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This is a DEKIRU JAPANESE THREAD designed by and for those interested in ironna nihon-kokusan media such as anime, manga (not reading), o-sushi, o-miyage, light novels, and video games that may or may not have been translated from Japanese.
If you have no interest in the above, delete Anki at once and read NHK EASY please.

Read the guide before asking stupid questions.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/

NHK EASY:
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/

TBS NEWS (Intermediate news for people who have pretty much had it with NHK Easy but aren't ready for NHK Normal news yet)
https://news.tbs.co.jp/index.html

DISCLAIMER: Besides Immersing/Listening/Reading more, no other methods have been proven to improve your Japanese. Any advice that ISN'T "Immerse, listen, and read more" should be taken with a grain of salt.

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https://ask.fm/moogy0/answers/131728572884
https://ask.fm/moogy0/answers/115778276820
https://ask.fm/moogy0/answers/139549834452

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おにいちゃんは

できる

>> No.20006031

i thought djt was gone for good this time

>> No.20006050

4ね

>> No.20006077

welcome back to the ペッパピッグ general!

>> No.20006080

>>20005984
that first one scares me. n1 learners can still fuck up that hard reading eroge?

>> No.20006124

>>20006080
n1 is not the end of learning nihongo. it’s enough to function in society

>> No.20006131

>>20006080
language isnt acquired hierarchically
higher level grammar slash vocab isnt even a thing
levels are just determined vaguely by usage

>> No.20006138

>>20006131
Mostly this, though most advanced grammar builds off of N5 and half of N4.

I know all of n5, most of n4 and n3, virtually none if n2, and a lot of n1.
After n4 the grammar us arbitrarily levelled.

>> No.20006140

>>20006131
Fucking Animal Crossing has "high-level" shit if you consider dialectical things to be difficult.

Of course, if you have the base vocab to support it, you'll just go "oh, that's a weird way of saying that" rather than scrambling for a dictionary every time you see おめえ and おもしれえぇ spoken by a "rough" character.

>> No.20006142

>>20006140
>おもろい

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yoshi, time for reading

>> No.20006327

Is there a specific difference in usage between 「」 and 『』? Is it like single and double quotes in English, or are there specific situations where you're supposed to use both, or what? I've seen dialogue written where they seemed to be used almost interchangeably so kind of made me wonder.

>> No.20006420

10 days of new words left on core6k, how long after will you usually have to review old cards for? im going to continue my mining deck but doing these reps every day has been so difficult, i think i have add or something my brain just becomes 鈍い

>> No.20006451

>>20006420
You can do them as long as you're alive or you can stop when the intervals get longer than (2 years) and save 2* hours for every 1000 words.
*number is calculated from other numbers

>> No.20006542

>>20006451
>*number is calculated from other numbers
reaction image

>> No.20006656

>>20006327
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/括弧
>引用する文章は「 」で囲む。引用する文章に「 」が用いられている場合には、「 」を『 』に置き換える。
引用する文の例:いずれ「真実」が明らかになる。
用例:その評論家は「いずれ『真実』が明らかになる」と述べた。

>> No.20006669

>>20006656
【不死鳥】
《皇》
†銀杏†

>> No.20006694

(((猶太)))

>> No.20006700

i'm fucking tired of studying. I just wanted to enjoy japanese media.. even after a year of grinding this shit every native material feels like a study session FUCK

>> No.20006708

>>20006700
just like consume japanese content dude

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https://fuwanovel.net/2012/10/translation-difficulty-tiers-by-moogy/

Does difficulty of translation reflect difficulty of comprehension? Could this list be considered a good list of things to read depending on what level you're at?

I guess "Normal" would be for beginners, "Hard" for intermediates, and "Very Hard" + "Impossible" + "Literally Impossible" for advanced.

>> No.20006760

>>20006700
Find fun stuff before you burn out. It's not easy but intermediate IS hell.

>> No.20006761

I've finally reached a level where I can actually read some Japanese, but spoken Jap still takes a dump all over me. I can barely understand people speaking to me in my own language, how am I supposed to do this one?

>> No.20006768

>>20006761
>spoken Jap still takes a dump all over me
Just listen to more stuff
>I can barely understand people speaking to me in my own language
Go see a doctor

>> No.20006780

>>20006768
I am a doctor, though.

>> No.20006847

How do you find Japs to speak to?

>> No.20006855

>>20006847
2chan.net

>> No.20006858

>>20006847
>>>/int/japanese
I've posted there a few times. Once I made a really embarrassing mistake where I understood and used a word to mean the opposite of what it's supposed to but nobody seemingly noticed and I still got my terrible Japanese praised somehow as well.

>> No.20006860

I met a guy who introduced himself as よみ as his first name. Isnt this a girls name? Is this normal or are his parents fucking retards?

>> No.20006863

>>20006858
he said japs not expats

>> No.20006868

>>20006863
It's mostly natives in the Japanese threads there. A lot of them don't speak any English so if you try asking them anything using anything but Japanese you get 0 replies most of the time.

>> No.20006899

>>20006860
Did you assume his gender? You shitlord.

>> No.20006901

>>20006899
>his
apologize

>> No.20006912

>>20006847
carpet stalking in osu!

>> No.20006919

>>20006855
What's the easiest way to post there outside of nipland?

>> No.20006951

>>20006868
it really isnt, they're just larping

>> No.20006956

うわあ

やさい

たかい

>> No.20007010

>>20006951
Most of the proxies and expats under Japanese flags on /int/ can't speak Japanese or are straight out of Tae Kim tier beginners.

If you try talking to the Japanese people in the Japanese threads about the country itself (which is what I've done), you'll see based on their knowledge that they're natives not expats.

>> No.20007017

>>20006919
Dunno. Japanese VPN probably? Better to set one for yourself with a VPS than buying a service, that is if you aren't scared of linux

>> No.20007049

1$は

じゃがいも

なんこ?

>> No.20007057

>>20007049
it's $1 you slant eyed cunt.

>> No.20007086

>>20007010
you're pretty naive

>> No.20007089

>>20007017
That sounds like a lot of effort, guess I'll just lurk

>> No.20007110

>>20007086
And you're ignorant. You've never posted or even lurked there yet act like a know-it-all.

>> No.20007116

>>20007089
Learning Japanese also sounds like a lot of effort

>> No.20007169

>>20007116
You can do that just by fucking about watching anime and reading manga though

>> No.20007181

What's the difference between

法律 and 法則?

Is 法律 more of man made law/ the legal topic of law, and 法則 is more of a 'rule' but not a legal one?

>> No.20007194

>>20007057
じゃがいもなんこかったら

$1になるの

あめりかで$1だすと

20こくらい買えそう

>> No.20007198

why does RTK list village as 町 and town as 村?

>> No.20007209

>>20007181
Use jj dictionaries such as kotobank for more precise explanations but you've hit the spot on 法律. Natural laws i.e. Newton's would be 法則.

>> No.20007212

>>20007198
Because heisig doesn't actually know japanese.

>> No.20007224

>>20007209
not him but I don't get why dictionaries like jmdict don't try to explain this stuff instead of using imprecise synonyms.

>> No.20007240

Why Heisigs keyword for 校 is exam and not school?

>> No.20007241

https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/grammar/dojg/dojgpages/intermediate%E3%81%A8.html

I could read today or I could spend my allotted reading time reading this stuff to try to understand what the fuck this basic particle is doing so I can understand what's going on.

>> No.20007242

>>20007240
Because he uses school as a keyword for other primitives and using the same keyword for too many primitives would make it harder to remember them.

>> No.20007254

>>20007241
There were enough examples there for me to do both.

>> No.20007259

>>20007254
I've been trying to dissect it for 20 minutes. Still don't understand it.

>> No.20007288

>>20007259
I don't think I can explain it better than dojg but just think of it as the nips being their lazy and ambiguous selves omitting what's obvious anyway (omou, fuu, iu etc). The part before と modifying the part after.

>> No.20007327

わたしはゲイ

>> No.20007333

>>20007209
Ah, I certainly do need to start never use jj dictionaries.

thanks anon.

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I hate to say this but I'm about to declare that playing regular vidya games is not reading.

I've spent the last 4 hours playing Zelda and have only encountered like 20 new words total. Normally I'd call this a success because I've been able to enjoy the large majority of text without thinking about it, but this is some slow progress. Admittedly these are mostly useless garbage words like 血塗る、怨念、and 欲望 (thanks 闇の神殿) but still.

At least I'll never forget what a 湖畔 is ever again.

>> No.20007363

>>20006743
i imagine lot of the impossible ones have like poems, culture references, or language jokes that makes it too much of a pain to translate i.e kanji puns

>> No.20007364

>>20007350
isn't this just obvious though

>> No.20007383

>>20007350
play a Jrpg? persona are basically half a visual novel. or if you want something lighter, FF or DQ.

>> No.20007389

why do some characters use kanji and others use kana for 俺? does using kana mean they're more childish?

>> No.20007402

using kana for any word that has existing kanji means the work is for brainlets and has zero value
you need to DROP it immediately if it doesn't even write years in kanji

>> No.20007405

>>20007402
no I mean there's a character that repeatedly uses 俺 to describe himself whereas his friend, who happens to be a nervous little faggot, always uses おれ.

>> No.20007408

I still have no idea what the difference between は and が is.

>> No.20007415

>>20007402
It's NG if it doesn't at the least use daiji and manyougana

>> No.20007428

>>20007408
Then read more

>> No.20007438

How come with Core 2k finished I still can't read anything without a bunch of new Kanji? I thought having the most common vocab down would be enough to get started.

>> No.20007442

>>20007389
オレ is probably more common than actual 俺 in the shit I've seen.

Then in 鹿男あをによし the guy refers to himself as just おれ.

Seems to be a stylistic thing

>> No.20007473

>>20007350
>reading without effort
>needs to mine 欲望

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>>20007438

>> No.20007483

>>20007473
I can remember this word after seeing it once thanks to RTK. longing/desire + ambition.

>> No.20007485

>>20007478
Even 80% seems like it would be a dream. I want that day to come soon...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qKyUXwCLCw

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>>20007438
Just guess the reading based on the rightmost radical and infer the meaning from the kanji.

Then look it up to see if you can guess correctly.
Isn't it fun? It's almost like a game.

>> No.20007508

>>20007438
How many unique kanji appear in core2k's word list?

>> No.20007515

>>20007485
good luck, it gonna need aperfect understanding of grammar and word nuances

>> No.20007520

>>20007487
She's so cute.

>> No.20007523

>>20007508
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11S-anuSEV5do9el4asZREsCQq9FOOshwBcH1h_psO6s/edit?usp=sharing

>> No.20007554

>>20005984
>刀護

>> No.20007582

>>20007478
I'm at about 80%.. feels bad man.

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Listen here 坊や, guess the reading of this: 小火

>> No.20007607

>>20007588
I like ones like these for studying pitch accent. It's hard to tell them apart by sound.

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>>20007487

>> No.20007767

>>20006077
ぶーぶー

>> No.20007774

>>20007497
Radicals don't really help much. Take the "movement" radical for instance. It is extremely generic and many of the kanji containing it don't have any immediate association with "movement". For instance, 違う. The fuck does that have to do with movement? Not gonna help me at all.

I know you said rightmost. How is that any different? From what I can tell, the left-most radical seems to be the most important.

>> No.20007808

>>20007774
This is why I stopped RTK after the first 300 and decided to learn kanji along with vocab.

This has resulted in me not learning certain readings until months after learning one Kanji (didn't know リキ for 力 till I ran into 人力 like 8 months after learning 力) but all in all it's much more practical and easier to remember since I can rely on prior knowledge to assist with sorting out new words.

Not knowing the Kanji is what it is, but eventually you run out of Kanji to not know. Just takes time.

>> No.20007830

japanese has got to be one of the hardest languages to learn to hear based on how fucking similar everything sounds.

>> No.20007842

>>20007588
>こひ
>しょうか
>しょうひ
>こか

yeah nah that's impossible to guess

>> No.20007856

The only kanji you need to learn on their own
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_kanji_by_concept

>> No.20007865

>>20007856
damn RTK taught me well.

>> No.20007866

I'm probably asking the wrong niggas, but I'll give it a shot anyway.
So I use anki on both my pc and my mobile phone, however I need to have different card settings for the two of them. As in the stylings have to be different. Is there a way that I can sync them up without having it change the styling of the cards?

>> No.20007873

>>20007866
nope.

>> No.20007878

Jesus Christ there's so much bullshit filler to fast forward through during the Piccolo arc.

>> No.20007883

>>20007873
Gay. Oh well, I'll just have to copy and paste it in each time. It's a bit of a drag but it can't be helped.

>> No.20007898

>>20007774
The onyomi is only gonna help you in compound kanji words. If you encounter a new kanji by itself the radicals won't help you.

But say you know how to read 正義, then most likely 征 in 征服 and 議/犠 in 議論 / 犠牲 will be read the same way as the 正 and 義.

Note: 正 can also be read as しょう so that is also a possibility. 症状 証言 etc.

That's what I mean by rightmost radical.

>> No.20007905

>>20007866
There's a way to make a card use different stylings for mobile and desktop, since notes are parsed by the web engine and you can use JS. I do not remember how exactly though.

>> No.20007922

>>20007866
https://apps.ankiweb.net/docs/manual.html#platform-specific-css

>> No.20008035

>>20007856
>The only kanji you need to learn on their own
>proceeds to list 500+ kanji

>> No.20008039
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Can someone with an account on the koohii site tell the RikaiRebuilt dev that his add-on is trying to de-inflect nouns as if they were verbs (e.g. giving "穴 けつ (<imperative)" as a result for けて)?

Also, his add-on suffers from the same る-ending godan verb bug that Yomichan does and Rikaichamp used to:
https://github.com/FooSoft/yomichan/issues/118
https://github.com/birtles/rikaichamp/issues/36

His thread is here:
https://forum.koohii.com/thread-15119.html

Alternatively, if someone has an GitHub account, I'd appreciate it if you could post the above as an issue on the add-on's page there:
https://github.com/Garethp/RikaiRebuilt

>> No.20008048

>>20007774
>違う
It's more of the road radical and in that situation things be different actually is a movement. If something is different then it's moved in a way. I think your problem is you have an arguementive brain not a reasoning brain.

>> No.20008061

>>20008039
i wonder what causes the bug and how champ fixed it

>> No.20008067

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaykQaRHRJE

Someone please tell me what the guy in the beginning says. I've been trying with google for a bit, but can't figure it out.

>> No.20008070

>>20008035
At least it's less than 3k

>> No.20008099

>>20008067
最近スピナーっていうやつらが幅を利かせてるらしいけど
世界で一番うまいのは
俺だぜ

Cool HTT cover.

>> No.20008108

>>20008099
>幅を利かせてる
Struggled to pick up this bit, thanks anon.

>> No.20008112

>>20008099
>These days spinners seems to make their bread wider. The best thing in the world is. It's me.

I don't really get it. ;_;

>> No.20008152

how helpful is genki? I was given it as a gift and now that have time to learn, should I read genki before I start the 2k? or should I do it the other way around or...? I also have a beginners Japanese dictionary. What do you guys think is my best way to start?

>> No.20008153

>>20008061
He commented his fixes so just read through it:
https://github.com/birtles/rikaichamp/commit/7cfaf11901919b27af728255d1683fc69cf046bc

The rikairebuilt dude on the other hand seems to have no clue when looking through his code.

>> No.20008167

>>20008152
Why do you only want to do one thing?
Do anki then an hour later genki or some other guide then listening then reading and just try your best.
Everyday for three years. Good luck.

>> No.20008210

>>20008152
Genki then Core. Or Genki while doing a Genki vocab deck.

>> No.20008343

>>20008210
everything at once like a nihongo pimp

>> No.20008518

>>20007169
Manga isn't reading buddy.

>> No.20008529

>>20008152
I hesitate to mention Matt, but I think his advice about watching raw anime from day one is worth considering. I think it would help a lot as you went through Genki if you had some authentic native material to listen to so you could hear the grammar you're learning about actually being used in meaningful contexts.

As for Core, you can do it alongside Genki if you want. Maybe limit your new cards to 15 so as not to overwhelm yourself too much, then keep an ear out for the words you've learned in your listening material.

In terms of what anime to watch, rewatching shows you've already seen is a good choice since you already understand what's going on which can help with figuring out the dialogue. Bonus points if it's CGDCT since the language will tend toward the simpler end of the spectrum. But you can do what you want; If you'd prefer, you could just pick a bunch of stuff from this season and watch that as it airs, or watch some shows from your backlog instead.

>I also have a beginners Japanese dictionary
No reason to use it over a free, online electronic dictionary like Jisho. The fact that it's marketed as a "beginners" dictionary probably means it doesn't have many entries anyway.

>> No.20008532

>>20008529
Oh yeah, and don't bother doing any of the exercises in Genki. That sort of thing is just a waste of time. All you want are the explanations and example sentences.

>> No.20008546

how the fuck do you learn "casual" japanese? like when they shorted words or grammar rules i.e なければ because きゃ is there a list somewhere? I have been reading and whenever i encounter such shorting or a causal speech I have no way of figuring out what the hell they are trying to say and googling rarely ever does help. Please help.

>> No.20008566

>>20008546
>is there a list somewhere?
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/grammar/masterreference.html

>> No.20008601

>>20008566
holy shit, this site maintainer is a fucking saint.

>> No.20008613

>>20008532
Genki is designed around the exercises being there, and also lectures being given. Example: the case particle function of から is ONLY taught in the vocabulary list for a reading exercise.

Conclusion: they shouldn't even use Genki. Just use Tae Kim / Pomax / Sakubi / Boiro / Ixrec / Whatever as long as it's not designed around being used by classes and just start fucking reading and listening. You could even do Imabi if you were enough of a masochist.

>>20008546
I learned these things by eating manga. They're so common in natural-sounding dialogue that it doesn't even matter if you don't "get" them the first two times you see them, you'll realize that they're used interchangeably with their full-length forms eventually.

>>20008518
You don't know Japanese.

>>20008153
Rikairebuilt is impressive but it does indeed seem like its developer doesn't really know what they're doing. That doesn't really matter, though, as long as their program functions the way it's supposed to and they have "competition".

>> No.20008655

>>20008613
>You could even do Imabi if you were enough of a masochist.
The English in that guide was so riddled with errors last time I looked at it that it was hard to tell what the author was even trying to say.

>> No.20008793

>>20008546
Listen more.

>> No.20008807

>>20008048
>I think your problem is you have an arguementive brain not a reasoning brain.
No. The problem is that you can make connections for any radical, which is fine when you already know what the kanji is. But if it is a new kanji, your brain isn't gonna figure out some obscure thing like road = different / wrong. It's going to go for the thing that makes the most sense. Most kanji are only loosely related to their radicals, which doesn't help a lot if you only know the radical.

>> No.20008845

When reading RAW manga how much comprehension is enough? Like if you know what they are saying but don't know the grammar points, or why they used them is that enough to move on? or do you google until you figure out everything?

>> No.20008849

>>20007169
Anime isn't watching buddy.

>> No.20008862

>>20008845
Do a mix of both, look up stuff you don't know whenever you feel like it, but still continue reading when you don't feel like it.

I think it can hurt more being too strict and ultimately reading less.

>> No.20008925

We dead now

>> No.20008989

>>20008845
As Stephen Krashen says,

https://youtu.be/NiTsduRreug?t=4m31s

>> No.20008990

Good, our activity level was artificially inflated by a small number of low quality actors.

>> No.20009102

I'm too stuck on figuring out what と and という and こと do, and have been for the past 3 weeks, to contribute to this thread.

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>>20006155

>> No.20009131

>>20008989
>i used to use sex as an examples of things everyone does the same
>but some counterexamples have been pointed out to me recently
>actually i saw this movie if you really want to know the truth

>> No.20009181

>>20008989
sounds smart and reasonable but let's be honest who knows if he's right.

>> No.20009215

hey friends, I'm graduating from university next year, and I'm thinking instead of starting my career right away, is to go to japan and go to a language school there for 6 months. I'm about low N3 atm and I think after a year and those 6 months that might push me to near fluency. is there any language schools that you guys recommend?I don't want 4fun shit with 2 hours classes/day I want more serious, focused school with at least 5-6 hours of classes a day.

>> No.20009284

How do I stop myself from relying on mnemonics from kanji so much? I need to learn what words are in any context, not just remember a definition based on how a character looks.

>> No.20009331

>>20008989
I disagree with some of his point
>Talking is not practicing
sure, maybe talking to your self is not going to make learn new things, but i reckon it will help you talk faster, and stutter less. instead of taking 3 minutes to construct that sentence next time it might take you 10 seconds.

>> No.20009341

>>20009215
>6 months
I'd recommend 12 months. Even if you get to a N2/N1 level and feel satisfied with your progress then you're still able to study shit like keigo and business etiquette.
As for specific schools, here's one I was looking at a few months ago before realising that I'd rather spend 2020 in literally any other JP city than Tokyo
https://gogonihon.com/en/language-schools/tokyo/akamonkai/
https://www.akamonkai.ac.jp/english/

>> No.20009377

Is there any way to automatically put Japanese definitions to all cards of an Anki deck? Also is there a J>J dictionary for Yomichan?

>> No.20009378

>>20009341
I'm not sure I can save enough to live there for a year, depends on the rent but even then it would be real tight. Maybe if i get a part time job but I doubt they would hire me over some hs kid

>> No.20009415

>>20009378
That's why I was looking at Akamonkai, because they can help you find a part time job. It'll probably be manual labour but if you look decent and/or your conversational skills are good enough then you might be able to get a better job.

>> No.20009442

>>20009377
to get epwing dictionaries into yomichan, google yomichan import.

>> No.20009470

>>20009331
someone here came up with a way to distinguish "coming up with" how to say something and actually physically saying it, they called the first "encoding" and said that it should come naturally (though you have to listen a lot or it's really slow) and the second part is the only part that requires speaking practice to get good at (because the first part gets good as you start thinking in japanese too)

>> No.20009477

>>20009415
Isn't it illegal to get a job in Japan with a student visa?

>> No.20009502

>>20009477
I wonder if online income counts as a job, ie if you made a few bucks of japanese vlogs on youtube or some shit.

>> No.20009504

>>20008845
>>20008862
Manga isn't reading in the first place.

>> No.20009505

>>20008601
ikr, we have no excuse not to be fluent with this sort of access. If you do like 6 hours a day, in 3 years you should be "fluent", full time I'm thinking 18 months to be a nihongo god. Just put yourself through the hardships of reading and looking words up, and reviewing a lot. The information is there and abundent. You have no excuse, you either want it or you don't.

>> No.20009520

>>20009477
You have to apply for permission to get a job and you have a maximum amount of hours you're allowed to work per week, across any amount of jobs.
https://study.gaijinpot.com/guide/working-as-a-student-japan/
That should help explain it.

>> No.20009529

>>20009504
My bad.
>When drinking RAW manga how much comprehension is enough?

>> No.20009548

>>20009215
> full time I'm thinking 18 months to be a nihongo god.
Maybe like a minor god with a roadside hokora only kept alive by one old lady's monthly onigiri offering.

>> No.20009554

>>20009215
Took Matt 3 years to reach true fluency and he achieved it faster than anyone else under optimal conditions (24/7 immersion).

>> No.20009562

>>20009554
is this post a parody of something

>> No.20009578

>>20009341
I always wondered about these placement tests, I can probably speak/understand at about N3 level but i probably can write a single digit number of kanjis from memory. Would I get placed at the absolute lowest class ? because then it would be an utter waste of time.

>> No.20009618

>>20009578
That's why you contact them and explain your situation. One of my friends was pretty similar (different school, theirs was in Kyoto) and his school just had him cram in more early written classes while in verbal classes that was around his level. After 3 months he was mostly caught up and other than keeping a dictionary on-hand for some of the kanji he missed, he was fine.
So if they give you that option, prepare for a few months of cramming and a lot of homework/self study

>> No.20009777

>>20009442
I mean, I have a given deck of cards, with English definitions. Is there a way I can transform all the English definitions into Japanese ones programmatically?

>> No.20009801
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>> No.20009954

>>20009554
nothing here is true

>> No.20010020

>>20009554
nothing here is false

>> No.20010030

just finished learning japanese
ask me anything

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It's almost entirely true, but with the power of hindsight he's somewhat optimized his method so it's wrong to say what he did was optimal.

I'd estimate that if you follow this method it'll take 2-2.5 years to achieve true fluency.

>> No.20010077

>light novels aren't real novels
that guide is crap

>> No.20010091

>>20010020
meant to quote >>20009954

>> No.20010097

>>20010030
anata ha gei desuka?

>> No.20010122

>>20009554
nothing posted here is remotely accurate

>> No.20010129

>>20010097
totemo

>> No.20010145

>>20010039
>but with the power of hindsight he's somewhat optimized his method
Only to realise his 'optimisations' made everything worse, so now he's back-peddled on them.

He said he felt guilty about giving people bad advice yet for some reason has left the 2 videos containing said bad advice up on his channel so more people can fall victim to it.

>> No.20010156

I just remembered that if I'm having trouble with a grammar point I can read an alternative explanation for that grammar point. I'm so fucking excited!

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>> No.20010159

>>20010129
i was just testing your ability and i must say you have surpassed all of my expectations.

>> No.20010166

>>20010145
All part of the process.
He's molding MIA into something truly wonderful.

Meanwhile DJT remains static.

>> No.20010170

1. pick pretty fucking much any method that eventually incorporates media consumption
2. do it for a few hours a day
3. enjoy fluency

r8 and h8 my foolproof guide to learning the nipponese

>> No.20010172

I just remembered that if I'm having trouble with a grammar point, then nobody is forcing me to learn Japanese so I can just quit. I'm so fucking excited!

>> No.20010173

>>20010170
>nipponese
Sounds like a good sauce what does it taste like

>> No.20010174

>>20010173
salty coins

>> No.20010175

>>20010172
Wait a sec what are you trying to get at here. How does this relate to what I said.

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>>20010157

>> No.20010185

>>20010175
It doesn't have anything to do with what you said. I'm just excited to be able to quit

>> No.20010215

>>20010170
too long. here's a better guide
1) close djt
2) learn japanese

>> No.20010223

>>20010166
you can't improve upon perfection
1) read more
2) don't think, feel
3) take amphetamines, you'll enjoy it
the holy trinity

>> No.20010232

>>20010170
1. just learn nihongo
No need to thank me

>> No.20010258

I'm confused about the idea of a mining deck? Do you just make an Anki deck and add any words you don't understand while reading to it? I feel like I'm missing something.

>> No.20010264

>>20010258
you don't add every word, just words that you're seeing often enough that you think it'd be useful to throw them into anki

>> No.20010274

>>20010232
truly the holy grail of learning nihongo

>> No.20010278

very fun fun fact not a single one of the people behind the last 50 posts knows any japanese

>> No.20010282

>>20010232
1: Be born in Japan
2: Learn nihongo as native language
3: learn Eigo whenever you feel like it, should only take you like a year tops

>> No.20010285

>>20010278
how did you know that? people are still able to call me out every time.

>> No.20010287

very fun fun fact only one person has been behind the last 50 posts

>> No.20010291

>>20010285
both occams and hanlons
>>20010287
this but in a metaphysical sense

>> No.20010375

たまごりょうりおしえて

たまごりょうりべんきょうしたい

>> No.20010385

>japanese is useless
>learning it is impossible for most of you anyways
>youre not even japanese
>if the number of books youve read is less than the number of years youve been studying, you should give up now
>djt sucks
*flush*

>> No.20010387

>>20010159
watashi ha ichiban tsuyoi gaijin

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>>20010166
Matt starts out as an AJATTer.
Matt thinks AJATT can be improved and tells people how.
Matt realises his "improvements" actually made AJATT worse and tells people to do what Khatz said from the beginning.
Despite removing his "improvements" and going back to vanilla AJATT, Matt's delusions of grandeur prompt him to rebrand "his" method as MIA which he only fully explains to people who pay him enough money on Patreon.

There you go. a brief history of Matt and MIA.

>> No.20010407

>>20010398
>Despite removing his "improvements"
Wrong. Matt stresses the importance of listening more than Khatz. He also recommends either a grammar guide or a shared sentence deck that gradually introduces grammar points. He also made improvements to the monolingual transition.

It's time for you to accept that he's basically a genius and few foreigners come close to his level.

>> No.20010434

>>20010387
what? i cant understand your broken japanese

>> No.20010448

>>20010375
step 1) buy eggs
step 2) cook eggs
step 3) add bacon

>> No.20010458

>>20010398
this

>> No.20010468

>>20010458
I already refuted it.

>> No.20010475

Hello minasan!

watashi have been benkyouing nihongo for a while now with Genki, but now watashi wakaranai what watashi should do tsugi. Can anybody tetsudau watashi? Arigatou!

>> No.20010485

>>20010407
Well articulated, my brother. Praise Matt-sama!

>> No.20010509

>>20010485
How many hours a week should you listen to the Gospel?

>> No.20010546

>I walked out of the room to go do a stinky
can someone rate my translation?

>> No.20010556

>>20010509
I am always listening to the Word, even when I'm sleeping. According to Matt-sama, immersion is key.

>> No.20010561

>he thinks playing ajatt videos in the background is immersion

>> No.20010572

>>20010407
>Matt stresses the importance of listening more than Khatz.
Khatz told people they needed to do 10,000 hours of listening and said they should immerse in Japanese even in their sleep. Literally "All Japanese All The Time". I think he stressed it plenty.

>He also recommends either a grammar guide
Khatz references grammar guides and admits to mining sentences from them. Where do you think Matt got the idea to mine Tae Kim from?

>or a shared sentence deck that gradually introduces grammar points
Available to his Patreons only, of course (despite being copyrighted material which he didn't even put together, lol).

>He also made improvements to the monolingual transition.
His method for the monolingual transition is shit too. Not to mention, the whole concept is pointless autism in the first place.

The only original thoughts Matt has are bad ones.

>> No.20010579

>>20010572
>I think he stressed it plenty.
Wrong. Early reading cripples your listening ability. Matt tells his disciples to listen from the start and to put off reading as long as possible. Preferably for a year.
>Khatz references grammar guides
Khatz said you should ditch grammar guides and try to learn solely from input.
>Available to his Patreons only
That's the price you pay for genius.
>His method for the monolingual transition is shit too.
Wrong, it's genius.

Anyone else think they can attack Matt? I'll take you down a notch.

>> No.20010583

>>20010579
but you just lost that argument

>> No.20010586

>>20010583
I've been keeping track. I've won all 31 arguments I've ever had on DJT.

>> No.20010592

>>20010586
give up. you lost that one and this one

>> No.20010594

>>20010579
>Early reading cripples your listening ability.
is there any source for this statement backed by empirical evidence with N greater than, say, 3

>> No.20010602

>>20010594
Matt is the literally the only person who has ever said it. And he doesn't know because he never did it himself.

>> No.20010605

m*tt is a nigger

>> No.20010608

>>20010594
Yes, Matt has known many people whose listening ability was crippled from excessive reading.

Here is one such person:
https://youtu.be/fpCTZQFJcjc?t=9874

>> No.20010611

>>20010602
but matt knows everything

>> No.20010631

>matt general
okay, now this is getting epic

>> No.20010644

>toilet general
we're right on topic

>> No.20010653

>>20010475
I honestly still come here to see posts like these.

>> No.20010673

alright
so heres the deal
when you tell retards to do x what theyll hear is do x and nothing but x
so you cant tell these goons to just read more because thats all theyll do theyll never listen more
so then they get two years into their learning and try anime for the first time and get raped
but that doesnt mean their accent and listening ability is destroyed
they just have to bring it up to par
its not some magic enlightened guru shit
also the idea that you cant fix incorrect knowledge is so beyond bad pseudoscience ill assume you guys are joking about that one

i mean minna genki

>> No.20010676

>>20010653
you read his post but refuse to help?

>>20010475
don't worry, i've got you covered, tomodachi. just suteru all kyoukasho and go miru anime for 3 jikan a day and yomu manga for 2 hours a day.

>> No.20010683

>>20010673
genki desu

>> No.20010688

>>20010676
manga wa yomanai

>> No.20010691

>>20010608
so, we have N = 1

someone call up a linguistics journal and publish this groundbreaking discovery

>> No.20010692

>>20010688
djt mo kara hayaku x wo clicku shite anime wo miru bitch

>> No.20010716

>>20010692
bicchi

>> No.20010720

>>20010716
TL note: bicchi means slut

>> No.20010727

>>20007487
ugly like an ol shoe

>> No.20010741

>>20010720
TL note: slut means your mom

>> No.20010743

>>20010691
What makes his testimony more reliable than Matt's? By your standards N = 0. Gonna agree and backtrack?

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>>20010716
>>20010692
>>20010691
>>20010688
>>20010683
>>20010676
>>20010673
>>20010653
>>20010644
>>20010631
>>20010611
>>20010608
>>20010605
>>20010602
>>20010594
>>20010592
>>20010586
>>20010583
>>20010579
>>20010572
>>20010561
>>20010556
>>20010485

Why the fuck aren't you immersing right now?
Here's a thought
>1 shitpost in DJT = your choice of 1 of the following:
>15 minutes of active listening
>100 reps in Anki or your choice of other flashcards
>5 articles read on news of your current level

You fuckers would get so good that we'd be developing our own Nihongo dialect/slang by now.

>> No.20010755

>>20010747
Because the anime I want to watch is downloading right now, so I have nothing to do

>> No.20010761

>>20007487
>on top of that i already hate myself
>and nobody can hate myself more than me
tfw know that feel

>> No.20010762

Are there any kanji decks out there which are ordered based on visual similarity? So that you can memorize ~5-10 similar-looking kanji around the same time, in order to not visually confuse them later?

Alternatively, is there a list/resource of the jouyou or JLPT kanji sorted/grouped by radicals like this so I could potentially reference it to reorder the cards in another kanji deck?

>> No.20010770

>>20010747
>you fuckers would get so good that we'd be developing our own Nihongo dialect/slang by now
actually, your the only one who hasn't
>>20010692
>>20010688
>>20010683
>>20010673
>>20010475

>> No.20010771

>>20010743
>What makes his testimony more reliable than Matt's? By your standards N = 0. Gonna agree and backtrack?
i don't actually give a shit what khaz says

you made an affirmative claim: "early reading cripples your listening ability"

provide ANY proof of this

>> No.20010774

>>20010747
i have properly diagnosed adhd and every time there's a break in my LN i pop over here to write a post. i usually goodpost, though, so i don't know why you got mad at me

>> No.20010817

>this is a cool country, whats it called?
>nippon
>i like the name japan. i'm going to call you japan instead

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>>20010407
I know this is bait but dogen in 5 years had better pitch accent than matt did in 8. He's far from any sort of savant. He's just a guy that went try hard and it took him longer than it did khatz, yogapants, his friend trevor, and dogen. In 5 years nobody will know matt is. This is just his little moment to make money on people who don't know what they're doing yet. Ajatt is basically common sense, they didn't invent anything.

>> No.20010836

>>20010820
I know this is bait, but he literally invented the perfect method for learning Japanese. It's so effective that Japanese now has a chance of becoming the world's universal language. His name will go down in the history books of all future generations.

>> No.20010856

>>20010820
>I know this is bait but dogen in 5 years had better pitch accent than matt did in 8
Matt didn't start practicing pitch accent until like 1 or 2 years ago. And what sense does this post even make?
>This one guy has better pitch accent, therefore...
Try to think before shitting on ONE of the best Japanese learners of all time.

32-0

>> No.20010870

p sure all 32 of your quote victories unquote fall apart the instant someone replies with open bracket citation needed close bracket dont at me b t w infinity dash zero

>> No.20010871

>>20010398
What is this cringey shit?

>> No.20010895

>>20010871
that is the guy you all look up to so much

>> No.20010909

シコ男
Wanker?

>> No.20010910

>>20010398
why do all u guys know all this shit? so much time is spent looking at other people learn japanese instead of learning your damn self.

>> No.20010916

for anki 2k are u supposed to mature the cards or get them in young+learned?

>> No.20010924

>>20010916
should I upgrade or stay with basic anki?

>> No.20010929

>>20010916
>not just learning nihongo
I just don't understand you people

>> No.20010934

i'm begging you, i'm begging you, for the love of fucking god, please, stop mattposting, it's worse than anything else in this fucking thread it's no wonder jamal wants to abandon us

>> No.20010945

>>20010934
i still can't tell to date if there's anyone in these threads who unironically likes matt instead of just shitposting about him

>> No.20010946

>>20010934
lowercase posting is worse

>> No.20010965

>>20010946
lowercase posting isn't worse because you can still at least have a fucking conversation, as soon as matt is brought up it's literally 50 posts in a row of AJATT WORKS NO IT DOESN'T YES IT DOES WHY IS MATT SO SMART WHY IS MATT SO DUMB WHY DOESN'T NUKE CHAN FUCKING KNOW JAPANESE YET GIVE MATT YOUR MONEY like if i could literally shit in every mattposter's mouth with i would

>> No.20010971

>>20010965
i only post about matt because of lowercase posters

>> No.20010975

>鬱
just stop doing this kind of thing
i know it's trite and played out to complain about kanji with high stroke counts but please

>> No.20010980

>>20010975
youll never write it anyway
the wild and unique shape helps it stand out more in your memory
next complaint

>> No.20010983

>>20010971
lowercase posting existed for years before the first godforsaken retard decided to move DJT to /jp/

>> No.20010986

>>20010983
check the archives it was much less prevalent. and i won't take it without a fight hence matt posting

>> No.20010995

>>20010934
normally id agree, but this is the most discussion this thread has seen in a while

>> No.20011002

>>20010924
im not sure

>> No.20011011

>>20010986
lowercase posting has been a /jp/ go-to for talking to anyone who thinks you're a complete fucking retard for years and years

the reason there's so much more of it these days is because there's so many more retarded posts in DJT

>> No.20011014

>>20011011
you're only fueling the downward spiral congratulations. i for one welcome it

>> No.20011017

>>20011011
for talking to anyone you think is a complete retard*

>>20011014
it's literally not possible to go below the floor of 24/7 e-celeb wanking

honestly if it's possible i'd actually like to see it

>> No.20011024

>>20011011
actually lowercase-punctuationless posting is so the retards cant figure out what your post says and cant reply people with high-intellect can figure out what the post says from context

>> No.20011033

>>20011024
maybe everyone has their own standards for lowercase posting

>> No.20011039

When you are looking for the best way to learn a language, you should look for someone who already got the results that you want, and then do what they did.

Matt immersed so much that now he hates anime and pretty much all Japanese content. So now that he knows Japanese, he has nothing to do with it. Sounds like a nightmare to me. Why would anyone want to follow in his footsteps?

>> No.20011042

I don't care for that stuff, but I think people should refrain from using quote links to force ADHD kids to actually read the thread instead of getting "notifications" when someone replies to them.

>> No.20011043

>>20011033
ban uppercasers

>> No.20011047

matt never liked anime in the first place he was just a loser that wanted to accomplish something and learning a language is a lot easier than being good at math or science or an instrument or something

>> No.20011051

>>20011047
lol

>> No.20011054

>>20011043
then matt posting shall continue c:

>> No.20011059

>>20011042
the (you) notification is actual cancer but i'm not going to break up the flow of conversation for the purpose of fighting the 4chan UI in a war that will never be won

and that's not even the real problem: this thread is shitty EVEN when compared to other professionally shitty general threads

>>20011054
there is literally no difference between an upper case and a lower case post other than the formatting

don't be a shit eater who focuses on style over content

>> No.20011063

upper case posts
>>20010820
>>20010836
>>20010579
>>20010572

lower case posts
>>20010683
>>20010688
>>20010692
>>20010716

you decide which you'd rather read

>> No.20011064 [DELETED] 

>>20011063
some manga t b h

>> No.20011065

>>20011059
bullshit lowercase posters have jacked up this thread with their shitty 5 word posts that say nothing and coincidentally these are the posters who spam shitty memes

>>20006951
>>20006901
>>20006863
>>20006708
i know you'll claim these posts are somehow quality or more quality than the posts they're replying to but you're just bullshitting

>> No.20011066

> トートにそう言われてじっと見つめられた時は、母親に言われた以上に決心がぐらついた。
the average mattposter can't figure this out, but the average lowercase poster can

>> No.20011070

>i'm not going to break up the flow of conversation for the purpose of fighting the 4chan UI in a war that will never be won
You don't have to do that, 4chan has specific markup for quoting purposes (hence WAYQ) so you can clarify who you're addressing if needed.

>> No.20011073

>>20011066
Mattposter here, can confirm

>> No.20011081

>>20011065
>bullshit lowercase posters have jacked up this thread with their shitty 5 word posts
those are all total shitposts and they're awful i'm not going to argue about that much but you might as well just call them contentless shitposts instead of blaming it on the spacing

>i know you'll claim these posts are somehow quality or more quality than the posts they're replying to
>>20006951 and >>20006863 are actually shit posts based on some lazy know-it all actively degrading a conversation about /int/
>>20006901 is shit but isn't any more shit than >>20006899
>>20006708 really isn't any more shit than >>20006700

>> No.20011084

>>20011081
alright lads report in how many yous did you get from this zero here i am model citizen

>> No.20011087

>>20011070
>You don't have to do that, 4chan has specific markup for quoting purposes (hence WAYQ) so you can clarify who you're addressing if needed.
i've been posting the same way on 4chan for a very large number of years and i don't care enough to change that flow

arguably i'm also contributing to the problem but certainly not appreciably more than anyone else, god bless complacency

>> No.20011095

zero here. i think he's making those posts himself to "prove" a point

>> No.20011106

>>20011081
>is shit but isn't any more shit than
first one is still more prevalent in this thread
>really isn't any more shit than
both of these are lowercase shitposters. at least the post being responded to is lamenting genuinely though

>> No.20011111

>>20011084
also zero. but i got a few of my posts quoted as being "good or constructive" so i'm feeling pretty much like i'm king of shitty butt mountain right now

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>tfw you open anki only to realize you've already done your reps for the day

>> No.20011124

>>20011106
>at least the post being responded to is lamenting genuinely though
i mean i don't consider even a genuine lament to be a particularly quality contribution since it's in some sense just blogposting, there's nothing to say to it except either "do your best" or "fuck off."

>> No.20011127

>>20011111
チェックした

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>>20011120
>tfw open your LN because you don't have time for anki anymore so you get to perform actual study

>> No.20011141

>>20011124
i don't either but it's better than any pointless 6 word post that responds to it for no reason

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Alright boys, it's time for the DOKI DOKI Study Chance Game!

Translation for dekinai-hitotachi:

Check your post digits, the last digits = your BENKYOU CHANCE

1-3 = 100 Anki Reps
4-6 = 15 minutes of active listening
7-9 = 15 minutes of reading your preference of book/VN/news/etc
0 = Your choice of any of the above
DEMON DUBS = 2x the amount of the last digit of your rolled BENKYOU CHANCE
DEVIL'S TRIPS = A full set of the 3 BENKYOU CHANCEs

>> No.20011145

Lowercase posters suck

>> No.20011152

>>20011145
no punctuation? you're just like them

>> No.20011155

>>20011142
pls be vn

>> No.20011158

lowercase posters best poster

>> No.20011160

>>20011155
>listening
you're. fucking. dead, kiddo

>> No.20011162

>>20011142
I'm going to ignore my number and continue watching a grammar video.

>> No.20011164

>>20011128
>studying nihongo
you don't have a chance

>> No.20011173

i feel like study was a poor word choice because ultimately i'm just enjoying reading a book but whatever man

>> No.20011175

>>20011142
You shouldn't have tried to write in Japanese, I can't see many people taking it seriously that way.

>> No.20011176

>>20011160
i'll just listen to subbed anime then

>> No.20011204
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>>20011173
heres a book for you to enjoy

>> No.20011210

to those who have achieved fluency, what is it like?

>> No.20011218

>>20011142
guess ill go again

>> No.20011222

ベーコンってなに?

おいしいの?

>> No.20011231

>>20011210
You should make a new thread to ask this question, as there's a chance that someone in /jp/ knows but almost certain that nobody who browses DJT does.

>> No.20011233
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these stories really can be way too cruel sometimes. somebody who's read kino some please share my pain with me

>> No.20011273

>>20011231
I have a feeling >>20011222 knows

>> No.20011303

>>20011233
That's the loneliness of learning Japanese. By the time you've read it, everyone else already has already forgotten about it. By the time anyone else reads it, you'll have forgotten about it.

>> No.20011320

>>20011303
i'll never forget how sick i feel right now. i can remember every bad thing that's ever happened to me and this is one of them

>> No.20011345

>>20011142
rolling

>> No.20011359

>>20011320
Sounds like a real feels roller coaster. It always sucks when nobody else is around when that happens

>> No.20011374

>>20011345
well i was going to link to one of the rap videos in this thread and say "listen to this", but no such videos have been posted today

>> No.20011384

>took me 60 minutes to read the first 40 lines of a VN
This is what I get for falling for the Anki meme and putting off actually reading

>> No.20011392

>>20011384
I wish I had done more anki before reading. There's just no point in reading at my level because if I don't know the words it's harder for me to remember them as I parse a larger sentence so I have to reread the same sentence 10 times only to fail to understand it and move on regardless.

>> No.20011396

>>20011142
lets do this
ぼくらのチャンス

>> No.20011408

>>20011384
>>20011392
starting fucking sucks no matter what. the only way you're gonna get better at reading is if you read more. no matter how much core you grind first, you'll still have to look up 100 words every minute. also, no matter how many grammar resources you've read before reading actual material, it'll still look like nonsense. you just have to keep banging your head on stuff until it starts to click sorry

>> No.20011409

>>20011396
more listening
it must be a sign

>> No.20011411

>>20011384
>This is what I get for trying to learn a new language
ftfy

>> No.20011421

that's what i get for being me

>> No.20011445

>>20011303
>tfw reading something at the same time but bad translation kills good discussion prospects nevertheless

>> No.20011534

ハムとベーコンの

ちがいをのべよ

>> No.20011618

>>20011534
やさしい、ちがいこブタのお腹、そしてほかをブタの側面。でも同じ肉ちょっとだ。

>> No.20011640

>>20011345
TFW ended up watching 12 episodes of Anime (no subs).

Not gonna re-roll for fear I might forget to sleep tonight.

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>>20007856
What is the difference

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>>20011618

>> No.20011679

How did 電 come around when electricity was only a recent invention?
What was it's original meaning before electricity?

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>>20011679
gee I wonder

>> No.20011686

>>20011679
雷電
Thunder and lightning

>> No.20011697

>>20008989
>things correlated to better language acquisition
>self esteem
>no anxiety

Well, fuck me. Guess I will never learn Japanese.

>> No.20011733

Wheres the second episode of Yogamatt podcast

>> No.20011741

>>20008989
>can't learn a thing without context
>Umm what is an imagination
>pronouncing doesn't help
I like most of what he says but some of his points are flat out retarded. Pronouncing is pretty crucial unless you want to talk like a retard.

>> No.20011748

>>20011656
かたち、からだ、すがた

>> No.20011755

>>20010039
What is RTK?

>> No.20011756

Any recommendations for JLPT N1 practice books? I want to do as many mock exams as possible

>> No.20011761

>>20011741
He didn't mention anything about pronunciation, but you can infer from his lecture that he would consider pronunciation skills to be secondary to language acquisition. You are not learning anything meaningful by learning pronunciation, you are just refining what you already know. I believe that was his point insofar as vocal practice is concerned.

>> No.20011817

Kyou's nihongo kotoba of the nichi: 尿
mata ne

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>かける

>> No.20011992

>>20011141
it wasn't for no reason, if someone is finding it mentally taxing to enjoy japanese media after a year of studying they need to radically alter their approach to consuming japanese

>> No.20012051

妹の尿まみれで居たい

>> No.20012057

The only good kana loanword is コロシアム

>> No.20012106

Does anyone know if there is a way to decrease the exponential rate at which anki cards mature? I just "passed" a card which now won't show up until March of 2019. That's just too long. I think perhaps 2 months would be enough for the upper limit at which a card can be pushed back.

>> No.20012107

AHHH I JUST CAN'T PRONOUNCE THE JAPANESE R CORRECTLY I'M GIVING UP

I hope they enjoy my thicc French R

>> No.20012137

>>20012107
It's literally just "D". How is that hard?

>> No.20012150

>>20012107
I Intentionally pronounce my R's as L's to fuck with people

>> No.20012154

>>20012137
I can do it if i'm just going RA RI RU RE RO, but if it's combined in a word like これ or うるさい it just sounds like a regular L

>> No.20012163

>>20012154
Japanese R is not pronounced like L, that is a beginner myth that isn't even remotely accurate. The Japanese R is about 90% "D" sound, as in "Dog", and 10% L sound. If you sound out D, notice the position of your tongue. It should be on the roof of your mouth. Now sound out "L", your tongue should be touching your teeth. Put your tongue where the "D" sound is, and then very slightly (about 10-20%) towards the L sound.

>> No.20012168

https://youtu.be/7EX3SNlCfpM?t=1h19m20s

What the fuck did you guys do to nuke chan? He's reading and listening to Japanese.

>> No.20012202

>>20011817
actually it's 計画
btw 計画 means plan

>> No.20012219

>>20012163
But then it just sounds like こで

>Now sound out "L", your tongue should be touching your teeth
No it isn't. But when I'm doing a 'D' it is. These positions seem to be reversed for me.

And actually It doesn't really matter where the tip is. I can do the 'L' both with the tip touching my teeth, or further back. Same with the 'D'. Just try these sounds and move your tongue back and forth, you'll see it doesn't matter at all. This is why all explanations make zero sense to me.

The difference is that 'D' is like a tap, with my tongue more flat, against the top while with the 'L' it's really just the very tip off the tongue touching the top.

>> No.20012228

>>20012219
>No it isn't. But when I'm doing a 'D' it is. These positions seem to be reversed for me.
What kind of french shit is this? No, you're tongue should be closer to your teeth with the L sound than the D sound, at least for native English speakers. Guess I can't help you and your baguette tongue.

Anyways, if it's that hard for you then you can literally just switch out any "R" for "D" and just go with it. It's not correct, as the sound is a bit of a D and L hybrid, but mostly D. If you listen to Japanese R, you hear the "click" that the D sound makes rather than the soft flick of the L sound. Maybe think of it like you're sounding the L sound, but instead of flicking your tongue you are clicking it like with the D sound, for lack of a better word.

>> No.20012231

>>20012202
違うよ。。。剣(つるぎ)だよ。

>> No.20012235

>このスレは
>荒らしが立てた糞スレ
>なので書き込みをしないで下さい

Does 2chinz ban anti_shipname_ threads now?

>> No.20012255

>>20012231
well really it's 猫
and the kanji of the day is 懸

>> No.20012263

>>20012235
wouldn't know, 2ch doesn't let me post. it would suck to have to read other people's posts without being able to tell them their wrong

>> No.20012264

>>20012255
With model word being 一生懸命

>> No.20012271

>>20012106
deck settings-reviews-maximum interval

>> No.20012272

>tfw the feminism wave hits japan and they start to revise all the sexist kanji

>> No.20012278

>>20012272
won't happen since they don't have the biological predisposition to universalism that northwestern europeans have.

>> No.20012294

>>20012264
alternatively 懸念

>> No.20012305

>>20012272
>tfw they all learn english before you learn japanese

>> No.20012317

>>20012305
it's harder for them to learn english than it is for me to learn japanese

>> No.20012326

>see new card in anki
>click good but promise self I'll learn it before the day is over
>two weeks later, still haven't learned it
>has an interval of over a month

>> No.20012332

>>20012317
lol no it's not
>inb4 pronunciation like it matters

>> No.20012334

>>20012332
but it does matter

>> No.20012345

>>20012332
t. esl

>> No.20012377

>>20012334
nope. particularly for those who just want to consume english content, and there is far more online english content than that of any other language so immersion is easiest for english learners.

>> No.20012383

>>20012317
>due to my area being a salad bowl/melting pot of sorts, often have Japanese customers show up at my job
>their english is trash despite living in Texas
>literally easier to deal with them using my broken-ass 1-year worth of learning Japanese than to try to make sense of their English

IDK how you can live somewhere for any length of time and not pick up a decent vocabulary/handle on the language, but people still somehow manage to do it in 2018.

>> No.20012388

じゃがいもは

かわをたべないでください?

>> No.20012389

>>20012271
If I set the max interval to 100 days, what should I set the interval modifier % to? It is currently at 100% but I'm not sure how it effects the algorithm.

>> No.20012399

>>20012383
What does 2018 have to do with it? If you live in any place, you are less likely to pick up anything from the language, unless you want to learn the language.
You dont have to interact with people at all, just use the internet for whatever you want to do.

>> No.20012405

>>20012383
I feel like it's endearing when someone tries to speak in English and there accent comes out. But only for like 4 languages, Japanese is honesty not one of them. It's only tolerable if they're a cute girl

>> No.20012425

>>20012389
dunno. and i know what i suggested isn't exactly what you were looking for but i figured it's better than nothing until someone suggests something else.

technically you can set your own initial intervals/steps for a card. so you could set it to 1 day, 3 day, 5 day, 10 day, 20 day, 20 day, 20 day. however it takes longer for the card to reach "mature" status since it won't technically have passed initial review. i don't remember how to do it and i'm probably using terminology wrong. fuck anki. gay ass program.

>> No.20012437

>>20012425
I just don't want some cards to effectively completely fall off, some are not going to reappear for like a year. I set interval to 100 and all the sudden I have a shit load of cards to do today. I hope I didn't completely fuck up everything by doing that.

I don't want cards to mature slower, I just want there to be a cap to how far a card can be delayed.

>> No.20012451

>>20012437
>I set interval to 100
maximum interval? it doesn't retroactively change existing intervals that are higher than 100 days. if you literally mean interval then i don't know. anki automatically backs up unless you disabled that option.

>> No.20012462

>>20012451
Yes, maximum. I understood that to mean "no matter how many times you correctly pass this card, it will show up in 100 days". Which is what I wanted. Is that incorrect?

>> No.20012468

>>20012462
>"no matter how many times you correctly pass this card, it will show up in 100 days".
yea, that's how it works.

>> No.20012471

>>20007350
>Read a book in English
>Don't see any words I don't know
Fuck, reading isn't reading

>> No.20012488

>>20012471
Reading 4chan certainly isn't reading
t. don't know English

>> No.20012491

>>20012468
Alright that's fine then. As long as it didn't change anything else. Total reviews per day is going to naturally increase a bit but that's ok.

>> No.20012493

>>20011142
>tfw don't have 100 anki reps to even do
>>20007478
To be fair, reading the 80% one I can figure out almost all the words from context. I think the author is trying to scare people into thinking even 80% isn't enough when, while you won't understand everything, you don't really need a dictionary much anymore even for words you don't know.

>> No.20012495

>>20011142
rollan

>> No.20012498

>>20012495
15 mins of listening, literally just an anime episode. I'll do Rozen Maiden like the oldfag I m

>> No.20012500

>>20006847
hello talk

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>>20012471

>> No.20012517

>>20012511
Not him but archaic / out-of-use words don't count. Nobody is expected to know the definition of contumelious.

>> No.20012523

>>20011756
Shin Kanzen Master.

>> No.20012529

>>20012511
I'll go and mine Moby Dick one day, I swear

>> No.20012533

>>20009215
I plan on doing a similar thing.
W-wanna pick a language school together?

>> No.20012544

くじらはたべものにはいりますか

>> No.20012587

why do people post nonsense sentences in pure kana

>> No.20012590

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qV7xbAVOY0

How is this even possible

>> No.20012599

>>20012590
>that guy 30 seconds in
I didn't realise it was possible to be this ugly without being hideously unkempt

>> No.20012604

Someone give me a random word and I will make a study card out of it for my deck.

>> No.20012610

>>20012604
ちんぽ

>> No.20012616

>>20012590
Are they trying to shame nips out of using 卍? As if they gave any fucks about muh Hitler.
>that old guy grumbling about young people not being properly educated

>> No.20012618

>>20012590
Aside from Japan avoiding their own part in that era, Asians don't really consider the west as important as you might think. For example, the only reason I knew about the jews in hs was because of the movie schindler's list.

>> No.20012621

>>20012604
酔生夢死

>> No.20012624

>>20012604
マグロ女

>> No.20012630

>>20012624
>>20012621
>>20012610
These are all garbage, anons. I guess I'll go with 酔生夢死.

>> No.20012636

>>20012630
一盗二婢三妾四妓五妻

>> No.20012648

>>20012630
虚血性心疾患

>> No.20012651

>>20012636
Yep, this one goes into my "asians have no soul" compilation

>> No.20012702

>>20012604
夜伽

>>20012651
It's part of their culture, has nothing to do with soul.
Just like how chinese kill and eat dogs seems weird to us, but pigs can be just as lovely pets and intelligent as dogs.

>> No.20012709

>>20012702
You may understand my words as "their culture has no concept of soul".

>> No.20012712

最近活躍が目覚ましい印象だけど、初見が某雑誌の水着グラビア。だからなんか最初から裸を見た事あるような感じになっちゃって、Twitterとか見ると凄くドキドキするよね。写真集には水着カットを

Translation?

>> No.20012739

>>20012712
Recent success is an impressive impression, but the first look is a swimsuit of a certain magazine. So it makes me feel like I've never seen naked from the beginning, I feel excited when you look at Twitter. Swimsuit cut in photo collection

>> No.20012751

>>20012739
rtk, not even once

>> No.20012761

おなかすいた

じゃがいも6こで

180えんでかってきた

あたしさいきょう

>> No.20012762

>>20012739
Go away Google

>> No.20012823

>>20012702
>夜伽
Where do you guys learn all these obscure words, and do they actually come in handy outside of posting on degenerate forums?

>> No.20012851

>>20012702
cultures don't spring forth from magic culture clouds/soil

>> No.20012857

>>20012712
She seems to get remarkably active recently, but I saw her for the first time in her swimsuit on a certain magazine. That's why I feel like I've seen her naked from the beginning, so when I read her Twitter etc. I'm really excited.

>> No.20012880

Will I ever get the reading of 精進 in my fucking head?

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I'm finally starting to tackle my 3000+ pile of reviews that amassed over the last year.

>> No.20012898

>>20012880
It's always fucking Buddhists that refused to update their pronunciation of stolen Chinese words when the government tried to update the transcription rules. These spiritual fucks ruined the whole onyomi system.

>> No.20012902

>>20012888
might as well delete it at that point. pointless.

>> No.20012903

>>20012823
>Where do you guys learn all these obscure words
Not obscure at all, I think I got most lewd words from slice of life manga.

>> No.20012905

>>20012823
Otaku media tend to be pretty degenerate.

>> No.20012933

>>20012902
Why?
It's not like I stopped consuming Japanese media in that time.

The only words I forgot so far were political terms that I never encounter or words I mined before getting tired of anki.
The words I still know I can safely delete, their easy interval is 5+ years anyways.

So instead of deleting it all I'm deleting >80% as I go through it.

>> No.20012971

I'm at 1300+ words into core. i'm thinking of moving the example sentence to the front(back? idk) of the card. Would this help? I don't have a sentence deck so this can be sorta 2 in 1 sorta deal. I mean i guess not since most these sentence are 彼はx[particle]Ydesu

>> No.20012983

>>20012971
Remove them altogether. They are unnecessary unless the word is so abstract that it's hard to grasp the meaning without the example, like with say 甲乙

>> No.20013004

>>20012983
what would removing them achieve lol? skimming the sentence after flipping the card cant possibly hurt.

>> No.20013046

>>20012888
>studied 95 cards in 38 minutes today
why am I so shit

>> No.20013075

>>20013046
He probably just hit good for all his reviews without caring if he actually got them right or not and called it a day

>> No.20013082

I stumbled upon someone mentioning the book
"Japanese for college students". It looks like a kinda rare book to study Japanese, amazon has very limited stock and I would like to have a look at it before I decide whether or not it's worth my time and money to buy it.

I've tried plenty of grammar books and I have nitpicks about most of them, so I'm interested to trying this one too and see if it can be useful or not.

Does anyone know where I can find a torrent or link to a pdf or something like that? It seems obscure as fuck.

>> No.20013089

>>20013046
There is a timer extension, set it to 10 seconds. If you dont know the solution within 10 seconds, put it at again and go next

>> No.20013101

>>20013082
>casette tapes
I think there is a good reason as to why its obscure.

>> No.20013102

>N5 listening exercises for some reason use more complex sentences than N3-N4 reading exercises

???

I thought N5 listening exercises would be something akin to "Bob likes Fish" (although that would be too easy) but they literally just throw long as fuck sentences at you straight out of the box. I'm basically at N3 reading level but apparently not even N5 at listening?

>> No.20013107

>>20013101
I doubt the language has changed so much since the 80s that the grammar is significantly different enough, and I don't need to do any listening comprehension (I live in Japan, I get enough of that with everyday conversations already) so I have no use of them.

>> No.20013113

>>20013046
Total study time says nothing.
What if you repeat the core sentences out loud for language shadowing?
What if you have more new cards than old ones?
What if you take sips of a hot beverage next to studying?

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Do your reps

>> No.20013201

>>20013075
That's an average of 8 seconds per card, you don't think that's enough?

>> No.20013215

>>20013166
I see he's finally removed his piss jug out of the frame, good going for him

>> No.20013233

>>20013215
You're quite experienced with piss jugs huh.

>> No.20013276

>>20013102
It's because listening is the easiest part of the exam, they have to make it a bit more difficult.

>> No.20013292

>丿乀

>> No.20013296

>tfw I have very high listening and reading comprehension but my production skills are close to 0
I'm travelling around Japan and it's been painfully frustrating so far. I can almost understand everything at native level but every time I need to talk about the most trivial things (aside from ordering food on menus and whatnot) with natives, my brain freezes up and I always end up reverting to English.

>> No.20013309

>>20013296
itiiban tuyoi gaizinni naritai?

>> No.20013317

>>20006009
sorekara doshita no?

>> No.20013319

>>20013309
Sorry I don't speak that abomination of a language

>> No.20013382

>>20013319
Sorry you don't have very high listening comprehension

>> No.20013397

>>20013382
ff kara siturei

KUSA

>> No.20013434

to the peeps that were posting like 12 hours ago

whats ur issue

>> No.20013440

shitki should be a bannable offence

>> No.20013448

what's a shitki?

>> No.20013470
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Something to remove

>> No.20013503

>>20013448
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2zFIXTdaHQ

>> No.20013511

>>20013434
They're gonna have a hard time reading this if you don't give them a (You).

>> No.20013517

i dont got time to click on all those bad posts

>> No.20013524

>>20013517
lmao

>> No.20013538

>>20005978
Question:

Where can I download Japanese Subs for specific anime?

Or better yet, just find the Japanese transcript for the show so I can read along? I'm extracting the audio from different shows that I already have, but none of these have J-subs, than being said, just being able to print out the transcript for the episode in Japanese so I can read along from time to time would be great.

The specific show I'm looking for atm is Gurren Lagann btw.

>> No.20013559

>>20013538
>Read the guide before asking stupid questions.

>> No.20013574

>>20013538
This is a reddit repost.

>> No.20013588

>>20013559
>>20013574
Listen here, it's not in the Cornucopia, and I've already read the guide like 7 times before. Rather than pointing me in some arbitrary vague direction in the goddamn guide, just tell me where to fucking look. Fucking Christ.

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20013601

Anyone know where to find raws of Killing Me! (キリング・ミー!)?

Checked Nyaa, AB, DJT's manga library and raw sites but no luck on any of them.

>> No.20013606

>>20013601
Is this the new kill me baby season?

>> No.20013607

>>20013595
>>20013574
>>20013559
What's the point of the thread if people just come here to shitpost rather than offer useful and helpful advice for helping others.

If the sticky is all this goddamn thing is worth, then make a wiki archive of it, and delete this sorry cesspool of losers.

>> No.20013614

>>20013607
your life is a cesspool and its spilling into my christian thread

>> No.20013623

>>20013538
>>20013588
You could look for DVD and bluray images, not re-encodes. Those usually come with japanese subs.

There used to be a site called kitsunekko which had Japanese subs, but it seems to have shut down.
Maybe you'll have to buy the blurays to get the subs.

>> No.20013627

>>20013623
Yeah, I looked up kitsuneko, and it's dead, and there was this other wiki site I found on google, also down. I don't even want the anime, I'd just like a transcript to read along, that'd be fine.

>> No.20013642

just 書いて a 手紙 to 日本 that reads 日本語字幕お願いします

>> No.20013651

>>20013627
>Yeah, I looked up kitsuneko, and it's dead
No it isn't. There were subs contributed to it literally just yesterday.

>> No.20013666

>>20013651
Not him, but I tried earlier and only got 404 or server not found.
Now suddenly it works again.

>> No.20013786
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20013786

Are there any Japanese news outlets which have a strong focus on international news, particularly with respect to what's going on in the Western world?

I would like to read the news about my country (UK) and other Western countries in Japanese, but most of the stuff on the NHK website is about Japan itself and the international coverage also largely pertains to international affairs concerning Japan (e.g. things going on in other Asian countries), so there's really nothing of interest to me there.

If there maybe some American news outlet oriented towards Japanese people living in the US which covers Western news but in Japanese?

>> No.20013822

if youre capable of reading such things why are you incapable of using google to search for such things

>> No.20013839

>>20013786
Why read when you can watch?
youtube.com/user/ANNnewsCH/videos

>> No.20013846

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1oaOyng8TRO

>> No.20013847

I have serious doubts about the order of the cards in the "optimized" Core 2k deck. Thousands of cards in, I'm just now getting around to very basic vocabulary that should have been some of the first on the list.

What was modified in this optimized version of the deck?

>> No.20013873

You should stop studying Japanese with flashcards and learn vocabulary from real sources. I downloaded the 10k core deck out of curiosity and all the words even at the end were basic stuff

>> No.20013888

>>20013847
the ordering

>> No.20013893

>>20013847
the original ordering isn't that good either, but it was a tad less terrible because cards with the same kanji weren't introduced so close together
>>20013873
it says "core" for a reason

>> No.20013894

You should stop treating flashcards as a main tool of studying Japanese and realise that it's supplementary at best.

>> No.20013906

>>20013894
This.
The main tools are watching drama series and reading actual novels.

Always remember, anime isn't really listening and manga isn't really reading.

>> No.20013907

>>20013847
You can order it yourself. Take this list for example, http://www.kanjiwebeasy.com/word?page=1, import it as another field in the core deck and then reorder by that field.

>> No.20013916

>>20013906
Drama isn't listening either. You should listen to podcasts and vtubers.

>> No.20013931

>>20013916
you forgot 実況

>> No.20013934

what you should listen to is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lsdeSIwkw8#t=12

>> No.20013938

>>20013916
I did some audiobooks on my commutes, that worked pretty well.

>> No.20013939

>>20013916
http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/where-not-to-learn-japanese-from/

Make sure you don't learn from these. It's not real japanese.

>> No.20013946

>>20013939
This doesn't say anything about voiceroids or youtube. ボイロ実況, anyone?

>> No.20013948

>>20013906
>>20013916
*dorama

>> No.20013958

Now this is where you really learn Japanese:
https://www.openrec.tv/live/Rk8699V1Av

>> No.20013959

>>20013939
So i have to go back to textbooks after all?

>> No.20013967

>>20013786
If you love the west so much why don't you go learn a western language?

>> No.20013971

How long in average do you guys think it would take me to go from N4 to N3?
I'm already bilingual (Eng/Spa) and majored in Translation, have been offered a dream job but my employer wants me to have at least N3 level. Haven't studied in a few years though.

>> No.20013978

>>20013971
can you even tell me what the difference in practicality between a n4 and n3 is

>> No.20013981

>>20013971
200 hours

>> No.20013989

I was reading this and it reminded of those confession type stories. https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q12100862552
What do I search for to get those kinds of stories?

>> No.20014003

>>20013978
n4 is basic stuff like signs and greetings, n3 is actual everyday life conversations, right?
>>20013981
are the books and guides provided in the OP good enough for this or should I look for classes?
I studied up to n4 in uni but we used that stupid ass Minna no Nihon-go book and I hated it.

>> No.20014007

>>20013989
This is a strictly Christian thread (specifically of the Matt sect), we do not tolerate heretic incestuous degeneracy. I suggest you leave now.

>> No.20014010

so youre asking a question about how to navigate from one point to another without actually understanding what the start and end points are other than in name only

*pushes up glasses* my suggestion is to work on watching 10000 hours of anime with english subtitles

>>20014007
we only worship jesus not puny white boys who live at their moms house and pretend to be a japanese teacher

>> No.20014014

>>20014003
n3 is n4 with slightly more words and phrases

the jlpt tests are basically useless as skill level benchmarks until you get to the n2 and n1. and the n2 isn't even a good score.

>> No.20014017

Wouldnt google translate be better than a N3 translator anyway?

>> No.20014020

>>20014017
this quite literally depends on what you feed the translation software

>> No.20014043

>>20014010
Thanks for gatekeeping me anon you have defended the honor of your waifu's mother tongue from this dirty gaijin.
>>20014014
Useless as they may be I need that level so my Japanese bosses will think twice before laughing when I say "a-anime ga suki" in the interview.
>>20014017
I'd be working as a Eng-Spa and Spa-Eng translator, they want me to have N3 so they can tell me to commit sudoku when I come in late.

>> No.20014054

>>20014043
i didnt gatekeep you

you cant tell a gate from a hole in the ground

if anything i moved you further to the gate but you still cant discern it

also just say anime daisuki ftw it should be the first thing you say to anyone

>> No.20014068

>>20014043
Trust me, JLPT is useless in that kind of situation. What you have to do is estabilish yourself as the alpha, the itiban tuyoi gaizin. Force them to respect you, or fear you, whatever comes first.

>> No.20014079

>>20014068
Nono, you wanna be the baka gaijin everyone can joke around with.

>> No.20014084

what you wanna be is the quiet crazy sexy cool guy who has an epic anime side that he only shows to the worthy

>> No.20014092

>>20014068
I trust you anon, but the company requires it and it's not like I can come in and do the Cesar Millan power stance on these Japanese dogs.

>> No.20014131

>>20013959
How about just immerse in compelling content?

>> No.20014142

>>20014131
No one compels that way

>> No.20014152

An AJATT blog will only compel you to pay monies to Matt-sama

>> No.20014161

http://vmashup.com/eBV8FGpt

>> No.20014163

>>20014152
Katz and Matt are different people

>> No.20014167

>>20014163
that's what you think

>> No.20014180

>twelve hours later people are still fucking mattposting
i hate you all so much

>> No.20014186

amend >>20013434 to right now

>> No.20014207

oh yea if でも is so hard to directly map to english words then why do so many people claim it's "but"?

>> No.20014209

>>20014180
i wasn't trolling earlier when i talked about why i matt post. i get that you think i'm memeing but it's the truth

>> No.20014218

>>20014207
its but but if but was more fun

>> No.20014251

>>20013470
What's this from?

>> No.20014264

>>20014251
屍鬼

>> No.20014287

>>20014264
sikabaneki?

>> No.20014293

>>20014287
Kabane oni.

>> No.20014306

>>20014207
there literally exists a grammar guide that appears to have been made out of frustration that things like でも are explained so poorly.

>> No.20014314

Yeah, well I don't see any of you starting a YouTube channel.

>> No.20014316

>>20013967
I already know one, it's called "English".

And it's not a question of love or hate, it's a question of relevance to my life. I don't live in Japan so the domestic situation there is of little concern to me unless the Japanese government starts floating the idea of banning anime or something.

>> No.20014322

WHY
IS
THERE
SO
MUCH
MISINFORMATION
ABOUT
が / は
PARTICLES
EVEN FROM SOURCES
LIKE JAPANESE101
THAT HAVE A NATIVE FUCKING JAP
AAAAAAAAH

>> No.20014324

>>20013847
That should come as no surprise since the order is the exact opposite of optimised.

>> No.20014327

>>20014316
>floating the idea of banning anime or something.
Wishful thinking dude.

>> No.20014329

>>20014306
Which guide?

>> No.20014334

>>20014322
>が / は
Don't think

Feel...

>> No.20014335

>>20014329
Probably the one by Cury Dolly but that weird processing/speech impediment makes the lessons almsot impossible to sit through

>> No.20014342

I admit it, I'm a fucking 出来ない i give up. I've been studying for 4 months and I don't feel like i improved one bit since last month. fuck

>> No.20014350

>>20014342
But anon, what about the sunk cost?
If you give up now the past 4 months will have been a complete waste of time! Better to just power through it!

>> No.20014359

>>20014322
just remember the basics - が indicates the subject, は indicates the topic in the sentence. Then watch 10 000 anime and you'll fully get it.

>> No.20014382

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu5tTyzzmHs

>> No.20014384

Does anyone know what's going on grammatically when the lead from Takane no hana introduces herself
>Tsukichi Momo ni gozaimasu

>> No.20014399

>>20014359
>が indicates the subject, は indicates the topic
Oh look, another fucking retard who doesn't understand が but thinks he does。

>> No.20014402

>>20014384
I bet Takane is just fucking around
t. n4dan dekinai

>> No.20014421

>>20014329
i was thinking about boirodaisuki

>> No.20014426

>>20014399
you don't know japanese

>> No.20014437

>>20014426
neither do you, yet you claim to

>> No.20014477

>>20014399
actually, they both mean is

>> No.20014479

>>20014437
あなたはアホですか

>> No.20014495

when you miss a card in anki, do you always click again, or can you click good if you feel like it?

>> No.20014502

>>20014495
you definitely can click good. I would never though.

>> No.20014519

>>20014495
This is exactly what Steve Kaufman suggests, so yes

>> No.20014529

>>20014502
thanks I won't do that then. now how about if you know a card insanely well, would you click good anyways? or would you click easy? maybe even just click hard to be sure

>> No.20014562

>>20014519
>>20014502
nvm now I'm confused

>> No.20014564

>>20014529
Clicking hard or easy instantly cripples you

>> No.20014582

>>20014495
For recognition
Get it right within 2 seconds >easy
6s >Good
10s>Hard
After 10s or you get it wrong >Again

>> No.20014584

>>20013893
>but it was a tad less terrible because cards with the same kanji weren't introduced so close together
How could this possibly be a bad thing? Introducing vocab that share kanji in groups is definitely the way to go. I even go out of my way to arrange them like that because it makes the most sense.

>> No.20014592

>>20014582
And you shouldn't actually time yourself. That's an additional distraction.

>> No.20014619

>>20014584
you're a beginner.

>> No.20014632

>>20014619
I'm intermediate, actually.

>> No.20014666

>>20014529
>>20014564
You should never be afraid to hit that easy button.
If you know a card well enough, there's no point in reviewing it. You can even hit easy on new cards when you guess them correctly first time you see them.

You want anki to show you the cards you don't know more than those you do know.

>> No.20014679
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20014679

never be afraid to hit the button

>> No.20014695

That button opens a trapdoor below you and you end up in a dark underground room strapped to a chair with your eyes forcibly held open like the dude from A Clockwork Orange and a large screen in front of you playing anime and you have to stay there for 10000 hours.

>> No.20014706

Nobody else is gonna fuckin say it huh?
There's not even 10000 hours worth of anime that's worth watching.

>> No.20014709

>>20014695
Then he quizzes you on kanji and you fail miserably.

>> No.20014720

>>20014695
yes!! a clockwork ownage

>>20014709
no because why would someone expect you to know kanji yet and i wouldnt quiz you on kanji anyway in the first place thats some foolhardy shit

>> No.20014728

>>20014706
Leave this thread and don't come back.

>> No.20014729

>>20014706
pretty sure there is because anime owns

anime from this decade not so much but anime still rules

>> No.20014731

>>20014709
Then you just show him all the epic 大字 you learned from watching the complete Monogatari series, which was included in the 10000 hours.

>> No.20014747

you dont gotta watch the monogaytaris if you dont want to and just stick with the good solid basics like naurto and love hina

>> No.20014751

>>20014731
Sorry I don't watch anime after the 2000s.

>> No.20014753

>>20014747
But if you watch the Love Hina anime before eating the manga there's a chance you might permanently cripple your Japanese.

>> No.20014757

>>20014753
no thats actually how your japanese gets epically better but first things first 10000 hours of anime

you can worry about that later : )

>> No.20014764

おれが当然マンコに食べる。味るだ。それを甘いでもちょっと塩の味中ある。時々それの味を女の尿だ。全て確かおいしい。はじめる震える。あまりにおいしい。
この女性は恋人じゃない、そして彼女それを痛くこと作りだ。女性のからだは俺の口のうえに。息るない。死ぬね。そして、この事態が俺に殺すのうれしいだよ。
素敵な死にました。

>> No.20014766

>>20014706
Some are worth rewatching over and over again.

>>20014747
Love hina was the shit back when I was 12.

>> No.20014778

>>20014764
おまいまさか、いちばんつよいがい人??

>> No.20014781

As a result of watching raw anime, I've started to recognize the seiyuu's voices. I really hate it. I don't want to know that Holland from E7 and Hannes from SnK are the same person. I don't want to know that the teacher from Hibike Euphonium is also a guy in Magi. Make it stop!

>> No.20014783

>>20014764
literally not really rage but just quit your post whilst genuinely laughing at first sentence

>>20014766
love hina still owns go watch it today and just really realize in depth just how bad things are now

>> No.20014787

>>20014764
for what reason are you doing this?

>> No.20014796
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20014796

Can someone please help me with this kanji? I have trouble finding wich one it is.

>> No.20014799

oh and after you watch love hina watch love hina again ftw

>> No.20014803

>>20014796
thats a pretty good kanji to look up by radical for a new baby

try it!!

no one tell him what it is he has to come back and tell us how he figured it out and took a great first step

>> No.20014807

>>20014803
I already tried by radical, even by stroke number but i can't find it on jisho, it's not even the first time i encounter it and i remember having much trouble last time as weel finding it.

>> No.20014810

>>20014787
ぼくの出力の練習だよ。ばか。

>> No.20014818

>>20014729
90% of good anime is adapted from manga which is an inherently better medium
I'm not trying to pad my anime score by watching dozens of 5 or 6/10 shows

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20014839

>>20014796
Here is the context if it can help.
I'm wurrently trying to find it by drawing it but google always gives me completely unrelated kanji and i don't know how to draw anyway.

>> No.20014848

>>20014796
>>20014839
That's chinese.

>> No.20014849

>>20014764
御主の日本語力は見事である

>> No.20014860

>>20014783
>love hina still owns go watch it today and just really realize in depth just how bad things are now
I also rememeber watching Onegai Teacher and Onegai Twins back then, good times.

>> No.20014861

>>20014848
I gave the context and it's japanese.

>> No.20014864

>>20014849
ありがとう、あなたもじょうず

>> No.20014869
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20014869

>>20014322

>> No.20014878

>>20014839
It's probably 仮組, but no such word exists.

>> No.20014880

>>20014796
>font that makes 反 look like 夂 under 一
I hate this shit

>> No.20014883

>>20014878
>no such word exists
https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E4%BB%AE%E7%B5%84%E3%81%BF
仮組みとは、模型・プラモデルを組む際に行う工程のひとつである。

>> No.20014886

>>20014878
it's 仮組みされた. A temporary scene, apparently.

>> No.20014893

>>20014878
>>20014880
thanks, it was one of my assumption but i quickly dismayed it because the kanji looked nothing alike.

>> No.20014896

>>20014883
It seems monolingual dictionaries are good. I wish I could use them.

>> No.20014952

>read and move the story forward but learn nothing
>watch a youtube grammar guide and learn something but be bored
>have fun on djt
I chose option 3.

>> No.20014968

>>20014952
i study on weekdays and only post here on weekends. you should try it

>> No.20014998

連体中にもう一度試してみるか
Chatting on a website similar to omegle, the person I was talking to said this before leaving. What does it say

>> No.20015007

>>20014952
>have *fun* on djt
How? Teach me.

>> No.20015012

>>20014952
>>read and move the story forward but learn nothing
Sounds like you're not actually reading. Did you actually watch manga instead of picking up a book? Common mistake.

>> No.20015018

>>20015012
Nope, been reading a VN. Teaches you jack shit. Just vomits a bunch of shit at you that you don't remember.

>> No.20015022

>>20015018
Why do you not remember it? Learning disability?

>> No.20015032

>>20015022
That or there's more to learning than just "read more".

>> No.20015100

>>20015032
Its like weaving a basket but you need the basket to catch the material to make the basket out of, and the weave pattern takes you braiding the input into several brain sectors. It must be known in an information based yet emotional context to become fluid language.

>> No.20015114

How do I practice conversation skills?
Aside from holding imaginary conversations with cute Japanese girls in my mind before falling asleep?

>> No.20015118

>>20014632
oh so you're "exactly where the current speaker happens to be"

>> No.20015128

>>20015114
just spam tapes. beginning japanese, japanese: the spoken language, shadowing 1 and 2, that other one in CoC. overlearn until it becomes second nature.

>> No.20015129

>>20015114
join one of the many japanese discord and chat, but be warned chatting with other learners can be harmful. If you want IRL conversation the easiest route be paying some jap 8 bucks/hr on italki.

>> No.20015130

>>20015128
CoR sorry i was thinking of the dick

>> No.20015136

and yeah >>20015129 also just pay some sorry cunt to talk with you if you have the dough

>> No.20015146

>>20015128
>>20015129
>>20015136
Thanks, I'll start looking through the CoR first.

>>20015130
It's okay! I hope it was your husband's and not someone else.

>> No.20015150 [DELETED] 

おにいちゃんおはよう

あさごはん

なにたべたい?

>> No.20015158

>>20015146
also i think there are some pimsleur stuff on rutracker. just spam reciting audio

>> No.20015170

>>20015100
>It must be known in an information based yet emotional context to become fluid language.
That's really tough to find though. How can I give a shit about something that is so frustrating to understand?

>> No.20015171
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20015171

>> No.20015189

>>20015171
maybe this is something linguists talk about but this is something that has always bothered me for awhile because i'm autistic. "acquisition" just seems like "super memorizing". so of course the more input you get the better you memorize something as intricate as a language and the better off you'll be than someone piecing it together from some boring abstract rules.

>> No.20015195

Can you get pussy in japanese?

Like まんこをもらう
Does this make sense

>> No.20015197

>>20015150
食パンだ!

>> No.20015214

>>20015189
well that text is from 1962 so it has some faults viewed from a modern lens

>> No.20015227

>>20015195
yes

no but maybe if you spin it a little bit you could find a cool way to sound like a peddler of pussy

>> No.20015234

but i feel the gist is correct and the approach was kinda thrown away with the bathwater by later pedagogists,

but im a huge jorden stan so take my opinions with grain of salt

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20015243

lack of empathy? what in the fuck?

>> No.20015249

remember [personal] distance and respect is everything

>> No.20015253

>>20015243
did you know? fluent japanese speakers are all well versed in philosophy. mameshibaaー

>> No.20015264

nee i just shitterued my pantsu lmao

mamesiba~

>> No.20015277

good shit

>> No.20015362

>>20015243
The wording of that is weird but it just means it's for factual statements that are non empathetic by default. Think of a news report.
犯人は人質を殺すこと・・・

Nominalizing with の on the other hand is commonly followed by 好き/嫌い.

>> No.20015388

ゲイになることもありますね

>> No.20015428

>>20015388
なるにはちょっと難しいかも。
生まれつきなんじゃないかな?

>> No.20015441

do you force yourself to watch shit if you don't feel like watching anything at all on a particular day?

>> No.20015442

>>20015428
Just kill yourself.

>> No.20015449

>>20015441
no thats dumb

>> No.20015452

>>20015442
rude

>> No.20015460

Are there any good Japanese daily vloggers on youtube?

>> No.20015464

>>20015449
what if you feel like not watching anything for multiple days?

>> No.20015468

8% of my cards were consuming about 50% of my review time. I can see why leeching is important now.

>> No.20015476

>>20015464
Why does it matter if you watch something or not? Or do you mean not doing anything in Japanese at all, including reading books? If so I would start contemplating why I am learning a language I seemingly have no interest in.

>> No.20015495

>>20015460
Venus Angelic is DJT approved

>> No.20015508

>>20015495
I clicked on a video and she doesn't even talk in Japanese.

>> No.20015513

>>20015508
She does though? What video did you click?

>> No.20015521

>>20015513
ah yes, she said konnitiwa.

>> No.20015524

>https://my.mixtape.moe/onmtgx.jpg
Can someone help me understand this sentence, please?

>平日はあちこちで男達の視線に晒されるせいで気が付けば頻繁に事に及ぶことも珍しくない
>On the weekdays, if she notices she's being stared by the men around her, not a rare occurrence about "頻繁に事に及ぶことも" that I can't quite figure it out.

Especially the "に事に"

>> No.20015525

>>20015513
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu5tTyzzmHs
Aside from a こんにちは it's all English.

>> No.20015530

>>20015524
事に及ぶ is a euphemism, I'm sure you can figure out what for.

>> No.20015532

>>20015525
Have you tried clicking on another video?

>> No.20015564

>>20015532
Yeah, it was the same shit.

I found ないとーvlog, he seems okay.

>> No.20015570

>>20015530
Would that be something like "It's not rare for her to be invited 'somewhere quiet' "?

>> No.20015571

this guy is genuinely obsessed with that weird ass girl lol

>> No.20015610

あれのどこが, 身の上相談だよ

can someone help me out with this sentence

>> No.20015623

>>20015189
Less memorizing and more getting used to it. The top 150 words are used 50% of the time. You are not going to memorize all the ways they're going to be used. You just need to hear them and see them so fucking much that they just do a job your brain says "yeah, I got that".

>> No.20015651

>>20015564
I found some more going through
https://socialblade.com/youtube/top/country/jp/mostsubscribed

Just in case anyone's bored.

>> No.20015671

>>20015610
身の上相談 = consultations about one's life/future

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>>20015623
edited it

>> No.20015692

昨日、私は「Remembering the Kanji」を読み始めました。

漢字を書くが難しですね。。

>> No.20015705

>>20015243
HJGP > DJG

>> No.20015708

>>20015705
it is true

>> No.20015726

>>20015705
there's no hjgp deck though

>> No.20015764

>>20015671
For reference he's talking about a group of guys assaulting a girl, so the literal translation would be:
"That place is personal consultation, right?!"
But he's essentially saying something like, "That's getting too personal, right?!" if I'm guessing correctly?

>> No.20015774

>>20015726
and grammar decks are useless unless youre studying for a test

>> No.20015789

>>20015774
they remind me vaguely of what a particle is trying to do, which improves the comprehensibility of a text even if i still don't get the full nuance, which i could only understand through repeated exposure.

>> No.20015799

>>20015441
>>20015464
No, but I have to make up for it another day. I didn't watch anything for 2 weeks last month, but watched more the rest of the month to counteract it.

>> No.20015813

>>20015789
well obviously there is some use but its a terrible way to learn to grammar

>> No.20015824

>>20015813
sorry for uh talking in absolutes bad habit

>> No.20015919

>>20015726
That's a good thing, it saves you from wasting your time.

>> No.20015923

>>20015919
it doesn't. now i'm doing a dojg deck even though dojg is apparently inferior.

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>>20014706

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>>20006743
>that link
cringe compilation

>> No.20016074
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>everyone who learns japanese

>> No.20016079

>>20016055
dae cringe

greentext

>> No.20016081

>>20016074
same but baseball

>> No.20016085

>>20016079
>all text should be green

>>20016081
you study japanese with baseball?

>> No.20016086

I'm 2 days in and just finished my third page of this book. Haha I'll be done in about 3 months. Nihongo bb!

>> No.20016095

>>20016086
1 month in and i aint close to finishing jack shit

>> No.20016102

>>20016085
>you study japanese with baseball?
Yes, watch/eat every single one of Adachi Mitsuru's works and watch every Koushien final and you'll become fluent.

>> No.20016112

>>20016085
mostly for but also with. its supremely good listening practice as its enjoyable even if you dont know a word and the complexity level ranges from simple play by play to very informal color commentary. supposing you like the sport in the first place.

all mlb post season games are broadcast on jsports with japanese commentary

>> No.20016136

tired of having to find "alright" material to practice on for years to cement grammar and vocab before i can start enjoying the truly good shit

>> No.20016137

>>20010934
Anki posters worse. at least matt posters are ironic, anki posters are actually retarded.

>> No.20016157

>>20016136
How about just start reading what you want to. you can literally do whatever you want.

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>>20016112
sounds comfy. not much of a sports fan though so for me its all anime

>> No.20016171

>>20016102
you get better immersion with vns though

>> No.20016180

>>20016137
i really have no idea what matt's thing even is since he has the rare disease where you absolutely have to make one, two, three hour long videos to explain any little thing. but im sure he would be very smart if he wasnt an awful shit nerd

>> No.20016182

>>20016102
お願いタッチ、タッチ
ここにタッチ~

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>>20016137

>> No.20016206

>>20016137
what if you're an anki and matt poster

>> No.20016231

>>20016206
repent?

>> No.20016233

>>20016206
sudoku?

>> No.20016238

>>20016206
have you heard of our savior victor mair and his messiah eleanor jorden?

>> No.20016249

>>20016238
>victor mair is a professor of sinology, or chinese studies

>> No.20016256

>>20016249
yeah its funny how that works

>> No.20016281

>>20016157
but if i read endgame quality content right now, i won't understand them well enough to get a good experience out of them, and on a revisit i'll already know the gist of the plot.

>> No.20016294

>>20016281
What is "endgame" content? I have only been studied for a little over a year and I have already read many light novels that I have really enjoyed and were "goals".

>> No.20016302

>>20016294
装甲悪鬼村正
神咒神威神楽
信天翁航海録
紅殻町博物誌
霞外籠逗留記
花散峪山人考

>> No.20016304

>>20016294
the japanese equivalent of cs lewis, tolkien, and shakespeare

>> No.20016313

>>20016304
i think you should read more english literature

>> No.20016316

>>20016302
How are you even supposed to understand this? Is it just 1 big compound?

>> No.20016317

>>20016313
i haven't even read the authors i just listed but i wanna read their equivalents in japanese

>> No.20016318

>>20016313
sorry that was a rude thing to say. ill log off now

>> No.20016322

不可説不可説転

huh

>> No.20016326

>>20016304
>>20016302
My goal for learning Japanese was to read re: zero ln. I have not started reading yet But thar be alot of other stuff I want to read and have already started reading. Oreimo, Toradora, Haruhi, 等々 for example. Just enjoy the process as a whole, there is great content at all levels and if you can not see that then I don't think nip be the lang for thee.

>> No.20016340

more vns should let you date monsters, robots, etc. not cutesy "beautiful woman w/ bunny ears" type monsters, either, i'm talking full on monsters. thanks for coming to my ted talk

>> No.20016360

agreed, let's start with your mom

>> No.20016364

that wasn't a very funny post but the immaturity is unexpected so i'll give it 2 points

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>> No.20016473

that your mom post was hilarious

>> No.20016490

you know who else is hilarious? your mom

>> No.20016507

Uh has anybody used Rosetta Stone here. My university gives us a free license if we apply and I was wondering if it's any better or worse than self-study or whatever.

>> No.20016512

>>20016507
"ohio goes eye moss! watashi wa (YOUR_NAME) desoo!"
repeat!

>> No.20016517

>>20016512
Gotcha.

>> No.20016575

is watching anime with japanese subtitles actually good practice?

>> No.20016593

>>20016507
if you complete rosetta stone youll be better at japanese than everyone itt even me

>> No.20016621

except watashi

>> No.20016626

is that another 1 of those ecelebs

>> No.20016647

>>20016507
I like to imagine that it's actually a decent way to build up vocab you might miss here and there while reinforcing it with images.

Wouldn't take the grammar seriously, but if you can read all the Kanji going in, you might actually get something out of it.

>> No.20016674

>>20016593
I did quiet a bit of rosetta. It was pretty shit desu. Imo nothing is as good as just listening/watching raws, reading whatever you can find, and then rereading it, and use anki for boosting vocab.

>> No.20016693

>>20016575
Sometimes I miss words and the kanji subs help and vice versa. I'm starting to get dependant on subs though. I can't stand watching without them.

>> No.20016708

>>20016674
absolutely i wasnt implying you should use that thing in lieu of the good shit but you could actually do dumber shit such as any given thing posted itt

>> No.20016709

>>20016626
No, it's the protagonist from Romeo-sama's seminal work 人類は衰退しました.

>> No.20016773

>>20016575
Just treat that time as reading and not listening and you're good. Don't turn them into a crutch.

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Outsider here. Could somebody please tell me what this says? I don't usually make this kind of requests but I'm asking for a friend (no, really).

Ignore this post if you don't want to, I understand.

>> No.20016816

>>20016693
let go. Listen. Trust your instincts.

>> No.20016822

>>20016796
I hate Patamon
EEEEEEEEEE!?

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This is the canon pairing btw.

>> No.20016827

In 僕のヒーローアカデミア season 3 episode 2 40 seconds in, Tomura is saying something like さすが先生だ。どんなに調べても解らなかった目的地 こうもたやすき見つけてくれた。

Im not sure if I heard the こうもたやすき part correctly, but from context I would assume it すき is 隙, but what about こうもたや?
I tried looking for japanese subtitles, but I didnt find any.

>> No.20016831

>>20016827
たやすい

>> No.20016835

>>20016831
Oh, so its こうも たやすく 見つけてくれた?
Thanks

>> No.20016836

>>20016822
大嫌い... パタモン...
ええ!?

I see. Thanks!

>>20016824
Whatever floats your boat.

>> No.20016841

>takari cuck

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