the one TL'ing, anon. You're looking for http://akibadetectives.tumblr.com/

Eating Ciel curry-flavoured excrement!
Making Ciel bushl!
She accidentally farts!
Lewd!

>>20442402
Scatfags are disgusting but Ciel is the opposite!

>>20442109
Thanks for posting this info. This is just my wild theory but maybe Sion's appearance in Sialim's simulator is somewhat due to the Logos Re:Act. Remember in Case Files, Zepia said that he would have been a DAA in a group which has around 20 member in another timeline after used the Logos. Maybe the catalyst is Sialim herself and they're still twin sister, just another timeline

>thread on /qa/ talking about how mobile games are taking too much space
>/alter/ comes and starts shitposting like hell
Man I'm glad we don't discuss FGO here.

>>20442390
Oh thanks. And sorry for misunderstanding you.

>>20442120
>introduced the first actual waifubait servants
What do you mean?

What is better?
The Tsukihime manga or the VN?

>>20443368
The manga is better than the Arcueid route of the VN, but you need to read the VN for the later routes.

>>20443368
The manga is basically Arc's route with some added manga-only scenes. The VN has a lot more to it including Ciel's route and the far side (or is it near side?) routes, meaning Akiha, Hisui and Kohaku's routes, and those are very, very, different from the near side (or is it far side? forgive this baka) routes. I don't remember if the manga has any major spoilers for those routes but you should probably read the VN first if you're interested. I'd say the VN is definitely worth reading and the manga is pretty fun too.

>>20443323
Nero and Tamamo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKhpE-oNoGY

>>20443368
I vastly prefer reading the manga for Arc's route. It's a better experience overall and Arcueid and Shiki have much better chemistry there than they ever had in the visual novel, mostly because Shiki is quite a different character from KT on and the manga uses that 'version' of him.

That being said it is still not quite as good as far side.

>>20443450
I miss Wada's old style honestly, the coloring especially in her new stuff just isn't as good.

>>20443458
>KT
What? Kagetsu Tohya?

>>20443606
Yes.

>>20443640
Oh ok.

>>20443534
I think she's gotten better at proportions and expressions. A couple girls in Extra looked like creepy dolls.

>>20441861
Extra was fine. Arguably CCC was fine.
Nasu's following obsession with Extraverse and adding gorillions of lore exclusively through it and then rehashing Extra again and again and rewriting it for god knows how many times because he can't ever fucking let go? That is not fine. FGO at least has the decency of being a story that actually progresses and evolves and moves on and focus on various different aspects, settings and Servants.

>>20443666
I agree that her art has normalized a lot and is generally more paletteable towarda the mainstream for sure. Her old bodies were weird malformed super-twigs that look bizarre. But I liked that. Her expressions were better back in the day too.

I still love her art but it's a shame some of the elements that attracted me to it, weird or not, have gone away.

>>20443707
I don't even know why he's obsessed with Extra so much. It was ok at best. Nowadays it's just shit because he has made so many writing mistakes with it, along with Sakurai.

>>20443707
I agree that Extella and LE are FGO tier of trash as far as writing, lore, and characters go, but they're also inoffensive and didn't really have the massive impact that makes FGO such cancer.

>>20443368
The manga is nice, but far side Tsukihime is god tier.

>>20441899
No. Rock paper scissors sucked balls.

>>20444362
Buster Quick Arts NP sucks more balls.

I want to read kagetsu tohya do I need to follow a guide for that ?

>>20444496
The guide will just confuse you further.

>>20442109
More stuffs about the Eltnam girls from the last chapter:
> After Arc took true Sion's soul away from the reconstructed Sion, she brought her to the pool (where the Back Alley Alliance wanted to go in the first chapter)
> There were only Sialim and reconstructed Sion (gonna call her re-Sion) left in the simulator
> re-Sion said she would open the last door (the last possibility)
> Sialim asked if she okay with that and told her she could stop it if she wanted
> re-Sion refused and said that Sialim created and programmed her for this purpose so there was no need to cancel
> Sialim, however described the last door's possibility as a "blank sheet" that was even unpredictable for her and asked re-Sion if she still wanted to open it
> re-Sion still decided to go. Before opened the door, she, with a pretty smile on her face, told Sialim that even though she didn't know what would happen in the "future" of this door, she was really looking foward to it
> Sialim went back to the Atlas Institute. Rani said the project was completed. Sialim said that she would never open that last door again then told Rani to take a break with her.
> They went to the Tri-Hermes. Sialim asked Rani if she could go to the Mooncell. Rani said yes with a smile, which made Sialim surprised
> At the end, Sialim accepted that like anyone else, she was unable to know what would happen in the future but for now, she was really looking forward to it (she was ill and would die soon)
Reading this manga makes me want Sialim to appear in FGO and meet Sion so much awww :( She is a really good assistant, as shown in the "Atlasia" operation

>>20444496
Use a walkthrough.