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Guide & resources (start here):
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/

Reminder that YouTube e-celeb discussion is off-topic and does not belong in this thread. Please help to ensure the quality of DJT by reporting and ignoring all off-topic posts and low-quality shitposting.

Previous thread: >>20196029

>> No.20200160
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Reminder to set your Interval Modifier to 150%

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Reminder that sentence mining is only a meme if you do it マット貴様スタイル

>> No.20200183

>>20200178
Please read the OP before posting

>> No.20200195

>>20200160
what does that do

>> No.20200203

>>20200195
The default ease of an Anki card is 2.5 which means if your cards interval is 10 days and you hit "Good" on it then you'll see it again in 2.5*10=25 days. So 25 is the new interval but you can change that equation a bit. If you set Interval Modifier to 150% then it becomes 1.5*2.5*10=37 days. Why do you want a bigger interval? Well because that means your reps get more spread out and you have less work to do daily. But also seeing a card less frequently means your retention will drop and you will fail more cards and that will create extra work for you. You want to find the best balanced between that positive factor and that negative factor. And it's 150%

>> No.20200218 [DELETED] 

How do you translate "fuck niggers" in Japanese without using ファック or ニガー?

>> No.20200222

I'm now finding just watching things in Japanese with subtitles is a great way to learn. I'm dropping Anki after more than a year of using it. I'm done. Finished. NO MORE.

I'm surprisingly fast at drawing kanji so looking up stuff I don't know isn't a big deal.

I think I'm gonna make it guys! No more Anki just immersion for me!

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>>20200203
forgot pic

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I've been here since 2014 and have never seen anybody ever learn Japanese. Only person that's claimed too was a fag from Finland that got raped by his mom or something and that was 2015.

>> No.20200260

>>20200155
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/shousetu/index.html
this page is broken the novel links dont work

>> No.20200263

>>20200259
im going to be the second

>> No.20200320

>>20200260
shhhh just let the guy shill his guide

>> No.20200346

>>20200260
for the xxxxxth time
you need to manually add in the mega.nz in the address

>> No.20200364

>>20200346
What about the non-mega links to the HTML files?

>> No.20200365

>>20200259
this shibboleth is so anti intellectual i could write an entire essay on how dumb people who post it are

>> No.20200376

>>20200260
>>20200364
use djt.netlify.com

i don't really know why the itazuraneko guy bothered fucking with the links, they can already be scraped from elsewhere anyway like netlify and the old guide

>> No.20200398

what is an extremely easy book to read

>> No.20200403 [DELETED] 

>khatzumoto
>invent ajatt
>achieve fluency in japanese
>do the same for mandarin and cantonese as well
>have engaging discussions with natives
>live in japan as a software engineer

>maatt
>idolize khatzumoto and do ajatt
>go to japan as an exchange student
>shut in your host familys house and eat bento in schools toilet stall
>end up hating japan, its culture and people
>come back to america to live in your parents basement
>try to steal ajatt in your own name by rebranding it and adding new retarded rules
>revert back to the original ajatt rules after multiple catastrophic failures but still keep it in your name in order to get the patreon bucks
>major in japanese and keep telling japanese exchange students how you want to be the 一番強い外人

>> No.20200405

Why would he bother with fucking the links, but keep the download link at the top the same?
Everyone would literally just go and download the entire site instead of doing his bullshit way

>> No.20200423

>>20200376
I thought netlify was old. How do they still have the same amount of books?

>> No.20200428

>>20200403
Please read the OP before posting

>> No.20200431 [DELETED] 

>>20200403
yeah but m*tts not black so he automatically wins

>> No.20200435

>>20200259
nobody's ever going to "see" anyone learn Japanese here, what do you think this place is?

i'm sure at least a few people from our active and lurking populace are decent enough to say "i know japanese" and not make a fool of themselves in the process of backing it up, but that doesn't really get you any attention because becoming relatively skilled in a language is about as impressive as not breaking any bones for 3 years

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>>20200259
>>20200263
>>20200435

>> No.20200449

how do you say "frot" in Japanese

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>>20200431
No he doesn't.

>> No.20200457 [DELETED] 

>>20200452
cope harder calvin

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>>20200445
I'm glad Matt made a friend, even if he's imaginary.

>> No.20200500

>>20200445
Why the fuck is he lying this badly lol?
I just came back here yesterday who is he

>> No.20200504

Stop with this Matt autism. I just want to circle jerk about anki and N3

>> No.20200509

おはようおにいちゃん

ケーキたべたい

>> No.20200532

>>20200445
>I think seeing the difference in our ability had a big effect on him
Couldn't be the fact you've probably been studying ten times as long as he has. The fact he could read and in record time says a lot. He probably didn't care alot about conversating. People get good at what they want to do. He now has the vocab though so he could work on aquisition and shit on any of his "students" fluency speeds. He's pretty much shitting on a guy using his own methods too. He just didn't immerse as much.

>> No.20200539

>>20200504
This. The discovery of this guy's channel was the worst thing to ever happen to DJT. Even worse than Jamal's never ending shitposting.

Every fucking thread is just "Matt this, Matt that", "Nuke this, Nuke that", Yogapants, and all his other fucking followers. Can we please just have one thread that isn't instantly derailed into this stupid e-celeb gossip?

>> No.20200543

>>20200539
>Yogapants
Are these popular in the not cold parts of japan?

>> No.20200550

>>20200539
feel free to post about anything else

except anki, that's also off limits if you want to broker a deal here

>> No.20200564

>>20200203
Can I see the math behind that? My retention is currently at about 92%.

>> No.20200606

>>20200564
You should make it harder till you get to 75% like me and max your absorption

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>> No.20200619

>>20200564
there is no math behind it, they're pulling it out of their ass, it's based on a simulation that doesn't take how exposure effects retention chance into account

>> No.20200745

>>20200619
Exactly, I've been saying that forever. Time and focus are a huge part of your %. I flip through mine pretty quick now. I used to take like 70 seconds per card now it's like 5-15 seconds. So many other factors when it comes to focus and whatnot too.

>> No.20200765

>>20200745
Listening is more valuable than ankidroning

Having 10 minutes of comprehensible audio on repeat the whole day is going to see more gains than any amount of Anki reps

>> No.20200768

anki tweaking is fucking pointless if you actually read and listen which m a tt doesnt do because hes a poser just like anyone that learns for the culture lol but doesnt enjoy anime

>> No.20200822

ベンイス

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>>20200822

>> No.20200832 [DELETED] 

it's kinda funny how Matt doesn't want to speak Japanese on his channel because a gaijin talking to other gaijin is "cringe" but when he talks to nips it's actually ichiban tsuyoi cringe

>> No.20200879 [DELETED] 

>
Reminder that YouTube e-celeb discussion is off-topic and does not belong in this thread. Please help to ensure the quality of DJT by reporting and ignoring all off-topic posts and low-quality shitposting.
Who the fuck are you to tell us what to do faggot.

>> No.20200883 [DELETED] 

>Reminder that YouTube e-celeb discussion is off-topic and does not belong in this thread. Please help to ensure the quality of DJT by reporting and ignoring all off-topic posts and low-quality shitposting.

>> No.20200884

>>20200879
sounds like excellent advice for this and also every single other thread on 4chan

>> No.20200886

>Reminder that YouTube e-celeb discussion is off-topic and does not belong in this thread. Please help to ensure the quality of DJT by reporting and ignoring all off-topic posts and low-quality shitposting.

who the fuck are you to tell us what to do?

>> No.20200887

>>20200765
I did over a year of watching raws and I only learned maybe 200 words. I just recently found out about anki and I can now understand thousands within 4-5 months. It's not about one being better than the other it's about both being great at what they do. I'm sure the listening made my anki go better and vice versa. It doesn't have to be anki but you do have to do something to get the vocab into your head at the start.

>> No.20200889

third times the charm lol

>> No.20200908

>>20200887
The whole point of repetitive audio is to make it so you don't have to think about what you're hearing.

Let's be real, there's only so many ways any given sentence can go in any language. If you already have a good grasp of grammar and vocab, but struggle to listen to it, you just need to find examples of sentences including those things and listen to those bad boys on repeat. Do not Anki them. Put them on while driving, at the store, repeat them out loud when not around people to avoid looking like a weirdo. If you work a job that lets you listen, you're in the fucking money and can probably do this at 2x the speed of anyone else.

After the first 500 or so you'll notice the effects. After 2000-3000 you'll probably be ok to stop doing it entirely, assuming you've chosen ones that are reasonably challenging but not overkill at any given time. Cycle out old stuff when it's embedded in your soul, but keep these on constant rotation on some cheap Amazon tier MP3 player or something.

Really this should be no different than vocab mining in reading, you're just making it easier to deal with a much harder thing.

The whole point of this is to make it easier for you to listen to raws and other shit you hear in the wild. If you have trouble listening, the only solution is to listen more, but listening to all different shit all the time is not going to help someone who literally has to stop and consider that について or と思います they just heard.

>> No.20200912

>>20200887
You're either lying or an idiot. If you'd actually done over a year of watching anime as comprehensible input, you'd have learned a lot more than 200 fucking words.

Might as well have stuck to subbed anime and done double time.

>> No.20200923

>>20200912
My family watched japanese tv in my house for years and it didn't do shit. Your religion is bull shit. Sorry.

>> No.20200934

>>20200435
you could go to n*ke's youtube channel and see him not learn in over two years of videos of him fucking around on memrise. don't get why now everyone here is nutting all over him now that he read one little light novel even though he used the audio book and a mouse over dictionary to do it.

>> No.20200935 [DELETED] 

https://youtu.be/Pay6T0nY-Nc?t=3717

learning Japanese was a waste of time

>> No.20200944

>>20200935
you could literally see him die inside as he explained that.

>> No.20200946

>>20200935
good thing this isn't true for 2d girls

>> No.20200954

>>20200935
I wonder if he ever watched Lady Snow Blood or Shogun Assassin or any Kurosawa stuff? Because those are some of the best films I've ever seen.

>> No.20200975

Can you add the 切る suffix to する?
>しきる
It sounds wrong to me but...

>> No.20200979

まあ、8割嘘だと思って聞いておくといい

What's it mean lads?

>> No.20200980

>>20200975
yes

>> No.20200983

>>20200887
>I did over a year of watching raws
If you literally didn't look up any words while watching these raws I can see this but otherwise it's frankly unimaginable.

>> No.20200985

>>20200908
I did repetetive audio and it was pretty effective. Theres a spotify with deathnote audio on it you should check out. I played through it quiet a few times. I'm noticing huge listening improvements after building up my vocab on anki though because I've listened to japanese enough to relate it already. I'll keep mixing it up and seeing what works. I want to have a good core vocab and start going back to full time listening and reading and see how that goes.

>> No.20200993

I'm never going to enjoy manga again, am I?

>> No.20200999

>>20200979
what don't you get?
listen to it (聞いておく) thinking of it as 80% fiction (8割嘘だと思って)
~といい is command phrasing

>> No.20201011

>>20200983
I was probably getting some subconcious stuff but conciously it wasn't very much. At first I couldn't even here the words to look anything up and I eventually got to a point where I could understand all of the sounds and tones, but I needed vocab. Thank god I found anki bc it's accelerating the hell out of my learning and exactly what I was missing.

>> No.20201043

>>20200999
Oh shit, I get it now. Thanks for helping me become slightly less retarded.

>> No.20201054

>>20200935
>They'll think you're smart but that's nothing to them
hahahahaha *inhales deeply* AHAHAHAHAHA I didn't know he also tips fedoras.

>> No.20201059

Am I right in assuming that since Japan is pretty anti-piracy, there's no real 'best' site for getting raws from Japan? The best sites I can find are Western-run and all the Japanese sites I have bookmarked are either free to read anyway or their licensing has expired. I've been trying '[name] DL' on Google JP on something I'm looking for and have had no luck. I can't buy the Kindle version on Amazon JP because my debit card won't work before anyone roasts me for being a poorfag.

>> No.20201068

>>20201011
So you just sat in front of the cartoon, no subtitles, and didn't bother to pick out what they were saying or god forbid look up anything you didn't understand in jisho or google? What made you think this would teach you Japanese?
No shit you didn't learn anything, language learning doesn't happen through magic. How the fuck did you even keep this up for over a year?

What you're missing is a brain.

>> No.20201078

「でも、知ってるか? 命という漢字の中には、叩くという漢字が含まれているんだぜ」

「意味がわかりませんっ」

「命は叩いてこそ光り輝くってことさ」

>> No.20201088

>>20201068
>or god forbid look up anything you didn't understand in jisho or google? What made you think this would teach you Japanese?
This actually does work though

>> No.20201089

>>20201059
What are you looking for? you can often find raw manga ddl just by searching the name (in japanese) plus an archive file extension.

That's usually the most plentiful source so if you can't find anything though that or nyaa, you're probably going to have to get a card that works on JP websites.

>> No.20201101

>>20201068
I watched 3 hours of childrens shows every day so yea I thought it would work if it was designed for little kids. I learned all the parts of the body, the days of the week, numbers, and that type of stuff. I did look up words occassionally too. I'm saying it was just insanely slow compared to something like anki. For where I was at in my studies anki was a game changer. God bless it. I'll be low level fluent in about 6 more months hopefully.

>> No.20201104

>>20200435
i've never broken any bones in my life. praise me

>> No.20201107

>>20201101
So you learned on average one new word every 5 hours? You're either underestimating how much you learned or overestimating how much you actually watched.

>> No.20201115

>>20201088
Are you saying looking things up in google and jisho works? Because that's what that post is saying.
Eng subtitles also work because you can listen to the jp audio and use the subtitles as a hint for your comprehension.
But listening without a good foothold on the language and making a half assed effort to comprehend it is going to get you nowhere.

>>20201101
You were on the right track. You just need to keep stepping it up a notch, watch big boy cartoons, look up everything you don't understand.

>> No.20201118

>>20201089
I know it sounds dumb, but I've been on a wholesome slice-of-life kick recently and a manga called しばたベーカリー was advertised in one I was already reading. It's possible it's just not very popular and no one has uploaded it, but I was wondering how to maximise my success in finding manga in the future.

>> No.20201122

>>20201107
After the childrens shows I watch sumo wrestling and the news too. At night drama shows, etc. I got really good at figuring out what was going on but it was like a little kids understanding. I didn't start understanding english news till I was like 10 years old so same hold true in other languages. Maybe a little less bc of the knowlegde in the other.

>> No.20201124

>>20201115
No, I'm saying you can infer things from context and learn without ever looking up anything.

>> No.20201134

>>20201101
>I learned all the parts of the body, the days of the week, numbers, and that type of stuff.
That's your mistake, why do you need to know the word for waist at your level? Unless you're a gym otaku or something, learn words by frequency.

>> No.20201143

>>20201134
> learn words by frequency
this man is a corefag, do not listen to him

>> No.20201155

>>20200983
typical DJT here. tell people to do something stupid (fuck studying and anki, just immerse) then call people moron for just immersing and not looking up stuff (which is fucking studying).

>> No.20201156

>>20201143
You realize that by reading a lot you'll see more frequent words more frequently, right?

>> No.20201158

>>20201124
You can, but it's not very practical. I sure as hell didn't learn all the English I know that way and it's my native language.

I know Krashen pushes input as the only contributor to building language facilities, and he has that whole skit where he points to his head and says the word for head in German or whatever langauge, but it's really pushing it to discard all meta-learning from language acquisition. Sure your facilities for the language are not improved by simply learning a fact about what a word means, but knowing that fact can be a rapid catalyst for further language acquisition since it will improve your accuracy when you infer from context. It's essentially more context.

>> No.20201166

>>20201156
yeah, which is why you shouldn't spend too much time worrying if the word you picked up or mined are frequent or not, if your vocab is small most words you'll mine will be frequent enough to justify it, and if it's not then that's fine too because you'll at least be learning new readings and patterns.

>> No.20201171

>>20201155
you need to clock out buddy, i swear it's always you the same clown ass lowercase poster who still uses punctuation for some arcane reason coming in here and false flagging the thread to the ground

>> No.20201172

>>20201166
Wrong again, if you're reading and see a word that's obviously rare then you shouldn't worry about it unless you're advanced.

>> No.20201175

>>20201134
Waist is pretty high frequency though, the girls in my cartoons use it to talk about their bodies.

>> No.20201177

how do you say "twink" in japanese

>> No.20201180

マンコおとこ

>> No.20201189

>>20201172
i didn't and it turned out fine for me. even if something's usefullness isn't apparent at the time, i mined plenty of words which taught me certain prefixes and suffixes that i wouldn't have learned anyway, even then if you find a word that has a reading you don't know that's valuable on it's own as it's teaching you a reading. unless it's a gikkun or some retarded ateji you can always justify mining something. i remember really early on mining 咆哮 and was surprised how often i saw it after mining it.

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>> No.20201192

>>20201177
女々しいな男

>> No.20201203

>>20201172
If you're not advanced you can't tell what's "obviously rare," so it's safer to just look up things you don't know. You're probably better off not mining them at first sight, but looking up "rare" words is not a bad idea because there's a decent chance they will be important to the meaning of the sentence, and a part of the context for what follows.

>> No.20201220

>>20200155
>(妖精弓手)ねえ
>今歌っていた冒険者だけど―

>Hey, that adventurer you were just singing about...

だけど is generally translated as "however" but i see it often only translated as
"...".

can one generally say だけど is "..." as sentence ending particle in japanese?

>> No.20201223

>>20201203
Just use voracious or a similar video player that lets you hover over a subtitle word and it pops up the definition. If a word is frequent enough, you'll learn it through immersion that way. If subtitles scare you, voracious blurs them out so you can't read them until you hover over it.

>> No.20201238

anyone other trans girls learning japanese here

>> No.20201243

>>20201220
No because it implies a continuation

>> No.20201252

https://youtu.be/_SvTN9ia3Uk?t=2989
>2,5 years to reach fluency in Japanese

I'd better be fluent in that time with your methods /djt/, if silly AJATTers can do it then we should do it even faster right? One thing that is eerie is that there's no single person in these threads that would positively state with backup that that they are fluent after that kind of time.

>> No.20201258

https://youtu.be/C9KjKueoMBg?t=56

nuke talking about us again

>> No.20201259

>>20201258
>post by 4chan

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>>20201220
It very often just connects to the next phrase without a contrastive meaning. が is the same way. Do not get it stuck in your mind as "but," I'm pretty sure any decent grammar guide covers this.

>>20201243
In this case it's exactly like the definition here, and also implies a continuation. The line punctuation also indicates this. The translation isn't off.
However there are other senses like 1(ア) here that do not imply a continuation.

You clowns need to watch more cartoons, けど has got to be close to the most frequently used particle in the language.

>> No.20201263

>>20201252
i've gotten pretty far in the 7 months i started with, i stopped browsing here for several months now and just came back cause i was bored. just put in enough time and you'll get there. i assume most people who made it also don't stick around here, i certainly feel less and less like browsing here the more i learn

>> No.20201270

>>20201192
そのいいかたはしない

オネエっていう

>> No.20201355

>>20201252
Lying and deception are time-honoured AJATT traditions. Don't take anything those cultists claim at face value.

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自分のゲームを作った(yay)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idhCoUG5caE&t=9s

>> No.20201371

>>20201366
gayme now namaeh woah

>> No.20201379

>>20200935
wow this is interesting the perspective of a early 20s virgin with natural male balding tell me about "japanese girls"

>> No.20201380

>>20200398
Momotaro

>> No.20201384

Thoughts on using "Terry and May" instead of genki?

>> No.20201407

>>20201258
Anyone else actually believes that reading along with an audio book and using a hover dictionary counts as reading? Seems okay to me.

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>>20201371
コメントありがとうございます。でも、意味は何?

>> No.20201433

>>20200935
>Taking Matts opinion on anything seriously
>ever
Why would you do that? Just look at the wall behind him to see how autistic he is.

>> No.20201437

>>20201419
いみは
きみは
にほんごができない

>> No.20201459

>>20201384
Pretty much any textbook works.

The reason why for example Reddit recommends
>Genki I
>Genki II
>An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese
>Tobira
>New Authentic Japanese: Progressing From Intermediate to Advanced
is, because it works. And jokes aside, 4 of those five books are published by the same company. And the only one which isn't, Tobira, is the perfect middle book.

The only thing important is that you have books which cover elementary Japanese, intermediate Japanese, and books, which introduce you to advanced Japanese.

You can also skip Genki completely and use minna no nihongo. Or you could skip the first three books and use
>Marugoto
>Tobira
>New Authentic Japanese: Progressing From Intermediate to Advanced

Or you could skip all those textbooks completely and use completely different textbooks.

For example I can tell you the first example works perfectly, but even then, I have seen a lot of people who liked minna no nihongo much more. The only thing I can tell you for certain is, that I don't know "Terry and May" and if you aren't required by a Japanese teacher (if you study Japanese) to use "Terry ans May" you should only use books a lot of people have used and approved, because if you have problems or questions, it's much easier to find an answer for "main stream" stuff, than something only a few people use.

The textbook is only meant to give you a way. You will spend 90 % of your time with Anki anyway. The only goal of a textbook is that you know where you stand and that you have a path to progress. Also textbooks are created with a lot of work which you don't have to do.

And the best thing of all, even if you are poor, itazuraneko for example gives you the opportunity to get all the textbooks you need for free.

>> No.20201471

臙脂色
三白眼

Are these words even worth mining?

>> No.20201481

>>20201262
quality post mate and fuck you iam marathoning cartoons nonstop but some things just stay so vague until clarified

>> No.20201490

>>20201437
すこしできるよ!(泣き始める)

>> No.20201513

>>20201258
I made this post >>20197446.
If he's talking about that then I want him to know I was a little disappointed when clicking the video titled "Let's read Japanese" and it wasn't actually him reading out loud.
That's all.

>> No.20201520

>>20201433
his advice on 3d girls is about as good as his advice on japanese

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My college is now offering courses in Japanese. Is it worth taking or will it fuck up my learning? I just finished learning the kana and am now working on vocab and grammar.

>> No.20201541

>>20201532
you can't get knowledge from college. you're better off honing by ankidroning.

>> No.20201542

>>20201532
Don't do it, it's just a waste of time.
A friend of mine did it for one semester (I didn't because it cost money) and I had her show me the example sheets they got.
It's basically scans of genki and kanji exercises. They learned like 25 kanji in total. And some everyday phrases.

Glad I didn't do it.

>> No.20201544

>>20201532
it could be useful but you have to go the extra mile beyond just doing the class and utilize any bilingual faculty

basically you should be learning so far ahead of the class that you need to get the professors input on what to do beyond the scope of the course

>> No.20201545

>>20201532
Its super slow, no reason to do it. Within a semester you could get much farther just by reading Tae Kim once

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>>20201366
このゲームについてどう思いますか。

>> No.20201566

>>20201513
I don't know about you, but when I'm reading in English or Japanese, I normally don't say anything. Why would you want Nuke reading out loud when he's still studying N3 level material.

Anyway, I've seen his videos where he's reading Japanese with his tutors. It's not good.
https://youtu.be/rrucRokTJ-s

>> No.20201580

>>20201566
>I don't know about you, but when I'm reading in English or Japanese, I normally don't say anything.
Well yeah, but when you make a video on youtube about yourself reading then you'd read out loud, wouldn't you?

At least that's what I expect from a video titled "Let's read Japanese".
Not someone listening to drama and reading along the subs.
Not someone sitting there reading a book for 20 minutes saying nothing.

>> No.20201583

>>20201566
good lord nuke chan・・

https://streamable.com/be017

>> No.20201586

>>20201580
idk dude white dudes that try to learn japanese are just retarded

>> No.20201588

>>20201532
>I just finished learning the kana and am now working on vocab and grammar.
You're probably already further than you would be after the first year of that college course.

>> No.20201589

>>20201586
>t.jamal

>> No.20201600

>>20201589
i mean can you post any white dudes who are owning at learning japanese cause i can post folks who are all other colors and ethnicities who have no problem

this is just like objective observation

>> No.20201602

>>20201580
Can't disagree with your point since I would think a "let's read" would do the same. However, at least Nuke's doing something different and it makes it usable to others that are watching his video since they can read and listen to native audio as well. He tried reading stuff out loud and sucked at it. Now he's trying comprehension instead of production which he credits to 4ch among other things. I hope it works out for him.

>> No.20201605

any way to make Kanji Tomo window switch sides when I'm reading i.e. when cursor is hovering over words on the right the window goes to the left etc.

>> No.20201608

>>20201583
>https://streamable.com/be017
He's, uh, energetic at least. Cute tutor he hired as well.

>> No.20201612

>>20201600
I don't follow any e-celebs.

>> No.20201613

>>20201580
I think he just has some compulsion that makes him record everything he does and post it to the internet.

>>20201588
This is actually accurate, at least for the first quarter if not the first year. I took a 101 college course for high school credits a couple years ago, we were quizzed on something like 5 kana at a time each week.

>> No.20201616

>>20201490
あしたは

もうすこし

できるようになるよ

がんばれおにいちゃん

>> No.20201618

>>20201602
Yeah I think his learning method is pretty decent and I never said anything bad about it.

>> No.20201621

>>20201583
His intonation is beyond terrible, how does he do it?

>> No.20201624

>>20201565
そのゲームの名前は何ですか

>> No.20201625

>>20201580
>>20201613
And then Jamal has some compulsion that makes him post links to Nuke's stuff and bitch about it here.

>> No.20201629

>>20201608
>>20201621
i have to wonder what horrors that tutor lady san has had to endure where she doesnt just immediately lose her shit and start laughing at nuke chans fucked up shit and im even talking about his japanese ability thats not what makes that hilarious exactly as you pointed out

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20201631

>>20201624
Uni Elementals
(frufi.itch.io/uni)

>> No.20201633

>>20201625
hey you fuck heads post the links first and then i play with the shit

post better shit for me to play with otherwise i have to make do with what yall give me

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r8 my OC

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>>20201635

>> No.20201641

>>20201621
vocaroo.com
Do it better.

>> No.20201642

>>20201583
>https://streamable.com/be017
holy fuck he's so bad
why can't he just talk to his wife, why does he pay to talk to tutors?

>> No.20201643

>>20201621
It sounds like he is trying to sound funny or something, maybe he wants to have a hit at the girl.

>> No.20201648

Jamal is so pathetic

>> No.20201651

>>20201641
>Do it better.
I do it better by virtue of not being American sounding faggot.

>> No.20201652

>>20201648
only slightly less than you tho : )

>> No.20201660

>>20201643
He's mimicking the actor from the drama the transcript is from.

>> No.20201665

>>20201660
is the actor a thick headed overweight American G.I.?

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>> No.20201674

yes. not everbody can be as hilarious as your idol

>> No.20201677

https://www.mblnews.org/materias/ex-reitor-da-uffs-espanca-enteado-de-11-anos-que-comemorava-a-vitoria-de-bolsonaro/

>Meyer chegou a ser preso em flagrante sob acusação de agressão, sendo autuado pelo delegado Helder Lauria, mas poucas horas depois foi solto mediante o pagamento da fiança de 2,5 mil reais.

Beat my children with a whip meant for horses and I pay few bucks and i'm walking again, call someone a nigger and that's no good you can't pay bail. Gotta love this country

>> No.20201680

>>20201651
American accent truly is the worst.

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>>20201677

>> No.20201705

>>20201583
>>20201621
It's not just his intonation, he can't even say the basic sounds right.

>kureshi
>fusuu

Does he just not care? I don't like to shit-talk the guy since he already gets enough of that, but it honestly seems like he doesn't care and isn't even trying.

>> No.20201710

>>20201705
thats it its the disrespect its the ignorant gaijin disrespect

hes literally fucking japanese in the ass while the poor lady has to bear witness

>> No.20201716

also the content like makes that 100x more enjoyable than it should be

>> No.20201718

>>20201705
I think to him it might sound okay, his ears are too used to american english to hear mistakes in Japanese.
Just like how Japanese can't hear the difference between l and r.

It's very hard to overcome this.
I don't know how old he was when he started learning Japanese, but the older you get the more this becomes a problem.

>> No.20201733

>>20201718
im not masochistic enough to watch any solid portion of that vid but a good teacher would stop his retarded ass and make him pronounce at least one sentence correctly fuckin one syllable at a time like a toddler until he gets them all right

if tutor lady san didnt do that nuke should recall that money

doing that should definitely work on a guy like nuke chan unless hes confirmed learning disability it doesnt matter how old he is

you gotta drill the right way and you have to always do it the right way and then it becomes natural and you dont have to try to do it the right way anymore

a former serviceman like nuke chan knows what that shit means

>> No.20201750

>>20201718
How would you compare in that video from March to how he sounds now? Sounds the same to me.
https://youtu.be/C9KjKueoMBg?t=26m37s

>> No.20201755

>>20201565
>>20201366
女々しいペニス付きますかユーチューバー君?

>> No.20201756

>>20201750
>たとえ even if
>たとえ even if

hes literally drilling himself to be perma aids

>> No.20201761

バジンガ

>> No.20201763

>>20201733
Didn't read.

>> No.20201766

>>20201763
doesnt make it any less fun for me to write you cant hurt me : )

>> No.20201779

>>20201750
https://streamable.com/o3vxb heres another way to ingrain yourself with perma aids

>> No.20201792

>>20201779
So he knows what a word means when he hears it in Japanese and knows how to write it in Japanese from memory. Oh the fucking horror.

>> No.20201794

>>20201756
????

>> No.20201797

>>20201252
>then we should do it even faster right?
if that were true someone would be vouching for DJT's methods and claiming greater fluency than ajatters given comparable amounts of time. doesn't happen. because DJT takes the kaufmann approach of "just have fun". which means no anki, no monolingual transition, no sentence mining, etc.

less stressful, but clearly the results are worse.

>> No.20201800 [DELETED] 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl4U8s-Dp4U
>Hey guys, Matt here with another informational video! Ever download a subbed anime video but it has subs and you can't remove them? Worry not, simply use my newest M.I.A. method: cover up the subs!

Subscribed.
Turn on notifications.
Became a $10 Patreon to talk on discord.

>> No.20201802

>>20201794
They're bitching about Nuke having trouble recalling what a word means that he learned the day before. It literally had a 12 hour Anki spacing.

>> No.20201803

>>20201792
he doesnt know anything its very obvious from the long pause he cant even recite the sentence back in his head

>> No.20201809

never woulda thought someone would whiteknight nukes trash to continue trying to mislead people that shit like that is okay and is going to lead to any kind of proficiency

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Stop shitposting about youtubers and read/watch some compelling content instead!

>> No.20201817

>>20201809
he has this one extremely pathetic follower that 'snitches' on whatever we write here to his master
and he does it for free

>> No.20201820

>>20201809
It's probably Nuke doing the whiteknighting. He talks about us at the start of that video.

>> No.20201822

You guys are being more toxic toward Nuke than usual.

>> No.20201828

>>20200509
cute

>> No.20201829

>>20201816
i\ve just finished reading this graded reader from DJT library and I actually had a laugh
I'm on level 4, there's like 10 readers left for me to read from that pack, I've already read a few dozen

>> No.20201833

its not toxic i still like nuke chan

that shits just not okay dont do it or youll end up like him

period

>> No.20201849

It could always be worse. You could end up like Jamal.

>> No.20201850

legit question: he has a Jap wife, why does he buy services of Jap tutors if he can just talk to her for free?

>> No.20201855

>>20201849
no one can end up like jamal im the one and only

>> No.20201859

>>20201816
My brain needs a break from all the NHK Easy

>> No.20201862

>>20201802
Ah to be fair, that's pretty bad

>> No.20201865

>卒業したあとのことについて悩む「進路の問題」は33人、「家庭の問題」は31人、「いじめの問題」は10人でした。

Let's read this.

>> No.20201875

>>20201850
When you get married, you'll understand why you wouldn't want your spouse to be your teacher or student.

>> No.20201877

>>20201850
its prolly at the point where she just says hes perfect without ever making eye contact

>> No.20201878

>>20201875
because of this >>20201877 ?

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wtf does this mean? I've been doing radical search on tangorin for like ten minutes and I have no clue what this shit means. It doesn't even show up in the radical search.

>> No.20201892

>>20201859
I found out a cool way to remember some more vocabulary reading NHK Easy. Just turn off the furigana and try reading the whole text without it. Once you guess a word well (switch furigana on and off to check) you can proceed, if you failed you have to read from the very beginning again.

PS How many articles do you usually read a day there?

>> No.20201902

>>20201809
I hope he'll at least keep reading for an hour or two a day and begin to realize he will be better off cutting down on his daily 2 hour anki reviews and getting more input instead

>> No.20201903

>>20200935
>November 2
>191 views
>0 comments
Why is everyone here so obsessed with him? He seems so obscure that it's probably only people here watching his videos.

>> No.20201909

>>20201890
彼も

>> No.20201910

>>20201890
we need some context

>> No.20201919

>>20201890
it means theres somethin else unseen goin on with that dude

it could be anything we dont know

>> No.20201921

>>20201223
Viral marketing?

>> No.20201926

>>20201903
if that was true he wouldn't be making $400 a month on patreon

>> No.20201928

how to spot a beginner: asking for context

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i just realized op fucked up and used the wrong pic again

>> No.20201933

>>20201890
wtf dude

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>>20201932
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQzr9k77ASY&lc=z22cyv2gfn30s1g2sacdp434pqc2pqg00cgshtfdxlxw03c010c

>> No.20201942

>>20201934
that would be the 理想のdjt

always nice to dream

>> No.20201950

>>20201865
https://vocaroo.com/i/s1Ey6HwmfZcm
I'm not sleepy or tired, that's just my maximum speed of reading shit out at this moment.

>> No.20201951

>>20201919
>>20201919
thanks a bunch guys
the rest says he was also doing karate
are mo karate wo naratteita

>> No.20201960

>>20201950
nice sleepy dogen impression big ups

>> No.20201971

>>20201926
Probably already has his cult that doesn't need to watch his youtube videos. He might just have a few rich fags that make up most of that money.

Parts of that video are so insane. He says you can't have a full time job and should cut out your friends and family for YEARS to learn japanese. It does sound like a cult. You don't need to abandon your friends and family for years and survive on crackers since nobody can learn Japanese with a full time job to ankidrone an hour a day and instead of spending all your free time watching/reading English things switch to Japanese.

>> No.20201993

>>20201926
Matt gets $2400 a month on patreon, not $400.

>> No.20201998

lol you hate to see this happen

>> No.20201999

>>20201960
do I sound acceptable?

>> No.20202001

Make a separate thread for YouTube discussion, OP makes any discussion ITT off topic and I wouldn't want my friends to get banned ;)

>> No.20202003

>>20201921
Know any other program that does that?

>> No.20202008

I would like to switch from watching English youtubers/streamers to Japanese ones, but finding ones I like is too hard.

>> No.20202010

>>20201999
i cringed at 悩む but otherwise sure dude great job

>> No.20202012

>>20202001
what are you smiling about

>> No.20202014

>>20201999
I would marry you. I would marry you so hard.

>> No.20202015

>>20202001
when i make the next thread im gonna make sure to add that racial slurs are against the rules so people dont say things like the n word

>> No.20202027

>>20202010
What's wrong with it?

>> No.20202037

>>20202008
I tried but have the same problem.
The popular channels aren't interesting at all.
Found a couple of vloggers but stopped watching them too after a week or so.

There's better things to watch than youtube.
It's best to spend as little time as possible there.

>> No.20202048

>>20202027
now im not trying to insult you this is just the first word i thought of but think of a word like idiot

now space the syllables of idiot apart evenly and make your pronunciation symmetrical

now say idiot normally

>> No.20202055

>>20202048
Uh I see, it was that kind of thing. When I recorded it it was the 2nd time I'd read that sentence out loud, with some practice it could sound better I guess. Thanks.

>> No.20202067

>>20202037
theres lots of great things to watch on youtube like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Pge2nb979k and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTQ_TluG_pQ

>> No.20202076

>>20202037
It's because there are better things to watch than youtube that I like using streamers for background noise, but finding good background noise is surprisingly difficult.

>> No.20202136

>>20202076
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPy63nEpgC4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuuXl-GAQRw

This kept me busy yesterday.

>> No.20202147

smash fags are sub human

>> No.20202198

>>20202147
Yes we are, and that's a good thing.

>> No.20202209

humans are disgusting
being sub human is an honor

>> No.20202268

>>20200619
>a simulation that doesn't take how exposure effects retention chance into account

Exposure would only increase your retention rate. An increase in retention rate only make the optimal Interval Modifier even larger, which would still make 150% better than the default 100%

>> No.20202276

>>20202268
exposure within anki. not immersion.

>> No.20202284

>>20202276
I didn't mention immersion but thanks for bringing it up because that would also increase your R thus increasing your optimal IM

>> No.20202288

>>20202284
you clearly interpreted exposure as exposure via immersion rather than exposure within anki, because having higher intervals means less exposure and what you said doesn't make sense taking that into account

stop being dishonest

>> No.20202296

>>20201750
How can we save Nuke from himself?

Instead of No Fap November, he needs to do No Anki November or something. I think getting involved in ****'s community has only done him harm since he's now buying into all this stupid bullshit like sentence cards that he's taking 2 hours every day to review and passive listening which is a complete meme and doesn't even help at all. He needs to find a good book or VN or something that he can just sit and read normally for a few hours every day with none of this AJATT fluff getting in the way.

Just spend a couple months doing nothing but reading and (active) listening. No Anki or any other shit. Then when he's finally detoxed from his toxic study habits he can come back and use Anki again, but sensibly this time by doing simple readings cards which take him 20 minutes or less each day.

>> No.20202299

>>20202288
>having higher intervals means less exposure
But failing a card means more exposure and I already said your failure rate will go up

>> No.20202302

I still don't get how you went from
>Anki is making me do too many cards every day
to
>Let's have Anki make me do less cards every day
instead of simply doing less cards every day because you want to and aren't going to let an algorithm rule your life.

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>>20201890
>I've been doing radical search on tangorin
well there's your problem

>> No.20202314

>>20202296
There's no saving someone who enjoys larping as a learner more than he does using the language.

>> No.20202316

>>20202299
increasing the interval modifier only increases exposure count if you see the card more times than if you didn't increase the interval modifier.................which doesn't happen and would also completely eliminate the reason why you want people to use a high interval modifier

stop digging your hole deeper

>> No.20202327

>>20202296
heres the real end of the nuke chan story https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u3KAaU7kFs#t=111

>> No.20202337

>>20202316
You see it exactly the right amount it times. Anki's default settings teach you things very well but it's over teaching and over testing you to get you a very high retention rate.

>> No.20202343

>>20202337
that doesnt have anything to do with this tangent at all

i'm not dissing the idea of increasing your interval modifier, i'm dissing your specific result and the simulator you used to come up with it

>> No.20202348

>>20202307
fucking google

>> No.20202353

>>20202343
What you're talking about is just another way to modify your R. We've simulated various ways of modifying R on a per card basis and we've simulated across all possible R's and they give the same conclusion

>> No.20202358

>>20202353
data and code or it didn't happen

oh wait, it didn't happen ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>> No.20202359

>>20202353
Bullshit. If you have 50% retention there's no way in fucking hell you're going to want to set your interval modifier to 150%.

>> No.20202369

>>20202353
Setting your review limit to a reasonable number instead of 9999 is a superior way to have Anki show you less cards per day.

>> No.20202374

>>20202369
congrats you managed to say something stupider than a compulsive liar

if you have too many reviews then add less cards / only add important cards that will become easy instead of drowning yourself in leeches

>> No.20202376

>>20202358
I'm more excited about you writing your own to cross validate. You'd be the fourth person to independently write one and come to a conclusion we cross validate with.

>>20202359
True... Anki's default settings are designed to give you a 90% R though so you'd have to be quite a retard for that to happen

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>> No.20202381

ladies and gentlemen

flashtards

>> No.20202382

>>20202376
>I'm more excited about you writing your own to cross validate. You'd be the fourth person to independently write one and come to a conclusion we cross validate with.
in retrospect i don't know why i bothered trying to argue with an obvious troll
either that or you're delusional as fucking hell

>> No.20202384

>>20202374
I have auto-suspend set to on for leeches. Works perfectly, as expected of the default setting.

>> No.20202385

>>20202136
are these niggas 5? wtf

>> No.20202387

>>20202384
good choice man its almost like you're using anki how its meant to be used

>> No.20202397

>>20202384
Yea I figure if a card gets leech suspended I'll just learn it in contect while reading. Only ever happened with 3 words anyways.

>> No.20202399

Does anyone use either a text hooker or OCR program that isn't listed in the OP? I have very bad luck and can't get anything to work really. The only thing that works for me is KanjiTomo but it crashes after 1-2 searches. It means every 1-2 kanji I don't know, I have to kill it with Task Manager, wait for it to close, reopen it again and repeat. It's really slow and I don't want to limit myself to media that only has Furigana.

>> No.20202412

>>20202399
What OS are you on?

>> No.20202420

>>20202412
Windows 10. I tried Chiitrans as a VN hooker but it wouldn't work as it said my locale wasn't set to Japanese even though it was.

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>>20202369
>Setting your review limit to a reasonable number instead of 9999 is a superior way to have Anki show you less cards per day.
Is this your first day using anki?

>> No.20202436

>>20202385
First day the tournament was for kids only, the other was for adults.

>> No.20202439

>>20202399
tomo works fine for me

>> No.20202442

>>20202436
I clicked on the kid video at first

>> No.20202443

>>20200619
noob here but what's this mean? i have the default settings, are those the best cuz this?

>> No.20202444

>>20202420
On Windows, sometimes simply changing the locale isn't enough and you have to change the time and date format to Japanese as well.

Been about 4 years since I used Windows, so I can't remember exactly how its done, but it shouldn't be hard to figure out if you dig around the language settings in the control panel.

The fact that KanjiTomo works better for me on Linux via Wine than it does natively for you on Windows suggests there is something very wrong on your end, I think. I occasionally get crashes with KanjiTomo, but the only part of the program which consistently doesn't work for me is the Zoom Frame feature.

>> No.20202454

>>20202381
Why'd this shit make me laugh

>> No.20202458

>>20202454
because im not funny and you didnt laugh

>> No.20202462

>>20202458
しね

>> No.20202466

>>20202462
you しね

>> No.20202470

>>20202443
It means you can spend more time on cards and get higher retention rates. There's no constant variable for time or the ammount of focus the person is doing so trying to balance things around arbitrary numbers is silly. Default setting do suck though but there is no perfect setup for everybody.

>> No.20202471

>>20202466
Go study Anki cards or something flashtard

>> No.20202475

>>20202471
youre the flash tard

>> No.20202485

is the load balancer add-on good or bad

>> No.20202487

>>20202470
>Default setting do suck though but there is no perfect setup for everybody

why do they suck? i'm not everybody is there a way to find best settings for just me?

>> No.20202501

the perfect setup is to throw your idiot cards in the garbage and watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaswzK4FM7U

>> No.20202509

>>20202501
my computer only has a recycling bin, no garbage

>> No.20202513

>>20202509
recycling ftw

>> No.20202548

>>20202487
Play with them. It depends how you use anki too. If you like to flip through quickly you'll want different setup than somebody who takes a min per card. You have to experiment, from deck to deck too.

>> No.20202554

post epic japanese memes now!

>> No.20202559
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>>20202554

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>> No.20202562

>>20202548
>If you like to flip through quickly you'll want different setup than somebody who takes a min per card. You have to experiment, from deck to deck too.

what should i adjust if im one of these?

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Day 2

>> No.20202570

>>20202566
>caring about statistics
Stop that

>> No.20202579

>>20202501
Joke's on you, this looks fun and I'm gonna download it now. Thanks.

>> No.20202581

>>20202566
>still using 2.0
Stop that

>> No.20202589

>>20202579
haha dang jokes on me someones gonna watch a sick shojo anime now and enjoy it

>> No.20202590

>>20202566
well done, but how much have you read?

>> No.20202592

>>20202590
6~ hours per day for the past 3 days. 1512 cards mined so far.

>> No.20202596

>>20202589
I'm not quite at the level of watching without subtitles so I'm downloading the manga. 30 volumes with Furigana sounds great for me.

>> No.20202602

jokes on you reading shojo manga is more ftw than watching anime

>> No.20202614

>>20202602
Manga isn't reading

>> No.20202615

>>20202602
but is it more ftw than watching 90s anime adaptations of 80s~90s shoujo manga

>> No.20202622

shoujo is good but you should move on to otome games asap

>> No.20202624

>>20202615
anime is still good but laying on your belly on your bed reading shojo manga is 最大win

>> No.20202632

>>20202624
watching anime in bed on your tablet is almost as comfy maybe moreso cause you don't have to turn page

>> No.20202635

>>20202632
no you dont understand reading shojo manga on your bed is about as win as twisting and twirling the curly telephone cord while you talk to your crush

>> No.20202641

btw i just realized you said tablet and fuckin almost got aids >_<

i guess its still better than no manga but you need some manga

>> No.20202730

>>20200160
Done. Will report back to this thread to see if things are better or worse (another anon said things got better so we'll see)

>> No.20202792 [DELETED] 

Why do the mods allow these subhumans to shit up the threads?

>> No.20202798

>>20202622
Why are Otome games so hard to find online? I wanted to try reading one out of curiosity a while back but for most titles torrents either didn't exist or were completely dead.

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How can these guys be so opinionated but respectful towards each other? If this was an American IGN corner they'd be tearing each other a new asshole for everything they don't agree with

>> No.20202806

>>20202614
>Manga isn't reading.

Matthew, you only think that because you've been using it as wallpaper. You're supposed to read it.

>> No.20202815

>>20200912
I kinda believe him. Japanese is so fucking foreign that it's pretty hard to pick things up by just watching RAWs. You will be way faster if you start building vocabulary and probably basic grammar, while constantly watching RAWs. Even better would be if you speak it too. But outside of an actual foreign exchange or something this is pretty hard. Speaking on Skype is not the same, as having to get by in a country.

>> No.20202829

Coming straight outta 貧民街 boiii

>> No.20202844

>>20202802
I hate to break it to you but literally nobody cares about this shit website except you.

>> No.20202848

>>20202829
write us a good 和人 rap

>> No.20202858

>>20202802
dont worry dude youre fighting the good fight alongside me in the face of those who cant learn japanese and want to prevent others from doing so like >>20202844

>> No.20202862

>>20202858
>shilling for ign without even receiving a pay cheque
you've sunk to new lows, jamal

>> No.20202864

>>20202848
はい、わたし、テリヤキ・ボーイズ
あっという間吹き飛ばす、ノイズ

>> No.20202868

>>20202862
i mean not only is the dude posting japanese content but hes even giving you a concept to examine i really dont see the issue and think it would make for a decent discussion for those that could engage on the subject

also come on how do you shill for a website thats been around forever really????

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Has anybody read the story of the 11 kumas and the black bear?

>> No.20202919

>>20202904
I'm older than 3 so no
like are you hoping for someone to praise you for buying a book for babies?
cringe

>> No.20202921

>>20202904
The lack of kanji makes my eyes hurt.

>> No.20202926

lol at those 2 replies jolly good

>> No.20202932

>>20202921
仮名だけストーリーを読めなきゃ日本語はわからない

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20202933

watching anime doesn't only teach you japanese but also maths now

>> No.20202936

>>20202933
*pushes up glasses* you should be able to solve this

>> No.20202942

>>20202933
I'm a math grad student and I can't do this

>> No.20202954

>>20200993
Why?

>>20201118
Good for you, manga isn't reading though.

>> No.20202955

>>20202936
x = x - 2
therefore x = -∞

>> No.20202957

imagine literally ctrl fing manga in these threads to make some retarded stale post at them

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>>20202955
my third eye has truly been opened

>> No.20202962

>>20202957
ok but manga aint reading

>> No.20202963

tell that to that one guy whos literally reading shojo manga right now in his cute lil jammie jams

>> No.20202967

>>20201118
次、アニメを観るよ
料理が好きであれば「幸福グラフィティ」ってアニメはが好きなのでしょう

>> No.20202968

あのアニメはエイズ

>> No.20202974 [DELETED] 

I'm watching Evangelion, 2nd half of the season seems weaker

>> No.20202977

>>20202974
it gets even weaker

>> No.20202978

>>20202974
yea it gets pretty convoluted and trite in the back half and then basically goes full retard

>> No.20202982

and then theres eoe an epic movie

>> No.20202984

>>20202974
>>>/a/

>> No.20202986

sword art online: ordinal scale

>> No.20202987

>>20202984
I'm sharing my immersion content with my friends in this /djt/ thread

>> No.20202988

>>20202986
sword art online gets a lot of flak but compared to a lot of the shit on narou it really is a masterpiece

>> No.20202992

the worst .hack is better than the best sao

>> No.20203002

>>20202967
>はが

>> No.20203005

>>20203002
thx for calling him out

>> No.20203009

>>20203002
cant get it wrong if you use both right >: )

>> No.20203010

>>20202986
sword art online is a garbage show

tries way to hard to be edgy and the result is that the villains are all comically evil cartoon characters with zero depth who are impossible to take seriously

>> No.20203013

>>20203010
thats all cool and good what really grinds my gears is the weird hentai tendencies toward asuna chan like leave that girl alone writer dickhead

>> No.20203015

>>20201433
That's not how the quote function works, newfriend.

>> No.20203016

>>20203010
gourenne laganne, 不sehr gut

>> No.20203032

>>20203010
that narou novel about the healer that was linked a couple threads ago had the protagonist get drugged and forced to fuck dudes just to justify taking revenge on a cartoonishly evil girl by raping her and wiping her memories. I don't remember anything in SAO that even compares to that

It's like winning the special olympics but SAO really is good in comparison

>> No.20203038

Is learning to speak in Japanese harder than it is to to learn to speak english?

>> No.20203039

i mean compared to eating buffalo diarrhea sao is really good

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i feel like im bad at writing does it look like im doing something wrong

>> No.20203041

>>20203013
>what really grinds my gears is the weird hentai tendencies toward asuna chan like leave that girl alone writer dickhead
that's part of what i'm talking about

the whole plot with that creep from half way into the season makes zero sense. "hey dude, can i marry your comatose daughter?" "sure, i don't see why not. i mean there's probably laws against that, ya'know, 'consent' and the fact that she's not even a legal adult and all that, but whatever, go ahead." "thanks, i'm now going to proceed to lick and fondle her unconscious body in the presence of other people because... uh... i'm the bad guy and i guess that's what bad guys do"

how the fuck this got so popular is beyond me. the author is a complete hack. nothing that happens in the show makes any god damn sense.

>> No.20203046

>>20203041
>half way into the first* season

>> No.20203049

>>20203040
nice reddit repost

>> No.20203050

>>20203041
pretty much agreed but lol mmotards

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>>20203040
x)

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>>20203055
this guy's got style not gonna lie

>> No.20203064

>>20203055
:(
im not good at this

>> No.20203072

>>20203064
it never even crossed my mind that you could turn さ into x) but you fuckin did it

>> No.20203077

>>20203040
look up some actual handwriting instead of doing this stupid inefficient grid shit, this will give you pointers
For instance pretty much no one writes そ like this, it's more often than not written with 2 strokes

>> No.20203079

>>20203038
it is not, because it is read as it is written
I can speak English as a foreign language and it still seems so alien to me at times, yet I could read Japanese comprehensibly since day 1

>> No.20203083

>>20202974
hmm It's different I wouldn't say weaker except for the last 2

>> No.20203090

Guys, what should I do as far as my nihongo study go, I've already learned kana, went through RTK1n3, read through Tae Kim's and gathered some basic vocab.
Just watch anime, read NHK news and add new words from NHK to Anki? Is that it?

>> No.20203091

>>20203079
>read as it is written
not for an english man it isn't.
+ I specifically wanted to know about just talking and listening

>> No.20203093

>>20203079
yeah just look at 慮る like you see the 慮 and you instantly know おもんぱか while in english it's like seeing "the" and you be like teh? zee? she? it's really hard

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Why's there a word for this?

>> No.20203095

>>20203090
Read compelling content like visual novels. Forget MemeHK News.

>> No.20203096

>>20203077
im not sure what you mean

>> No.20203099

>>20203095
maybe hes a political junkie and its compelling content to him

>> No.20203100

How do I find good manga? One piece and yotsuba are boring the hell out of me..

>> No.20203101

>>20203094
there's more where that came from
https://jisho.org/search/%22moving%20to%22

>> No.20203103

>>20203101
That's bizarre.

>> No.20203106

>>20203100
read/watch whatever made you want to learn Japanese in the first place, if you can't answer this question stop learning japanese

>> No.20203111

>>20203093
In latin alphabet the closest letters you will get are v/w and m/n
Now look at japanese man and tell me which one is harder

>> No.20203112

>>20203100
hunter x hunter

>> No.20203113

>>20203100
read かくかくしかじか dogg

>> No.20203122

>>20203100
just read this
https://exhentai.org/s/b43f8fdedb/1108211-168
it's about english girl

>> No.20203123

>>20203122
looks to me like its about an unhappy panda

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Rate his Japanese, DJTards.

>> No.20203167

>>20203164
i just started learning a week ago but he's pretty fucking terrible

>> No.20203179

>>20203164
>僕様
Typical weeb who knows nothing

>> No.20203180

>>20203164
cringe

>> No.20203191

>>20203164
if he was really good he wouldn't have hired a localization company to make the game japanese

>> No.20203194

So many kanji
So many readings
So few sounds

>> No.20203207

>>20203164
do japanese people really talk like this ???

>> No.20203211

>>20203167
>i just started learning a week ago

surely you must have some kind of background knowledge of japanese if you could read his message

i've only just gotten around to memorize most hiragana sounds and writing

but then again, i only have time to study for like 1-2 hours a day so i guess thats okay

>> No.20203215

>>20203211
i couldn't read any of his message. i just have an instinct about it

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>>20203096
This is what I mean.

>> No.20203219

>>20203211
also started a week ago btw*

>> No.20203220

>>20203211
you should have finished memorizing hiragana six days ago

>> No.20203228

>>20203216
wonder how it feels to have your love letter upped to the internet
I bet this comes from leddit

>> No.20203230

>>20203216
i always wonder how that woulda played out if i didnt insta shit on it the first time it was posted

would djt have noticed

would that have become like one of the dead sea scrolls to djt

>> No.20203236

>>20203216
>get love letter
>can't read it
so much troll

>> No.20203237

i can see on the beta timeline some kinda pseudo djt where i use caps and punctuation everyone knows japanese and yet somehow everyone worships that letter

>> No.20203246

>>20203236
what a blast from the past.

>> No.20203249

>>20203216
How do I learn to write retarded handwriting like this.

>> No.20203250

>>20203220
im not autistic though

>> No.20203251

>>20203216
do japs really talk like this??

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>>20203215
>i couldn't read any of his message. i just have an instinct about it
>already claiming someone's Japanese is terrible
djt in a nutshell

>> No.20203255

>>20203251
no they talk like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKdBX_cqtAs

>> No.20203260

>>20203252
you ever think that guy just knows japanese and is just joking around because its fun ftw>

>> No.20203263

i meant the guy u were quoting not the guy in the pic btw

>> No.20203272

>>20203252
This anon aquired words 4 times as fast as ma tt did. He's low key jealous as fuck. He'd shit all over any of his "students".

>> No.20203312

the average djter would shit all over any of his blind sheeps even this guy >>20203215

>> No.20203314

>>20203260
>>20203263
i'm not joking. i know 0 japanese

>> No.20203318

>>20203314
prove it

>> No.20203321

how do I optimize anki to not be based around doing reps every fucking day

>> No.20203328

>>20203321
jettison it into the nearest recycling bin mate

>> No.20203330

>>20203272
>ankidrones defending each other
sad, maybe if you spent time learning Japanese instead of getting triggered at Matt you'd know it by now

>> No.20203339

>>20203321
Set your maximum reviews per day to 0

>> No.20203340

>>20203095
Visual novels are fucking trash, kill yourself.

>> No.20203344

>>20203318
https://vocaroo.com/i/s1Lh8phI3Y5s
>>20203216

>> No.20203346

>>20203330
How is having a rich vocabulary going to hurt you? You just listen to content and practice coversations afterwards and you're fluent in record time. It's just efficient.

>> No.20203350

>>20202984
This is an /a/ thread.

>> No.20203355

>>20203344
this guy definitely knows japanese dont be fooled

>> No.20203506

Aside from the grammar dictionaries, anyone got any book recommendations?

>> No.20203520

>>20203506
Naruto

>> No.20203524

>20198077
What would be the japanese equivalent of romea and juliet then?

>> No.20203528

>>20203524
Meant to
>>20198077

>> No.20203542

>>20203520
I meant books for studying. Not reading material.

>> No.20203556

>>20203542
Ah, I see. Youjo Senki then

>> No.20203558

>>20203542
Imabi

>> No.20203566

>>20203542
swedish lumber

>> No.20203612

>>20203528
im pretty sure that would just be romeo and juliet

>> No.20203630

>duude adults should learn languages like children it's not like native speakers have to study grammar for years through compulsory education or anything
anti grammar faggots are cancer

>> No.20203633

>>20203630
name one anti grammar eceleb that is posted on djt

>> No.20203636

you dont need to study grammar to intuitively understand it at work

>> No.20203638

>>20203630
If you didn't grasp grammar through exposure and actually learned anything from school you're probably pretty low IQ. FYI Japanese is proven to be impossible to learn for sub-110 IQ peeps

>> No.20203645

>>20203638
what if your verbal iq is 107 but your overall iq is 117

>> No.20203649

>>20203645
you might be able to learn to read but your speaking will remain matt-tier for life

>> No.20203664

I've never studied English grammar nor attended school, yet I understand English grammar perfectly. I hope to eventually get this good at Japanese purely through exposure.

>> No.20203666

>>20203216
writing そ with two strokes is very homosexual don't write like a girl unless you're one

>> No.20203668

if you get the right kind of exposure you will

for those who dont theres always 10000 hours of anime with english subs

>> No.20203720

I there a Japanese grammar quick rundown on youtube or anyplace you guys can recommend? I will go through Tae Kim eventually, but I'd like to have a quick introduction which gives me the basics as fast as possible, info dump style. No long introductions or ramblings allowed.

>> No.20203728

vjg

>> No.20203736

I've read 120k lines and still a lot of lines only vaguely make sense no matter how much I examine them.

>> No.20203745

what are you gonna do about it ?

>> No.20203750

>>20203720
>quick rundown
Yea there are hundreds. Keep in mind that the Dictionary of Japanese Grammar set of books is over 2,000 pages. You can figure most things out without that much in depth understanding but it is going to take a while to master grammar.

>> No.20203751

>>20203668
its even better if you can put on japanese subs aswell, but thats rare

>> No.20203752

>>20203751
you can do jp subs later

>> No.20203754

>>20203751
Animelon has hundreds of shows with jsubs and built in dictionary.

>> No.20203757

>>20203556
tbqh, if you can read youjo senki natively, you are pretty good at japanese

that shit got some long sentences with strong words

>> No.20203760

>>20203745
I just want to know if it's normal.

>> No.20203767

>>20203760
around these parts yes but its not how it should be

>> No.20203768

>>20203752
i meant english and japanese subs at the same time so you can compare

>>20203754
that shit is lit, how can i have missed that

>> No.20203770

>>20203720
quick rundowns are shit this isnt a test youre cramming for

>> No.20203774

>>20203720
https://boirodaisuki.neocities.org/

>> No.20203775

I wonder why english subbing groups never put japanese subs in

>> No.20203778

>>20203768
that defeats the purpose of watching

you want english subs so you can stay in the loop and have things be comprehensible not to decipher word for word and you want to be in the zone with the anime enjoying the ever living fuck out of it because anime owns

>> No.20203779

>>20203775
they don't know japanese

>> No.20203793

>>20203760
I've read a similar number and experience the same thing so probably. If it's still a problem at the 2000 hour mark then I'll worry about it

>> No.20203795

>>20203774
is there a voiceroid tutorial somewhere. can I make a voiceroid read my anki cards

>> No.20203798

>>20201407
optimal reading practice is not supported by audio
optimal listening practice is not supported by text
it is not useless to mix the two, but if you're not a complete beginner you probably want to avoid it

>> No.20203804

Remember the more you fail the better you're getting. Make things hard. If you make things too easy you'll take 100 years like nook.

>> No.20203805

im gonna make a flashcard deck with vocaloid sounds but for every card hatune miku is going to say "fagot"

and every card is also going to read "fagot"

>> No.20203809

>>20203795
Not recommended, it would be very time consuming and they can screw up pitch accent pretty badly (if you watch a lot of ボイロ実況 you start to realize that some creators are good at fixing accent patterns and some aren't).

>> No.20203816

>>20203804
Make things too hard and you'll end up like geyline guy.

>> No.20203823

I am working in duolingo today. I also use Memrise, tiny cards, and have some books. That said, I know hiragana, but I don’t know why ちゆう(中) is pronounced na-ka. To confuse me more, ちゅうごく (中国) is pronounced how I would expect (chi+yu=chu+u go ku).

Thanks for any understanding to this.

>> No.20203824

>>20203809
that's disappointing but you just saved me some googling, thanks

>> No.20203830

guys who can make natural sounding kansaiben are gods

>> No.20203850

>>20203823
keep reading.
I remember using doulingo at the start too and was dumbfounded when I came across the exact same thing

I even asked djt the same thing and got reply telling me to look up kun and on yomi
Basically a kanji has many possible readings.

>> No.20203855

おはようおにいちゃん

おなかいたい

>> No.20203857

>>20203823
youll get used to it someday

>> No.20203884

>>20203750
I understand, it's just that I want something to get me started. What I forgot to mention I can't read any Japanese so far, but my vocabulary is getting somewhere. So I though a introduction on youtube would be perfect, where somebody explains stuff with me. Obviously I can't read it myself.

>>20203774
Thanks but like I said, I need something with audio to be able to understand.

>> No.20203886

mia content/news has been sparse lately. makes me antsy.

>> No.20203889

how am i supposed to read if matt doesnt remind me to do so every week

>> No.20203896

>>20203830
same

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>>20203884

>> No.20203908

>>20203884
btw. I think japanesepod101.com videos are just clickbait. Namasensei has some good stuff, but it's too fractured and he is rambling to much. I would like to have something more on point, no words and no time wasted.

>> No.20203929

>>20203897
You forgot the link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSvH9vH60Ig

>> No.20203930

>>20203908
Jappod is only good for kana imo

>> No.20203932

>>20203908
>Namasensei
He lived in Japan for seven years and only knows 400 kanji. Why does anybody take that clown seriously?

>> No.20203954

>>20203855
そんなの気にしちゃいねぇよ

トイレ掃除はお前の仕事だろ

じゃッ頼むわ

>> No.20203956

>>20203929
This seems pretty interesting, but good god that horrible voice. Why would anybody take all the time to make this only to turn off people completely with that voice. I'm not sure if I can even finish this one video, but I will try. It's literally the best I have seen so far.

>>20203932
He is a reasonably cool guy and can make learning Japanese interesting. I'm not sure how good his Japanese is after all, but I guess as far as his lessons go, it's good enough. I'm not sure why some of you guys are so anal about kanji. If 400 is enough to get by in that country, we even attempt to learn more?

>> No.20203960

why attempt to learn when you can just learn without trying

>> No.20203976

>>20203630
>it's not like native speakers have to study grammar for years through compulsory education
do you even have a native language or are you just pretending

>> No.20203978

>>20203956
try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0QjbYbhYEU&list=PLId-mP2ZkaEAiLo95aj2-yng41BnhWvE9

>> No.20203985

>>20203978
you still want the self tests and materials on the site

do your school work like a good school boy no corner cutting

>> No.20203996

>>20203978
Thanks, way better voice, but horrible explanations in comparison. I guess I have to suffer trough the animated girl series. It will hurt my ears badly and probably even cause some PTSD, but at least I learn something from it.

>> No.20204001

>>20203996
please chill with your criticism, you're hurting james' feelings

>> No.20204002

>>20203996
lol a kid on 4chan casually calls explanations by a bilingual linguist worse than some random youtuber

omigoto lol

>> No.20204006

>>20204001
actually you get the omigoto lol truly good job

>> No.20204009

>by a bilingual linguist
i will never understand redditors who think linguistics is important or relevant, much less helpful to language learners.

>> No.20204015

>>20204009
she knows what shes talking about and can communicate it to you

once again the trolls who dont want people to learn japanese are coming out the wood work but you have nothing to say about the material specifically at all because youre trash lol

>> No.20204019

>>20204002
isnt being bilingual the bare minimum necessary to teach a language, how is that even worthy of note

>> No.20204023

I don't know Japanese and i still give advice to every retard who listens lol been doing this for 17 years that DJT has existed

>> No.20204025

>>20204019
i guess you could go learn from all the other great bilinguals posted in these threads

>> No.20204026

do japanese bars have pool tables? do japanese people play pool at all?

>> No.20204031

the view count is evidence enough nobody takes his tutorials seriously

>> No.20204035

>>20204026
heres how to play pool in japan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGX7kfoptaM#t=76

>> No.20204052

>>20204035
how do you play golf in japan? also do you have those machines you punch and they give you your power level?

>> No.20204055

>>20204052
i think you play golf exactly the same way as pool and yes u can find those machines everywhere

>> No.20204056

>>20204015
>you have nothing to say about the material specifically
The explanations are disjointed and terse, like narrated powerpoint slides. It's not hard to see why someone might want something that flows better.

>> No.20204066

>>20204056
uhh they are narrated power point slides or whatever there was before before power point lol also all the information is good and coherent to in short https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL8e2ujXe8g

>> No.20204070

also the illustrations are really cool and nice and yall should appreciate them

way better than doll fuckers fag trains with imaginary particles

>> No.20204078

>>20204001
Sorry I don't know the guy who made that video and it's not my intention to be mean. But it's no surprise to me, that it's from a linguist. I's just overcomplicated and uses words I have never even heard before. I have no idea what a copula is and frankly I don't care. He then goes on about topic and subject markers without any further explanation. Somebody who never heard of this before, will have absolutely no clue what's going on and somebody who knows already doesn't want to watch that video.

Also the sentences (especially the name) are unnecessarily complicated and there is way too much kanji for a beginner grammar lesson.

>> No.20204081

>>20204078
i guess your only option is to learn japanese and come back to show us how much better off you were good luck

>> No.20204087

>>20204078
yet another reason linguists are worthless.

>> No.20204094

┐(‘~` )┌ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u3KAaU7kFs#t=111

>> No.20204117

>Also the sentences (especially the name)
he's obviously from some japanese myth, why don't you appreciate a little cultural reference in your baby's first Japanese sentence lesson. way better than referencing Alice in Wonderland all the time, that shit isn't even Japanese

>> No.20204121

>>20204078
no no our resident shitposter is animated girl's #1 fan is all i'm saying
i think your complaints about vjg are valid, i like learning useless terminology personally but i still think it's a distraction from japanese

>> No.20204132

anyone have recommendations for BL juujin manga?

>> No.20204144

>>20204117
alice in wonderland is japanese by proxy on account of actually having a very good translation that almost feels as though it was written in japanese in the first place

i'm impressed to the point of wanting to kms for being unable to ever come close to its perfection whenever i see the japanese version of Jabberwocky

>> No.20204147

>>20204121
Oh I guess I confused something there. Yeah animated girl seems pretty legit. But I don't understand why they used that voice. It's clearly not natural. I'm pretty positive that the person (male?) who made those videos has a better voice irl. It kinda sounds like those text to speech voices before they got good.

>> No.20204148

>>20204132
thanks i guess for teaching me a new word

>> No.20204157

>>20204147
yeah i'd avoided them for a while because of the voice but they seem to be good

>> No.20204161

>>20204132
is that how that's usually said? I've been using kemonobito. going to have to relearn it now

>> No.20204166

>>20204161
answer my question first

>> No.20204170

>>20204161
protip: if a word has both fully on'yomi and fully kun'yomi readings, they almost certainly mean slightly different things, or one is used when reading in your head and the other is used when speaking in conversation

>> No.20204177

>>20204166
I have no fucking idea where to find BL manga. I only know the word because it's commonly used in isekai shit.

>> No.20204180

>>20204161
>>20204170
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%8D%A3%E4%BA%BA#%E8%84%9A%E6%B3%A8

>> No.20204201

What anime is wroth watching this season?

>> No.20204258

>>20204170
>or one is used when reading in your head and the other is used when speaking in conversation
fucking what

>> No.20204262

>>20204201
gridman

>> No.20204266

>>20204201
>slime
>maid
>goblin slayer
>raildex
>sword art

in no particular order and there are a few more, that currently slipped my mind.

>> No.20204335

when will curedolly learn how to say あ

>> No.20204338

>>20204258
that's a thing sometimes yeah

>> No.20204341

>>20204258
idk exactly what he's talking about but sometimes you need to clarify like 化学 vs 科学

>> No.20204343

>>20204341
yeah this is basically it, the on'yomi reading is the right way to read it in your head when reading but people default to using kun'yom readings in normal conversations if it's a bad homophone

>> No.20204357

>>20204343
makes sense, thanks

>> No.20204368

>>20204341
those also have different pitches

>> No.20204371

>>20204368
my dictionary lists both as high on か

>> No.20204378

>>20204371
hmm 科学 sounded flat to me

>> No.20204381

>>20204378
or flatter* but I think it was just the guy saying it

>> No.20204387

>>20204371
btw what dictionary are you using? I need to get one with pitch accent

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>>20204387
I'm using the nhk pitch accent dictionary, daijirin also has pitch notation

>> No.20204398

I have heard that kanji is needed and absolutely cannot be abandoned, because japanese has many homonyms and kana is hard to read without spaces.

So the first question is quite obvious. Why the fuck don't the invent spaces? Is it really that hard to simply split words by a space. If this is too hard for them, why not invent a new symbol as delimiter? This reason is laughable.

Second question would be, if the language has so many homonyms, how can they even communicate at all with each other? Spoken language is the real language and if this thesis is true, they shouldn't be able to communicate. And it's absolute bullshit that nips write kanji on their hand to clarify things. This certainly isn't common and this wouldn't explain how the talk on the phone with each other and stuff.

Why can't they be honest and just tell the truth already. There is no reason to use kanji, except for tradition. If they would just getting literate at this day and age, especially with computers and shit. They would certainly use a phonetic alphabet. I'm not saying, that symbol based writing doesn't have its benefits, but overall it's certainly not worth it.

>> No.20204438

I might regret ignoring pitch accents someday but fuck if it doesn't make learning much easier

>> No.20204439

kanji is easy and fast to read

>> No.20204444

kanji makes Japanese easier to learn and more comprehensible even if you don't study it in isolation or even intentionally at all

>> No.20204483
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>>20204398
>because japanese has many homonyms and kana is hard to read without spaces
These are bullshit reasons made up by weebs trying to defend their precious nihongo. The real reason kanji won't ever be abandoned is because almost all existing Japanese uses kanji, including the Japanese presently being written everywhere by all the Japanese people currently alive, and no one's going to rewrite everything to a kana or romaji at this point. What's more is I'm willing to bet that no one who actually knows kanji thinks it's big enough a deal to start taking pages out of Korea's book after all this time. Lots of kanji have intuitive readings and consistent meanings, which makes them quite helpful for reading quickly. There's all the force in the world keeping them alive and nothing holding them down.

It's not that they absolutely cannot be abandoned, it's just that they absolutely *will* not be abandoned.

Also some Japanese actually does have spaces and kana only, but it's just a stylistic thing or to help little kids read it. So you're right, you can totally read Japanese without kanji, it's just that no one who has any say over it thinks this is a big deal, and Kanji are not only convenient but also a part of the culture (as you say, tradition).

>Spoken language is the real language
You still say this in 2018, where I'm assuming a significant amount of your social interaction happens on websites like this, in text only?

>> No.20204508

the spoken language IS the true language but orthographies are utilitarian and kanji are deeply useful and have direct effects on the spoken language

>> No.20204509

honestly the real problem with japanese is that kana exist

>> No.20204521

kana are just extremely cursive or contracted kanji

>> No.20204526

>>20204439
this is only valid if one recognizes all the kanji presented to them. I think it's reasonable that most of the population recognize the ~2200 kanji recommended by the state. But what if somebody dares to use additional ones, to show of how smart they are. This will slow reading speed down and increases problems with reading comprehension exponentially. I have never seen studies on this, but I imagine it's quite bad, especially with the cell phone generation.

I can't really wrap my head around this. I think the problem would be way less problematic, if they would really limit themselves to these ~2200 kanji, but there exist around 50k of them that might or might not get used at any time everywhere. How can a country function like this. It must be daily life that they write each other emails that they don't understand half of it, but are too embarrassed to ask about it. Just imagine how some smart ass boss is sitting there with a grin on his face as he is using some obscure kanji to fuck with you.

>>20204483
fair enough, it's what I suspect as well. I guess things will change when every pretty much everything is digitalized anyways and it will be easy to just auto generate kana out of kanji. They will have to swallow their pride, but I guess it will happen in the next 100 years.

You make a good point about interactions in text form on the internet and on cell phones. However this phase will probably not last for very long. Typing will pretty soon be a thing of the past as we improve and invent new input methods.

>> No.20204528

>>20204508
"True langauge" is just fucking stupid mate. College linguistics 101 dogma.
Spoken and written languages might be different, but they're both languages and neither is more "true" than the other. They're also very tightly intertwined, to where the written language affects how people use the spoken one and vice versa.
In the year 2018 the written one might as well be the "true" one, what with people saying shit like カッコワラ out loud.

>> No.20204529

I can't believe I did RTK for 3 months and delayed reading during that time.

>> No.20204543

>>20204526
its really not a big deal if you cant read a stray kanji as a japanese person because even if you cant read the kanji being a japanese person you can read the authors mind and get the job done just as well

>>20204529
more like rtgay

>> No.20204545

>>20204526
>just auto generate kana out of kanji
Don't hold out your hopes. It takes dipping your toes in Japanese to understand just how futile this would be.

Maybe with neural network magic but I imagine the error rate would still be significant.

>> No.20204546

>>20204543
3 months is a lot of time if you're investing hours daily into reading. I could already be past the point of no return where everything is slightly comprehensible and enjoyable if I had not done RTK.

>> No.20204549

>>20204526
>around 50k of them that might or might not get used at any time everywhere
with drastically different probabilities
you're making some huge assumptions about the difficulty of the daily lives of the japanese, and you seem to forget that they use dictionaries too, have you never used a dictionary for your native language?

>> No.20204552

>>20204546
so why didnt you listen to the boys and me

>> No.20204554

>>20204552
I fell for the Matt guru meme dude. I'm sorry.

>> No.20204559
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20204559

>>20204554
i thought you were still supposed to be watching cartoons, why did you betray the cartoons?

>> No.20204563

he turned his back on anime fooled into believing there was higher glory waiting for him by false idols

>> No.20204571

>>20204549
An average American knows about 40k words an educated one even 80k. But even if it it would be only 10k or even 5k, there are only 2k non obscure kanji. So either they already use a shit ton of kana, or they have an incredibly hard time reading a text. This makes no sense at all to me.

>> No.20204578

the average is american is also gay so wots your point mate

>> No.20204586

>>20204571
many obscure kanji are only used in one or two words, the more common ones show up in many

>> No.20204589

>>20204571
There are over 3k "non obscure" kanji, and there's no one word per kanji rule.

>> No.20204594

>>20204571
maybe if you stopped larping and actually studied some japanese you would get it

>> No.20204602

>>20203805
ふぁごっと

>> No.20204608

you can do 10k core in 3 months and be an instant nihongo god

>> No.20204617

>>20204608
how many reviews do I need to do each day. I how long a day will this take? I'm currently doing 20 cards a day and it feels horribly slow and I would have way more time. I'm just a little afraid, that more will hurt me in the long run.

>> No.20204619

>>20204608
french scrabble dictionary innit

>> No.20204622

I'm 11 months in and last month i read the first VN that i actually enjoyed and it didn't feel like I was learning and not having fun. I did RTK which boosts kanji recognition and reduces kanji anxiety to 0 and after I did full core 10k which boosts your passive vocab and intuitive understanding of grammar like crazy(as in i've never seen a grammar that would stumble me even for a moment after that)! So nowadays I can read VN's for 5+ hours cause it's finally fun and I read faster than they pronounce the lines! Usually at the end still end up with 50-60 new words to add to anki but thats expected(but usually most of those words and just kana and on jisho it says "usually written in kana alone" cause they are super rare so kanji isnt an issue there)! And some words you see for the first time, like, say 極熱 and you're like "how do i read this, ごくねつ or きょくねつ, i should check jisho, but do I really care? whatever, I understand what it means, skip"! TLDR: you can do it in a year for sure, probably you can do it a lot faster if you know what you are doing, for example I found rtk 3 months in and i wish i knew about it day 1 !

>> No.20204624

>>20204617
7+ hours per day at about 105 words per day. It's only possible for the hardest of hardcore.

>> No.20204626

>>20204622
potato why do you type so many run on sentences and throw in random exclamation marks

>> No.20204637

>>20204622
This is a reddit repost.

>> No.20204641

>>20204622
pretty bad ass for only 11 months

>> No.20204642

>>20204622
mosikasite reddito

>> No.20204694

おなかすいた

おそばたべたい

>> No.20204697

>>20204622
when is matt going to post this on twitter

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>>20204622
>reduces kanji anxiety to 0
What do I press to open the stat spreadsheet that shows my kanji anxiety and pitch accent batting average?

>> No.20204761

>>20204622
>as in i've never seen a grammar that would stumble me even for a moment after that

why do people lie

>> No.20204773

>>20204761
that's not a lie, they said they've never seen one and they haven't

>> No.20204800

>daijirin and daijisen have different readings
which do I believe broes?

>> No.20204815

>>20204800
おそばと

うどんくらいの

ちがいはあるとおもう

>> No.20204894

>>20204800
they're practically the same dictionary, you fucked something up

>> No.20204968

>>20204398
>So the first question is quite obvious. Why the fuck don't the invent spaces?
They used to use full kana with spaces in old video games (this shows that even natives find long strings of uninterrupted kana difficult to read). I think some new games still let you choose between full kana and kana+kanji, but I don't play video games anymore so I can't say how common that is (I think it's just a handheld console game thing).

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>>20204968
The simple fact is, not using Kanji even in a GBC game is no excuse if Pokemon Card GB could manage it.

However, if you can't read Kana-only, you don't know Japanese.

>> No.20205049

Learning japanese has been one of the most rewarding experiences of my life. I can't wait to get to a fluent level.

>> No.20205054

>Come back to Anki after 8 months off
>don't remember a card so hit the again button
>The next day if I hit good on the card it disappears for 1.3years

Uh how do I lower the interval?

>> No.20205056

せやな

>> No.20205058

>>20205054
>Come back to Anki after 8 months off
Why would you even do this? Just go learn Japanese instead.
If anki is like life support for you then just reset your deck.

>> No.20205067

>>20203823
Learning vocab is superior to learning Kanji.

If you learn 中国, 中出し, 中央, 途中, 中々, 真ん中 etc, you've learned words and don't even have to worry about "how it's read" because you know the word instead of just the Kanji. You'll see the shape of the whole thing instead of going at it Kanji by Kanji.

So it's kind of like how you don't learn

>rage
>courage
>garage
>forage
>mirage

by learning "rage"

That would be the stupidest thing ever

It's awfully convenient that Japanese gives some potential hints, but you can't rely on them in spoken language, you just need to know the words.

挑戦
新鮮 
戦没
新幹線
韓国
黒板
番組

You'll develop this sense for lots of things too, the "shape" and sound of things that are either super common or filler, then this will extend to basically everything on a long enough timeline.

>> No.20205068

>>20205054
Go to the Lapses tab and change New Interval

>> No.20205109

>>20205068
Thanks anon

>> No.20205124

>>20201459
Is this bait.

>> No.20205128

>>20205124
genki is just tk with a bit more scrolling to do

>> No.20205140

All you really need is vocab and content. Maybe a little grammar but even that's probably unnecessary.

>> No.20205141

>>20205124
>recommends textbooks
>"you'll be spending 90% of your time with anki anyway"
>no mention of actually reading native material at all
yes

>> No.20205150

>>20205067
The first sentence you wrote is ok but everything else is straight up scatterbrained. It sounds like you're making a case for the opposing side.

>rage
>enrage
>outrage

is closer to the picture you get when you pick up kanji. As you demonstrated by listing a ton of Japanese words that use different kanji that have the same onyomi.

You can rely on your familiarity with individual onyomi even in spoken langauge. There's going to plenty of candidates for a single onyomi, but surrounding context and your knowledge of vocab will narrow the possibilities considerably. You will at least be able to tell that 団結 and 決断 have different roots, just like you can tell "average" and "beverage" have nothing to do with each other.

We don't even have kanji in English and you can tell when words are related, like cede, secede, recede, concede.

So yes, this is why you should learn vocab, and also kanji by virtue of learning a bunch of vocab that looks similar and means similar things.

>> No.20205178

>>20205150
i think he's saying that if you have shit vocab and are trying to get by through kanji or yomi you're going to be slowed down by a bunch of confusing shit, like "mirage", mixed in with the easier shit, like "enrage"
obviously a greater vocabulary and by extension a greater familiarity with kanji will benefit you in the end, but if you try to push your kanji knowledge while your vocabulary lags behind, it's unlikely to go as smoothly as the "get all the kanji out of the way up front" crowd thinks

>> No.20205337

>>20205124
i hope so

>> No.20205341

>>20205178
Either way, the vocab has to come first. Consider the Kanji to be an added bonus, especially if you hear a new word or see it in kana and guess which ones it is based on context.

You've gotta learn it all either way, but the "rigorous" Kanji study should honestly be saved for the "last" 500 or so Jouyou and the Jinmeiyou since you legit see around 1500-1700 Kanji often enough to get them through reading and light flashcarding. Less common readings of things sort themselves out by being seen less often, but are more memorable due to that novelty. Sometimes you'll remember Kanji you have no real reason to remember like 柴、擽、轢、眩、儚, because they only have one or to legitimate words and forget really dumb ass ones you'd perceive as "easy" because their usage is often but scattered.

>> No.20205346

>>20205067
>>courage
>>garage
>>forage
>>mirage
The spoken language makes clear that none of these have anything to do with the word "rage" though. This is just an example of English spellings being shit and in desperate need of reform. At the bare minimum, we need an extension to our alphabet or a new alphabet entirely.

>> No.20205354

>>20205341
>眩、儚
not rare
>轢
either u know this from 灰羽連盟 or you aint learnin japanese

>> No.20205362

>>20205354
承り

>> No.20205367

>>20205362
受けた回る
周りから受けた

>> No.20205374

>go thru Anki deck
>~180 reviews
>140 reviews done well, 40 left
>keep clicking "Hard" and "See in 10 minutes" until I "get it"
>go through it a few times
>a lot of time wasted

should I just click "good" for all of them and try tomorrow? idk honestly what to do with this shit, I took them from my immersion like you guys said but they don't stick at all

>> No.20205381

>>20205374
I meant that I click "Again" and "See in 1/10 minutes" on an on

>> No.20205385

>>20205374
>>20205381
they are words like 残念, 柔らかい, 逮捕, 正確, 避難, 噴火

>> No.20205388

OK I'm gonna have to review all of them tomorrow anyway

>> No.20205393

>>20201532
Taking Japanese II rn, It's alright I guess, if you want to be in a classroom setting learning the same thing as others. We go off the Genki book, and it goes rather slow.

The standarized tests aren't the best, but if your school offers like a langugage lab for students who are taking a language course, could get help from tutoring. (Japanese 1 is Chapters 1-5, Japanese 2 is 6-10).

Supposedly Japanese 3 & 4, is where you actually learn shit.

>> No.20205397

>>20205374
Depends on what cards you're doing.

Vocab cards:
>word comes up
>managed to read and recall the meaning in <10 seconds
>good
>couldn't recall the reading and/or meaning in <10 seconds
>again

Reading cards:
>word comes up
>managed to read it in <10 seconds
>good
>couldn't read it after <10 seconds
>again

>> No.20205407

>>20205385
literally read the news for any amount of time and you will never ever ever forget most of those words

Every other fucking word in the news is 逮捕 and 避難 ffs

o but wait nvm keep up the anki don't read it'll cripple your Japanese forever sorry

>> No.20205410

>>20205367
受け給はる

でしょうが

>> No.20205434

>>20205410
請け魔悪とオモいます

>> No.20205447

Imagine learning Japanese to read the fucking news.

>> No.20205449

>>20205397
I'm doing literally what you said for Vocab cards, but I repeat that process ad infinitum because I simply don't memorise them even after failing them a few times. It's like void in my head.

>>20205407
I'm reading NHK Easy, but if I was to add to Anki words that I am familiar with I wouldn't add shit. As you said it takes a LOT of exposure to just get those words, so if I went that road I wouldn't add anything into Anki. As it is I add 10 words per day from NHK News if these words seem like common ones.

>> No.20205453

>>20205447
I learn Jap to read idol blogs (even better right?), but to get there I need to read the news, because there is no idol content "for beginners". One has to start somewhere and 80% of the language will be the same across all media anyway.

>> No.20205469

>>20205049
Thats a good feel anon

I just started a little while ago, but i am able to understand basic phrases and read hiragana / moon runes

really satisfying

>> No.20205470

>>20205393
You never end up actually learning shit. Last year I pulled the trigger and took myself directly into the 300 spring quarter course. Still it was just textbook exercises and 90% of the class couldn't string together a sentence that made sense. The one or two people who had their wits about them were still pretty unimpressive for having been in the game for three years. I had been into the language for 15 months.

Only reason to do it is for credits, and you better pray the ancient gaijin hunter teaching the class doesn't make you do asinine group work for the quarter final. And that she can at least write 璧, god damn.

Can't say I wasn't warned though, she interviewed me before she let me in and basically told me it wasn't a good idea to take the class.

>> No.20205483

>>20205449
NHK EASY will not feature stories of 逮捕された容疑者 often, if at all. It's almost always stories of varying interest on a broad range of topics. Likely to see 避難 though since it does cover natural disasters like 噴火・地震・津波・豪雨・などなどって災害。

Once you step up to TBS news you'll start to really lock down the "news vocab" though. Then it all goes to shit again once you start reading NHK's more varied articles and NEWS UP/特集 stuff, with very "written" articles with higher-end vocabulary.

The grammar rarely deviates from common stuff though, which makes it pretty tolerable early on.

>> No.20205494

>>20202296
>passive listening which is a complete meme and doesn't even help at all
What makes you think it doesn't work at all?

>> No.20205499

>>20205449
>I'm doing literally what you said for Vocab cards, but I repeat that process ad infinitum because I simply don't memorise them even after failing them a few times. It's like void in my head.
read more

>I'm reading NHK Easy
read something compelling

>> No.20205502

>>20204894
what means 受け王割ました? I keep hearing it in my animes

>> No.20205504

>>20205502
it means oof she busted my balls

>> No.20205505

>>20205494
the only thing passive listening will do for you is ruin your hearing and give you tinnitus

>> No.20205506

>>20205494
It is a complete meme unless it's "focused" passive listening. By this, I mean listening to a very small core amount of shit you mostly/completely understand and hear so often it's drilled into your soul.

Like some anon said earlier, if you hear a commercial on TV or radio enough times you get to where you can recite it effortlessly. This is how you need to slowly accumulate sentence structures and shit in Japanese, and listening passively to random shit in the background is doing the opposite of what you need.

If you can do it, cut 10 quality sentences from shit every day and load them on an MP3 player. Listen to that for hours until you can't stand it, and then do it the next day with 10 more sentences in the mix. Accumulate a few minutes of this and cycle out old shit (keep them in folders or organize by date or something to make this easier).

Critical bit is that you practice speaking and repeating these things until you have identical cadence/intonation/pitch/speed, and can say them effortlessly. These things, when made effortless, will empower you. You can now summon up that general idea/structure and make it your own with other words/thoughts/mix in other shit you know.

If you listen to these things passively, you have power. If you just play random anime you don't understand, you'll be a noob for a long time and look back wondering why.

>> No.20205514

>>20205502
承っております sounds better, like a thing a lizardman would say or something.

>> No.20205523

>>20205506
Also, mix that audio in with audio rips of shows you actually watched without subtitles. This studied audio and watched audio will give your brain shit to latch onto and start putting together patterns. Don't be a podcast moron that listens to hours of Japanese that turns into white noise the instant you're not putting your full attention to it.

>> No.20205532

にほんの

ちめいをよんでみよう

>伊豆

>> No.20205534

>>20205532
土生

>> No.20205536

>>20205534
みぶ?

つくし?

とさ?

はにゅう?

よめない

>> No.20205544
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>>20205523
This too, but I would keep those completely separate from the short clips as sort of a "treat" or something so your brain isn't completely omelette du fromage'd by the sentence rips.

The things you are the best at are the things you practice the most. There's only so many possible ways to form a sentence, so nail down 3000 of these sentence rips and you will slowly decrease the needed brainpower to process them, which will enhance your ability to listen AND speak.

On a long enough timeline, random listening COULD get you to fluency, but it's gonna take a lot longer than you have time for, and you can at least get a head start on making that random listening count by grinding out these sentences early on.

>> No.20205548

>>20205523
>audio rips of shows you actually watched without subtitles
I'm already doing this and it seems to work great.
I get that passive listening isn't going to be as effective as active listening, but if I have to do something away from the computer anyway I might as well listen to japanese while doing it, it's better than nothing.

>> No.20205550
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>>20205536
ブッブーですわ

正解は「はぶ」

>> No.20205558

>>20205550
どこかわかんないけど

そこのおすすめはなんですか

>> No.20205599
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>>20205544
>>20205523
>>20205506
anons unskilled in nijonho pulling batshit dogen-tier advice out of their ass for how to reach "fluency"

what's important is comprehension, so this method is ok if you're a baby beginner and can barely fit a word of the language through your ear edgeways before your brain inflames, but if you can already comprehend whatever talk show or podcast you'd be listening to otherwise at full speed then it's a lot better to spend 4 hours listening to that instead of trying to memorize ten sentences

unless there's something else really vying for your focus this will turn your passive time into active time

even if you are a beginner, listening a few times and then moving on after clearing up any comprehension issues is better than what you describe, though i guess this falls under active study

>> No.20205602

yoshi time for reps

kill me

>> No.20205606
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>>20205602

>> No.20205645

im jamal

>> No.20205649

>>20205645
jamal's not due for another 3 hours, please hand in your jamal card

>> No.20205662

>>20205506
>>20205544
This seems to make sense, gonna try this out.

>> No.20205665

>>20205602
Just finished my reps, good luck anon.

>> No.20205670

むかしのゲーム

ちょうむずいじゃん

なにあれ

あんなのどうやってやるの

>> No.20205671

なにいってんだ

こいつ

>> No.20205726

>>20205662
They're both just talking out of their asses. Ask them for a single study that backs up what they'e saying.

Protip: What "seems to make sense" in language learning usually doesn't work.

>> No.20205738

>>20204528
you don't understand linguistics

>> No.20205759

>>20204528
thinking about it more i've come up with two replies that better reflect how i actually want to respond to your post:

1) here, read this and don't try to talk to me about linguistics until you do https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/linguistics/
2) nothing ever said that a fake can't surpass the original

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Does someone have a pdf or epub version of this book: https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E4%BA%BA%E3%81%AE%E3%81%9F%E3%82%81%E3%81%AE%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E8%AA%9E%E6%96%87%E6%B3%95%E5%85%A5%E9%96%80-%E8%AC%9B%E8%AB%87%E7%A4%BE%E7%8F%BE%E4%BB%A3%E6%96%B0%E6%9B%B8-%E5%8E%9F%E6%B2%A2-%E4%BC%8A%E9%83%BD%E5%A4%AB/dp/406288173X

there's a text version on the site (https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/horon/bunpou/nihonjin.html))

I prefer reading a pdf/epub rather than a site.

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20205828

DJT、僕らはこれをできる!

>> No.20205832

経皮経管的血管形成術
Do you mine words like this too?

>> No.20205880

The mega links on itazuraneko don't work, what's wrong with them?

>> No.20205888

>>20205880
you need to edit the mega.nz into the url

>> No.20205899

Is it even possible to speak with a near-native accent if you didn't start before the age of 18? Are there any examples of this (in any language)?

>> No.20205900

>>20205832
no but i feel this might be marginally easier for me to understand without looking up than "percutaneous transluminal angioplasty"

and at least i can read it

if i was still a lil ankidrone i'd save my cards for the big boy kanji and yojijukugo

>> No.20205904

>>20205899
Depends on how much you work on your listening but you'll probably keep your accent. I started learning english at 8 and still have one.

>> No.20205908

>>20205899
It's possible but it's gonna require a lot of work.
It doesn't really matter if you have a slight accent though.

>> No.20205914

>>20205904
How?

If you start learning that early you can be indistinguishable from a native. Unless you mean you were just fiddling with some English on the side and not actually being raised in the US or wherever.

>> No.20205928
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20205928

今日も一日頑張ります!

>> No.20205948

もうよるだよ

ねようよ

>> No.20206243

https://youtu.be/EyRgTBwQ_d8

日本語を覚えたかいがあったぜ

>> No.20206248

>真空

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>>20206248

>> No.20206255

>>20206248
What did he mean by this

>> No.20206261

>>20206248
亜空

>> No.20206262

I'm a chinese learner looking for some advice by you weebs.

For context, I know over 3000 characters, probably over 10,000 words. Reading novels is a struggle, reading manga is comfortable. I can watch tv shows without subs but get lost frequently.

Do you guys worry about listening at all? I still feel my time is better spent reading a ton. I'm still at a stage where I need to increase my vocabulary fast, and in my view adding vocab is faster through reading than listening. So my strategy is to keep reading until my vocabulary is huge, to a point where I can watch a tv show and the subtitles contain almost no words I don't know. That way if I turn off the subtitles, if I don't understand it's because I didn't catch the word, not that I had no chance at understanding because I never saw this word before.
Do you agree with this method? Or will it fuck up my pronunciation somehow?

謝謝繭居族們

>> No.20206275

>>20206262
I may be an outlier but I do 90% listening and 10% reading.

>> No.20206277
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20206277

what the fuck does this mean?

>> No.20206280

>>20205791
file.
io/cnVxra

>> No.20206284

>>20206262
Are you saying you're chinese, and a learner? That you already learned Chinese and are now learning Japanese? Or that you are only learning Chinese and reading Chinese manga?

Guess it doesn't matter cause it works the same for all languages. Reading novels and looking up all the words will expose you to more words than listening, simply because prose tends to be wordier. It's not going to fix your problem of not being able to understand spoken language though. And listening very quickly improves reading comprehension. You should do listening.

>> No.20206291

>>20206277
what makes you incapable of using google first before you take a shit on djt

>> No.20206302

>>20206280
https://a.uguu.se/WH4hfQOLkmPV_%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E4%BA%BA%E3%81%AE%E3%81%9F%E3%82%81%E3%81%AE%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E8%AA%9E%E6%96%87%E6%B3%95%E5%85%A5%E9%96%80.epub

>> No.20206308

>>20206291
sometimes instead of getting it in the toilet you just get it in your drawers

mamesiba~

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>>20206277
umm thats pretty basic

>> No.20206313

>>20206291
i read kanji tomo definition and i still dont get it

>> No.20206319

>>20206312
i wish ai chan would let me smell her katyusha

>> No.20206322

>>20206284
I'm only learning Chinese and reading Chinese manga. Yeah, its weird I come here for advice but on chinese language learning forums its 90% beginners who think they are in a position to give advice, and 10% people with good chinese skills because they lived in china for the past 10 years. The japanese community has much more people who learned a language by sitting in a basement all day, so I think your advice is worth more to me.

>> No.20206326

>>20206322
>90% beginners who think they are in a position to give advice
that's basically /djt/ though

>> No.20206330

>>20206277
does it mean like [quation]なのて言って?
thing that is qutation was said? is that some convulsed way to make quote into a noun? I didn't see that shit in Tae Kim...

>> No.20206335

>>20206322
no the english speaking japanese learning communities are 99.9% aids and .1% legit

youll see if you hang out long enough though djt is far and away the best place to be : )

>> No.20206336

>>20206277
fuck meanings, trust your feelings.

>> No.20206340

>>20206322
Japanese learning communities are notoriously 95% beginners and 5% Nukemarines, so I'm not sure you really got an upgrade coming here.

>> No.20206348

>>20206336
my feeling tells me it doesn't mean anything

>> No.20206354

http://maggiesensei.com/2013/09/02/how-to-use-%E3%81%AA%E3%82%93%E3%81%A6nante/

Maggie is the best, fuck you faggots.

>> No.20206361

なんてこった

>> No.20206372

>>20206340
im pretty sure theres not enough people blessed with the distinguished level of aids it takes to be a nuke chan >>20201779

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>>20206348
i'll spoonfeed you, but learn to use the shit we have in the op yourself for next time

you're looking for meaning [2] here

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What was Heisig smoking when he wrote this book?

>> No.20206387

>>20206381
wait till you get to the kazoos.

>> No.20206388

>>20206381
thats not a book thats a flashcard

>> No.20206394

>>20206381
well it kinda looks like ネ from chernobyl

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>>20206381
hard to tell those naginatas and katanas apart u know dude??

>> No.20206403

>>20206277
「家へ帰って熊に話したら、初めは 
『まだ死んだような気がしない』
なんて言っていましたが、
私はわかりやすく話すと、熊もやっと、
『死んだような気がする』と言いまして・・・
連れてきました。これが本人です」

I typed it out so you can look it up

>> No.20206407

i learned a new word https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3QXK2iUJn0

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>>20206396
fuck, duuude

>> No.20206433

>>20206262
I probably spend about 60-70% of my time on listening. I feel like my vocabulary grows quicker from reading, but I don't want to fall into the trap a lot of language learners find themselves in, where they can read at a much higher level than they can listen. I'm trying to keep my listening and reading skills at about an equal level.
Just do whatever you want, learning a language is about having fun and enjoying yourself. Just try to be careful not to fall into the trap i described.

>> No.20206445

the only trap is wanting to learn japanese

just learn it organically without wanting or trying ┐(‘~` )┌

>> No.20206452

>>20206433
It's only a trap if you can't escape. Being in the situation you described is the opposite of a trap since there will be a catch-up effect.

>> No.20206472

>>20206381
As a left side radical, it does look like ネ with one extra stroke, and is used in kanji that have a cloth theme to them. Not exactly a mind blowing revelation.

>> No.20206489

>>20206354
I'm sorry if it doesn't handhold me I want no part of it desu

>> No.20206511

>read a few pages in Japanese
>1,5 hours have passed

wtf>?

>> No.20206526

>>20206472
the mind blowing revelation is that ネ is not a hiragana

>> No.20206533

>>20206511
i bet you could read this in a much smaller fraction of the time and learn more things too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuJ3FZtQ5N0

>> No.20206540
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20206540

Living the dream

>> No.20206544

when you get to my age youll realize that it aint about looks if you can find a girl thatll clean up after you and make you dinner and give you head you marry that girl

>> No.20206547

>>20206540
weww thicc

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>>20206472
Beginner spotted.

>> No.20206574 [DELETED] 

>>20206540
If this isn't proof that you can't take the nig out of the nog I don't know what is.

>> No.20206583

>>20206381
>What was Heisig smoking when he wrote this book?
Jesus.

>> No.20206584

jesus ftw

>> No.20206714

>掘る
>ほる
>hole

>> No.20206734

>>20206354
wow they really wrote out like 10 pages of info on なんて
Cool I guess. Gives me another resource for when I"m sick of going through the others.

>> No.20206752

>>20206714
hole would be ホール dude : )

big difference

>> No.20206776

>>20206752
no thats "hall" i learned it in my eroge

>> No.20206791

>>20206776
not in this context >>::)))

>> No.20206813

>>20206776
ah the cavernous gaping "halls" of your mum

>> No.20206818
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>"まずジャックがなぜここへ来れたがかをつき止めにゃあここはもう安全じゃのうなるぜよ"
老人語難しい

>> No.20206865

>>20206818
が twice? That's allowed?

>> No.20206866
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20206866

Is it about time to get serious on mining?

>> No.20206881

>>20206866
It's about time to get serious on reading

>> No.20206885

>>20206881
I have been reading, but I only mine a few words a day because I don't grab every new word I see

>> No.20206899

>>20206885
A few words a day is enough.

>> No.20206907

>>20206899
Sounds like a pretty big slowdown from the 20 a day in core though

>> No.20206909

>>20206865
not only is it allowed its encouraged

>> No.20206926

>>20206909
its はが

>> No.20206931

amazon prime japan is pretty awesome, would recommend.

>> No.20206936

>>20206818
More dialect than stereotypical old people speak.

>> No.20206961

>>20206865
No reason you can't use が twice in the same sentence, but that's not が twice, the second が in that sentence is a different が that is actually 方言 code for の.

>> No.20206963

>>20206907
Of course

>> No.20206975

Why is itazuraneko keeps getting linked? It's broken and there is no one to fix it. What was wrong with old djt site?

>> No.20206982

>>20206975
How is it broken?

>> No.20206994
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>>20206982
A bunch of links on it go nowhere. Not a single mega link is valid.

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>>20206994

>> No.20206999

>>20206994
just change url XD

>> No.20207005

>>20206999
No shit. I did that.
Should I do that everytime? Fuck no.

>> No.20207007

>>20207005
what you should do is eat shit tho

>> No.20207008

>>20207005
Just download all the batches

>> No.20207011
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>>20207005
That's what you have to do.

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20207013

>> No.20207033

>>20207005
You know, you're probably posting this from a device that's really good for automating things. You should try learning to use it.

>> No.20207059

yoshi time to watch raw anime

>> No.20207064
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what anime

>> No.20207097

holy fuck Jap impression of German language in Evangelion is so fucking painful to listen to, Nips are so clueless about foreign languages
I'm not even German and I hear how wrong Asuka's voice actress does it

>> No.20207104

>>20207097
shut up its cute

>> No.20207109

holy fuck わたしはゲイ

>> No.20207120

>>20207033
Are you really that upset about me not liking some site?

>> No.20207130

>>20207120
no ones upset about you youre just gay

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