/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>19919585
Fuckin forgot thread title, ignore this shit.

>>19919598
lolololololololol XDDDDDDDDDDDD キタ━━━(゜∀゜)━━━ッ!! キタ━━━(゜∀゜)━━━ッ!! キタ━━━(゜∀゜)━━━ッ!! キタ━━━(゜∀゜)━━━ッ!! キタ━━━(゜∀゜)━━━ッ!! キタ━━━(゜∀゜)━━━ッ!! キタ━━━(゜∀゜)━━━ッ!!

Started with a ruined castle and a princess this time. Learning Japanese with games is fun

I MISSED YOU GUYS

北海道でいちばん大きい火力発電所の「苫東厚真火力発電所」は、９月６日の地震で、電気を作る３つの設備が全部止まりました。

３つのうち１号機は、壊れていたボイラーを直して安全になったため、１９日の午前９時に動き始めました。このため、北海道では地震の前の日にいちばん電気を使ったときより多く電気を作ることができるようになりました。

しかし、北海道電力はほかの古い発電所でトラブルがあるかもしれないと言っています。このため、これからも家や会社では電気を使いすぎないようにしてほしいと言っています。

>>19919585
Anyone interested in 福岡弁、京都弁、名古屋弁 or 大阪弁?
https://mega.nz/#F!uPIVzQjT!tpbRTqsaumVhowu0UWGBIQ

Reminder that manga isn't reading.

>このチャネルのビデオをミる
>びっくりヨいとオモいよ

Where's the jlpt tango deck nukemarine always talks about? He's being a Jew about it but someone should have uploaded it somewhere.

>>19920682
also bumping for m4tt's fix because good god the original is ugly

げえむする

いっしょにげえむしよ

>>19920613

>>19920801
>Literally reading a website made for kids
You'd better immerse in some drama.

死にたい

yoshi time for reading

>>19920892
It's also targeted at gaijin learning Japanese, I believe. But yeah, there's simply not enough content there for it to be even worth bothering with. If that's your only input your growth will be slow as hell.

Why is 描く's 「えがく」 reading marked as popular in JMdict? Whenever I've seen this in visual novels, the character has always voiced it as かく. Also, a search for "絵をかく" in Google yields 300,000 results, while "絵をえがく" yields only 16,000 (barely over 5% of the former). If えがく was the common word for drawing as opposed to writing, surely this should not be the case.

>>19920958
Oh, and there's also the case of 絵かき. Notice it's always かき at the end, whether you write it as 絵描き or 絵書き.

にほんに

絵を描いて

ごはんたべてるひと

２００人くらいしかいないんじゃないかな

>>19919954
>see Japanese tweets about Tokyo game show
What is Tokyo Game show though

>>19920644
どうも

>>19920982
へー

イラストレーターをやってるのは大変ですね。

>>19920958
It is popular, but if you don't care you can safely read it as かく most of the time except in expressions like 弧を描く, 思い描く.

>>19920958
They are different words. Stop using horrible dictionaries like that

I've been learning japanese for one week. Can I start reading?

>>19921025
たいへんっていうか

好きな事やってるひとには

お金をださないことになってる

>>19921069
Wait atleast a year

>>19921086
Of all the retarded memes these e-celebs spread this one is certainly the most retarded

>>19921069
Yes. You should start reading as soon as possible. Start with Yotsuba.

>>19921100
Manga isn't reading though.

what was the word our guy matt talked about getting in trouble for using at a college on that stream

>Reading conversation between Steve and native on LingQ
>Steve's speech is filled with なんかs and あのs
>The native can only muster up なるほどs and はい、え～s
>In one spot it's literally just "(I cannot figure out what Steve was saying here)"

Today's a dark day, I've realized my man Steve is, like, N2 tops. His method is still top-tier though.

>>19921245
he takes on too much at once but he's still better at japanese than most of the self-acclaimed language learning masters who have only learned japanese

>>19921245
Who are you quoting?

まっておにいちゃん

ずるい

>>19921253
When he was learning Japanese, that was the only language he was doing and he lived in the country.

>>19921275
Epic, simply epic.

>>19921318
that was also like four centuries ago and he hasn't been keeping up

>>19921086
Honestly you should wait until your death bed. Only then can you truly transcend to the next level.

たこやきかって

shiruka

>>19919585
So, I'm 1500 words into Core2k, and I just recently discovered RTK and AJATT (and Matt's videos).

Should I just drop 2k at this point, and start grinding out RTK and listening to a lot of Japanese instead?

I'm pushing hard for the last 500 words, and could probably get them all in about 10 days more or less. What do you guys think? Just go on and finish 2K or drop it now and do RTK instead?

>>19921479
matt's last 1 hour disorganized rant admitted that all of his paying followers doing rtk are having a bad time (he still doesn't admit that he doesn't know what he's talking about though so stay tuned for a new bullshit plan)
the fact that you've managed 1500 words should be proof enough to you that you don't need to waste time on isolated kanji study, what do you think it will bring you
you should finish or drop core2k and mine words from reading and listening, and you should do a lot of reading and listening and less than an hour (preferably less than 30 minutes) of anki

Can someone link me a mega for all the Monogatari books or something.

>>19920682
You need to buy the book so nuke kindly gives you the deck of the book which he didn't even make on the first place. He'll also give you PDF of the book which he got from someone. Don't bother anon, the books and decks are a waste of time, just look at Nuke.

PS first deck was posted in previous threads

>>19921506
I mean, I struggled a lot to get to 1500. Took m about 6 months, and three tries. And I still get some words confused due to not being familiar with the kanji. My entire experience with Core 2K has been "this would be SO much easier if I did isolated kanji study" so I started doing some on my own, just through rote memorization. Got 500 of them down, but an easier method like RTK I think could be very useful. I would very much like to learn all the kanji in 2-3 months desu. I think the long term effect would be super beneficial.

>>19921506
All is good but 2k is a horrible deck. Why would you recommend it, did you even go through it?

>>19921536
is the 10k optimised any better?

>>19921527
What a loser. And I was hard on myself for going through Rtk1+3 in 2 months

>>19921527
Give up.

>>19921516
They're in the DJT library

https://djt.netlify.com/b/[西尾維新]%20物語シリーズ/index.html

>>19921540
What I know is that 2k is utter shit. I just mined list of legit most common 1000 words.

>>19921527
thinking it would be easier if you did isolated kanji study is a trap, it'll be easier when you know more words, not when you can write more symbols
there is benefit to isolated kanji study of a couple hundred because you learn to pay more attention to the composition and mix them up less, but there are also diminishing returns to studying thousands without learning how they are actually used in real language
finally, premade decks are also shit because you are learning words you've never seen before which is not what srs is made for, srs is for memorizing information that you have encountered elsewhere
mine words that you have encountered around three times and you will have a much easier time getting them down
>>19921536
i was going to only recommend dropping it but 500 more words isn't the worst thing you can do, mining is my advice

Should I bother with textbooks like genki 2 and tobira or go straight to exposure? I finished the beginner's stuff btw

>>19921546
oh shit for real? i've tried searching for them but i guess i don't know how to use the site.

>>19921588
I went from reading 80% of Genki I to just doing anki to 4k, then I started inhaling manga and now I'm reading LN:s with mild difficulty. You'll pick upp the grammar you're missing fairly quickly because you'll be googling every single sentence you read because you can't understand shit but that's the way it is. No shortcuts, just pain.

Is there any special reason why mega only has the first 6 volumes of watamote? I get that it's currently running but it is up to volume 12 now apparently and 6 has been out for years.

>>19921577
>>19921543
>>19921542
I really fucking hate that this stupid fucking thread can't even give people a straight answer on things. 6 months ago, I start with the guide, just as it says. Do the Kana, Core 2K, and some isolated Kanji study before starting Yotsuba. Come back with my progress yesterday, and people are like "hurr durr, are you joking? You're too slow!" "You should be doing RTK, and immersion from the start, it's NEW method." Spend a couple hours last night looking into it and reading about it, and people just fucking shitpost or give contradictory answers to what they were saying yesterday.

FFS, just have a proper guide at the start that's properly updated with what people SHOULD do, as well as some examples of people that have gotten results, because this is just a fucking mess. Everyone is touting their prefered method, but no one is giving a proper guide that people should follow, and the one on the sticky is not only full of problems, but apparently outdated.

You know what's really NOT conductive toward efficient learning? Giving people the wrong path to follow, and then telling them to switch to a new one halfway through.

>>19921659
this might surprise you but people have different opinions and it's your responsibility to take in the information you receive and make your own decisions and own them

>>19921634
Thanks for the tip, native materials sounds like a way to go

>>19921674
Yeah, but it sure isn't any help when you come here looking for advice, and you're just misdirected by idiots.

I don't have time to be looking into the "most optimal ways of learning" I just wanna fucking learn the language, and have a consistent routine that produces results ffs.

If I have short term goals to strive for, then it's easy to reach for them and stay motivated, but I come in here, and half the thread is just like "hurr durr, that's not how you should do it, it's too slow."

>>19921659
This thread is full of autistic retards, why do you think you can rely on us for sound advice? The only thing you NEED to do in able to learn japanese is consume native content, everything else is subjective.

Also keep in mind most people are bitter because their progress is so slow and they take their anger out on newcomers, especially if the newcomers are making better progress than they were.

>>19921659
Any advice posted in this thread should be considered to come from a literal retard unless you have a very good reason to think otherwise. And the guide does not say "do this, this and this", it says "here are the common options, now try to think what would suit you the best". If you're looking for a single true and most effective way to learn Japanese you came to the wrong place. Go to some language learning cult where you can throw money at the cult leader instead of thinking for yourself, and I will continue having fun shitposting here and learning Japanese.

>>19921690
しりはあっても

むねはない

ゆーしー？

>>19921691
Read for 2 hours a day. That's it.
Everything else is a prep at best and permament crippling at worst.

>>19921691
>>19921674
Like, perhaps people should get together, and rethink how to approach the learning guide for beginners int he sticky, as it STILL recommends people do 2K first, AND there's not time frames for when people should finish, at least Matt's guide is giving people a time frame for when they should get stuff done so they can pace themselves accordingly.

>>19921696
>>19921692
I get it, but making beginners who come in here feel like they're wasting their time with the way they're learning and killing their motivation as a result is a fucking dick move.

It's the same shit as /ic/ and /fit/ people are just total cunts who get in the way of anything actually being proactive. You end up spending more time questioning yourself and rethinking your methods, than actually doing any proper learning desu. It's irritating as fuck.

Ranting aside, the sticky should be reconsidered, because at least from personal exp, 2K is pretty shit overall. It shouldn't be done before at least SOME isolated Kanji study. I haven't done RTK yet, but I think I will, that Matt guy seems to have a pretty good perspective on things, and I'd rather take advice from someone who's already fluent, than random anons ITTs.

>>19921718
Yeah, this is fucking retarded. It give you NO listening practice at all, no writing practice either, and if you lack the vocab and kanji, it's gonna be fucking grueling. There's more to languages than just reading.

>>19921691
>I don't have time to be looking into the "most optimal ways of learning"
You sure as hell would need hundredfold that time to actually learn Japanese. Sounds like a worthy time investment to me.

>why aren't you using TGS for your daily immersion, anon?

>it was a m*tt shill all along
Just return to wherever you guys usually dwell if you love sucking dicks so much. Being total cunts actually serves a very good purpose of preventing the thread from turning into preachers and of encouraging thinking for yourself in newfags. Same for /ic/ and /fit/.

>>19921728
>It give you NO listening practice at all, no writing practice either, and if you lack the vocab and kanji, it's gonna be fucking grueling.
Then watch youtube videos with subtitles? Jesus anon

>>19921733
No, you'll spend more time arguing with idiots about the optimal method, than getting anything actually done.

Hell, just a simple question about whether or not I should finish Core 2k, became an entire discussion and rant about the sort of people who frequent these sorts of threads on 4chan.

What I'm gonna do is finish 2k, JUST to get it done. If anything, that amount of vocab will carry me through the starting reading. Listeing to Japanese as much as I can, 30m-1h of active, and as much as possible of passive listening. And getting started with Yotsuba and RTK once I'm done with Core2k next week.

And just follow Matt's guide from there, it seems like the most effective.

And with all the Kanji, Tae-Kim's Grammar, and 2k vocab, reading should be relatively easy.

With that, I'm gonna get back to studying, this has already wasted too much of my time.

>>19921751
>Being total cunts actually serves a very good purpose of preventing the thread from turning into preachers and of encouraging thinking for yourself in newfags. Same for /ic/ and /fit/.
No, it absolutely doesn't. As an artist who's made it, I pretty much avoid /ic/ like the plague due to how legitimately toxic it is, and I wouldn't recommend it to beginners at all outside of it being a good fountain of free resources.

I also stopped going to /fit/ when it went full homo and juicing. But the arguments over the best training program were equally retarded and produced really odd results in people's builds and strength.

>>19921728
Reading helps your listening, listening does not help your reading as much. Writing practice isn't relevant for basement dwelling permavirgins who can't even write coherently in their own mother tongue.

>>19921245
He only learns for 1 hour a day, splits that between like 15 different languages and most of his learning consists of relistening to the same political podcasts 20 times, it's no surprise he's awful at most of them. He lived in Japan but that was 4 decades ago

>>19921691
it's impossible to look for advice in anything without the risk of being misdirected by idiots
optimal is a meme, you need something that works, and you need to judge for yourself if there's a problem with what you're doing, acknowledging that some struggle is unavoidable
>>19921718
this in spirit but listening is more important than reading
>>19921728
>no writing practice either
knowing a language makes learning to write far easier and faster to learn
knowing how to write has negligible on learning a language
it's a questionable idea to put hours into writing practice when you have no vocabulary
>>19921771
passive listening is a meme, you can start yotsuba now, sounds like you're taking on too many shitty resources and not enough real language but good luck

>>19921771
/fit/ really is a cesspool, the constant threads about manlets, mewing, nofap and equally retarded shit just fucks with your head.

>>19921659
1. read and listen to Japanese
it's that simple

>>19921771
I bet we could be friends anon. I share a lot of your perspective and only really come here to find more resources and occasionally shitposting; there is nothing else of objective use to be found.

The best thing you can do is evaluate the available resources for yourself, decide whether you think it's worth your time, and then see how it goes. If you made it as an artist then you should know that all it really takes is just doing the thing you want to learn a lot and eventually you'll get there. Who gives a shit if you go slower or faster than someone else did?

>>19921783
>Reading helps your listening
reading reinforces what you think the language sounds like, not what it actually sounds like, and it has little effect on improving your ability to parse hard-to-understand speech
>listening does not help your reading as much
in the early stages having more practice listening than reading can help you guess a lot of common shit you haven't learned to read yet, but when you're actually good at reading this is correct

>>19921659
we "should" not anything
you "should" take care of your own business and not put responsibility of your own study into other people's hands, you "should" not assume that there's a perfect guide that "should" be perfectly written by some magical being, so your ride gets as smooth as possible

besides these points you sound like you are mentally weak, especially with going through mere 1500 kanji in HALF a year, and redoing RTK 3 times - it's not us who are bad people, look in the mirror

>>19921691
>I don't have time to be looking into the "most optimal ways of learning" I just wanna fucking learn the language
but you just answered your own dillema, you can't learn Japanese if you don't have time
go be an emotional wreck in a different community, maybe try learning Spanish or Norwegian you fucking brainlet xD

>>19921771
You are actually retarded. I very much doubt you "made it" as an artist or anyone else due to how retarded you are. Why else would you ask the thread about "whether or not you should finish Core2k"? This question is so petty it does not need to be asked. It doesn't matter in the slightest whether you finish the fucking Core or not. And of course because it doesn't matter, the discussion devolves into a shitposting -- or rather, it couldn't be anything else because asking retarded question is a shitposting in itself. So you cry that people wouldn't give you coherent answers to retarded questions and go to m*tt's guide, whose idiotic advices would at least provide you with some comfort due to his """authority""" as a """native speaker""".
All that because you couldn't be bothered to think for yourself about language learning. Before all, you forgot, or maybe never knew, the central principle of having fun the second central principle of exposure, and, by extension, consuming compelling content, which is way more important than any stupid cores and ankis and rtks and meditations and whatever magic pills people are inventing to make themselves think that they are "learning Japanese" without doing anything.

>>19921728
>NO listening practice at all
Then watch some anime you stupid nigger. Even english subbed works.
Also VNs are usually voiced.

>no writing practice either
Why would you even need that?

>you lack the vocab and kanji, it's gonna be fucking grueling
How it should be. Don't be a bitch and power through it with whatever mouseover dictionary you have until your brain gets used to it.


Stop making stupid excuses and start consuming real Japanese if you really want to learn the language.

>>19921866
dude he wants optimal and luckily for him he found it, why consume compelling content when matt wrote a guide on how to hate japanese (and japan)

>>19921728
>Like, perhaps people should get together, and rethink how to approach the learning guide for beginners int he sticky
you love the word "should", why would someone nearly-fluent bother about retards like you and feel bad about not writing a guide for you? what have you ever contributed besides giving demands?
>at least Matt's guide is giving people a time frame
then go to his Discord? it does sound like a place for you, for someone who needs to be led by the hand all the time, keep in the mind though that the guide is out-dated as Matt said himself and he personally doesn't believe in those plans/time frams but made it specifically for autists like you who are stunned without any kind of compass

>>19921728
>I get it, but making beginners who come in here feel like they're wasting their time with the way they're learning and killing their motivation as a result is a fucking dick move.
nobody can kill your motivation but yourself, people don't have magic power controlling your inner workings of mind, it's you who let their opinions crush it
if it's easily damaged then it's a shit motivation to begin with, you have serious mental and logical problems, please sort your head out with all those false illogical statements and then come back as a normal human being

>>19921245
steves only problem is he doesnt have a deep connection to hentai games which is basically required to learn japanese on anything other than a surface level

>>19921659

What we really need is a study containing around 100 complete beginners. All participants take IQ tests (maybe we can give them the option to not learn their score if they really don't want to know), all agree to work for 3 hours per day (no more, no less), all go through Tae Kim, and then we have groups that:

-Read and listen only
-Do Core alongside reading and listening
-Do Core and RTK alongside reading and listening
-Do Core + talk to Japanese volunteers

All participants report their work every day, and are encouraged to tell the truth if they skip or deviate. At the end of six months, they get reading and listening tests.

>>19921771
>30m-1h of active
at least you'll get a lot of (you)s dude

>>19921922

* Obviously, the talking crowd wouldn't get a reading test.

>>19921917
i hear he can't appreciate anime either the poor guy it's no wonder he doesn't practice japanese anymore

>>19921771
>As an artist who's made it
so it's a fucking oversensitive leftist type who wants peace everywhere and people patting him on the back, otherwise the communities are "toxic"
kill yourself

>>19921922
>no mining

Where's the group that just plays baseball against kids?

>>19921814
Basically. I just expected better from these threads since they've been on 4chan since the dawn of 4chan, but I shoulda known better. People here are just as clueless as /ic/ and /fit/. Not really worth listening to what anyone here says.

>>19921845
I haven't even started RTK, I just now discovered it even exists yesterday. I'll be starting it next week. I did Core2K three times due to burnout and life getting in the way forcing me to just say fuck it and restarting and taking a month off. Core2K is a shit deck if you don't already know Kanji. It actually became a lot easier once I ground out 500 Kanji from the JLPT through rote memorization.

>>19921863
Japanese would actually be my 3rd language. I'm already fluent in English and Spanish, been speaking both since the age of 5.

>>19921866
Yeah, I'm just gonna do things my way man. That's that. It was stupid to think that people here could ever give any decent advice on their opinions overall. This place is full of hipsters and contrarians with no real merit to back anything up.

My goal is to get conversational Japanese, cause I'll need it for work. Which means, being able to AT LEAST pass the N2 exam, preferrably ace the N1. That's it. I know immersion is the BIGGEST component of language learning, but Japanese isn't English, nor Spanish, which use the same alphabet. Japanese uses an ENTIRELY different writing system, with totally different grammar rules, throwing yourself at the wall of just taking in immersion without any foundational elements is flat out stupid imo. Learning the Kanji, the Grammar, and some simple vocab, to get the ball rolling seems like a much smarter way to go about it overall. Hell, if I were to take a beginner English learning with NO knowledge of English at all, I'd walk them through the basic grammar and tell them to grind out some vocab before telling them to consume any content.

>>19921922
why do you want to ruin 75 beginners with core and double-ruin 25 of them with rtk and 25 with early production

>>19921949

Because we don't have any proof of what actually ruins and makes you. That's the problem. The best methods aren't subjective. We just lack data.

honestly fuck the beginners they can eat shit dont talk to me till youve watched 10000 hours of anime

>>19921638
It doesn't have a direct link but read the 2018年09月15日 entry on the op site blog, those still running manga are mentioned. itazuraneko.neocities.org/updates.html

>>19921659
Unironically, read one of the guides in the op site and see what sounds the best then follow it. They all lead the same logical conclusion and unlike these threads the different guides weren't written by people trying to troll learners for personal entertainment. They're masterworks all, you can't go wrong.

>>19921937
I'm not a leftist, I'm actually far right. Not all artists are leftiecucks.

>>19921945
>Core2K is a shit deck
fixed
>It actually became a lot easier once I ground out 500 Kanji
now imagine how much easier it would get if you tried reading
>with totally different grammar rules
this doesn't matter at all
>I'd walk them through the basic grammar and tell them to grind out some vocab before telling them to consume any content.
that's what language classes do what do you think about japan's level of english fluency

このじかんにはやいね

オーストラリアのあのん？

>>19921945
>My goal is to get conversational Japanese, cause I'll need it for work. Which means, being able to AT LEAST pass the N2 exam, preferrably ace the N1. That's it. I know immersion is the BIGGEST component of language learning, but Japanese isn't English, nor Spanish, which use the same alphabet. Japanese uses an ENTIRELY different writing system, with totally different grammar rules, throwing yourself at the wall of just taking in immersion without any foundational elements is flat out stupid imo. Learning the Kanji, the Grammar, and some simple vocab, to get the ball rolling seems like a much smarter way to go about it overall. Hell, if I were to take a beginner English learning with NO knowledge of English at all, I'd walk them through the basic grammar and tell them to grind out some vocab before telling them to consume any content.
so you know what to do, now fuck off
learning either Spanish or English to native level isn't an accomplishment of any sort, most of Europe is bilingual

>>19921966
you have a fair point and your examples would give information

>>19921945
>My goal is to get conversational Japanese, cause I'll need it for work. Which means, being able to AT LEAST pass the N2 exam, preferrably ace the N1. That's it. I know immersion is the BIGGEST component of language learning, but Japanese isn't English, nor Spanish, which use the same alphabet. Japanese uses an ENTIRELY different writing system, with totally different grammar rules, throwing yourself at the wall of just taking in immersion without any foundational elements is flat out stupid imo
why the fuck do you sound like such a faggot? why do you capitalise things like that? why do you learn Jap just for work? why do you talk about obvious things like different script and grammar in Japanese?

>>19921995
>learning either Spanish or English to native level isn't an accomplishment of any sort
more importantly if you learned it naturally in childhood you have no experience with learning methods and the only thing you've learned is "wow it turns out input works" (you would think anyway, maybe not since they are avoiding input)

>>19921796
/fit/ is like any other board, sea of bullshit but if you come in with a genuine question (after reading the sticky), asked in the right thread people will usually help you.

>>19921990
>that's what language classes do what do you think about japan's level of english fluency
Language classes don't do that at all. I've worked in ESL in Europe. Language classes just walk students through their methods or platforms or textbooks at a snail's pace. To keep them hooked for as long as possible. Immersion is NEVER part of the formula at all.

I've told all my students in the past, make sure you read and watch stuff in English, EVERY DAY. The ones that do, get somewhere, the ones that don't stay in intermediate hell forever.

>>19921995
>learning either Spanish or English to native level isn't an accomplishment of any sort, most of Europe is bilingual
Ah, así que hablas español, o sólo dices gilipolleces?

>>19922011
Why do you care?

the problem is that you are normalfags with normalfag brains and you don't know how to effectively use imageboards, best advice for you is to stick it to Leddit or Discord and not shit up the thread

>>19921995
Spanish is a far more useful language than Japanese will ever be. Just saiyan. You´re only learning moonspeak to fap to your pedo cartoons and games.

>>19921945
Do you even have any interest in Japanese culture? If not then this thread isn't for you and you should fuck off.

>>19922038
"useful" "language" is a meme if you're not talking about english

>>19922020
>Ah, así que hablas español, o sólo dices gilipolleces?
The point I was making that there's a lot of Europeans with their native languages who have learnt English to a native level. I don't understand your spic language, but you won't understand my Slavic language either, you dumb dumb.
>I've told all my students in the past, make sure you read and watch stuff in English, EVERY DAY. The ones that do, get somewhere, the ones that don't stay in intermediate hell forever.
why the fuck are you talking about your boring ass life? you ask about advice and then you make some statements that apparently pertain to your ideal model of learning, it sounds like you are talking to yourself

>>19922038
Yes I do. So? I find it more useful than understanding you swarthy subhumans. Usefulness isn't always good, like you can be a useful idiot aka you.
People besides learning languages that are "useful" (only from the economic point of view) also learn languages that they find interesting, but I guess according to you they are retarded.

>>19922047
Don't worry. I'm already seeing myself out. I got better things to do than argue with spastics all day.

>>19922020
of course they weren't "ready" for immersion yet which is what i'm saying
you don't need to read textbooks before you can immerse
stop avoiding yotsuba and try it, the pain will do you far more good than anki is

>>19921945
FUCK YOU!!!

>>19922074
>gif from leddit
>uhm guys I'm on my way out
hope this is just a parady of a cringy teenage otaku who isn't even liked on the inernet

I'm going to try to read something way beyond my level and then piece its meaning through extensive research.

When people say "read tae kim" do they mean the entire grammar guide? Or just skim the first 3 chapters and then come back to it when you get stuck while reading yotsuba?

>>19922126
we don't know what they mean because we can't read people's minds, you'd have to ask the people who say those things themselves
keep on asking illogical questions Taco

>>19922126
read boiro

>>19922133
ok what do you recommend? i'm not the taco guy

>>19922135
link?

>>19922145
I'm not fluent to give you tactics on language learning. I just think personally that Tae Kim's material is easy enough to go through it all and then referring back to it (mainly because you are familiar with its contents at this point) and then shortly after referring to something like DoJG.

>>19922126
Skim the whole thing and then come back if you have some problems.

>>19922153
>>19922171
ありがとう

>>19920691
Why do assholes cry about stupid shit like this. Do you cry for your mommy to change out a burnt light bulb? Just change the card settings in Anki you dumbfucks.

all the add-ons and fixes are behind paywall now thanks to Patreon gimmick, don't expect any shit for free

>>19922126
skim the whole thing but don't bother trying to memorize shit
i also think boiro looks like a better option than tae kim (but i didn't use it so i can't say much)
boiro is easier to search, but dojg is made for reference
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/anon/boiro.html
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/grammar/dojgmain.html

>>19921945
Honestly, just watch Japanese shows for at least two hours a day, and try to learn 30 new things a day in Japanese as well.

If you want reading to be a part of it, you're going to have to learn kanji as one of those 30 new things you learn per day. Some front load, some hold off, some just ignore it. Up to you.

>>19922217
Thank god I can get on with japanese now.

>>19922217
Who's patreon?

where can I watch the latest yogamatt stream where yoga was at matts place

>>19922398
he deletes streams and reuploads them as private videos to sell as part of his patreon package

>>19922398
https://www.pornhub.com/gayporn

>>19922405
He still uses YouTube to host the videos so they can be linked here. Same goes with Dogen's videos.

>>19922405
he said himself there was nothin of worth in the stream, so he delelted it either or both because:
1) it had nothing interesting
2) he got disgraced by lack of donates
he probably wanted to show off in front of Pants but it didn't work, stick to videos Matt

> OP fucked up the top post
DJT - Daily Japanese Thread

>>19921245
i told you a couple months ago that steve is outclassed by ****

>>19922425
probably #2 tons of his content isn't interesting
it's a shame because i forgot that sick onomatopoeia i haven't run into yet in any of my hentais
it was also a good story that he thought as a teaching assistant he should talk about idols fucking, probably really upset that poor japanese boy

>>19920682
it's funny how he acts as a paragon of copy-rights-respecting, yet he doesn't have a problem with publishing videos with "Terrace House" excerpts and stills https://youtu.be/eB_fJOCqtew?t=9m14s

>>19921771
Matt's guide isn't bad so long as you ignore the part where he tells you not to read for the first few months.

>>19922529
he understands krashen so it'll get you there eventually but there's a lot of unnecessary shit

>>19922497
Dumbass that doesn't understand fair use is dumbass.

I feel so dumb. I've learned more in the last hour reading taekim than I did doing RTK for 3 months. Actually motivated.

>>19921945
I'm too lazy to explain why but watch this video to see Matt's thoughts on why you should do lazy kanji (kanji->keyword) as a beginner:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaCYzV2S3LU
Then when you're fluent you can go back and do RTK keywords+japanese->kanji.

>>19922558
US copyright law is not Japanese copyright law.

>>19922559
first you said you were doing RTK for 6 months, then you said you didn't do it at all, now you feel confident enough to say you did it for 3 months
make up your mind Taco

>>19922561
when you're fluent you don't need rtk just write some fuckin words you already have a better grasp on kanji than rtk or lazy kanji would have given you

>>19922561
Lazy kanji? Don't we call that reading?

>>19922580
that might be true but if it is, i don't get why several people who did rtk after gaining baseline fluency swear by its efficacy?

>>19922576
he never said he did rtk he said he did core for 6 months and restarted it 3 times you just have shit reading comprehension
>>19922583
lazy kanji is the best of both worlds: you don't don't learn to write kanji and you also don't learn japanese

>>19922576
Again I'm not the taco. I'm the guy from the last thread that asked about whether you should tell your friends you're studying seriously.

>>19922587

>>19921527
>I mean, I struggled a lot to get to 1500. Took m about 6 months, and three tries. And I still get some words confused due to not being familiar with the kanji. My entire experience with Core 2K has been "this would be SO much easier if I did isolated kanji study" so I started doing some on my own, just through rote memorization.

>>19922600
you found the right post now try reading it and this time more slowly

>>19922600
are you really this stupid or are you trolling?

>>19922595
>I'm the guy from the last thread that asked about whether you should tell your friends you're studying seriously.
then you managed to be even dumber than that spic, おめでとうございます！

Can I use a text hooker with the Dreamcast emulator? I can't find any info about it.

worst retention for RTK in a long time.

>>19922609
your standards are all out of whack if you think anyone in this thread is dumber than that guy was

I was feeling really down last night and ended up getting high. While at my peak I was just jumping through Youtube recommendation videos and found this gem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiADLu0Em3c

I cried. I understood the song, it feels so sad but yet it's slightly hopeful. Her vocals, the lyrics, and the imagery all really dug deep into me. The small snail departing at its slow pace on a journey only to find that it's stumbled upon a world much larger than it expected, but yet it still carries on; and then the transition from the slow snail into a doe sprinting at full speed in the rain even with no clear end in sight. Call me a fag but it was overwhelmingly emotional and resonated deeply with me. We're going to make it bros, even if nobody is waiting for us to learn and nobody expects anything of us, we're going to make it for ourselves. No matter how rainy today is, keep pushing forward. Even if you feel like you're going at a snail's pace, keep pushing forward to be that doe rushing on ahead. I love you guys.

You know, for some reason I expected to find a lot more porn in 2chan than I did.

Are they just not as degenerate as 4chan or did I just fail at finding them?

>>19922642
When everything is censored you might as well use your mind.

>>19922642
No one uses 2chan

>>19922641
hope you had some of the good shit, sounds like you did, love you too anon

>>19922661
What do they use then? 5ch? I tried that site too but I got dizzy with the millions of available boards and the layout. the fact that it's a text board is also disappointing.

>>19922641
Her vocals really are powerful and give off the vibe of a granny on her death bed using her final words to tell you that life sucks but stop fuckin cryin. Don't think there are translations for this song but her voice adds enough depth to it that I think even if you hardly knew Japanese you could get what she's saying. Not even high but it is a touching song.

>>19922677
You need a separate browser for it. They still post images as links to there which the browsers can show.

>>19922559
>taking more than 2 months to complete RTK
lmao

>>19922702
>wasting more than a week on isolated kanji study
lmao

>>19922702
Kek the same picture and everything. I wish I knew about this place the last time I tried to learn.

look at all those videos with 50-100 views max that last good 2-4 hours each and imagine what he could've learned in that time
I refuse to believe that dude is anything but autistic, the sheer volume of the videos and the scope of them ending at N4 level Japanese, and utilising Memerise all prove that

>>19922641
>真実は明日も私をきっと泣かせるだろう
>でも飛び出して
>飛び出して行こう
>待ってる人はいないけど
>泣き止んで
>泣き止んでみても
>外はもっと雨

>>19922699
>gotta use a browser
Well that sucks, since my Japanese isn't good enough for that
Talk about gaijin filter

>beat Japanese game
>credits are in English

what the fuck did they mean by this

Also, sincerely hoping the sequel is better than this, that final battle was hella disappointing.

>>19922724
It's my best laughing anime girl picture, no flame pls, i'm a poor man

>>19922641
僕も泣いたｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ

>>19922874
It's a nice realistic style. 好きだ

>>19922702
>>19922874
キモい
可愛くない
０点

>>19922906
you're wrong!

>>19922641
Not high but I cried. Anyone else have more music with modernized enka-esque vocals like this?

ハイじゃないけど私も泣いた。
誰か同じぐらい演歌っぽい歌声を勧めしているか？

>>19922874
リノアのような絵。。。

妹で妹に妹と妹をオナニーした

>>19922982
母と

>>19922641
How many more reddit replies can we get by the end of the thread?

>>19922990
笑うな

So people not using the Heisig method for 漢字and just going straight to Anki word decks, how are you remembering them? Just brute force memorization?

how's this for a reddit post. i knew of 別に but then i heard someone say 別 and i thought "it has to be related, maybe just not an adverb or whatever you would classify 別に as," then i enabled subtitles and it said "separate" and i felt good

>>19923001
Imagine being such an rtk drone that you couldn't possibly imagine anybody learning anything without doing rtk.

>>19923001
Sometimes brute force, sometimes make my own mnemonics, not very often though

>>19922995
What is a reddit reply?

>>19923001
brute force unless it's enough of a pain that making a mnemonic seems worthwhile
mining instead of a premade deck and reading a lot helps

>>19922641
私も亡いた

>>19923028
www

>>19923027
>>19923012
Do you practice stroke order and pronunciation every time?

>>19923001
Tried doing core first before RTK and found it impossible

>>19923043
>Stroke order
要らない
>Pronunciation
You should already know this from watching anime before you even started learning Japanese.

>>19923043
I have separate J->E and E->J decks for the same words, and write the latter. Very effective but fairly time consuming and requires enough autism to actually enjoy.

>>19923059
I thought stroke order was everything.

>>19923043
Stroke order is a fucking meme lol
Maybe look up the stroke order for shit that you have a hard time wrapping your head around how to even put together, but stroke order is fucking stupid. Japanese stroke order is different from Chinese stroke order, that should tell you how useless it is to learn it.

>>19923043
pronunciation but i don't care if i get the pitch accent wrong (repeat it and move on), i'm only testing myself on getting the kana right
i did practice a few hundred kanji when i was new and from that i concluded that stroke order is very easy and repetitive and it was what i messed up maybe 1% of the time, when i was surprised by an exception that made it that much easier to remember
>>19923073
do you feel that having a recall deck helps with recognition at all? do you add all words to both or are you selective? i'm intending to avoid putting much time into writing until i'm speaking, but sometimes i wonder if it would serve as extra practice for words that i'm getting down slowly

>>19923109
>Japanese stroke order is different from Chinese stroke order, that should tell you how useless it is to learn it.
Chinese are the scum of Earth, so not an argument.

中出しの楽しみ

>>19923134
middle expellings easy

>>19923109
if you do practice writing the extra effort of learning stroke order is so minimal i don't understand why anyone would complain about it

>>19923146
>easy
you don't even know rtk

>>19923123
>do you feel that having a recall deck helps with recognition at all?
Yes, it definitely helps. Feels like I only actually learn a word when I learn how to write it. In many cases I would confuse similarly looking kanji or just skip small kanji details, going by the general shape. Recollection isn't the point here, writing is. I started by pure E->J, but as the deck grew I had the need to add kana to many cards as there were many synonyms. Practically, you should probably do the (English+Kana)->Kanji for recall.
>do you add all words to both or are you selective?
I add all, or rather I have two card templates for every note, and each one goes into the respective deck. My goal was to learn writing.
>i'm intending to avoid putting much time into writing until i'm speaking
For me, doing E->J takes roughly twice as much time as J->E. For 15 new cards per day it's 30 minutes for the latter and one hour for the former. That being said, writing is a huge time sink regardless of when you start, so if you intend to learn to write you should probably start sooner than later. Maybe RTK is better than my approach time-wise, I dunno. I just don't like RTK.

>>19923153
hasn't come up yet on rtk

Stroke orderがミームの本当の理由は、stroke orderは書き用で、書きはfaggot用だ

>>19923001
Audio asshole. Do you think Japanese people listen in kanji?

>>19923193
lol you don't think they do? dumbass. fuck off this board.

>>19923193
But the Kanji aren't phonetic

>>19923190

If it wasn't for the word 胡瓜, I would never have known that these types of cucumbers exist.
Now I can impress my peers with my knowledge of country-grown vegetables.

>>19923264
現実だけど

>>19923180
i think i'd put kana first and definition for disambiguation, rather than the other way around
i'm wary of the time sink though, anki used to take me a lot longer and burned me out so i didn't read or listen enough. might try it out on some leeches and some mature cards and see what i think
whether rtk is good or not for other purposes doesn't fill the goal of writing words

>散りばめる

>>19923274
As expected.

Japanese life hack: If you're on a datacapped internet line and can't download a lot of anime, it's okay to get your 10,000 hours from watching the same episode over and over.

>>19923274
Did you know? Cucumbers are actually a berry. Now that's one big berry!

>>19923302
>i'm wary of the time sink though, anki used to take me a lot longer and burned me out so i didn't read or listen enough
That's why my method requires enough autism. Then again, learning Japanese requires autism in the first place.

>>19923339
Just like bananas. Isn't nature so awesome sauce!?

>>19923353
Yeah, it's totally epic to the max! FTW!

which is better: to put whole mined sentences into my Anki and learn new vocab like that OR to just tag these new words in the Core deck so I essentially learn them without context?

>>19923310
I guess it kind of makes sense if the end result is a heavily decorated ornament with inset pieces scattered across the surface.

so what's the best nip-only dictionary?

>>19923385
I don't know but I have tens of gigabytes of them and I can't be bothered to decompress them.

>>19923368
The more context the better. My format is
Front: Word
Clozed sentence using the _
Clozed sentence using the word
Back: Word
Pronunciation
Meaning
Front
If I get it on the first line then I don't have to read the sentence but it's there if I need it. If I get it wrong everything on the Front is also at the back for very quick reviews. Try mining with Yomichan if you haven't yet.

>>19921479
Matts an idiot, took him 8 years to get decent when plenty did it in 3. He can write well, and do a lot of things you probably wont care about. I say first you need to get good at listening and the things that help with that like vocab and slowly do rtk over the course of 4-5 months. You want to be listening and taking notes and reviewing the notes a lot. Put everything you find in Anki if you can. Feel it out and see what you need and do that more. Don't hang out here too much either, I skip days I come here.

you're judging competency by the quality of his output when all that really matters is input. he got a lot more input than probably anyone else.

What's the ugliest kanji and why is it 牽?

>>19923436
書 cuz it's hell to write

>>19923423
>He can write well
he can write, writing well could mean good handwriting or the substance of what he writes is good and neither of those are known
consider saving yourself some time and not doing rtk at all
why are you taking notes of
>>19923433
input has quality and he did meme shit because the input was a supplement to make anki go better rather than anki being a supplement to make input go better

>>19923433
This. Matt-sama could have shittiest, most foreigner-sounding Japanese, and He would still be considered a god just for being able to invent such a brilliant revolutionary method like AJATT. Bless the 尊師.

how do you get better at outputting? I feel like my input ability is at least 10 times better than my output. I can understand some fairly complex dialogue but i can't seem to form even remotely as complex sentences. how to fix?

>>19923436
女
理由は単純です。女性が大嫌いだ！

>>19923465
Talk to people

That said, your output will always be limited by your input abilities.

>>19923472
きみはゲイか

>>19923436
匁 looks retarded.

>>19923465
Make a channel on patreon, pretend to have the best comprehension imaginable despite being complete utter shit at speaking or writing and have people give you money for your invisible input skill. There, now you don't have to worry about output anymore

>>19923480
that kanji looks hilarious

>>19923436
虞 fuck this guy

>>19923479
黙れこの不能野郎!女の子は最悪です!! 嫌い!きらい!キライ!もう大嫌い!

>>19923457
Rtk is good, but I just wouldn't prioritize it like I did.
It does get you used to core primitives of the japanese language. It allows you to read subtitles and access to more content, browse the web and read things, etc. much more quickly. It will only hurt you if you do too much too fast.

>>19923480
樹

>>19923495
大機雷

>>19923462
>brilliant revolutionary method like AJATT
gr8 b8

>>19923436
汽 because it looks like simplified Chinese

>>19923480
Is that kanji ever even used? I've never seen it outside of rtk

>>19923495
はいはい恋愛格差さん

>>19923515
It was dropped from the jouyou list for that reason

the most important part of ajatt (input) was informed by antimoon. who were informed by krashen's jewish ass.

>>19923476
who though? hi native sucks since I'm not an english native and no one cares about my obscure shitty language. I was thinking of getting a japanese vpn and trying some of their forums maybe.

>>19923536
That's the last thing you should do, ruin other peoples' forums because you want to improve your horrendous language skill.

>>19923476
You can talk to yourself. Thats the secret to many of the great speakers of multiple languages. They say they talked to themselves a lot.

>>19923465
Act out what you've already heard. My 3 y/o niece is always doing that. It gets annoying sometimes but I can't argue with the results.

>>19923465
You said you’re listening is strong, and I’m sure it is. But how strong? Can you follow Trick 100%? Can you follow the Japanese Diet proceedings (www.shugiintv.go.jp) 100%? Can you follow Tiger and Dragon 100%? Can you repeat virtually any 5-15-second-long piece of dialogue you hear, verbatim, after one listening? If not, then, I’m going to go with the input hypothesis here and say that you do still need to listen EVEN MORE.

How do you remember all of the words for a definition in jisho? I've been trying to create a story (inspired by heisig), but sometimes it takes me a week just to learn one word. Does anybody have any tips?

>>19923688
You mean you're trying to learn dictionary vocabulary? Matt is a hack but his method for it is pretty good. Just learn the English equivalent for the dictionary words until eventually you can transition into monolingual.

>>19923688
>all of the words for a definition in jisho
do you mean verbatim? are you trying to recite the dictionary or learn japanese

>>19923700
I want to switch to monolingual, but some of these words have 20+ English definitions. Im having trouble learning them all. How much vocabulary does it usually take to go monolingual? I'm at around 30 or so words.

>>19923688
Memorize a sentence using that word for every definition. Use j-j dictionaries such as kotobank.jp that already have those examples so you don't have to look elsewhere.

>>19923543
this. please leave

>>19923726
Thank you. I'll try it out.

>>19923536
>hinative sucks
agreed. i could focus on japanese with all the boob i was getting

>>19923720
A lot of vocabulary. Plug the words into an anki deck and brute force them.

>>19923436
日. It hurts to look at it for too long.

>>19923543
Who the hell are you to judge, huh?! You fucking do it all the time here with your horrible social skills, you stupid fuck!

>>19923763
Unironically this. Japanese girls thirst too hard for foreigners.

A tip I'm discovering others probably did too is that you can get better results changing your methods frequently. Do anki cards in 5 seconds a piece some days and other days spend a minute on each even if it takes you all day. I just try to do whatever is getting results and when one thing starts to stagnate I switch it up quick. You have to trick your brain. Coffee is really good too. I get like 40% better results on caffeine.

>>19923798
that's quite a counter intuitive discovery you made there but I'm sure the science is solid

>>19923783
Man that's the main reason I'm learning japanese. I've heard from so many sources that have lived there they could have sex anytime they wanted. One guy told me you have to chew gum because they're super sensitive to bad breath, and you'll never get sex with out a condom. Besides that it's pretty much a マンコ free for all. I can't wait. I'd live like a poorfag if I could have endless tang.

>>19923809
That's one weird trick alright. I think it works too. I'm already starting to hate him.

>>19923436
>蹴
this kanji in this font

>>19923688
immediately start mining words from definitions and review them over the course of several months in anki. then start trying to make the monolingual transition. ez

>no complete japanese subtitles for Darker than Black

>>19923879
>using anime for reading practice

>>19923894
I use them for listening practice but I pause and enable jap subtitles to confirm a word I think I heard.

>>19923828
You'd be as sensitive to their breath since you're probably not used to their smell.

>>19923917
como se dice en nihongo SNIFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

>get into quintessential Japanese thing
>find out that they don't have a big site dedicated to that thing and Western websites are richer in content

what the fuck is wrong with Nips?

>>19923998
Depends on the content. They have endless stuff on jdrama's and j-cinema, but otaku culture is kind of shunned or something..

english content on the internet absolutely dominates most languages so it's no surprise if you think about it. russian and japanese are 2nd and 3rd IIRC. hilariously spanish trails behind both, because despite latin america's larger population they're just inept.

>>19923998
What's her name?

>>19922126
Slow down there buddy. Manga isn't reading.

>>19924024
So when I learn Japanese, the whole internet will be open before me! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>19924029
Explain.

>>19924040
memes, just say you're eating manga and everyone will be happy

>>19924056
got it. 漫画がたべる

>>19924070
What is it eating?

>>19924088
I don't know how to say that yet...

>>19923828
Are you perhaps this guy >>19917403

>>19924106
Try with ×を食べる

>>19924115
漫画を食べる
means "eat manga"? how can i specify who is eating the manga?

>>19921611
If for some reason you cannot find a series by searching on the library site, try searching on this page:
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/library/shousetu.html#rand
Click on the "読む" link to the right of the title and author to open the related series page on the library site.

>>19924106
ｘが (or ｘは) is what is doing the verb, ｘを is what the verb is being done to

>go to Japan
>date a non-Japanese
He broke the most important tenet of AJATT by immersing himself in Chinese instead of Japanese.

>>19924040
It's just a troll, ignore him and save yourself the worry.

>>19924140
>immersing himself
Did he fuck her?

>>19924029
*blocks your path*

>>19924150
that's not how you learn a language

>>19924139
ahhhhh ok. can i combine them to say that someone is doing the verb to another thing?

>>19924140
Probably no sane japanese woman wanted his stinky ass so he had to settle for a tyankoro

>>19924151
you only think that's reading because you've never read before, here have one of the easiest lns

>>19924134
僕はマンガを食べます

>>19924185
I forgot to add, just say na no desu in the end for extra politeness

だけおいしいポルノを食べたい
俺の日本語にいいやるの成る？

>>19924189
私は漫画を食べましたって思いましたなのではあります

>>19924185
so roughly (subject) はｘが（target) を(verb)

What form of 食べるends with ます ?

>>19924213
it's called the ます form, read boiro or tae kim

>>19924213
食べます

>>19924219
I'm reading TK I guess I'm not that far

>>19924206
what the fuck is going on here?

In anki
Is there a way to get new card from a certain part of the deck?

If not
Is there a way I can merge decks?

>>19924225
i'm not great in japanese by any means but i think you shouldn't focus too much on saying who is doing what at all, sentences in japanese doesn't require you to do that unlike english.

>>19924161
You mean like the following?
>キョンくんは妹をエッチしている
"Kyon is doing ecchi things to his little sister"

The breakdown is (Subject) は [or が、explaining the difference is complicated](second subject) を (verb)

A more complicated version:
>キョンくんは妹のおまんこにちんぽを埋め込んでいる

"Kyon is burying his chinpo into his little sister's omanko"

Breakdown being:
(Subject) は (second subject) の (second subject's possession) に (implied first subject possession) を (verb)

Someone can correct me on my grammar, if they'd like. Pretty sure I got that right, but I'm like 95% input and 5% output so I'm rusty in creating my own sentences.

>>19924206
need a veteran to roast this, I see a few flaws but I'm sure theres more

>>19924151
Looks like junk you got anything better to watch?

>>19919585
>>19921245
>>19921527
>>19921659
>>19923043
>>19923465
>>19923688


I was thinking about learning Kanji from jisho since all 2500 characters PLUS stroke order, meanings and on and kun readings are there for JLPT N1-N5.

https://jisho.org/search/%23kanji%20%23jlpt-n5

But each kanji has several different meanings so i'm not really sure how best to learn them. Do I just practice the stroke order of each Kanji and worry about the other meanings later? Or should I learn them all at the same time?

>>19924236
yeah i've noticed that as well. just curious was all.

>>19924153
Thankfully you won't catch any STDs since the Japanese versions of the diseases don't understand how to speak English biology.

>>19924249
STDs don't speak languages, retard. It doesn't care whether you speak English or Japanese.

>>19924240
His brain has probably been roasted enough.

>>19924237
>キョンくんは妹にエッチなことをしている

Is better

>>19924232
are you talking about the rescheduling option?

>>19924236
I think in conversational japanese you can ommit everything damn near, but in literature they still specify more than I expected.

>>19924226
i dont know japanese so i threw together some softeners into an abomination instead

>>19924206
私は漫画を食べましたって思いましたなの
i've thought i ate manga...

and the rest makes no sense


the rest makes no sense, maybe my brain is not powerful enough

>>19924237
I appreciate the breakdown.

>>19924257
couldn't you just say エッチこと or is the な even necessary there?

>>19924237
in those examples the noun before を is called the direct object and the noun before に is the indirect object
the verb is done to the direct object in the direction of the indirect object, roughly

>>19924273
i think it's necessary, and google search results for エッチなこと vs エッチこと (both quantity and the sites the results are on) seem to agree
you leave it off if you say これはエッチ though

>>19924258
I dont know.
I have over 300 new cards from my school and I need only certain ones for a test.

I used to train on anki daily and use the kanji i trained that day to make a few short stories, you guys have no idea how much it improved my recollection and writing, wish there was a extension for exactly that but i know 0 programming.

>>19924260
Yeah, in conversational I even hear particles omitted when they're blatantly obvious. Japanese grammar is pretty damn forgiving to work with. Try not to stress to badly on rules. Pay attention to them, but over analyzing them will just slow you down.

Shit like
>今エッチして？！
"Kyon, are you fuckin your little sister right now!?!?"

can work given the right context despite missing key grammatical elements. Imagine Haruhi banging loudly on Kyon's locked door and yelling from the outside.

>>19924308
why haven't you googled the keyword provided to you so that you can confirm whether or not it does what you want? but yea, browsing decks/cards, highlighting a card, reschedule, place in review queue is what you're looking for. inconsiderate asshole.

>>19924319
whattt i wasn't being inconsiderate .___.
im sorry if i came off that way anon (.__. )
thank u <3

>>19924316
i love how your examples are always about burying your dick into something, good stuff mate.

>>19924314
That works for me too. I've been writing little short stories in my notes, then when I read back through them in a few days I instantly know everything.

>>19924314
sounds like a good idea, care to share some of those short stories?

* crickets *

>>19924254
名無殿、冗談だけでした

what's the best source for let's say top 1-2k words i Japanese by how common they are?
besides the shitty 2k deck

>>19924435
thats nukemarine?

>>19924442
yes

>>19924435
you've been asking this question for at least a few days, if not a week. search for vncore.

Ancient cave scribbles of an autist

I've been learning japanese for about 1 year, for now, I would say that my japanese skills are somewhere between N4 and N3 (i will be taking N4 in the end of this year). As I don't have much contact with reading japanese on a daily basis, I decided to challenge myself and try to read a book. Is this too early to try? Are my japanese skills enough?

>>19924435
just do rtk

>>19924435
>12+ years avid full time student
>not as good as some 3 year students
just try to avoid whatever he did

>>19924495
Literally anyone could surpass Nuke in 1 year if they read and listened for 2 hours a day each.

>>19924495
>>19924500
What he needs is context.
If he went to Japan he would learn great.


Hes living in sunk cost fallacy. Something we allget when studying Japanese. I have failed. I studied for 4 years and I don't know shit.

>>19924489
can you believe reddit thinks it's n-anything when it's never read real japanese before

>>19924495
He hung out in chat rooms, forums, and threads (ahem) talking about learning more than actually learning.

I've heard 新たな instead of 新しい a lot
Are alternate form of adjectives common?

>>19924518
yes

You don't have to be able to read light novels or understand most SoL anime to pass N1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5t37q1neC4

>>19923385
My personal list goes:
Daijirin > Daijisen > Nihon Kokugo Daijiten > Kojien.

For the mid size ones
Meikyou > Sanseido kokugo jiten > Shinmeikai > Iwanami kokugo jiten > Obunsha kokugo jiten.

how am I doing

>>19924533
Please stop posting videos from matt here and thank you

Never

>>19924518
I read that they have slightly different meanings
新しい = generic "new"
新たな = "renewed"—something old is gone and now you have a new one of it—new job, new task, new Japan, etc

>>19924606
vocab or kanji cards

>>19924624
just a generic kanji grid from an anki addon
but I'm 80% done with Core 10k

>>19924625
after what time?

>>19924625
you don't actually know these kanji though, if you haven't gone through RTK

>>19924645
~8 months

>>19924660
I did first

>>19924667
do you read a lot on the side?

>>19924667
over 30 words a day? how long does that take you to review?

>>19924683
yes but at a slog. been trying to get through mishima

>>19924704
about an hour to an hour and a half

>>19921245
He doesn't even pronounce anime correctly. I'm convinced this language is impossible to learn. I have yet to see a gaijin do it. A Japanese native like Nobita can master English, but if Japanese wasn't your first language then you will never be able to speak or understand it properly because of the limited number of sounds and everything slurs together with no distinction.

Hello new friends, I just finished half of the hiragana table! learning japanese is fun.

>>19924812
BURAKKU PIPORU

>>19924242
Have you considered doing something that's not completely retarded

帰れっつって

what the つ doing here??

How many hours of passive listening is equivalent to 1 hour of active listening?

5 or more?

>>19924887
Add up all the little moments where it accidentally becomes active listening.

>>19924812
Those stop being a problem if you listen to and speak the language on a regular basis. There are these things called 'intonation' and 'context', and japanese relies on them a lot more than many other languages. You'll only learn those through experience.

>>19924880
っつって is と言って

I'm a retard and I can't figure out how Anki works. I'm trying to install the kanji colorizer and it seems to work when I edit the card but it won't show up on the card itself. Any help?

>>19924887
depends how many hours it takes you to get to an hour of accidentally paying attention for 30 seconds at a time
just do more active listening

>>19924975
That's why I asked. I fucking hate passive listening so I just tossed in an extra hour of active to compensate for it.

>>19923481
Works for N*ke. Fucker has 100 patrons.

>>19924977
if you consider also that those little bits of accidental active listening are out of context and thus less likely to be comprehensible, an hour probably compensates for at least twenty hours of passive bullshit

>>19924961
thanks

>>19924887
Zero if it's not comprehensible. Your brain just treats it as white noise. If you sentence mined an anime, then use that audio.

>>19925017
the thought of looping a selection of sentences for hours sounds even more mind-numbing than looping actual media for hours

>>19924962
do people really study kanji like this?

>>19924887
consider how slowly you learnt watching English subbed anime all those years which is like half-active listening and then multiply that by zero

>>19925080
remember the more information you put on the card the more you take advantage of the patented magic of srs to absorb all of it

>>19925031
Anon didn't ask if passive immersion was fun. He asked how much would be as effective as active listening.

Passive immersion if it's not comprehensible audio is useless. Until you're fluent, everything in Japanese in pretty much incomprehensible when listened to passively except for shit you already studied.

If anon can't handle that on loop, then he should get with the fucking program and watch anime for at least two hours everyday and not try to lazy his way out it.

>>19925112
he already said what he was asking so you don't have to assume incorrectly

Does this mean I have mastered Japanese?

>>19925178
今日も　一日　がんばる　ぞい。

>>19925178
ぞい

Didn't bother too much with building the castle

>>19925276
why do you always spy on people

This Japanese is a bit weird

>>19925343
What will you do now? Is there some kind of new game plus?

>tfw you start playing in japanese

>>19925349
There's some free build style thing that also has some online stuff to it but I don't think I'll bother with that as it doesn't seem like it has any NPCs or story to it. I could also go back to any of the earlier towns and go do some challenges/secrets that I missed but fuck that

How would you read that name?

>>19925415
ヒメ姉

>>19925415
さ
じ
げ
ね
え

How would your read this name?

>>19925446
nice font rendering faggot.

>>19925451
Suck my dick

>>19925415
>he doesn't even pronounce anime correctly
in english or japanese? nobody pronounces anime in real life like the way it's said in japanese

>>19925463
scots do, kinda

>>19925495
what i should have said is nobody changes the way they said anime because of anime

>>19925552
this is something a lot of new language learners don't get: when speaking english you still say loanwords like people who don't know japanese say them unless you want to sound pretentious, it's just the way it works
you can show off that you actually know japanese if for some reason you use a word that isn't integrated into mainstream english or a subculture

>>19925276
I googled the filename and found this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqB-EMqpsUA

>>19925587
it's now an english word. they want me to say macudonarudo, so they at least can say anime.

>>19925637
most nihonjin are physically incapable of pronouncing an english word in english so it's not very fair to use them as an example

>>19925621
Remember not to give kids cameras. Oh shit, theyr'e in phones now, just don't have kids.

>>19924962
You need to add it on this screen. Put {{Diagram}} somewhere on the back and it should show up.

Alternatively you can get the KanjiStrokeOrder font and use that instead. I like it because it is more flexible and I can have whole words or phrases with the stroke order.