/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Reminder to set your Interval Modifier to 150%

>>20178834
>https://pastebin.com/nzVdrNem
>https://pastebin.com/5ydgiy5A
Feedback welcome on these, by the way. A lot of people seem to dislike Ixrec's guide so I tried writing my own alternative to his "Alphabets" explanation. I also thought it would be a good idea to have something explaining the basics of Anki, hence the second pastebin.

Let me know if I made any mistakes, or if anything could be improved.

>>20178849
Kana guide is redondant and has some stupid information
Anki guide is OK but you should be dissuading people from doing core more. The way you worded it sounds like the general consensus is doing 2000 isolated vocab before reading which is stupid

>>20178889
should you do any isolated vocab
its kind of intimidating going to reading without understanding anything

>>20178849
>>20178889
You're both clueless autistics who shouldn't be giving advice to anyone about anything.

>>20178902
It doesn't hurt but it's better to get started mining asap. Also core does some really stupid shit with the card ordering

>>20178906
rude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkt5nT60xBA#t=249

>>20178889
>Kana guide is redondant and has some stupid information
What specifically would you say is wrong with it?

>Anki guide is OK but you should be dissuading people from doing core more. The way you worded it sounds like the general consensus is doing 2000 isolated vocab before reading which is stupid
I was trying to make it as balanced and objective as I could (although some bias inevitably entered into it), though perhaps trying to represent all sides was not the right approach.

>>20178906
I can't really do much with feedback like that. If you think it's that bad, by all means write your own version. Up to now, DJT hasn't had any real in-depth guide regarding writing systems, pronunciation or Anki, which is something I felt ought to be corrected. None of the "anon curated guides" on itazuraneko cover this stuff at all besides Ixrec (which isn't an Anon guide and which nobody seems to have anything good to say about in any case).

>>20178920
>Also core does some really stupid shit with the card ordering
I did mean to mention this, but I couldn't think of a good way to fit it in.

is there a guide to learning from "reading" I don't understand what exactly you are meant to do

youre meant to watch 10000 hours of anime and then read shit thats like anime so you know a lot of the words before you can even read them

>>20178939
buy picture book
open it
stare at it

>>20178934
The whole kana section feels out of place, I really dislike the pronunciation thingy as it is both completely useless for a beginner and discouraging because it's too much information at once
These guides should focus on presenting the primary aspects of the writing system, not teach kana per se. The kanji section is alright in that regard

I'm not sure what you were going for with these guides by the way, I'm pretty sure all of this information is somewhere on the the neocities guide(s)

>>20178951
how do you learn how to read the words though

>>20178970
you just associate the word you know to the written word in the anime like literature

>>20178939
1. read book (preferably with furigana)
2. look up words and grammatical clauses you don't know
2.1 if you don't have the character reading, draw the kanji into some type of input device and look it up that way
3. add all the words/grammar you looked up into your notebook/anki deck/quizlet/etc.
3. remember those
there you go

>>20178961
>I'm pretty sure all of this information is somewhere on the the neocities guide(s)
It possibly or even probably is, but I don't think it's assembled anywhere all in one place.

I won't post these guides any more myself, though. If people think they're useless and of no help to anyone, I'm happy for them to disappear (though it would be nice if they got backed up on itazuraneko under the anon guides section at least so I could feel like writing them wasn't a complete waste of time 草). If any legit mistakes are reported in this thread, I'll probably fix them, but besides that I guess I'll just sit back and see what becomes of them from here on out. If they're destined to die then so be it.

>>20178988
if you're just looking up what is essentially random words at first how is that better than isolated vocabulary though

real guide to nihongo that works when

>>20178996
if you watch 10000 hours of anime no words are ever random

>>20178988
remove step 3 and half of step 2

>>20178999
there would need to be different guides for different goals, different guides for different starting points, etc.
Just need a set of tips that are helpful.

>>20179003
do you get sick of doing this
is this fun to you

>>20178999
It's you that's not working.

>>20179010
you have to repeat yourself a lot to get through to special education children

>>20179012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-7GowOCW3A#t=179

>>20179024
where that real yakuza rap at?

>>20179029
we got those https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV1JCkKDsxk

>>20179017
am I really supposed to believe some guy who keeps spamming that all you need to do to learn japanese is watch anime on 4chan or everyone else
I understand what you're saying but i don't believe it will actually work

>>20179040
when did i ever say all you need to do is watch anime

10000 hours of anime is step 1 but if you dont do step 1 there is no step 2 and a "dekinai" is you

>>20179042
thats years of anime though
you have to have a lot of faith in a method to do nothing else for an extended period of time
if you can give me a reason to believe you i will but as of now you have zero credibility
I watch at least an hour or so of subtitled anime per day already and i don't feel like I'm learning anything

>>20179056
well you can either improve the quality of your nihongo time or watch years of anime at your pace both will work undoubtedly

trying to read some yotsuba

what does the middle bubble say?

koneette? wtf is that?

>>20179056
Not him, but: It would almost certainly work, it's just a huge waste of time since you can attain fluency and a near-native level of comprehension with a couple- to a few thousand hours of real studying instead.

>>20179068
She's got something to do so she won't come.

maybe we should change the scope of djt and just make it a thread about making sure everyone without fail understands the first volume of yotuba

>>20179060
i mean i have probably watched 1000 hours of anime already and I don't feel like im 10% of the way to anything

>>20179068
Just get the reading pack

>>20179068
>こねえって
A slang-ish version of 来ないって, which is itself a slang-ish version of 来ないと

>>20179085
its not a fuckin experience bar in a videogame

>>20179088
jfc, how is this beginner friendly?

>>20179105
if you just watched your anime with the engy subs youd know it instinctively and not need the gay explanation that means jack all to u

>>20179105
来る is probably the second most common verb in the whole language. Negative form is something you've seen by now. Quote particles are something you've seen by now

>>20179105
It doesn't require you to know any kanji.

>>20179105
dont worry i got the real beginner friendly for u https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCMx9DGl9Y0

that's still not mumble :V

is there a program i can have loaded on android at all times that i can quickly switch to and draw the kanji in to look up words.

>>20179035
lol dope

>>20179134
that means capture

>>20179068
ない very often become ねえ in colloquial speech.

That's not just for negative endings of verbs, either. きたない, for instance, very often becomes きたねえ.

>>20179105
the sick truth is that nothing is beginner friendly brother

watching jappo cartoons can help a lot with this slang business though

peace

消火栓
バス
信号機
自動車
自転車
who says you're not immersing here?

the sick truth actually is that everything is beginner friendly once you *snorts* open your third eye

I know this is a language, not culture thread, but making a seperate thread isn't needed.

Which are effectively more popular in japan (AKA, liked more in pop culture): Kitsunes or Tanukis

>>20179180
sorry were full up on aids you have to go back

>>20179135
Use jisho.org
I've tried inputting characters with google handwriting input before but it's a piece of shit.
Jisho has a built-in handwriting recognition tool to input unique characters, it's meh but works well with a touchscreen. It also has search by radicals which works really good

Was just looking through the CoR and found this:
>Core10k JinJoyo

Where the fuck did this come from? The description says "Covers all [blah blah blah] as of August 15th, 2018", but I don't remember seeing it posted here any time recently.

>>20179188
https://dict.naver.com/linedict/zhendict/dict.html does better than jisho and google

>>20179190
sounds like a trap door to hell dont fall down it

>>20179188
>I've tried inputting characters with google handwriting input before but it's a piece of shit.

>>20179205
So THIS is what 29-strokes kanji look like in your head huh..

>>20179205
Was referring to the android app, the web translate tool works nice but the android tool is just awful

>>20178834
Who here has learned conversational japanese just off their own study? I can carry a simple convo but I can't read for shit since I haven't studied, and I feel like it's holding me back.

you need to challenge yourself like eminem

>>20179215
use Google's handwriting recognition keyboard app thing instead

>>20179194
Tried it, it's really good but too bad it doesn't have a J-E dictionary for convenience

>>20179247
That's the piece of shit I'm talking about

>all these retards that didn't do rtk

Oh boi am I laffin

They should make an rtk input tool
like you type in "sun" and it inputs 日

>>20179252
http://japaneseapp.com/

i use it on ios but it's what you're looking for.

>>20179274
https://hochanh.github.io/rtk/index.html

>>20179279
>contains ads
not what I'm looking for

>>20179292
not on ios “shrug”

Can someone post the link to the page with the script sizes of eroge?

>>20179135
I'm also interested in this.

>>20179261
it hardens you too, basically boot camp for nihongo

>>20179252
if Google Handwriting Input isn't working for you then you're doing something wrong because it literally works even if i draw kanji backwards and in a random order

>>20179087

the reading pack?

*creepy voice*
I'd like to thank my - gold - kokeshi patreons - my producer angels - for making this video happen.

I love it.

Any rips of netflix audio description?

>>20177668

So is this what's going to happen to me? I knew it. I knew anki was useful. I knew people were only insulting anki because they didn't enjoy using it. But just because you find it unenjoyable doesn't mean it won't help you remember words or readings.

>there are still people mining single words instead of +1 sentences

>>20179610
this sounds like a big hassle

>>20179641
it's like mining a word but you drag your cursor a few more pixels before dragging and dropping them into anki

>>20179641
it takes slightly longer to make the cards and review them, but it's worth it imo.

>>20179644
RREEEEEEEEE

But then I have to read a sentence while doing reps and I hate reading! Just let Anki be Anki

>>20179649
you can limit it to short sentences and clauses

>>20179644
Are you manually adding to anki or what?

>>20179657
no, in fact i don't use anki.

>>20179610
I only fall for quality memes.

>>20179659
Ah, so you're tab guy.

>>20179649
for me it's less tedious to review sentences than words, but do whatever works for you i guess. the most important thing is that you spend the majority of your study time immersing.

immerse away https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKdBX_cqtAs

>>20179432
At first I was put off but now I love it too.

>>20178834
haha hey matt here you know whats really cringe i mean besides my neckbeard receding hairline bedroom with manga and cartoons plastered all over it piss jug the fact i went to japan to live the high school dream only to eat toilet meshi and do flashcards instead my authoritative tone about things i have no idea about my wikipedia math all the material i parrot and try to pass off as my own my racist tendencies my blog from like 8 years ago where i said i wanted a japanese girlfriend that muramasa vid lmao that time i said "itchaban tsuyoee gaijeem ni nawitai" that time i said smugly that talking japanese for guyjims is just too cringe for me that time toilet head came over and i bottomed for him that time i tried to talk shit about jorge the japones from cero guy who was kindly patient with my autism that time i shit all over some kid irl about how hes learning japanese wrong and im the best and then talked about it on the internet and last but not least that time i realized i dont even like anything from japan and have no use for a language i dedicated my entire seisyun to and defined my existence by how great i was at learning it (in my mind) ?

the op (sheesh) and this https://streamable.com/d4prq

i knew someone would do it just had to believe

>>20179649
Anki isn't reading.

>>20179740
nothing is reading according to this thread

counterpoint

reading isnt anki

Jojo episode 5 just dropped

already watched it for much win

I already ate the manga.

>>20179749
I think most things are reading, including manga, but Anki is not reading.

>>20179105
>jfc, how is this beginner friendly?
I'm the guy you replied to, and that's one of the most basic and pervasive slang corruptions in the entire language. You literally cannot get away from the replacement of ない with ねえ, it's everywhere. Japanese is not beginner-friendly.

>>20179774
Is relying on rikai to the point that you don't learn readings reading?

>>20179788
Yes. Deaf people read and they have no idea how anything is pronounced, so knowing readings isn't necessary for reading.

太腿
New favorite word

can you use it in a sentence

太い太腿や尻を好きだ

太腿を私の顔に座てください

>>20179837
>>20179845
your japanese is now permanently crippled

僕は好きじゃない。ゲイがゆえに。もっとこう、ちんちん付きの体裁が好き。

i appreciate you guys for playin along so no mean words from me keep enjoying japanese : )

love u guys

>>20179853
>太腿を私の顔に座ってください
fixed

>>20179898
thats some progress but still nope

>仕事の技術がある外国人に出すビザで、５年働くことができます。
does に出すビザで mean "having been given a visa" here? not sure about this use of 出す

>>20179911
So whats the correct answer 先生？

>>20179932
anything that is handed out can be 出す

太腿が俺の顔に座ってほしい？

>>20179950
>The fat thighs want my face to sit for them

>>20179947
thanks

>>20178849
>>https://pastebin.com/nzVdrNem
if someone wants this much information they should just skim imabi, this is too long for a beginner
>pronounced like the "a" in "cap".
no
>pronounced like the "o" in "story"
not an ideal example
i find it strange that there is more explanation for ng than fu
that's a big paragraph on あ゛
nothing about multiple pronunciations of ん
more kanji infodump that is not useless information but someone ready to hear it can look for it on their own
typing section fails to mention less common combinations like ティ or at least how to type lone small kana, which seems to come up regularly here
>>https://pastebin.com/5ydgiy5A
i don't think i've seen reading-only cards mentioned in a guide before, a point for that
>The back of the card should contain the readings for every word in the sentence and either a full translation of the sentence
i think this and maybe other parts of the sentence card overview will irritate people, but i don't do sentences

>>20179939
>>20179950
keep playing musical particles youll find the right one eventually but then you cant really use 座る anymore because it wont make sense

if you were starting over what would you do differently?

きみの太腿が私の顔のうえに席こと座ってください

>>20180021
I would have taken Japanese in high school instead of Spanish, not because it would have taught me anything great, but because it would have given me a seven-year head start against when I actually started learning Japanese.

>>20180021
post on DJT less

>>20180021
Not go two years before starting to use anki.

they said recycling day is tuesday when it's actually friday

kayoubi is tuesday
kinyoubi is friday

shigen no gomi no hi is recycling day in japanese? interesting

>>20180021
Skip Anki completely, so much time and nerves lost.

>>20180021
Not take those 4 months off.
Prioritize content I enjoy over content I think I will make the most gains from.
Maybe do lazy kanji or just radicals instead of learning to write 2200 kanji

>>20180026
it went from a traffic accident to a full blown pileup

dont get discouraged just clear the wreckage and keep trying

俺の顔が席としてほしい

>>20180038
honestly in some respects it's better than the one that came before, it's certainly not grammatically correct but the meaning comes through much more obviously

Finally found a way to learn kanji that's fun and easy. Sharing it here to help others : )

きみの太腿で私の顔に座ってください
よし

>>20180059
i guess it did have more parts that could make it a coherent thought but they didnt really help the overall case

>>20180066
oh look now you need to figure out how to express 座る properly because it still doesnt make sense

welcome to level 2

>>20180056
>My face, as a chair, desires
>>20180060
The longer I look at this the angrier I get
>>20180066
That's close, but you've changed the format of the sentence so much that it doesn't make sense to even include the word 太腿 in there anymore. Your sentence would be correct if it was 私の顔に座ってください but it seems like you've failed and given up on trying to parse a grammatical structure you haven't tried before, and have fallen back on one that you're somewhat familiar with while trying to shoehorn something else in.

>>20180060
the longer i look at this the hungrier i get

かわいい娘のすべすべ太ももで窒息したい

>>20180073
>>20180080
i'd wager he's mostly suffering because he doesn't know what a direct object is

like it's really just starting to get painful to watch

More like 膣息, am I right?

>>20180021
Anki. I learned to read fine without it but I regularly fuck up readings.

>>20180021
1. Not quit so many times
2. Learn kanji by writing vocab, not using memeonics
3. Start watching raw anime sooner
4. Start reading earlier and do it every day

>>20180021
I would start 2 years earlier.

>>20180021
stop being a dekinai
i cant even form a imple sentence

>>20180108
I don't understand how to learn to do listening properly. A lot of the time I simply can not discern what is being said, no matter how many times I keep rewinding. Even the English subs don't help.
Pic related, I have no clue how natives make out what the heck he is screaming about over half the time.

>>20180021
I'd start reading novels sooner instead of wasting my time with manga and would have stopped grinding core6k up to the mid 4000s like a retard

>>20180128

>>20180026
right on, brother.

>>20180128
May you should listen to more standardized speakers until you get used to it...?
If you can see the speaker's face it's easier too.

>>20180128
Me neither. But maybe if I had started earlier, I would have figured it out by now.

きみの太腿で私の顔に座ることがください
やった

>>20180021
vncore, raw anime, and lots of reading
i spent too much time on kanji and on trying to build an optimal vocabulary before i started consuming media

is it just me or is >>20179845 the most correct formulation of the sentence in this thread so far

he literally only needed to change the conjugation of 座て and he'd have a real sentence instead of whatever the fuck you guys made him write

>>20180159
God I wish that was me

>>20180128
just watch it dont rewind dont obsess over every word dont try to learn japanese keep using the english subs

do this for 10000 hours then revisit the issue

>>20180169
yeah i wish i was the girl too chokin out a cherry boy

>>20180168
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yoshi time to read

>>20180168
youre on to something but its still not ok and its wrong to imply that it is even a little despite it being the most understandable version of what he wants

>>20180188
i'm going to claim without evidence that it's 座らせて mostly to end what i think is a gigantic farce

all the non-causative conjugations that exist are unable to escape the fundamental incorrectness that results from 座る being an ~intransitive verb~ and therefore being unable to accept the 太腿 (or any other) direct object

now this is the sort of cancer I like.

i dont like it because too many large word and jargon >_>

>guy living in Japan finds Matt videos
>puts together a YouTube video in pure Japanese telling Matt how shit he is compared to him
>Matt responds by pointing out all the mistakes in his video
>Guy is doing ajatt now

Lawl, https://youtu.be/k5t37q1neC4?t=1413

>>20180210
literally everyone involved in this story should be executed including >>20180210 who thought it would be a good idea to share with this thread

>>20180198
>intransitive verb
oh shit

君の太腿を私がの顔に座りたい
こちら正しいこたえ

>>20180210
you forgot to mention it was actually a call for help

>>20180215
wtf is that??

>>20180221
it means you cannot を here

>>20180219
Any anti-matt post is

>>20180217
that's, uh, certainly one way to do it

>>20180224
if you think of it as 2 separate thoughts

what i mean is press hard return key after を take deep breath then say other thing

>>20180232
that's cool as long as the を is for an implied verb or a different verb than the intransitive verb

>>20180237
he just wants the momos and then he wants the sitting on the face

to be done by curedolly

>>20180217
>君の太腿を私がの顔に座りたい
>を私がの
Holy shit it keeps getting worse.

>>20180254
it's just a functionally fluent guy taking you all for a fucking ride, stop falling for the bait.

lets keep it positive dont give up keep trying fighto oh gambare you can do it

俺の顔に座るのがほしい。

were all cheering u on!!!

>>20180258
>functionally fluent
where's the bar for that

gambare futomomo guy

>>20180258
>it's just a functionally fluent guy taking you all for a fucking ride, stop falling for the bait.
There is no reason to think that.
Unless "functionally fluent" people are so ignorant as to have not encountered words like 太腿 before >>20179808

顔に座って事が欲しいではあります。あたしの顔だけど。

>>20180268
right here >>20180260

>>20180210
here's the initial video response they talked about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUGcCvNqkuA
and n1 guy's update video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOFFLfFojvM

>>20180260
>>20180274
You're getting colder
>>20180276
No, that sentence uses the wrong conjugation of 座る again.

>>20180280
sorry i didnt realize you were in serious mode making you oblivious to sarcasm

>>20180286
Oops, that one was on me. Went right over my head.

>>20180290
nah dude its cool it was actually like the pic here >>20180273

isn't >>20180066 literally grammatically correct

>>20180296
i mean was welcome to level 2 not direct enough

>>20180301
i also submit that it is logically correct on top of being grammatically correct

あのね、あたしの顔には。。。きみが座らせててもいいですか？だから欲しい。

atashi no atama ni suwattekudosai

there's a post i want to make but first i need to check if 4chan still lets you post unicode stars

star goes here:

>>20180312
sad

>>20180312
my man we're not even allowed the pleasure of a proper maru here

>>20180302
It's redundant, like saying "use your ass to sit in that chair."

>>20180302
maybe but what the fuck

not what the fuck at you

>>20180312
>>20180314
┐(‘～` )┌

>>20180315
but what if there is a great deal of interest in the ass, isn't it reasonable to put unnecessary attention onto it

>>20179155
But also captcha, google it.

>>20180315
but sentences like "sit your ass down" are perfectly standard in the english language

all it means is that you've decided to place a particular emphasis on the assness of the sitting

>>20180314
yeah it really sucks

somehow キ星モ星イ and ま丸こ just don't cut it

Lots of people recommended HanaHira as my first VN because it's easy and short. I'd have to agree with that.

But holy fucking shit.

I'm about a third of the way through it, and I already want to kill myself.

It's about a mentally retarded and severely autistic student who literally can't do anything right. She can't even eat properly without dropping her food and getting ketchup all over her face. The other characters scold her and tell her to get her shit together all throughout the day, but for some reason, she doesn't pick up on emotions or social cues, so she is still super happy and upbeat and wants to touch boobies. The two loli characters speak like they've got a chew toy stuck in their throat after spending most of their childhood in a helium tank. I don't think I've ever heard such high pitched, distorted and annoying voices before. I could live with it if they at least all spoke like that, but no, of course there's this one super shy and soft spoken girl whose voice is impossible to hear. If I turn up the volume, one of the other characters will inevitably yell "YAAAAAA" way too fucking loud in their stupid autistic loli voice.

I've read about 1400 lines and I'm still not sure what the plot is. Well, four girls attend a school and they are friends, but some want to be more than just friends. There we go. Literally nothing else has happened so far. I'm actually impressed how little content the creators put into that many lines of text. I feel like the story would have had a better plot if the text was replaced by lorem ipsum.

And seriously, there are so many plot holes. In the middle of class, two girls smash their desks together and start yelling and screaming, and the teacher doesn't say anything. In fact, I don't even think I've seen other characters yet. Maybe it's all just in the retarded girls head and she's actually stuck in a mental asylum. In a way, that makes more sense.

The worst part is that there's not even anything to wank to. Come on, just draw a little bob and vagene. Censor it if you have to, I don't care. Surely one of them has a dick too, and that's fine. I'll gladly take it in the ass if it makes this VN better. At least just give me something! It got pretty close at some point, but then it just stopped, left me with a cliffhanger, and went to a new scene.

How do people make it through this shit?! You gotta be more retarded than the retard loli girl for this to be entertaining. You know how some things are so bad that they become entertaining? Yeah, this is so bad that it's way past that point, and now it's just back to being really bad. I knew that I wasn't a big fan og animay and mangos, but I figured that I would at least be able to power through a trash VN for the sake of getting better at Japanese. Now I'm starting to regret even learning Japanese in the first place. If I had never learned Japanese, then at least I would have never put myself through this pain and suffering.

太腿 is the new 適当

>>20180350
holy SHIt this wall of fuck just appeared and im about to read it will post again after the bump

>>20180350
that simply isn't true

>>20180350
I haven't read Hanahiraっ, but being retarded is funny.

>>20180350
False
>読みなかった（笑）

>>20180350
lmao nice post gets my seal of approval might even paste it sometime

>>20180350
>it's easy and short
it's just short. it's not hard but the easiness is overstated. according to wareya, in less than 1/20 the script size, hanahira requires more unique vocabulary for 90% comprehension than leyline 1-3 combined.
just read flyable heart or something. or go hard and read something you are actually interested in.

>>20180383
nooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOoooooo

>>20180333
>sit your ass down
We're being pedantic already so I'm going to have to disagree. This "sit" is not a standard form of "sit," it is being used in a commanding form. If you say that you "sit your ass down," you are not "sitting using your ass," you are making your ass take a seat(i.e. you are steering your ass in such a way as to have it sit down). The Japanese equivalent of this "sit" would be 座らせる, not 座る. I think anon has given up so I guess I'll just write the correct way: 君の太腿を俺の顔に座らせて下さい
Because Anon used で　and 座る, and not を座らせる, the accurate English equivalent would be "sit using your ass," not "sit your ass down."

>>20180388
nice try leylinedude

>>20180383
>読みなかった
hows your first week of japanese going bud

太ももに顔を挟まれたい

>>20180401
i agree that my translation substituted the transitive for the intransitive sit and was therefore not an accurate reflection of the original japanese grammatical structure. but you objected primarily to the redundancy aspect, which remains? i'm sure you would agree that this would be a proper use of emphasis, despite being equally redundant:

私の顔に座ってください！その太腿で！

the "using your ass" only doesn't work in english because it's a very stilted construction. i'm not completely convinced that that remains the case in japanese.

>core6k is stupid

this shit is ASS

六花の太ももで窒息したい

>>20180421
ああ

あたしはふとももがだいすき

watashi no kao ni
anata no futomomo ni suwatte
もらってほしい

>>20180350
>four girls attend a school and they are friends, but some want to be more than just friends
picked up

i wanna get sat on by these

>>20180455
time yourself on how long it takes you to drop it and report back

if you havent watched your 10000 hours of anime theres no way you can hang with hanahiraッ

>>20180484
you can probably handle unision shift blossom with 1000 hours or less though

>>20180416
>but you objected primarily to the redundancy aspect
Upon reconsideration,
>君の太腿で俺の顔に座って下さい
does not sound incorrect. My first reaction to it was the thought that
>君の太腿を俺の顔に座らせて下さい
was a better way of representing the same thought. That said, it could have been just because I was expecting it to be wrong.
>私の顔に座ってください！その太腿で！
This also sounds 100% correct.
I will say that I would expect to hear either of the second two before the first from a native, but that might just be a hunch more than anything.

(Thanks for the fun discussion, anon. <3)

no no ones gonna say that in any circumstance ever

thats just not what you want the 太腿 to do

ひゅーー get these gay beginners outa here

>>20180502
have a seat at my djt dinner table https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqA1blQYLg8

>>20180502
this is the best that DJT has been in a while

>>20180515
yeah but you have to let me play my role of long time jaded shitposter so the beginners don't go getting confident with their garbage awful expressive ability in nijongo

>>20180497
so I was kind of right on my second try all along, but I do need to work on my understanding of special expressions like 'causative -te form'. Was more fun than doing anki though, cheers

>>20180497
>I will say that I would expect to hear either of the second two before the first from a native
I actually agree with that much. I just think that at the stage where someone is still mastering grammar it's not useful to nitpick sentences that are grammatically and logically correct on the grounds that they could be phrased better.

Learn to walk before you etc, and so on.

i guess just getting to level 2 is an achievement worthy of celebration

after all rome wasnt built in a day

みんなおつー!

>>20180060
かわいい

顔騎

>>20180128
This anime is probably one of the harder ones raw, nearly everyone has a different 方言 or 役割語.

>>20180350
Go back to fucking reddit.

>>20180421
Gotta use passive tense like a true 日本人.

>>20180556
みんな顔騎?

>龍が如く

>>20180611
next op

>>20180369
Only when you have a god-tier cast of characters to back it up. K-On is my favorite anime of all time (I'm on my sixth rewatch) and Hanahira's mind-numbingly retarded everything made me want to die when I tried to read it back when I was a beginner a couple years ago.

>>20180621

>>20180576
きょういちにち

にゅういん

Having a problem lately with understanding what I'm reading and wanted to know what you guys think

reading tsurezure children at the moment and a lot of the time I'll see a sentence, know all the vocab and grammar structures in said sentence but not understand it at all. I might be able to get a general idea but then I'll read the English version and it turns out I missed some seriously important nuance

So to get around this I read in this order

Chapter in Japanese first
re-read same chapter in English
Read again in Japanese to pick up what i missed

Is this a shit way to read? Trying to get away from english when I'm reading but if I drop it altogether, I'll end up missing something important

>>20180665
Same problem here. I have to reread things like 5 times to truly get it. I could use any tips anyone has.

1) watch 10000 hours of anime
2) read more

>>20180713
このまないたどもが

>>20180644
具合はどう

>>20180665
>Is this a shit way to read?
All you're really doing is missing out on more nihongo time by using it for english instead, but I'm not sure how relevant that is if you can't comprehend the original anyway no matter how hard you try. I guess it works as training wheels, but make sure you're still trying to understand the Japanese, especially if the English doesn't mesh with your comprehension.

What I'd be worried about is translations are largely complete shit and toss out nuance from the original every chance they get (though it can vary), so I would expect lots of places where it provides no help at all. At least that's been my experience when I tried to reference English translations. Are you sure you're actually getting a whole lot out of reading it in English?

先生が質問をたくさん聞かせてくれた
Like I thought this was
"The teacher made us listen to lots of questions"
but it was actually
"The teacher let (someone) ask lots of questions"
Japanese is going to take a while I guess..

Opinions on the Hiragana Quest app?

>>20180806
read until you stop having to look shit up and you're golden on kana

>>20180806
never heard of it but it sucks

>>20180789
i read that in cure dolly voice with the overly enunciated んが and everything

>>20180739
いいえ

はい

だいじょうぶです

>>20180823
辛くなったらわたしを頼って

何もなくてもわたしを頼って

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1oBi3VNN5k

>>20180820
cure dolly is by far the weirdest and best resource I've seen in a while

>>20180856
not sure that its the best but it certainly chugs forward like the proverbial train which is a big deal when all these other ninjas be standin still

>>20180350
You fell for a meme, congratulations. Now read something that's actually enjoyable or something you want to read. Unless it's some extreme shit like Dies Irae or Rewrite, VN difficulty matters much less than most people claim it to.

it just set in that ふともも thread really is the highest peak djt will ever reach

けんさのあいま

なにしようかな

どくしょかな

>>20181015
レッツshitposting

>>20180760
not that anon but whenever i'm having trouble with an LN and i compare it to (official) english translations i take it with a grain of salt. they're usually enough of a push in the right direction when i refer back to the japanese text.

>>20181025
れっつまじょくっきんぐー

Update from N1 Jeremy on his second time through RTK. Smart guy, using kana keywords from the start.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRuJni26v8Q

ハロウィン終わったど
クリスマスクッキングの時期だ

>言わなきゃなんね一の
I figured "言わなきゃ" is the slang version of "Must say", but I'm not quite sure what to make of "なんね一の"?

>>20181130
言わなければならない
... と思います

>>20181130
言わなければならないの
ければ can be slurred to きゃ and ラ行 sounds often slur to ん before ナ行 ones.
ない slurs to ねえ.

>>20181141
>ければ can be slurred to きゃ and ラ行 sounds often slur to ん before ナ行 ones.
Oh, I knew about this, but I thought "言わなきゃ" would have been enough when it comes to shortening the command form?

>>20181151
doesnt say the same thing

do　好きくない　and 好きじゃない　mean the same thing?

negatory

>>20181151
You can leave the ならない／いけない implied but that's not necessaily done all the time, it's just a specific way to use it.
It could be even more colloquial by leaving it out and say 言わなきゃなの? but the impression changes quite a bit.

>>20181193
好きくない isn't a word

aint aint a word but i aint about to stop usin aint

aint is a word

aint is a word and you aint even know english dot png

everyone we have an announcement to make

STOP ANKI

aint

manga aint reading

books aren't entertainment

anime aint tv

kinda surprises me that i only have to read like 20-50 books to get as much quality input as **t* has gotten. if you factor in that he said he's only read about 10 of those 50 books to completion, and the rest he dropped halfway through.

>>20181312
20-50 books is a fucktonne though

Reading 50 books in a year in your native language is a good achievement. Doing that in a second language you're not fluent in will take a decade unless you're a neet

>>20180789
くれる is often for receiving favors

>>20181319
isn't 20 books in a year easy as shit if you're reading 5 hours a day?

>>20181319
>20-50 books is a fuckton
that's not a lot for someone who likes to read, and as that anon said if it's compared to m*t* then that'd be spread out over what, 8 years?

>>20181333
if you read for 5 hours a day and only finish 20 books after a fucking year, you'd have to be rereading russian literature over and over. if you actually read that much you'd finish way more than 20

>>20181350
then divide that 5 hours into 2 and a half hours for the non-NEETs out there and have them read 30 books in a year. why did that guy say that's a lot.

>>20181312
Considering there is no way to ever know and he's probably lying/exagerating as usual I'd guess he's read 25 books and 3 to completion.

>>20181312
I haven't been keeping up to date on eceleb bullshit but where are you getting this? All I've seen him say is that he needed to read about 40 books before reading became easy, plus that comment where he mentioned reading a variety of authors.

>>20181193
すきくない


ばっちりつうじるんだけど

ぶんぽうはおかしいよ

>>20181370
this really makes japanese feel achievable, we can make it, がんばれ

>>20181404
It's achievable but I'm not sure why you're finding reassurance in some random made-up figure. You definitely gotta read a lot more than 3 books.

>>20181404
Isn't there like a weird 4 year gap where he didn't improve? I think he gave up for a while or something. I think anybody here could get to his level in like 3-4 years.

>>20181404
It takes 5000 hours to get to N1

N1 isn't fluency

reading 50 mangas aint fluency

>>20181319
>Reading 50 books in a year in your native language is a good achievement.
That's about 250-300 hours of reading, you could do that in two months if you cared to

>>20181397
https://youtu.be/OQ-YrNbMR0E?t=1129

>>20179963
>this is too long for a beginner
That was my worry.

The original name of the guide was "TL;DR Japanese Writing & Pronunciation Guide", but I had to throw away the "TL;DR" part about half-way through when I realised how long it was going to end up being. It really was my goal to keep things short and sweet and make a TL;DR guide that beginners could quickly read and learn all the essentials from, but it turned out that there was just so much to cover that keeping it short was impossible, at least for me. I have a really bad habit of being excessively verbose though so I'm sure someone could do a much better job of keeping it all concise than I did. I did make some contributions to the DJT guide itself at some point, and the maintainer was always able to cut my walls of text in half or better without losing anything important from what I had written.

>pronounced like the "a" in "cap".
>no
The approximate for the Japanese "a" that Wikipedia's Help:IPA/Japanese page had was the "a" in "father", which sounds nothing like the Japanese "a", at least with my accent. The problem here might be that I'm a Northern Britfag who doesn't speak RP or anything even close to it.

>pronounced like the "o" in "story"
>not an ideal example
Couldn't come up with a better one.

>typing section fails to mention less common combinations like ティ or at least how to type lone small kana, which seems to come up regularly here
Yeah, that was a bad oversight on my part. To be honest, by the time I got to the typing section I just wanted to get it over with so I rushed some bits towards the end.

>i think this and maybe other parts of the sentence card overview will irritate people, but i don't do sentences
You're referring to the full sentence bit? Sentence cards are typically an AJATT thing, and the way Khatz, Matt, etc. instruct beginners to use sentence cards in the very beginning has them using full translations of the sentences (either taken from Tae Kim's guide, a textbook like those JLPT Tango books, or from J-E dictionaries like Kenkyusha). I'm aware that the sentence card section is pretty biased, but I did try to give both sides of the argument in spite of my own opinion that they're not a good idea (the biggest problem being the sheer amount of time involved in making and reviewing them compared to the other options).


Anyhow, I don't think I'm going to attempt to fix any of this stuff. The goal was making a quick introductory guide for beginners and I clearly failed in that regard. I don't think the "Japanese Writing & Pronunciation Guide" belongs in the OP given its current length.

たいいんいわい

よういしてあるよね

>とても易しい: キノの旅
>易しい: ゼロの使い魔、文学少女
>普通: 古典部
>難しい: Ｒｅ：ゼロから始める異世界生活, 涼宮ハルヒ
>ま。。。まさか！！！: とある魔術の禁書目録

>>20181527
bold of you to assume anyone itt reads LNs

>>20181457
That's surprisingly low, but he said he read 10 nonfiction books in full and about 50 fiction books. He doesn't specify exactly how many fiction books he's read in full. I assume the 50 is a rough estimate adding up the various books he's dropped as fractions and not counting each dropped book as a full one, because that would be stupid.

>>20181527
I'm always looking for an ln to start me off. I've started like 5 now that were either too hard or not interesting enough. I'll check out the easy ones you said.

>>20178834
netlify update when

>>20181312
Ok but we talking books like volumes of manga or like ノルウェイの森？

>>20181555
Heads up if you try kino and find the prologue too difficult, skip it for now and just move on to the first chapter.

>>20181534
Really wanna read through 無職転生 but it's so fucking long. Not index levels of long but still

>>20179950
おい！俺の顔ん上に太腿で座ってぇ

>>20180021

Focus on listening and learning words first.

It's hella easy to learn Kanji if you know the words before the Kanji. Not sure why but everything seems to click. Must have something to do with how English is 100% phonetic and trying to match up symbols with meaning before knowing how a word sounds is dumb as shit.

I won't make this mistake with Chinese.

>>20181627
>English is 100% phonetic
nigga what?

mosi mosi

>>20180021
I would have learned RTK1 before starting learning Japanese.
I would have learned with textbooks all the way up to advanced.
I would have used Lingodeer at the same time as I worked with the textbooks(if it would have been as good as it is right now, the new update is so great. Haven't seen an app so far which feels like a game, but also is so helpful. I wish Anki had drag and drop options like Lingodeer.)
I would have used the Anki 6k deck at the same time as I would have started to learn with the textbooks

My biggest mistake was that I thought textbooks and Kanji are not necessary... Now I have to pay for my sins. After I realized textbooks go up to advanced and how good they are, I now realize that the shit textbooks I used in school for foreign languages have nothing in common with the good Japanese textbooks.

>learn hiragana and basic grammar focused things like wa, wo, no, ni, ga
>"wow this is a breeze! Just plug the words into a sentence!"
This was not a breeze.

Is there something I can do specifically on my phone when I'm away? Are any of the books from tae compatible with phones?

>>20180021
not quit the first time
not waste too much time on premade anki decks before starting input
jump straight into vns instead of manga
not let anki take up more than 25% of my Japanese time and uninstall immediately once it became a chore
not worry too much over whether I'm fully understanding what I consume or not
listen a lot more

>had trouble reading the tangent at the end of Goblin Slayer ch.15
>realize reading novels will be like that
my foreseeable future is not looking good

>>20181956
>not reading the novel in the first place

>>20179700
Matt "I hate Japan but I wish I could live there " Bonder
Matt "I hate Japanese people but I want to memorize the pitch accent of every word in the language so I can become the ichiban tsuyoi gaijin and impress them" Bonder
Matt "I regret learning Japanese and would stop myself from doing it if I could go back in time but I'm going to keep forcing myself to read things that I don't even enjoy so that I can get better at Japanese" Bonder
Matt "my method for learning Japanese made me grow to hate a language I once loved and now I'm going to pass it on to other people and subject them to the same misery while charging them for the privilege" Bonder

>>20180033
The scanlation of Yotsuba is absolute garbage and full of mistakes. Don't even use it as a reference, it will only hurt you.

The Yen Press release is a lot better, but you should try to avoid relying on English translations as a crutch as soon as possible.

>>20181114
>RTK
>second time through RTK
>Smart guy

>>20181552
>I assume the 50 is a rough estimate adding up the various books he's dropped as fractions and not counting each dropped book as a full one, because that would be stupid.
this is matt we're talking about here

https://youtu.be/HXzrkX3apOk?t=356

>>20181627
>English is 100% phonetic
https://youtu.be/tfRSvTSY0d4

>>20181755
はいきこえていますよ

跪く
蹲る
＞。＞もうあきらめたいんだ！

>>20182108
post your net gained

>>20182152
Net Matured Cards:
7.5 cards/day averaged over the deck life (1133 days)
6.7 cards/day averaged over the last year
1 card/day averaged over the last month
I just want to be done with this shit but I'm stuck.

>>20182159
>1 card/day averaged over the last month
ouch

at least you aren't in the red

でも
ぼくだって知てる
この人生の
ゼッタイダメだから

けど
これたった「持てる」
ってだけ
いけてる？なんだよ

なにかおはなしして

そしたらこわくない

>>20179774
Good for you but manga isn't reading.

>>20181580
Obviously not manga, manga isn't reading.

>>20182319
>manga isn't reading

>>20182319
what is manga

>>20182332
baby don’t hurt me

How long did it take you to start reading at a decent pace? I'm not really talking about accumulating enough vocabulary, just the speed at which you can read it. I've been learning for 5 months now and i only started reading after i hit 1000 words, but even when i know all the vocabulary in a sentence i'm still quite slow at reading it. Of course that's natural, just wondering how long it took you guys to get past the point of taking 1 minute per sentence.

>>20182366
Day 1 hour 1

>>20182366
Pretty quickly because I read shit that wasn't well-written and had no qualms about skipping difficult sections if understanding them didn't seem plot-critical.

>>20182366
bout tree fiddy

>>20181513
You're wasting your time.

At least give up on explaining the sound system. As for explaining what the writing systems actually are, use an image like this and give each system like three sentences max.

>>20179068
You can try all you want but you won't read it because manga isn't reading.

>>20182392
>manga isn't reading

Reading isn't manga.

It's way easier to remember word meanings than readings which is why RTK is dumb ( ´∀｀)

tfw you hear シンジケート and mistake it for real nihongo

>>20181206
>好きくない isn't a word
JMDict says it is. Sounds like the kind of language bydlo girls would use, anw.

Quite lost on what 見抜き means. I keep running into it lately, I found a pixiv article on it, but I'm not really good enough yet to be able to read it properly yet.

>>20182792
1. disliking; not liking
​Colloquialism, See also 好き すき,
grammatically incorrect negation of 好き

>>20182820
It's a pun on the word 見抜く(=to see through and detect something) using it to mean 見て抜く(=masturbate while looking at).

Anki has started randomly not playing audio for my cards. Sometimes it starts working again when I restart the program, sometimes not. How tf do I fix this

>>20182862
Oh, I see now. Thank you

>>20182867
Have you tried updating?

>>20182878
I'm on the latest version since I installed it a week ago on my new PC. I just reinstalled the program, maybe that'll work

>>20182899
What OS?

>>20182899
>maybe that'll work
It didn't

>>20182904
Windows 10 pro 64 bit. I'll try reverting to the 2.0 anki version for now

>>20182910
Didn't work either

>>20182910
>>20182923
The audio won't play on the browser version either what the FUCK I've been using this deck for months

>>20180021
Reading before hitting 10k in core crippled my japanese, if I could go back I would do RTK and power through Core10k without distracting myself with media because I feel like I'll burn out otherwise

>>20182910
>Windows 10 pro 64 bit
Don't know what to suggest in that case. If you were on gahnoo SLASH loonix I was going to tell you to make sure you get the package from the Anki website since I and many others have had problems with the versions of Anki that distros ship in their repos.

>>20182923
>>20182928
Only thing I can think of is to try installing mplayer. That's needed for audio support on Linux and I presume it is for Windows too.

>>20180060
solt

>>20182910
>>20182923
>>20182928
>>20182939
Another thought - maybe the audio is in an unsupported format, or the audio files themselves are broken.

Check the audio files are mp3 and try playing them in whatever program you use for listening to music.

>>20182939
>try installing mplayer.
It says installing mplayer.exe in the progress bar when installing anki but I'll give it a try
>>20182946
The audio files work on their own, are mp3 and have worked fine for the past 4 months. I don't get what the issue is.

>>20182960
>It says installing mplayer.exe in the progress bar when installing anki but I'll give it a try
Ah, I guess they have it bundled with the Windows release then. On Linux you have to install it separately.

Most likely you already have mplayer installed so this probably won't fix your problem. I don't know what else could be wrong. The fact that even 2.0 Anki is having problems is strange.

>>20182910
>Windows 10
found your problem.

>>20182960
Any luck or is it still not working?

>>20183048
It's working now but I'm not optimistic that it will stay that way since I did nothing to fix it

>>20183051
Literally as I post this comment and go to continue on the next card and it isn't working lmao

>>20183056
XD

How would a store clerk react if you told them to くだされ something?

its all in the delivery

how do I learn Japanese when I have 1-2 weeks of the month where I am so depressed I can't force myself to bathe or eat let alone study moon runes

learn to derive happiness from the hanzi and cure your utsu

>>20183180
You stop being such a faggot and learn japanese or you keep being a whiny shitter and don't learn japanese

>>20183180
make the most of the other 2-3 weeks

>>20183180
stop studying japanese and start learning it

start doing the thing that you wanted to learn japanese so that you could do

>>20183212
I agree but I guess I'm too weak to overcome it
>>20183259
I am but once again it's a case of me imagining something in my head I think will give me joy and then realizing upon sinking way too many hours in to it that I was just lying to myself the whole time

i wonder if we can get the medical community to properly recognize that studying japanese when you dont know japanese is a real mental disorder

>>20183278
Get therapy or otherwise tell people who care about you about this stuff instead of asking for help on an anonymous imageboard?

i studied japanese when i didn't know japanese, but i ended up knowing japanese later through an unrelated series of events so everything turned out ok

>>20183278
>and then realizing upon sinking way too many hours in to it that I was just lying to myself the whole time
Who cares? If you're having fun in the moment, what's wrong with that?

Your problem is that you think about things too much. Forget the past, forget the future, and just do whatever it is that you want to do right now.

imagine enjoying anime in the moment for like 10000 hours

>>20183294
I haven't spoken to another person in weeks, just wanted a few (you)s to be honest. I've done the therapy/antidepressant thing for years, it hasn't helped me
>>20183297
Maybe I poorly phrased what I said, I started learning thinking that I'd enjoy being able to consume native content but then realized by the time I could, that like everything else, I derive no joy/pleasure from it.

>>20183294
>therapy
Meme institution created by the government so it can steal even more of your money by selling you heaps of medicine that doesn't actually do anything.

you do know theres therapy that doesnt medicate you right look up cbt and then feel the blinding satori as all my posts suddenly make sense

>>20182705
tfw you hear spanish and mistake it for real nihongo

ah yes I see, I am too a big fan of cock and ball torture

>tfw you've been learning japanese for a year and still understand more spanish that you picked up from watching telenovelas with your grandma 15 years ago

destroy your fuckin junk idiot

>tfw you failed spanish in highschool but still think you can learn japanese

anki is so effective for vocab that i could probably become conversational in german and spanish again in a few months just based on the vague feel I still have for the syntax and grammar

>>20181416
he studied for like 3-4 years and then started coasting i think. or maybe he kept mining rare vocab.

>>20183308
i wish I could give you a (You) in real life friend

>living in Japan for years
>has never posted a video of himself having a full on conversation in Japanese

Just how fucking bad is his nihongo

>>20181552
later in the conversation y*** and m*** clarify how many books they finished to completion and how many they dropped halfway through. m*** said he only read 10 through to completion.

>>20183308
>by the time I could, that like everything else, I derive no joy/pleasure from it.
I chase whatever I'm preoccupied with and enjoy the rare spurts of actual feeling as they come without expecting them. It helps to make something that other people can maybe enjoy like a translation or song, too.

>>20181513
>The approximate for the Japanese "a" that Wikipedia's Help:IPA/Japanese page had was the "a" in "father", which sounds nothing like the Japanese "a", at least with my accent. The problem here might be that I'm a Northern Britfag who doesn't speak RP or anything even close to it.
The "a" in father definitely sounds like the japanese "a" in standard American English.

>>20183373
wow

I'll be better than Matt within a year guaranteed

>>20183372
Don't bully the cynical brit, you idiot.

>nuke-chan has 49 more to go and he'll have read more books in japanese than matt

>>20183388
I like your videos Chris but your nihongo sucks!

>>20183373
Can't believe he made fun of JFZ George because he never read a book when he himself barely read any either.

>>20183391
can't believe nuke finally saw the light and started reading

he will actually become good at Japanese

end of an era lads

>>20183391
nuke finished a novel?

>>20180021
I wouldn't have done RTK for 3 months before starting to read, or at least I would have done lazy kanji instead. I got into several drawn out debates about the merits of RTK on DJT, and although I won all those debates I was still wrong. One anon even told me that I would regret it and I told him I wouldn't. I should have realized Matt wasn't infallible (although he's still a great man).

>>20183408
actually no he's still on chapter 7

https://youtu.be/RCnXyEIcbRw?t=2863

it's close though, probably still further than matt got with half of his unfinished reads

>>20183417
go for it nuke-chan

that's just an LN though, i doubt matt-sama was counting those when he was talking about fiction novels