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>>1992167

Shiki could kill Familiars.

Therefore, they'd dissipate as their bodies die.

But Shiki cannot kill the concept of their heroic spirits without brain popping.

Also, any Servant, straight down to Gilgamesh and Assassin, are faster and better than Shiki at melee combat.

>>1992175
That picture...
That scene in UBW made me hate Gil with a passion.

>>1992175
Wy can't people accept the facts that in some cases Shiki won't be able tp see their death, when it happened in FUCKING TSUKIHIME?

>>1992182

Shiki's power grows. Satsujinki is a canon proof of that.

>>1992165

in theory, EVERYONE can kill Servants.
Just need a proper weapon or artifact even a non-magus can use.

But that's like saying a random guy with a knife killing Bruce Lee, or beating a tank with a pistol.

>>1992185

I believe he means "kill" as in Kill.
You know, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception.

>>1992184
Grows or not, there are things that do not carry the concept eitherway.
And canon is not a good word to use(since he appears in one single sidestory with no real extent of what he can do)

>>1992188
I know, but since it's a fact that Tsukihime's Shiki cannot, I played on the choice of words.

>>1992191

Everything has a concept. Even Types could be killed.

>>1992184
>Satsujinki
>canon
O U

>>1992194

It's only stated that Shiki cant match up to servants. It was never said tha he cant kill them.

>>1992196
I like how you piss at facts.

Physical Destruction that can be applied to everything is not the same as the Death Shiki sees.

Fuck, Tsukihime explains it clearly enough.
When people cannot comprehend the basic work, these arguments become very silly.

>>1992197

It' true. Nasu wrote it so its canon.

>>1992167

UBW Shirou successfully went toe-to-toe with the physically weakest Servant (minus Avenger).

I doubt Shiki can match any Servant's prowess.

Kill his swords all you want, there's Infinite.
Therefore Shiki's head will pop eventually.


... But that's only UBW Shirou. Fate Shirou would get fuckowned.

>>1992201
In what published material does he appear?

No, just .... no

>>1992204

They're all the same shit.

>>1992205
Kagetsu Tohya sidestory.

>>1992203
Nasu said:'Shiki will most probably win before his brain pops'.

>>1992198
MOST humans cannot match up to a legendary hero.
His eyes have no effect on them was the point.
If they had a HUMAN body, like Gil, they would.
The point is their substance.

>>1992208
It's fuckers like you who either try to troll or just are fucking stupid.
Or both/

trolls trolling trolls

>>1992210

>Nasu said:'Shiki will most probably win before his brain pops'.

Did he explicitly state which Shirou?

I will dodge the Word of God as much as it takes.

>>1992214
Fate Shirou for sure, and UBW cause they are a bad match (UBW shirou was called a 'gatling type', aka win througn numbers and firepower, which against SHiki is not effective)
HF shirou is not included.

Also, Shirou is considered UNABLE to do something like tracing and using Excalibur beamspam(far too advanced the way he is at that moment)

>>1992211

Butthurt Shiroufag.

i thought you guy would have learned your lesson by now. for shame /jp/

>>1992222
Er, this had nothing to do with Shirou VS Shiki.
It has to do with a guy stating his shit as facts for no real reason than to troll.

>>1992214

DA Shiki would own every version of Shirou.

>>1992224

/jp/ loves reposts of reposts of reposts of reposts of reposts of reposts of reposts of reposts of reposts of reposts of reposts

>>1992220

>Also, Shirou is considered UNABLE to do something like tracing and using Excalibur beamspam(far too advanced the way he is at that moment)

Well, not Mr. Not Included because he's fucking Noble Phantasming all over the fucking place.

posting more of a great troll in a troll thread

Okay, because of multiple Shirous and Shiki at various stages of development and whatnot, lets ask this instead: Archer vs. Satsujinki

>>1992234

A Greater Troll was here just the other day.

All the warriors engaged him, to no avail.

>>1992168

"The best thing about beating up a dead horse isnt the reposted arguements, it's telling everyone online that i did it.

>>1992237
There is no real reason to assume Satsujinki's body is that more capable then Shiki's.
So, we can assume he fights smarter.

How does THAT affect a VS match?
You tell me.

>>1992237

There's still a few versions of Archer.

Servant Archer (Tohsaka), Servant Archer (Caster), Servant Archer (Independent Action), and the considerably more powerful Counter Guardian EMIYA.

>>1992238
i dont seem to have that kohaku picture. would someone please care to post it?

>>1992238

It's not trolling if everyone replies seriously

>>1992248

>>1992246
Goddammit. Its almost as though you can't get a good comparison between the two because situation is more important than power levels. BUT THAT NEVER STOPPED US BEFORE!

>>1992246

Shiki wont lose in sheer numbers. There's normal Shiki, Nanaya Shiki, Brainwashed Tohno Shiki, Nanaya (Kagetsu ver), Satsujinki, DA Shiki etc

Without plot armor Shiki is weaker than his maids.
Kill servants ?
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>1992253

We'll use the two easiest.

Servant Archer (Tohsaka) and Counter Guardian EMIYA.
Satsujinki against Archer... Doubtfully goes to Archer, if he goes UBW or happily throws out Broken Phantasms. Satsujinki has proven himself capable of killing more abstract things (vampire forest?), but Servants are fucking fast.
Satsujinki vs. Counter Guardian EMIYA? Honestly? You need me to type this? Counter Guardians are MADE to kill humans with perfect efficiency. MASSIVE victory for EMIYA.

>>1992256
...Battle capabilities, since they are instinctual and a result of GENERATIONS OF INBREEDING are the same for all.

Excluding the barely canon, unconfirmed citcumstanced future version Satsujink who we have no fucking idea about.

>>1992260
How is a vampire forest ABSTRACT?
Threes wither, vampires rot without blood, a vampire forest will withrot or something.

Kidding aside, you have no fucking idea what ABSTRACT is about.,

>>1992270

It's ranked as a Dead Apostle Ancestor. ALL of them are abstract.

Top 10 DAA >>>> Servants. You cant prove me wrong.

>>1992270
>>1992274

It's also a Phantasmal Beast.

>>1992274
...Fucking idiots.

>>1992283

All these powerlevels contests are useless, Zelritch can hax his way out of anything.

>>1992283

It's a fucking strange existence that humans can't grasp.
You can reduce it to "vampire forest", sure, but you can reduce Servants to "hero familiars", and you can reduce a Reality Marble to a "mental image".
The Mystic Eyes of Death Perception do not accept "reductions", they must understand the entire existence of an item and read the DEATH of it.

>>1992286

I bet Shiki can kill Zelretch.

Anonymous can kill Shiki.

If he ceases to exist in the minds of anonymous, then he is no different from being dead. That is how weak he and his existence is.

But of course, that appears to be a futile dream. At least until we're all dead anyway.

>Shiki vs. Shirou
>"If powers are at max and we ignore the point of self-destruction caused from overflow then Shiki will win. No matter how much Shirou makes swords, Shiki will keep 'killing' them. It's a different story if it's possible to use a 'Mana Burst' like Excalibur."

>Problem points:
>1. Most probably referring to Archer-Arm Shirou but it could just as well be UBW Shirou. In either case if we ignore the fact that both of these people aren't going to have a future left after the fight, then Shiki wins. UBW Shirou is more of a gatling gun type anyway so that would be more appropriate for a killing one after the other.
2. Killing a Noble Phantasm, even a traced one, will cause problems apparently. "Self-destruction due to overflow" in the case of Shiki could either mean the amount he has to deal with or the nature of Noble Phantasms (even traced) or a combination of both.
3. Interpretation of last line by some is that Shiki can't kill Excalibur. Interpretation by others is that Shiki can't do anything about an energy blast."

Toastan in a troll bread.

>>1992285

>>1992292

Word of God. Take that Shiroufags.

God damn it's the same fucking thread over and over. By now you'd think everyone here should be tired of this shit.

Inb4 loli troll u!

Why would anyone care if this character can kill another character?

OH THAT'S RIGHT: Type-Moon faggots = shonen fighting faggots.

Why would anyone care if this character can kill another character?

OH THAT'S RIGHT: Type-Moon faggots = shonen fighting faggots.

>>1992298

Obviously point 2.

Heaven's Feel Shirou could even do something CRRrRRRAAaaAAAaZZZzZZYyyYY like use Rule Breaker to kill Shiki's Mystic Eyes.

>>1992302
>>1992306

lol i troll u!

>>1992311

Enjoy getting dissected in 17 pieces.

>>1992306
I doubt most people here do it for any other reason then shitstorming...
Since only a couple of posts here do not run under complete speculation or denial of facts.

>>1992328

Funny that you've said that since most of the TM threads eventually turns into power level threads.

>>1992318
And being raped while dead.

>>1992334
For every discussion, there is one particular question or comment which utter destroys any progress and growth within a thread.

If we were to treat a discussion as a tangible entity, the lines of the discussion are specific comments or messages which damage the topic at hand. However, that is not enough to destroy the discussion. A dot, however, would represent a question or comment, which when unleashed, eventually derails and utterly destroys any possible progress within that discussion.

For a Tsukihime descussion, a dot would represent the introduction of a powerlevel question. Due to the nature of Type-Moon fans, eventually one or more will respond, thus creating a cascading torrent of stupid which eventually destroys the topic at hand.

>>1992339

... you lost me.

>>1992334
I believe the ones who properly read the fucking thing avoid these threads.
Since you can't correct them(they won't accept it) and there will always be a troll, it's pointless.

Dunno if all the TM threads are abpout powerlevels, but the fact that the same debate with the exact same quotes repeats itself means it's the same fuckers(trolls or plain idiots)

How about you all shut the fuck up and post more pictures?

>>1992359

>>1992311
Do you even know what Rule Breaker does?