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Lulwy was here. Mani is a faget.

I can't decide if I want to play Plus or Omake Overhaul. Plus's expanded monster list gives a playthrough so much more longevity and a lot of the most interesting monsters (death manekis, cthughas) are Plus exclusive.

The ability to push NPCs aside while running and the ability to scroll through and examine equipment at the same time are both huge quality of life improvements. OO's dungeons are a lot cooler than Plus's, the adventurer changes should've been part of the base game, and the extra random encounters are nice too.

Is there much of anything to do in OO after you beat Zeome? Other than grind the void or smithing until you're ready for chaos bosses/gods?

>go to bed
>wake up
>thread was slid to oblivion and had to be remade
wtf? /jp/ is supposed to be slower than this

>>20321831
I blame all the idolshit.

>>20321831
>more idolshit started popping out after the 4channel divergance
what did (((hiro))) meant by this?

its been awhile since I played this game. How do I stop my pet from drinking from wells? would rather not recreate the experience my first character had.

>>20320810
Why the fuck isn't this thread on the video games boards again?

>>20322919
Why the fuck aren't all idolshit threads on the music board again?

>>20322919
too fast and /rlg/ really hates us for some reason

>>20322865
[i]nteract with your pet, then choose:
(a) Talk
(i) Other
(b) Other Settings
(a) Eat items from your bag.
Then make sure your pet always has food on hand. Only hungry pets drink from wells.

Where can I find Elona art that isn't from pixiv or twitter?

>>20327343
your own computer.
start drawing anon.

>decide to give elona another try
>can't suffer through the early game potential grind
>stop playing
>repeat

how do i break the curse without dying of boredom on a god damn herb farm? i'd rather find a way to reliably earn potions of potential than play farmville indefinitely

>>20329055
You don't need herbs to beat the game. Just dump all you bonus points into your weapon skill, grab gear with resists, and aim for +15 on everything.

elona newfag here, do they still update this game?

>>20330029
vanilla elona was discontinued years ago, elona+ is regularly updated

>>20329055
I don't seriously worry about my potential until midgame. Up until that point, just use your skill points on your lowest potential skills. Buy some training with platinum if something important's potential gets really dire. Attribute potentials you can honestly just ignore early on. Go ahead and let them hit hopeless, it's almost inevitable anyway. Once you have money you can invest in magic vendors for a constant supply of potions of potential.

Really you should just do whatever you have the most fun with. Everything you do pays experience. Inefficient, suboptimal play will still eventually make your character unstoppable, it'll just take longer.

>>20329055
Never sacrifice fun for efficiency. Ever.

>>20320810
So what are the backstories for the gods?

>>20332113
Once upon a time, humans invented spaceships and flew off into space. There weren't many humans left behind to worship them, so the gods panicked and started slaughtering each other, wrecking the planet in the process.
Eventually, there were only a few gods left (compared to the previous number), and only a small population of humans (who were understandably upset about the whole "everything got nuked in the godwars" thing).
Of course, that was about two-and-a-half civilizational collapses ago, so today nobody remembers it.

>>20332113
cunnyromi just wants some veggies, don't overcomplicate it.

I've been trying Omake Overhaul lately and does anyone know how the custom race/class thing work? I've seen people mentioning it but I can't find anywhere how to do it.

Is there any compelling reason to upgrade E+ past 1.77?

>>20333646
Damn what happened? I don't remember these threads being so slow. Anyway I figured it out, might as well post it if someone else is playing Omake Overhaul too.
You can find the files in the data folder, they are o_race and oo_class, obviously make back up before modding, the file is really simple so anyone can figure it out, you can edit it with any text editor. If you want skill ids and trait ids just copy them from the classes/races that have them. The limb section is super easy to find so if you want to give the proper limbs to all debug races it's simple.

It would be nice if they added pic related to Plus too, that type of customization is nice to have.

I updated the Younger Sister Pack for Elona+ v1.84. I really, really need better faces for the NPCs. If anyone were to draw a 30x40 portrait of a Younger Sister, I'd be extremely grateful.
https://mega.nz/#!tRAXDawZ!Ep5OKq05V3My5I3IxeBlZWSI2j1kOJvn9l4_IzEVK2w

>sleep on an eastern bed during overworld travel
>potential increases by 49%
holy shit, did they change something since i last played? not even happy beds boosted my potential this much before

>>20336266
I've found some pretty extreme variance with potential gains lately. My happy bed can give me anywhere between 13% and 86% in potential and I have no idea why.

>>20335561
Thanks for this.

>>20332113
>>20332207
And Mani is just some human bloke that convinced Lulwy to help him slaughter the actual machine god, which is why he's just a dude with one arm as opposed to a robot.

>>20337578
You're welcome anon. I guess as a forewarning now, I probably won't be able to update it at all until around this time next year because of reasons.

How do I go about making a mage character? Its been a long time since I've played this game and I never really got far but I don't want to make another warrior.

>>20338807
The more you use a spell, the better it gets and less likely it is for it to fail. Also access to the Mage's Guild helps facilitate easy access to spellbooks and thus replenishing your spell stocks becomes really easy.

>>20338807
Get a couple of pets to draw enemy attention away from you and blast shit from afar. The only problem I have with my mage is that my damage output seems kinda weak compared to my meele and ranged pets, I feel like a back up character healing and buffing then while they kill every big bad guy

>>20332207
Isn't that just the E+ version of the story?

>>20338807
Basically you want a high magic stat and a high skill level in whatever spell(s) you're using for damage. You're gonna need a lot of books so join the mage guild. It's better to specialize in a small number of spells than to dabble in everything. Magic-element damage (magic dart, crystal spear, magic storm) is good since it works on just about everything. In E+, water element damage is least resisted (unresistable?) damage type. Its base damage is bad but it should work well against bells and such. Wet enemies also take more damage from lightning, but I don't know whether lightning or magic is better against a wet enemy with high lightning resistance.

I just use magic for support, healing, and convenience, but I'm given to understand that, like martial arts, magic damage has a somewhat weak early game but eventually outstrips weapons. In Vanilla pure magic users are generally considered more effort than they're worth, but in E+ they're a top tier build. If you're in Omake Overhaul then there's a spellmaking system, but I don't know how powerful it is. Late game characters tend to wind up with more MP than they know what to do with, so it sounds like an expensive, high-power custom spell would be useful.

>>20337595
damn

>>20337595
damn mani is metal

>>20320810
Are the elona threads too slow for the new 4channel jp/?

>>20343588
Quick spam post pointless progress updates!

Why are Younger Sisters so great and why should everything be Younger Sisters?

>>20343588
Why would hiroshimoot's domain autism change anything?

>>20343938
Who knows, but these threads are dying faster than usual these days

the last time i played Elona was when they added the necromancy stuff, should i play E+ or E+Custom? which one has more english translation?

>>20345247
Custom adds more translations, but some stuff is still only placeholder text. Custom-G replaces all placeholder text with machine translations.

>>20345269
Custom it is then, what's a fun build to play? the last time i went necromancer and just summoned shithoad of skulldragon and wreck shit, even chaos bosses. can i still do that?

KUMIROMI

>>20346003
cummyromi

Kumiromi is gay. The best god(dess) is obviously Yacatect.

Bleh what was the Alchemy Throwing Sword damage based off of in E+ again? Was it the Alchemy stat/ Magic Device stat or Anatomy stat? I'm kinda tempted to make a char that just throws chestnuts and swords at people.

How the hell do you get custom music to play? Editing musiclist.txt and putting the mp3s in the music folder in the user folder does nothing but make it so that no music plays at all.

>>20346894
Disregard this, I'm a fucking idiot. The game folder has to be on the same drive as your mp3 media player codec.

>>20347012
>>20346894
Speaking of which, I've created a music pack consisting of Kemono Friends' and Yuru Camp's soundtracks.

https://mega.nz/#!AcJxBQzD!SUg0HVsTMN-Mg9gEHLD45zY2sr0G7zSonEeYKHhlaZ0

>>20346621
Damage is based on the sword's displayed level, which is based on Alchemy.

>>20347210
So there's no additional multiplier based off of Magic Device or anything else? I'm considering whether I feel like naturally grinding alchemy for it or just inheriting a sword down.

Is collage-anon still alive? are you coming back?

>>20347304
Didn't he just randomly stop posting one day?

I'm not a /g/, what should I do to make the MIDI files not fucked up?

>>20347348
The first step would be to go into more detail than "fucked up".

>>20347334
He did say something about taking a break a bit.
guess that break is neverending

>>20347356
Okay, some midi tracks are missing for example the song played on the first village is missing the guitar sound.

>>20347381
Is it a consistent problem? That is, you're sure it's not just Elona randomly altering the MIDI playback like usual?

>>20347356
Some midi instruments are missing. For example the song played in the first village is missing its guitar sound.

>>20347407
yeah i believe it's consistent.

>>20347417
Which OS are you on? Windows 7, Windows 10, Mac, Linux?

>>20347465
Windows 10

>>20347501
Have you tried playing the midi files in a media player? Do they sound like you think they should, or the same way they sound in-game? (Vernis would be "pop01.mid".)

>>20347546
It played perfectly in foobar, but when played in Windows Media Player it was the same as in the game.

>>20347575
What soundfont do you have foobar set to use?

>>20347661
I use Florestan Basic GM GS

>>20347781
Have you changed Windows' soundfont to that soundfont (using VirtualMIDISynth or whatever), or is Windows still on the default Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth?

A ain't played this since around the time Elona G was made (I remember I edited it to have marking, then lost interest). Is it still the latest variant?

Does anyone know why anno went insane?

>>20348892
Yeah, it's still being kept up to date.

Did somebody ever finish that Elochat mirror? I'd gladly host a server if I had access to the files.

>>20349133
I don't think jdstroy's server ever progressed beyond chat. (Not to mention that one time someone made arbitrary text appear as in-game event messages for everyone.) If there's any source code for any of that stuff published anywhere online, I'm unaware of it.

So I never tried OO, What major changes should I be careful of when coming from E+CG? Particularly gameplay changes that would cause muscle memory to get me destroyed?

>>20349293
You'll need about five times as much platinum as you're used to, and potions of potential aren't going to do as much for you. Pets will probably be several orders of magnitude weaker and less useful as well.

Which pet, not the little girl, should become my shopkeeper?

>>20349293
Min plat cost is very high, and still goes up.
Pots of pot suck dick.
Pets are super broken, because they get max potential super fast via kuroromi/fox goddess food, while you gain less than 1% for eating 100 god blessed foods. Far better in comparison to you than in +.
You need to manually drag pets to town to train them then put back in shop, no just paying the register.
The main interesting feature, the god miracles, come at such absurdly high levels for a version of the game where you gain skill so slow, you will have probably done everything worth doing before getting them unless noyel grinding with a book. And even when you have them, their costs are so high that outside of the gods who use rocks they aren't worth using, ever. And even for those goods they're very underwhelming.
You can make your own wep, but its limited, having very few weapon options despite the focus on specializing via feats, only good if you specifically want to use swords and even then very meh
Despite all of this, its not actually very hard; the aforementioned specializations let you start with 100% extra damage simply for holding the right weapon and the content is so low leveled that's enough to trivialize the game via simply dungeon crawling and completely ignoring quests
In general its slower and more tedious than + because it focussed on adding options on how to play the game over QoL, but the options it added aren't as good as what + added (nothing remotely comparable to necromancy).
Some guy released a cheat edit of it where you can ge tlike 15x plat but I'd still not rec it over just playing +
Making a god is a neat concept, I nearly made one, but got stuck at what its wep should be and lost interest when I saw how limited their miracles and items are

>>20349532
a robot little girl

>>20349532
>Pets are super broken
Huh, didn't know that. I had figured it'd be more like vanilla, with you having to trade up pets regularly.

>>20349630
Seems to be a common misconception. The god food is insanely effective on pets for how easy it is to stockpile, since there's no limit on blesses per pray far as I can tell and the busted bread recipe is infinite easy non-rotting food

newfag here, came after watching a youtube review of this game. Any tips for a new player?

>>20343901
>everything be Younger Sisters
I am pretty sure there are mods that do this, and I don't mean just sprite changes.

>>20347334
He didn't just randomly stop, one (1) anon here said he didn't like the collage OPs and made his own thread. Collages anon then took the opportunity to take a well deserved rest.

>>20350145
Read the pastebins ad the wiki for some begginner tips, other than that, I'd advice to just go in blind for your first character and have fun with whatever curveballs your life in Irva throws at you.

>>20350217
Sounds great! Seems like a fun game, going with a Farmer for my first time through.

>>20350145
Play+, its less tedious. If you use a pet that's it gj gg you won the game is done nothing can deal with how fast pets grow

>>20349293
It's a lot more like vanilla elona. It's slower-paced and only really has north tyris content. You're not expected to learn every skill and even learning half would take a good long while. There are tons of special types of random nefia dungeons with interesting gimmicks. Different types of monsters fight against each other. Adventurers can be encountered in dungeons and are overall a bigger part of the game.

>>20350243
>Farmer for my first time through.
You're so fucked.

And it will be the best fun you'll ever have.

>>20350786
I got wiped 5 times before I called it quits with that character. Managed to invest in a few shops and inns before I got royally screwed by random encounters. It was 1000% my young girl carrying the worthless farmer that I was.

>>20350820
Sounds like you're doing fairly well for a new player. Next time I'd suggest focusing on equipment initially and not investing in shops until you're well-established and want to buy lots of items from them. A full set of +2 gear will make you (and your little girl) much stronger.
(Assuming you're playing something from the Elona+ branch, town blacksmiths can enhance your equipment, and the first couple of pluses are reasonably affordable.)

>>20350820
Farmer is pretty freaking good if you can get some combat skills ASAP. I suggest picking up sense quality then talk to the fighters guild about getting inside.

Is there any way to fill empty bottles at wells? Or am I trying to game the system too hard?

>>20350923
Mix empty bottles into the well.

Obviously only works if the well is filled.

>>20350820
Take hypnosis or, in E+, strings assassin feat in the beginning to get a huge leg up in the early game. They'll give you special actions that 100% will never miss no matter what. The hypnosis special action does only minor damage, but inflicts sleep on anything not immune to it. Blade strings does tons of damage and will oneshot anything in the early game. Both abilities use stamina which you want to avoid running low on or else you'll slow down, fall down stairs, and fail at special actions. You also want to rely regular attacks when you can so those skills go up.

Don't do any investing until your character is established. Money should be spent on equipment. You especially want PV. Have a means of teleportation to escape from trouble. The dimensional move feat will give you a short ranged teleport that will never fail even if you have status ailments, but some people think it's a waste of a feat. Consumable scrolls, and rods or learning teleport spells are your alternatives.

>>20351266
Doesn't Strings Assassin require the Tactics skill to do serious damage? Besides, if we're talking feat-based crutch skills for a farmer, why not take the magical plant knowledge feat and aim for Violent Garden? His little girl could keep him covered while he did harvest quests in Yowyn, and as soon as he hit L30 Gardening he'd be set.

-stamina cost in g is so nice. No making my food in batches after holding 5 until my finger gives in to regen stamina at the pathetic default rate

>>20350820
Pick the little girl pet
Take the sleep touch feat. This never misses, negates most of the threat from most enemies in act 1
Take the plant feat. At around 30 gardening this 1 shots every basic enemy in act 1 on the entire screen and never misses.
Other feat doesn't matter.
Pick a god, kumiromi or Yacatect. Yacatect is best second since you can use cash from farming to simply buy her faith via buying cheap jewelery.
Hide behind the little girl and bad touch anything that bothers you. Go to Yowyn. Farm. Drink from wells, fuck the downsides, you have a super high chance for a wish. Get 7leagueboots when you get that wish.
Take missions to escort people. Farm. Repeat. Decide if the game is for you or not because repetetive taks like this is the meat of the game.
Buy a farm at some point. Buy a shop. Put a pet in the shop. Set it to food, sell food.
Your primary goal is to get the shop up and running, then you can just drown any issues you may have in money

>>20348052
I tried VirtualMIDISynth. It plays properly in WMP now but no change whatsoever in game.

>>20351588
You might need to select a different music device in Elona's settings.

>>20351464
I haven't tried strings assassin on a character who doesn't have the tactics skill at all, but for any character who didn't start with it I'd recommend tactics as their free skill they choose during character creation. Even a brand new character with a tactics of 1 should be able to oneshot the great majority of what they encounter.

Violent garden is a great option, but it's not really a solution for someone who's getting slaughtered right out the gate. Going to Yowyn at level 1 and staying there until 30 gardening sounds unbearably tedious. The best option is to take string assassin at level 1 and then magical plant knowledge when at or near 30 gardening. There's no need to be stingy with feats in E+. There are only a few important ones (especially now that the ascetic line is a waste) and you get more than enough points to take all of them.

>>20350820
By the way, a new player should definitely be playing Elona+ Custom or Elona+ Custom-G. Omake Overhaul has a lot of great things about it too, but it's much less beginner-friendly, has a super grindy early game, and is much smaller in scope.

There's not really much reason to play vanilla Elona given those other options.

>>20350243
Waiting for Anon's report

starting out the game. have two little girls, tried to do an escort, but full party so i had one girl wait at the town but i still cant accept. is there something Im missing?

>>20353272
Pets still count as being in the party if they are:
-waiting in town
-dead
-staying at your house
-on a ranch
-running a shop

Pets no longer count as being in the party if they are:
-staying at the Dojo
-staying at a Discarded Ranch
-fused into another pet via gene machine (permanently gone)
-abandoned through pet dialogue (permanently gone)

>>20353272
You get one additional party slot for every 5 points of charisma you have.

>>20353346
so what do i have to do? abandon them till i got enough dosh for a discarded ranch?

>>20353910
Dump them in the dojo.
Find gear with + charisma.
Dance, sing, whatever else raises charisma

>>20353910
Also if you want pets without worrying about the cap so much, use the undead. You get 3 for free from the cemetary.

>>20351596
Worked at last. Thank so much.

>>20353921
>Dance, sing, whatever else raises charisma
Definitely never try to entertain at the bar in Vernis or whenever guards are nearby. Being a lousy musician is punishable by stoning.

>>20354755
>some shitty musician starts to openly rape my ears with the worst performance in recorded history
>can't even ignore him staring at Shena's ass, thats how bad he is
A few stones to the face is getting off easy

COOL
ONEE SAN
YACATECT!

>>20353910
Buying and selling items will train your negotiation skill which will train your charisma. In E+ engagement rings come with +5 to charisma. They're fairly common even in the puppy cave and it's not like you're doing anything important with those ring slots.

>>20357223
Yacatect fucks old men for money

>>20357363
YACATECT, THE GODNESS OF WHORES!

I dreamed that Elin was completed and had a translation.

>>20359655
I dreamed that noa's friend didn't die and ano didn't turn into a degenerate

>>20359668
That sounds like a nice dream

I tried to look it up but I might as well confirm it here, is there no way to play as a summoner besides necromancy? It's super weird for a game like elona to have completely ignored that playstyle. And is there a way to make pets automatically pick up identified items and equip? It's such a bother to manage their stuff.

>>20360424
There are a few summon monster spells but they aren't anything you could build a character around. Summoning is always really stupid in (pseudo) roguelikes anyway. And no, there's no way to make pets equip themselves.

>>20360424
The 3 summon spells are:
Summon monster: just makes more enemies.
Summon Wild: These can be neutral, but frequently are enemies.
Summon Spirity: Always neuetral. You could try to build a character around this, they'll fight bosses and level based on the spell. But it's a wonder only spell, and probably very grindy to build up.

>>20360424
The underlying mechanic to support a Summoner build was never there, since pretty much all spells related to summoning are hostile in some fashion. When the idea first came up with things like Kings and Summonknights, the choice to not fix the mechanical bug pretty much sealed the deal.

>>20360986
Oh right, summon spirits was even nerfed to occasionally summon monsters wasn't it?

>>20361005
I don't think it does that anymore, though it's still ridiculously difficult to get summon spirits in the first place and the only real use for it was Performance abuse since the spirits tend to just get in the way otherwise (but only in your way).

Pretty much back when people first approached the idea of a summon based build the easiest approach that came to mind was to use pets that had summoning abilities, like the King. Except it backfired spectacularly because the monsters summoned were all hostile which meant your own pet was inadvertedly trying to kill you. Apparently this was a "feature" rather than a bug, so effectively the whole line of pets that summon things was written off as "fucking useless".

In other news I apparently gave a beggar 87000 gold for food. What kind of fucking food is this beggar buying.

>>20361431
Nope. It still happens as of 1.84. It was added in, not removed. The spirits will at least try to kill the summoned monster though.

>>20361525
Well I guess at least there wasn't much of a reason to bother with it to begin with....outside of music ticket grinding.

>>20361431
If you want a summoner pet that only summons friendly minions, use an Astral Light Pen to recruit the younger sister shopkeeper at the mansion.

>>20361554
>use an Astral Light Pen to recruit the younger sister shopkeeper at the mansion.
As much as I love the idea of filling every map with useless, weak Younger Sisters, that sounds like a surefire way of setting every map on fire.

>>20361800
Well if she isn't built up to be tanky, she basically dies to anything, so it might not be as bad as it could be. Not to mention most of the summons would get minced.

What the fuck happened with my stats and how can i fix it?
I have no hexes or anything that would affect me like that in the feats page.

>>20362933
Fucking hell i forgot pic

>>20362933
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Healer

>>20362971
thanks mate, i don't know i forgot to try that out.

Please send the best Elona memes; trying to convince a friend to play as well.

>>20363280
Look for the old OPs in the archive, trutly better times

>>20363339
https://imgur.com/a/frAYe

Anyone have a download link for Elona+ 1.84? The official one (the same as the one in the pastebin) is dead.

>>20363405
Fuck it I'm just sticking with 1.77.

>>20363405
Did you try the backup source directly under the download link in the pastebin?

>>20363438
Have you tried downloading anything from that guy's website? It's like 10kb/s

>>20363389
Good shit

>>20363389
i love how he always put stuff on peoples heads

>>20363389
Thank you, Anon

Ah, just imagine the collages of recent events... What could have been.

Looks like a new update is out, just got posted on the jap wiki today. More importantly, How do I kill the Chaos Child? I'm a wizard and I feel like I'm pretty solidly leveled for all the endgame content. I can solo dungeon bosses anywhere from lvl 600-850 depending on the type, and I have my trusty little girl by my side to finish them twice as fast. She's pretty damn tanky and I have 22k MP (which can completely refill using about 2/3 of my SP) so heals and debuffs aren't a problem in addition to spamming offensive spells. Am I supposed to run, hide, wait? Bethel jumped in after a bit but he was barely brushing him. Do I keep waiting for more people to jump in or do I engage in an endless cat and mouse to whittle away what appears to be several trillion HP? Oh, and he can demolish me in one hit.

>>20364400
He has infinite health. Wait.

>>20364467
>>20364400
>During the main quest event he cannot be killed, but it has the summoned NPC bit flag so it cannot be used as a sandbag for leveling

>>20363280
A lot of Rueken's stuff is really good.

>>20363389
Thanks for posting this. Collage anon is a hero.

Redpill me on elona foobar? what makes it so great?

>>20363280
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9gOQxHX83E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl6cxTIBS-I

>>20364515
I miss you trooth

>>20364477
That was a little anticlimactic. Are we just waiting for content now?

>>20364532
Yep. You can visit the 4th area, but its pretty empty.

>>20364512
Well it's not finished. But the plan is for a multiplatform and easily modifiable port of Elona. Would be nice to, say, combine the best parts of Elona Plus and Omake Overhaul.

I'm thinking about starting a martial arts character in E+, something I haven't tried before. Is there anything important I should be aware of? The only downside of equipping claws and shields is losing the possibility of 8 hit combos, right? At about what level does MA start to outperform 2H and DW with living weapons? Do you need to keep the attribute buff up 24/7 to do real damage or is MA strong without it?

>>20366025
8 hit combos are possible with certain tonfas I suppose.

>>20366414
The cap on martial arts attacks is only raised to 8 if you don't have anything equipped in any Hand slot. Unless you're referring to equipping a tonfa in the Shoot slot, it's not possible to get a full seven "Furthermore," extra attacks with a tonfa equipped.

Which is better, absolute piercing attacks or criticals? I'm trying to decide if I should switch from a Claymore to another weapon with just piercing. (In other words, how good is the critical chance boost?)

some IRL autist convinced me this game was great
What am I in for
any cool linus tech tips I should know

>>20366677
literally just see these >>20364515

>>20366677
It's a grindy and very Japanese sandbox RPG that takes most of its mechanics from roguelikes. Make sure to take hypnotism and/or strings assassin as one of your feats when you make a character. I also strongly recommend taking exorcist.

>>20367360
Exorcist is a waste, just carry scrolls of uncurse or seeing the healer. Pick something like quartermaster instead, or a feat based on your build, or even just luck. Luck can be hard to come by for a long time and unless you want to grind rabbits for months it's best to just get a little bit of a head start. You'll be less likely to get cursed in your sleep, too. Once you can distill water, you can bless stacks of itself for unlimited blessings so if you lose your enchantment you can pop it right back on.

>>20367407
>carry scrolls of uncurse
>it gets cursed
checkmate atheist

>>20367360
>>20367407
Downloads are 404
Am I too low IQ for this?

>>20367421
*randomly teleports behind you*
nothing personnel jurefag

Changelog's been updated for 1.85. You can now force feed people your crappy cooking till they die.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29

>>20367902
>blacksmiths can now handle both functions of flying scrolls
Neat.
>Ano finally realized that he added an item to the music ticket vendor but forgot to increase the vendor's item count
Only took him a couple months, not bad.
>new kobolds added
Okay-
>most of their corpses aren't poisonous
wat

>>20367902
>They buffed Group Hypnosis even more
BRAINWASHING NEVER FELT SO GOOD

>>20367902
>Fixed some cases in which pet names don't change after evolution.
Will that change the names of my pets that haven't changed when I evolved them or do I just have to get another little girl?

>>20368227
You could just manually rename her.

Has someone managed to kill zeome on Omake overhaul? how many hours did it take to accomplish?

>>20368435
At least 3, probably more. Here's from my run, don't remember the exact time.

>>20368537
Ah, for an estimate, probably less than 40-50 hours?

>>20368537
>He ate the enemy
Who is the true monster here

>>20368564
That cat. How could something like that survive down there?

>>20368537
you learn spells from eating mages?

How complex is to play a mage in this game? i have always went melee weapons or guns

>>20368564
>he doesn't eat every unique boss regardless of whether it's good for you or not

>>20368581
It's a feature in OO. Mages aren't so bad, but you'll need to learn how the spell system works.

Read your books for magic ammo. Hot key your spells. Spam them like mad. You should probably specialize in just 1 attack spell. Beginners should go with magic dart. Cheap, easy, few enemies have resists to it.

OO let's you do some things like specialize in elements or create custom spells later.

Plus is a bit different.

>>20368435
It's not that bad. A fair bit quicker than a Vanilla kill if you're using the Bread "exploit", so a 20 - 30 hour odd run should be pretty viable and cutting that time down shouldn't be too bad.

So what's the point of flying scrolls if blacksmiths can do the same thing?

>>20369348
The blacksmiths are supposed to be very expensive tho

>>20369363
So are flying scrolls, and they're much rarer. They require exploring some moderately difficult dungeons or investing plenty into magic shops to grab just one. The rest start trickling in as you progress but it's still a a way to circumvent exploration. I haven't played it yet naturally but I already dislike the idea.

First playthrough of Elona+ Custom-G, any other mods that would still be "vanilla" improvements? Any worth playing on 1.77 or so (current version the mod guide's covered)

First playthrough, Elona+ Custom-G, any other mods that would still be considered "vanilla" improvements? Would it be worth playing on 1.77 or so, the current version the mod guide's covered

>>20367455
Use the bloodyshade one

>>20367407
Exorcist will significantly help out in the early game and, more importantly, will massively improve convenience for the entire life of your character. The luck feats are some of the worst in the game. +5 to luck is meaningless garbage. The difference isn't remotely distinguishable even if you take the feat all three times.

Cursed items aren't as harmful in E+ as in vanilla, but E+ also has the smallest number of worthwhile feats since the agile and ascetic lines are obsoleted by AP. You can take exorcist and still easily get everything worthwhile even without miromis.

>>20368435
I don't have the save anymore but I believe it took around 40 hours of playing casually. You could probably destroy him very quickly with a pet bell and food blessed by Jure or Opatos.

>>20369742
The only thing you're going to be able to stack on top of Custom-G are UI mods. Lots of people prefer Elona+ 1.77 over later versions because of the new thirst system, but since you're on Custom-G you might as well get the latest.

>>20370355
Is carrying around a magaqua so bad? If I need a potion I can throw it at myself.

Is there a reason my resistances shoot up super high while I'm using a Speed spell? I have enhanced spell power on my equipment but I can't think of a reason why that or anything else would impact my resists.

>>20369400
If I'm reading this right, the blacksmith one goes by 0.1s increments, which is bullshit tiny, while Flying scrolls work in percentages.

>>20370401
>Is carrying around a magaqua so bad?
Enjoy never getting a single Swimming level ever again.

>>20369348
Until hard numbers come in there's no way to tell, but in all likelihood we're looking at a cost ratio that will be prohibitively bad unless you're already at the point where money isn't a problem. Like several hundred thousand gold per .1s increment. And honestly with Elona+ being as easy as it is now as far as making money goes, even after the nerfs to making money, it probably doesn't matter all that much by that point, more of a convenience thing than anything.

>>20370988
Implying people have it high level anyways

>>20371404
>not training a Speed skill

>>20371461
Training Speed is pretty much useless when there's AP.

>>20371637
so is lulwy useless?

>>20371668
No, speed bonuses like the ones you get with Lulwy or riding are very useful, especially early on, but training speed takes too long to be of much difference.

>>20370401
Oh shit I never thought of that. Looks like it's time to upgrade.

>>20371637
Speed from AP is capped at 800 out of a possible 2000.

>>20370988
>Enjoy never getting a single Swimming level ever again.
Oh no not the shittiest skill in the game

>>20371461
>not training a Speed skill
Oh no not the most inefficient training method possible

Just put the magaqua away when you're in rain or water if you're that autistic. The real concern with magaquas is lightning vulnerability, but it's still easily worth it.

>>20372302
Or, instead of passing up a few free points of Speed, becoming weak to electricity, and having to permanently waste an inventory slot, you could just install Custom-G and forget that the entire stupid thirst mechanic ever existed.

>>20372343
Well I mean that's not a bad idea either. But if you're gonna play regular E+C you should have a magaqua.

String Assassin does help as a Farmer. How do I start gardening? And how hard is it to level in order to take advantage of the magical plant feat?

>>20372343
Fire attacks are a lot more common than electric, one inventory slot is virtually nothing if you're managing your junk correctly, the few points of speed you gain can only be trained when you're wet (which isn't often) but swimming can be leveled from traveling and magaqua gives you your swim boost at all times, and you have the ability to shoot projectile piss on command.

>>20372863
>watersports

>>20372849
Start a life in Yowyn and work on other people's farms until you can make your own. Then just do nothing but farm. Gardening is very easy to level when you focus on it.

>>20373001
Is that the 'pick certain number of crops' quests? Because I've failed all of them I've tried due to timing out.

>>20373057
you need strength to pick up stuff, just by doing the quest over and over your strength is trained which makes it easier the next time.

>>20373057
Use [*] to look at the size of nearby crops and go for the biggest ones. Also, if you're playing as a golem, you should get a mount to fix your low starting speed.

>>20373057
You want to get your gardening skill high for picking plants, your weight lifting and strength high so their weight doesn't slow you down, and your speed high so you do everything faster. Riding in E+ isn't nearly as powerful as it is in vanilla Elona, but it's still the best way to increase your speed in act 1. Get the riding skill from the Yowyn trainer if you don't have it and buy a horse from the Yowyn horse trader. At first only lame and wild horses are available (wild is better, of course) and better horses become available as you level up. Your next upgrade is the Noyel horse at level 10. Later on you'll want to catch something like a tyrannosaur or a jet plane in a pokeball and ride that. Though by that point you should easily pass gardening quests regardless.

I think that the unison impact skill can go a little crazy somethimes

Is there an option to update Omake's to +'s or another's revised sprite sheet that doesn't suffer from artifacting and MSpaint-sprite resizing?

>>20375419
You could always do it manually?

I want to make my pro-jet a proper Hoihoi but she can't build AP for shit and in melee she's a toothpick. She rarely ever uses her minigun.

>>20375631
There is no way to fix this without dedicating a ridiculous amount of resources to her and strictly her. She needs around 30 - 40 Hero Cheese alone to bring her Life back to a normal threshold, a good deal of Gene Engineering to get the right equipment set, then her stats need to be pumped up aggressively so she can fight in the deep Void since she can't gain AP from most of Act 2 and Act 3 normal nefias (her Speed INI is too high). The monsters above 832 speed generally are too difficult for the pro-jet to last hit on, especially with her default AI.

Your only alternatives are either to try Maile (I don't remember if Maile can even fix Speed INI, and even if it works you'd still be gimping the pro-jet), or you use elosnack.

The pro-jet is an extremely resource intensive pet.

>>20375631
>>20376864
It shouldn't be hard at all to raise a viable pro-jet if Maile can fix speed INI. She'd be weakened in the short term, but you'd be able to build up AP easily and you could fix her HP without wasting hero cheese. You'd only end up going down from 832 to 800 speed in the long run too.

>>20376915
That relies on a bit of ambiguity in Maile's actual function, because the only reason the old 133/2 INI build was possible was because Maile would recalculate INIs without touching the actual value of the stat itself (as long as the stat was under 50).

You'd either leave the Pro-jet at 102 speed (3 uses of Maile) or just go all the way and drop her down to 26 speed, which would be the ideal case assuming he has enough Hermes Blood to pump her back to "viable" value afterwards. But even in the ideal case scenario, the Pro-Jet's life should stay at 1 regardless since Maile wasn't intended to upscale Life or Mana by design.

>>20376983
>But even in the ideal case scenario, the Pro-Jet's life should stay at 1 regardless since Maile wasn't intended to upscale Life or Mana by design.

Not sure what you mean here. Are you saying AP from Maile's reset could, but shouldn't be used to give more life to a pro-jet because that is supposedly not intended? Also, it's fine (though unnecessary) to use a pet with speed below combat-viable levels. Just tag them with something that is viable and they'll catch up in no time.

>>20378380
No, I mean strictly from using Maile, it wouldn't increase the Pro-Jet's life value. There used to be some sort of bizarre bug where some people reported Maile increasing stat INI calc values to 50, which apparently included Life as well. (This should have been before Kai and the others had their session of INI minmaxing, which was around 2 years back I think, but Maile hasn't really gotten any changes to her functions or any bug fixe iirc)

Technically speaking if he was going from AP alone, and if he's sufficiently strong at around the same speed, he could probably just tag with the projet and go into Void 300+. I *think* 300+ was around the appropriate threshold.

jesus christ, getting hit by a doomed equip in early game in Omake Overhaul is a fucking nightmare, priests don't have the remove curse option and the stuff that removes doomed is fucking impossible to find, I think I should just create a new character to save time.

>>20378917
You can bless it with blessed water, use inferior scrolls to change it to raw and eat it, or spam dozens of remove curse scrolls. They're just weaker than vanish scrolls.

Any easy way to carry the nuke in OO with a lv1 character? i want to get the wicked treasure so i dont get penalties for fucking people

>>20379473
The wicked feat has extra consequences in OO thanks to it's faction system. Otherwise, nope. Even the dying trick only teleports you home, so you'd need to move your house to palmia.

>>20379487
So i just need to fuck until i get enough gold to buy the cheapest deed then move it next to palmia,i am stupid for not thinking that

thanks anon

>>20378917
Always take exorcist.

>>20379503
What if i cant move AT ALL while carrying the bomb? whats the solution here

>>20381201
Use the teleport feat to move around and savescum until you teleport to the very edge of the map?

>>20381211
I cant move forward even one tile,how do i leave them? or move around the map for the matter

>>20381211
Won't be able to walk off the edge. Basically, you can't really do this quest at lvl 1. The trick only works for nuking the elves in your house, since the game teleports you home when you die. You'll need at least half the bombs weight in carry capacity (buffed carry weight works, so use hero, gold gear, etc.)

Doesnt the golden knight exist in OO? just hand her the bomb

Any graphics pack for OO? the one i found seems to have some wonky/missing sprites like kobolds

1.22 OO ersion here

is purge mode any fun?

>>20383182
okay, I just checked it out and it wasn't.

>>20382893
Kobolds are a glitch in the game proper, edit your race.csv from kobold -> kobolt on line 3.

>>20383583
Cant tell if this is true or sattire

I honestly dont know jackshit about coding,what would changing that single letter do?

>>20384306
Names are everything in code. If you call something a kobold, then to the computer it *is* a kobold. If you misspell it as a kobolt, then it *is* a kobolt. When they were porting OO over, at some point they corrected this typo in the race files, but not in the code. So the computer thinks, eh, must be two different things. To fix it, you must undo that correction and call it a kobolt. For OOMSEST this problem seem to have been properly fixed.

>>20384306
Well you can try it and see if it works, if it does it means that the reference call is looking for the kobolt string instead of a kobold string. Basically the image data is called kobolt, so when it tries to look for something called "kobold" there's nothing there. It's not a very uncommon problem, especially for foreign games.

I should use 1.84+ Custom-G correct?

1.85 Custom-G isnt out yet,Plus and custom are though

>>20384643
If you're already sticking to Custom-G then wait for it to update. 1.85 isn't some major overhaul, there's no real rush to update. Then again I guess there hasn't been a major overhaul for a while.

>>20384715
yeah,i just like always having the most recent version saved in case some fuckup happens,even if that means never updating char file because rows keep being added around

>>20384643
Custom-G 1.85.1.1 should be out later today, tomorrow at the absolute latest. I'll give you a partial changelog:
>Barrel bomb recipe changed from "sulfuric acid+clay+urine+barrel" to "gasoline+sulfuric acid+organic fertilizer+barrel".
>Changed a line of the anniversary code from "kinen = 0" to "kinenflag = 0". (The "kinen" variable didn't exist anywhere else, so it was almost certainly a typo.)
>Reverted the nerf to the Decapitation special action.
>Changed one instance of "Deep-Sea castle" to "Deep-Sea Castle". (I missed this and "Deep-sea castle->Deep-Sea castle" ended up getting backported to Custom. I'm slightly embarrassed...)

A misread spellbook has rendered Palmia uninhabitable.

>>20384805
While I appreciate removing nerfs, wasn't that just a nerf to the buff added in 1.84? Which made it deal absolute damage by accident?

>>20384805
Nice,glad to hear anon! thats good news to me

>>20384805
>Changed a line of the anniversary code from "kinen = 0" to "kinenflag = 0". (The "kinen" variable didn't exist anywhere else, so it was almost certainly a typo.)
That's odd. The kinen code would make sense in the original Japanese, but I wonder if they just overlooked it when they ported it over.

>>20384841
You should probably read spellbooks in the wilderness. At the edge of the map, so you can get out of there instantly when something like that happens.

>>20384946
Looking more closely, the idea behind the 1.84 change was for Decapitation to not be a wasted turn if the enemy isn't quite low enough on health. Assuming I have time, I think I'll change it to just do a regular melee attack if the enemy can't be instakilled. I'll also reduce the SP cost to the original 10 SP.

>>20385080
>You should probably read spellbooks in the wilderness. At the edge of the map, so you can get out of there instantly when something like that happens.
Nah, this way is more fun.

>>20385080
There are enough bail out buttons in E+ now that it doesn't really matter if even the entire population of a town gets eradicated once. Honestly it's arguably a "good thing" to have the guards get killed a couple times since their levels will grow rapidly.

Will vore ever be added to custom G or thats a no no? thats like the only good addition i ever wanted from OO beside the negative feats

>>20385378
I thought the Omake line didn't make their source code available.

>>20385427
Cant the skill just be selectable via feats or add it once certain conditions are met?

>>20385853
The skill would have to be programmed from scratch to add it.

>>20385894
Isnt it just karata devour thing? or i am retarded

>>20385905
>thinking Voracity=voreing

Are you supposed to use the onhit effect of staves via melee attacks or just the stat bonuses?

Elona+ Custom-G 1.85.1.1 is now available:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qJra-NJ9GO3lkz-cVKvkJbxzxR99i2oc/view?usp=sharing
https://mega.nz/#!LRR2WC7T!1biEjSSk3aMhZeIs36l9BGxmv1aOEGd523gLZx5kXIQ

As near as I can tell, bomb barrels are like landmines, except instead of getting enemies to step on them, you need to get enemies to step on them and then light them on fire. I'm going to file it under "cool, but impractical".

>>20387028
You can throw them.

>>20387100
Makes sense.

>>20387157
They don't explode when thrown, you'll still need to toss a molotov after them.

Can you do the things with the little girl pet you might do with a real child?

>>20387254
Like, can you dress her up in cute outfits or teach her to read or take her to playdates with other children?

>>20387254
>>20387306

>>20387586
E+ has a skill called reading party.

>>20387254
Rub their head to give them a power boost? Yeah, of course you can do that.

>>20387306
Party up with a group of litttle grills, get Ensemble, and take your own little girl band on a wild musical tour across Irva while trying not to get killed by people throwing shit at you.

>>20320810
Should all the other gods be buffed up to kumironi level or should he be toned down a few notches?

like,as an autistic powerplayer like me,why should i worship ehekatl or mani when only Kumi and yacatech provide much better benefits in the long run?

>>20389483
Kumiromi already got nerfed. It'd be better to buff the others so that they have more of an impact, making choosing a god a significant choice. I'll toss out a few ideas:
>Double Opatos and Mani's passive bonuses from 10% to 20%
>Increase the SP cost of Itzpalt's ability to 20 or 30 SP but make it recover WAY more MP and add the Divine Wisdom and Attribute Shield buffs
>Throw out the "random MP cost" thing and move Yacatect's ability to Ehekatl; the goddess of luck should be the one that provides better drop rates
>Yacatect gets a strong money-related ability instead, maybe better prices for everything, or a way to spend money in battle for a boost, or the ability to summon a particular kind of shopkeeper

Useless stuff if anyone wants it

At what point do you get the option to pick a God? Or did I already miss it if I'm in the game?

>>20390225
go to a white thing above palmia, you can choose and change gods there.

How do i get alot of veggies for kumi? running around in the wilderness for leaves its kind of slow

>>20390675
Go to Yowyn and start a farm.

>>20390675
Plant veggie seeds on a farm.

any tips for maxing out opatos?

>>20390971
Plant gem seeds on a farm.

Farm

If I'm trying to focus on farming, would swapping Gods to the harvest God be beneficial?

>>20391117
farming is very helpful for cool onee-san yacatect

>>20390971
Just mine an entire dungeon floor.

>>20391117
You don't need any God to focus on farming. Farming is basically the easiest starter path that's designed to not need any Gods, and because generally the farming part comes before the praying part (due to the lack of easily accessible shrines if you're grinding for seeds and don't want to run back and forth), you'll see enough growth in farming even before the Kumiromi buffs make any substantial difference.

The Cute Fairy is a "nice to have" but not all that necessary.

>>20391441
idk dude, the cute fairy just feels as a must have if you want to plant useful stuff, unless you want to grind harvest time quest.

>>20391553
You don't really need to grind harvest time, you run a couple cycles and you should have plenty of seeds necessary to start the first farming loop. The Cute Fairy's limitation of seeds once per sleep cycle on very specific days (to get the right seeds) means that realistically it becomes a pain in the ass to manage compared to quest grinding. When the old anorexia trick worked, the Cute Fairy was a must have, but nowadays it's not really all that special. Arguably farming in general isn't all that special anymore given how easy it is to bypass.

Of course if we're talking about efficiency, neither of these methods matter if OP is using Inheritance or Reset Grinding (given that two of the easiest RG loops are also seed loops)...but we'll assume that he's not using either of those.

>>20391553
>relying on a cute fairy for seeds
Seriously? I've barely even gotten started with herb farming and I've already got five Kumiromi statues. I'm sure most high-level players end up with dozens.

>>20391690
It's a matter of timing. Some people jump to herb farming first and foremost, before bothering with the story. If they're trying to set up a full set of herb farms before starting act 1, well their options are pretty limited.

>>20389483
You can get some nice pets and items from the others, but Kumi is pretty much always the best long-term choice no matter which version of the game you play.

>>20390675
Learn the pickpocket skill. Steal unattended vegetables from yowyn and take them to the palmia altar. Give them a few days to respawn and then do it again. Get a rod of teleport to move people away from the vegetables or just kill them - generally the consequence for being caught stealing is worse than the karma penalty for murder.

>>20391117
In vanilla and OO Kumiromi's passive and his cute fairy pet are the only serious ways of getting a farm going. In E+ you can use the act 2 statue of Kumiromi and worship whoever. In either case it's worth worshiping Kumiromi long enough to get his gemstone. I haven't confirmed this myself, but I'm told that if leave Kumiromi and come back you can get multiples of his gemstone in vanilla/OO. In E+ you need to do the little sister quest to get duplicates.

>>20389483
Buff the other Gods.
Opatos gives passive PV on top of armour, and doubles - triples PV. Negates piercing and gives the player a fixed damage percentage reduction like Bells, but for any source of damage.

Mani triples - quintuples the damage from guns, basically a 1d10+10 weapon would now be a 3d10+30 weapon. All guns now hit every enemy on the screen per shot.

Itzpalt halves the cost of spellcasting, triples the effectiveness of Literacy so you can read shit like Wish at sub 50 literacy. Gives free spellbooks every day.

Ehekatl gives a fixed chance of getting random items of miracle quality every hour, randomly gives Godlike.

Jure gives a passive healing buff that activates every turn, heals something like 10% health or whatever.

Lulwy increases speed every turn while in combat for every enemy on screen, up to +2k speed. Speed slowly decreases outside of combat.

>>20392116
Please never get a game balance job

>>20392145
I think the point went right over your head.

>>20392172
Not that guy, but is your point Kumiromi's hideously OP?

>>20392185
Yes. Kumiromi is fundamentally broken, made worse in E+ because of how each of the niches work and the mechanics that have been introduced to address certain aspects of the game (like AP to speed, stardust farming, magic "ease of use" changes).

Opatos' niche was that he's some sort of tank character/earth God. This was fine when there was just one Act and there weren't a whole slew of enemies that could just break right through 500+ PV. Earth isn't even an element so lol.
Mani's niche is machines, tech, etc. Guns again were fine - up to a point. But aside from that he basically has nothing to call his own. Mani is so neglected that his area is barely touched even in Act 3. Garziem makes a point to mention that there isn't sub-quest data available because it wasn't made. (in the Japanese text)
Itzpalt being the magic god makes him about as good as a person willing to grind magic. Too bad when it comes to anything grinding related, Kumiromi is fundamentally better because stats scale much better than either dumping plat to grind spells or grinding spells manually. But if you play Itzpalt on a character that doesn't bother with magic, at best he offers a reading bonus, at worst he offers nothing at all.
Ehekatl can't even live up to being a RNG-God. She basically has no niche, especially when crafting miracle tier equipment isn't all that hard at all.
Jure has no real niche. Everyone and anyone can become a healer class. She doesn't offer anything all that special unless you want to count her Res Pet, which is arguably the only notable thing about Jure. It's not like she actually buffs the Cure of Jure spell either. Might as well just grind healing rain, which isn't even a late tier spell now.
Lulwy's speed boost looks good in the beginning, but if you minmax, you soon realize that you might as well just speedpush to Act 2, herb farm, then AP grind to speed cap, get past Act 2, and AP grind again to speed cap. 800 speed is basically enough to meet the needs as far as story goes, and Hermes Blood isn't hard to farm in the process.

Yacatect's niche is currency, which is nice, but at the end of the day it only mildly increases the grinding pace all in all. And eventually people get to the point where plat isn't enough to keep potentials at 400 across the board, and gold isn't an issue. Basically she plateaus earlier than Kumiromi.

Inari is basically Kumiromi lite. Other than for aesthetics and RP purposes, Inari doesn't offer all that much. If it wasn't for the bread exploit she wouldn't even be a good contender.

In a game which revolves around grinding, Kumiromi basically can't be dethroned unless the effect of Farming and Herbs is crippled (Even worse in Vanilla/Omake since the old Kumiromi exploits are available). If something like that happens people will scream even harder than when the waterworks update came in for E+.

>>20392289
>Yacatect
>Inari
Do you live in a parallel universe where Inari exists in Elona+?

>>20392395
I'm including the extra Gods at the end because regardless of whether people run Omake, E+ or Vanilla, Kumiromi is still broken. I only brought it up as a side note at the end, but because Omake (base/Overhaul/Baby) basically runs off of Vanilla, a lot of the old exploits like Fairy Seed farming and whatnot are still perfectly viable in it.

I mean I could have mentioned the current list of public Custom Gods in Omake too I suppose, but most of them are limited by the way the Custom God system works, so most of them suffer from the same faults that the base Gods have. Technically Yacatect can be made in Omake, though there's no real point.

>>20392289
I haven't been playing a whole ton yet, what makes him so OP? Is it the PER/DEX boost, or is the stat bonuses from high level food just too good?

>>20392755
Basically infinite sp and the stat bonuses from herbs

>>20392755
Elona as a game revolves around stats. In base Elona, the only real way to boost stats "quickly" is using herbed food, and the only reliable way to get large stacks of herbs is farming. The vast majority of Kumiromi's bonuses synergize extremely well with both Farming (with seeds) and Cooking (with sp), which is one half of the equation.

If you're trying to get a glimpse of how critical this becomes, the Vernis Reset Loop using the Slime Cave basically demonstrates what Herbed Food does (because it gives a free set of herbs and generally the Putits will drop corpses, which you can cook outside, and you *may* find a pot of mixing in the general vendor) The Reset Loop is basically an extremely condensed version of what a partially complete Herb Farm does (partially, because it doesn't address the other part of the equation, namely keeping potential high to keep the stat gains going)

>>20392755
You need kumi's statue for mass herbs in plus. You don't worship him to get this. The sp regen is nice for mass crafting until you get infinite restore body spell stock. It's not very useful outside of that unless you spam combat skills, and you can just rest to regain sp.

He's more useful in OO, since you can only reliably get seeds from him or his fairy. In addition he gets a super special that gives +2000% exp from eating when at high favor levels. It's still better to use custom spells for attributes since they go way above the 2000 stat cap. Ehekatl gets a similar special with +500% exp to skills. Combined with the ability to farm descent potions, most endgame players have max skills.

So is act III fun yet or what

>>20394608
what

>never even bothered doing any main story quest
>never got out of north tyris
>seeing anons talk about south tyris and acts all the time
Feels bad, so what am I missing by not doing the main quests? And at what lv/skill lvs should I be doing them?

>>20394707
Channel your inner corporate moto and Just. Do. It.

>>20394714
I want to know if it changes something though, anons make it sound like something changes when you complete an act, be it things spawned or whatever, so I'm curious about that.

>>20394707
>>20394724
Moving from act 1 to 2 only makes Gwen grow up, I don't think anything else changes
act 2 is good fun, but act 3 is a big mess of unfinished features/locations and untranslated storylines with a huge spike in difficulty

>>20394724
>>20394748
A few years literally pass. Important to note if you have a ranch.

>>20394748
>I don't think anything else changes
Leold moves to South Tyris and lets you spend AP.
>untranslated
>>20387028

I want to start a new character, anyone has ideas?

>>20395092
Mad scientist whose main goal in life is to become a little girl.

I love her to death,wish she was better anons...

I will sound like a ungrateful bitch but i wish the person (noa?) that keeps updating the game with unnecessary nerfs or additions like watersports focuses on god balancing sometime instead of things nobody wanted

Whats elona?

>>20395749
Nah, many of us think like that.

>>20395818
It's a genus of snails.

>>20395749
Noa is the creator of Elona, but he isn't working on the game anymore. Ano is the one working on Elona+, the variant with wacky updates like watersports.
There are other Elona variants out there, if you are interested. Elona Omake Overhaul gives new toys to all gods, like Ehekatl's Risky Dice prayer (RNG buff with a low chance of a debuff, will either give you stuff like 100% crit or increase damage received by x5). Or you can try to "recreate" her (with new benefits) by using the custom god feature.

>Enjoy some features from Omake Overhaul and Plus
>Can't have them together
Fuck, Elona Foobar when?

https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29793
>Partial changelog for next version
>Implemented a maximum and minimum cap on the amount of time passed per turn.

>>20396488
What does this exactly mean,timestop nerf?

>>20396488
>>20396545
Wouldn't that nerf speed too?

>>20396142
I know right? I want Omake Overhaul's adventurers, dungeons, and random encounters but not the awful vanilla platinum system. I want acts 2 and 3 with the extra quests, NPCs, and bosses but not Ano's shitty bloat and fetishes.

>>20396545
Probably just means that a speed lower than 10 or higher than 2000 (or whatever) is treated as a speed of 10/2000/whatever.

What early game monster is the most profitable in ranches? i am trying to get ehekatl under my sheets before i miss the chance to summon her on november

So i need a small castle and rank 1 ASAP

>>20396752
Putits for putitoros?

>>20396792
Shit,i literally forgot that exists

many thanks anon

>>20396545
Pretty sure that means actual time passing, ie days, years. As a nerf to time skips for farming and such, or so you don't have time pass super slow when you travel the world endgame.

That minesweeper quest is dumb,i expected it to be a cakewalk due to the low payment but no,my wizard got blasted to bits

It is better to do escort quests or doctor delivery quests?

>>20397742
Minesweeper is really easy if you use necromancy with high-ish level undead. They'll disarm/detonate all the traps for you.

>>20397767
Sense Object is all I need to breeze through it, although I assume it's much harder if you don't have wings.

Is predator class really that horrible? i just want to smash everything to bits

should i go warrior instead?

So i just made a pianist and started with a bronzework piano that weights 90 should i just restart?

>>20398275
You probably weren't gonna lug that thing around regardless. Parties have grand pianos pre-installed use those for now.

>>20398221
Predator's starting kit is kinda meh, and while Martial Arts can become one of the strongest combat skills in E+, in low/mid levels it requires tons of training just to become as good as a cheap weapon with a few +1 upgrades. Using claws and tonfas while leveling helps a lot but you will be weaker than other options for a fairly long time.

Why do parties always end in brawls and people dying?

>>20398951
Booze.

>>20396792
I've always had better luck making borgers. Cheese is the main roadblock but with patience and some good milking technique you can accomplish it just as fast as putitoros.

Is a platina bell that much stronger than a gold bell? i got one of each,one with lulwy bow and the other with a glass bow

should they get crossbows or ballistas instead?

>>20399455
Huge difference. The gold bell is level 1, while the platina... wait for it... is level 3!!! Iit's 3 times better.

guys, I think I've finally found a use for the rod of alchemy.

use it on cheap cargo to turn it into expensive cargo.

COOL ONEE-SAN YACATECT

>>20397742
>It is better to do escort quests or doctor delivery quests?

Delivery is slightly safer since your escorts can get killed, but do both. Also pick up the gardening skill and do harvest time quests. Once your character is stronger you can do all types of quests, but those ones are the best for getting a new character off the ground. Avoid the beauty and the beast escort quests unless you're sure you can handle the assassins.

>>20399455
Platina is very slightly stronger. If you're cheesing the early game I'd go with shurikens rather than bows and in the long term I'd go with laser pistols or machine guns.

>>20399943
Not bad. The classic use is to turn opened treasure chests into unopened ones.

>have been riding a Mra for a long time, since it's got decent speed and decent strength

>just realized that the japanese for it is マラ, i.e. penis.

>on closer examination, the sprite is indeed a giant mound of flesh shaped like a penis

>I have been riding a giant monster cock and didn't even realize it.

>>20400432
based

With seven league boots and an aurora ring enhanced with garok hammer you can get from noyel to port kapul in 2 days +/-

Is mutant any fun if you don't want to bother with save scumming? I feel like the extra limbs would be cool but I'm not sure if it's worth the speed penalty, specially since I don't bother with riding.

>>20401897
>I don't bother with riding
You should probably stick to non-gimmick races.

>>20401897
Riding is a pretty good idea for a mutant. The -15% speed penalty isn't the end of the world but it hurts. Depending on your luck it's possible that you could wind up worse than a standard character even with riding. Outside of E+ you can make up for the speed penalty with an extra speed ring so it's not that bad, but outside of E+ you want to be riding anyway.

I think a lot of E+'s changes make mutants less appealing. The AP system makes riding less desirable, which is what mutants use to avoid their speed penalty. The combo system and dual wielding being weaker/martial arts being king discourage the main build a mutant would use. The only really outstanding thing they have going is the 27 limb build which really, really needs riding.

You could always use Gavela and Icolle to reroll get back down to 13 limbs, and just retry their services until you get a set you like. That way you could avoid the speed penalty. It'll cost life, but these days you can make up for it with AP. With how good MA is it might even be a good idea to do the opposite of the usual mutant build and shoot for zero hands. One hand is also a good idea for a heavy weapon since you can get the two hand bonus without using up two equipment slots.

This is what I get when I try to start the game, help.

>>20402513
>the game
We've got like seven different varieties of Elona here, you're going to need to go into actual detail.

>>20402513
Either the room is fucked up, your character sprite is fucked up, or a sprite in the room is fucked up is what I'm thinking.

>>20402004
>>20402477
Thanks, looks like it's more work than it's worth which is kinda disappointing.

Btw does anyone know if any of the extra races have racial spact? I assume that they don't but the wiki mentions race exclusive special actions and is not clear at all if a player would get them by using these races. I don't want to check each one just to be sure, it would take too much time.

>>20402525
>>20402536
yeah my bad, I just downloaded the Elona + custom version from the thread.

>>20402610
Replace all your custom sprites with the original game sprites and see if that fixes it. If not, try replacing your current save with an older one. If that doesn't work, redownload the game.

>>20402612
works now, thanks now.

>>20402610
Make sure to set compatibility mode to windows 7 like it says in the OP.

What weapon should i give to my Quickling pet? someone here suggested shuriken or guns,are bows really that bad? even lulwy bow?

>>20402858
Yes. Because unless you're putting in the effort to make a living bow and tune it, or going for some sort of fully artifact forged Godly bow that you inherit down, bows have basically nothing that a shuriken can't do.

The main gimmick for the Wind Bow is speed. Quicklings don't need more speed because they already outspeed 90% of the enemies.

>>20402858
If we're talking Elona+ then it depends on where you are in the game. The problem is less that guns are better than bows and more that all ranged weapons fall off. Shurikens are good for fast weak pets in the early game because very little (nothing?) resists cuts and the bleed damage will add up. A quickling with Lulwy's Wind Bow will shred everything in act 1 but will perform drastically worse in act 2 and will be dead weight in act 3. The damage rankings for late game in E+ go:

Martial Arts/Magic > Two Hand > Dual Wield > 1H + Shield/Ranged

Also, living weapons are extremely, overwhelmingly good in E+ so if you have any living ranged weapons, give that to your quickling. Put all of the living weapon's levels into elemental damage. Pure magic element is your safest bet. If you level up a living weapon and it doesn't offer any upgrades you want, cancel out of leveling it and try again in a month. The only weapons that can beat living weapons are act 3 artifact fusion weapons and high level martial arts.

In Omake Overhaul ranged weapons are better but I don't know how much better. Supposedly the damage formula is better though I don't know the specific difference. You can also dual wield guns which might be good.

Why does my dude have pregnant? I was looking for a way to kill this bard with Stradi and noticed I got it. Thought that was enemy only

>>20403471
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29/1.60_-_1.69#1.64
>The player can now use Pregnant special action when pregnant.

>>20403471
Do you mean...
a) You have the Impregnate Special Action.
b) You are pregnant
c) You have an item called Pregnant.

>no impregnate special action that makes the child be the race of the parent
>can't impregnate little girls to spawn more little girls
I'm a bit surprised that with how crazy elona is, no one implemented something like that, even if just as a joke.
And looking at the code it probably wouldn't be impossible to make

>>20403596
vanilla impregnation sounds too boring for elona.

>>20403643
It's not vanilla impregnation though, it's mass impregnation since it would work like the aliens.
>Little girl spawns little girl that impregnates the guard that spawns another guard so on
Nevermind, now I see why no one implemented it.

I am confident my pet will solo zeome,otherwise it will be a very short honeymoon

>>20403714
Zeome is pretty easy, yes.

Has anyone converted the old character/music packs to work with the newer versions of E+ and E+C? Ended up just booting up my old E+ 1.47 install when i had the itch to play the game again.