/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>19982567
Okay, so I decided to learn the Core 1K by writing it out by hand (based on a PDF of them I found somewhere). I figure at a rate of 50 per day it'll take me 20 days. On a scale of 1 to retarded, how bad of an idea is this as opposed to using anki instead?

how many times are you writing each one and what information are you tying the writing of a kanji to

preemptive analysis is you very retarded

>>19982585
Pretty much this but without the example sentence. So just the kanji once. My hope is that just writing it will be a big advantage over just looking at it on a screen a hundred times.

writing anything 1 time and thinking itll produce any kind of result is epic retarded

not sure if you should be drilling the stuff on that thing but hey why not youre already retarded

write the ones that have kanji 50 times each at the same rate you were going at and report back in 3 weeks for the science

>>19982623
drop the eigo translations.

>>19982577
Dafuq dude just use anki with kanjistrokeorders

When you guys practice the 2/6K deck, do you set it as a goal to remember the visuals, spelling and the audio to pass.
Or is it enough to just recognize it and its meaning if you are mostly interested in reading japanese.

everyones decided to get serious about learning nihongo so theyve stopped playing with their decks all day

>>19982714
Visuals and spelling. If it looks particularly complex then I'll memorise the audio but as long as I can spell it then I can recreate the pronunciation in my mind.

にゃん

おはようおにいちゃん

今日はいい天気ですにゃ

Why haven't you set your Interval Modifier to 340% yet?

my aids modifier is much higher

>>19982571
genki

>>19982757
what does that do

Is anyone else going to sign up for n1 this year? I don't know if I should I didn't score that well on n2 last year and I haven't studied or read much at all since then. I can't believe it's already been nearly a year. 時よ止まれ

>>19982757
Because I don't use anki

>>19982805
>Only been studying for real for like 6 months.
Maybe in a few years.

>>19982794
It's the most optimal. If you do it now it will severely decrease the amount of time you have to spend in Anki. So much in fact that you can start doing more new cards per day and still spend the same amount of time in Anki

>>19982823
Matt, is that you?

>>19982757
I set it to 110% for now and will see how it goes. I hope it's not going to permanently cripple my deck.

>>19982850
The only thing that will cripple your deck is using the hard/easy buttons to fuck up cards easiness

>>19982887
I use them to unfuck cards with too long/short intervals.

>>19982895
Then you're retarded, unless you're using a plug-in that can reset the ease factor on all your cards back to 250%

>>19982887
Wait, why do they exist when they just fuck up the deck?

>>19982916
Because Anki isn't perfect. Its default settings are unoptimized and default unchangeable (without plug-in) behavior is unoptimized

Worth noting that hitting "Again" also fucks with a card's ease factor. So it's pretty unavoidable without plug-ins

10000 hours of anki autism

yoshi time for reading

>>19982964
People have reported getting ease factor issues as well now when pressing good, so who knows.

>>19982577
Retarded because you will forget almost everything in the long term.
https://www.gwern.net/Spaced-repetition

>>19983007
Pressing good doesn't change the ease factor. If a card is already fucked up you can't fix it by hitting good on it

I'm reading Tae Kim and I'm up to chapter 40, but I'm having a hard time even remembering anything I've read in the past chapters and it feels like I'm just reading it and nothings happening.

Am I supposed to be doing other things to help learn this or am I just supposed to read through it and then read it again?

>>19983068
You're supposed to be reading/playing/eating/drinking japanese and occasionally referring back to the guide to check every now and again for shit.

>>19983079
So start reading while using the grammar guide / core 2K?

When I'm just beginning my 10000 hours anime should I have nihongo subs on or off? Should I be pausing every sentence and looking up every word or just rolling with it if I know the show well enough to get general ideas of what's going on

>>19983105
The idea is that you just watch a lot of anime without deliberately trying to "learn Japanese" and end up getting a feel for the language through osmosis, so English subs.

>>19983068
i've had the same experience. i immediately forgot most of what i read in tae kim. but i've been reading native content for a bit, and every time i come across a verb that yomichan says is "causative" or "passive" i google that and skim tae kim's article on the topic. and it's been a couple weeks so i'm going to reread a lot of it. i think things will stick better this time. also i've been watching some videos on grammar. passive/receptive form is still odd to me so i'm going to look that up again today but i guess eventually it's going to stick if i keep doing this. that's what i've been told here.

>>19982748
きょうは

たいふうだよ！

>>19983068
Reading through it once probably isn't going to be enough at first. That being said you don't want to memorize it. Once you've finished it just start reading and use it as a reference.

>>19983095
>core2K
Every anon in this thread has a different opinion. But I say don't use premade decks, make a mining deck. Premade decks lack context.

Don't make a card out of every new word you encounter either. Make a card out of words that you see regularly, but not often enough to remember it. The fact that you encounter them regularly proves that they're important to remember. Otherwise you'll end up with a billion cards, and spend more time creating cards/reviewing cards instead of actually consuming compelling content and doing fun things. You'll also understand their context if you keep encountering them.

If you need some kind of training wheels to get you going, install some yomichan/rikai[tachis] and read stuff in your browser will abusing the fuck out of it, and slowly decrease your dependence on it.

>鏡
why do i still remember this worthless fucking word?

>>19983138
沖縄に住んでいる？

>>19983151
Because you've watched a lot of anime.

>>19983162
nope. only like 20 series total.

>>19983138
お散歩しようよ

>>19983144
When reading, should I be trying to just understand the reading naturally or should I have to work to translate it, for example if I read a sentence and get nothing about it; I can read it again slowly and in my head deconstruct it in English and gather some meaning from it.

I don't want to form the habit of translating everything

>>19983151
How is it worthless? It comes up a lot in writings.

>>19983258
because i'm a beginner and there are tons of words infinitely more useful to me than a fucking mirror

>>19983228
you don't translate, you just try to understand everything.

>>19983228
Just read it and reread it. If you know all of the words thats all you need to do. You should have like an emotional feeling from the words. Maybe some visuals, if you must then some english connections to fill gaps, but generally try to keep them seperate until you get natural at reading. I'm no pro but thats what I've been trying to do.

>>19983260
Yet, 鏡 is useful no matter what. On a long enough timeline, you won't even have to think about the things that surround you in daily life. However, it's a slow-going process no matter what. Accept that there will be gaps in your knowledge and just do the best you can to fill them in over a long period of time.

I knew what a fucking 冷蔵庫 was in my first week of learning, but I didn't know the word 天井 until 4 months into my studies. It's not logical but don't try to approach any of this logically or you'll just end up a corefag who doesn't actually know Japanese. Some words ARE super important, especially basic verbs, but nouns... there are just too fucking many of them to prioritize in a meaningful way.

What kid growing up wouldn't know what a 妖精 is? a 剣? a 盾？　城? the word for 平原？ There's no "point" knowing these for daily life but there's no point NOT knowing them either. Learn them as you learn them and don't worry about what you think is "important" because in the long run, ALL the words are important.

TL;DR don't argue with the language, just learn it.

>set steam to 日本語
>almost everything is just in katakana

what, is this normal for non-native platforms?

>>19983420
村人を作成中

>>19983344
Yes. Might as well keep things in English.

>>19983430
wait i just learned this, why did they use 町 if the original translation was town center? 村 would have been better.
Well it was town center and villager so i guess it could go either way.

>>19983450
Why? You can get used to Katakana. And yes, I still have problems.

>>19983454
Ok nvm heisig lied to me

>>19982794
It means that where an interval would normally grow by 30 days it will instead grow by 102. This severely reduces your retention rate, but according to Matt is worth is because it will reduce your daily review load at the same time and thus allow you to do more new cards every day as a result.

Whether or not it actually works as Matt envisions is dubious though: >>19982135

>>19983454
I mean, the only reason I baleeted my post was because I started off the sentence thinking I'd just use 作る so I left を in and errantly forgot to change it to が or something when I wrote out 作成中。Didn't feel like getting laughted at by DJT.

村人 makes more sense either way imo　even if it is a 町. Either way the point gets across the same, just like you'd know what was meant if someone poorly translated the same/similar out to "Person of the town" or "Village person" or something awkward like that. Not "correct" but doesn't really change the meaning.

>>19983420
>>19983454
which civ

imagine if strongbad read a djt

>>19983458
I guess you could do that then. When you already are I think it's pointless though.

>>19983497
i think you know the answer to that question

>>19983524
its gonna be sick when you look back on this someday and go wow there was no reason to translate it so awkwardly and weird at all

>>19983541
i really appreciate you believing in me like that anon.

This game has a good amount of kanji I just wish it was written larger.

play enough video games like that and absorb everything youre gonna be able to play all video games someday

>>19983564
long-distance stone throwing machine

>>19982567
How does one say "Please fuck my wife" in Japanese?

>>19983665
僕

>>19983156
>>19983200
かんちがいしないでよね

ちょっとわくわくなんか

してないんだからね

>>19983151
I just watched a one piece episode where 鏡 pops up. Kanji synchronicity.

>>19983715
浜辺で遊ぼう

Hello gents, would someone be so kind as to explain the following sentence to me? For context, the guy beat the crap out of some punk hitting on his loli.

>売られた喧嘩とはいえ、俺は暴力をふるって
相手をぶちのめしたんだぞ?

The "売られた" part doesn't make any sense to me, he sold a fight? Is he referring to an unwanted brawl? Does it means something along the lines of "although I fought, I did viciously beat the crap out of him (my opponent)"?

Thanks in advance anons.

Ok nerds, how dekinai are you
>Your level
>How long you've been studying
>Your personalized study method

N3 reading level, N5 listening level.
6 months.
I grinded the first 200 words of core1k then started reading. After that I'd do maybe 10 new cards in anki a day when I first woke up then read the rest of the day. I neglected listening practice which is why it's worse than reading by a lot.

>>19983983
喧嘩を売る
喧嘩を買う

>>19984028
Thank you kindly, anon, now everything makes sense.

somewhere around n2
seven years
read lyrics and look up the words i don't know in the dictionary once every two weeks

>>19984010
>>Your level
Fluent
>>How long you've been studying
10000 hours
>>Your personalized study method
Anime all day every day

>>19984010
N1
On and off for maybe 8 years
Never really studied. I just read stuff that I like.

>>19983260
If you're a beginner then you have no fucking clue what is useful or not.

>>19984010
>>Your level
English
>>How long you've been studying
0 days
>>Your personalized study method
Post in these threads

>>19983151
Would be easy if you did rtk

>>19984010
>n5
>5 years
>shit posting on djt pretending to know everything

>>19984010
Im >>19984157 and >>19984146

>>19984165
Don't be salty that I learned mirror kanji from rtk

>>19984010
最大ゲイ

適用なーし

noob殺し

>>19984134
nah stop bullshitting dude. you know mirror is a worthless word.
>>19984146
i did rtk which is one of the reasons i remember its meaning. but i don't always recall the reading of kanji. for some reason i remember かがみ.

永遠に初心者のままのDJT民
どれだけ足掻こうともその先には闇しかないのよ

まだ先は長い爆笑

>>19984265
so worthless its only used for about 50 words

ゲームしてると

たーのしー

>>19984503
the fuck does it matter if the kanji used for the word "mirror" is also used in other words? we're talking about words.

>>19984603
>what does it matter if i make connections between words

So I don't wanna do anki anymore, should I look words up manually in order to remember them or is hovering with yomichan enough

>>19984649
in my opinion yomichan seems fine but i find that it helps to struggle for a second and potentially remember before you check, and the ease of checking can promote bad habits of not doing so
most of my reading isn't in a browser and i think the inconvenience of looking up words really pushes me harder to recall at least the reading of the word

Yomichan permanently cripples your brain as its easier to just hover over a word for its reading rather than to memorize it

Why dont people only look up the word if they dont know it? For example you are reading a VN, you read the VN and when you encounter a word you do not know you use Yomichan to look it up. You dont read Yomichan, you read the VN.

>>19984705
this is obvious to most people, the problem that can still arise is that you might think you don't know it or forgot it when you would have remembered it if you tried for a couple of seconds longer

There's a reason why the "make it" rate is so low. I've seen so many people come and go in the last few years. People who made it also all have a few traits in common.

>>19984649
I'm still using anki but for difficult words I find that looking them up in jj dictionaries helps my retention rate. This might be because these dictionaries have actual explanations for the meaning rather than gloss words though. Anybody have a jj dictionary for yomichan?

>>19984730
what are the traits necessary to make it

>watching urusei yatsura
>ataru's mom gets pissed
>"生むんじゃなかった"
>subs: "i shouldn't have had you" or "if only i hadn't given birth to you" or "i wish you hadn't been born"
is this a matter of subs trying to add a little flavor beyond just "i didn't give birth to you" or am i retarded and missing something here. she says it all the time

>>19984891
i don't know japanese but んじゃなかった does mean shouldn't have
you can find some unreliable explanations through google

>>19984891
see: https://jn1et.com/nndatta-n2/
んだった sometimes expresses the speaker's regret for not having done something.
んではなかった=んじゃなかった is negation of んだった, expresses regret for having done something.

Does playing DB FighterZ all day with Japanese audio count as immersion?

イチタ

ニータ

ヨンタ

サンタさんはいなかった

キャベツたべたい

>>19985017
ゲームをプレーしてるのは聞きじゃない

>>19985217
あたしは

ゲームのプレイもリスニングのれんしゅうになるとおもう

>>19985217
>draw a mouth
>call it a stomach

>>19985280
じゃ、思えれば、自分に正しいでしょう。

>>19985283
このボス戦が楽勝だった。とにかく、戦闘よりボスの名前を読んだほうが難しいんだなぁ。。。

>>19985363
Every boss in OoT is easy with the exception of Bongo Bongo if you're a real man and do it without the lens.

khatzumoto is fluent

I really respect matt's contribution to the language learning community.

Should I learn Japanese, or just jack off to JAV alone until I die instead?

>>19985456
You could do both, it's not like they invalidate each other. You could start by sneaking in some Japanese study during your refractory periods and see how it goes from there.

きてるきてる

たいふう

まじかもしれない

くうきがどんどんうすくなる

かぜやばい

がいろじゅ

たおれそう

やばいやばい

わくわくかんがなくなるやばさ

かぜで

くるまがとびそう

>>19982916
They don't "fuck up the deck", as such. The idea behind them is for Anki to learn which cards you struggle with and which you don't, and make it so the intervals on those cards which you fail a lot or hit hard on a lot grow slower than the intervals of normal cards. The problem with this is that those cards will grow slower on a permanent basis even if you never hit hard or again on them ever again (the only way to return the cards back to normal in vanilla Anki is to hit easy on them the exact number of times required to return their ease to 250%), which increases your review load quite a bit by making you have to review certain cards a lot more often than you otherwise would.

If you don't like this behaviour, there are two add-ons on this page, one which lets you reset card ease and another which removes the easy and hard buttons:
https://vladsperspective.wordpress.com/2017/03/14/optimize-your-anki-youre-overtesting-yourself-on-too-few-cards-make-huge-gains/

The reset ease add-on doesn't work automatically so you have to manually use it at the end of every session to reset the ease of any cards you hit again or hard on.

>>19986015
Would it be possible to make an add-on that makes the good button slowly bring ease on a card back to its default?

>>19986042
I don't think it exist but it shouldn't be that hard

>>19986042
It's called reading

>>19986057
manga is not reading

got rtk reviews done in 30 minutes today

What do you guys do when you can't find your 漫画 on the /djt/ site,i'm trying to find ラブコン and i don't know any sites for raw manga(except nyaa,but like always it's an old torrent with no seeders)

>set up anki
>create an account on an alt email
>set up anki on mobile (for studying on the go)
>set up 2k/6k
>set up yomichan integration
>accidentally close anki
>sync starts up
Why wasn't there a warning about this.

>幼馴染み
o-ohhhhhhh
so that's it in japanese.
huh.

Why do they use the word など so much in NHK easy and what does it mean? I've looked translations up but none of them would be appropriate for the way they use it.

Example: 台風２４号の強さなどを飛行機で調べる

>>19984010
>fuck all
>like 2 weeks
>idk yet
thinking of taking a 1-2 week break to cool off then start with RTK first. Going straight for the core2k was a mistake

>>19986142
natto is a food.

>>19984010
I just had a lot of spare time, and heard that going through RTK was more a test of mental fortitude than anything else, so I've been working through that.

>>19984010
1. I'm heavily reliant on a dictionary still, but given a sentence where I'm familiar with all the words being used I usually won't have too much trouble. That said, I'm by no means fluent and still struggle with things.

2. I made a prior failed attempt at learning Japanese where I did some of Core2k, read Tae Kim and like an idiot tried to learn kanji by rote, but it was a pretty miserable experience so I quit took a long break after that. I came back to Japanese again in late July last year, I think, so for this current session at least I've been studying for about 14 months.

3. Sooner than re-read Tae Kim, I watched the first season of Let's Learn Japanese Basic then went straight into reading Flyable Heart from there. Since then I've read a bunch of other VNs, a few manga, and one LN volume (which I read the scan of, only for it to appear in HTML format in the DJT library shortly after I finished it). I had seriously neglected listening until recently so I've been making an effort lately to watch raw anime (so far sticking to rewatches of shows I've already seen), and I've also been watching Virtual YouTuber stuff as well for listening exposure.

Didn't do Anki at all until a few weeks ago when I picked it up in hopes of helping me remember the readings of words written in kanji (I have the meanings on the backs of my card as well but they only show up on hover and 99% of the time I don't need them). I've only been adding words I'm already familiar with so far (just to be on the safe side, I've been adding pretty much every word I know except for cases like 楽しい and 楽しむ where I will only add one of them), and I'm now up to 3200 words. Not sure yet what I'm going to do with the deck when I run out of familiar words to add.

>>19986142
based EOP

Yoshi time to watch 10000 hours of anime

>>19986169
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnJMBcQFNME#t=185

よし
自殺の時が来た

>>19986174
you cant even kill yourself in japanese

>>19986179
I get to live another day, huh. Till I learn Japanese.

>>19986153
>they only show up on hover
Why? They're already in the back.

>>19986174
>自殺時来
self kill time come

>>19985017
No only good fighting games count.

>>19986153
That's nice and all but manga isn't reading.

>>19986151
RTK = meme

Here's the reality of learning Kanji - if you do it through reading/vocabulary, it starts off every bit as difficult as RTK and then tapers off towards the end as you start running out of Kanji to encounter. Those less-common ones are then 100x easier to learn since you can dedicate a larger chunk of brainpower to learning them as you've already got the more common ones down solid with vocab to match.

Someone who picks up 1500~ kanji in 6 months worth of reading/vocab is gonna be miles ahead of someone who does RTK for 3 months and starts reading. Not only do they have actual words to cling to and not keywords, but they're already starting to get "natural" i+1 in most of the stuff they're reading, which means more enjoyment.

>>19986214
Oh, I don't care about learning Japanese, I'm just wasting time and shitposting.

>>19985425
おお妖精・だい妖精？
読み方が明らかではない

>>19986251
yes it is

>>19986288
匿名くん、ありがとうございました

>>19986210
whos your fave girl in arcana heart

夜露死苦、キモヲタたち。

>>19986199
I don't want to see them unless I need to. For the most part they're just visual clutter and a distraction from the deck's main purpose.

>jmdict version is outdated
>major bugs reported half a year ago ignored
>no updates in 11 months
Is it safe to say Yomichan is abandonware?

use rikaichamp

>>19986210

>>19986414
>>19986428
I've never really moved on from rikaisama

>>19986414
what updates do you want? it works fine

>>19986435
200 hours isnt that shameful on the worst suto game of all time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLjowH7l3cs

i remember that 1 from the japanese run of prison break it was the outro ftw

I should have been reading for at least an hour and a half but I've been watching random unrelated videos on youtube instead. Even now I'm just using djt as a distraction.

I'm pretty sure khatz recommended it the last time I tried this nihongo thing. Never learned the lyrics but I used to blast it in my car during high school.

that album had some of the best of dr k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIQd81c2SaI

i remember that one too. good stuff

So I have followed all the steps for setting up yomichan and the 2k/6k deck in anki but a lot of the time I am missing audio in anki and getting the missing audio click for yomichan (when looking at new words that are in some of the dictionaries). Is there anything else I am meant to do?

listen to me sonny boy

ditch that shit while you still can go watch 10000 hours of anime

and then youll be ok when you start your reading adventure

itll still be tough but youll be able to manage and you wont be crippling yourself permanently

>>19986470
did you even read their post dude
>jmdict version is outdated
>major bugs reported half a year ago ignored

>>19986732
yea i was curious about specifics. is there a missing word that he needed the latest jmdict for? and what are the bugs?

works for me.

>>19986428
Does it have audio?

>>19986747
jmdict does not just see additions of new words but also amendments to incorrect definitions. constantly.
http://www.edrdg.org/jmdictdb/cgi-bin/updates.py?svc=jmdict&sid=
as for bugs just look at basic stuff like this that requires nearly no effort to fix
https://github.com/FooSoft/yomichan/issues/118

>>19986251
Im playing MM on the 3ds (it has furigana) and I think its だい in the game. It doesnt really matter, youll never see the term in real life.

>>19986775
pretty big deal on the margins, particularly for beginners. oh well, yomichan's alternatives suck dick.

That number 30 is supposed to represent the pitch accent in RikaiRebuilt, but aren't pitch accents only numbered 0-4?

Does it just mean 3 and 0 can apply depending on the region?

>he fell for the pitch accent meme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8YiAtcZ3Zg
New Kaz video interviews Dogen on pitch accent.

>>19984946
>>19984971
Ahh, I see, thank you. I need to pay more attention to the little んs that get scattered everywhere, they change meanings more than I thought.

>>19986428
No Anki support or I would.

>>19986916
wow dogen chan sure is painful in the unscripted

>>19986940
RikaiRebuilt has anki support.

>>19986985
Tried that already and it killed my browser: >>19970797

>>19986871
I think Matt explains that in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T1BBMYuCs0

I can't remember what he says though.

lyrics from a certain popular song
>月がにじむ鏡を
>流れた心
Moon blurred by mirror
Flowing heart

It would make sense to me except the を particle connecting the two statements to create what seems like a nonsense sentence. Why is it there?

you dont know japanese try again when you do

>>19987182
how is he supposed to learn japanese then bro

10000 hours of anime

low effort memes are killing DJT

make sense to me *shrug*

learning japanese is low effort if you just do what youre supposed to for as long as youre supposed to and not try to turn it into calculus

>>19987151
>6. indicates an area traversed
by the flowing heart?

>>19987205
Lowercasers killed it this year. Or I guess more accurately it's that meme posters are disproportionately lowercasers. Not every lowercaser is cancer.

your hearts flowing down the drain

10000 hours of anime.
10000 volumes of manga.
10000 ejaculations to eroge.

>>19987234
tip from an oldfag: we never used proper grammar on 4chan until post 2010 when reddit migrated and everyone started taking shit seriously. fuck off

>>19987228
I believe it is supposed to be two sentences, as per translations indicate. Maybe the translations are fucked?

dont lump me in with them . at least i use punctuations .

10000 hours of anime

100000 hours of everything else after

you will be good at japanese

>>19987247
the translation on something like that is always going to be fucked because japanese concepts dont exactly work well in english

>>19987247
Who cares about whatever nonsense you're bringing up. The correlation between this thread's decline and the lowercase posting is clear. You can chalk it up to some other cause but then, what is it?

>>19987247
Translations can be more about conveying the meaning or tone especially for songs so don't put much stock on that.
It's a song lyric so for all we know it won't even necessarily adhere to strict grammar constructions.

>>19987301
These threads are shit because nobody knows Japanese (makes sense, the purpose is learning after all). The problem becomes when a bunch of people who don't know Japanese are getting advice from other people who don't know Japanese, creating an environment where no learning is happening which ultimately devolves into low-effort shitposting and memes.

>>19987320
theres no funky grammar about it

>>19987326
you remind me of me from a couple years ago

that approach will never work

>>19987326
i think the real problem is that nobody asks questions about learning japanese, so there's no actual information flow. like every thread is 2% talking about japanese and 98% talking about methods and bickering about matt, nuke, etc etc etc

i know 1 of you is the guy who pasted reddit and old djt posts

your time is now let them eat cake

>>19987335
People ask questions regularly. Those people are seen as noobs by other noobs, who's knee-jerk response is "10k hours of anime" and other shit they picked up from other members. Ultimately DJT is a respite from learning Japanese where people come to shitpost between learning sessions.

djt is aids shit hole for epic noobing ripe with new blood to save from years of flash cards and other retarded shit

>>19986946
He has a few unscripted videos. He's not bad at all. He just sounds like a flawless newscaster when scripted in contrast. Watch your english youtubers when unscripted and they sound pretty rambly too in their native tongue.

>>19987389
he still doesnt talk quite like himself in japanese its really weird hes like half genki half anime character its some shit

language otakus i swear *rolls eyes*

>>19987362
yes, there are "questions," but as i said, it's literally all "is this method good? how do i remember words better? should i do anki? should i stop anki? should i do rtk? should i stop rtk? what should i read? what shouldn't i read?" and other extremely stupid questions that could be answered if only they would read the fucking guide. there's like 2 posts with questions about actual grammar points, and those get answered normally and promptly for the most part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKPtKdH-_q8

For the 5th time I'm going to listen to this for 25 minutes, then start making lunch, then finish the next 25 minutes. See you then.

>>19987405
I notice when everybody switches modes from eng to jpn they change personalities, tone, and basically turn into different people. Weird phenomenon.

its 2am bro

>>19987429
its because their japanese is borrowed and not truly theirs

look at that nice 50 y/o hiroshima man

It's about noon if you don't live in fucking Madagascar.

why is kansai the laughing stock of japan? what did they do wrong?

>>19987329
>theres no funky grammar about it
I think in that case there was "funky" grammar, as 月がにじむ鏡を流れた心 means something like "heart through mirror that is blurred by the moon". Even given the languages differences, I can't see that being the intended message.

>それと限る意味を示す
This is describing one of the uses of the より particle in a grammar book, but I can't think of a good translation for it. Little help, please?

>>19987461
flowing heart*

minna genki?

>>19987461
its 2 separate lines

>>19984010
Intermediary...almost advanced if i would say so myself

I began learning japanese 2 weeks ago

I went through genki 1 and 2 and right now i'm in the middle of tobira, also doing at least 100 new kanjis per day with the help of RTK

i think the real problem is no more geiposting and jamal is gone

>>19987484
Yes, my question was just why are the 2 lines connected by the を particle? That makes the 2nd clause the direct object of the first.

>>19987513
they arent connected

>>19987484
Then it's "blurred by the moon mirror を'd"
"flowing heart"

are anon ha gei desu ka?
>>19987500

heres a key to deciphering your final fantasy song

its like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNohq2JJMQY rip wayne static

>>19987500
im still here cant you see me *bangs on your monitor from inside*

>>19987521
anon ha gei desu yo!!

>>19987517
basically what >>19987519 says. If they aren't connected then there should be no particle after the 1st line.

>>19987500
ゲイイイイィィィッ！

>>19987536
lol

街を歩く
空を飛ぶ
水面を滑る

>>19987578
ちんぽをちゅちゅ

Can anyone help with setting up Yomichan's Anki integration?
How do I get the back of the card to be the meaning and hiragana? Setting it to {dictionary} doesn't work.

ニッガ　ド　ユ　ウンダステン　ミ？


デス

>>19987528
oh, i guess you are. thank's

>>19987725
iie senpai

dot

I'm a dumb RTK follower and need the help of the 1000 hours of anime watchers as to what the difference between 価 and 値 is

>>19987725
元気

Quick question: In Anki, how do I create a filtered deck for all the cards I answered "hard" on for that day?

>deck:"Core 2k/6k Optimized Japanese Vocabulary" rated:1:2
gives me both the "again" and "hard" cards of that day. I already have a filtered deck for the again+new cards and I want to keep them separated.

>>19987716
Nevermind, I think I figured it out.
{glossary} plus {furigana} seems to work, for expressions at least.

>>19987836
theres like 8 kanji for prices..

>>19987836
価 is material value (eg 等価交換)
値 is numerical value (eg 偏差値)

>>19988208
>>19988241
Thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVjnTPZj5rk

https://vladsperspective.wordpress.com/2017/03/14/optimize-your-anki-youre-overtesting-yourself-on-too-few-cards-make-huge-gains/

here's the addon I asked about some threads ago

>I think that the SRS has two main usages when it comes to language learning. One is quickly gaining a foundation in the language (grinding the most common 2000 words plus some grammar points), and the other is to retain arcane knowledge about the language which impresses natives but doesn’t have any practical utility (if the knowledge did have practical utility, then it would come up in immersion and that would be enough to maintain it). The SRS stops being really powerful in the “grind a quick foundation” way after around 6 months, so I think that as long as one is doing enough immersion, dropping the SRS after that point could be a good choice. Past that point, I think it’s doubtful whether the time spend reviewing material out of context in Anki is worth the time it takes away from real exposure to the language. Of course, using the SRS for arcane knowledge is completely optional.

damn, so use Anki for starter common vocab and then delete it cos you wont be learning the nitty gritty autistic stuff
I like this approach, it gives you freedom

>>19987836
Jisho has more info usually.

my first place to get info is to ask on djt

and if that fails i pm nuke chan on reddit he usually knows the answer

will he learn Japanese before he dies out of old age?

>>19988380
I disagree.
First of all as a beginner you haven't had enough immersion to properly understand the real meaning of the words. Grinding grammar is even more useless.

However at an intermediate level these are always some words that I encounter frequently but not frequently enough to remember them. It's these you want to turn into cards.

>>19988428
He's cursed. He won't be able to die before he learns Japanese.

i'm just going to become an anki drone that learns thousands of sentences without attaching any sort of emotional response to them
yes, this will make japanese enjoyable to speak and use.

>>19988438
now im writing a fanfiction in my head about how nuke chan outlived the current societies we know today and there ends up being no more japanese people and nuke never learned japanese in time to save them and hes gotta hold that shit forever

maybe i could make this into a "light novel" lmao

>>19988431
but why remember them if they are bound not to come up in the shite you use? his theory is that if they were useful you'd have encountered them more often

>>19988431
>However at an intermediate level these are always some words that I encounter frequently but not frequently enough to remember them. It's these you want to turn into cards.
that means that you're not immersing enough or you're expecting results that are unrealistic

even if you put those words into cards you're not actually going to be any better at japanese five years from now than if you didn't

>>19988475
THIS
the amount of time you're wasting on SRS outweighs the time you could spend on immersing
down the road you'd go to the same results, but with immersion it would be way faster

LMAO number of his Patrons dropped

>>19987949
figured it out myself,
>rated:1:2 -rated:1:1
did the trick.

>>19988475
but then he gets to remember niche words to impress japanese girls with and strike awe into fellow weebs with his great kanji knowledge
>>19988481
this

when will you share it with us anon?

Is it a bad idea to learn kanji through vocabulary compared to doing RTK first?

>>19988499
it's a bad idea to discuss that with people who haven't learnt Japanese yet, yes

Djt can't learn Japanese so they spend their whole time debating about what is the best learning method instead.

>>19988475
>>19988481
i think you misunderstand what intermediate level means

it means youre more or less fluent

or in otherwords the snowball or maybe more like a katamari from that video game you know the 1 : ) is rolling and theres just some things that dont stick to it but youre never clueless anymore

making flashcards is still retarded because all your deficiencies can be fixed with exposure to more things regularly

>>19988485
What did it used to be?

/DJT/, legit question now. It took Matt for you to totally forget about Anki. So all that time you cluelessly grinded shit in Anki and now with that new revelation you're dropping it.
I mean that proves Matt is some kind of genius right?

>>19988391
Thank you too

>>19988485
its no surprise he sucks at content creation and his japanese is only まあまあ

what i dont get is why youd give money to someone on the internet who hasnt actually produced a success story in anyone else or himself

>>19988523
it was like 6-8 patrons more 2 days ago
another month's coming, they don't seem to want to pay any more

>>19988532
i dont think anyone that doing flashcards has stopped

round these ere parts them boys are perma tarded

>>19988540
his success story: strong conviction that what he is/was doing is the right way + actual results in that he can Japanese
even if shit he said was wrong he said it in such a manner that you'd believe him as a beginner, I guess that's better than constantly reminding everyone that you're not sure of your ways

>>19988556
the closest he got to a success story was posting that vid of nick chan lamenting how he got owned by a loose bitch and how it literally ruined japan for him

>>19988567
there's no-one here who speaks/reads/understands better/more than Matt, deal with it
you don't have to like him, but at least acknowledge his skill

>>19988584
You're forgetting our boy Jamal.

>>19988593
Was this taken at his Patreon-exclusive ofukai?

no it was taken in his bedroom at his parents house during the toilet head visit where he also beat up matts dad for the rights to his ass pussy

日本語の勉強は楽しがない。。。；；

How many of you are doing this while being a student? It's fucking suffering.
Only reason I'm forcing myself to go through this is because I am able to go to a Jap. uni as an 留学生 next year.

>>19988485
fucking bringing this guy up AT ALL should be a bannable offense honestly

>>19988690
why force yourself when you can just go with the 流れ of your heart lol

>>19988515
lol

if you're "more or less fluent" that's exactly when you need to use flashcards the least

"more or less fluent" is also basically the advanced learning level by definition of what group of learners is advanced

don't talk about the learning process if you haven't been learning for years yet

>>19988707
why are you @ing me you didnt say anything that pertains to my post

>>19988584

>>19988722
nanka eroi lmao

>>19988712
>i think you misunderstand what intermediate level means
>it means youre more or less fluent

>"more or less fluent" is also basically the advanced learning level by definition of what group of learners is advanced

btw just a lil reality check ill illustrate where beginner and intermediate and advanced are on a graph yall love graphs right

beginner is the yellow part of the wakaba mark

intermediate is the green part of the wakaba mark

advanced is when you become space faring and escape the gravity of the wakaba mark

hope that helps just with the labels because labels are very important

Now all of you who consumed enough VNs. What's the difference between 運命 and 定め? And what can be implied when さだめ is spelled as 運命？

my 運命 is to have human 免疫不全症 virus that turns into 後天性免疫不全症候群

>>19988764
x to y no chigai in google, thanks

there never gonna do that

>>19986338
Angelia, Mike

>>19988782
>後天性免疫不全症候群
Now that's an autological word

>>19988764
off the top of my head (a very reputable source, rated 10/10 by people such as myself) -

定め is a decreed fate that you cannot escape no matter how much you struggle, one that has been somehow _imposed_ by a higher power
運命 is more generic, can be positive or negative and in general can be used to describe anything you would the corresponding english terms for

but probably the best way to find real answers to questions like this is just to search for "運命 定め" and see what the nihonjin say

kanji is really easy to understand !!

>>19988793
thou shalt not pass

>>19988502
learning japanese doesn't mean you know the optimal learning methods. look at matt recommending rtk.

very true thats why i just say watch 10000 hours of anime and give the rest to god hell help you out later when its time to read

thats how it happened to me shoutouts to jesus

>>19988782
>後天性免疫不全症候群
jfc

>>19988804
Huh, nice. Thanks.

>>19988804
you only know 定め because of jojos bizarre adventure

thats my perception

>>19988849
never watched or read any jojo

have watched and read similarly cheesy media

The difference is that 定め sounds cooler.

>>19988909
訓読み always sounds cooler than 音読み. That being said, 運命 is still pretty cool.

>>19988906
dang thought i had u pegged

i was thinking of this ftw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj9EwrkHUdY

>>19988844
want to add that higher power may not actually refer to any actual higher power, could just be "fate" or "the universe itself"

but really don't take my word for it and look it up yourself

>>19988917
That is usually the case, but there are exceptions like 躊躇 and words with 殺 or 斬.

>>19988920
your reckoning is pretty much it except it doesnt have to be so negative it can actually just be metal as fuck \m/>.<\m/

絶対
運命
黙示録

>>19988932
tfw 剣 I've only ever seen read つるぎ in names and not to describe actual swords.

>>19988952
Read more chuuni stuff.
Bonus points if it's written with the 旧字体.

>>19988755
the fact of the matter is that if you're "more or less fluent" then nobody would consider you intermediate outside of stupid semantics games where you have trapped yourself in a web of irrelevant abstract logic that doesn't reflect reality

>>19988952
itsuwari no karada wa.......
......SOREDEMO TSURUGI DE DEKITEITAltu!!!!

Deleted Anki yesterday
What do I do now?

>>19988952
It came up in last Tuesday's epiode of Overlord.
>私は王の剣。

>>19989044
Read more

>>19987151
the verb according to the を in the first phrase has probably been omitted so the listener can fill it in with their imagination. if it's obvious you can do this with を

>>19989044
Whatever you want, you're a free man now.

>>19986214
RTK is not a meme. Those who didn't do RTK are illiterate, because they are unable to write. You don't "acquire" kanji by cramming vocab, and you definitely don't get "actual words to cling to" because vocabulary cards are done production-style which means you're being tested on the reading. Your entire post demonstrates not only a complete misunderstanding of methods for learning Japanese, but a complete misunderstanding of the language itself.

>>19989093
じゃあそのＲＴＫとやらで培われた実力を確かめさせてもらいましょうか

>>19988918
oh yeah that one's a classic

the one i was thinking of was actually a symphogear: https://m.bilibili.com/video/av14747274.html

fixing even the dumbest plots with the power of song

>>19986791
Yomichan itself sucks dick, and is functionality inferior to Rikaisama in just about every way.

>>19989093
rtk is not even good for learning to write and you do not need to be able to handwrite to be literate

>>19989029
shouldnt have tried to play the semantics game and just accepted that proficiency is intermediary lol

>>19989103
lol symphogear ftw also

>>19989130
jamal i used to think you knew japanese but the more you try to get involved in stuff like this the worse i think of you

>>19989138
idc what u think i post what i want

Beginner: you
Intermediate: fluency
Advanced: interpreting and understanding Subahibi on anything but a surface level

yea that

>>19988952
>tfw
>>>/a/

>>19989105
doesn't matter since you have to use a specific outdated browser to use it.

>>19989117
>lit·er·ate
>adjective: literate
>1.
>(of a person) able to read and write.
>synonyms: able to read/write, educated

You're not literate in English, so it's no wonder that you're illiterate when it comes to Japanese.

guys i got it

just install the text hooker to your brain

>>19989187
i think thats just more of an issue of millennials being millennials innit mate

if you can construct coherent, correctly-spelled text then you can write in the sense needed to be considered literate
it doesn't matter whether producing it as characters on a visual medium is done through typesetting or strokes, as long as you are capable of making it happen

id say youd need to actually be able to handwrite to be literate though

otherwise youre just semi literate and theres a difference : )

the act of putting strokes to paper is not sacred or even actually important at all
granted if you can't force your way through writing something in hiragana and katakana then you probably can't read japanese either but that's a reversed goalpost

if you cannot write without visual prompting the thing you are thinking of you are not literate

you are semi literate

period : )

Is JLPT a meme?

If it is not, is the N5 level a meme?

there is no such thing as semi literate, if you can construct coherent and correctly spelled text then you can write

except if you cant write thus being semi literate : )

>>19989263
The JLPT is a meme.
Any JLPT study resources you find before the N1 are also memes.
The N1 is only useful if you have a specific place where it is beneficial like a resume or a family with abusive expectations.

if you can construct coherent and correctly spelled text then you can write
no aspect of "write" requires using a stylus to inscribe strokes on a medium in the modern world
if you disagree you're delusional. the unreasonable vast majority of writing in today's world is typesetting. over 99%.

that said most people can still write in their native language physically so if you cant write in a language physically but do all of that other stuff you are semi literate and not literate : )

The JLPT is a meme because it doesn't test writing and speaking.

The real question is who even cares about being literate when all that matters is being able to read classics of Japanese literature like https://vndb.org/v8731

you know whoever "wins" this argument is still pathetic right?

i can't write in my native language, it's physically painful
next

So this is the final form of RTK cultists, huh? Resorting to comparisons to natives? Pathetic. You realize that the typical native Japanese speaker can only coherently spell and hand-write words with about one and a half thousand kanji, right?

>>19989288
for epic win

>>19989289
im not arguing im dictating theres a difference : )

>>19989191
Absolutely based
Matt and Jamal btfo

>>19989290
reading your posts is physically painful well ironically i actually feel nothing

next

>>19989302
dang i blew myself out too epic for my own good

>>19989297
some day you're gonna look back on your current self and feel suicidally embarrassed

no dude it's actually physically painful for me to write lmao my hand cramps up and it triggers joint inflammation suck my cock

>>19989309
yeah im sure im gonna feel embarrassed that i spent so much time destroying noobs when i could have been doing something on a much grander scale

>jamal is the "noob destroyer" cultist
reputation: in the negative, even among people with bad reputations

the most difficult part of learning Japanese is not kanji, it isn't grammar or whether you read more or watch more media
the biggest hurdle of Japanese is actually having compelling content that you like and there's always something you can just watch/read that you're interested in

like now I'm trying to establish what I want to watch next but it's taking so much time, if I just knew I could've spent all that time just immersing

>>19989314
what kind of stupid fuck gets arthritis lmao

>>19989320
oh no noob no like me no more butt hole too sore

>>19989320
You should've noticed that jamal is a two-faced piece of shit a loooooooong time ago.

it's genetic my friend

>>19989336
just reroll?

>>19989331
i feel vindicated for several things but also djt is doomed

>>19989369
your day of revelation came much too late

noob slaiying theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXvVQ1JXYbI

>been reading daily +1h for almost six months
>still don't quite get かける

>>19989507
>claims to be reading
>doesn't understand context

>>19989513
I can understand a sentence where it appears no problem. But it has such a wide range it's hard to wrap my head around.

>>19989529
same as やる、they're just context words about as translateable as the word fuck is

>>19989270
is N2 enough to get a job in translation, i don't want to wait another 2 years of studying

>>19989659
sounds like youre ready to start scanlating right now

>>19989507
i wouldn't know how to fill it in in production but whenever it shows up it pretty much just "means whatever would make sense here via context" doesn't it

>>19989682
i've already scanlated two chapters of a manga but if i posted it you guys would trace it back find me irl and kill me for daring to speak above my level]

>>19989705
give me 5 choices with 1 of them being yours and i bet i can spot the djt scanlater

>>19989717
i don't wanna get publicly mocked for my hubris, the eops are enjoying it so far myself included

>don't do sentence cards or else you won't remember the word outside that sentence
>do vocab cards
>still don't remember the word in a sentence
That's another argument against sentence cards out the window. Now it's just down to anki vs no anki+read more.

>>19989724
you shouldnt scanlate if you cant take pride in your scanlations

>>19989736
i take pride in them but im a fragile baby boy and don't want to be hurt because right now my "head canon" is that my djt pals like me and appreciate my being here when i'm not obnoxiously making a bunch of blogging-esque posts about my situation

djt shouldnt be part of your support system baby chan

>>19989762
that wasn't even part of the original question i was asking but i'll go ahead and delete some posts so that this thread won't be "be smirched" by them

dont delete your posts this thread needs all the posts it can get https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2e1Nc41Jmw

>>19989788
if I memorize these lyrics I'll be ichi ban tsuyoi

>>19989836
if you wanna fast track memorizing them might i suggest flashcards??

i say ahilu u say boato

>>19989840
yea I'm going to do it, they got the lyrics in the summary already

ill be ready 2 battle u at karaoke

How does one find compelling content if one isn't interested in manga or anime?

>>19990241
Kill yourself and be reborn with better taste

>>19990279
Look, you can like anime all you want, but anime will always be more of a "pleasure against ones better judgment" type of enjoyment

>>19990241
>>19989344

or watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hqe9sH37LQ#t=10

>>19990297
And you will always be a pleb.

honestly in 2k18 i cant blame anyone for not being interested in anime or manga

>>19990241
The Anime Man says all of the anime/otaku people that study japanese end up being the worst at speaking japanese and usually end up dissappointed when they get to japan. He says the best people at japanese are the people that love all things japanese and can learn beyond the limits of just anime.

>>19990343
this is true but anime is the 鳥居 dude

some people walk thru it and others dont but in the end its all the same

What does it mean to attach ほか to the て-form of a verb? I just sae 言ってほか and I don't know WHAT is going on.

>アメリカのバージニア州で１２日、白人がいちばんだと言ってほかの人種を差別する人たちと、その考え方に反対する人たちの争いがありました。

>>19990581
Fuck nevermind, I can't even parse N3
Japanese

>>19990581
>言ってほか
>other words
ほか just means other

Should I take N3 and have 90% chance of passing or do N2 and have a 20% chance of passing?

I could probably pass N3 right now but idk if I should shoot for N2 or just have my safe bet. Help I only have 20 minutes to decide!

>>19990581
the trail of blood continues

>>19990588
but at least you already know youre dead

>>19990624
If there's no anime episodes on the JLPT, you don't need to take it.

Anyone here run VNs in Wine with ITH?

I'm having trouble with getting the hooked text to auto-copy to the clipboard. I've enabled the setting in ITH, but it doesn't seem to work, though there doesn't seem to be any problem with the clipboard since when I manually highlight the text it auto-copies to my clipboard at that time.

Anyone know how to get it working properly?

>>19990740
I have to take it for a few reasons, but if I pass at least I get a short term boost of confidence.

>>19990624
take N1 with a 99% chance of passing after another year of immersion

>>19989044
i wish i could do that

>>19990602
>tfw the smallest drive-by translations help

>>19990832
tell me about it. i'm not quitting anki entirely until i've reviewed RTK for about a year.

>>19990825
I mean either way I'm taking N1 in July since I think I could at least battle with N2 in December.
I mostly study that way anyway, with anki and reading grammar guides in the mix.

>>19990843
its like a drug. before you know it your finding all kinds of reasons just to add one more card.

>>19989044
To each his own.. I load it up with custom vocab that I find and memorize 100+ new words some days (with about 70% retention). I'd feel naked without it at this point.

>>19990901
i wouldn't feel naked but i feel similarly that anki helps. but i've been told by someone who became fluent through reading that although they had used anki, they realized in the long term that their passive vocabulary was mostly attained through reading and not anki. anki just feels like it's helping you because of immediate feedback, but reading expands your vocab on a slower but wider scale, particularly when that vocab comes from content that interests you, because context helps cement the word better than dryly memorizing it in anki. that's what he said. steve kaufmann said something similar. i'm not ready to ditch anki yet but they've got the proficiency to back it up.

>>19990943

most polyglots don't use anki

so read all you want

>>19990943
>context helps cement the word better than dryly memorizing it in anki
Nailed it.

Why not both

たいふうすぎた

くるまがとんで

しんごうがおれて

きがたおれた


あとネットきれた

樹齢数百年以上の

大樹が半分たおれた

かなしい

>>19990943
Reading is awesome, but it really helps to have a strong foundation before you truly start getting words cemented through reading. Anki is not 100% necessary, but if it's unlikely you'll see a word for a long while, it could be worth adding. Just don't dwell too hard on it. Assuming you can read 90+% of the things you're seeing, the last 10% will either be completely new kanji whose readings you don't know yet, or words you couldn't figure out from context alone.

Reading/playing/etc will act as its own natural SRS. For example, locations in games you go to a lot.　ゼルダの伝説 has places like ハイリア湖畔、ハイラル平原、墓地、城下町、ゲルドの谷、ゾーラの里、etc. Common words that show up all the time in regular sentences will practically drill themselves.

If you have downtime that is not being used well for anything else, like work or a commute, use anki then if you wish to solidify those things. Otherwise, you're better off reading and playing.

>>19986916
Wow, Dogen is so awkward. Matt is way better.

I tried to learn Japanese back when DJT was on /a/ a couple years ago but failed miserably. I want to start again now.
Has anything changed since then or is the approach still exactly the same?

>>19991431
>1 month getting sleep schedule on track
>1 month meditation
>3 months RTK (remembering the Kana)
>9 months RTK (remembering the Kanji)
>3 months mining Tae Kim grammar guide
>a lifetime of reading and listening

This is pretty much the accepted course

>>19991463
> >3 months RTK (remembering the Kana)
Wtf is this? I used 3 days, checked the table and then wrote all the kana in a textbook.

>>19991463
Delete that shit. Three months to learn kana? It's a six hour course you procrastinating ass.

>>19991431
Less anki grinding and more watching anime and reading light novels every day aiming for 10,000 hours. Learn 30 new things in Japanese everyday from stuff you watch and read while doing it.

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1oaOyng8TRO

What's a good nip only game for an older system (not older than Gamecube/PS2) that never got translated?

>>19991720
newer*