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Everyone ready for the Kickstarter?

>>20206252
Indeed

Can someone make this image completely nude or mostly nude?

>>20206347
I've got several variations of it already made, in varying degrees of toplessness.
https://imgur.com/a/OcXbSYr

Can someone make this uncensored but without nipples?

>>20206473
but why

>>20206252
I might have to skip a couple meals but I WILL hear Erika say bewy gewd in English

>>20206491

>>20206473
Actually, I already got that too.
https://imgur.com/a/nYrE9Rx
I originally made these to be the censored versions to post here, but then went back and added the light since I figured it'd be safer that way.
>>20206491
But it was already in English
>inb4 the dub replaces the Engrish with poorly spoken Japanese.

>>20206480
I thought anime girls look better without nipples

>>20206532

<Good>

>>20206569
It's strange, but I can kinda see where you're coming from. Here then.

>>20206604
It would be better if it not the steam sprite...

>>20206642
Yeah, I know...

More progress on my Satoko model, mainly worked on her school uniform along with tweaking some more the default face.

didn't 24h pass already or is there still some time left till the kekstarter goes live?

>>20206473
>>20206642
if it's about some doll anatomynude Satoko, I can contribute a bit.

>>20206803
Nice work as always. So do you have to remake the whole model for the new outfit, or is it like the outfit is a separate piece from the body? >>20206871 makes it look like you're overlaying clothes onto a preexisting nude model, which by the way looks excellent from what I can see. Cute little navel, well proportioned torso, and of course some VERY alluring breasts and buttocks. It's worth pointing out that Satoko's Ryukishi style figure has a noticeable cameltoe in her tights. The only minor issues I can make out are a slight unevenness where the thighs meet the hips, plus the crotch looking a little squished. Neither is noticeable though, especially when clothed.

>>20206815
9 hours from now

>>20206871
More straightforward naked version.

>>20206933
Well no, the body base is made so it's just about modeling the clothes over it.

>>20206871
Are you planning on releasing this model?

Rena made the news!

>>20207045
Dunno, depends of "how" it would be possibly released too.

>>20207015
Very nice. There's a few minor imperfections here and there, but overall it's a very solid model. Nice attention to detail with stuff like her shoulder blades, hipbones, spine, etc. Though of course the most eye-catching part of a nude is the erotic areas, and you did a great job there. Her breasts look a somewhat smaller without the clothes, but they're nicely shaped, like two immaculately curved orbs. Her buttocks look VERY full, especially from that angle. Their shape also successfully conveys a feeling of softness, and it makes me wonder how they'd shift about when she walks.

>>20207167
Wow, she's so popular...

>>20207167
Reminds me of when erika appeared on the h3 podcast

>>20207309
>Her breasts look a somewhat smaller without the clothes

Yeah, talking from experience putting even just a later of cloth on a model always gives a clear upgrade on the tits size. The naked breasts looks right to me but not sure if I should maybe make them a tad smaller for the clothed look.
Which imperfections were you thinking about? Model is still in progress so I'm always on about tweaking stuffs at this point. Guess I could model a more proper vagina too, same for nipples.

Was there any official shot of Satoko's school underwear, besides >>20206933 ?

Which witch are you most looking forward to hearing dubbed in English?

>>20207459
Hm, yeah. I think you're right. As much as I love big-boobed Satoko, if you're going for her official look, then her clothed chest might be just a tad too big. The nude size is right on the money though, so maybe it'd be a good idea to make a separate nude version from the one used for outfits.

As for imperfections, the biggest one that catches my attention is how high her hips are. It makes her torso look small compared to her lower body (each thigh being roughly equal to her waist in size.) I think if you kept her the same height and just lowered her hips a little bit, it'd give her a more balanced figure while still retaining her full curves.

As for official pantyshots, school or otherwise, I can't think of any off the top of my head. There was one anime bonus clip where the wind's blowing really strong. Shion gets a pantyshot, but Satoko keeps her skirt pinned down. I'll keep looking though. There might be one I just forgot.

>>20207668
>so maybe it'd be a good idea to make a separate nude version from the one used for outfits.

I was thinking to do that, did a little test.

>>20207664
Lambda and Erika are definitely up there, but come on. It's gotta be Beato. Sayaka Ohara's portrayal was the most standout, Not only with regards to her performance but also the sheer amount of lines she had to do. Beato's VA could make or break the whole thing for anyone still on the fence. They need someone with a very wide range who can capture all of the different moods and demeanors Beato has. From the trollish cackling, to the regal stoicism when she gets serious. Even handling stuff like Kuwadorian Beato and all the other versions.

>>20206399
You are the greatest

>>20207712
Yeah, I think that's better. Still stacked as all hell for her age, but more in-line with her canon depictions. It's still a bit too big for her PS2 look, but it matches Ryukishi's original look for her, so I say it's good.

As a side, this animation kinda looks like she just took off her bra with how her breasts slump down. I can see her doing that for some punishment game.

>>20207772
>It's still a bit too big for her PS2 look

All the girls got breast reduction for the ps2 anyway.

It's like Hanyu who is very stacked in the manga adaptions (of 7 & 8) but when you look at the Anime & Alchemist designs she's almost flat. Don't think I need to mention which version I'm planning to base myself on when I'll get to her.

>>20207762
Bless you anon. Don't give in to those titty hating character designers. I was alway uncertain on whether Hanyuu was meant to be bigger or smaller than Satoko. Everyone else is clearly sorted. Rika < Satoko < Rena <Mion/Shion < Takano. Only Hanyuu is uncertain. Of course, another fun thing to play around with is the shape, giving variety to each figure in more than just proportions.

I also found this. While not official art in and of itself. It IS drawn by an official artist. I'd say it's semi-official, like that one R-18 topless Eva pic Kei Natsumi drew.

>>20207896
Whoops. Meant for >>20207840

I'm new to the series, I plan to start with umineko and I read a site.
My only question is to know if its worth and a way to patch the voice acting in the original version non ps sprites game?

>>20207933
It is doable, the guide to do it should be on the git, it'll take you 10-15 minutes at most and I'd say it's worth it if you're going to be spending 60+ witht the first 4 chapters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddJHCUmIC8M

>>20207933
https://github.com/07th-mod/guide/wiki/Umineko-Part-1.1---Voices-only-Patch

>>20207896
Oh yeah, in the manga of Watanagashi Shion pulled out Mion's shirt and revealed their bra, Mion's seems to fit those panties.

>>20207995
>>20207955
Thanks for the replies.
I just found this Umineko Project version, Rondo of the Witch and Reasoning - Episode 5β.
Can I just play until the 5th episode and then jump to the 6th on MangaGamers Answers? (I can't find the 6β they release 2 weeks ago) Or should I stick with the MangaGamer Questions and Answers with the patches?

>>20207840
Speaking of busty horned ladies...

>>20207762
Thanks. Here's something else, as requested.
https://imgur.com/a/iYqJrLN

>>20208033
Yeah, this part. Cute polka dots. Though the aforementioned pantyshot of Shion from the anime had her wearing stripes. Meanwhile, Rena's Ryukishi style figure wears white panties with a pink bow at the front, and Rika wears plain white ones.

>>20208080
You are actually amazing.

I want to give all my money to the kickstarter.

Well, I have a lot of money. I don't want to give ALL my money to the kickstarted, they need other people too. But when the fuck can I give 0.000001% of my fortune to those retarded VAs? Don't they want money and shit?

>>20208324
I want a lot of money too.

>>20208309
Thank you. Not everyone appreciates this sort of thing. Though I must say, the look suits her.

>>20208324
Fuck of kinzo, money won't give you Beatrice back

>>20208324
If you give me all your money I'll dub all Umineko by myself.

how much will the Battler onahole tier cost?

>>20208551
More than the Beato oppai mousepad, but less than the Erika dakimakura.

>>20208080
Thanks dude.

Why do they call him black battler if he's asian?

>>20208648
Blacks are more prone to violence. They have numerous genes strongly correlated with lower impulse control, higher murder rates, and lower empathy. Black Battler is a Battler murderer, i.e one who is metaphorically "black".

>>20208658
Easy there stormfront.

beto

>>20208630

You're welcome. I'm currently working on a more normal-sized Featherine, though honestly that look suits her surprisingly well. I could see her casually lounging nude in her rocking chair, surrounded by piles of well worn pages and leather-bound books. She'd show no concern for her state of dress, glancing up and beckoning you to her.
"Child of man, I'd like to hear your thoughts on this new tale..."
She'd ramble on unconcernedly, eventually noticing your lack of focus.
"Is something the matter? You seem out of sorts."

>>20208693
anon

>>20208324
I'm not sure why people are so confident these guys won't turn this into the next Star Citizen

>>20208824
One's a game with very little focus being built from the ground up. One's literally an audiobook with acting.

1 hour left

Will the gold edition include the JP voices?

>>20209665
Nah they confirmed that it won't

>>20209665
https://twitter.com/Klashikari/status/1058883061256015875

>>20209677
>>20209681
Literally dropped

>>20209691
Just play without voices and use the original sprites.

>>20209697
If I can't hear Beato's cackle then what's the point?

>>20209691
Someone will make a patch

>>20209732
ahaha.wav

1 more week I guess.
https://twitter.com/CatboxCreative/status/1060332112665083904

>>20209769
It begins

>>20209769

https://twitter.com/CatboxCreative/status/1060332112665083904
Kickstarter just got delayed a week.

>>20209769
>kickstarter not even out yet
>already delayed
the future looks bright

>>20209769
>>20209780
Only the first of many delays

>>20209769

>>20209769
The Kickstarter hasn't even begun and already it's getting delayed. This does not bode well.

Surely they got have announced the delay a little earlier than fucking minutes before the countdown
Go fuck yourselves

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
IT GOT DELAYED, WHY WON'T YOU WANT MY MONEY ALREADY, BEATORICHEEEEEE

On the other note, it seems they are talking with Ryukishi and MangaGamer and we are getting even more content from this project than expected.

Fuck, I'm too hyped to fucking sleep, may this general provide me confort for the next days until the Q&A they'll do. I have many questions.

>>20209769
https://www.umineko.us/
They could have at least teased the merchandise instead of leaving me with blue balls for a week.

>>20209769

This is gonna be a disaster

>>20209803
They just need to announce what the fucking merch is. It's all I care about

>>20209769
no...

>>20209769
Off to a great start

>>20209769
>we’ve been in touch with @07th_official
What's Ryu got up his sleeve? Maybe we'll get a Ryu drawn art of the backer's request for one of the tiers
Maybe a Ryu drawn lewd art of the backer's request for one of the top tiers

>>20209769
>more content
This is a good thing, right? Right?

A poster of the beato portrait better be a reward tier, I swear to fucking god

>>20209830
Maybe they didn't have any decent stretch goals set out to begin with, and are trying to set some up now that they realized people are actually eager to support them.

>>20209769
What's the opposite of 'bewy gewd'?

>>20209803
>>20209823
I would take this delay without much problem, since I'm used to it at this point *insert meanwhile at Witch Hunt meme here*

But now that they anounced even more content and won't talk about it, and have been in touch with my Ryu... This just makes the wait unbearable now........

I thought another 6 months waiting for WTC5 and Saku would be my ruin, but fuck, this really adds to the injuries and it's way closer.

They really should at least leave some new info before someone breaks. I sure am becoming stressed without new info at least.

>>20209849
>>>/y/ou_are_incompetent

>>20209769
>it got delayed
>the kickstarter will be lasting for one month
its like foreshadowing

That damn countdown timer is the worst part. Getting everyone excited only to cancel at the very last minute.

>>20209849
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1vEY45azWc

>>20209823
Maybe it's being mentioned in WTC5, similar to Witch Hunt being mentioned in Umineko.
Or maybe evenhaving one's donut steel make an appearance in WTC5.

no
please
not the furries

What if one of us actually becomes a character this time around? The goats from EP8 were from Rokkenjima Prime after all.

>was about to crack open a bottle of wine to celebrate the kickstarter
>now have to crack open the wine so I don't FREAK

>>20209794
They certainly could've revealed this a little bit earlier unless this was a last minute decision. I feel bad for my fellow europoors who stayed up for this.

>>20209924
Same here
I think I'll cook some mackerel before I end up losing my mind.

>>20209931
thanks

>>20209931
2AM here in Italy, but I forgive them no problems.

Still, holy crap. Announcing new content for the kickstarter after talking with Ryukishi and Manga Gamer is a bit too much for my heart to handle.

This is either very good, or really bad

>>20209968
It's a very bad way to present very good news.

>>20209941

>>20209844
This is really going to raise expectations for the rewards. They better make it count once it starts.

>>20209968
I honestly doubt it will be anything that good. Don't get your hopes up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raxEmANPTVc

>>20209979
In all seriousness, what are the odds of them using some of Alchemist's bonus artwork as backer rewards?

>>20209919
tfw no memorable 07th anons to star in wtc5/umineko 9

Call me a wet blanket but I actually can't understand why anyone is excited for this Kickstarter other than the possibility of Umineko merchandise. The proof of concept video looked and sounded awful and its not like Umineko needed a dub.

>>20209919
>>20210011
It should be ange's human condition anon, he'll just stalk ange and rant and rave and bully her about her inescapable embarrassing lewd condition.

>>20210011
Mystery anon
Edit anon
Lambda anon
that new artist anon

>>20210022
edit anon would be good for metafictional false effigies of the dead like tarnishing their image and DISTORTING THE TRUTH

>The 29th we will have a WTC5 trailer

Hm............

>>20210022
>>20210025
>>20210033
You're all wrong
It has to be duncan

>>20210025
Wonder what they could do with an anon literally based on an existing character though

New artist anon commercializing the rokkenjima massacre

>>20210011
What about me?

>>20210014
It's simply a matter of opinion. I like what I'm hearing for the dub and it looks like it could be fun new way to experience Umineko. Even if it ends up being really bad, that's more fuel for memes.

>>20210014
I really liked the dub, and having yet another graphic option available by default on the PC version is good

If I was rich I'd single-handedly fund the project and force R07 into making the new content all about Rosatrice

>>20210025
Knownomore and Duncantrice are priorities, please...

>>20210055
>>20210058
I just don't see it. Messing up Kanon's name didn't help my estimation of the dub's competence.

>>20210072
It just makes more evident Kanon is canon.

Extra foreshadowing right there, fellow anon.

>>20210072
They probably did that so it rhymes with Shannon. Most of the pronounciations are going to be different anyway so I don't see the big deal, do you want them to call Battler ''Batora'' as well?

>>20210085
I wonder if they're going to give Beato a new nickname, since the nickname only makes since with the Japanese pronunciation of "Bay-uh-toe-ree-cheh".

>>20210072
I noticed that too, but I waved it off because it sounds more natural coming from English speakers and rhymes with the English pronunciation of "Shannon". Most of the human cast have Western names and they're going to be pronounced in a Western way rather than "Batora" or "Jooji".
I don't expect this dub to be the best thing ever. Even if it far exceeds expectations, I'd still continue suggesting new readers to play Umineko without voices.

>>20210092
Beet

>>20210092
Bea, most likely
A better question would be about Gaap's "Riche." You'd probably automatically assume "Rice," which sounds fine, but written looks strange

>>20210099
You have 5 seconds to explain why new players shouldn't use voices.
No, it being the way you listened to it isn't a valid reason

You know, that delay is a huge red flag by itself. If they want more stuff, by can't it be additional stretch goal? Surely the initial stretch goal shouldn't be affected by some "very positive reaction", right?

And that decision was made public like few min before it was even supposed to start. Frankly, I think they fucked up something and are tinkering the initial stretch goal, not just extra stuff. And we know how things go ugly with incompetent people handling KS stuff.

>>20210128
I believe it disrupts the natural reading speed by forcing the reader to wait for a line to finish being spoken and I recommend it as an incentive to read Umineko again because it feels like a story that has to be read more than once to get the most out of it. I think the voices are terrific and I have no problem with people reading Umineko for the first time with voices, I just suggest it for a second playthrough.

>>20210142
they already broke my trust desu

>>20210153
I personally don't wait for the whole voice line to finish

>>20210142
I don't think it's so much that they fucked up, more that MangaGamer (the company most readily able to contact and collaborate with Catbox) asked them to push the Kickstarter back a week for advertising/promotion purposes.

Catbox is doing an AMA in a couple of days, so part of it might be that they want to fully clue in the community before opening the floodgates.

>>20210168
I find that unusual, but that's your preference. At least it's not skipping through text on a first playthrough like a faggoat.

>>20210128
Because voice acting can disrupt someone's normal reading either making them wait until the voice line finishes or making them cut off every line halfway through, which at that point it's kind of pointless. A visual novel designed entirely without voice acting in mind has its own reading cadence and pace that is different for every person. And perhaps some people don't want to use English voices? Plenty of people would prefer the Japanese voices or none at all, for the same reasons why some people prefer subtitles over dubbing of other media.

>>20210014
With you on this one, anon.

>>20210085
English battler sounds lame as heck desu

>>20210014
It's not about the product itself. The fact that a western group is attempting a large scale project for Umineko that could potentially draw in new fans is more than enough for me to support it.

>>20208696
Keep up the amazing work.

I like how you depict Featherine as well

>>20210310
Thank you very much. I'll admit I was a bit hesitant with using such exaggerated proportions.

>>20210317
Although, this isn't my first time doing something like that.

>>20210296
Agreed, but I like his screaming voice though

>>20210345
Now that I think of it, him sounding like a wimp works perfectly

>>20210360
It sure is a stark contrast from Daisuke Ono who sounds like a complete chad.

>>20210360
Naturally.

Man, Natsuhi sounds like shit.

>>20210455
>>20210296
English as a whole does

>>20210455
Natsuhi was my favorite

A rare situation where an anime dub VA sounding like a 40 year old mom works in the dub's favor

>>20210014
I'm just in it for the merch and PS3 graphics.

>>20208551
Nice one, Eva

>>20210068
No

>>20210336
Busty naked Featherine, busty lambda...

Man...if only My editing skills were as good and sharp as yours. I definitely appreciate your edits. They really are good

Especially the Featherine ones (especially since theres barely any content of her)

>>20209677
>>20209681
why did they JP credits in the kickstarter trailer then???

Did they say Beatrice in the dub trailer? I wanna know how they pronounce it.

>>20210783
negative

>>20206329
Who is best oba-san and why is it Rosa?

You people actually give a fuck about something irrelevent like some shitty re-release of umineko with incorrectly accented horrible English voices when WTC5 and umineki ep9 are still coming (relatively) soon? What the fuck? Is this thread 90% /a/ and /v/ or something?

>>20210978

>>20210978
I want to believe

>>20210978
>Josh Grelle
>Kent Williams
>horrible english voices

I can't stop thinking about this.

>>20206803
>>20206871
>>20207015
>>20207459
>>20207668
>>20207712
Tits are too big. Hair also looks like crap, but then again it's clearly unfinished and I've never seen good 3D anime hair.

>>20211620
>then again it's clearly unfinished

Why even complain about it if you know that.

>>20211636
Just giving the artist some worthless feedback. The shadowing/texturing/whateveritscalled is obviously unfinished, but the mesh shape, which seems finished, is also bad.

Transforming 2D anime hairstyles into 3D (figures, 3D models, or otherwise) is hard. If the model manages to stay true to original 2D, the hair strands usually end up looking like plastic turds.

>>20206491
>>20206532
Imagine if they turned the gratuitous engrish into gratuitous german

Reworked a bit more on Satoko's body. Putting it in a link since I'm not sure if the more detailed crotch/cameltoe is still acceptable here.
https://i.imgur.com/7MTM458.gif

>>20210978
They're just playacting/roleplaying.

>>20210978
why are piple so excsitteded for inglish kickstazrtred?? i dun't understandded...

>>20212070

>>20210744
It just takes practice. But yeah, Featherine's got a criminal lack of art.

>>20211578
It's a very good piece after all. Their expressions really make it all the better. Rena doesn't even look upset.

Started doing some expression tests with Satoko.

All the combo towel + stockings is pretty good.

>>20210068
>Duncantrice
wtf is duncantrice?

I just realized something: material used so far was just the first 4 umineko.
Just imagine the clusterfuck if chiru dub is another stretch goal or another KS altogether.

>>20212420
Also did another test with making her chest a tad smaller looking when clothed. Doesn't seems too much while still making them decently sized.

>>20212503
That sounds pretty obvious, they're pretty much considered different games. At the same time that means for all the more possible bonuses if it goes this far.

So this is almost an audiobook? As in everything is going to be voiced, not just characters speaking?

>>20212606
They plan doing both an audiobook and the game dub.

>>20212420
>>20212509
Oh, nice. I wasn't expecting you to do different expressions.

>>20212606
The KS video is a preview for their audiobook, so it'll probably be the only thing with narration

>>20212639
working on a set of layers/morphs that will let me make a pretty wide array of expressions.

> Satoko's face when she sees you playing with her tits size slider

>>20212851
Neat. I look forward to seeing what you can come up with.

Leaked new stretch goals for the upcoming kickstarter:
>300k $ Gohda standalone prequel
>450k $ Rosatrice spinoff
>650k $ Umineko 18+ version with original art

>>20212851
>>20212888
I really like your work, keep it up.

>>20210123

Bae

>>20213360
>690k I officially marry Beato

>>20213360
>$ Umineko 18+ version with original art
>Meaning there will be bearpaw handjob
This idea is horrifying and hilarious at the same time.

>>20213621
Define officially.

>>20213633
r07 recognizes it as true and uses the red truth to declare us as married

Now with more accurate hands.

>>20213802
Now you are making real progress.

>>20213802
This is hilarious but I hope you keep both versions, since I prefer the more realistic ones.

>>20213360
So does that mean we can't get 18+ Umineko WITHOUT getting Rosatrice?

>>20213841
Well.

>>20213861
Yes

i don't know if you guys have noticed this but check out the red letters in the trailer.

>>20213861
Makes me want to bust out my Ryukishi figures for another photo shoot.

I've been thinking about doing another sprite set for Umineko from scratch, because I am not satisfied with any of them. And maybe new backgrounds and portraits. How many sprites are there in total? Would it take too much time?

>>20214049
What do you mean "another sprite set"?

>>20214049
Pitch it to catbox creative so you can get paid for it.

>>20214051
New sprites, like these.

>>20214042

Theres a secret message in the letter, btw

just like >>20214011 says "Beatrice Rises Again" this one says "The sacrament of Penance."

It probably just means "woops sowwy ;w;"

>>20214070

Only if you make Battler a bara musclechad. EP1 says hes on steroids so him being a twink doesnt make any sense cononically

>>20214073

Oh wait, it maybe it has something to do with Our Confession

>>20214049

Chiru has 1,733 character sprites total. That's not including zoom-ins, fullbody shots and portraits (for the family tree), and any BGs which have sprites baked into them.

>>20214042
>Email roleplay of Beatrice berating me
Fukkin just take all of my money

>>20214049
It depends. There are about 2200-2300 total sprites in the original version, though most characters have only a couple poses with various face swaps. Same for the Steam version. The PS2 version added a bunch more poses for characters, ending up with about 8100 sprites.

As for backgrounds, there's about 900 for the original/steam (they both use the same ones). Just looking at the files, the PS3 version has about 2500 "backgrounds" though this number is a bit misleading as it also includes all the CGs as well as various effects like the golden butterflies, magical barriers, the meta world's flowery overlay, etc. As with the sprites, there's various versions of many PS3 backgrounds, showing a single location in different situations like morning, night, storming, etc.

>>20214049
>>20214070
A full new set of Umineko sprites is a ridiculous amount of work.

>>20211620
Satoko's tits are supposed to be big for a 12 yo though.

>>20214042
>Kickstarter campaign is SCHEDULED to begin November 14th
Not
>The Kickstareter campaign WILL begin November 14th.
You won't fool me a second time!

>>20214153
And she's not even 12 right? As far as I know, her and Rika's ages are never canonically stated.

>>20214175

In the VN, Satoko and Rika's ages are censored to be X, while Rena, Mion and K1 are censored to be XX. Doesn't this imply they're both under 10?

>>20212888
Okay, I laughed. That expression works so well.

By the way, I was wondering if you'd mind if I tried my hand at coloring some of these?

>>20214175
If I'm not mistaken Ryukishi stated them in an interview once. Satoko is 11 almost 12, Rika is 12, Rena is 13 almost 14, Keiichi is 14, and Mion is 15.

This is all from memory though, might have got some of them wrong.

>>20214192

I feel like anons like to pretend shes older so their pedophilic tendencies arent as taboo

>>20214211
It's almost like she isn't real

>>20214011
what hell shkanonbros

>>20214236

It's ok if you want to lust after a fictional child, i'm still gonna call you names for it though

>>20214237

whyd u paint certain letters white

>>20214255
I assure you I didn't paint anything, the other anon just posted an edit he made where he edited the letters to not look painted white

>>20214261

oic, do it properly next time. ur meme got lost in ur bad paint skills

>>20214192
>Rika older than Satoko
I always thought it was the other way around. That makes Satoko's early puberty all the worse. The wiki lists birthdays for each of them, but i don't know if they're accurate.
Mion July 10 (February 11 in matsuri), 1966
Rena July 28, 1967
Keiichi April 13, 1967
Satoko June 24, 1972
Rika August 21, 1972
Seeing as Higurashi primarily takes place in June of 1983, that'd put Mion at 16/17, Rena at 15, Keiichi at 16, Satoko at 9, and Rika also at 9. Mion(?), Rena, and Satoko are all within about a month of their next birthdays, while Keiichi already had his.

>>20214269
I miss the Umineko screenshot generator.

>>20214190
Coloring? The model? I'm planning to do it once the modeling is done.

>>20214277

>>20214317
On hindsight, taking in account the perspective of the upper arm (we can see the back of her sleeves), Lambda's arm pose isn't impossible but some next level of uncomfortable.

>>20214073
Right after "Beatrice Rises Again", there's also "The Cat Box Opens", spanning over multiple shots which i am too lazy to make and edit into one.

>>20214359
>>20214317
And looking better the way the intersection between the forearm and arm doesn't make sense anyway, the forearm could only keep going frontally or it wouldn't look like that.

>>20214313
Ah, I see. I was just playing around with it a bit in Photoshop.
>>20214359
Also damn, every time I see the nude it looks better. Would Satoko's body work for Lambda? Both are pretty inconsistent, but I feel like it could potentially work. As for the pose, I think she just her arms behind her back, which isn't all that uncomfortable.
>>20214393
She's breaking the laws of physics just to keep her hands hidden.

>>20214359
I dont think the arms are supposed to go behind the back. I think what he intended was for them to be on the hip and the hands just pressing down on the skirt.

>>20214461
>>20214359
How I've always imagined it was like the second bottom left. With the back of the wrist resting on her hips.

>>20214456
>Would Satoko's body work for Lambda?

Honestly, I was planning to "mostly" keep the bodies the same, since the only clear physical differences we have are the tits, and even those fluctuates depending on the versions. Also why I wanted to make Satoko's body as good as possible, so that I can just reuse it for all the other girls with minimal amount of extra work needed. Already have enough work on the other assets (face, hair, outfit, poses), no need to remake from scratch parts than can just be mostly copy pasted.

>>20214461
well yeah, based on the ps3 sprite that was likely the idea, but it hardly works based on the original drawing, we would definitely see the hands.

>>20206933
so it's safe to assume Satoko wears pantyhose and not stockings?

>>20214487
I actually forgot how the ps3 sprite looked lmao
So I was just going off the original sprite.

>>20214499
The lower half of Satoko's body is just pure black. What you're seeing is her skin.

>>20214516
so she replaces her lower half whenever wears anything else?

>>20214487
Clever. Though you may need to make more than just a few changes for some of the wildly different girls. The current model could work for any short gals like Satoko, Lambda, Bern, Erika, Dlanor, and maybe Rika with the right tweaking. But for ones like adult women you'd probably need to make the whole figure taller and more mature. I do agree that you likely won't have to make any totally new ones from scratch though.

>>20214499
Yes, definitely pantyhose. What she wear underneath (if anything) may be a mystery, but that much I can say for certain.

>>20214552
Obviously I won't just keep the body exactly the same, but compared to making one from scratch any change will be fairly minor.

>>20214538
Clever, isn't it? She had everyone fooled

>>20214568
Very true. Please feel free to consult here for any questions about specific proportions. I've given the subject more thought than I'm proud to admit.

>>20214588
Why must you continue to post the pachinko sprites

For the anon who asked about Dunning Kruger, you basically just get over the hill with continued experience. It's just a chart that measures people's confidence by experience levels in any given discipline, and you'll naturally be able to estimate your ability better as you gain competence in a field. If you have a confidence problem, remember that acknowledging a problem is the first step to solving it, so you're already on the way to correcting distorted estimates. Practically, just remember to copy the old masters until you've caught up to them. It's that long rite that grants you the divine (inviolable) right to actually do what you want, though that's all the way at the end of the exp metric.
If you mean Dunning Kruger regarding cognitive ability, where dumb people can't properly judge their own intelligence, that's a depressingly genetic algorithm so you're largely stuck where RNG puts you! But obviously with hard work you can cultivate your intellect to its max potential and estimate yourself better. Don't be self conscious about something you can't change when you can bruteforce your way through most challenges unless you're actually just average-dumb.
>>20210025
I'd basically just be as Erika is to Bern but for Lambda/whoever Lambda is playing as except only appear for two scenes or something. Battler is already a decisive avatar of hers, as avatars are, like how Kalki is strongly reminiscent of Vishnu's preservative epithet. A witch sponsor can sort of play this role, since witches are very much akin to gods. Lambdadelta and Bernkastel especially are fundamental forces of nature, and that makes them supernal. They have universality.
>>20214487
Make sure to put all your effort into Lambda ok?

>>20214594
That one was actually done on request. I originally made a visual sorting the girls by their bust sizes, upon which I was asked to do the same for Pachinko and original art.

>>20214641

>>20214616
> Make sure to put all your effort into Lambda ok

Maybe. But honestly I’ve got many characters I’m planning to work on first.

>>20214662
That's fine. I'd be happy with just about any character.

>>20214662
Oh, yeah, definitely take your time, just make sure you do your best with Lambda and you might be blessed with the magic of willpower.

>>20214359
So are these models poseable then? If so then that unlocks a lot of possibilities for future use.

>>20214740
I could totally see Lambda showing favor to all her fanartists.

If so Ichini's probably already a witch by now.

>>20214742
Bodies are poseable but depending on how different it is from the default one the sculpt is gonna be to be reworked to look optimal, and then all the rest needs to be adapted to the poses.

>>20214781
Hm, I see. I'll admit I don't know anything about the program or how it works. But it sounds like it's more meant for making a fixed sculpture than a fully poseable model.

>>20214794
Rigged model are kinda split in two kinds, the basic ones more made more for video games, and super advanced ones that even includes muscles system deformation and other shit for movies. Those requires lots of people working on each bits.
In my case I more aim for figures like results. Static poses that are tweaked manually, which gives a the good result I’m looking for without needing to know and create some super complex rig.

>>20214764
Oh but being a witch does take some level of metaphysical and hermeneutical prowess, especially to be nominated by a witch herself. No witch will sponsor somebody who has no understanding or achievements. In some cases (Erika), it's basically just a familiar or splinter of the witch's will, so he'll be a witch if he actually understands stuff instead of just drawing about it. Drawings are thaumaturgical so he's halfway to the theurgy and a bit further from the real magic, assuming he knows that drawings are sigils or name tags. It's actually very reminiscent of alchemy. Sigils are crude metals, what lies beyond is truly noble, and what's even further is transcendence, but even in transcendence you still have to remember you started as basic elements. Nagarjuna did say part of attaining nirvana was realizing it was not actually separate from samsara. In other mythoi, even the most noble man is still made of dirt, clay, dust, whatever else. Willpower is the aether of beatification, though, so it's still the most important part. You can't get anywhere if you don't move or try!

>>20214834
The results look nice. If you ever do end up uploading the models somewhere I'd probably try and learn the software so I could play with them.

>>20214848
Your posts always confuse me, but they're fun to read all the same. Thanks.

>>20214848
Wouldn't you suppose that an artist has already elevated themselves to the level of Creator? Art is just willpower over recollection, after all, and through it entire worlds can be constructed. I'd say that the only difference between an artist and a Creator is that the latter's realized what they are.

>>20214916
Oh? A challenger appears!

>>20214916
Yeah, the magical hierarchy refers to numerous things, and what you're talking about is the metafictional stuff I would talk about at the beginning when I told people to read Borges. One of the main meanings of the witch->voyager->creator hierarchy is about the line from character to critic/reader to author, and it's an excoriation on arrogant readers. Part of the reason voyagers have a fear of apotheosis and "eat" stories but have the ability to attain it any time is because of how burdensome being an author is, but how any reader has the chance to become an author when he or she desires, and how easy and free excoriation and consumption are in comparison. The meaning behind it is manifold, and what you're referring to is absolutely one of the main ones.

>>20214935
Oh no, I've already put forth the exact same ideas as this anon. These things are the core of metafiction, and Umineko is hugely metafictional. Invitation to the Beheading's metafictional strategies are eerily reminiscent of Umineko's, too, which is why I also suggested it once upon a time.

>>20195445
you don't need a vita to decrypt it
if anyone still needs any vita theme images, just use this guide:
https://www.reddit.com/r/VitaPiracy/comments/987jyq/tutorial_installing_nps_themes_on_367368_without/

>>20206399
>>20206347
Featherine ! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOUR FACE?

>>20215008
Just a thing she's trying. Witches can change their forms however they wish after all.

>>20214677
>>20210336
>>20214764
I got your 7"th EXPANSION right here, post madame Lambda

>>20210744
I did do an even bustier Lambda once on request from another anon, but it might be TOO big depending on your preferences.

>>20214967
Oho, it seems this passing-by theatergoer was late for the show. Borges, hm? It seems the first post you made relating to him was in April. Very well, I'll consume the backlog of threads and continue devouring literature as well, so that this conversation can continue on the level playing field that it deserves.

>>20215030
Variations.
https://imgur.com/a/zROifHf

>>20215051
It'll be so nice to have a Clair anon peer in these threads, though my specialty is actually eastern religion and esotericism, not /lit/ (though it's splendid and spellbinds me like nothing else, the linguistic cosmology). But yeah definitely stick around and help raise the discussion quality cause I'd like to see you more as a peer than rival if you're actually this voracious and inquisitive.

>>20215122
Of course! Honestly I've been wanting to discuss things like this with someone for a while. Any pretenses of rivalry were simply an approach to be peers filtered through a bit of witchy pretentiousness (or pretentious witchiness, I wonder?) rather than out of any place of genuine smugness or malice.

I'll admit my own specialty is in Western occultism rather than /lit/ as well, which is why my last bit was a more elegantly-worded "oh fuck I've got a backlog". Any texts you'd recommend for the Eastern side of things?

>>20215122
>>20215246
Aw, I'm happy for you two.

>The catbox opens again
Yeah let's make the Ushiromiyas suffer some more!

>>20215295
Dance monkeys dance

>>20215295
Stop writing fanfiction about my dead family.

>>20215340
We will when your dead family stops LARPing it.

>>20214116
>>20214137
>>20214144
I think I can do it. Maybe not the backgrounds, but the sprites and CGs. Give me 3 years.

>>20215389
Cool. I'll look forward to it, I guess. Maybe by then Gold Edition will be out and WTC5 will be midway through.

So I want to get my friend to give Umineko a go, but I'm afraid the slow start will turn him away. Do you think it'd be okay to show him the kickstarter promo video to get him hooked? Or does that reveal far too much?

>>20215574
Just show him the very first opening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f184GruHq9o

>>20215574
Nah, since that'd spoil the first deaths. I suppose the OP would be safe to show though.

>>20215574
The promo gives away the first victims, but chances are your friend already expects people to die if he knows it's going to go murder mystery at some point. If he knows, he might get a little impatient waiting for the first crime to happen while it introduces all the characters, shows the cousins playing together, and the adults negotiating about inheritance, so having him jump straight into the deaths with the promo might work to reel him in and immediately get him thinking.
I say it depends on how little he knows and what he expects. Be honest about the slow start and talk it over, see what he thinks and wants.

>>20215246
Huh? Pretentiousness? Don't you know pretentiousness can only be used in reference to unearned airs? If you're arrogant but fail, you're laughed at, but if you're arrogant and back it up, it gives you a passive charisma buff.
And yeah I like occultism. I refer to it here and there and use the Tantric consideration of Baphomet to map the scale of religions (religion to occultism). I like Kabbalism, too, but I don't know it as well as my focus. I'm looking forward to learning about these things from you, though. I know others who like occultism and you guys are always so eclectic.
For eastern tradition I like to have Umineko readers start with Schopenhauer and Wittgenstein because Vedanta will become intuitive to them and Wittgenstein wrote about the same magic as in Umineko in his Remarks on Frazer's Golden Bough. Here's a shortcut to a core of western thought you can expand on and the perfect harpoon to drag the eastern leviathan to your desk/place of study (I mean turn it into something you can understand). Borges is great because he loves Schopenhauer, has eastern influence, and is the master of postmodern metafiction, which are all either pivotal to Umineko directly or understanding the ancient writings behind it. Also he's super fun to read and easy for new readers because of the short story format. This might be like a dialetic razer for me. A go to strategy.
>>20215265
They seem very nice!!

>>20215574
just show him the VN opening. the umineko anime is trash so avoid that.

>>20215581
>>20215596
>>20215606
>>20215692
Thanks for the replies lads.

I've had him play the first 30 minutes of the game but he was turned off by the 'anime' characters, and complained he couldn't get into it. I figured the promo might appeal to him, but I'm not sure if it's revealing too much.

>>20215706
If he's not even into anime Umineko might not be for him. I hope things go well though. It's always fun introducing a friend to something you enjoy.

>>20215706
I understand not wanting to spoil anything, but sometimes the premise alone isn't enough to catch one's interest. A concept that only shows up in a later episode such as Mystery vs Fantasy and the Red Truth could be just the thing. If you feel it's necessary, spoil a little more and see if any of it sounds interesting enough for him to want to stick with it. That way revealing a few things upfront and seeing disinterest is better than wasting hours only for him to end up dropping it.
But if the 'anime' thing is his major turn off, it might not be worth the effort for either of you. If he feels forced to read it, he'll likely come up with more reasons to want to drop it. Giving him the right hook in the beginning can help him stick with it and give it a chance, but don't be too forceful and know when to give up.

>>20215706
>but he was turned off by the 'anime' characters
Give it up then, the second the fights start and Kanon unzips his sword he will hate it and drop it

Shannon's farts!

>>20216006
what's going on in this person's mind right now? I'm genuinely curious.

Has there ever been a more powerful canon yuri couple than these two?

>>20216572
They hate each other.

>>20216582
>has changed their relationship status to: it's complicated

Nobody has posted it, why not?

>>20215914
This happened when I gave to one of my university students

the other one dropped much sooner desu (around the time Battler makes his first sexual harassing comments towards his cousins in EP1).

>>20215706
The anime thing is kinda problematic for non-anime fans. But if they get past some of the antiques, you will be fine.
I usually go for the original sprites without voices since they are far more neutral in that regard.

It helps that you don't need to worry about them wanting to kill Maria with her annoyingly voiced UUUUUUUUUUU.

Just make sure to read the first chapter or a bit more with them, mentioning how well presented is the whole cast from the very beginning and hyping up stuff a bit.

>>20214042
>my mfw when AMA on reddi

Is there more colored pannels from umineko manga ?

Based on different sources and my interprations of the heights in Higurashi:
Satoko 137cm
Rika 137
Hanyu 150
Rena 161
Mion 163
Shion 163
Keiichi 164
Chie 165
Oishi 173
Irie 175
Tomitake 180
Okonogi 185
Akasaka 187
Kasai 190

The biggest inconsistency I saw is Hanyu, who is barely more than Rika sized in the Anime but Rena sized in the Alchemist games. Frankly all those numbers doesn't amount to much since the authors themselves didn't seemingly agree on a proper height chart.

On the side note, Hanyu and Hainiryun have the same height based on the ps3 sprites heights, I find it hard to believe.

>>20206933
you have photos showing the underwear of the other girls?

>>20218455
Yes. Rika's seem to be plain light blue ones. While Rena's are white with a pink bow at the front. Mion's aren't visible on her figure since she has her swimsuit on under her skirt, but we can assume a polka dotted set to match with her bra in >>20208101

>>20218673
Rena's panties.

>>20218673
>>20219007
Does anyone find these sexual? I mean, I just find them cute and want to poke them but in a non sexual manner.

>>20219197
I find them both cute and sexual to be honest. Though the later is purely due to it being characters that I'm invested in.

>>20215660
I suppose you're right. In that case, I'll wear my pride with pride! Though I should do my best to avoid the Dunning-Kruger effect, as well. "All I know is that I know nothing" and such.

My primary focuses are Gnosticism and Discordianism, which I find very relevant in Umineko. From the Gnostic side of things, there's Witches as embodiments of Platonic ideals who make a game out of playing Demiurge, and how the Meta-World ties in with the World of Ideas, for example. On the Discordian side, Umineko's magic fits within a chaos magic framework, and Eris as presented in it isn't exactly unlike a Witch herself. It's a big read even I haven't finished yet but the Nag Hamaddi scriptures are the closest to a "primary source" for Gnosticism. I've been reading Marvin Meyer's revised translation. For Discordianism I'd recommend Principia Discordia, its "holy text", to set the stage. I put it in quotes because Discordianism is, for lack of better words, full of shenanigans. It's more of a work of metafiction that makes itself a holy text through its own rules, much like Umineko itself. After a certain point I find my /lit/ and my /x/ to be one and the same. It seems you've already read The Neverending Story, which is more influenced by Crowley's writing (which was inspired by Gnosticism anyways) so I'd recommend the Illuminatus! trilogy and The Invisibles. While it's more of a quick read at only ten pages long, Pop Magic! (also by the author of The Invisibles) is worth reading as well.

I'll admit that most of what I've read is on the subject of "practical use" of this knowledge, so to say, rather than the history or philosophy of it, but that just means I have more to read and more to learn. There's something fun in always having new knowledge to chase after!

>>20215265
Oho! Thank you, dearie.

>>20219007
That reminded me that the Rena figure I own also have visible panties. They're also plain white but no pink bow on it.

I first took a photo a bit earlier but the figure was embarassingly dirty so gave her a well deserved clean up

>>20219197
Those are near chibi tier figures, so obviously it's more on the cute side than semen demon one.

>>20219283
Oh, that's a nice looking figure you got there. Realistically speaking she probably has a bunch of different types, not just a dozen of the same style. But looking at these we can get an idea for what sort she generally prefers to wear.

>>20219341
yeah of course, not like a girl would have only one type of panties.

>>20219697
Where is this from?

>>20219714
i found it on one of the umineko threads i need more dlanor x erika though

>>20219714
>>20219806
found it https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=32759481

>>20219910
<vewy good>

>>20214192
>>20214175
Not that it's really worth much, but the steam trading card for Satoko lists her as being "one grade lower than Keiichi's". Which seems a bit generous

>>20207015
What the fuck even is that body? Have you never seen a loli naked before? Just because she has breasts doesn't mean she's a miniature woman.

>>20220155
>Have you never seen a loli naked before?
What the fuck did he mean by this

>>20219197
How is human cuteness not sexual? Only animals or objects can be cute without being sexually attractive.

>>20220190
he's a certified child body specialist.

>>20220193
cuteness becomes sexual in sexual contexts, but isn't so inherently

>>20220190
>he didn't have a loli gf as a kid
>will never be a kid again
I feel bad for you, dude. You'll never know what Satoko's body is supposed to look like!

>>20220133
Does it really say that? Sound like bullshit the localizers made up.

Shmion is almost 17. Keiichi is 16. Rena is almost 16. And Rika/Satoko are either 10 or 11, otherwise some of the TIPs, flasback scenes, designs and even personalities wouldn't make any sense.

>>20220204
> comparing real kids to Satoko's built for sex body

>>20220214
To be fair, her body shape is pretty unrealistic for an 11 year old asian girl living in a village in the 80s.

These days all the food is full of hormones and shit, and even then asian girls turn 13 and still look like kids.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/201709.php

Ryuukishi really did his research.

So... which is the highest level of meta?

-Featherine as the creator of the entire kakeraverse, self-inserting into reality as mysterious female characters (Nomura and Ikuko).

-Ikuko is a simple writer who wrote Higurashi, Umineko, Higanbana and RGD.

-Everything is a fictional live-action show and the characters are just actors playing different roles. The Higurashi tea parties are the highest level of meta we've seen so far.

Making properly the folds of Satoko's skirt is some next level pain the ass.

>>20220381
Seriously, that waist makes no sense. She's a loli, not a midget. The body doesn't develop all at once.

>>20220393
You're fine with extremely unrealistic anime faces but you cross the line at curvy lolis?

>>20220418
Curvy lolis are a thing IRL, that's why seeing Satoko with the body of a very short adult woman just feels wrong and awkward.

Higashiyama Show draws incredibly realistic loli bodies, you could learn a lot about anatomy from his doujins.

>>20220464
>incredibly realistic loli bodies

So, child pornography instead of stylized anime?

>>20220486
I consider it anime if the faces are anime. Deformed anime bodies don't usually look right to me, especially in hentai.

Why is RGD so fucking unpopular? Once you get into it, it's pretty damn good.

Finally found the source of the ages: http://isae-amane.tumblr.com/post/146424119225/my-higurashi-filled-trip-to-japan-part-3-stuff

>>20215340
>Ange will never find out the true identity of Humiliation Anon and pay him a visit to stop the Ange humiliation pastas
Why live?

>>20220517
So Rena is a loli too then? Everyone is a loli? ShMion and their huge tits are only 14?

Shocking news, ages in japanese series are randomly said numbers.

>>20220536
How the fuck is 14/15 loli? Are all teenagers sub-16 loli/shota now?

>>20217078
Huh, didn't know there were other fellow teachers invested in the Umineko universe that are also posters on /jp/.

Not sure how would I recommend something like it to any of mine. I teach History anyway, maybe your area makes it more accessible, I'm guessing.

>>20220517
But that makes no sense. Keiichi, Rena and Mion and clearly supposed to be high-schoolers. Hell, Mion leaves the club to Keiichi and Rena at the end of Matsuribayashi because she's busy studying for her college entrance exams.

There is no way Rena is 13 or Shion is working in a maid cafe at 15. That would mean Rena was literally younger than Satoko and Rika when she attacked her rapist friends in her previous school and was sent to a mental hospital. It would mean Mion was 10 in Himatsubushi, which makes her sprite look absurd (it makes sense if she was 12) and her personality unrealistic.

>>20220545
point being, the club girls have near the same age, Satoko is only 3 years younger than the twins.

>>20220517
That was debunked a few years ago. That person made it up.

>>20220554
Mion is studying for her highschool entrance exam, though. Highschool in japan is basically as important as college.

>>20220560
Source?

>>20220517
It's possible that these are the official ages according to Alchemist and the console releases. But Ryuukishi had different ages in mind when he wrote the story, he just never stated them clearly for some reason even though the ages were obvious to an attentive reader just from the context alone.

>>20220574
That's from a Q&A session with Ryukishi himself.

>>20220579
Post the Japanese source and I'll believe it.

Even if that source exists, my headcanon makes more sense anyway.

LEO SHISHIGAMIIIIIII

>>20220568
Everything about Rena's story implies that she lived outside Hinamizawa for a long ass time and had a mental breakdown as a teenager. She can't possibly be 13 during the story if she has been in the village for more than a year (she was familiar with Satoshi when he disappeared in the previous Watanagashi) and before that spent nearly two years in therapy after her mental breakdown.

She must have been 12 or 13 when her friends tried to rape her in the ass and even younger when her mother turned into a whore.

>>20220608
Anon!

I understand the confusion with the Higurashi ages, although the game makes it obvious that the lolis are around 11 and the others are around 16. But how do some people assume that the characters in Higanbana are anything other than fifth or sixth graders? Doesn't the context make it obvious that it's not a high school or anything of the sort? Doesn't chapter 5 mention that the younger students can't understand evil intent while the protagonist is just old enough to comprehend it?

>>20220631
This guy is a walking meme. Imagine pulling off your evil plan perfectly only for this bastard to come OUT OF NOWHERE in the last second and fuck everything up. He intentionally lets you taste victory for a split second.

Kinzo waiting outside the parlor door to set up a dramatic entrance was funny, but what this guy does is nothing short of cruel.

>>20220631
Unironically the best protagonist. K1 was a bit of a drama queen and Battler was a crybaby. Let's not even talk about the pathetic, powerless ghost of a molested autistic loli that refuses to kill humans and is always on the verge of vanishing from existence. Meanwhile, this guy is a fucking badass 24/7, a hilarious master of deadpan and very sympathetic after you learn his past.

>>20220626
>friends tried to rape her
How do you know she wasn't a paranoid wreck by that point? The fact that the kid didn't press charges after literally losing an eye is suspicious, but maybe Ooishi made that up.

I think Keiichi and Rena make the best couple because they are both fucked up people. Rena is a self-harming, two-faced bitch that belongs in a mental institution and plays around in literal trash piles wearing a dress. And K1 has a sadistic side that led him to hunt young lolis with a BB gun as a middle schooler. He didn't even have the excuse of the Hinamizawa syndrome.

Mion is pretty tame in comparison, which is crazy because her family literally murders and tortures people for a living. And she is supposedly learning all about that so she can become the next head. Honestly, her cognitive dissonance regarding this shit is pretty disturbing. She is the friendliest person you'll ever meet, but she doesn't hesitate to force her sister to rip out her fingernails when she's acting as the Sonozaki heir.

Would a Sonozaki Oryou sprite have worked at all? I was always saddened by the fact that she didn't have a sprite, but I wonder if Ryuukishi's style would fit a character like that. I love his art, but all his character look kind of goofy in a way or another, which wouldn't fit Oryou at all.

Could you imagine Leo or Meijiu drawn by Ryuukishi? They would totally lose their presence. Now I understand why he let different artists work on RGD. It's a very different type of story that wouldn't work if every single character had that certain goofiness that comes with his art.

>>20220373
Infodump anon here.

Pretty sure our own Meta is the highest level Umineko has ever reached. and it's mostly mirrored from what we could expect from Rokkenjima Prime.

To be more specific:

1- The highest layer, Our “IRL” world:
We, the goat readers, and Ryukishi, the writer, are part of the story in a pretty not so subtle way in our own game, the same we see happening with Ikuko and the goat theorists from Rokkenjima Prime, except Ikuko is a complete asshole who never gave the full context for the readers (to be fair, one of the few things she did for a good cause in the story). We, instead, got context for everything about the story inside the story, and even the outside of the very story (not to mention extra hints, contents and the manga confirmation in the real world), which bring us to...

2- Kakeraverse, the Sea of Fragments:
This is where the metafictional concepts, alternative interpretations of real world personalities and concepts, such as Willard and Dlanor.

And of course, potentially even Ryukishi himself as Featherine, although not necessarily Ikuko, as well explained by Featherine that she isn't necessarily representative of her actual Witch self, a Writer, much like Ryukishi wouldn't quite be represented by her in the Kakeraverse, nor Willard with real world Van Dine in the eyes of this given author who created the character based on an alternative "futuristic" version of him after getting along with the times posthumously.

One could easily consider it being heavily influenced by some of the concepts of a Jungian Collective Unconscious interpretation of a sort, much like you would see in a Persona game or even Fate Stay Night to an extent. Umineko being a ridiculously more complex example of such, but my best bet would be that Japanese people just love Jung dearly. There's also Remember11, but that one is quite the more explicit alternative take. For a very similar example still not quite as deep as Umineko's own rabbit hole, see Stephen King's “The Dark Tower” (specifically, Books 6 & 7).

Regardless of that actually being relevant to the topic or not, this is the actual layer that connects our very interactions between fiction, reality, our own imaginations, concepts, theories, and even feelings towards a determined element of a particular work, as well as their impact on the story per se depending of what kind of elements are put into play for us to interfere with them in such a direct way even from our Real World perspective.

See for example, EP8's Battle of the Golden Land section, with the Rokkenjima Prime goats eating up the “Catbox” with their own theories, since, contrary to us, they have absolute no idea about which answer they should be getting from Ikuko as for the truth behind the incident, and Ikuko's own decision in that layer that brought them to drop out of interest because of her ultimate coup-out as the writer.

That would be an example on how the meta of the meta worked to create modifications on the very plot because that. In the case of the counterpart with our real world, it could be Ryukishi's personal experience in life influencing in the final product of his own creations, as he sure used those elements a lot in his visual novels and books thus far.

I could give some examples later, but as this went for too long, next would be...

3- Rokkenjima Prime (the “IRL” in Umineko, where the Rokkenjima Massacre took place for real)

[To be Continued]

>>20219910
>>20219697

I want to take those home

>>20220786
>implying the IRL layer isn't shrouded in a massive illusion of Ryukishi being a male author when she's actually a woman using a stand-in assitant for interviews and public appearances
We are all living in a giant magic scene that never happened.

>>20220777
All the adult male characters in Higurashi have super goofy bodies that practically become part of their character. I don't usually hate the other art styles, but Ooishi and Tomitake in particular don't even feel like themselves without Ryukishi's original sprites.

>>20220554
In Kokoroiyashi (the Matsuribayashi epilouge) Mion says that she has to study for her high school exams, which means she would be 14-15

>>20220818
You can't do that out of the blue !
let me take them first

>>20220777
The Black Tea Gentleman has a pretty simmilar presence to Meijiu, I'm sure Ryuukishi could have mustere a character with a simmilar presence to Oryou if he tried hard enough. I mean Kinzo's sprite does have a simmilar enough presence.

>>20220863
I love how you can instantly tell which series a characters comes from just by their shading and color alone.

Higurashi characters have flashy, shiny hair colors and massive eyes. Umineko characters are drawn with softer outlines and colored with the Paint bucket tool (basically uniform colors with barely any shading). And Higanbana characters are a mix of the two styles with super dark, practically black shadows.

I would love a silly non-canon crossover where all the characters keep their original visual style in different worlds, making them feel alien and out of place because of the clashing styles.

>>20220744
>those pupils looking through the o's
LMAO. What chapter is this?

>>20220786
[Continuing]
3- Rokkenjima Prime (the “IRL” in Umineko, where the Rokkenjima Massacre took place for real)

Now, this is where things get interesting, from the perspective of the actual world inside the story. While the Kakeraverse can contain all Ryukishi’s… hell, all of the world authors’ works and their respective readers’ collective ideas and interactions surrounding said work’s not so timeless interpretations, influences and in their respective imaginary circles, Umineko’s, as well as other Ryukishi’s works and alternative interpretations of our reality, are but a fragment of that circle of his, which includes the IRL people who enter in contact with it, and naturally, the author himself.

Meaning, if this world is mirroring our own world, including the Kakeraverse in our plane of existence which connects real world and the collective unconscious, it would naturally have its own. And that’s also where things get REALLY tricky. Since Rokkenjima Prime has its own set of interactions with the imaginary inside the imaginary, and not only that, the imaginary of the imaginary of the imaginary gets played as well, from Tohya’s personal perspective, it really is not that difficult not to lose track of what the hell is going on with each scene and their proper classification in terms of meta layering.

Therefore, let’s enter inside of those later, and explain from the higher layers what was presented to us from the lowest on the get-go (ever since the perspective is given to Battler, at least).

Ryuukishi, most likely “represented” by Featherine, which is explicitly “represented” by Ikuko inside the Rokkenjima Prime layer, is writing stories from her personal perspective and interpretations about the reality that happened during the Rokkenjima Massacre, with the help of our not quite survivor Tohya, which would be Battler Ushiromiya’s identity from there on, after getting his brain damaged after his nice boat scene with Yasu in the Magic Ending of EP8.

These stories are own their own world’s perspective situated in a lower layer that mirrors the Kakeraverse especifically inside that very fragment which would be Umineko. Inside that very fragment Umineko, there isn’t any possibilities of the tragedy not happening, ever, as stated by Bernkastel in EP7. That may not be true outside the Umineko fragment in OUR kakeraverse instead, since there are other people who could interpret it in a non-canonical way in there, and that’s our reality to us. Tecnically, one could say even Rosatrice is canon to how Umineko as a work functions, but not necessarily inside what could be called the “Canon” kakera/fragment for it, which Ryukishi’s shared with us in visual novel form.

In each case, as this kakera has also this mirroring of our own kakeraverse, that means the layers in which these stories are contained into are different as well. And amazingly, as if the rabbit hole couldn’t go any further, we reach the Gameboard scenarios inside the interpretation of what Tohya’s reading within his own personal view of what those bottled stories about the Rokkenjima incident were all about (which prompted him to co-write Forgeries with Ikuko, get Eva’s Diary with the actual truth in her own perspective (EP7’s tea party would be Bernkastel interpretation of the content inside of it) at some point in time in Rokkenjima Prime before Ange’s personal investigation, which brought her to meet Ikuko).

Soooo, to make matters not that confusing, since Rokkenjima Prime has SO MUCH going for it overall:
Rokkenjima prime mirrors our real world, including its own version of the kakeraverse in which Umineko is contained as an existent work.

And, because of that bellow it, we of course have:

4- The Imaginary of Rokkenjima Prime’s own self-contained reality as a fictional work in our world (let’s just go with the Imaginary Kakeraverse):
As I detailed so much of what our Kakeraverse represents already, this will be relatively short. It’s pretty much the very same thing, except that it is contained exclusively in the fictional reality that is Rokkenjima Prime’s (Umineko’s) world.

Meaning, concepts, imaginary friend, mythos, collective unconscious of those imaginary characters towards fictional concepts of that world that mirrors our own, are all in here as well. That could include Sakutarou’s existence as a creation of one’s imagination, as well as the reflection of Kinzo in Natsuhi’s own hopeful interpretation of his figure and feelings towards her as a member of the Ushiromiya family, as shown in EP5.

It also houses all of the books, and the respective kakeras that are created regarding the authors of that very word and their own interpretations and influences of their own work inside that layer. Which naturally bring us to:

[To be Continued]

>>20220786
>putting the IRL world above the Sea of Fragments
Anon...

>>20220918
That's a thing already. The 07th Party fangames.

>>20221117
The what!?

>>20221132
Not sure if they're fanmade or by Ryukishi, but they were released at the 07th Party events. It's just the 07th Expansion characters fooling around in a party.

>>20206532
>https://imgur.com/a/nYrE9Rx
>lewding Rika
You evil evil man.

>>20216582
>implying hate sex isn't best sex

>>20221241
>hate sex
>not hate humiliation with public enema torture and jacking off to the video afterwards

>>20219276
Oh but Dunning Kruger only matters if you're unaware of it! Nobody aware of Dunning Kruger will forget that, as long as they can still look to the stars, they're not done learning yet, and that anyone with a true appreciation of their discipline will know even the deified geniuses of the past took still decades of tireless discipline learning from their predecessors. They've sacrified themselves to beat a true path for us, the posterity, and in return we follow it until we've mapped it all out. Only a fool will go off the beaten path for the sake of originality, the meretricious cloak of the untalented and naive.

You'll probably get my focuses just by reading old threads, but I'm mainly into Hinduism (specifically Vedanta and Shaktism) with Mahayana and Daoist teachings secondary. I like divination, too. Mainly yarrow stalk and tarot. Divination has incredible wisdoms behind it, especially as a recognition and exploitation of the greatest human archetypes. I've come here from the Schopenhauerian strain, especially Wittgenstein and Borges. Dante/German literature to round him out, also all providing easier close reading for Umineko. I use Gnostic, occult, Hermetic, and Kabbalist thought as peripheries to consolidate the universality of the rest. And yeah, /lit/ and /x/ will always eventually coalesce; occultism is just philosophy with confusing and miscontrued theory and practices. Alchemists were more metaphorical than chemists and wanted to explore self-actualization but that mirrors that physical science, in a sense reminscent of Nyaya-Vaisheshika. The philosophical take on it became Hermeticism; the alchemical take chemistry. I'd like you to teach me some more on Gnosticism and Discordianism some time, and I'll let you read of my beliefs in relation to Umineko throughout the threads. I know Discordianism has its meta traits and draws from Daoism, so I'll get into it easily. Also thank you for you recommendations, and please tell me more about how Gnosticism connects to Umineko, like how only a select few pieces will perforate maya and catch moksha, to apotheosis, and like how only a select few pieces will take Sophia's desperate lifeline, the divine spark, to beatification.

>>20221041
[Continuing]
5- The written layer inside of Umineko’s imaginary Kakeraverse, inside of Rokkenjima Prime’s reality, inside of our own Kakeraverse, inside our own reality, let’s put as (Layer inside the kakeras of Rokkenjima’s Prime Kakeraverse).

This would be what represent the Rokkenjima Prime for us, in their (the people of Rokkenjima Prime) own perspective. Being more specific, the layer in which their own “Umineko”, the “Golden Witch” series of forgeries based on the bottled manuscripts written by Yasu and found/studied by the Witch Hunters ever since.

However, there’s a catch this time around. Their own perspective doesn’t quite englobe what the very authors have as referential material for which to effectively determine what is to be considered canon for their “Umineko” or not. They are just as much of theorists as us before the conclusion of the story (and also we got answers, while their readers did not) and they don’t quite know what the real factual story is based on the Rokkenjima Massacre’s reality in their very real-world perspective, different of us, who have everything elaborated as one huge story in which these concepts are contained and properly explained.

Meaning, for each particular “Episode” (inside the Rokkenjima Prime, not the ones in our own IRL world), such as Yasu’s manuscripts and plans, as well as Ikuko and Tohya’s forgeries to an extent) we have YET ANOTHER LAYER to be aware of, that being:

6- The Meta-World/Purgatorio (Tohya’s own interpretations and perspectives while self-inserting himself in his own memories and connecting them to the Rokkenjima Prime’s “Umineko” kakeras, specifically, his own take inside even the stories he is writing or being part of with his old self).

Some may consider this as a fragment on its own inside the Rokkenjima Prime’s Kakeraverse, inside the… let’s denominate… “Witch Hunt” circle, but of course, still not canonical to what Eva’s diary (canon) has to say about the reality in which the book was based on, in her own memories and life experience of the tragedy. However, this layer is created inside each of these “Episodes” kakeras by Tohya in order to solve the puzzle behind his very own interpretation of that text, of which only he and us, readers of Umineko who can see his own perspective, can see.

Therefore, this is a layer inside the layer that represents each individual reality regarding the Bottled Manuscripts AND EVEN Ikuko’s and Tohya’s own forgeries, in Tohya’s very unique perspective as an amnesiac with memories of a person he doesn’t consider himself, and yet, was a part of this incident of which he is trying to find answers for, and he is where he confronts Beatrice as a concept of his mind, who is more than implied to be Beatrice’s posthumous existence inside Rokkenjima Prime’s kakeraverse visiting his own plane of interpretation… or maybe that’s what one who’s chosen the Magic Ending would say, a Trick person would coldly regard as his own delusional damaged mind trying to reconstruct what Beatrice should represent for him as the culprit for the incident, as well as what does she mean to him, who is she, what are her reasons, in his skeptical point-of-view, at least initially.

And the places in which he “impersonates” himself as Battler Ushiromiya, and our VERY FIRST perspective in the whole story from Episode 1 (not counting Kinzo’s prologue scene) is:

7- The Gameboards
I think I don’t even need to explain this one. This is what our perspective in the story was mostly all about, which was solely being analyzed from Meta-Battler’s perspective from the first Tea Party onwards. Piece Battler is his detective perspective following what was written in the manuscripts and his own research material, hypothesis and recollections (in short, their forgeries).

And there we have it. All Umineko’s seven metafictional layers. ABRIDGED (there are many details to pay attention for even with all of this information, so consider this as being a TL;DR of a sort).

Umineko is just too vast.

[END]

3D Rika in progress too.

>>20221061
Above ours would be Matrix, as if, we lived in a reality that doesn't actually exist, and instead, a higher layer in which we imagine we live in reality.

>>20221258
I like the way you think. But you can also do hate sex then rape sex then public hate shameful humiliation.