/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I MISSED YOU GUYS

>>19910198
>16:17:20
>16:17:46
ハ、ハヤい！

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4I7orCCFOo

is it easier to properly speak Japanese by singing because of all the alternations n shit that are used in songs to change sounds so you don't have to worry about pitch accent?

>>19910103
i used to do 1 hour of anki and 2 hours of reading but i noticed reading doesn't help me remember words initially. i remember stuff better by trying to memorize it in anki and then encountering it while reading. i'll change up the ratio in 6 months.

>>19910210
Yes anon, when you go to japan for the first time it's best to sing to people rather than speak normally otherwise people might not understand you.

yosh time to cram anki all day long to get myself into a state of temporary fluency

>>19910210
It's not just japanese, I also find english a bit easier to pronounce when I'm singing for some reason

よし、リック＆モティやCode Lyoko、ゲーム●オブ●スーロンズばど見ながら日本語を勉強しない時だぜ！

I've installed the Google IME and after it was done downloading nothing is happening. Wat do?

i learned はず in dojg today then i heard someone say it in an anime and i enabled subtitles and it said "you should know" and i felt happy

I just started yesterday and have powered through Hiragana. I can ace a Hiragana flashcard test no problem, but when it comes to writing or visualizing the Hiragana from memory, I draw a blank. Should I spend more time on Hiragana where I can visualize the Hiragana without flash cards before moving on to Katakana? Or will I get better at it the more I practice/read?

Sorry for the basic bitch question, I know most of you are light-years ahead of me. Just want to make sure I don't mess up.

>>19910215
>社員プラズマ
わかりません。。。

>>19910215
not him, but 2 hours of anki burned me out after a couple of months and cut into my reading/listening, good luck holding out for 6 months
in any case it's good that you're not slacking on the listening

>>19910329
Spend less time on kana and more time on Kanji.

Simple fact is Kana are worthless except as a means to spell out the back side of your flashcards.

>>19910333
i have nostalgia for this game even though i'd probably think it's trash if i played today.

>>19910329
Do you have a need to be able to recall hiragana without seeing it on paper, or a need to write hiragana, right now at this moment? That's your answer.

>>19910323
install it.

>>19910357
I said downloading because when you launch the installer that's what it says it's doing.

>>19910329
you will get a bit better at recalling hiragana from memory through pure exposure but you wont be good enough at it to write without actually practicing recall (which can be done with cards as well if you want)
it has (almost) no effect on your ability to read (knowing strokes can help with reading handwriting and strange fonts though) and it can always be practiced later, you can't mess up

>>19910380
I was talking about a decent operating system, linux.

>>19910342
If your vocab is at an intermediate+ level and you can handle lots of kana-only words, it's actually not terrible since it's fairly text-heavy for something this side of Final Fantasy.

The grammar doesn't really do anything spectacular. Might throw you for all of 5 minutes if you're not used to ぬ・ず endings, negative volitional, and dialectical honorifics. Game has like 100 different kanji in it tops due to shitty font resolution which is why I stress a decent grasp of vocab.

>>19910339
anki is the part of the "learning" i look forward to the most. i'd rather do 3 hours of anki and cut out reading altogether but i force myself to do reading because i hear it's so important.

>>19910225
You’re supposed to finish not just cram.

>>19910333
>>19910401
What game is this? Amazing sprites.

>>19910447
黄金の太陽

この文法が分かれれば、全部のゲームが分かれる。

「でもでも！　たまーに、あたしの方が先に起きることだってあるよね」
what does 方 mean here

>>19910526
It means "read tyler kim"

>>19910526
Xの方がY
勉強しろ

>>19910409
>>19908072

>>19910561
No one's that dumb, tone it down.

>>19910720
what am i toning down, not trying to fool anybody i just like the words "state of temporary fluency"

help me, contrary to what my mind would hint me, I actually enjoy reading more than watching

>>19910787
Then read rather than watching. Enjoyment is the key.

should I go thru Imabi after having gone thru Tae Kim some months ago and feeling pretty accustomed to the ideas shown in it?

>>19910803
since you are talking about enjoyement - I'm going out of space on my 2TB external disk and I'd like to extract audio from the films that I've seen
should I only extract it from things that I'm interested in or would it be more optimal to get not-so-interesting stuff too for sake of variety?
audio would be used for the 'passive listening' meme

>>19910817
I hope you just modified a reddit post.

>>19910830
no, why is this idea so terrible? I sometimes walk somewhere and listen to stuff or while I'm jogging

>>19910844
聞くのは読みじゃないから。

>>19910817
>'passive listening'
If you watched 1000 hours of subbed anime before starting to learn Japanese you don't need it.

Only active listening has any merit at that point.

relating this to Tae Kim's grammar - what kind of grammar is this? I get it that it's the で particle used with the topic は but Tae Kim used that for places being a topic
I don't see how that で apply to what's before it? is this some shortcut of some other grammar?

>>19910903

>>19910447
Golden Sun.

>>19910903
>>19910910
Just read more.

What's currently your favourite kanji? For me it's 夕

>>19910982
幽

>>19910903
で = with/by means of
ではない =regarding the means, without

It's the reason why you can say things like 人気ではない, you're simply describing "how" 人気　applies (in this case it de-wa DOESN'T)。It's a cumbersome ass workaround for a lack of a "true" negative.


偽札 is literally described here as a "without-being-a-genuine-article お札."

>>19910982
舞、夢、茶、and ヰ are my favorites right now

>>19910982
囁

>>19910982
警

>>19910903
if it helps from having watched anime, じゃない is a colloquial shortening of ではない

>>19911002
thank you! you are the best!

Someone please link to the VN ln core deck that doesn't have readings on the front

>>19911052
i didn't notice that but i think it's more useful to know that the stroke order matches the stroke order of what follows: horizontal before vertical if the inside has horizontal before vertical and vice versa

どこに日本語の字幕で映画を探せる？
日本語を聞き読むのがいい練習ね

>>19911148
why are you so inept

>>19911177
I just got permanently crippled

>>19911201
why did you feel the need to tell me this?

maybe he can't fucking stand a bunch of dekinai typing in broken japanese to other dekinai

>>19911204
It's your fault. I'm going to be using particles incorrectly for the rest of my life now.

>>19911177
>読む
>聞く
１個だけを選ぶ

>>19911218
why are you on a thread for practicing japanese if you clearly are fluent?

>>19911226
This isn't a thread for practicing Japanese, it's for looking down on people who are at a slightly lower level than you.

>>19911226
if he was fluent his japanese couldn't be damaged
stop hurting beginners so you can practice damaging yourself

>>19911220
両方同時にしていることの形だった。正確でしょう。～ながらとか同じ意味。

>>19911259
It's not that big a deal, and instead of offering a helpful correction you freaked out for no reason like the world was ending. That doesn't create a very nice environment for learning, and only shows your own faults as a person. It is quite a sad sight.

>>19911274
It's a recurring joke and you're a moron for taking it seriously.

If you spend 5 seconds on each card you can do core 10k in about 14 hours

>>19911274
no one here knows japanese so they can't help you we're just trying to protect ourselves
of course you don't think it's a big deal you're over here trying to practice japanese with foreign beginners as if there's any way that could possibly be a good idea
we're not the same person

>>19911286
don't bully people
that's not a good joke

internet fight time

>>19911148
>>/jp/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=vn+core

New video from matt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjapSF94eCc

>>19911274
If you seek a nice environment for learning you'd be better looking at another communities. Just bear in mind that the more nice it is, the less effective it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apphb7N5sBs

こんにちはアルフォーンでーす
今日の喧嘩にとって何にしようかな

>>19911343
This is beyond cringy
>1.7m subs
jeesus.

>>19911350
ひらがなだけつくってください

>>19911373

>>19911404
she looks russian

>>19911407
Maybe on krokodil

>>19911404
>cock overload

Guys help me with these moonscribbles

what a suck ass lookin video game lmao

>>19911693
start: look around
r3: reset camera [kamera risetto]

>>19911339
>Just bear in mind that the more nice it is, the less effective it is.
that's not true though. Being a bully and offering nothing other than an insult is not more effective than a helpful correction.

you're talking about ideal advice and he's talking about which communities are more likely to give you that kind of advice.

>>19911836
thanks man now I can continue playing my game.

>>19911856
It is because it motivates you to go and read something instead of stroking each other's egos in the community

今晩は.
皆さん,何を読んでいますか?
それで難しいんですか?

>>19911874
テロップ

>>19911856
You just shouldn't produce at that level though. I'm not gonna give someone helpful advice on how to strike a match when they're trying to set themselves on fire.

>>19911959
>You just shouldn't produce at that level though
>you shouldn't ever try
Friend, you should always try to "produce" because that's one of the only ways you are going to get results, as far as writing/speaking goes.
This is the same reason japanese people rarely can speak english despite taking it in school; their system moves from one to the other, from grammar to writing to listening, ect. without any form of integration. Integrated learning is perhaps the best way to learn a new language, and you are severely hindering yourself if you think you will wait before you "produce".

so what's the best beginner Anki deck based on how common its words are?

are you the dude who keeps asking for vncore even though you can easily find it in the archives

>>19911997
no, I'm not but I understand that I may sound like him

>>19911984
>This is the same reason japanese people rarely can speak english despite taking it in school
because they don't get enough input

anyone got mangacore

>>19911874
キノの旅を読んでいる
今第一巻の半分ぐらい読み切ってた
思ったより読みやすい、とても楽しいんだ

>>19911984
I've never produced but I can see the errors in his post from reading a lot, so it seems to be working fine. His production is at best a waste of time and I've talked to enough cab drivers to be believe people who claim you can teach yourself broken grammar by producing before you really understand it.

>>19912039
>but I can see the errors in his post from reading a lot
so why don't you throw the correction in, if you already have taken the time to criticize him? It literally would quash your criticism if he corrected himself from your advice. Why choose to be an asshole when you can choose to be helpful in a thread dedicated to helping each other?

what djt thinks of picrel?

why enable his shitty approach to learning japanese instead of just making fun of and discouraging him?

>>19912092
Bottom left claimed.

>>19912098
what I'm reading from this is that your japanese is actually pretty weak and you like to feel better by criticizing other people while lacking the knowledge to truly correct the errors you claim.

>>19911984
That's fucking bullshit. I had French for 8 years starting age 10, I had no trouble passing my tests but I couldn't understand nor write shit and forgot literally everything just a few months after graduating.

I'm about 5 months into Japanese right now and it's already better than my French has ever been and all I've been doing is watching anime and reading stuff.

Why do beginners love を so much that they need to fucking wedge it in everywhere possible.

>>19912100
>not going for the tomboy
Your loss.

>>19912092
depends, are you paying for it?

>>19912123
I was seriously considering it at first but then I thought about it and they seem like they belong in some White Album 2 clone where Brown starts off best girl and then takes a nose dive resulting in Black becoming best girl and winning.

https://twitter.com/burankozuki
>tfw you'll never have such strong passion

>>19912131
its free

>>19912119
do you just not use partciles or what buddy? Do you think that's cool, because it's not right.

https://youtu.be/J_EQDtpYSNM
What do you guys think of this video? He managed to reach N1 fluency with this method, but I'm skeptical this might be easier for people living in a foreign country where input is easily accessible.

ゆっくりしっていてね！

>>19912251
tirunogayukkurisisugitteyo

>>19912250
You haven't been on DJT for a while now I assume.

>>19912314
Nah, I used to browse /int/'s DJT but I stopped reviewing my cards a few weeks ago and I haven't visited out of shame.

>>19912335
We've been preaching INPUT for over a year now.

also
>easily accessible
How the fuck is it not accessible, you have over 10000 hours of anime, manga, VNs, LNs, WNs, Jap TV at your firgertips. How is it "not accessible"

>>19912250
Waste of 14 minutes that amounts to "read and listen more" but it's actually harmful because it kinda propagates that absurdly lazy idea that looking words/grammar up doesn't speed up learning and you should just sit and let your brain learn automatically.

I haven't watched it in a week or whenever it was uploaded but does he actually ever say that you shouldn't look up anything or is that you interpreting it?

>>19912378
no, he does say that textbook can help but have a limited role

あい

I said you hello oniityan.

>>19910327
お前は自殺したはずだけど

>>19912348
>We've been preaching INPUT for over a year now.
/djt/ newest meme I see

>>19912378
I did say "kinda". He showed that clip of Kaufmann saying how looking up "get" is useless because it'll have 8 or 9 definitions. That's harmful because the average
retard watching that will think "better not look shit up then" instead of "I'll use context to decide which meaning is being used in what I'm reading and only learn that single one for now".
And then the guy goes on to say that if you look up everything you'll take "about half an hour to get through one page" but for the same amount of time TV "blast you with far more of the language". That necessarily implies that passive learning > active learning. Which is lazy thinking. It's not like you can't look up something, try to remember the spirit of the definition, and still let your brain process the information passively after that.

What a dumb post.

>>19912448
Yeah I'm not reading this post, 3 decides what I read next.

>>19912448
He never said that, he has an entire section where he talks about study.

>>19911874
りぶねす、と同時に、ましろい色シンフォニー
>それで難しいんですか?
俺にはちょっと難しい

Any mention of coughm*n, m*tt, nu*ine, y*nts or any other eceleb should be punishable by permaban and instant post deletion.

Aside from pokémon, what are some good and easy games to play while reading? Would prefer DS games.

>>19912526
素晴らしき日々

Based hay fever making it harder for me to study.

What are you, hay?

>>19912526
イージーなゲーム

あたしもさがしてるんだけど

えいごのやつのほうが

おもしろかったりする

we could make stuff out of clay

Sigh you ever feel like even though you hit your "minimum study hours", you could read more but it's just so gay you don't want to?

>>19912651
yes every day
also
>studying for more than 10 minutes a day
quick way to burn out

単語 IS TOO FUCKING 多い!

im ready for another great day

>>19912665
>Studying for no more than 10 minutes a day
If you're goal is to not learn Japanese, it'd be easier to just not "study" at all.

>>19912675
from personal experience, the human brain can only learn 2 words a day anyways. ten minutes is plenty

steve says you should try to learn 100 a day and that although you'll inevitably forget most of them you'll still increase your XP bar in them until one day that one word you keep forgetting just clicks and it levels up and you know that word better than you did before

Don't forget to sleep enough so you can learn Japanese more efficiently

looks like it's back to straw mats in cramped spaces

>>19912683
>imagine being this much of a brainlet

i miss being the rtk guy but now i'm just another reading and listening guy

>>19912526
にほんのゲームってすくない

チャイナとコリアのゲームは

いっぱいある

>日本語の練習したい
>でも大学の勉強やらなきゃので出来ない
>大学の勉強やりたくない
大学を辞めようか

>>19912526
Pretty much any first-party Nintendo stuff is a safe bet, since they usually have spaced text and (at least on 3DS) furigana in all their shit.

>>19912689
He means to say you should try to encounter 100 new words a day, he equates creating a lingq to learning.

Vocaloid is listening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvrv1YZWjRY

I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel a little bit special.

>>19912839
I really don't understand why anglos have such a hard time with japanese, it's one of the simplest languages to exist. Barely any irregularities, simple grammar, lots of loanwords, easy pronunciation, I don't see what could confuse ameritards to the point they'd find arabic or chinese easier

>>19912862
Do you know Japanese?

>>19912866
No.

>>19912862
I think this chart would look similar/identical for any of the romance/germanic languages, and similar for all indo-European languages, because those languages don't really have any advantages that make Japanese comprehension easier. Maybe you could argue a language like Spanish makes accent better but that's ultimately trivial.

>>19912871
Do romance/germanic languages have any advantages that make Mandarin comprehension easier?

>>19912869
You should refrain from expressing opinions based on Wikipedia summaries then.

ちゅうごくでは

北京語・広東語・上海語・台湾語があって

むずかしいなあとおもう

あとチベットはちゅうごくじゃないとおもう

>>19912953
You should refrain from posting.

>>19912862
Umm, because it's new words, in new order, in new interpretations combined with a new writing system. The process to learn it is simple, but getting your brain to understand it fluently (comprehension not translation) takes thousands of hours of immersion.

So stop whacking off to how simple Japanese is and start watching raw anime.

Another good day of learning Japanese

Built a house for me and the two female NPCs above the inn where everyone else sleeps

What LNs do you girls recommend?

>>19913027
How do I unsubscribe to your shitty gamelog?

>>19913032
人類は衰退しました

>>19913037
おもしろい？

あたしはおすすめしてない

>>19913043
知るかよお前のススメなんぞ

>>19913027
what is that game
it seems cool

>>19912359
>harmful because it kinda propagates that absurdly lazy idea that looking words/grammar up doesn't speed up learning and you should just sit and let your brain learn automatically.
how much looking up words and grammar did you do in your native language at four years old just curious

>>19913019
>new words
So you're telling me that different languages use different words? No fucking way dude, you should write a paper or something.
>in new order
Mandarin does this too. So do thousands of other languages.
>in new interpretations
I don't even know what you mean by this. "Different languages as interpreted differently"? I guess you were desperate to come up with more meaningless gobbledygook to add to your meaningless post.
>new writing system
If you ignore the diversity of kanji Japanese is far from having the hardest writing system, in fact I would argue it is pretty simple, at least compared to something like Arabic.
>The process to learn it is simple, but getting your brain to understand it fluently (comprehension not translation) takes thousands of hours of immersion.
Here's my interpretation of this one: "Learning Japanese is easy but actually it's not cause matt said you have to masturbate to doujin a lot". You sure write some rich stuff, but I think you're buying too much into that AJATT trash my friend. Try reading some real books made by real linguists instead of a bald shut-in who pisses in jugs next time.

>>19912448
>That necessarily implies that passive learning > active learning.
thats not what passive learning means but youre right that comprehensibility is important but youre wrong to assume that that none of it will be comprehensible
looking shit up is alright but dont overdo it and its not as important as you think

>>19913063
>Try reading some real books made by real linguists

Found that moron that studies Japanese but never learns it.

>>19913019
>in new interpretations
the only way i can guess what you meant by this is if i assume that you're taking dictionary translations at face value and then discovering you were wrong and "correcting" the meaning
have you tried learning japanese instead of learning en->jp

>>19913063
>Mandarin does this too.
yea but sentence structure differs more drastically between japanese and english than mandarin and english.
>If you ignore the diversity of kanji
why would you ignore this?
>at least compared to something like Arabic.
arabic only has 28 characters though

>>19913035
It's pretty easy, I'm sure you can figure it out

>>19913053
Dragon Quest Builders

>>19913095
>arabic only has 28 characters though
do you have a clue why arabic is hard to read or are we just having a competition of quantity here

>>19913106
>do you have a clue why arabic is hard
no. why is it hard to read?

>>19913109
Why did you even try to enter this discussion if you have no superficial idea of what the fuck you're talking about you mongrel retard

>>19913117
i was correcting some really stupid statements you made about sentence order and how japanese isn't the hardest writing system if "you remove the hard part of it"

>>19913109
in most arabic languages writing vowels is optional (and rare) and you fill them in mentally from being fluent already

>>19913063
>mandarin
>grammar
Holy fucking 草

>>19913132
You sure did post 3 disconnected sentences that in fact mean absolutely fuck all, one of which you just admitted being wrong about because you're a faggot retard who doesn't know what he's talking about, and one of which is a fucking question, but I don't know if I could call that a proper "correction".

>>19913143
your statements were wrong and stupid and i corrected them. i guess that means fuck all since the topic is unimportant.
>which you just admitted being wrong about
what was i wrong about?

>Japanese is hard, probably one of the hardest for English natives
>How dare you think so, retard
>Fuck you
>FUCK YOOUUU
You're both going to lose your tendy points w

>>19913161
Again with the questions, I don't know if you're trying to set up a strawman or something but you sure are lazy with your arguments, makes me wonder if you're genuinely mentally impaired or if this is all on purpose. At any rate I have no idea what you're trying to defend here by making a pitiful attempt at refuting me. Maybe you're trying to compensate for your lack of Japanese skill by continuing to live your fantasy that Japanese is indeed one of the hardest meaniest languages in the world and you're such a big boy for even trying to learn it.

>>19913193
you're really aggressive for some reason. all i did was make a couple corrections, assert that arab has few characters, and then ask why it was hard to read. calm down.

>>19913193
are you the tofel guy?

>>19913199
The problem here is that you did not correct shit, you flailed your arms around like a retarded 12 year old the entire time by being wrong about something, smugly asking why you're wrong about it and then when someone actually answers you ignoring it and pretending you were actually right all along. The only "argument" you have made this entire time is that Japanese's sentence structure differs more drastically than Mandarin's, which I will also assume to be wrong from my own particular experiences and impressions and also because you have proved to be unreliable by showing your lack of general knowledge required to carry on this discussion in the first place on your first post. Have a good day.

>>19913225
>and then when someone actually answers you ignoring it
i appreciated his post but there wasn't a reason to respond to it.
>and pretending you were actually right all along.
right about what? the difficulty of learning arabic? when did i say it was hard or easy?
>by showing your lack of general knowledge
you think that japanese and mandarin have a similar sentence structure or at least a sentence structure that differ similarly from english, so you're not in a position to judge someone for not knowing something. i still don't understand the hostility. accept that you said something stupid and move on.

does this mean the redditor is gonna leave?

Let's get the discussion back on track.

やってみようよ

うまくいくかもしれない

i fixed your kuso ass shit

>>19913286
Improved version

>>19913319
>don't do RTK
why?

even **** regrets recommending it to beginners

i like challenges so i tried to salvage this garbage

Hi DJT, I hope you are having a good day.

>>19913597
i dont know japanese so i cant say that i am what about you

>>19913604
My retention is improving so I am feeling good.

>>19913302
based

i’m trying an anki build. how many points should i put into listening? not interested in PvP btw

>>19913894
nice try listening isn't that game you faker

>>19913902
just give me the equivalent of GIANT DAD of nihongo

>>19913911
thats pvp and it sure as fuck doesnt involve anki

>>19913476
Kana should take you a month. And you should add Core 2K and Yotsuba to that list.

Within that year, you should have 2K vocab words, Tae Kim, and Vol 1 of Yotsuba done.

Before you start a mining deck btw, I recommend dedicated Kanji study for all 2000 kanji. Through rote memorization. As well as the Anki deck for Tae Kim. You can do all that in a year, and then you'll have basic access to the language which will make reading that much easier. Yotsuba should be your starting platform. The guided vol 1 with the anki decks and vocab lists will prepare you for flying solo with the remaining 11 volumes. From there you can start reading whatever you like.

Core 2K alone will take you a long time, so pace yourself.

>>19913958
>Within that year,
>Vol 1 of Yotsuba done.
no one has ever done it

皆 大丈夫?

>>19913966
Really? Cause I'm about to. I started back in March. I have:

-All Kana mastered.
-1500 vocab from Core 2K
-500 kanji through Obenkyo (about to start a deck)
-Tae Kim read (about to start the deck)
-Chapter 1 of Yotsuba read with relative ease

Basically, my plan for the next bit is to blitz the remaining 500 Core 2K words. Going at 50 a day now to have them done by the start of next month. Then going for a tripple whammy of doing a dedicated Kanji deck to get at least 1000 kanji learnt by Dec (I got 500 already). And the Tae Kim Anki deck done by then too. All the while having all of Yotsuba Vol 1 read and the reading guide done by Dec.

I mean, that'd be 9 mo's in. But I literally started Yotsuba last week, and found it rather easy to read overall.

Also, I think output on that list is too late.

I started with output right from the start. Kanji study should have you writing them again and again, and looking up words in the dictionary that use them.

>>19913992
i can't tell if you're joking and maybe i shouldn't have joked back
if you're serious you've been wasting a lot of time, matt would be proud

>可哀想に。。その栄養が何故もう少しおっぱ。。
Is this a run on sentence or am I not understanding something here?

>>19914016
The sentence cuts off at the last word because of the pillow thrown at his face. If you want to know what it is, look at the girl's chest.

>>19914021
Yeah I know that. I wasn't talking about the end.
I was talking about the part right after 何故. It just seems to suddenly start a new sentence. I can't make sense of it interpreting it as one sentence either. It just seems like they chopped up a few sentences and threw them together arbitrarily.

>>19914049
That is how I see it too.

>>19914049
とちゅうできれてもわかるというか

むしろいいすぎたとき

いいよどめる

ときがある

>>19914049
It's not a new sentence, I don't really understand why you'd think that. What do you think it means?

栄養は

でかぱいとか

ちっぱいの

まくらになってる

I have three months to get to N3 level. Wish me luck.

>>19914111
>What do you think it means?
I don't fucking know

栄養が fucking what? What is 栄養 doing? What's the 何故 doing there? Why does he suddenly start saying もう少し after 何故?
I can sort of "感じる" the meaning but objectively speaking the sentence makes no goddamn sense and is a total mess.

Why don't you explain how the sentence makes perfect sense. Or are you just pretending to know Japanese?

>>19914148
>I can sort of "感じる" the meaning
>objectively speaking the sentence makes no goddamn sense and is a total mess.
It doesn't sound like you can.
She eats a lot, but she's thin. Where are the nutrients from the food going to? Not her breasts. Why? Poor girl.

>>19914160
>She eats a lot, but she's thin. Where are the nutrients from the food going to? Not her breasts. Why? Poor girl.
Yes, I know that's approximately what it means.
Sentence still is a complete mess that doesn't make any grammatical sense, and your interpretation is still pretty arbitrary.

>>19914148
>oh my

は

>oh my God.

のいみでしょ

>栄養がおっ

は

>栄養がおっぱい

になるよ

>>19914148
that nutrition why a little more bre--[asts not go into]

OMGしらべてたら

へんなのヒットしたんだけど

なんでＢＢＱ

>>19914174
It's a perfectly normal sentence.
その栄養は何故もう少しおっぱいに行かないんだろう。。。
Does this make it clearer?

>>19914177
Ok?
You completely ignored the fact that 何故 and もう少し are in there too.

>>19914184
That sentence doesn't make sense.

>>19914193
i half-translated without re-ordering the sentence for your benefit
it's "why [doesn't] a little more of that nutrition [go into your] brea[sts]" where the bracketed parts are implied after the cut-off
be a little bit less defensive and more open-minded if you're asking for help

>>19914192
>>19914198
Makes sense now.
You're right, I got a little too defensive for some reason. Sorry for that.

>>19914190
なぜでしょうてへぺろ
もう文字スープらしいからもっと余計な文字を付けても面白いかもとか感じがある

>>19914222
そんなにも

アメリカはＢＢＱをしたいのですか

やべえな

>>19914228
ここはBBQは珍しくないんだからさ

>なんらかの手品があるんだろうさ。まったくきみたちメイジのすることは、神の敬虔なるしもべたるぼくには理解できないね
I'm having some trouble with the なるしもべたる part of the sentence. How is that parsed and used in relation to that sentence?

>>19914285
なる下僕たる

アメリカではでぶがいっぱいですね

>>19914270
おいしそうとはおもうんだけど

なんか

ざつだな！

ともおもうよ

>>19914295
おまえのおっかさんのマンコはcockでいっぱいですね

>>19914322
亜人発見

>>19914294
thanks

←にほん

アメリカ→

にほんはもれなく

ごはんがつきます

あとグレービーソースっていうのが

ぜんぜんでまわってない

ワキのにおいがする

>億
>憶
>臆
>檍
>おく
yikes!

>>19914390
Welcome to phonetic components, please enjoy your stay.

>>19914393
I hate them!

>>19914429
Why though? A great help in memorising onyomi. They are worth hating when their pronunciation varies, like かく/らく for 各 and derivatives.

ラブコム漫画を読みたい
おすすめは？

>>19914442
絶対霊域を読みなさい

how the fuck do people read japanese that's just hiragana, as you guys seem to love it so much

watasiha romajino houga suki desuyo~~

>>19914464
subvocalize.

>>19914464
if you know japanese it helps you guess what the words you are reading might be

>>19914442
あそびあそばせ

>>19914488
男いないんだけど

>>19914501
男いないからこそ

>>19914504
けどラブコムじゃない

>>19914501
じゃあ男塾

>>>/g/67680865

>>19914514
お前は読みづらいのか？

面白い漫画を見つけた
https://myanimelist.net/manga/59065/Girigiri_Out
読むのは楽しみ

Writing vertically is weird af.

>>19914538
Nice handwriting anon.

>>19914548
anon probably has some chink in him.

>>19914538
>>19914567
Nah I'm 100% chink. My parents are both from China.

>>19914585
Get out lol

>>19914538
looks pretty decent, you should consider importing a handwriting book sometime if you care about it

>>19914585
i had a hunch because i am too and pride myself in maintaining neat legible handwriting.

>>19912359
This is 100% the truth though. Looking up grammar especially should be avoided because English resources rarely explain things adequately and you risk ingraining a false idea of the grammar that will take conscious effort to correct.

>>19914614
>that will take conscious effort to correct.
or ten thousand hours of anime
but i agree otherwise

>>19914533
漫画は読むではない
飲むのだ

>>19914619
Sadly not, there are plenty of highly educated ESLs who have thousands of hours of input in English and still make basic grammatical mistakes. I suspect this is because they read shitty textbooks early in their studies and reinforced false grammar that became so deeply ingrained it was never corrected.

I'm coming from a multiple month break because I was extremely busy

Now I have +1500 cards in Anki, how do I deal with that?
I don't remember any words and Anki just adds all due cards even I pressed again already for like 50 cards.

I think I should just start the deck all over

>>19914642
i know dude you've argued about it for thousands of hours as well

>>19914620
日本語は日本語じゃないんだよ。

>>19914464
Play enough vidya and you get used to it.

Is there a rule to know when some words randomly take on "p" sounds, for example 発表 being はっぴょう when 表 is normally pronounced ひょう, or do you have to memorize it on a word-by-word basis?

>>19914744
it's called rendaku, there are patterns and there are exceptions, you have to memorize it on a word-by-word basis

>>19914744
Yes, it's called "learn each word"

Eventually you will get a sense for it but there will always be exceptions. For the most part, it comes down to "which would be easiest to say" and you may be able to guess using that logic. Example, saying はつひょう is really a pain in the ass, or ちょうおんは, or しゅつはつ (ok maybe that one's not a pain but still)　ろくひゃく vs ろっぴゃく as well. Just less mouth movement to use the っぴゃく・っぴょう・っぱ versions.

Same logic works in reverse, where would it obviously just be easier to use the normal reading?

でんじは would be worse off if it was read でんじぱ

>>19914750
>>19914762
I'm guessing there's no rule for omitting part of sounds either? In that same example 発表, 発 is shortened to はっ and that shit always gets me.

>>19914762
そのへん

みみからおぼえれば

いっちする

>>19914782
No rule. Again, comes down to "what's easiest." Very rarely, it also comes down to "we wanted to avoid a homophone" but those examples are far and few between.

Some more words that come to mind tho

熱中症
熱発
熱波
絶対
絶好
絶品
北極
北海道
北方

Typically it will happen like this with one common word/kanji/etc, so you at least have that to cling to.

>>19914620
飲むより呑む方が精密だよ

>>19914659
そいつの日本語ね

Challenge: come up with the shortest text containing all Hiragana (muddied optional). No cheats like just typing them out, needs to be proper Japanese.

>>19914830
いろはにほへと云々（でんでん）

>>19914833
I meant all the Hiragana, not all Hiragana, sorry

>>19914620
その漫画を飲みたい
意味分かれば

>>19914840
he was quoting
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%81%84%E3%82%8D%E3%81%AF%E6%AD%8C
also available on english wiki
it's not really proper anymore though

>>19914853
A beautiful poem, now this is why I want to become proficient

しつどがぐんぐんさがってきてる

にほん

なつおわった

Can someone be kind enough to explain these sentences to me?
時に愛は
What does this sentence exactly mean?
How does the に particle work here?

Also this one:
同人ゲーではない！メーカーの売り物
で as far as I know is used to specify the means of doing something or adding info to how an action was performed, I got that right?
What's the difference between 同人ゲーではない and simply using 同人ゲーはない ?

>>19914910
the latter sounds wrong

>>19914910
>What does this sentence exactly mean?
>How does the に particle work here?
その文をyomichanにしてみて

>>19914910
the de in dewanai is not a particle. its the negative form of desu

>未 isn't the same as 末
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>19914986
未来
未遂
週末
末期癌

Wow it's fucking nothing

>>19914986
>Baby's first week of japanese
Cute.

It's actually the ones like these that are easiest to remember.

Hey, just started yesterday, is there any game that is easy to play in japanese without knowing kanji perfectly?

>>19915031

>>19915031

>>19915038
Aside from pokemon, if its possible

>>19915039
Golden Sun is incomprehensible in English and you want that poor fucker to attempt it in Japanese?

>>19914974
???

>負けるではない
>負けるでない

kindly reconsider your stance on this opinion anon

>>19915049
not that i've played it but what does a translation have to do with the source material

>>19915056
Presumably he wants a game with easy Japanese to learn Japanese. In which case a game as shoddily written as Golden Sun will only confuse him.

I think >>19915031 is better off doing what most who learn Japanese learned it for: playing shitty porn games.

みらい
未来

ひつじ
　未

>>19910774
"state of temporary fluency" が映画の名前です？　

I wanted to say "sounds like a movie title" but I don't know the Japanese equivalent for that kind of phrase. (-_- )

>>19915069
迷える子羊くん、その漢字が難しくないです

>>19915031

>>19910287
＞リック＆モティ

www くそくらえ

>>19915067
The biggest problem with learning JP from games is:

>your "favorite classic" of childhood was likely written entirely in hiragana for the original release, making it a fuckfest of readability
>the resolution of text can also make games a fuckfest of readability

Porn VNs do actually have better focus on making readable text since they are supposed to be read, so that's a better a choice, but also any game made for modern systems should work better since they don't have to fuck up their text to fit on a 240p screen or anything like that.

>>19915078

>>19915125

>>19915031
素晴らしき日々

>>19915293
Well it certainly sounds easy-going.

>>19913966
>>19913992
>>19914005
lol

RTK started at 60 today but I'm almost done!

>>19913027
>>19913102
What are you playing it on? The vita version was ok but I got cramped up on that lil thing quick, PC?

>>19915499
PS3 emulator on PC

>>19915091
no what you gotta do is post the fujin chan best of reel

>>19915548
How stable is it?

>>19915420
Why do people keep torturing themselves like this?

>>19915603
I learn way more than through reading.

>>19915620
Just because it doesn't feel like studying doesn't mean you're not learning.

>>19915620
Just because it feels like studying doesn't mean you're learning.

>>19915583
In some areas I get fps dropping to around 50 with a i5 4670k. Audio is sometimes a bit scratchy but not too bad, probably just means my CPU not good enough

ah yes the classic idea in this modern computing age where its the hardware thats not good enough to run the poorly coded applications lmao

>>19915628
There's a time and a place for both

When you study for real, it should be focused and intense.

However, you should really be enjoying yourself with the language and be exposing yourself to things hundreds of times over a long span of time to reinforce the memories, until it's second nature.

You can walk on the treadmill all day if you like, but the guy who's out hiking or walking his dog is gonna be getting the same shit as you with none of the tedium.

based /g/amal

>>19915738
i agree with you in sentiment but emulation will always be relatively shitty there's no avoiding that

>>19915754
>You can walk on the treadmill all day if you like, but the guy who's out hiking or walking his dog is gonna be getting the same shit as you with none of the tedium.
the detail your analogy is missing is where the guy taking his dog for a walk is kicking treadmill guy's ass at the races because anki isn't reading

You can't enjoy yourself in the language if you don't understand it. Anki helps with that.

>>19915812
anki doesn't help with understanding, anki helps with using a dictionary less, consuming language helps with understanding

>>19915835
>anki helps with using a dictionary less
Yea which helps you understand. I didn't say anki was a substitute for reading.

serious question for those who jump straight into reading.. how do you deal with unknown grammar points /words where the whole thing sorta mesh together and you cant tell words apart? or when multiple unknown grammar rules are taking place

someone link me an anki deck for counters please

>>19915754
Treadmill guy is gonna give up after a week tho.

I tried learning japanese 3 times before, every time I used anki and every time I gave up before a month passed.

This time I'm not using anki at all and spend 1-2 hours a day (I'm not a NEET) reading and I haven't missed a single day. 5 months later I still haven't given up and my Japanese is definitely better than it ever was.

Maybe it's not the most efficient way, but then I don't know why I would be in a rush.

>>19915848
just take a guess from context

i've used it for a couple weeks for vocab, and i plan to use it until i finish a shared deck and then i'll start mining. after a year i'll stop using anki. so whether or not anki feels like shit just depends on the person. as of right now it's a lot more enjoyable to me than reading but when my comprehension gets better that'll stop being the case and i'll stop using anki.

>>19915860
it's because you used shit decks like core and so on, they're very hard if you do not know the kanji, that is why you should go through RTK before even thinking about anything else.

>>19912001
>implying nips don’t have 10000 hours of English movies

>>19915917
They dub everything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSRylVSfxyw

>>19915848
unknown word boundaries just means a couple dictionary searches instead of one, and it stops being a problem quickly. multiple unknown bits of grammar in the same sentence, take a guess or skip it and move onto more sentences that are more approachable.

There is no way Japanese people don’t have a significantly bigger passive vocabulary than English speakers right? I really don’t feel like I‘ll stop encountering new words anytime soon and it’s been some time.

>>19915883
i can't tell the serious posts from the shitposts because it's all shit
>>i burnt out from wasting time instead of learning japanese
>that's because you didn't waste time before even thinking about wasting time before learning japanese

>>19915942
of course you are basically wasting time if you do something incorrectly, even a retard would know that

>>19915844
That's why I read in a browser and use yomichan. Convert ebooks to HTML or just read WNs.

>>19915848
See above. In the beginning there is just too much to focus on since you don't know anything. It's best to just focus on a few things at the time and ignore the rest. Otherwise you'll take like 30 minutes on a single page which is neither productive nor fun.

You start out by abusing the fuck yomichan and focus entirely on grammar, don't bother trying to remember words, just mindlessly use it. Then as you start to get a better grasp of the grammar you reduce your dependence on yomichan.

Start by focusing on words you encounter often, just a handful at the time. As you get better and better you'll be able to add new ones. If you just read everyday it'll work like natural SRS.

Do the same with kanji too, focus on a few of them at the time. I usually pick one with few radicals or one that's made up out of other kanji I already know. Then associate them with a single unique Japanese word(one I'm focusing on or already know). Every time you encounter it recall the word you associated it with and its most common readings. Again do this until you know it well enough.

Don't spend too much time on things you don't know. If you don't get it after a few minutes just move on to the next sentence/paragraph. It's not like kids understand everything they're reading or watching, they just don't care and have fun nonetheless.

I'm not saying you should do it like this. Maybe this is a horrible way to learn languages or maybe I'll eventually hit a wall using this method. But it works better than anything I've tried before and I'm actually having fun. So I'll keep doing it like this. I especially notice how much I've improved in places where I can't use yomichan so it's not like I'm lying to myself about improving.

>>19915947
you don't even know english

minna

・・

genki?

>>19915955
>That's why I read in a browser and use yomichan.
I do too but I remember words better by studying them in anki rather than hovering my cursor over all of them.

its sick how you basically invalidated your entire idiot wall of text with

>It's not like kids understand everything they're reading or watching, they just don't care and have fun nonetheless.

thats the only thing to "focus" on because if youre here with the intent to learn japanese but havent even watched 10000 hours of anime subbed in english you quite seriously arent going to

>>19915984
>only thing to "focus" on
Yes you focus on i+1 but there is simply too much to focus on at first. You have to limit your scope.

Anyway occasionally you come across these sentences you simply do not get, that's true regardless of how you're learning japanese. If you don't get it after 5 minutes, what will another 10 do? Either ask someone fluent in japanese and/or move on.

>>19915939
I mean, there's a lot of shit to know about the world. How else are you gonna know what a 梟 is unless you either read Harry Potter or go out of your way to learn the names of birds and shit?

The nice bit is, once you already know lots of shit, adding something you didn't even think of like 街路灯 or 駐車場 to your lexicon takes all of 2 seconds and 5 reviews of a card, because you don't even have to think about it anymore. It's not like you're scrambling between every new thing, you've had time for the words of the world to sink in. What's adding カ to your vocab when you already know ハチ、コオロギ、クモ、セミ、ホタル、クワガタ、　ケムシ、虫、and ハエ？

>>19916009
This is sound advice.

Get a load of this Pokeman screencap. There's a lot of shit going on in just this small amount of space, more than a beginner is gonna be able to deal with. There's volitional+とする、plus fucking よう、and on top of that the main verb is a compound Stem+出す one.

Until you realize these are all separate bits and can figure that out on your own with your own knowledge, there's really no point in fighting with this because you'll only make it worse if you try.

>>19916120
Are you being sarcastic? I legit can't tell.

>>19916009
>If you don't get it after 5 minutes, what will another 10 do?
more importantly, if you can't figure it out in 5 minutes do you really think you're going to actually understand it? do you think it's going to help you out later? just get to more shit that's at your level and eventually you'll be at a point where it's not so hard the next time you encounter it
besides, knowledge about the language isn't ingrained, it's consuming language that teaches you japanese, not reading a bunch of explanations of shit you couldn't ignore

>>19912839
Why is Japan the only Category V*?
Also we need more than 2200 hours?

>>19913989
大丈夫わ

>>19915883
What's RTK?

>>19916170
because it's harder than chinese, korean and arabic

>>19914342
Damn where do you go to see a grill like that on the right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyDdBYgnNfc

>>19916170
You don't want to spark this discussion again.

>>19912839
Does chinese become easier when you already know japanese?

>>19916188
How? Those languages are especially difficult. You’re telling me japanese is even above that?

>>19916133
Are you suggesting that a total beginner with limited vocab and grammar knowledge is gonna fully understand the concept of Xが飛び出してきた over simpler verbiage like 現れた?

I mean, once you "get it" you get it, but google searching とびだしてきた does not yield results that are gonna help explain what's going on here to any beginner. They might not even know that this is just 飛ぶ+出す+来る together at that point.

>>19916236
You thought that "you can't learn Japanese" is a fucking joke?

>>19916226
Infinitely, because you can forget the useless readings of your kanji in favor of the 1 good reading that actually works.

Tones are easier than all of Japanese grammar combined, btw.

>>19916242
Tones are hard as fuck though. No idea how the Chinese do it. You would need 10000 hours of Chinese something.

>>19916237
>They might not even know that this is just 飛ぶ+出す+来る together at that point.
I really feel bad for you if this is seriously how you're learning Japanese.

You're taking 20 steps to do something you could do in one.

>>19916178
reading the koran (in japanese)

>>19916254
>put hanzi on front
>write pinyin+tone on back
>read it
>get it right, pass
>get it wrong, fail

you'll get tired of failing so fast that you'll GET good at tones in a hurry.

Source: did exactly this some years ago when I lived with chinese speakers

>>19916178
A gaijin’s genius written into a book. They laughed at him but he had discovered a work around.

>>19914285
>神の敬虔なるしもべたるぼく
敬虔なる=敬虔な's old wording
しもべたる=しもべである's old wording
so 神の 敬虔な しもべである ぼく
-> I, a reverent Servant of God, ...

pretty sure I'm tone deaf so there's no point in even trying to learn pitch accent

>>19916242
Most hanzi only have one reading correct? That sounds like heaven.

>>19916307
>tfw 10k hours of anime so don’t even worry about pitch accent because it’s natural

>>19916307
pithc accent doesn't have much to do with tone

>>19910197
What do they mean with ミカ女 in hanahira? Does it refer to their schoolgrade?

>>19916278
How do you know if you’re saying it correctly or not though? The sounds are so similar when said quickly enough and transitioning.

>>19916323
post context, I'm pretty sure that was the name of the school

>>19916242
How difficult is Chinese grammar in comparison to Japanese grammar though?

>>19916178
>What's RTK?
"I've heard that you've learnt some Chinese characters."
"No, no, I've learnt to write all the required characters."
"So you can write all of them?"
"Yes, I can"
They put me in front of a blackboard with some chalk and said, "Write the character for inu."
And I said, "I'm sorry, I don't know what inu means."
"So you've been here for 2 months and you don't know the word for 'dog'?"

I said "Sorry, but I didn't get to vocabulary yet. I learnt the characters through English words. So give me an English word."

So she explained to the other teachers who were there, and somebody threw out "cow." So I wrote the character for cow. And the same for "cat." And they all started talking amongst themselves in Japanese. And I said, "What's wrong? Is the character wrong?" And they replied, "No, it's correct, but you're not supposed to know it because it's not on the official list." I explained that there were a lot of them that weren't on the list but they were easy to learn, so I just added them anyway. So they started testing me; they might ask me to write the word "sad," and I would write the character that I had given the meaning "sorrowful" to, as there are many overlaps in the characters. Following that, they asked me to come back after classes had finished that evening.

So I went back at 5:30, and all the teachers were sitting there. The one lady who spoke English said, "We've discussed your case very carefully, and there's about seventy years of combined teaching experience in this room, and it's the opinion of everyone in here that you are doing yourself a big disservice by studying this way and you should come to class." And I asked why it would be a disservice to learn the characters. And they said, "It's short-term memory. You have a photographic memory, and you'll discourage the other students who don't have one."

>>19916344

>>19916326
Context

今日、母をよんだ
昨日、本をよんだ

Same rules apply to tones, there's usually 1 very clear option out of the few if you cock the tones up and Chinese people are even better mind readers than Japanese.

>>19916344
>tfw photographic memory turned out to be bunk and is something everyone has
We are truly living in the future

>>19916315
Isn't that what Katz was arguing? That there is no such thing as "pitch accent" and that they're just "different sounds" altogether. That pitch accents is just some kind of classification someone came up with after studying about the language, but that it doesn't mean anything in regarding to learning the language.

>>19916332
It's in the beginning of the VN when they are walking to school. I couldn't make sense of that part of the conversation but if ミカ女 is a place, I understand what they are talking about.

just watch baseball

>>19916344
Can someone post the "playing baseball with the children in the mountains" pasta.
Could we create an archive for theses pasta's for future reference.

>>19916382
i mean this is probably true but it's probably gay to think of it that way, in the same way the present and past tense of a word sound related but they're still two different words

>>19916344
>Sorry, but I didn't get to vocabulary yet
I don't really get this. why would you wait to read until you finished RTK? can't you do both? even die hard RTK fans tell you not to do more then like 20 new cards a day.

>>19916402
I waited because Matt told me it was a good idea to learn the kanji before trying to read because I could develop my listening ability instead. Only after he admitted he was wrong about RTK's utility for beginners could I be honest with myself and admit that it was a waste of time, like so many anons tried to warn me. Even if optimal listening ability is achieved through day 1 listening and no reading, it's just not fun and it's a much slower process so no one should do it.

>>19916382
Japanese people are aware of pitch accent themselves. Pitch isn't just some gaijin bullshit, it's a real and practical concept.

>>19916344
The Chad RTK vs the Virgin Japanese Rote Method

>>19916427
But more in a way like "This sounds wrong, it's more like this" and "this sounds right" or "He's from region X" rather than "This is pitch accent XYZ"

>>19916343
If you can speak English, you can speak Chinese. The grammar is, at its core, remarkably English-like without having to deal with verb tenses at all (think of how you deal with "future" tense in Japanese and apply that to any and all past/present/future events), you can usually structure things similar to English and get decent results in terms of word order.

That said, at higher levels, due to how "free flowing" and ostensibly loose Chinese grammar would seem, word order can indeed be very important. Also people seem to have problems with the concept of 了 but they're just memeing, enough exposure to its usage clears it right up. Mostly.

>>19916444
Like I said, pitch isn't just a "feeling" thing like you're trying to push it to be. It's a very real concept that's essential to understanding the Japanese language. Pitch accent is constantly mentioned in media and even casual conversations. A good example of this is the こ↑こ↓ yajuu meme. Not that I'd expect you to know it, of course.

>>19916402
He wasn't just doing RTK, he was creating it.

自閉症

>>19916588
self close symptom?

It's amazing how easy it is to identifiy RTKunts

>>19916604
aka autism

>>19916344
"Please come to the faculty office after class." I asked the student.

"It was so sad, seeing everyone make fun of one of their fellow classmates," I thought to myself.
"I'm going to have to give them a stern lecture when the boy isn't around."
"For now, though, there is a much larger problem to take care of."
I thought about the boy who put in more hard work than any of his classmates, but still couldn't grasp even the basic concepts of Japanese. I knew I had to get him on the right track. And most importantly, I knew that I couldn't let him feel stupid for wasting months of his life that he will never get back.

The student arrived shortly after I gathered the other teachers and told them the plan.
"We've discussed your case very carefully, and there's about seventy years of combined teaching experience in this room, and it's the opinion of everyone in here that you are doing yourself a big disservice by studying this way and you should come to class."
The boy responded exactly how I had hoped, "why it would be a disservice to learn the characters?"
"It's short-term memory. You have a photographic memory, and you'll discourage the other students who don't have one," I told the student.

I remember there was some website where you could take full JLPT practice tests but had to preregister for them but can't seem to find it: was this a real thing or did I hallucinate it?

>>19916344
Is Heisig a master procrastinator? Supposed to learn Japanese but instead all he learned was kanji tied to a singular word. Didn’t even learn that dog was inu.

ive invented a kanji learning method far more efficient and practical than Heisigs. now watch me burn out and never publish any of it. toodles

>>19916734
That’s because you aren’t going to appear in front of an audience with seventy years of experience who tell you to conform to society instead of trying to learn japanese through an unconventional method created by yourself.

>>19916444
if someone uses "record" as a verb but pronounces it as if it were the noun you probably know exactly what was wrong with what you just heard even if you didn't consciously know that english has initial-stress-derived nouns. pitch accent isn't grammar, there's not a lot of complexity to it and any native speaker has almost as much intuitive understanding of it as they do the vowel and consonant sounds.

pitch accent is just pronunciation op. its important.

>>19916713
is that story heisig himself? poor guy

no native speakers of any language have an automatic thorough understanding of their own language outside of what they learn in school. like how many of you can explain to me the precise differences between Japanese "と/って" and English "that"? why can I say "「やめろ」ってあの人が言っている" but not "that man said that 'stop!'"? chances are that any given person in this thread would be able to explain why って is okay there but will have to think about "that" a bit more to get at any kind of explanation, and think harder still to contrast the two.
just because native speakers don't "know" about something the way someone who reads it out of a textbook does doesn't mean it's any less real. language knowledge is weird. stop making excuses not to learn things.

>>19916796
much more direct, sadder examples: ask monolingual anglophones whether "sh" is one or two sounds. a depressing number will say two. think of how people talk about "th"—they do as if it's one sound even though no native speaker would ever mix up the sounds in "thief" and in "the." what people think they know about their language rarely corresponds to what's really going on.

unsurprising anglos find this confusing considering their mutt of language

>>19916820
How are we able to learn such a mutt of a language but foreigners have trouble with it? Are kids even smarter than they are in language learning?

in light of the fact that djt permanently damages your ability to learn nihongo, i have a radical suggestion that will improve the fluency of nearly everyone in djt
after djt 2017 we make this an annual thread, in late december we gather to discuss romeo on anything but a surface level and post pictures of クリスマスケーキとお箸, and then we learn japanese for another year

>>19916825
languages arent hard. its the teachers who are retarded and pedagogically in fault

>>19916830
sure thing, see you tomorrow

>>19916850
you can't fault me for looking out for those who can still be saved

>>19916857
if you stop the thread, then nobody will have a place to shit. and have you ever tried focusing on something when you had to take a shit? you don't get much done.

Do you guys tell people you're seriously learning? I did like 8 years ago and told everyone my autistic plans and got very embarrassed when I burned out shortly after finishing RTK.

>>19916891
Never tell anyone about what you're planning to do