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This is a MAINICHI JAPANESE THREAD designed by around those who indulge in Honorable Nippon media such as o-anime, o-manga (not reading), o-sake, o-ramen, go-light novels, and go-video games.
If you have no interest in the above, delete go-Anki at once and read NHK EASY please.

Read the news before asking stupid questions.
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/

THE O-GAIDO:
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/

TBS NEWS (Intermediate news for people who have pretty much had it with NHK Easy but aren't ready for NHK Normal news yet)
https://news.tbs.co.jp/index.html

DISCLAIMER: Besides Immersing/Listening/Reading more, no other methods have been proven to improve your Japanese. Any advice that ISN'T "Immerse, listen, and read more" should be taken with a grain of salt.

>> No.20016926

I love learning Japanese. It's fun!

>> No.20016953
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20016953

itsu demo ii yo

>> No.20016980

>>20016926
好きは物の上手なれ

>> No.20017062

ohio go cheesestake

>> No.20017065

>>20017062
Na-nanny?

>> No.20017076

1500 words into core 2k deck and my retention is down to 70% on average, despite lowering new words per day to 5.

Should I just kys myself? Also, as someone who is not interested in watching manga it's hard for me to find compelling reading material

>> No.20017078

>>20017076
Then start reading it

>> No.20017079

>>20017076
Post your whole stats and how your anki sessions go

>> No.20017085

>>20017076
Why are you studying Japanese? Go do that.

>> No.20017093

>>20017085
So I can go on tinder and fuck japanese girls

>> No.20017104

japs use tinder for longterm relationships. not for a one night stand like in the us

>> No.20017110

>>20017076
Start writing Kanji down. Too many kids think there is some special shortcut to learning a new language that we just didn't know about until now. Bullshit. It requires countless hours of writing the same kanji, page after page. You can't get to the end goal without the training.

I was in the same situation as you. I burned it all down and started over. Now, I methodically burn every single new kanji into my brain until I can read and write in a moment's notice. Clicking "yes" on a flashcard isn't enough. Imagine you had an exam tomorrow and you had to get an A to pass the test. And then do that the next day. And the next day. For 3 fucking years.

>> No.20017111

>>20017104
Untrue as I have fucked 2!!! English speaking Japanese girls in the past 5 months and I only hooked up with them because they wanted to show me Tokyo and Osaka respectively
Pro tip: contrary to what most people say they find foreigners intriguing. Of course only if you're at least a 7/10

>> No.20017120

>>20017110
Well I have about 900 mature words so I think it should be possible to just brute force the rest too.

>> No.20017123
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20017123

no fucking way

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20017144

Just made the jump from NHK Easy to TBS News and holy shit this is a much bigger jump than that one anon made it out to be when he said TBS is the next step as far as News outlets go. I was at the point where NHK Easy articles usually had 1-3 new words, TBS all have like 30 and most of them are pretty obscure terms it feels like.

Is there really nothing between NHK Easy and TBS?

>> No.20017159

>雨のち晴れ
what does this mean, ive seen it in titles of 2 songs already

>> No.20017167

>>20017159
Sounds like good weather after rain

>> No.20017169

>>20017167
damn, that must be it
what's up with のち construction tho?

>> No.20017172

>>20017120
How do you have 900 mature words with 1500 total and 70% retention? That doesn't make any sense. You must be moving at a snail's pace. and if so then it's no wonder why your retention is so low.

>> No.20017178

>>20017144
visual novels and manga, i recommend taking a side of Japanese YouTube to balance out your diet

>> No.20017183

>>20017076
Start mining instead like I told you to bud. And turn leech suspension back on or at least move them into another deck manually.

>> No.20017196

>>20017178
>Visual Novels
I guess but VNs aren't all one difficulty level. The nice thing about NHK Easy and other news outlets is that you essentially get something of the same level of difficulty every single day to read, like clockwork.

>> No.20017199

>>20017183
>And turn leech suspension back on
Why? They have a "mark" feature that you can use to mark any card. Instead of having a system forcibly remove a card, just mark problem cards as they appear and study them individually. No need to have them suspended.

>> No.20017200

>>20017196
Keep reading shit level shit if you want to stay shit level

>> No.20017204

>>20017196
vns are very internally consistent and have a lot of text so just fine something that works and go with it

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20017208

yoshi time for reading

>> No.20017209

>>20017199
so they don't clog up your normal reviews and artificially lower your retention stats duh
you can unsuspend them manually if you actually want to study them individually otherwise just let them get hidden away
they're called leeches for a reason

>> No.20017210

>>20017200
Maybe you should read more higher level English because you clearly didn't get the meaning of any of my posts up until this point.

>>20017204
I get what you're saying, I guess I'll just find something I can read then grind it. The good thing about the news outlets is that it's essentially infinite material and you never have to look for another "vn" again until that outlet becomes too easy.

>> No.20017214

>>20017110
you are deficient. please for love of god dont do kanji by rote

>> No.20017216

>>20017199
What that guy said.

>> No.20017219

Crap I hope I can learn it fast, I really need this when I listen to music doujins.

>> No.20017225

>>20017169
>のち
http://maggiesensei.com/2018/01/22/how-to-use-後-あと-ato/

>> No.20017230

>>20017209
>artificially lower your retention stats duh
Wait, what?
If you fail to retain a card, then that is not artificially lowering your retention rate. That is actually not retaining information. Doesn't matter if its the same card. It is an actual representation of how well you are able to retain this knowledge to long term memory.

>> No.20017251

people have weird expectations of anki

>> No.20017255

Anyone else been unable to access 5ch at all for a while now?
I used to go there to practice reading internet lingo, but now every single board returns a blank page if I'm not visiting it through TOR, and even then I have to retry until one of my nodes bypasses whatever block is in place by pure chance.

Have they blocked certain countries from accessing again? I couldn't find any info about that in English or Japanese.

>> No.20017256

>>20017144
There's no avoiding this kind of difficulty spike when it comes to news. NHK EASY is meant to be a taste of grammar and vocabulary, but remember that even EASY was hard once upon a time, and that you were constantly mining stuff, mis-reading common Kanji, and not getting the very basic grammar. Must be just brushing N3 levels at times, but mostly hovering around N4

The real secret of NHK EASY/TBS is that you can literally listen to the article word-for-word since NHK has the read-bot option and TBS is just transcripts of broadcasted news. The vocab is generally simpler to reflect that sort of spontaneity.

NHK 普通 is where you start getting into more "written" stuff which brings up the difficulty, but will generally enrich your vocabulary. Especially the NEWS UP! Articles, those tend to be excellent and dive deep into particular subjects. Lots of oddly-specific vocabulary to be found, but it gets easier as you go along.

>> No.20017274

i just listened to actual nhk news from the beginning,,,

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20017276

any picture like strokes starting from top vs from left for 右 左
but for when to make that dot atop of day radical like in pic related?

>> No.20017281

>>20017276
12 is after 11 and before 13

>> No.20017282

>>20017256
>The real secret of NHK EASY/TBS is that you can literally listen to the article word-for-word since NHK has the read-bot option and TBS is just transcripts of broadcasted news.
Why would I listen to the article that I've already read if I'm not super autistic about vocab retention in SRS way? Japanese has such easy pronunciation that I knew it from day 1 (maybe Anglos struggle because your language isn't written as it is spoken), beginners shouldn't bother about pitch accent, should we? Listening to the same dry stuff may be redundant.

>> No.20017283

>>20017281
I meant when it is written with 者 and when not
non-RTK fags have no idea what I'm talking about though

>> No.20017285

>>20017282
Because once you're comfortable reading it, there's a decent chance your listening is fucking dogshit and these news outlets are EXCELLENT places to hone your under-developed listening comprehension.

>> No.20017286

>>20017285
OK I'll try to do that and report back in some time. But I predict that I can parse sentences pretty well at this point, especially if they are presented in ultra-clear and slow way it is presented in those audio transcripts, that are nothing like real life.

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20017297

lmao, he's lost at least 25 followers
expect some pathetic and desperate thing coming from him to attract more gajin

>> No.20017354

whats a place i could upload shadowing 1 audio? asking for a friend

>> No.20017441

>>20017256
A very well thought out post, thanks. I have been having trouble getting TBS audio but Ill figure that out myself.

>> No.20017447

>>20017255
Works fine for me in Canada, though all the pink boards send me back to the homepage.

>> No.20017456

>>20017123
i blame you anon. i blame you.

>> No.20017457

>>20017255
>>20017447

It's because of GDPR making it illegal to steal customer data from European users.
Hiroshima figured it would be easier to just cut off the whole continent, because EU IPs would just waste bandwidth without giving him tasty data to sell to advertising companies.

The pink boards are blocked in all countries with possibly problematic legislation.
Canada was blocked way back when they first declared that 2D was the same as real life CP, making Hiroshima block the 18+ part of the site since he didn't want to deal with bogus accusations of hosting CP.

>> No.20017488

get cucked EU
fucking faggots trying to make rules to control the internet
block them, block them all. this is no man's land, not something to be controlled by you fucking losers.

>> No.20017518

>>20017488
t. アメリカ人の56パーセント

>> No.20017523

>>20017518
The difference between Americans and Europeans is we don't stand for being cucked, especially by other nations.

>> No.20017542

アメリカ人は頭が良くない

>> No.20017585

>>20017488
I don't think you understand how the GDPR works.
The EU isn't blocking anything, it's the sites who would rather block Europe rather than stop stealing data.
It's not some draconian continental block decided by the EU, it's sites openly admitting that they have no use in you as a user if they can't cannibalize your digital corpse for data to resell.

>> No.20017608

>>20017585
I don't care if the regulations are for or against privacy. I don't care what the regulations are at all. I want nothing to do with anything related to legislation that seeks to control the internet.

The GDPR is legislated by the EU, so that is who I'm pointing and laughing at. If and when NA or any other nation does something similar, I will do the same to them. But to this day, the EU has absolutely been the worst offender when it comes to enacting legislation aimed at regulating the internet and it's unimpeded information flow.

>> No.20017629

>>20017608
Also worth mentioning that I don't mind companies blocking EU at all when they try to pull this shit. Companies don't have to bow down to some fucking losers telling them how to run their business. Let them sell info if they want, it's a free society. That's capitalism and it is beautiful.

>> No.20017634

>>20017608
It seems like you still don't understand.
The GDPR doesn't control what is transmitted on the internet.
The GDPR doesn't block any content from being displayed.
The GDPR doesn't regulate ANTYHING as far as internet content is concerned.

What it does is stop companies from mining your computer for data like malware does.
Nothing the EU does even comes close to what the US is trying to do with allowing non-neutral "bandwidth lanes" as far as being villainous goes, so what are you getting all up in arms about?

>> No.20017640

>>20017634
See >>20017629
Probably should have added that to my first post but hey, it's 6 AM.

>> No.20017656

アメリカじんは

にほんが8-10のとき

ぜんぜんいない

>> No.20017682

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TlIUjgnIlc

オーストリア人に馬鹿にされるアメリカ人

>> No.20017719

>>20011755
>What is RTK?
individual kanji study. it's basically the equivalent of lifting weights. sure, you could become competent at something through natural movement/bodyweight exercise, but it'll be a hell of a lot easier if you start lifting weights.

>> No.20017737

>>20017634
They're about to require the upload filter and link tax, which IS going to control what is transmitted on the internet and generally shit on any website that deigns to serve Europeans.

>> No.20017767

アメリカとにほんは

じさがびみょうで

リアルタイムで

いっしょになにかするっての

むずかしい

>> No.20017810

kanaposting needs to stop
it hurts my eyes
かな掲示をやめてください
目は流出した

>> No.20017846

>>20017810
ひらがなとカタカナを

ちゃんとよめるようになるのは

ちかみち
royal load

だよ

>> No.20017867

>>20017846
あなたの メッセージ こと分かりません
日本語を勉強してください

>> No.20017883

>>20017457
>making Hiroshima block the 18+ part of the site since he didn't want to deal with bogus accusations of hosting CP.
An Hiro hasn't administered 2ch/5ch in close to a decade.

>> No.20017910

eurofags cant access 2ch or whatever but im sure i stumbled upon sites that were perfect copies of it
>In response, Nishimura created his own clone of 2channel at 2ch.sc (ja),[23] scraping the contents of the entire 2channel website and costing the original 2channel website significant bandwidth costs. Currently 2ch.sc continues to scrape the contents of 2channel in real-time.

>> No.20017911

How hard on yourselves are you guys when it comes to failing cards? Is it "I didn't know exactly what that was, immediate fail", or "I basically knew what it was / I will learn it eventually - pass"?

>> No.20017918

>>20017911
When you fail a card uninstall Anki and start reading

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>>20016915
Why are we linking these shitty news sites in the OP now? News is not compelling content, and a handful of ~5-sentence-long NHK Easy articles a day aren't going to get you anywhere.

>> No.20017947

>>20017911
I make a simple standard for each card and keep to it. Vocab ->Reading, meaning. If a word has various meanings and I can't handle all of them I focus on getting one or two right and then take note of the other meanings when it's shown afterwards.

>> No.20017956

>>20017947
Personal deck? In core only one meaning is shown per card.

I've become super strict lately because I'm sick of failing the same shit. If I don't understand it with 100% certainty I'll just fail it. Not sure if that's the best thing to do.

>> No.20017958

>>20017867
Sorry but if you can't read imoutoposts you're the one who needs to be studying, not him. Try reading them to yourself out loud.

>> No.20017964

>>20017958
Then you try to translate this shit >>20017846
The second half doesn't even make sense.

>> No.20017970

>>20017911
Can read and more or less get the meaning right -> pass.
Stop droning and read already.

>> No.20017975

>>20017144
How about you read something fun instead? Wait, no, then you might actually learn Japanese.

>> No.20017976

>>20017970
>Stop droning and read already.
What's wrong with me doing both? My question was aimed at Anki, I never said it's all I was doing.

You guys seriously overestimate the amount of pure-Anki drones. I am willing to bet money that the vast majority of people in this thread read.

>> No.20017987

>>20017956
Yes, it's a core deck that I've turned into a mining deck.
What you're doing is fine. Being less strict (only a bit) sometimes is also fine. Just never stop studying. Pay special attention to the cards that you fail again and again. Study them outside of anki.

>> No.20017989

>>20017964
Becoming able to read hiragana and katakana properly is the royal road. It's a shortcut.

>> No.20017992

>>20017976
Droning is doing core decks and other stupid shit instead of learning the vocab organically. You mentioned personal deck, so I assumed you don't have a mining deck.

>> No.20017996

>>20017989
>Becoming able to read hiragana and katakana properly is the royal road. It's a shortcut.
No it's not. It's stupid. That's like saying I'm not fluent in English because I can't understand some of a pre-preschooler's drivel. Doesn't make any sense.

>> No.20017999

>tfw you didn't realize there was a dojg anki deck that uses random example sentences for each point to stop you from memorizing the sentence instead of the particle but you're already 150 cards into the deck so you don't want to switch over

>> No.20018003

>>20017992
I have a yomi-chan deck. Problem is I keep finding the vocab I've added to it later on in Core so the deck becomes more and more useless.

>> No.20018009

>>20017996
No, i'm saying that's what that post said.
Spoken japanese doesn't have kanji btw

>> No.20018012

>>20018003
You should ditch core instead. Words you mined from a real context are much easier to remember.

>> No.20018013

>>20018003
Fuse them.

>> No.20018019

>>20018009
>Spoken japanese doesn't have kanji btw
Spoken Japanese has context. Kana is extremely limited, without context as pure-kana sentence is nonsense. There are way too many words that share the same phonetics, and particles become lost in the noise without spaces.

>> No.20018029

>>20018013
I'm 2k words into core and my yomi-chan deck is nothing compared to that, a merge would be mostly inconsequential.

>>20018012
Maybe. But you aren't considering that I do come across words that are in core for context anyways, that is not something exclusive to mined decks.

>> No.20018038

必殺:見てみぬふり

>> No.20018046

>>20018019
Write a kana sentence of nontrivial length that you think would be difficult to comprehend.

>> No.20018065

>>20018029
Then ditch your mining deck and start importing to your core deck.

>> No.20018075

>>20018019
Imouto usually posts pretty clear messages though, considering they're usually like 4 words long and 3 of those words are nouns AND he puts line breaks. Just read more. Go play some famicom jrpgs.

>> No.20018077

Uninstalled anki and deleted my deck because I wasn't really using it these past months anyways.

I'm just gonna keep consuming content until I'm fluent, maybe take the N1 exam next year or so.

Thanks for taking your time to read my blog post. I really appreciate it.

>> No.20018084

>>20018029
If you don't have any problem with the word then it shouldn't be in your deck, if you still find it tricky you can always mine it back later. By suspending the core deck you will get rid of a lot of vocabulary that is useless for you now, letting you focus on what is really important.

>> No.20018089

>>20018084
There are words that I don't have any problems with, then 3 months later it pops up and I don't know what the fuck it is.

Sucks having the memory of a goldfish.

>> No.20018095

>>20018089
That's how I mined back 過去 3 days ago.

>> No.20018105

>>20018089
Forgetting some words is fine. What's your mature stats?

>> No.20018109

>>20018095
But suspending everything and then selectively bringing them back seems like more hassle than just clicking "good" on them when they occasionally pop up, which isn't very often if you have passed them several times.

But you have given me a good idea to just suspend every single loan word card, I don't understand why they are even in there.

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>>20018105

>> No.20018129

>>20018089
If you encounter those words in an actual sentence with context you won't have that problem.
Just because you fail them in anki doesn't mean you don't know them or that your memory is bad.

>> No.20018153

>>20018128
You look fine. Study leeches outside of anki and keep a context field for most words. If after that you're still not satisfied with your mature rate then try setting your interval modifier to something like 70%. That will mean you'll be getting a lot more reviews though.

>> No.20018185

>>20018153
I don't really know what a good mature rate is because I never really cared about other people's progress, that kind of thinking is only demoralizing. I'm not even very keen on the "true retention" thing, it makes it some kind of contest and it is an irrelevant statistic. Instead of leeching, I just use the "mark" feature to study the problem cards marked individually.

>> No.20018192

>>20018089
to help better remember words i often associate them with a certain tone so when i repeat the word back i remember it's a word having to do with regret, sadness, happiness, etc.

but beyond that i wouldn't worry about it and just keep reading. above 80% is good.

>> No.20018240

>>20018185
The stats are there for you to track your own progress and to help in modifying anki settings/study methods.

>> No.20018283 [DELETED] 

How do I check what part of an anki deck I've finished?

>> No.20018300

>>20017488
unfortunately it was no mans land 15 to 20 years ago

now its every mans land

you cant recreate any stage of our growing net

even now its still part of the process that in 20 years someone will look back fondly on

>> No.20018556

Question. If I were to move/merge all of the cards from one deck into another, what would happen to those cards? As in, do they keep their schedule status, or get put into the unseen queue, or what?

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>>20017123
This is awesome now he just needs to start reading Oreimo.

>> No.20018658

>>20018556
They keep their scheds.

>> No.20018712

>>20017946
>News is not compelling
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

>> No.20018715

>>20017076
same thing happened to me. I finished rtk, but my reviews were like 700+ per day at the end. I couldn't keep up everyday so they snowballed and I ended up deleting it. The good news is that I know all of the joyo set albeit only about 70% efficiently. It gave me a huge reading boost in just a few months time.

>> No.20018725

>>20018046
はははははとわらう

>> No.20018729

>>20017144
>>20017210
>>20017282
>>20017285
>>20017256
news posters -> /int/

The only acceptable reading material here is VN's and LN's

>> No.20018738

I waste a whopping 15 minutes doing 20 new cards a day in anki and then read with the rest.

>> No.20018752

>>20018738
15 whole minutes? Yea that leaves virtually no time left for reading. And I bet that 15 minutes is grueling and destroys your motivation. So you'll never learn Japanese.

>> No.20018768

>>20018752
I mean 15 minutes doing something both useless and unenjoyable is not something to encourage. Doing nothing with that 15 minutes is a better use of time.

>> No.20018820

なのかなかだのかかなだかなの
i can't fucking remember what these random sentence endings mean.

>> No.20018834

>>20018738
>15 minutes doing 20 new cards
Do you even look at the cards or you just hold space?

>> No.20018842

>>20018768
>useless
Bookworms are just as bad as anki drones sometimes, holy shit.

>> No.20018854

>>20018834
I read the word, listen to the audio, read the example sentence, and use it in my own sentence. I usually recall it after 1 seeing , 20 words take 15 minutes.

>> No.20018864

>>20018854
15 minutes is not long enough to memorize 20 new cards, not even temporarily. You are actually wasting your time if that is all you can afford to do.

>> No.20018873

I just finished core 3k and decided to start reading. For some reason though I can't understand anything, including the words I studied in core. Does this mean I did core wrong or should I have done the 6k deck instead?

>> No.20018877

>>20018864
So what do you do?

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>>20018768
you cant expect people itt to understand the benefits of being disciplined with time management when they are not already so

just let the grains of sand they call their lifetime slip through their fingers it is the fate of the average iq

>> No.20018893

>>20018712
>no your opinion is born from a mentally lazy and hostile environment and you need to consider that you are in fact, a mistaken mental parody, man creature

>> No.20018894

>>20018873
should have done core while you read so that core acted as a supplement that could help you pay more attention to the words you're encountering. don't pay attention to the liars who claim reading alone is enough for a beginner. i know first hand that it's not.

>> No.20018907

>>20018894
I prefer different methods of Japanese learning, but the calligraphy is always festive! You sleepy weepy
weaboo.

>> No.20018908

Anki is a tool used by people who have no discipline and incapable of self starting in order to force themselves to "study" everyday and give themselves the feeling of making meaningful progress by looking at there statistics. The problem is that anki does not teach you any japanese and actively makes your actual study worse by making you feel like don't need to do it as frequently and make you think about mining cards instead of actually enjoying the content. It is actively harmful for learning Japanese for these reasons. Stop using it if you actually want to learn the language. For people who lack direction just make arbitrary reading and listening goals like 1000 hours of anime or 20 novels.

>> No.20018912

>>20018864
You're wasting even more time, if that's less than how much time it takes you every day to review and learn new cards.

>> No.20018924

my suggestion is to let the noobs die and only save the ones who show any sort of distinguishing characteristic

just like only 1 sperm can make it to the egg its survival of the fittest mother fuckers

>> No.20018925

>>20018908
bunch of random garbage. i read a minimum of 2 hours every day and use anki as a supplement for that. that reading still isn't doing jack shit for me. stop pretending to know what works for everyone.

>> No.20018933

>>20018925
maybe the reading is doing jack shit because you have not been doing it for very long and you are using anki which actively makes immersion less effective.

>> No.20018943

>>20018908
Its just a tool to take advantage of the way memory works. I think it's algorythm is bad though. That's probably why many people think it's not usefull. I use the undo feature a lot and I also click wrong on cards I technically know if I feel it's taking me too long to recall them. Anything over 6 seconds is wrong.

>> No.20018952
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>>20018878
>just let the grains of sand they call their lifetime slip through their fingers it is the fate of the average iq
Isn't that exactly what you're doing by shitposting here 24/7?

>> No.20018958

>>20018933
30 minutes of daily anki makes two hours of daily reading for a month ineffective? surely i should see some sort of progress by now right? maybe know a couple hundred words? i only know around 100 words. after a month.

if i cut my reading time and dedicated an hour to grammar point and vocab cards i'd probably be a lot better off. but for some reason i just keep going because everyone here insists that reading is how you learn, even though it's not doing anything for me.

>> No.20018970

>>20018952
just let him do it. it's the fate of the average iq

>> No.20018974

posting itt is fun but its hardly a time investment for me like it clearly is for you

>> No.20018975

>>20018958
You need to be watching raw anime. It seems that is the true reason. Use your 2.5 hours spending 1.5 hours watching raw sol anime or shows you have already seen. then the last hour reading something you really want to read.

>> No.20019009

>>20018975
have been. 2 hours a day. i actually prioritize that above all else but it just reinforces words i've encountered in anki.

>> No.20019053

How many sentences should you be getting through per hour as a beginner? I got through about 47 today.

>> No.20019060

>>20019009
Consuming media that is both comprehensible(You understand what is going on but not necessarily what exactly is being said) and compelling is the only thing that is proven to work. Just keep doing that and you will learn over time. Have a nice day.

>> No.20019067

>>20019060
i'll keep it up but i'm gonna be fucking pissed if i make less progress than people who used anki more than i did. and i'll make sure to post about it in this thread so that newbies don't get fucking lied to/mislead.

>> No.20019109

Now that I've mastered Japanese grammar all that's left is learning the 8,000 remaining words I don't know.

>> No.20019123

>>20019067
Give me a date to put on my calender when you will return to have your spergy tantrum. I rarely visit this thread but I think It will be ちょ面白い

>> No.20019145

>>20019123
i don't know. sometime next summer.

>> No.20019149

>>20019109
>8,000
>He doesn't know

>> No.20019165

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17hxOewlv0o

>> No.20019188

>>20019165
>鬱

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>>20019188

>> No.20019217

>>20018958
There's no way you've read for 60 hours and only learned 100 words from it. Either you're overestimating how much you read or you're wasting too much time analyzing the more difficult sentences when you should just be skipping them and moving on to sentences you can understand.

>> No.20019236

>>20019217
probably the latter but i don't know if that can explain it because i just don't really remember words that i read with the exception of a few unimportant words i posted before like ぬいぐるみ. but i don't remember the words i see more frequently like ように (until i started using anki for it).

>> No.20019254

>>20019217
When should you stop analyzing those sentences?

>> No.20019257

>>20019236
That's because you don't see them in enough contexts. Your aim should be to maximize the amount of text you read and number of sentences you can understand per hour. If you have to reread something more than once or for more than 30 seconds to figure it out just skip it.

>> No.20019270

>>20019254
It's up to you, but you shouldn't spend too long, maybe a minute at most. If it's important to the plot then reread it, or read ahead some and then look back to see if the context made it clear, but otherwise you shouldn't be afraid to skip things you didn't fully comprehend. You're probably misunderstanding a lot of it anyway.

>> No.20019324

>>20019254
when you realize you should just watch 10000 hours of anime w/ eng subs and try again later

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Middle bubble
>Please find only your shameful crying spirit
???
I don't think I'm interpreting けがれなき right but I can't figure out what else it must be.

>> No.20019362

>>20019324
You'll probably deny it but you're the guy who spams the thread with this shit right? You just don't always use your trip?

>> No.20019376

>>20019362
its not spam its what you actually need to do

you dont like it because you cant attain it in a day or a week or even a month

cry baby and writhe in your own ineptitude

>> No.20019383

>>20019361
https://jisho.org/search/けがれのない

>> No.20019392

>>20019383
How did ない turn into なき and what does it mean? I've never seen that conjugation before.

>> No.20019404

>>20017255
All of 5ch gives you a blank page and HTTP 451 (Unavailable for legal reasons) if you are in the EU. This is because gookmoot's data harvesting cannot be easily adapted to fit GDPR guidelines, so he just shut the site off for the EU.

>> No.20019409

>>20019392
You should probably stop watching manga and find more lingustically challenging media then.

>> No.20019412

10000 hours of anime is 26087 episodes assuming that each is 23 minutes long. If every series you watch is 26 episodes long, that makes about 1000 series. You can't seriously tell me you think there's that many shows worth watching.

>> No.20019423

A standard 2 cour anime is 24 episodes long not 26 you noob you can't even get basic facts right so shut the f*ck up please

>> No.20019424

i can and i will

watch them now and prime yourself to learn japanese the right way or be doomed to a lifetime of fail and aids

>> No.20019435

thx for bleeping your swear but in the good old days it was 26 and no final ep blu ray bull shit either !!

>> No.20019436

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTR4qjrUo-o
How much of this video can people on here understand?

>> No.20019438

>>20019392
just like in 素晴らしき日マ.

>> No.20019450

>>20019438
I don't know what it means there either or how it differs from the normal 素晴らしい

>> No.20019451

>>20019423
>calling me a noob when you're a dumb bluray era pup
Nice try but sit down and let me suck your dick you doofus

>>20019424
I'm watching all of urusei yatsura right now and it's extremely good but there just aren't enough shows at the level i want

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>>20019436
im not watching all of that but i did give it exactly 1 minute got normie aids and shut it off

>>20019451
watch creamy mami dude ftw

>> No.20019474

>>20019436
I was going to say nothing but this hikakin fellow was a nice boy and put on some crisp subtitles for the newbies so about tree fiddy

>> No.20019484

>>20019450
Yeah I'm not spoonfeeding you.

>> No.20019485

>>20019392
>>20019450
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/連体形

>> No.20019491

>>20019450
dude you can find the answer on djts favorite website now stfu noob and watch creamy mami https://jisho.org/search/%E7%84%A1%E3%81%8D

>> No.20019508

>>20019436
If this is the standard then apparently it takes less than 445 hours of anki to learn Japanese.

>> No.20019516

>>20019491
That's 無き not 素晴らしき
The jisho definition of 素晴らしき is the same as the definition of 素晴らしい which tells me nothing about the き conjugation and what it means.

>>20019485
Can't understand this.

>> No.20019524

>>20019516
i was answering this >>20019392 which is where yalls tard fit began now stfu dont dont @ me unless its about epic anime thx

>> No.20019528

>>20019508
I have 150 hours on Anki and I understood the whole video. Stop using core and start sentence mining please

>> No.20019533

>>20019516
Well golly, I'm sorry it had to come to this but I guess you're just gonna have to learn Japanese then.

>> No.20019539

>>20019533
That's what I'm trying to do. Retard.

>> No.20019565

how are you trying

>> No.20019579

Gunbuster is a good show and its short so if you havent seen it, well *wiggly eyebrows* you know what to do

>> No.20019601

>>20019528
I don't think I did core 10k three times but ok.

>> No.20019603

woudla been cool if anno did more shit like top o nerae instead of eventually ruining anime forever with aidsvangelion

>> No.20019607

>>20019361
what is this and tell me he takes the brown girl and rails her on a nightly basis

>> No.20019613

>>20019603
Evangelion only ruined anime by being so good that everything after it tried to mimic what made it good with only a skin deep understanding of why it was good and now we have unlimited rei clones

>> No.20019619

>>20019607
アルカフス
>Not taking the flat chested cutie on the right of the middle girl

>> No.20019621

>>20019601
What did you do then anon

>> No.20019628

>>20019621
10000 hours of peppa pig

>> No.20019630

>>20019619
so im looking at the mu page for this and the cover features a whopping zero brown girls tsk thanks comrade but things are already looking grim

>> No.20019633

watch that fucken pig

>> No.20019643 [DELETED] 

>>20019630
>Liking niggers

>> No.20019652

>>20019643
you cant say that word or youll get in trouble

>> No.20019655

>>20019652
Says who

>> No.20019658

It'd be めちゃくちゃ hilarious if so many people reported that dude for racism outside of /b/ that he got banned lmao i mean i'm not gonna but you guys can

>> No.20019660

>>20019643
this is 2d my friend you can have nice chocolate skin with all the howaito features and no monkey personality dont conflate with 3d baboons please thank you

>> No.20019667 [DELETED] 

>>20019658
Nigger has always been acceptable language on all boards.
Fuck off and try reddit instead.

>> No.20019672

>>20019660
White skin looks much better.

>> No.20019674

>>20019658
Usually mods don't ban people for GR3 but sometimes I've seen them remove posts. What they could get banned for is off-topic discussion, though.

>> No.20019679

>>20019672
i agree but sometimes youre in the mood know what im saying no hate only love through dick unity

>> No.20019688

>>20019667
>revisionist newfag telling others to go to reddit
Like pottery

>> No.20019695

>>20019660
>>20019679
まあ、you might not be wrong

>> No.20019696

>>20019633
10000 hours of pig anime with subtitles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKgaCt57u90

>> No.20019701

>>20019688
>Revisionist calling other people revisionist

>> No.20019714

>>20019701
>doesnt even deny being a newfag
>"no u"
Sounds like a redditor that only comes here to shitpost without losing his karma, a-hyup

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>>20019696
キミとわたし

>> No.20019727

This is undoubtedly the whitest post in this thread.
>>20019696

>> No.20019793

Where can I get The Highschool DxD and The Classroom of The Elite light novel?

>> No.20019797

Is だとな same as かな?

>> No.20019798

I have recently bought mega man 11 and tried playing in japanese and i literally almost understood nothing. I have been studying for 5 months now and I dont feel much better than when I first started, not much anyway. I know 1300 words but my comprehension barely improved and I i understood non of the grammar still. Is this normal or am i progressing much slower than expected?
>do you read?
yes I do, I read 3 or 4 volumes of yotsuba and and i have bunch of graded readers (n4)

>> No.20019862

>>20019798
>I know 1300 words

>> No.20019868

>>20019798
try reading 40 volumes and see if you improve

>> No.20019880

>>20019798
How good were you at english as a 4 month old baby

>> No.20019884

>>20019798
Also 3 volumes of yotsubato is equivalent to like... one chapter of an ln, and it's easier bc it's all dialogue. Try pushing yourself to read more challenging material

>> No.20019886

>ちゃんと付き合えるようになってからって思ってたんだけど
>And here I thought I could (properly) date her

Is that a more or less correct translation?

>> No.20019906

>>20019798
Try reading internet articles about things you're interested in. Look-up is much easier too even without pop-up dictionaries.

>> No.20019907

>>20019886
Fuck no.

>> No.20019909

>>20019886
it's more like
>I thought that since we were properly dating but...
or
but I thought that since we were properly dating

>> No.20019922

Reminder to not try to give advice until you have at least finished Tae Kim.

>> No.20019923

>>20017523
whatever you say jose

>> No.20019924

>>20019909
I get it now, thanks anon.

>>20019907
And thanks to you too grumpy anon.

>> No.20019932

>>20019924
You don't "get it" because >>20019909 is wrong. Look up てから in a grammar guide or something.

>> No.20019940 [DELETED] 

>>20019324
>>20019376
This is your thread on niggers

>> No.20019949

>>20019886
>>20019909
shit is proper bullocks mates

>>20019940
whats ur issue

>> No.20019961

>>20019932
No, I get, it's something like "I was thinking of doing this after were properly dating"

Sometimes I get confused with things like that.

>> No.20019994

>>20019940
Hey guys i'm not from around here could you tell!!! Hey guys check it out watch this *shits my diaper* did you see XD!!!!

>> No.20019999

うんちゃんと見たよ

>> No.20020025

>塾
>熟語
Dear diary, today nihongo wasn't a faggot

>> No.20020029
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More like 熟女, am I right?

>> No.20020040

were you gonna post some

>> No.20020052

first you gotta sub to his patreon

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sub to this

>> No.20020104

>>20020079
Is he sniffing her ケツの穴? God I wish I that were me

>> No.20020121

>>20020104
I don't think I've ever seen this word written in a doujin

>> No.20020129

>>20020121
rec me some good 同人誌s

>> No.20020146

>>20020029
jukujo is basically a milf, the more you know !

>> No.20020153

>>20020146
I don't know shit about 2hu

>> No.20020348

How do I stop my hand from moving my cursor over every single word in a sentence to get its definition even when it's a word that I could probably remember if I waited 5-10 seconds?

>> No.20020358

>>20020348
Have the extension disabled by default and only enable it to look words up

>> No.20020359

>>20019516
むかしの言い方
「ない」+noun -> 「なき」+noun
他の い‐形容詞 も同じで、
(今)「弱い者」->(昔)「弱き者」
(今)「美しい日々」->(昔)「美しき日々」

ちなみに、な‐形容詞だと、
(今)「幸福な人たち」->(昔)「幸福なる人たち」
みたいになる

>> No.20020361

>>20020358
But I have to look up 97.5% of words.

>> No.20020369

>>20020361
Don't tell me you fell for the "read more" meme as a complete beginner

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>>20020369
I've been both reading and doing VNcore but I'm only this far in.

>> No.20020392

>>20020375
What the fuck is vncore

>> No.20020395

>>20020392
It's in the CoR. It's a word frequency list derived from some VNs.

>> No.20020397

>>20020375
How many cards are you doing a day? That mature to young ratio looks wack for how many cards you have.

>> No.20020403

>>20020395
Why are people so afraid of just doing rtk and then sentence mining?

>> No.20020409

>>20020397
Sometimes I don't do any. Sometimes I do 5, 10, 20, etc. But I'm starting to think I should try to blast through it as fast as possible, because even if my retention is low it'll improve as my reading improves, and at least I won't have to worry about doing new cards for awhile.

>> No.20020411

>>20020375
What's your reading material? Did you pick up TK or an equivalent?

>> No.20020421

>>20020403
i'll only do rtk if jamal endorses it as a good method of "remembering the kanji"

>> No.20020424

>>20020411
Flyable Heart. I read through like half of Tae Kim but I've been googling grammar points a lot. I might go back and reread Tae Kim in its entirety soon.

>> No.20020425

>>20020369
it's honestly hilarious to tell people to read with 100-200 known. like lmao, having fun spending 1-2 hours on 1 page of yotsuba and STILL not understanding one bit because >no grammar and looking up slang is tough as hell. i would say until 1000 words possibly 2000, reading any native material is an utter waste of time and better invested into learning grammar or reading material specifically made for learners.

>> No.20020436

>>20020129
https://exhentai.org/g/1172503/51389b8d94/
https://exhentai.org/g/144020/b7ea76d799/
https://exhentai.org/g/673697/d7fec1683a/
https://exhentai.org/g/839311/7c28154a15/
https://exhentai.org/g/1056010/45cf641fc0/
https://exhentai.org/g/1287091/5b00722f95/
https://exhentai.org/g/945721/df7c28ad43/

>> No.20020441

>>20020424
So you """know""" 200 vocab, read half of TK (i.e. the most basic of basic shit that won't get you anywhere on its own) and you already jump into a VN?

>> No.20020442

>>20020425
No matter what the first hours of reading are tough. If you did RTK and then mined Tae Kim, just an hour of yotsuba should be enough to not feel completely lost in native material. Instead you're still doing core

>> No.20020443

>>20020425
but that stuff is spammed here so frequently. have trolls been allowed to take over?

>> No.20020447

>>20020441
Yea and I'm going to keep it up for at least the next year. Did I do something wrong?

>> No.20020454

彼らの一人でも「やめろ」と言ってくれたら、こんな事態にならかなかった。
The sentence is easy enough to understand, but what contraction is used to make the か in ならかなかった ?

>> No.20020457

>>20020454
Looks like a typo.

>> No.20020467

>>20020409
Definitely do cards consistently, even if its only 10. It makes reviews easier. You should also consider not reading until around 500 words. While you can read with your word count, its extremely difficult and tends to be very demotivating.
Also, anyone saying to wait until 1000+ words is insane. The first thing you read is always going to be a nightmare, and the difference in reading comprehension between 500 and 1000 words is not really worth the extra anki time that could be used on reading.

>> No.20020469

>>20020447
>Did I do something wrong?
Having to look up the vast majority of words of your ""reading material" is definitely wrong

>> No.20020470

>>20020436
Thanks. But do you actually read doujins in English? If so try reading the raws. Doujins are seriously some of the best reading material for beginners out there

>> No.20020472

>>20020442
assuming you did RTK right, and did one word per kanji that already put you at around 2000, possibly more known words though..

>> No.20020473

>>20020457
how do you typo with a sillybary script?

>> No.20020476

>>20020409
keep this up. imagine 6 months from now you've trained your reading purely through VNs from the beginning. you'll take a look at nhk easy or manga and laugh your ass off. you're basically in a hyperbolic time chamber and you'll emerge a monster.

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>>20020473
I don't know.

>> No.20020487

>>20020473
Are you fucking retarded?
You don't have to reply to this by the way, this isn't an actual question I already know the answer.

>> No.20020493

>>20020487
don't respond if you're just going to be mean to me dude. my question stands

>> No.20020495

>>20020457
It does only have 1,800 results if you search for it on google. It's a professionally done VN that's been re-released several times so I doubted a typo but I guess it's possible.
I know of contractions like ほしくはない → ほしかない so I thought it was something similar.

>> No.20020497

>>20020425
here is my definitive guide to learning japanese
>learning kana
>start core do 20 words a day
>study at least 2 or 3 grammar points a day, review every few days using either taekim, or genki ( Yes, its good.) I use bunpro(free account) as a check list of what grammar I have done
>after 600 words, tone down core to 10 words and start reading NHK easy, mine 10 words a day or yotsuba but its slower(yomichan+anki plugin is lit)
>keep this until you are done with half of n4 grammar points and 1500-2000 words into core
>ditch core(keep up with reviews though) and do 20 mining, at this point you should definitely read yotsuba
>repeat until you done with all N4 grammar points
I'm still at the last point and its working pretty good.

>> No.20020499

>>20020472
>one word per kanji
Don't recommend. You'd be much better off saving that energy for actually doing sentences later as sentences not only enforce each other but also grammar

>> No.20020504

>>20020495
VNs almost always have a few typos.

>> No.20020510

minna gneki?

>> No.20020513

>>20020447
I hope you're going to prove validity of our memes, godspeed anon.

>> No.20020515

>>20020499
DJT told me sentences were bad since I'll learn to recall a word purely based off the sentence it's in, and when I encounter it in the wild I won't remember it.

>> No.20020532

>>20020515
I have close to 4000 sentence cards and can use monolingual dictionaries with little to no problems, and never once have I felt like that. Even then how is that a problem? If you just know the word from one context, all it takes is to see it multiple times "in the wild". You get used to words, you don't learn them

>> No.20020540

>>20020532
Do you think DJT just rips on sentence cards because they think they take more time to review? So they're just trying to rationalize their avoidance?

>> No.20020555

sentence decks are fucking awful and they should never be used because of this>>20020515
even supermemo was clear about over complicating your cards, you dumb niggerfaggot
sentences are for context ONLY if you need it

>> No.20020558

>>20020540
Maybe so. All the time you review, though, you are technically reading. Just with zero risk of finding new words. I see this as reading speed practice or just general word reinforcement, but I guess I can see how it might look like a waste of time a bit

>> No.20020568

>>20020555
>sentence decks
I mean you should make your own if you couldn't tell

>> No.20020594

does this sentence makes sense? and secondly it is gramatically correct?

なぜぼくが東へ見るときはこの心速くドキドキか

>> No.20020602

>>20020594
No and no.

>> No.20020612

>>20020594
>東へ見ると鼓動が速くになるのはなぜなのか
would be my version. Is that grammatically correct?

>> No.20020618

>>20020612
No.

>> No.20020620

>>20020618
Why not

>> No.20020625

>>20020620
>へ見る
>速くになる

>> No.20020632

>>20020625
>>へ見る
Is it に?
>>速くになる
What's wrong there?

>> No.20020635

>>20020079
>>20020104
これはかべじりだ

古事記にもそうかかれている

>> No.20020645

>>20020632
I think its を but it looses the point of looking at that direction whoever.

>> No.20020647

>>20020632
>Is it に?
見る is not a good word to use there. Try 東へ目を向ける or something.
>What's wrong there?
速くなる

>> No.20020655

>檸檬
what the fuck

>> No.20020662

>>20020647
>東へ目を向ける
Sounds good 眺める could probably also be used, right?
>速くなる
Oshiet thanks

>> No.20020680

so this will be the final result then?
東へ目を眺めると心が速くになるはなぜなのか
how is the と particle acting as "when" ? I do not understand it

>> No.20020683

>>20020680
Read a grammar guide, you don't know what you're doing.

>> No.20020698

>>20020680
>目を眺める
Definitely not that.
東の方を眺めると鼓動が速くなるのはなぜなの

>> No.20020700

any of you guys using Anki 2.1? I had a look at it and it looked attrocious, I reinstalled the old version
I wonder what's your experience with it?

>> No.20020719

>>20020683
I'm trying to write a tanka T_T

>> No.20020722

>>20020700
any real differences?

>> No.20020724

>>20020700
I wanted to check it out but I don't want to bork my 2.0 installation so eh.

>> No.20020726

>>20020719
You should learn Japanese first.

>> No.20020728

>>20020722
I heard inner workings a bit different, but I didn't dig deep into that
I just got disappointed with how inferior it looked to the previous version, not just cosmetics but actual layout, and size of things

>> No.20020748

>UPDATE: The retention rate video - what I got wrong
why did he upload this and immediately make it private

>> No.20020753

I made a haiku about djt
色々な
ことが出来る
けど出来ぬ

>> No.20020760

>>20020532
At 20 sentences a day that's only a bit over 6 months and you've made the monolingual transition, which I find impressive. I don't get how sentence cards can be so horrible if after 6 months you're already at a point where you can learn the language completely within the language itself. That's a goal I strive for because it would help you think within your target language. Are there people here who just mined words and finished the transition that early?

>> No.20020766

Today I mined one word: 切り株

>> No.20020832

>>20020748
More pertinently, what happened to his hair? It's approaching the photoshops.

>> No.20020840

Why can I remember about 500 kanji but get katakana consistently wrong without relying on context cues?

>> No.20020864

>>20020840
because you don't read enough

>> No.20020909

>>20020726
thank you for your help I'm actually trying to combine both, I try to write tanka using easy words and forms I've already learn as a hobby besides my daily japanese lessons now I see where I was wrong. However I cannot get that phrase into the damn 57577 metric u.u'

>> No.20020914

after a man convinces himself to leave his country to pursue his dream despite the fact that he can't even ride a motorcycle, he parts ways with kino and hermes. when hermes asks kino if she thinks the man's journey will succeed, she says it won't. when asked why, kino responds:

>「例えば十人くらいの人間が何かをなしとげようと決意して、その願いを叶えることができるのは、一人いればいい方だ。だからうまくいかない」

i understand the first chunk, but その願いを叶える and onward is stumping me completely because it feels a little vague. could anybody help me out here?

>> No.20020930

>>20020914
He's saying it'd be surprising if even a single one of those 10 people manages to reach his goal. だからうまくいかない

>> No.20020935

She, I mean. Whatever.

>> No.20020940

>>20020930
ohhh, okay. i think what was confusing me is that i always think of 一人 as "alone" and forget it can also represent "a single person." so when i saw "一人いればいい" i thought it was "staying alone is fine" which threw me off on the rest of it. thanks.

>> No.20020949

>>20020914
Is there really a comma between the のは and the 一人? It confuses more than anything

>> No.20020956

>>20020949
Yeah, there is. I still don't really understand how they use commas in japanese at all, but i'm sort of getting used to seeing them.

>> No.20020979

>>20020949
In Japanese it's okay to use punctuation to denote tone, emphasis, rhythm, etc, so you can do things like separate the subject (plus particle) and the predicate with a comma to indicate a pause, or use interrogation marks for "valley girl"-ish intonation.

>> No.20020991

>>20020914
I've lost count of how many times this exact sentence has been posted.

>> No.20020998

>>20020914
あたしのかんがえるには

ねがいはかなっているとおもうんだよ

あたしのねがいをかなえられるのは

あたしじゃないから

あたしはみんなのねがいをかなえるんだ

だからねがいはかなう

>> No.20021007

>>20020998
イミフすぎてワロタ

>> No.20021014

>>20020991
I'm kind of surprised because the chapter had many sentences in it that were longer and more confusing than that. I guess it's probably because those weren't as relevant to the actual story and this is the closing statement that beginners really really want to make sure they understand.

>> No.20021137

>>20017255
try http://n2ch.net

>> No.20021188

Can I get a quick rundown on based japanese rappers.

>> No.20021244

https://youtu.be/HR1EoGNJWNM?t=4321

here's george spittin some lyrics about our guy calvin

>> No.20021246

guys i think i can actually do this. learning this language might not be impossible after all.

>> No.20021267

>>20021244
im jamal genki lmao

>> No.20021292

>>20021267
You might have his trip somehow but you cant fool me skinwalker

>> No.20021293

Whole collection of manga and light novels is where?

>> No.20021301

>>20021246
youre only climbing mount stupid trust me

>> No.20021311

ねがいはいつもかなっている

おにいちゃんののぞむねがいとは

ちょっとずれてるかもしれないけど

>> No.20021336

>>20021293
>can't even read english

>> No.20021354

Where do I pirate nipponese audiobooks? I want to be more cultured than listening to drama cds.

>> No.20021367

>https://youtu.be/9hJLzzmbQAY?t=171

At this point is he really taking about ice cream sandwiches?

>> No.20021375

>>20021311
わたしの願いはたった一つ

キミが欲しいのさ

>> No.20021386

>>20019922
>until you have at least been reading + listening for a year
ftfy

Someone who has only finished Tae Kim is in absolutely no position to be giving anyone advice.

>> No.20021388

>>20021375
おいでよベビー。hしようぜ

>> No.20021394

>>20021367
no

and you prolly dont even know what ice cream means

>> No.20021419

guys, if you ever feel like you are making no progress do what i do
>find a text/paragraph that you think is just about your level
>save it, wait 1-2 months
>read it after said time
for me, this works great since everytime i notice how easy its actually is and how much worse i was back then.

>> No.20021431

>>20017078
>>20019798
>>20019868
>>20020497
Manga isn't reading though.

>> No.20021496

>>20021431
lol retard

>> No.20021676

reading manga owns and is ftw

>> No.20021731

じしんだー!

こっわー!

>> No.20021740

>>20021731
shiruka

>> No.20021755

何故か自然に拍手が起こる

>> No.20021776
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>>20021740
ゆれるというか

つきあげた

やばいかもしれない

>> No.20021873

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC_YFUaSsqs

>> No.20021910

>>20021873
sonna ni nerd-poi rapper iru kanaaaa. dora-chan mo iru w

>> No.20021951
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>> No.20021955

9がつと10がつで

ぼうさいかばんの

てんけん

4かいめだよ

ひんぱんすぎ

>> No.20021959

What's everyone been up to today?

I've gotten through ~4 and a half hours of listening but done no reading at all.

>> No.20021968

>>20021731
うよいやつでしたか?

>> No.20021972

>>20021959
Loads of youtube quite a lot of reading 31 new sentences

>> No.20021979

>>20021968
ちいさいやつ

M5.1だって

>> No.20022049

パイスラッシュ

mamma mia

>> No.20022056

>>20021959
i've gotten through around 3 hours of reading and no listening at all.

>> No.20022119

>>20021959
Watched SSSS.Gridman ep 1 and understood >85%, feels really good. It’s still tough to get used to watching TV and trying to focus as hard as possible for the whole episode.

>> No.20022128

>>20018864
Im sorry that you have a shitty memory

>> No.20022133

The Efficiency Paradox
The more efficient a one-time thing is, the less time its users spend praising it. As a result, things with an acceptable efficiency see exponentially more publicity than things that have incredible efficiency. Also known as "Why RTK And Textbooks Are Popular".

>> No.20022188

where may i find goblin slayer raws

>> No.20022211

you guys in any japanese cults

>> No.20022228

I personally am very fond of the AJATT cult, especifically of the Matt sect.

>> No.20022234

you guys in any cool japanese cults

>> No.20022237 [DELETED] 

>>20021244
>1:43:33
>"I stopped my immersion time for this"
lol

>> No.20022242

>>20021244
>1:33:43*
>"I stopped my immersion time for this"
lol

>> No.20022289

>>20022119
I was gonna skip this show but the first episode was "very cool"

>> No.20022315

>>20021959
Did 50m of Anki, watched Goblin Slayer with English subs and an episode of Magi unsubbed.

>> No.20022331

jamal if you're there should i watch kinnikuman
it gets bonus points because it's all about buff sweaty monster men grabbing each other and that's extremely my shit
私はゲイから

>> No.20022350

somehow the first line of your post manages to be geier than the last wow

>> No.20022372

>>20021959
Watched 10 episodes of anime and played Valkyria Chronicles 4 for a few hours
Also read some random bits of Japanese

>> No.20022427

>>20021959
Studied 228 cards in 5 minutes today.
Again count: 17 (92.5% correct)
Morning is apparently the best time to do anki for me.

>> No.20022440

>>20022427
>Studied 228 cards in 5 minutes today.
That's little more than a second each card. What kind of deck is that? A radical deck or something?

>> No.20022444

にほんごのべんきょうと

にほんのべんきょうは

にているよね

>> No.20022456

>>20022440
>Being this slow
You either know the card or you don't

>> No.20022473

>>20022440
Vocab. Surprised me too. I was waiting for the 7 minute time box notification that never came.

>> No.20022504

>>20022315
>50m of Anki
wat

>with English subs
That doesn't count.

>> No.20022534

>>20022504
Actually it was 46 minutes, but I said 50 because I wasn't quite done yet. And I know it doesn't count, but I wanted to list it anyway.

>> No.20022555

>>20022504
Official /djt/ list of things that don't count as studying.

1. Watching e-celebs
2. Grammar books
3. Manga
4. Anki
5. Anything with English
6. Studying
7. Posting on /djt/
8. RTK
9. Speaking
10. Anything other than anime

>> No.20022609

>>20022555
>1. Watching e-celebs
>7. Posting on /djt/
>8. RTK
>9. Speaking
正解

>> No.20022628
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Why haven't you set your Interval Modifier to 224% yet? Do you enjoy wasting more time in Anki than is necessary?

>> No.20022641

>>20022628
The 5 minutes per 10 new words I spend isn't enough to make me want to make it even less by meddling with the modifiers.

>> No.20022679

insider tip srs is only marginally better than random scheduling and makes up less than 1 percent of ankis usefulness dont at me with your rushed attempts to keep research grants b t w

>> No.20022692

>>20022679
>marginally better than random scheduling
This just in, doing srs is only marginally better than seeing a word once then randomly getting to review it again in 30 years.

>> No.20022695

the statement holds true but everyone for that poster who replied to me he needs all the placebo he can get

>> No.20022702

i made a typo cause someone was talking to me while i typed which means you win i guess score one for you dont at me b t w i won where it matters in my yamato damashii

>> No.20022733

べんきょうしようとおもう

地震のべんきょうする

>> No.20022805

Any way to bulk add JMDICT or any other type of dictionary tags into anki?

>> No.20022824

>>20021959
I tried to watch Boku no Hero, but that stuff is above my league. Now enjoying K-on

>> No.20022831

>>20021959
Struggling to read, as a begginer it feels like I'm just relying on Yomichan to do all the work for me, but without it I can't understand a thing. Half the time I even fail to recognise the particles. That and the usual Anki grind.

>> No.20022866

>>20020558
I straight up SRS entire news articles at this point because sentences stopped being enough.

Must have around 500~ articles of various lengths (mostly ripped from TBS) and this has done wonders to improve reading speed, like you said, but it does me zero good if I'm reading anything new and encounter new words/kanji that stump me.


...basically I think vocab study is probably better, as reading speed comes with time anyway.

>> No.20022979

>>20022866
>entire news articles
You're better off reading new ones. You're also better off broadening your input material.

>> No.20023054

Is it worth throwing different forms of the same word into SRS? 速く vs 速い, 帰り vs 帰る, etc.

>> No.20023059

>>20023054
If you already know how to change forms, and you know what category the word falls into, no. If you wanted to use SRS for the purpose of practicing changing forms, sure.

>> No.20023068

>>20023054
>>20023059
Trouble is, reading will sort this out naturally.

>> No.20023091

>>20023054
Not really, but if it's a word that used often then it might be worth it if you can't fluently use the word. Like, I have a separate card for 遠く

>> No.20023151

>>20022628
Matt overlooked a lot of really obvious flaws in his idea. Just wait a few months for his inevitable apology video when he eventually decides to check into his discord and sees all his Patreons complaining that they followed his advice and now their decks are ruined.

>> No.20023158

>>20022679
>and makes up less than 1 percent of ankis usefulness
What makes up the other 99%?

>> No.20023165

>>20023151
>Just wait a few months for his inevitable apology video
Like the one he did today?

>> No.20023178

>>20023151
>>20023165
He apologized in the same video he made the theory.

>> No.20023231

>温帯
>common term
who the FUCK uses these, OP?

>> No.20023253

>>20023231
Whats wrong with that? The kanji link straight to the meaning and it has regular onyomi readings.

>> No.20023257

>>20023054
if you're sentence mining, find a word used in a way you didn't know, then add it as a new word. only morons learn every entry of a word or pronunciation of a kanji when they first add it.

>> No.20023263

>>20023253
plus it reminded me of this awesome video

https://youtu.be/asLRL5r2f-E

>> No.20023412

>>20023231
にほんは温帯だよ

四季がある

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>> No.20023442
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What do you guys think?

>> No.20023461

>>20023442
0/10 fake graph

>> No.20023527

>>20023253
Its an obscure as fuck word

>> No.20023536

>>20023231
>>20023527

>Warm climate
>Obscure as fuck
what
The word appears at least daily on every newspaper

>> No.20023561

>>20023536
>warm climate
Temperate zone

>> No.20023567

>>20023536
>たいふう○○ごうは
>おんたいていきあつ
>になりました

っていうぶんみゃくで

すっごいでてくるよ

ことし25かいはみてる

>> No.20023575

>>20023561
It's pretty much the same thing.
My point is that it's very commonly used.

Also remember that frequency and useability rankings for vocabulary and kanji were calculated exclusively using newspapers, so there's bound to be words you probably wouldn't hear in 20 years of casual conversation, but are still common use in articles.

>> No.20023588

>>20023575
>It's pretty much the same thing
What? The temperate zone is a region of the planet, warm climate can be anywhere.

>> No.20023606

>>20023442
"learning words as they appear" isn't a real thing, you don't learn words after one or two exposures, try tracking them by their fifth appearances instead and you'll see why this comparison makes no sense
also use better analysis tools
that's all i'm going to say

>> No.20023608

Sucks to know you're a retard after doing 96% of core 6k and 2850 kanji without reading even once and just constantly listening to podcasts. When does this ride end?

>> No.20023615

温帯 actually is super obscure btw the data that jisho's commonness rankings is based on is pretty bad look at 観音 for example

>> No.20023632

>>20023608
it ends after you listen and read more which is what makes you stop sucking

>> No.20023646

>>20023632
I already watch anime without subtitles should I just begin reading online then or should I start from the easy shit like yostuba and NHK Easy?

>> No.20023719

Since reading English is for fucking nerds is Tae Kim's youtube videos good enough compared to his grammar guide

>> No.20023728

>>20023646
anything and everything but not nhk easy it's meant for illiterate children not for becoming literate

>> No.20023735

>>20023719
ううん

>> No.20023743

>>20023719
no

>> No.20023752

>>20023743
Well his app is removed off Android, where can I find his written guide then

>> No.20023756

>>20023752
check the op

>> No.20023762

>>20023752
On his website, grammar guide not complete guide (ironically incomplete)

>> No.20023768

>>>>>/vr/5086112
what a mess

>> No.20023777

>>20023728
>it's meant for illiterate children

Actually, it targets Japan's foreign residents that are already pretty conversationally fluent and want to learn reading news.

>> No.20023788

>>20023777
Who in the right mind would want to read news for anything?

>> No.20023812

>>20023762
The complete guide has some useful things not found in the grammar guide though

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>>20023788

>> No.20023847

>>20023812
Is it worth doing it? I'm 1/3rd into grammar guide. If yes, do I do it after grammar or in parallel?

>> No.20023851

>>20023847
Do the grammar guide then go skim through the complete guide and right down everything that is new to you. That's what I did at least

>> No.20023872

>>20023788
A lot of people, otherwise newspaper companies wouldn't exist.

>> No.20023892
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>Some kid I don't know runs up to me and says 「いけめん!」 and runs off
>Don't know if he said イケ面 or 逝け面
I hate this language

>> No.20023893

>>20023872
にほんのしんぶんって

せかいいちつまらないんだよ

GHQさんが

けんえつしすぎたんだとおもう

>> No.20023931

>>20023892
nihongo btfos everyone

>> No.20023943

>>20023892
Ask him to speak in Kanji next time.

>> No.20023952

>>20023892
no one uses ikemen in an ugly sense

>> No.20023983

Is Japanese even a real language or is it just an illusion?

>> No.20024004

>>20023983
It's a conlang created by the nips to fuck with our brains. They obviously used to talk in English before developing this genius strategy

>> No.20024035

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0QsGFntA1w
These are really racist but comedy gold

>> No.20024110

>>20018725
母は母と嗤う

>> No.20024123

>>20024110
Sounds like a Japanese proverb

>> No.20024140

>>20024035
pure gold indeed

>> No.20024149

>>20024110
>嗤う
How common is this

>> No.20024161

>>20022331
so fuckin watch that shit its hella classic

>>20023768
who left the pigpen gate open

>>20024035
heres the only good part of that vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0QsGFntA1w#t=370

i could make a adult joke about this also

>> No.20024190

>録
Oh, a new kanji for metal! I love those!
>transcript
what

>> No.20024199

hardly a new kanji there lol

>> No.20024204

I meant like I'm learning a new kanji, not that the kanji itself is new

>> No.20024218

>>20024190
wtf are you on about anon

>play random JRPG
>冒険を記録する

The power of RTK is less impressive every time I see a post (i assume a joke post) like yours...

>> No.20024245

>>20024218
He's asking why 録 has the 金 radical.

According to chiebukuro, it's because the character dates back to a time when records were kept via bronze inscriptions.

>> No.20024273

>>20024218
literally translated means engrave your adventure into cave wall

>> No.20024276

i mean what is a cave wall really if not just a giant memory card

>> No.20024296

>>20024276
Mostly stone, presumably.

>> No.20024325

what is stone really if not just memory

>> No.20024337

>>20024325
Stone

>> No.20024678

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdAUOMUmsT8

>> No.20024717

>>20024678
is pizza la better than dominos? kinda hard to get decent pizza in japaon

>> No.20024725

Is memorizing radical meanings even worth it? I feel like it has rarely helped me, only in cases like 病気 or something. But in complex kanji there seems to be no reason to care about the radicals.

>> No.20024731

This is what happens when you ditch regular anki decks people >>20024725

>> No.20024736

>>20024110
>Implying it's not 母は「歯は・・・」と笑う

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>>20023615
Neither of those are obscure.

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>>20024745

>> No.20024794

>>20024731
Care to explain?

>> No.20024795

グーグルを潜る

>> No.20024814

>>20024793
primordial is not an obscure word

>> No.20024830

>>20024814
Yes it is

>> No.20024841

>>20024830
Learn english please

>> No.20024852

>>20024841
Tell me when the last time you used the word primordial in a conversation and I'll humor you further.

>> No.20024865

>>20024852
Not him, but I used it at least three times this week from memory in casual conversation with friends.

>> No.20024870

When you score a 70% on the practice test but don’t know if that’s passable or not because the damn thing is scaled.

At least I still have time.

>> No.20024871

>>20024865
what the fuck

>> No.20024878

アル ユ ゲイ デス カ?

>> No.20024879

>>20024871
Yeah how the fuck does someone who posts in DJT even have a friend

>> No.20024887
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>> No.20024925

Considering how: 1) Primordial is not a word you use often in conversation and 2) Primordial is in the top 30% of searched words on dictionary.com, I'm going to assume it's not a common word. 99% of the time you see it, it's going to be attached to the word soup and it's going to be in a scientific context. There is very little reason for an ESL learner to learn primordial, there are a dozen thousand words that are more useful.

>> No.20024934

"Primordial" is not a word that meets any mainstream definition of the term "common" and I can't believe you guys are actually debating this.

>> No.20024937

>>20024725
God no

You'll put the patterns/pieces together on your own if you read and do vocab enough. Even then, Kanji are rarely consistent with those patterns and you really can't bank on them too hard for readings either.
時 time has nothing to do with the sun and a temple. 特 has nothing to do with a cow and a temple. 持 has nothing to do with a hand and a temple. 待 has nothing to do with a leg and a temple. 侍 likewise. The left radical in these VERY VAGUELY suggests what the meaning might be, and the right vaguely suggests how you might read them (phonetic reading only, you're on your own for other readings).

Basically, knowing radicals is only truly gonna be useful AFTER you already know quite a few Kanji, once your brain truly grasps the concept/stops arguing with them.

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>>20024879
I-I have at least 3 friends too, baka!

>> No.20024967

>>20024937
It's just hard when a compound Kanji includes like 7 different kanji and I'm supposed to know the reading based on how the smaller kanji are positioned within the actual kanji. But I guess Japanese is just hard.

That being said, I'm convinced that most Japanese don't actually know how to read this shit. Most probably forget the majority of kanji after they get out of highschool, at least based on what I've seen.

>> No.20025045

>>20023615
マットは言ったで正解だ
Some of you really need to meditate. You're focusing on the dumbest shit. Use that conciousness for aquiring more nihongo. Trust the language, stop resisting.

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>> No.20025082

I come to this thread and don’t know if the 日本語 people are using is wrong or if it’s simply higher level than mine.

>> No.20025092

It's wrong.

>> No.20025097

>>20025082
Mostly wrong, people here can't even solve N5 exam questions.

>> No.20025100

>>20025082
両方ともかな

>> No.20025101

>>20023165
Oh shit, I didn't notice that. Happened even faster than I thought.

Our Japanese-learning messiah tries to fix what works once again fucks it up... once again. What a shock.

>> No.20025103

>>20025082
I mean I wouldn't sentence mine here.

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>>20020495
>It's a professionally done VN that's been re-released several times so I doubted a typo

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>>20024967
What's exactly hard about it? You see it, you go "oh this word" and move on.

Don't know words? Learn them and be prepared for when you see them again.

>> No.20025118

>>20025082
Consider every japanese that is not written by a japanese person to be wrong.

>> No.20025143

みんな日本語上手ですね : )

>> No.20025146

>>20025117
Playing 時のオカリナ is 一流 癒す material

>> No.20025152

おれわ日本

>> No.20025157

わたしは一流ゲイ

>> No.20025170

>>20024967
Well, they kinda know what the kanji is supposed to look like even if not exactly, and that helps a lot in reading where you're anticipating the next words automatically anyways.

Knowing something in isolation is different from knowing something when you actually encounter it.
That's why anki is bad and you should never do it.

>> No.20025198

>>20025170
バカヤロウ。暗記を使ったことありながらでもたくさんの本を読むとか未だ可能よボケ

>> No.20025206

>>20025143
お前 毎日ここにshitpostしているこそ
上手になる時間がないだろう?
ほら、立派な文章を見せろ
ニ・ガー

>> No.20025214

上手すぎる爆笑

>> No.20025245

>>20025206
黒人が
毎日DJT
潜んでる

異状本日の人種的憎悪について俳句でした。この既成概念を近いうちに克服しなければ、俺むかつよ

>> No.20025250

>>20025245
異状=以上の誤植です。申し訳ございません。

>> No.20025259
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DJTs motto

>> No.20025276

>>20025245
拙句すぎるww

>> No.20025288
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>>20025259
なおした

>> No.20025303

>貧乏ゆすり

The fuck has that to do with being poor?

>> No.20025315

>>20025303
Why don't you google it lazy fuck

>> No.20025327

>>20025315
Why don't you google it for me lazy fuck

>> No.20025344

>>20025327
「貧乏揺すり」という名称の由来については諸説ある。

貧乏人が寒さに震える様子から
高利貸しが貧乏人から取り立てる際に足をゆすることが多かったから。
江戸時代に足をゆすると貧乏神に取り付かれるといわれていたから。
貧乏人がせかせか動いているように、高貴な人からは見えるから。
貧乏人が緊張のあまり、足をゆすっていたから。

>> No.20025369

>>20025344
なるほど。
アザス、パイセン!

>> No.20025379

>>20025303
>can't learn japanese

>> No.20025392

>>20025369
その腐った台詞やめといた方がいいぞ

>> No.20025423

>>20025379
You're right, can't learn something you already mastered.

>>20025392
いや別に腐ってないじゃん普通だろう
テヘペロ

>> No.20025425

>>20021972
You only read 31 sentences? That is not a lot of reading. That should take like 4 minutes

>> No.20025455

Can you guys even write all those kanji or just focus on meaning and recognition?

>> No.20025456

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yULq4WnT-oI

>> No.20025461

>>20025425
Added 31 new i+1 (some i+2) sentences cards that I found while reading

>> No.20025470

>>20025461
Oh then you did not read at all today as mining does not count as reading.

>> No.20025475

>>20025423
>テヘペロ
ヤメロ

>> No.20025480

>>20025470
Why is that not reading. I use monolingual dictionaries, so even that is readingと思います

>> No.20025489

What retard made the "Optimized" 2k/6k core deck and which retard thought it would be a good idea to put it in the guide? I know 4chan is home to le epic trolls but seems a little shitty in a general dedicated to learning a language.

You have words like 暇 (which is N5 btw.) that come after obscure N3 niche words

>> No.20025490

>>20025455
I can wreite about 500 from memory but you never need to write kanji by hand.

>> No.20025497

>>20025489
Our lord and savior, nuke様.

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>>20025480
It is not reading as reading means you are enjoying compelling content while mining is actively looking for words. It is a meta task, I promise if you do not mine your comprehension will automatically go up by like 5%.

> I use monolingual dictionaries
Why?
You are just wasting time what is the difference between an english word that gives you the gist and a japanese sentence you barely understand. You are supposed to look up a word to get an idea of it and use context to deduce more nuance. A japanese definition takes much longer and gives 0 benefit.

I swear the iq of this thread has gone down by like 20 points the last month or so.

>> No.20025519

>>20025170
>don't use example sentences cause you'll know words only in this context and will not be able to recongnize them in other contexts and in isolation
>don't learn words in isolation cause you will not be able to recognize them when encounter
Doesn't matter what you do, you're always doing it wrong. God bless DJT.

>> No.20025526

>>20025513
threads don't have an iq, they're just data...

>> No.20025535

>>20025513
>A japanese definition takes much longer and gives 0 benefit.
And there it is. If reading a Japanese dictionary's definition still is hard for you, don't tell other people how to learn the language just yet

>> No.20025537

>>20025519
Yeah both of those are wrong you should just consume native content.

>> No.20025542

>>20025519
Learn words from natural context they appear in and use srs for drilling readings.

>>20025513
Monolingual definitions are very useful if the English one is too general. Of course you shouldn't use them if you're a beginner, that's retarded.

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20025551

>>20025535
1. dog
2. 食肉目イヌ科の哺乳類。オオカミを家畜化した動物と考えられている。よく人になれ、番用・愛玩用・狩猟用・警察用・介助用・労役用などとして広く飼育される。品種が多く、大きさ・色・形などもさまざまである。

which is quicker to read even if you were 100% fluent in japanese.

I rarely look up words when I read but when I do I use english as it is objectively faster. All you need from a definition is a general idea any more is wasting your time.

>> No.20025568

>>20025551
I see your point for animals, but that is pretty much it. Besides you should definitely know the word 犬 before even considering using a monolingual dictionary

>> No.20025577

did you know dog backwards is god ??

>> No.20025587

>>20025568
1.relation
2. 物事の間に何らかのかかわりがあること。また、そのかかわり。 「その件には-がない」 「収賄事件に-する」 「密接な-がある」 「よからぬ輩やからと-をもつ」 「 -を絶つ」

関係 is an abstract concept that is better served by an english definition.

I understand the nuance of all these words without using any j->j dictionary. While you do not and still wasted like 30 sec to a minute per word you look up.

>> No.20025599

るあでまざまさもどな形・色・さき大、く多が種品。るれさ育飼く広てしとどな用役労・用助介・用察警・用猟狩・用玩愛・用番、れなに人くよ。るいてれらえ考と物動たし化畜家をミカオオ。類乳哺の科ヌイ目肉食

>> No.20025615

>>20025551
>>20025587
>looking up words at all
You end up wasting time either way, continue reading and learn the word that way. That is truly optimal.

>> No.20025620

>>20025587
First of all, everything you read in the Jdic also reinforces words and give you more words to learn. For example in the dog definition there was 【愛玩】which I'd never seen before. I searched the word in a jdic, understood the definition no problem and added it with one of the example sentences. In other words Jdics themselves are IMMERSION.
Secondly can you even read the definitions you posted?

>> No.20025644

>>20025620
>For example in the dog definition there was 【愛玩】which I'd never seen before.
You don't know Japanese. You are not qualified to tell people how they should study Japanese.

>> No.20025651

you shouldnt ever study japanese

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>>20025620
yes I can, even though this is the first time I have ever looked at japanese definition. Also a word is useless unless it shows up in something meaningful like a light novel or anime. Also reading something interesting also reinforces words. anki and all of matt's advice is usefule if you are autistic and don't actually enjoy learning the language

>> No.20025668

自閉症暗記やろうどもめ!!!

>> No.20025692

>>20025644
>You don't know Japanese. You are not qualified to tell people how they should study Japanese.
I doubt more than 1% of all DJT know that word.
>>20025661
>Also a word is useless unless....
If most Japanese people know you should too. Because whether you learn words like that or not, they will come up in conversation too fast for you to pull out the English dictionary, keeping you in you N2 pit for good

>> No.20025710

>>20025620
Usually I use a dictionary because I am trying to read something that I want to read. My goal is to spend as little time in the dictionary as possible. If your goal is to add words to Anki then maybe J-J is right for you, but if you are just trying to read then J-E is much more efficient.

The best thing would be a J-J dictionary translated to English. If I was rich I would have one made.

>> No.20025714

>>20025692
But DJT told me that if I hear a word enough I will learn it automatically..

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>>20025692
First of all the word 愛玩 is not a word I would need to look up even if I haven't already seen it as it is easily deduced from context.

>If most Japanese people know you should too
and back to the autism.

>> No.20025723

>>20025714
Correct!
And learned that way you'll never ever forget it.

Unless you get alzheimers or something.

>> No.20025726

>>20025723
So do I stay N2 forever as you said, or do I learn words passively by hearing them and thus breach N1?

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>>20025461
>i+1 sentences

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>>20023231
>reading an article about climate
>suddenly "warm belt" appears
Gee, what could this possibly mean? Those crazy asians.

>> No.20025752

>>20025740
What now

>> No.20025755

>>20025742
>reading an article about climate
and back to /int/ with you.

>> No.20025757

>>20025513
>Why?
>You are just wasting time what is the difference between an english word that gives you the gist and a japanese sentence you barely understand. You are supposed to look up a word to get an idea of it and use context to deduce more nuance. A japanese definition takes much longer and gives 0 benefit.
So much this.

>> No.20025758

>>20025726
N1 is baby tier, you can get there using literally any method.

>> No.20025763

Hi /djt/ is listening to hentai listening? If not, can you tell me what is or even better link it to me?

>> No.20025764

if you understand this youre light years beyond n1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOo2fc1gICY

>> No.20025768

>>20025752
"i+1" is a term Matt co-opted from Krashen to make sentence mining sound scientific. "i+1" does not in fact mean what Matt says it does. The correct term for what Matt calls an "i+1 sentence" is an "n+1 sentence".

>> No.20025776

>>20025764
This is meant to be impossible to understand though, hence they make it so stupid.

>> No.20025784

>>20025764
I don't even understand rap lyrics in my native language.

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>>20025768
>caring

>> No.20025789

>>20025784
>autism

>> No.20025794

quick rundown on this i+1 thingy?

>> No.20025808

retarded thing for idiots (hence the i) who arent learning japanese

>> No.20025811

>>20025758
You know that's a lie.

>> No.20025815

>>20025784
Its supposed to be n+1, but some call it i+1, so some autists sperg out they dont call it n+1.

>> No.20025820

>>20025758
He says, unable to pass N4.

>> No.20025909

>learning Japanese to work in Japan and die of 過労死
>learning Japanese because you're a キモオタニート

Which one are you?

>> No.20025937

more like which one are you

>> No.20025949

>>20025715
How long have you been learning?

>> No.20025952

>>20025937
Either way it doesn't end well.

>> No.20025956

so why not pick another option where everything is good and owns ftw

>> No.20025975

because such an option doesn't exist ;_;

>> No.20026010

it does you just have to be brave enough to select it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rZUPyfXwEk

>> No.20026018

>>20025909
i accidentally graduated from uni so neither

>> No.20026046

>>20025785
Imagine someone saying "boy, what a tasty apple this is" while holding an ice cream. That's what you sound like when you say "i+1 sentence".

>> No.20026064

>>20026046
But if the goal is to eat something sweet, does it matter?

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>> No.20026130

>>20019798
>5 months
>Only 3 or 4 volumes of Yotsuba

Not enough reading. When I first started, I read that amount in about a month.

>> No.20026149

>>20024745
obscure does not mean that something is literally unused, it just means it's obscure
or what, was obscure too obscure for you to know what it means?

>> No.20026161

obscure is a word like recondite

now stfu about the primordial shit you noobs its not obscure unless youre esl

>> No.20026168

>>20026161
ESL here and I hear "primordial soup" all the time watching science videos on youtube.

>> No.20026184

you mean to tell me obscure is a relative term and is dependent entirely on whats around you or not

wowzers

btw those science vids on yt lie to you id just read the bible instead

>> No.20026244

>>20026161
are you sure about that dude it has like two million hits on google can't be obscure if it's that common ha ha ha!

>> No.20026247

どちらが本題だかわからなくなりそうだったけど

Question about this sentence, why would you use どちら? In what context would you use it in this way?

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>>20026247
you'd use it in that sentence
because it's the kind of context it's useful to use it in

>> No.20026278

>>20026247
ps: if you want to get something useful out of asking about that sentence you should ask about だか instead

>> No.20026302

>>20026247
どちら is turned into the subject by が
What else would you use in it's place? だれ?
That only works for people.

I guess you can use なに but it changes the meaning of the sentence (From asking "Which one" to "What").

>> No.20026310

>>20026130
>I read that amount in about a month.
That's not really that much either

>> No.20026315

>>20026247
どちら vs どっち they are almost same, but どちら is a little more formal.
どちら vs どれ どちら means 'which one of the two' while どれ means 'which one of more than three things'

>> No.20026322

is there a good way to google for two part constructions like 売れに売れた or nahh

>> No.20026360

>>20026247
I'm interested in this sentence, what the hell does わからなくなり means? I become not understanding? why not conjugate the second part with just わからない like わからなさそうだったけど

>> No.20026394

>>20026244
prolly not by the true definition of obscure but which word are you more familiar with recondite or antidisestablishmentarianism and then compare your oh so important google hits lol

>> No.20026397

>>20026360
わからない
わからなく
わからなくなる
わからなくなりそう

>> No.20026405

>>20026394
trivial derivational compounds don't count as more obscure than their individual parts tbqph

>> No.20026412

>>20026397
I very much understand the conjugation, but I don't understand why なる was used. isn't it basically "Became(?) appearing to not understand" vs "appears to not understand"? Or something along those lines? Thank you for taking the time to reply!

>> No.20026415

>>20026394
>antidisestablishmentarianism
Oh oh I got this check this shit out 反制法系主義

>> No.20026421

>>20026415
Oops I meant 反無制法系主義

>> No.20026424

>>20026412
Read tyler kim

>> No.20026429

>>20026412
it won't make sense until you figure out what the そうだ is doing, then it will be clear

>> No.20026431

ロリコン主義

>> No.20026435

>>20026431
反無ロリコン主義

>> No.20026453

>>20026360
Something like "seemed less clear but", makes sense if you consider that the first embedded clause asks something like "which was the more important issue?"

>> No.20026470

ロリはどこだ?

>> No.20026472

>>20016953
Man every time I open this thread I am greeted by this sperg I just can't pull myself together fuck

>> No.20026479

このロリコンどもめ!

>> No.20026483

どちらがロリコンだかわからなくなりそうだったけど

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>>20026472
We have to revert to old djt meme posting.

>> No.20026494

旗はどこですか。

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>>20026490

>> No.20026507

ロリパンツ履きたい

>> No.20026512

顔にでも

>> No.20026555

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfYRBQvXNFk

>> No.20026609
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>get 蒸発 in my deck yesterday
That doesn't seem like a very useful word
>hear it today in Magi

It is kind of crazy how often this happens.

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b-bros... I want more kanji...

>> No.20026650

>>20026609
>not very useful
What about cooking?
練乳を作るために牛乳を弱火で蒸発しましょう!

>> No.20026668

>>20026650
>練乳を作るために牛乳を弱火で蒸発*させましょう!

>> No.20026686

>>20026650
I can't even cook in English, so it isn't really something I plan on doing in Japanese.

>> No.20026700

>>20026686
yeah i don't learn words that fit into a category i've deemed to be not useful, such as cooking. anyway, time to read some fate/stay night,

>> No.20026713

>>20026609
That word is common, but that aside, this happens pretty often, because language doesn't exist in a vacuum. For an extreme example, 鹹湖 is a "useless" word but it shows up in 機動戦士ガンダム.

>> No.20026721 [DELETED] 

finished the second volume of kino, and want to read the third, but it seems to be missing the first chapter in the DJT library version. i don't wanna miss out, but it doesn't seem like there's anywhere else to read it. this is nagging at me.

>> No.20026826

Is Ajatt a meme

>> No.20026843

>>20026826
Everything is a meme. Ajatt is a bad meme.

>> No.20026847

今ここで限界を超えろ!

>> No.20026852

hey friends, at the moment I'm doing 3 anki decks @ 27 words a day
10 @core6k
10@genki1+2 vocab
7@mining deck
Genki deck is madatory since I have got a teacher and we're going through it (almost done with genki 1). Here what I'm thinking.
At the moment, Genki deck has 600 words left so it would take 2 months to finish. I'm thinking of setting core to 0 and bumping genki to 20 and finish it in a month, this will allow me to add another deck (Possibly KKLC since I always wanted to write kanji) or bump mining up.

>> No.20026881

>I have got a teacher and we're going through it
リア充
帰れ

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>>20026852
Genki and core decks should be pretty similar so I'd finish one first and then remove the duplicates or something like that.

>>20026881
Please no bully in these threads

>> No.20026904

>>20026894
yes, there are a lot of overlap, which i dont really mind doing 27 words a day is a bit tough and this acts as a review or something.

>> No.20026946

>>20026904
Anki is supposed to show you a word when you're about to forget it and when you have duplicates with their own intervals that defeats the purpose of the SRS.

>> No.20027034

>>20026894
what does your teacher say about you doing flashtards

>> No.20027062

>>20026278
tell me what it does

>> No.20027081

>>20017123
The audiobook version is actually read by Kugimiya Rie herself?
Did she only do the first volume, or is there more of this? I might actually buy this, since the CoR only has the first volume.

>> No.20027114

チャラ男のファラオ

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i still cant believe nuke chan went in on that trash

>>20027081
imagine being interested in the kugster like this

>> No.20027182

>>20027155
i thought it was an alright book. standard dopey isekai shit but the heroine was cute and it was funny that the staff of destruction ended up being a rocket propelled grenade

>> No.20027208

>>20027155
>imagine being interested in the kugster like this
I'm way past saving, I even listened to all episodes of the Zero no Tsukaima radio shows.

>> No.20027213

>>20027081
Wait, so is he flogging stuff from the CoR to use for his monetized content? So much for that whole demanding people show proof of purchase bullshit. What a piece of shit.

>> No.20027231

>>20027208
most otaku post itt so i have no choice but to respect it

>> No.20027252

>>20026322
sometimes i just stick the thing itself into google and hope someones asked before
on occasion looking up the kei the verb is in plus the particle yields results
most of the time looking up a part of it on hjgp does the trick
in this case though skimming the definition of ni was enough

https://kotobank.jp/word/に-590835
13 (動詞・形容詞を重ねて)強意を表す。「騒ぎに騒ぐ」

>> No.20027270

>>20027252
so it's kind of an emphasis type thing, huh. in the example it'd be like "really, REALLY annoying" and in the one i posted it'd be like "sold extremely well"

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>doing immersion for nihongo
>binge watch some Jdrama
>watch 恋人よ they said
uugh the ending gave me depression.. why is japan so fucked up..

>> No.20027275

>>20027270
ye

>> No.20027386

>>20027213
still pissed your broke ass can't afford a $15 vocabulary book to get an anki deck you don't even need to learn Japanese?

>> No.20027412

>>20027155
he said he's doing books that also have audio books in the CoR to listen to as he reads along, but thinks this anime is pretty generic and stupid.

>> No.20027424

>>20027271
It's called drama for a reason, it's supposed to be sad.
I watch a lot of them and usually when everythings going way too happy it sets up for a tragedy like someone's kid dying or something.

>> No.20027441

>>20027271
if you want a quick pick me up try out 1 litre of tears

>> No.20027453

>>20027271
Japanese don't know how to properly end their dramas. Although IWGP was still pretty dope.

>> No.20027456

but for real though happiness is an illusory coping mechanism to being born to embrace despair is to reach ascension mono no wasabi and all that

>> No.20027464

>>20027441
pretty good show to watch if you're a new parent. lots of laughs about all the problems you can run into when your kid gets into high school.

>> No.20027514

>>20027424
Yea that's exactly what they did here. You expect a disaster, and then everything ends up ok somehow only to fall apart even worse than you ever imagined. I mean it's effective, but damn I feel like I just broke up with a girl or something.

>> No.20027532

is girls dying still the meta for tv drama nowadays

>> No.20027559

>>20027441
ok downloading, this one better cheer me up

>> No.20027565

I found goblin slayer raws but what do i do with kanji without furigana

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>>20027559
trust me its happy tears like these

>> No.20027592

にっこにっこに
Why is this allowed

>> No.20027602

>>20027062
think about ~かどうかわからない and なに・だれ・どれ・どちらが~だかわからない probably mean and suddenly all will become clear

>> No.20027631

>>20025143
i didn't know what 上手 meant but because they mean "up/above" and "hand" respectively i thought of "more dexterous" and inferred it meant "skillful"

>> No.20027647
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20027647

Can someone help me translate this youtube comment?

>> No.20027695

>>20027647
I think it roughly says
>Ichigo "I wonder ......... Nope it is normal ... ... ... ... why can not you break down?"
>Second story "Fat!"

Hope I helped.

>> No.20027716

>>20027695
ググルさん、ありがとう!

>> No.20027718

>>20025768
dude even george from jfz learn matt/nuke's definition of i+1 sentences and plans on including that concept in his 4th or 5th jfz book. face it. krashen's definition has been slam dunked into the fucking toilet where it belongs. hahaha

>> No.20027729

>>20027155
good for nuke for doing reading (and listening?) now.

>> No.20027764

>>20026130
It's not any reading. Manga isn't reading.

>> No.20027777

>>20027764
lol retard

>> No.20027785

>>20027764
>Manga isn't reading

Say that again please. おねがい

>> No.20027790

can someone remind me what directory i saved yotsuba to? i'm trying to see how much text exists in a volume so i can compare it to the amount of text i've read in a VN.

>> No.20027791

Is reading subtitles reading?

>> No.20027794

>>20027791
yea. in fact watching anime with subtitles is basically just reading and hardly listening practice.

>> No.20027809

>>20027790
groaning while typing this

>> No.20027814

>>20027809
why do you always badmouth me jamal?

>> No.20027823

is that badmouthing

>> No.20027838

>>20023178
>>20023165
>>20023151

The 224% number comes directly from simulating Anki. There's no theory behind it, it was found empirically

>> No.20027895

>>20027081
As far as I know she only did the first volume. It came out over 2 years ago, so I would say volume 2 is probably never going to happen.

>> No.20027899

>>20027791
If done right it should take you over an hour or two per episode because youre looking everything new up. If you're just watching while glancing down occassionally no, it's not reading.

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