/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>20247111
>>20247117
Ok I guess I'll print one of each with the rulers and then print 92 blank so I can practice 1 letter in 2 whole pages.

just write them 50 times in a notebook ezpz

>>20247138
I don't know if I should do it without a ruler first. I don't want to learn the characters wrong.

first time nihongoer here wanted to try my hand at some advanced nihongo so i read one of many high quality japanese posts of djt out loud >>20246150

https://vocaroo.com/i/s0NJabBE8RAZ

thoughts/suggestions? only interested in input from advanced posters

>>20247145
>only interested in input from advanced posters

sounds like a job for jamal

>>20247105
You don't need to write at all, and you certainly don't need practice sheets. If you really want to write for some reason (again, you don't need to), just buy a notepad.

>>20247155
why would i input on my own post

please cut out the jokes serious replies onry

>>20247162
but the guide says that writting is the best way to learn the characters...

猫

>>20247170
cute

>>20247163
aw fuck i didn't realize that was posting sorry senpai i only skimmed the post and wanted to make a little joke at your expense

sorry

>>20247170
post ウサギs they are way superior to gross ass 猫s

>>20247166
The guide is bad and wrong about most things, you shouldn't follow it.

>>20247201
what the hell then why is it on OP?

Ankidrones who waited until they were 2k words and then read Tae Kim and started reading, how'd it go?

>>20247207
that anon is wrong

the guide is mostly fine, you can go ahead and follow it

welcome to djt

the guide is trash

the posts are trash

this place is just a "circle jerk" and "echo chamber"

>>20247191

>>20247215
I'm confused now.

>>20247221
Is the guide absolute trash or is it good?

>>20247222
look at this freakin bunny

とてもかわいいですね

>>20247229
Maybe

>>20247213
reading still sucked because i couldn't parse sentences in the beginning but vocab mostly comfy, although i still had to look up words all the time even for basic content (and i droned up to 4k)

>>20247243
you know what fuck all of you I'm following the guide 100%, I go and get my hiragana practice sheets and start writing.

the guide is in the OP because trying to replace it with something that doesn't suck cause this one of the residents autists to try to fork djt and risks djt getting banned

just remember that the guide was made by beginners and everything will make sense

is there something like core but better

>>20247272
vncore

(serious answer)

>>20247270
This, AJATT is way better.

>>20247272
funny you should ask

>>20247279
i am im just thinking of doing some vocabulary in Addition to the anime

who did this

How much of Tae Kim and Anki do I need to start reading Yotsuba?

>>20247288
considering youre the only one whod be caught dead on reddit here it was prolly you

>>20247272
I did VNcore from op link (1250 card), most of 2kcore but quit it, now I'm doing 2k VNcore with the audio and it's not bad. It's like a baby core deck so I do my reps of 50 new cards a day in about 10 minutes. It's good for listening practice though. I also got a custom deck over 1000 cards now too. Anyways do what you want, have fun, but make sure you're doing stuff that helps you.

vn core is terrible. Does this even go beyond n4?

>>20247276
Would doing both side by side be dumb, I started re learning nip on a bet that I couldn't read VNs in a year

I haven't done Anki in 3 weeks and I got a queue of 1368 cards. Is it over for me?

Do I have to write the characters perfectly in order for people to understand? I see so much emphasis on balance and stroke order, does it really matter THAT much?

>>20247294
about tree fiddy

https://i.imgur.com/Cf7kwSh.jpg

This is real learning.

>>20247302
yes your time of being epically retarded has ended and you can sail smoothly towards the ever elusive nihongo perapera should you choose

>>20247278
ajatt is worse.

>>20247294
all of it, just read it all, put some fundation. you can probably finish it in less than a week if you put 1-2 hours a day.

>>20247306
why imgur

では、DJTを始まるよ

>>20247297
it has a maximum of 1250 cards that should answer your question for you and also show you that you're an idiot for asking

if you're using shared decks past """N4""" level vocabulary (which is a meaningless bullshit benchmark in the first place because the JLPT is garbage until N2) you're doing something wrong

>>20247317
sharex

can I really make it?

>>20247322
oh ok

>>20247166
The best way to learn them is this:
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/kanawrite.html

Make sure you learn how they're all supposed to sound first though.

>>20247207
>>20247223
The guide is a mix of good and bad information. It tries too hard to be impartial and ends up listing a lot of time-wasting, ineffective things because of it.

Here's the TL;DR of what you need to do:
1. Install Yomichan or Nazeka or RikaiRebuilt.

2. Read a beginner guide like Tae Kim or Sakubi. Don't expect to understand it all and do NOT try to memorize it. Consider watching raw anime as you do this while listening out for the grammar pattern you've learned about.

3. Either part way through reading, or after you've finished reading your chosen grammar guide, begin reading and listening to Japanese media aimed at native speakers (go with whatever it that you're interested in: anime, visual novels, whatever it is that YOU want to read/listen to). Expect to not understand a lot at the beginning, but know that the more you read and listen the better you will get. The more time you can devote to reading and listening every day, the faster you will improve.

4. Use Anki to aid in memorizing vocabulary. Use the Anki integration of Yomichan/Nazeka/RikaiRebuilt to automatically generate flashcards for words you want to learn, then review them. More info: https://pastebin.com/5ydgiy5A

始まらせる

>>20247320
lol thats terrible. Can someone make a real vn core deck already? This is a really terrible excuse.

>>20247329
my bro
if you want a big hugeass shared deck then you're not gonna learn japanese
you're gonna be an ankidrone
just start mining like good old man djt says

>>20247299
it really doesn't matter

the purpose of droning core is to frontload some vocabulary acquisition to make reading less of a chore - whether this is a good idea is ultimately debatable

vncore probably has better ordering, just do that for a while and then start reading your gay VNs

>舐め取る
I'm pretty sure this means "to lick" but what's the difference with 舐める?

>>20247336
I'm already good enough to read vns in japanese. I'd love a list for nasty kotowaza and yojijukugo though. Also understanding the news and academic papers is on my plan for the next years.

>>20247320
Agreed, I look at the shared decks as a booster to make reading a little quicker at the start, now I make my own decks. Transistioning out of shared is smart though. If you get good you can fly through the shared decks though so I mean I'm not against them besides the fact they're boring.

>>20247327
why are you telling people to watch raw anime while posting a picture of subtitled anime

nice mixed messages lol its good youre in the elite class of sub watchers but please dont misrepresent the epic eigo sub squad with your bullshit thx

>>20247340
取る is a grammatical aspect suffix here just like 連用形＋返す・返る and てくる or ておく glhf
>>20247341
there's no simple "good enough to read VNs in japanese" for you, if you can read all VNs in japanese then you already know japanese and if you can't then you still have some VNs left to tackle

>>20247327
Oh well I guess I'm not too bad since I'm reading Tae Kim and doing hiragana practice.

>>20247341
>can someone make a c o r e deck already
>lol im actually already past needing to study the core
wow what a retard

I was able to read Sayooshi but I struggle with stuff like Saihate no Ima or Chuunishit like Sora no Baroque and Paradiselost.

>>20247357
there you go just keep on developing that there literacy by reading and optionally mining

>>20247362
I want to read some actual japanese literature like Mori Ougai, Kirino Natsuo or Akutagawa Ryunosuke. Anyone experience with reading while having a paper dictionary on the side? That must take a long fucking while, especially because of the pre-modern japanese used. (Bungo)

>>20247367
my friend if you're worrying about your 文語s then you still have a long road ahead of you

>>20247371
Well I don't have 広辞苑 lying at home to look up when necessary.

>>20247367
real talk youre prolly 100000 hours away from that unless under adult supervision

also ima category 5 is out of the question just stop now

>>20247374
You appear to have access to a computer though so it's not clear why you would even consider using a relic of the 20th century.

>>20247376
Well I was able to read "I'm sorry Mama" by Kirino Natsuo just fine. But thats 現代文学 so not that impossible.

Does anyone here use Clozemaster?

>>20247398
meme addon for memeing your studying process and reducing the amount of compelling content you consume

watashi gei （確信）

>>20247390
a

>>20247351
Why can't I find shit about this in say dictionaries or grammar references?
Should I just think about it as a colloquialism and move on?

ゑ

So I'm gradually making my way through Tae Kim, I've just got the the essential grammar part and started Masu / Desu then seen this:

>昨日、時間がなかったんです。

I know what it says, but what I don't remember coming across any rules explaining a conjugation of a verb after a particle or is the nakatta just being used as a noun and is the past tense of nai in this case?

>>20247272
VNcore as it's free. There's Nayr's 5k which includes sentenes. Also, there's JLPT Tango books that Matt's crowd are working to get into Anki. They're sharing it to with people that show they own the books, but you can find links somebody in the archives. https://youtu.be/wbHtoNuVIgE?list=PL1jyoT2-mS4V_DiMSA7vZSxp5d_idnBPM

>>20247388
i dont read books cuz that shits for squares but i dont imagine shit like 鼻 would just completely break down into madness for you

btw for anyone else・・ vocaroo challenge?? step forward if you dare

>>20247435
>（確信）
Why do Japs write emotions in brackets all the time in comments?

>>20247390

Day 10

>>20247467
時間
が
なかった・無かった
Also no offense but this is really fucking basic, use a rikaisama replacement to try figuring out things like these on your own

>>20247327
How do I get translations if I'm reading manga?

>>20247478
I'll challenge you soon, and I wont use a wallmart mic so you can actually hear me

>>20247497
You don't. Don't rely on translations at all. Avoid them as much as possible.

>>2024749
you draw the kanji out on a phone, works good

do thry have memes like this in Japanese im looking for more ways to immerse

>>20247479
idk (笑)

>>20247500
i read it in character dude

>>20247480
Best chapter

>>20247503
I meant like how do I get yomichan to show me the dictionary definition if im reading manga?

Also, what should I put in the back of my anki cards? I tried to use {dictionary} but it appears as blank space.

>>20247507
thats not a meme thats really fuckin sad :'(

What's the best pen to write kanji with?

>>20247517
You can't use Yomichan, etc. on images.

For images, you'll have to use OCR. See the guide for info. For VNs, you'll want to use a text-hoooker like ITHVNR (again, see the guide).

>Also, what should I put in the back of my anki cards?
The pastebin I linked explains the different options.

>I tried to use {dictionary} but it appears as blank space.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/anki.html#import

By the way, if you're using Yomichan, be aware of this bug:
https://github.com/FooSoft/yomichan/issues/118

If you're using RikaiRebuilt, be aware of the same bug plus this bug:
https://github.com/Garethp/RikaiRebuilt/issues/3

>>20247541
Just trace it on the palm of your hand with your finger

Jamal, I found something you're going to love.

https://forum.koohii.com/user-5053.html

>>20247541

>>20247545
this helps a lot, I like to write it on my hand and say it out-loud helps me memorize it quickly.

So Japanese characters sounds almost exactly as Spanish what the hell, pronunciation is piss easy.

>>20247550
hi jamal here, yeah i totally luv dis

>>20247550
second day here, please explain the jamal meme.

>>20247570
now onto reading ;)

Coming off of Kanji isolation, 6000 or so vocab and finishing Tae Kim and occasional glances at the grammar dictionary and a total of 6 months study time, I read my first hour of an untranslated VN. It was slow but I say I understood 80 odd percent of it. Should I power through it and learn as I go on or do I go back to the mines?

>>20247550
lol what a surprise dolly chan is an active user on one of djts favorite websites

i dont have any strong feelings about that but if theres any good posts (im not sifting thru that shit) put em up

>>20247580
Don't do isolation anymore, just go for what you think is fun to do.

Hello

I bought Genki I to self study since it was recommended by friends and others who have used it. I looked through the first page and I saw about 100 different characters I have to learn. I was just really intimidated: is it normal to feel this way? How should I tackle Hiragana and Katakana? Also, does Genki I do a good job in explaining?

Thank you

>>20247580
>Coming off of Kanji isolation, 6000 or so vocab
Asking for reference, are you autistic?

I started reading this but the exposition feels like it was written by a 12 year old.
>"rich from stocks xD"

http://ncode.syosetu.com/n4185ci/5/

Anybody read this before?

>>20247575
He's a rap otaku x shitposter who spends his every waking moment here making lower-case shitposts, spamming Japanese rap videos, and forcing memes like "10000 hours of English subbed anime" and "manga isn't reading".

About 50% of the posts in any given thread are made by Jamal. He seems to have made it his life's purpose to shit up these threads as much as humanly possible, but it's anyone's guess as to what he gets out of it.

>>20247450
look at examples of other compound verbs ending in 取る using a dictionary

https://jisho.org/search/*%E5%8F%96%E3%82%8B

取る expresses a recession, return to a previous state, withdrawal, taking-in of the results of an action or situation, or doing something in such a way that it finalizes on a result that has a lasting effect on the subject

if its on syosetu it prolly actually was written by a 12 y/o

>>20247608
i guess if you just throw all the shit at the wall some of it will stick ┐(‘～` )┌

>>20247580
>It was slow but I say I understood 80 odd percent of it
Explain what you understood from what you read. Thinking you understood it doesn't mean you really did.

>>20247550
why does curedolly need a pop-up dictionary?

https://forum.koohii.com/thread-15119-post-251440.html#pid251440
https://forum.koohii.com/thread-15119-post-251572.html#pid251572
https://forum.koohii.com/thread-15119-post-251574.html#pid251574
https://forum.koohii.com/thread-15119-post-251579.html#pid251579
https://forum.koohii.com/thread-15119-post-251757.html#pid251757
https://forum.koohii.com/thread-15119-post-252306.html#pid252306
https://forum.koohii.com/thread-15119-post-253630.html#pid253630

>>20247623
judging by the last post she uses it for j-j dictionaries, otherwise she wouldn't be recommending rikairebuilt

>>20247587
>I bought Genki I

>>20247587
>I bought Genki I to self study
wait, hold on while i laugh even harder

>>20247623

>>20247632
but she's supposed to be fluent. why does she need to use a dictionary so often that she has to install a pop-up dictionary in her browser?

>>20247655
did you know?

japanese to japanese dictionaries....
are made for japanese people

>>20247585
Thanks for the advice.
>>20247622
Alright.
>mc is walking on his way to school
>he sees this bishoujou
>he's captivated by her beauty and her heterochromia
>she goes to an all girls school
>he goes home still thinking about her
>his imouto who goes to the same school as odd eye tells him the school is becoming co-ed
>he asks if it was possible to take the admissions test
>she says yes and presses him on why
>he tells her the story
>says he cant stop thinking about her
>she tells him it's love
>she helps him with studying so he can enter
>small time skip
>his grades improved greatly
>whilst he was getting happy he looked over in the mirror and realised that he was a fat fuck
>and if he wants to get closer to odd eye he has to become an ikemen
And that's where I stopped reading

>>20247661
and ichiban tsuyoi gaijin

>>20247661
dolly chan sensei is not a japanese

shes a android

https://streamable.com/3wbx4

>>20247641
>>20247633
hi jamal

>>20247580
>I read my first hour of an untranslated VN.
What VN?

>>20247575
He's a member of the community who posts urban immersion content and wisdom like curedolly. He's not as bad as they say and all shitposting gets attributed to him but there is worse people here for sure.

>>20247661
and how many of those do you think use a pop-up dictionary in their browser

>>20247672
0/2 homie i dont laugh at genki boys they should get genki

>>20247674
https://vndb.org/v13260

So if Jamal is responsible for 99% of the shitpoosting, then what would happen if we get another Jamal, or worse, aussie shitposters?

>>20247681
that looks like a great game to hate visual games forever because of

>>20247689
im just literally responsible for everything wrong in the world and if you got another one of me wed do the fusion dance and become black hitler

i mean ssj3 black hitler excuse me

>>20247689
Australians have nothing on Jamal.

>>20247587
I bought Genki, Dictionary of Japanese Grammar, Tae Kim, Flash cards, Japanese picture dictionary, put tags all over the house of what stuff is in japanese, shop at the japanese stores aroud here, etc. I mean if you want to get good you'll try everything. Personally I didn't like genki but it will break the ice on things. Breeze through it and if it's your only book it will last for a while, but you should move on to better things when you can. Make things hard on yourself and you'll climb faster.

make things hard on yourself and you become @sentenceminer lmao

im gonna become black oh shit better get back to reading then

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1434910726
Is this the VN core deck all you niggers are talking about? there's nothing in the guide

Reminder that you won't learn Japanese if you spend more than an hour a week on DJT or more than an hour a day doing "studying" that isn't reading/listening practice. Not can't, won't.

>>20247719
>being black in current year.

....

>>20247721
could you delete your post and edit it to not say the n word and then post it again plz

it's not on ankiweb, it's in the guide under cor

Which is your favourite japanese author? Mine is Murakami Ryu

>>20247721
no, vncore is the 1250 card deck in the itazuraneko library
edit the url to change the domain name to mega.nz
the deck you linked is serviceable (it's sort of bad but it's still better than core2k/6k) but it's not the one people are talking about here

>>20247721
>>20247729
meant to anchor

>>20247730
sei shojo

ez

If you're a beginner and you don't know the readings or meanings for words, then isn't it worthless to read without looking up words?

Is kanojo to kanojo no koi a good VN for a beginner that just finished Tae Kim?

>>20247739
no its just worthless to read in general and you need to watch more anime with english subs

>>20247730
I bought 69 by murakami ryu because dogen of all people said it was good and for the same reason I am now avoiding reading it.
I don't have a favorite author because have only read like 10 light novel volumes, anime is better than books because it is more epic.

>>20247739
Just look up the definition, not the literal translation of the word.

>>20247623
>but chollywomples I missed Sanseido's nice concise definitions
>chollywomples

post good rap to learn.

Bros what shall I do? I learned kanji and readings with RTK and stuff now I can read simply read 90% of materials but I don't know what it means?!?

now you want the rap music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87qdxfJIz4E

>>20247762
Just turn on english subtitles for your book.

>>20247762
Just get anki and put the definition

what a trainweck of a language lmao.

>>20247478
Just finished RTK so I'll upload a recording of this in a bit.

>>20247570
europeans say this a lot but i wonder if your japanese accents all sounds like ass

>>20247623
are there pop up dictionaries that automatically translate upon hover for other languages? if japanese is alone in this i'll be surprised.

>>20247744
not even close fellow joker

>>20247801
There are two for Chinese:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/zhongwen-chinese-english/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/perapera-chinese/

Dunno about other languages.

>>20247807
I started reading the guide because of that game, I guess I'll should read yotsuba then...

>>20247819
there's a part that will absolutely kill you unless you can read close to the speed of a literate japanese native and have normal reading stamina instead of a learner's reading stamina so uh

>>20247778
Yea english is a real shit show luckily a logical language like nihongo exists

>>20247830
Oh well...

I guess I have a long road to go before I can play this game.

>>20247819
easiest vn
japanese wasn't that difficult

seriously just play video games the ones that have more playing and less reading

you dont need to bombard yourself and make life aids

just get a little bit at a time and have fun : )

>>20247842
I learned english in the span of a couple of months.

>>20247879
coming from an asian language?

>>20247575
you know i won when they talk about me instead of explain the meme

how did japanese people come up with such a based language

>>20247895
No I'm a native spanish speaker.

>>20247902
fuck off and suck on a japanese vagina.

>>20247902
based on what?

彼氏は寝ていて、退屈。日本語を勉強しようと思てたけど、やる気が出ない。。漢字を勉強するたびに集中がすぐなくなってぼーっとしちゃう。会話力、聴解力はまあまあいいと思うけど、漢字の自習は全然進めない。Help

>>20247907
ok

>>20247907
that's why I'm learning the language you asshole.

彼氏は寝ていて、退屈。日本語を勉強しようと思てたけど、やる気が出ない。。漢字を勉強するたびに集中がすぐなくなってぼーっとしちゃう。会話力、聴解力はまあまあいいと思うけど、漢字の自習は全然進めない。Help

now all we need is someone to post that letter and were really ballin big

>>20247327
Fuck off fail autist.

I cant read T.T

>>20247963
le epic fail xDDDDDDD

>>20247967
good news

>>20247970
Now I can read, but what about reading japanese?

>>20247357
It's bad enough that you're a visual novel shitter but using roomaji is terminal cancer
Don't ever post in these threads again

>>20247991
you don't belong here

>>20247991
its roumanji

>>20247996
What does this character mean.

>>20247998
旧字体 for 心 I believe.

lengwini

>>20247907
>t. korean

>>20247978
good news v2

TEME

>>20247991
pretty sure visual novel shitter is not a actual thing nice try troll

ITTAI NANIMONO DAA

>>20248017
this is some epic win

ジャマルエスップト

hey all first time nihongoer here just learned hiragana and a few katakana and finally decided to take the plunge and install flashcards but i keep getting this error

help

could you at least bother to spice up the filenames wtf

just filter it imo

what if you accidentally drop a good meme and i miss it

>>20248060
lmao so much win

>>/jp/image/2Hm1SvzlOpNjz2eufLf1zg

should I set my mouse to 500hz or 1000hz for anki?

>>20248074
lmao dang all of those are really good i must say

thanks for allowing me to get high off my own supply once again

>>20248074
trusted download on cnet im fuckin dying

>>20248074
i find myself really fond of this one

>>20248063
But then how would posterity find his incredible, informative posts?

>>/jp/?task=search2&ghost=yes&search_text=&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=%E3%82%AD%E3%83%A3%E3%83%97%E3%83%81%E3%83%A3&search_datefrom=2018-07-29&search_dateto=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=new&search_capcode=all&search_res=post

>>/jp/?task=search2&ghost=yes&search_text=&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=Capture&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=2018-07-27&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=new&search_capcode=all&search_res=post

愚民政策 theres a yjjkg for everything

>>20248106
the first link is mostly my posts

the second link is mostly not

be more like this guy if youre gonna do that shit >>20248074

>>20248106
posterity is for social media fags ephemerality is where the real fun is at

should i start naming them imouto again

How much time do I need to spend with Japanese before I can understand this?

Maybe a week if you have a good kojien table and a grasp of bungo. This has not anything to do with modern japanese at all.

>>20248227
cursive ftw

https://lhscan.net/manga-living-in-this-world-with-cut-paste-raw.html

good for beginners?

>>20248319

>>20248319
why ask, just try to read it and see if it's too hard

seems like a little too much fantasy oriented vocab right off the bat for a beginner

わしはみんあ大好き。を勉強に覚えます。

彼氏は寝ていて、退屈

彼氏は寝ていて、退屈

What are you currently reading/playing/watching in Japanese?

the latest game from japan called my while sleeping boyfriend TAIKUTU

>>20248372

This

is it better to put the kanji or keyword on the front side of an anki card?

why not put it in your brain

>>20248390
why limit your options to two when you can do neither and delete anki from your computer?

>>20248227
How much time do you need to spend with English before you can understand a medieval manuscript?

>>20248227
any do-jins for this ??

hey so where do I rip audio from if neither jdic (jpod101) or jisho (wanikani lol) has audio for the word I'm looking for audio of

>>20248581
you could check forvo and if it's not there either you should reevaluate your priorities

>>20248372
You wouldn't have heard of it.

Are you pronouncing マンコ correctly?
https://forvo.com/word/マンコ

>>20248372
スマブラDXをプレイしながらしろくまカフェを見てる

https://forvo.com/search/空閨

lol

>>20248597
>Pronunciation by saikachi (Male from China)

>>20248614
smash fags are fuckin AIDS!!!!

https://forvo.com/search/凌辱

Monolingual dictonaries are a fucking blessing after sticking my ass in jisho for too long

>>20248674
Is jisho really that bad?'
I use kotobank or weblio but jisho helps a little too. Tangorin is nice too.

jisho is near actual trash

>>20248685
Yeah I use kotobank, weblio and some epwings in tadem with qolibiri. And yes jisho is fucking shit, just look at this garbage.

This isn't even the worst examples. Jisho is great for beginners but you should fucking wean yourself off it ASAP

there's literally nothing wrong with jisho for people learning japanese

speaking of which surely theres at least a few ultra benevolent autists why arent there community translation projects of the daijis why did people waste their time with jmdict etc

>>20248703
A good dictonary can explain a meaning of a word without falling into jisho autism. Jisho has good defs but most of the time it's multiple garbage.

>>20248703
yeah theres nothing wrong until you meet a word like 出撃 put it into jisho and become no less lost than you were originally

>>20248704
Translating a monolingual dictionary isn't a good way to make a bilingual dictionary, you're just going to end up with something uglier than jmdict. Although it might be a good idea for the retards who write grammar guides to actually learn Japanese and take some explanation cues from J-J entries on particles and grammar.

>>20248714
parsing the stilted constructions in jisho is still faster for the vast majority of learners than using a monolingual dictionary. in the image linked 1, 2, 3 are basically all "reach", 4 is an specific construction (with explanatory reference) and 5 is a genuinely separate definition.

>>20248724
it's about 10x faster for an english speaker to look up sortie in an EE dictionary than 出撃 in a JJ dictionary because if you're still at the incompetent level at which you must look up words like 出撃 then 敵を攻撃するために陣地・基地を出ること is going to take you more time to read than "an attack made by troops coming out from a position of defense"

btw 彼氏は寝ていて、退屈

>>20248736
出撃 was a joke but theres words that mean a variety of things depending on context that really dont teach someone how to understand the word on jisho at all

>>20248728
>, you're just going to end up with something uglier than jmdict
i dont see how one of jishos problems is it gives you too many words where a translation of a jdic would be succint

>>20248736
Thats the thing anon, I wasn't at an incompetent level, I just put off J-J dictonaries because of thought it was a meme but dear god im never listening to /jp/ again.

Also wasn't there that one guy in these threads who manged to find the most common dictonary words and just learnt mostly monolingually anyway?

ah yes that guy

>>20248748
Yeah im that fag. I wouldn't reccomended it too absolute beginners. It was hell but it was worth it for me imo but I won't really recommend it unless you really really want to learn Japanese

>>20248756
I understand that you wanted to get rid off english and shit but why that fucking early?

you're not going to learn anything from a dictionary, the only reason to use one is when you're stuck and can't make out what something means, and if you can't tell which sense is being used then you're better off consulting Q&A sites or just moving on and doing something else, not trying to find a better dictionary

it's true that jdic/edict/edict2/jmdict has a lot of misleading definitions but they are becoming less and less of a problem as time goes on because you can edit jmdict as will (your edits just have to be approved by one of the maintainers. some of them don't actually know japanese, but it filters out trolls, unlike wiktionary.)

http://www.edrdg.org/jmdictdb/

>>20248756

>>20248760
>youre not going to learn anything from a dictionary
>except the definition for a word you dont know
h u h

>>20248765
guess how i know you're a beginner

>>20248760
frankly the answer to this issue is better input

theres lots of words i never really understood until i heard someone in person use them and was like ohhhhhhhhh nice

>>20248768
you dont cause im not

>>20248772
but you are

>>20248760
correction, you won't learn from an english dictonary. If you use a jp one you're pushing your jaypee muscles more often than not, mix that with immerssion and you'll be fucking golden.

also what >>20248769 said

>>20248775
if you say so just dont be so obvious about being too lazy to use a dictionary

>>20248777
you're not going to learn from a j-j dictionary either bucko

>>20248782
Ever heard of using a language to learn a language anon? you should try it sometime.

like it or not but J-J dictionaries give the exact meaning of the word.

i don't feel like i'll ever acquire enough vocab. i read for a few hours each day but it just doesn't feel like enough.

>>20248779
you sure are assuming a lot, are you by any chance projecting?
>>20248786
guess how i know you're a beginner

>>20248786
watch out bruv my mini mes are on a rampage

>>20248790
youre the one that cant grasp simple dictionary entries so you need to be spoonfed off of qna sites

>>20248790
You can't even properly write in English, faggot.

>>20248786
>like it or not but J-J dictionaries give the exact meaning of the word.
The fact that someone can believe this is hilarious.

黒人嫌い

>>20248790
If you find J-J's difficult then that says alot about your japanese anon.

Like this one should be piss easy for you

尽力　（じんりょく）
ある目的の実現のために、力を尽くすこと。

>>20248793
on the contrary, i understand what something like
>漫才などでボケに対して指摘や合いの手を挟むこと。または、その役割の人、その行為の内容。笑いどころが何処であるか明確にしつつ話を進行する役割を持つ。漫才だけでなく日常でも用いられている語。
is leaving out, and understand that you need someone to actually explain it if you want to understand it better than you can pick up from context. definitions are inherently limited because they can only contain so much information.
>>20248794
you don't know japanese

>>20248748
if you're mostly fluent in japanese and only have to look up rare words use a J-J dictionary
everyone else use a J-E dictionary

spoilers: at most one out of five people in this thread fall into the "mostly fluent" category

also thrding >>20248769

>>20248747
Can you give an example? J-J entries tend to be way longer and include more senses, and use concepts that don't translate well to English. I don't really see how you conceptualize the translation of a J-J dictionary looking.
For example try this:

命令
1) 上位の者が下位の者に対してあることをするように言いつけること。また、その内容。「─を下す」

What are you going to do with this source material? English already has a different word with a similar definition. Are you going to just extend the jisho definition "order; command" to a longer sentence with one or both of those words in it? What would be the point?

JMdict and bilingual dictionaries in general are supposed to work like a thesaurus. If you need the finer details, you read a monolingual dictionary. If you're not good enough to read a monolingual dictionary, then you don't need the finer details. I agree that there are some words where a larger explanation would help and jisho doesn't deliver, but replacing every entry with a translation of Daijirin is not the answer to this problem. The entries should just be reconsidered with the information in a monolingual dictionary in mind, at most.

>>20248798
you sure are assuming a lot, are you by any chance projecting?
>>20248802
that definition doesn't imply anything that the jmdict entry doesn't, good job picking one of the few cases where jmdict isn't doing anything wrong

So much trash in 1 minute lmao

>>20248801
> at most one out of five people in this thread fall into the "mostly fluent" category
true because there's only 4 people here

>>20248802
oh i just realized my response might sound like i was trying to disagree with you sarcastically, i was actually agreeing, sorry about that

>>20248805
Im assuming you're good enough at japanese to put off monolingual definitions anon.

>>20248799
At least I'm not a Dunning-Kruger faggot, that thinks that actually knows Japanese.

kotobank: 黒色火薬・発色剤などをまぜ合わせて筒や玉などに詰め、点火して破裂・燃焼させ、その色彩の美しさや爆音などを楽しむもの。
jisho: fireworks

which of these definitions is more useful for a japanese 101 student

all aboard the djt dog van https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4AmLcBLZWY

>>20248813
but you are
that is the exact role you're playing right here and now

>>20248813
oh hey its you lol still waiting for you to power up mate

>>20248790
>>20248793
>>20248794
>>20248795
>>20248799
>>20248801
>>20248805
>>20248810
>>20248813
>>20248820
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBwKBXjJXM

if you got more than zero yous in that post you need to leave

>>20248826
i am exactly 0 of these posts ftmfw

>>20248830
i got six how'd i do

>>20248805
Those cases aren't "few" though, they make up almost all of jmdict the way I see it. It's not like I cherrypicked, which is why I asked for an example on the other side.

>>20248835
you got the high score congratulations you now have aids

literally worse than the kuronbo larper

>>20248840
well for example for 放課後 it just says "after school" but that doesn't specify where the line is drawn when it comes to extracurricular after-school activities, however most j-j dictionaries i just looked at are also nonspecific about it so who can tell
basically most dictionaries suck and even when jmdict is shitty it's only a little shittier than j-j dictionaries on average

is this ninja really sayin hokago is a hard thing to understand dogg just watch k on

>>20248862
huh what's that? *cleans out ears* can you say that again? something about a ho-kah-gay?

How do I say autism in japanese

>>20248866
no thats naurto you wanna watch the one with the high school girls

>>20248867
萌えゲー

>>20248867
彼氏は寝ていて、退屈

>>20248869
oh kantoku's doujin circle name? im down

>>20248857
not him but I got this:

学校で、その日の授業が終わった後。 for 放課後 from the "大辞泉" epwing. maybe I should share some of the dictionaries I got because most of them are pretty succinct.

I think it's using the right dictonaries.

>>20248879
Fuck I meant it depends on using the right dictionary like kotobank and goo.

>>20248879
sure but what about extracurricular 課業s

>>20248867
dont worry i still got this handy dandy link in my big list of shit i post in djt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOB-TKNVbJA#t=457

also 彼氏は寝ていて、退屈 is acceptable

>>20248885
they don't count but they don't count in "after school" either so you picked a pretty stupid example

dam, this thread's... bad

Imagine arguing over the meaning of 放課後

now that i think about it more in some ways english glosses are superior because they can be equally vague just like "after school" so really jmdict wins epic hard here
>>20248890
lmao what

>>20248898
exactly

2k threads later retards still trying and have quote discussions unquote like wow

>>20248890
dude i usually dont interfere with the jungle but im gonna need to have your posting pass

you are out of order

>>20248893
>>20248895
>>20248904
i'm happy to entertain you all as long as i can upset cultists in the process thank you for having me

>>20248910
ah yes the classic haha i was just pretending to be retarded LOL U MAd?? XDddd

>>20248906
sorry i have basketball training in the gym after school

no one here is a cultist we just pretend cause djt memes suck so bad

>>20248910
dont get it twisted babey this isn't funny it's just lame and kind of exhausting to be around. remember when people in this thread had normal conversations me neither

>>20248914
can't tell if upset or just new
everything i said is factual and not retarded
it just also happens to be shitposting

>>20248918
and this is why i typed in 課業 instead of 授業 oh wait you didn't notice because you don't know japanese and don't know the nuanced difference and also checking a j-j dictionary won't help you because dictionaries suck time to go look up some qna sites

>>20248922
im sorry its prolly my fault just blame me

>>20248885
Same person again And I literally searched the definition for the word you're looking for.

"課外活動"
学校の教科学習以外の、児童・生徒が行う活動。ホームルーム・生徒会・クラブ活動など。教課外活動。

Again pretty fucking succinct. Might be difficult for some fags here though

>>20248889
what is he saying?

>>20248932
badposting on this level can't be blamed on just one person.

>>20248934
extracurricular and after school are completely different though something can be either and not the other or alternatively both at the same time

>>20248935
you tell me >: )

>jamal
>jamal's apprentice
>babey guy
>me

oh boy are we blessed to have so many wonderful lower case posters

>>20248926
same difference mate i have intense schoolwork lessons with miss nakadashi after basketball training

you are probably the same guy who thinks sakubi's example for わけ is properly translated huh u dont know japanese my ass

>>20248942
this is a hilarious way to out yourself as not knowing japanese
tell me, why do you do this to yourself

>>20248937
i think of it like you know how every action has an equal but opposite reaction

its because i posted this >>20248769 that it just created a worm hole directly into the ass of goatse and all of goatses rectal contents were then jettisoned into the thread

again gomen its all on me

>>20248948
ブーメランだぜ n3-kun

lowercase posting should be a bannable offense

>>20248952
imagine posting this and thinking it means what you thought it means

Fuck it guys. Japanese is easy. Time to learn Korean and write essays about japanese-korean relationships and finally cause a new war between the countries.

>>20248938
I think thats common in both english and japanese dictionaries though but fortunately input and context can solve that shit but most definitions of words are succinct, it's what I use now'er days.

I think goo dict is probably a damn good monolingual dictionary, most of the time.

>>20248954
does japanese count as uppercase or lowercase posting

>>20248942
babey guy ftw

>>20248959
i mean you're clearly ultimately right but i continue to question various minor statements you made
however it's not worth anyone's time and it seems that i've spent more than 30 minutes in djt today so i must leave

>>20248965
You're proabably mixing me up with someother retard. I think mixing J-J dictionaries with input and context is probably the best way to learn imo.

J-E is great for beginners though

>>20248965
how many factors of 30 minutes was it

jisho is frankly the english subs of dictionaries

Thread's usually dead at this time but based anon started the fire

>>20248970
that's exactly what i mean by being ultimately right but making questionable minor statements
>>20248971
came back just to answer this
between 1 and 2
ok bye

>>20248957
彼氏は寝ていて、退屈

>>20248985
I suppose "minor statements" can be substituted for "opinions" anon. Have a good day and good luck on learning moon.

dang you ever have a dude just call you questionable and then chunk up the deuce like that

also 彼氏は寝ていて、退屈 lmao

>>20248994
help i need a mouse over dictionary for this post

>>20248994
If you know your shit then yeah, but thats fucking rare here

i love how you can force shit and make it seem like its hayaru with such a low poster count

>>20248997
"To show love to your homies on the streets. Also, to show respect or peace to fellow gangstas. If ya with me, please do chunk up the deuce."

Urban meme dictionary

>easy: manga, jrpg
>normal: vn
>hard: ln
>who do you think you are: wn
>shortcut to becoming a nihongo genius: anime

>>20249005
can anyone confirm so i can put this on an anki card?

My i+1 has been NHK Easy for like 3 months now, how the fuck do I level up? Am I a dekinai? I refuse to believe it.

>>20249008
try something harder may i suggest kino's tabi from the djt library

>>20249006
>ln's
>fucking hard
only if you put off reading early in your jp studies. Also a good beginners ln is unironically kinos journey, go fucking read it.

>>20249006
i learned through poorly translated manhwa

>>20249008
By moving from something that has "Easy" for a fucking title.

>>20249012
ive read 3 volumes of kino and it's easy to understand but that's not typical of "ln format" which is usually "this sentence is 8 lines long good luck picking it apart dumbass"
ln isn't necessarily """hard""" so much as "more difficult than the stuff below it and less difficult than the stuff above it"

>>20249006
anime isnt a shortcut its very much the long way but its a working way

>>20249019
The only way to level up is to push yourself with slightly harder stuff, Shouldn't that be obvious?

stop being a pussy

>>20249019
>this sentence is 8 lines long good luck picking it apart dumbass
this isn't typical LN format either, unless you're into the nastily wordy stuff

>>20249019
Then I recommend fucking GJ-bu.

>>20249019
>this sentence is 8 lines long good luck picking it apart dumbass

This must be fucking haruhi or one of the monogatari LN's

>>20249011
>>20249018
That doesnt magically level you up. Do you know what i+1 means?

krashen is a hack but you guys suck his dick because you think hell guide you to fluency

>>20249036
maybe it's just coincidental that the last handful of lns i've picked up were all like that nonstop from the getgo but it seems like they tend to ramble on and on without ever putting a period.

>>20249033
that's literally what i'm doing i'm not sure where in my post i implied that i wasn't doing that but go off i guess

>>20249039
i'll look at it i guess

>>20249045
pick up an ln from the library and see for yourself that almost everything does this once every few pages

Are there any manga I can read with rikaichan? Or any other interesting/funny/cute things with a high picture to text ratio?

there's a meaty 5 line sentence here but this is like the limit

>>20249046
A sentence that you can almost completely understand except for that """"one""""" word.

Yes I do anon, and thats why Im saying to fuck off from NHK easy, thats baby tier japanese with baby tier i+1's

>>20249007
here u go dude lmao http://vmashup.com/Lvld61hW

>>20249051
Those 8 liners will still level you up whenever you like it or not anon, suck it up

>remember 菜食主義者 after reading it once
>still consistently forget くれる
brain why

Are those apps in the phone that make you write the kanas good? I really don't like writing in pen and paper.

>>20249077
go in hard and buy brush pens you coward

>>20249058
You're wrong, i+1 are sentences you can understand, maybe with some dictionary help, but you can't produce. Maybe actually read Krashen before you pretend to understand his theory.

i+1 now?? man were just on a roll hitting all the aids shit right now

Google translate is unironically the way to go.

google translate is pretty good sometimes ┐(‘～` )┌

post that andy milonakis vid where his phone told him hes gay after japanese man speak into it lol

>>20249053
you're just going to have to read ln's like the rest of us, might I suggest キノ

read haruchika its ftw

>>20249008
Try google news in japanese. It's not as easy as NHK easy but it's not as hard as regular NHK unless it's super political or something.

what does わけ mean

>>20249174
in conclusion

>>20248996
It’s not even grammatically incorrectly you idiot

I like WIJ

why dont we have anime viewing parties

>>20249174
the same thing it means in 申し訳

>>20247122
https://blog.goo.ne.jp/excelkoba/e/481734f84628844b5f57409a29481298

>>20249191
u mean like a anime club?? *looks at the camera*

>>20249180
*turns to the audience* now this boys is why you cant take anyones word for anything around these parts

*ahem* or as one might say 会話力、聴解力はまあまあいいと思うけど *stifled chortle*

>>20249197
yeah except we know a bit more nihongo than just desu and kawaii and none of us are girls

>anime club
we would be EXACTLY this cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5y3NQi_RAY

>>20249202
But I don't know Japanese, I'm just practicing kanas and deluding myself into believing that if I learn all the kanas I will be able to understand japanese.

>>20249202
are there usually girls in anime club

>>20249173
Neat, thanks

>>20249215
thats already more than 99 percent of people in whatever country youre in
>>20249218
ye theyre super skeevy like if you dropped radioactive waste into the sewer and it developed a taste for yaoi

>>20249212
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5y3NQi_RAY#t=114

Why is DJT so nice to everybody?

表現力のある者を探しているのでござる。貴様らの間にござるのか。

djt has a big heart

and a big rest of them

>>20249212
pretty funny

>>20249226
never met a real fujoshi, i think where i live they aren't the type that actually talk to people much less join school clubs

my mental image of an anime club girl is the slightly retarded and extraverted type who just thinks naruto is really epic

>>20249253
wow youre on some shit homie i cant actually touch your post without a hazmat suit so thats as far as i go

彼氏は寝ていて、退屈

妹は離れて、最悪

妹は寝取られて、最高

お前は死んでる、もう

あ、最高のやつ・・・

おにいちゃんおきて、あそぼ

this is the worst thread in weeks, i formally apologize

sorry for everything except pulling out the epic new taikutu meme i am forcing on the mount stupid guy

no im the one whos sorry back off dude

i want you all to apologize for not appreciating my glorious shitposting

theres not much difference between genius and retard if no one can understand you

btw if i made posts complaining about my posts not being appreciated it would never end

so in order to succumb to that depression i just post more to dull the pain

>>20249302
sorry

assuming perfect knowledge, you can verify genius in polynomial time, but it takes exponential time to rule out genius when something is retarded

>>20249302
also sorry

i feel like i randomly went from "able to comfortably read my material" to "not able to understand fucking anything" and i'm just this (_) close to the dreaded "stupidly going back to beginners guides" trap

>>20249323
that means you finally started unlearning "intentional" grammar and your brain is rewiring itself to actually understand japanese, good job

instead of mind fucking yourself have you considered just watching some anime

妹ちゃん、あまり眠たい、ごめん
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