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Shiki can kill servants. Discuss.

Reality Marble: Expression of the mage's inner world, can only be used by the most powerful of magi, vampires usually have it simply because they have a lot of time to be very powerful magi. The world attempts to crush it because it's unnatural. Basically you're overwriting the laws of nature with your inner world.
Marble Phantasm: Ability to change nature, unlike Reality Marbles the world accepts the change. Therefore really fucking powerful.
Noble Phantasm - An artifact (Weapons, armor, shields), property, skill or deed that has passed to legend. Can usually be invoked to produce some sort of effect.
Broken Phantasm - Dumping a lot of mana into a copied Noble Phantasm and using it as a grenade.

>Reality Marbles

A bounded field (area of magic) of immense power; it creates a new Reality.
The basis of Reality is the "true form" of the owner's mind. As Shirou's mind is a "sword", so does his Reality Marble make a reality of swords.

>Marble Phantasms

The ability to take an infintesimal chance and make it infinite.
Example, if you were to have a bag of 1000 black marbles and 1 white marble, a Marble Phantasm will let you pick the 1 white marble without fail. It does not intercede in the real reality (Gaia's reality), as it is within physical law. A Reality Marble recreates physical law, and could do something impossible such as make all the marbles white instead.

>Noble Phantasms

The legendary weapon of a hero.
Just as heroes are legendary, so too do they have a signature weapon or item or action or even allies. What is King Arthur without Excalibur? What is Odin without Gungnir? What is Robin Hood without his Merry Men?
It's "their" weapon, and the symbol of their strength as a hero.

Marble Phantasm - Probability hacking
Reality Marble - Reality hacking
Noble Phantasm - Attached to legendary spirits
Broken Phantasm - Taking a Noble Phantasm and pushing it to the limit. It's really just a plot device so Archer doesn't suck.

>Marble Phantasms

The ability to take an infintesimal chance and make it infinite.
Example, if you were to have a bag of 1000 black marbles and 1 white marble, a Marble Phantasm will let you pick the 1 white marble without fail. It does not intercede in the real reality (Gaia's reality), as it is within physical law. A Reality Marble recreates physical law, and could do something impossible such as make all the marbles white instead.

>>2027523
Servants exist.

I'm not surprised.

Should I be?

>>2027567

Yeah, that really worked didn't it

Reality Marble - Originally created by the 'imaginary gods' Demons. It's the projection of the world inside of you mind or in some cases a group of people into a reality.
Marble Phanatsm - the ability to pretty much rape with reality all you want literally turn the Earth to cheese as long as you can imagine something happening it will be done.
Noble Phantasm - An object with high magical capabilities that surpasses normal things can't really explain think a magical item.
Broken Phantasm - if you imbue a Noble Phantasm with Prana or Odo it will expel it on contact with something of course this is stupid as you would normally loose the rare magical item that there only '1' of.

TYPE-MOON wiki it. They explain things pretty well.

>Marble Phantasms

So what's an actual example of one of these in the Nasuverse, and not a NP?

>>2027615
Arcueid using wind to cut Roa down to his ankles is an example.

>>2027612
>the ability to pretty much rape with reality all you want literally turn the Earth to cheese as long as you can imagine something happening it will be done.

No, this would be impossible.
It has to be at the very least SLIGHTLY possible.

>>2027633
Then where does the vacuum that eats Roa up come from? lol I always interpreted as that.

>>2027633
Has to be possible within nature, or within Gaia's capacity. Gaia doesn't have the capacity to destroy itself, so Marble Phantasm can't create a scenario in which Gaia ceases to exist. No destruction of the world or everything on it.

>>2027633
Not really, hell Arcueid can erase shit from reality with proton decay (unproven but who cares)

>>2027644

If wind moves fast enough, it will shred things.

Arcueid just made the wind go FUCKFAST in Roa's direction.

It's entirely possible for wind to be going 7000MPH, just really unlikely at any given time.

>>2027664

Essentially, except you're controlling probability.

>>2027633
>It needs to slightly possible

Heart of Gold, much?

>>2027665
Same diff.

LET'S TURN PEOPLE INTO PENGUINS.

>>2027674

Not possible unless they have the chance to become penguins beforehand.

Marble Phantasm works on Earthly measures, universal quantum fluctuations are not counted.

>>2027659
Hahahaha that in my opinion is strange as aren't these beings supposed to be able to hit mach speeds. although I always literally thought a vacuum or something had really erupted on the spot. But then isn't there problems that don't even exist in the current 'reality' like Castle Brunestud and stuff like that. I know Arc has to be in CM personality when she does that.

>>2027681
The castle Brunestud do exist in reality.

Although I'm wondering HOW does it make it appear. It's not likely that a castle moves by itself at ANY time.

>>2027681

Millennium Castle Brunestud IS a Reality Marble.

Also, 7600MPH is MACH 10, dude.

Wait or is the method pf Castle Brunestud similar to a Demons existance where they both 'exist' and are 'non-existent' at the same time?

>>2027679
*snaps fingers*

>>2027693

>The castle Brunestud do exist in reality.

In its own reality, maybe.

Gaia wants to crush it.

However, it's the Reality Marble of Type-Moon. It might even be the "higher" Reality Marble like Crystal Valley.

>>2027704
>Gaia wants to crush it.
Sauce.

>>2027695
Saber moved mach 13 and passed four kilometers in an instant infate/hollow as SHIROU'S Servant therefore this is her UNDER HEAVY LIMITER's and Dead Apostles are supposed to be able to mach most Servants. Though Roa can't even really be called a Vampire really anymore he lost all his original abilities...

>>2027721
That's with Command Seal boost, and Command Seals are capable of teleporting a Servant, which in turn borders on True Magic.

Every time I read "millenium castle brunestud" I think of "castle greyskull" and He-Man.

By the power of Greyskull!

>>2027715

Gaia doesn't like other realities.

Any other realities.

>>2027730
No the command seal jusy removed most of the limits on her abilities all the things shown for the Servants in the Fate series are all them under limiters of their original abilities therefore Lancer who did a 50 meter 'backstep' in an instant could probably do about 125 in his lifetime. The limiters of there abilities vary depending on how good the magus is.

>>2027721
Primate Murder needs like 7 Counter Guardians to beat.

And is Teleporting really that good Araya can do it after just '200 years of living as a monk and going on concept' I think even Bartholmeloi can do it to.

>>2027747
No, just to hold it down.

>>2027742

>therefore Lancer who did a 50 meter 'backstep' in an instant

(It was 100 meters, he just crossed 50 of them in an instant and jumped at the 50 meter mark.)

Now, 50 meters per second is about 111 miles per hour. We'll say he was going 10 times that, and then double it because it was 100 meters.

2220 miles per hour going at absolute max speed.is still only about Mach 4.

>>2027742
BS

I doubt any hero could TELEPORT himself on his lifetime.

Somebody post CG dragon

>>2027755

Mach THREE is 2283.6 miles per hour.

>>2027750
Alright I am starting to regret posting that as that even sounds to me quite ridiculous lol I mean a concept itself doing an ability like teleporting and a family of super mages from the age of gods wouldn't be that surprising to know an ability like teleporting...

>>2027759

>>2027754
Oh yeah. Well, that would make an awesome plot for another VN.

Another grail war starts for some stupid reason, Primate Murder shows up and Shiki's like "O hi shiro wanna team up?" and brofist it.

>>2027721
>>Though Roa can't even really be called a Vampire really anymore he lost all his original abilities...

In Tsukihime, he just hadn't remembered his Magecraft yet. He's actually very much an above-average Dead Apostle if he can remember Square by the time Arcueid gets to him. The original Roa was like the Church's answer to Zelretch, so even though he'll never get that kind of power again, nobody else will either.

>>2027770

Yes!

>>2027772
Inmediatly afterwards, they're both wiped out.

The end.

Really, you don't want to put the big dawgs on Fate or Tsukihime. They're so overpowered it's not even funny.
Nasu must've been really high when he designed that shit

>>2027772

1. Neither Shiki nor Shirou have a chance against Primate Murder, even together.
2. The Holy Grail Wars are over forever at all 5 ends of all 3 routes.
3. You're so silly.

>>2027772

>>2027756
You'd be surprised how fast some of the heroes in Nasuverse move it's quite ridiculous...
>>2027755
But he did that without even trying as how he looked when he got to the distance he was like shrugging 'good enough I guess'.

>>2027781
I think he was just trying to figure out "NOW WHO CAN BEAT GOKU!?". Still, I want some stories on these guys. They're interesting.

>>2027786

>But he did that without even trying as how he looked when he got to the distance he was like shrugging 'good enough I guess'.

What?

He was going FULL ON MURDER MODE to KILL ARCHER DEAD for INSULTING HEROIC PRIDE AND HONOUR etc.

That was his absolute maximum speed as the absolute fastest Servant.
Mach.
Fucking.
Three.

>>2027750

Teleportation is spacial warping. SERIOUSLY FUCKING POWERFUL.

Araya can do it due to the Ogawa Mansion being practically his own body and therefore an internalized effect. Barthomeloi cannot do it.

ORT > Type Jupiter = Ado Edem > Type Saturn = Crimson Moon > Type Pluto > Type Venus > Primate Murder > Original Roa > Angra Mainyu > Gun God (Black Barrel) > Zelretch > Counter Guardian Archer > Dark Sakura = Gilgamesh = Arcueid > Dark Saber > Lancelot = Saber > 5th Berserker = Roa Elesia > Dark Berserker > 4th Caster > 5th Lancer > 4th Lancer = 5th Caster > 4th Rider > 5th Rider > Nrvnqsr = Clairvoyant Fujino = Kurogiri > Archer = 5th Assassin = 4th Assassin > Aoko = Kouma = Barthomeloi = Kojirou = Ciel = "Ryougi Shiki" = Soren Araya > Touko = El-Melloi = Night of Wallachia > Sion Tatari = Melty Blood Satsuki = R.Shiki = Akiha = Fujino = 18th Roa > SHIKI = Arba (potentially) = Heaven’s Feel Shirou = Kiri > Nanaya = Reinforced Kuzuki = Sion = UBW Shirou = Waver = Bazett > Avenger = Rin = Kotomine = Zouken = Luvia > Kiritsugu = Irisviel > Maiya = Arba (usually) = Leysritt = Tsukihime Satsuki = Lio = Avalon Shirou = Sakura = Ilya = Kariya = Len > Kirie = Caren = Meruka > The Dead = Possessed Corpse = Azaka = Misayo = Dragon Tooth Warrior = Fuji-nee > Fake Shiki > Shinji = Ryuunosuke = Tomoe = Gun God (unequipped) = Hisui = Kohaku

>>2027776
I'll admit that but it takes quite a bit of time for him to get all of his past memories (Not even counting if he has full control of the body) and with BOTH Arc and Ciel both chasing after him. But now that you say that how beast would Roa have been in Ciel's body with full magic abilities.
>>2027781
Seriously it's like sicking Cthulthu on an ant or something.

>>2027784
Heh, That pic reminds me of Rin's UC ending. Shit was so cash.

>>2027784
Rin is a true bro.

>>2027808

I still think Ado Edem should be placed higher.

>>2027810

>Seriously it's like sicking Cthulthu on an ant or something.

Now let's set something straight right now.

Cthulhu isn't even in the "up theres" of the Lovecraft mythos.

Cthulhu is just "that guy what messes with human's heads".

His only powers are driving pyuunie hyuumans crazie.
If he were to try to get into a physical fight with ANY of the other Great Old Ones he would be beat the fuck down, especially by the physically powerful ones like Ithaqua's mighty arms or the sun-like flames of Cthugha.
If he were to even THINK of showing himself against the infinite Outer Gods he would die utterly and truly in an instant.

IA YOG-SOTHOTH FAI'THRODOG

>>2027825

ORT would probably own them all, though

>>2027828

Maybe all the Great Old Ones, and especially Cthulhu.

Outer Gods? Maybe lesser ones like the nameless pipers and the vast vast majority of Nyarlathotep's forms, but not the TRUE INFINITY of Azathoth and the MYRIAD OF INFINITE INFINITIES of Yog-Sothoth.

>>2027799
Nasu said Lancer was the best Dasher out of all the Servants so he should be able to beat Saber in an immediate race if he wanted to and Saber can move Mach 13. whatever.
>>2027808
I think Kurkiri is ranked out of his 'potential' abilities not his real abilities as he is too much of a sissy to really kill anyone. And Types don't die even when there killed as they were created from the God that said 'fuck off your annoying me I don't care about your prayers and whatnot'.

>>2027828
ORT's the guy who's magical energy is so strong you can't get near him without dieing... or something, right?

Where do you guys get all your information?

Millennium Castle isn't Crimson Moon's RM. His Reality Marble was that he could exist in every True Ancestor as a potential for reincarnation. Only Arcueid was close enough to properly reincarnate, though. The Crimson Moon is still sleeping inside her.

>>2027837

>Nasu said Lancer was the best Dasher out of all the Servants so he should be able to beat Saber in an immediate race

I don't think he included Command Spells.

>Saber can move Mach 13

With a Command Spell.

>>2027810

Square, with all it's dimension distorting, EX goodness, is well worth that wait, though.

As for Roa possessed Ciel, Elesia, while being possessed by Roa, was able to fight toe-to-toe with Arc without breaking a sweat. It wasn't mentioned if the memories of Square had been etched into Elesia by that point, but it just goes to show.

>>2027843
Right, as an alternate personality.

What does Square do?

And what's up with that silly name?

>>2027828
ORT is so strong that he fights against himself and WINS

>>2027847
Fine what if Lancer was in Ireland and used all his runes to speed him up I know he has runes for various things like making Gae Bolg into an 'A' rank noble phantasm and stuff.

>>2027817

ORT > Ado Edem, who admitted that Type-Jupiter was his limit.

>>2027861

If you were even talking about Dead Apostles being close to Servants you would know that Dead Apostles do NOT have trump cards like the Noble Phantasms.

SO, to reiterate, Mach 10 wind is pretty rending to anybody, including Servants.

>>2027856
Square is a Numerology spell which pretty much makes all spells like 3 or 4 times the normal power and Roa has a Reality Marble that uses this spell on EVERYTHING HE DOES. Seriously imagining Kiritsugu using this with him speeding up his body would be awesome.

>>2027864

>who admitted that Type-Jupiter was his limit.

Maybe he was just being humble. lol

>>2027874
Pretty sure Roa's ability only affects spells based on Kabbalah or other number-based sorcery.

>>2027885
Or, rather, Numerology itself and the principles of Kabbalah that Roa based it on.

>>2027856

Square in the mathematical sense, that is. Square is an extremely potent Magecraft amplification spell capable of elevating any bout of thaumaturgy up to the rank of EX. The original Roa initially used it to create miracles nigh on par with Magic whenever he felt like it, but Square in the hands of any of his reincarnations is just an efficient way to utilize Great Rituals instantaneously and to make giant blasts of lightning that act like they were fired from Ea.

>>2027876
Some of 'em do Both Fina-blood Sveltan and Rizo Waal strout both have immortality do too a time curse and Blackmore has a reality marble that works specifically on the dead.

>>2027864
What's the source on that?
And we never heard how powerful Mercury and Jupiter are in relation to each other, ORT is only confirmed to have the highest "strength".

>>2027808
Fucking fails for having Gun God above servants, any of which are fast enough to kill him before he can even aim.

>>2027885
>>2027891
Oh... Is that it knew it was too powerful to be true.

>>2027885
>>2027891

You're probably right, but it doesn't matter since Roa only ever knew Kabbalah. Didn't really need anything else, though, 'cause he was going around doing crazy shit even though Numerology is supposed to be gawkingly basic.

>>2027906
I thought Numerology was simply looked down upon as a main magic like Rune?

>>2027901
>>2027906
I might be wrong, but that's the limitation I recall was that it was Numerology-restricted.

>>2027920
Roa was just extremely skilled with Numerology. A match, placed properly, can burn down the greatest fortress.

Roa is to Numerology as Shirou is to swords.

Willing to bet Roa's ultimate Thaumaturgy is a spell called "Ein Sof" which multiplies his spell's power by an "infinate" variable.

>>2027920

Numerology even more so because it's just a subclass of Gematria which is part of the Kabbalah school, whereas Rune is a school all its own. The original Roa was so amazingly powerful solely because he was great with Square, able to make even the most insignificant enchantment into a full-class miracle. Speaking theoretically, he probably had extensive knowledge of Magecraft outside his own, but if he was able to use it, he certainly didn't.

This thread makes me weep... This is looking way too much into a fictional world.

>>2027958

Welcome to /jp/, bro.

>>2027958

This goes on in nearly every serious type-moon thread. You really ought to be used to it by now.

Original Roa was a Calculator?

>>2027958
It's just fun, man. Don't think too hard about it.

>>2027958
You probably shouldn't visit /tg/ then.

>>2027974
Roa is an evil mathematician that kills people with magic based off of numbers.

He's awesome.

Just thought this would be a good opportunity to ask for sauce.

This is the Original Roa.

>>2027951

You're forgetting the nature of Roa's original body. You know, the whole deal with his massive amount of extremely high-quality magical circuits, backed up by his whole "breathing and walking (something that Aoko and Ciel do to)" thing that gave him ungodly mana efficiency. Jesus motherfucking Christ, the original Roa was fucking hax.

>>2027986

An evil mathematician that ended up abandoning his original Souren-like consciousness and instead becoming the diabolical douchebag of a washed-up piano teacher that is SHIKI-Roa.

>>2027996
Yea, the older the mages are the stronger they are normally lol.

>>2028004

>washed-up piano teacher

?

>>2028004
Ironically, he's more awesome for it.

Fucking up Ciel's life and being a prick every chance he gets. That's our Roa.

>>2027941

I don't think even Roa could pull that shit off. A natural occurrence's effect being multiplied by infinity would probably end up either
a) busting up even his Magical Circuits
or
b) destroying the world.

It's an awesome thought, though.

>>2027996

>his whole "breathing and walking (something that Aoko and Ciel do too)" thing that gave him ungodly mana efficiency

Wait, what? Who taught Roa how to use the Ripple? When did this become JJBA?

>>2028023

When "ora" became "roa."

>>2028023
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxWlMrWsQvo

Watch up till Roa's second arm.

>>2028018

Kohaku calls him this in Actress Again after the latter reminds the former of how he used to rape her everyday. Piano teachers are commonly held to always be FABULOUS in Japan.

>>2027799
Saber moved faster than mach 13 with a command spell.

>>2029488
Command Spells can force near-miracles (in theory, if you were in space and gave a command spell, the Servant could appear there).
So not the same.

>>2028023
Wait, what? Who taught Roa how to use the Ripple? When did this become JJBA?

I now have the image of Araki doing a rendition of Tsukihime.
It is Glorious, Flamboyantly Camp and MANLY FUCK AWESOME.