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古いスレ >>19886180
This is a Japanese language learning thread for people interested in anime, manga, visual novels, light novels and Japanese video games.
If you have not read or listened to Japanese for at least 2 hours yet today, please leave and don't come back until you have.

Read the guide before asking questions.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/

Old guide site below.
https://djtguide.neocities.org/

>> No.19896645
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19896645

yoshi time for reading

>> No.19896676

I FUCKING MISSED YOU GUYS

>> No.19896717

i was so scared that djt was gone for good this time

>> No.19896799

How do you start practicing listening? I could "just do it" but there must be an optimized starting method. I was thinking to read something on ((LingQ)) (or anything with text and speech), make sure I know all the words, then start listening to it until I get the next reading down.

>> No.19896810

On questions asked that use "dore (どれ)", like "Anata no cizu wa dore desu ka?", do you still reply with "dore"?

>> No.19896825

>>19896810

>>Meant "Anata no chizu wa dore desu ka".

>> No.19896837

>>19896825
no you meant "anata no tizu wa dore desu ka"

>> No.19896838

Can you guys recommend me a good locale emulator?

>> No.19896840

>>19896799
you gain very little from listening when you already know what is said
you learn from having a need to understand what you are taking in
listen to something you can figure out without reading beforehand, and don't worry about understanding every line, just keep consuming more material

>> No.19896841

どれのつかいかたはわかるんだけど

どれとどののちがいはよくわかんない

>> No.19896843

>>19896837

>>anata no tizu wa dore desu ka

Doesn't "chizu (地図)" mean "map"?

>> No.19896845

>>19896838
Have you even read the guide? There's a a whole section about changing to Japanese locale. Here's a DL from there https://mega.nz/#!kTon1BYS!kqzOCGX-w6zN6fj2Rpxy6lievOTz-ZcLjW2Rih157cg

>> No.19896846

>>19896838
yeah changing your actual locale
ntleas seemed to be the best option outside of that but i gave up on locale emulation

>> No.19896849

>>19896843
it does indeed why did you quote me

>> No.19896854

>>19896843
no it means cheese (cheese)

>> No.19896874

>>19896799
TV with Japanese subtitles.

>> No.19896877

Another day spent not knowing Japanese

>> No.19896890

>>19896874
Does that exist? I've been flipping through the channels and all I see with subtitles are variety shows and only when the people mumble with a dialect.

>> No.19896893

>>19896799
> I could "just do it"
then just do it, your idea of how to do it is not only dumbest shit I've written all day but also vastly inferior to just listening

>> No.19896894

HelloTalk is shit and doesn't work, how do I practice production now?

>> No.19896907

>>19896893
>then just do it
Read the rest of the sentence.

>Your idea is [the] dumbest shit I've written
You don't even know English.

>Listening to things comprised of words you know is vastly inferior to listening.
You don't even know logic.

>> No.19896923

>>19896907
you dont know how language is acquired so how exactly are you determining what is logical

>> No.19896925

>>19896890
http://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2F

I don't have Netflix, but I heard they also put Japanese subtitles on their shows.

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>>19896581
Appologies in advance for the dumb question:
With regards to that OP image - is there really some emulation tool that makes characters so clear and readable in emulated games as in that op pic?

I tried playing with filters but obviously there is only so much a filter can do.

>> No.19896930

きょうのこくご

>フレーバーテキスト

いみはなんとなく

>> No.19896939

>>19896926
filters are shit why don't you just embrace pixels
i think vba has the widest selection of filters ive seen and i would assume it's used in the op pic but i don't know for sure because i love pixels
you probably aren't going to find a solution that isn't a built-in filter

>> No.19896940

>>19896923
Explain to me, oh great guru of language learning (you've already learned English, I see): What is the difference between listening and listening [sic]? Because you seem to be implying there is one.

>>19896925
Oh shit I forgot all about this, thanks.

>> No.19896947

>>19896939
i looked at the op pic after posting this lol disregard that part

>> No.19896967

>>19896940
youre right it sounds pretty stupid when you take relevant words out of the sentence shit fuckin owned him

>> No.19896978

>>19896967
What's the difference between "listening" and "listening to things comprised of words you know the definitions of"? If you really have no answer then just admit it instead of stalling.

>> No.19896981

>>19896838
https://pooi.moe/Locale-Emulator/

>> No.19896985

>>19896978
the word "just" was also there which, if you are familiar with the language of english, implicitly contrasts with the extra words in the other given option

>> No.19896989

>>19896985
Stop stalling.

>> No.19896990

>>19896989
that was actually the answer to your question would you like to ask another

>> No.19896996

>>19896990
You're such a little bitch, you make a claim that someone is wrong then you refuse to explain any reasoning behind it and instead masturbate to yourself while bring up semantics that you could easily just touch on in the explanation you refuse to give.

>> No.19897010

>>19896996
i didnt make the claim actually i just jumped on your idiotic semantics bullshit response to the other dude
ill put words in your mouth for what you appear to be expecting an answer to i hope i get it right
>what is the difference between listening to something i already know and listening to something new
you acquire language by forcing your language center (subconscious) to pay attention to try to get information out of the speech
if you have the information your brain slacks and you get far less benefit

>> No.19897022

>>19896799
Audibooks.
Play audibook at the same time as you read the book. Set audioplayer's hotkeys for pause and quick rewind for when you want to listen to the sentence again.
After you finished a chapter by this reading+listening - upload that chapter onto your mp3 player and listen to it during your commute, now without text .

for starters the cornucopia in OP-guide has "graded readers" very short, easy to read stories that come with the audio-recording
https://mega.nz/#F!3gVW3Shb!8qXZG8BF8vMGxCF6EEuMmQ!y0FEQRBI

It is somewhat expensive though as I couldn't find japanese audiobooks (朗読) on torrents so have to buy them on audible.co.jp (they used to be free-to-listen however much you want with a monthly subscription but now this subscription only gives you 1 token a month to get one book a month with).
First month of audible is free, meaning you get one book for free for registering (they took 1 yen of my card for registration) so try that out or just look through catalog before registering.

By the way - is anyone here using Perfect Dark? Do they have 朗読 there?

>> No.19897035

Learning Japanese is fun!

>> No.19897040

>>19896849

Because you wrote "tizu". In any case, while you're asked and hear "dore", do you respond with "dore" or not?

>> No.19897075

>>19897040
ti ci chi tyi, it's just romanization variance. i think you'd say kore/sore/are depending on distance to you and the asker. why are you asking how to respond to questions at this stage? unless you're going to be in japan soon, just focus on understanding and worry about responses later.

>> No.19897144

>>19897075

Okay, thanks.

>> No.19897240

>>19896799
>>19897022
audiobooks
https://mega.nz/#F!QvhQlTqC!jc5UWLQxpE-haiCY5Q5eRQ

>> No.19897261

Where can I get guides for JP only RPG's?

>> No.19897273

>>19897261
Google

>> No.19897279

>>19896907
>You don't even know English.
articles in English are fucking retarded and nobody cares about them outside of you Anglos who cling on to petty things

>> No.19897292

>>19897279
Spoken like a true nigger. You may be an ESL, but don't be a nigger.

>> No.19897312

>>19897273
Tried that, didn't get any results. Even after searching in Japanese, I'm not getting any worthwhile results. I'm looking for a guide on
コンセプション~俺の子供を産んでくれ!~.

>> No.19897329

>>19897312
I can't believe this isn't a porn game
if I went to the local store and bought this game thinking it was porno I would be pretty fucking upset to say the least

>> No.19897331

>>19897040
Dore is a question, you can't use it to state something.

>> No.19897352

>>19897329
It's pretty much the reason why it didn't get translated.

>> No.19897354

gochuumon wa nuke deska?

>> No.19897368

>>19897352
They could have just tweaked the title, it's not like translators nowadays are much worried about being loyal to the source material anyway

>> No.19897388

>>19897368
>nowadays

>> No.19897475

>>19897240
Thank you! This is amazing.
Did someone uploaded their collection in this general earlier?

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>!
faggot retard. it's from this guy's discord.

>> No.19897558

Is anki even necessary to learn japanese?

>> No.19897564

>>19897558
Yes.

>> No.19897569

>>19897558
No.

>> No.19897572

>>19897558
i proved last thread that it is indeed necessary for most people:
>>19893788
>>19893991

>> No.19897591

>>19897558
Can you repeat the question?

>> No.19897608

>>19897558
Maybe.

>> No.19897667

>>19897572
This has less to do with some nebulous smartness and more with personal interest.
I too have struggled with some books and VNs I tried first, crawling at a slow pace and dropping them until I found ones that engaged me, making it easy to spend entire sat-sun - 12 hours each with minor breaks, just reading.

"Compelling" is the most important part of that "Reading compelling content" meme people keep repeating here - a single weekend spend entirely with compelling text can give one more progress than a year of anki-droning.

>> No.19897671

>>19897667
that sucks for me. it's going to take about 6 months for anything to become compelling.

>> No.19897677

>>19896841
どれはどいつ
どのは場所といろんな物を言及する
まあ、大分にその2つは自由で構いなく同じ状況で使うのであんまりちがいがない

>> No.19897778

>>19897671
>it's going to take about 6 months for anything to become compelling
Think with your penis and you'll be fine.

>> No.19897787

Is there any anki decks that focuses on differences between i.e. 務める 努める 勤める?

If there isn't, I'd just make my own cards based on http://www.tofugu.com/japanese/japanese-homophones/ but I don't know how complete this list is.

>> No.19897796

>>19897787
These are not homophones but one word. Different kanji correspond to different nuances of meaning. Same with 見る, 観る and 診る

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19897798

>tfw no furigana in real life

>> No.19897813

>>19897787
chigai-allguide.com is a good site (jp only, though) for these nuance differences.
With your example, for example:
https://chigai-allguide.com/努めると勉めると勤めると務める/

>> No.19897830

Even Japanese can't read kanji.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD8HOxPs4Xvsm8H0ZxXGiBw/live

>> No.19897833

>>19897778
won't work. I'm going to try upping my anki time to two hours a day and reducing my reading time to 1 hour a day and see how I like that.

>> No.19897841

>>19897833
If you are unable to think with you penis you can't learn Japanese.

>> No.19897845

>>19897677
じゆうだよね

あたしもそうおもう

でもおかしい文はやっぱりおかしいなあとも

おもう

>> No.19897853

>>19897796
I know that, I want to learn the different nuances and make sure I know the different Kanji that can be used.

>>19897830
Thanks. Too bad that it seems like hell to work through if you're not looking for specific words. A site that just lists them and links closer explanations would be perfect, haven't been able to find anything like that though.

>> No.19897886

>>19897830
http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/yomi/yomi.html
What level can you reach?

>> No.19897965

Went thru the 1000 most common Japanese words. Now I'm gonna selectively learn shit from the Core Deck that I stumble upon in my reading. I.e. I see a word a few times, so I will look for it in the Deck and tag it for study. No more learning of 10 words with 上 or 下 in the row.
This way Anki will actually feel like fun, I'm looking forward to it unlike when I went thru totally pre-made deck with totally pre-made order of things.

>> No.19897984

> I see a word a few times, so I will look for it in the Deck and tag it for study
Just scrap Core and mine shit.

>> No.19897985

>>19897965
yea I've been doing something similar with vncore.

>> No.19897994

>>19897984
How many hundreds of posts have you made in these threads over the past, say, two weeks?

>> No.19898047

>>19897994
Maybe 20 or 30 posts in total

>> No.19898062

>>19897994
a few hundred here.

>> No.19898067

貴方達、
ヌーッくマリーヌ様が必要はほんとに尊敬だよ
それは全部

>> No.19898177

>>19897010
>Pretends that he wasnt asked to clear up any semantic disagreements in his answer
>Complains about semantics instead
>Pretends he is having words shoved in his mouth when he was asked to correct any errors from semantics
>Acts like a child and lashes out by intentionally putting words in their mouth instead
死んでこい

>> No.19898291

>>19898177
What a terrible fucking post.

>> No.19898362

I just finished genki 2 with my teacher, He recommends to stop using traditional textbook study and start reading random articles and stuff online and figure stuff out as we go. But i still feel like I'm not ready and heard good things about tobira.. what do you guys think?

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19898383

How come there's no kanji for "penis"?

>> No.19898407

>>19898383
..but there is

>> No.19898429

>>19898362
Listen to your 先生. He sounds like one of the rare few who is actually interested in getting you good at the language and isn't just after your money. Suggest reading read something interesting like manga instead though (not only is it more fun, but you'll get to learn colloquial Japanese as well).

>But i still feel like I'm not ready and heard good things about tobira..
Tobira is entirely in Japanese. If you're not ready for reading news articles on the internet then you're not ready to learn about Japanese grammar in Japanese. I don't even see what the point of Tobira is since if you can understand it then you shouldn't even have any need for it.

Relevant video:
https://youtu.be/G5IPArDxO40

>> No.19898451

>>19898407
What is it then?

>> No.19898458

I know that this kind of goes against the DIY approach of /djt/, but does anybody know of any good Japanese language classes I can take online? I'm open to enrolling as a part-time student at a university somewhere, but I'd have to be able to take all the classes online. None of the schools within driving distance of me offer anything but basic intro classes.

The reason I'm asking is that I'm finding that I just don't learn very well without a structured curriculum and I have a hard time remaining motivated without some outside force giving me assignments and imposing deadlines, so I figure enrolling in an online program would help keep me engaged.

>> No.19898465

>>19898383

that ones basically penis just put it after another kanji to see its penis

>> No.19898467

The post above is a reddit repost.

>> No.19898477

>>19898465
>that ones basically penis
No it isn't. No more than 茎 is.

I mean a kanji which carries only the meaning of "penis" and has no other nuances, like 膣 for "vagina".

>> No.19898488

>>19897994
About 20% of the djt posts are by me

>> No.19898493

downloaded the latest Anki version by accident
god is that new version fucking shit, they even fucked up the Browse window

DO NOT TRY IT
I wonder when we will be forced to update to it

>> No.19898496

The post above is a reddit post.

>> No.19898498

>>19898458
You don't learn languages by doing assignments and taking tests, you learn them through thousands of hours of exposure. If your class isn't basically just guided reading then it's a waste of time and money and will never teach you Japanese.

>> No.19898526

>>19898498
This. Language isn't a very concious thing. It happens on a deeper level. You can spend a lifetime and get no where or spend a few years immersed and be fluent.

>> No.19898529

>>19898498
I'm aware. As I was trying to explain in my post, I want a class because I think it will keep me motivated. When I was attending university studying computer engineering, I was always feeling motivated to do all sorts of home programming projects and such, and I never felt at all like I had to force myself. I'm hoping I can recreate that for my Japanese studies by going through a Japanese course.

>> No.19898593

>>19898383
𠄏 and 𢆴

>> No.19898617

Also 屌

>> No.19898626

>>19898383
ummmm 凸 dude xd

>> No.19898716
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19898716

why is it で and not に? it's like
>please, always, stay well
right?

>> No.19898737

>>19898716
ugh the second I posted it I got an idea, is it used as "means of doing something" kinda like in Tae Kim 日本語で書く or  箸で食べる
is it like
>living/existing (いる) by means of being healthy/well/genki
?

>> No.19898774

https://www.johndcook.com/blog/2013/02/04/four-hours-of-concentration/
Hmm something something ajatt

>> No.19898908

四→西→酉→酒
四→西→洒
Kanji are like Pokémon.

>> No.19898954

kanji all look the same and are frankly bull shit

>> No.19898961

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9ufP3Kn4Uk

>> No.19899060

kanji look dissimilar to me but who cares if i can't even remember the reading/word associated with it. fuck this dumb language

>> No.19899062

>>19899060
You will never learn Japanese give up

>> No.19899069

>>19899062
i will and nothing you say can stop that but it's just gonna take so much effort that it bums me out.

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19899077

Look at this handsome motherfucker.
That gracious 丷 kanmuri, the 王 which evokes feelings of stability and control, the 我 which feels so good to write with its short sweeping strokes, all of which combine to symbolize righteousness and morality.
It's the perfect kanji.

>> No.19899097

>>19899077
nah that's one of the boring ones

>> No.19899098

>>19899077
She's beautiful, anon. I am going to practice writing it right now.

>> No.19899127

it literally looks like a house from china

>> No.19899154

>>19899097
Show me what gets your juices flowing.

>> No.19899163

嬲 is only kanji that excites me because i self insert as 2d hentai girl

>> No.19899173

>>19899163
淫らな漢字

>> No.19899177

>>19898529
If you can't find your own motivation Japanese is not the language for you

>> No.19899180

鬱 is the best kanji, I thought we went over this already.

>> No.19899193

your moms the best kanji

>> No.19899198

>>19899180
I remember this kanji as an urn buried in the woods with sacrificial wine as libations and hair cut in mourning.

>> No.19899201

just remember it as the haruhi kanji : )

>> No.19899210

>>19899180
>鬱
That's not 祟.

>> No.19899214

>>19898908

------------------「だれかたすけて!」-------------------
====>>車==========女子==========車<<===
-------------------------------------------------------------------

そのあと

-------------------------------------------------------------------
==================車好車===============
-------------------------------------------------------------------

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19899227

諦める

>> No.19899242

>>19899214
パチパチパチパチ

>> No.19899254

>>19899214
中に欲しいの

おにいちゃんの車

>> No.19899268

>>19899214
社交者?

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>>19897240
Are there audiobooks of Overlord or Full Metal Panic uploaded anywhere?

>> No.19899357

>use ankidroid
>phone dies
>haven't synced in a while
>get a new phone the next day
>sync RTK deck
>have to wade through 200 cards to get to where I was
>my once 40-50 repititions have climbed to 100

Is this what I get for being a phoneposter?

>> No.19899360

a wizard can't cast his spells without 8 hours of sleep and an hour of study in preparation, and that's supernatural powers. how can you possibly hope to learn nihongo without at least doing that much? make sure you're resting your body properly and studying at least a little bit every day.

>> No.19899366

I been doing immersion for 3 months now and I've learned about 4 words... you sure this works bro's?

>> No.19899374

>>19897240
based アノン

>> No.19899375

>>19899366
Lucky guy. I've been doing AJATT for over a decade and I can still barely say anything besides まあ.

>> No.19899379

>>19899366
That's pretty extreme but I do think pure immersion (reading/listening) is less efficient for beginners than immersion+study.

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19899391

>>19899366
Keep going, you're just learning without realizing it.

>> No.19899402

>>19899366
Maybe you should study a little more, at least both genkis.

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19899411

>と思います

>> No.19899458

>>19899411
what's と's function in this?

>> No.19899465

>>19899458
he's going "to" (と) think about it.

>> No.19899466

>>19899458
Pretty much the same as any other to.

>> No.19899470

>>19899379
>pure immersion (reading/listening) is less efficient for beginners than immersion+anki
ftfy

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>>19899210

>> No.19899484

how about I immerse my dick in youre mom?

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>>19899465
>>19899466
what the fuck?

>> No.19899489

>>19899214
I see, another nuke it is

>> No.19899497

>>19899486
if you were making a serious question and not just jokeposting then i apologize here's your real answer: と思う and と言う are set phrases that go at the end of quotes and phrases to mean something along the lines of "i think" and "he said/she said/whatever makes sense" respectively.

>> No.19899509

>>19899497
thanks. I knew about と言う but not と思う. and yomichan doesn't detect it as an expression/phrase for some reason.

>> No.19899517

>>19899509
how depressing.

>> No.19899521

>>19899517
it's not a bad thing. now I know what it means and will remember it.

>> No.19899525

>>19899509
that's okay. just remember that if yomichan doesn't pick something up and you have a feeling it could be a set phrase, it might be a better option to google or ignore it completely and move on

>> No.19899538

>>19899517
>>19899521
also if you're comment is basically saying it's sad how I couldn't put two and two together because of the similarities between the two phrases then that's fair. I even knew と was a quoting particle and still wasn't sure.

>> No.19899542

>>19899509
と思う is N5 grammar.

>> No.19899546

>>19899538
My comment was on your whole attitude towards the language in general.

>> No.19899547

>>19899542
this is what weeks of reading gets you.

>> No.19899612

imagine coming here because you want to learn japanese lmao

>> No.19899624

imagine coming here to shitpost all day long lmao

>> No.19899634

imagine

>> No.19899644

今日で天皇陛下の崇拝しましたか?

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>>19899624
yea.. just imagine

>> No.19899687

Not sure if this is already known here, but stumbled over this today
http://bilingualnews.libsyn.com/
and it seems really good to get used to listening on news level.

>> No.19899696

>>19899624
when do i think of you cause i certainly have not been : )

>> No.19899697

>>19899687
There is an app you can get for tablets/phones called like reading practice japanese. It's god tier mode for reading the news and even has a bunch of childrens stories and stuff for beginners in there. Nothing I've found has been nearly as helpful for reading.

>> No.19899698

Why the two sites and what is the difference if any?

>> No.19899706

http://amzn.asia/d/cZtj5Km

Can anyone with a kindle rip the azw for me? It's free but I don't have a kindle required to download the ebook file.

>> No.19899717

>>19899706
Is it good?

>> No.19899720

>>19899687
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tangoristo&hl=jp

>> No.19899761

>>19899697
>>19899720
Also nice, but I prefer listening to reading since I can do listening while driving. Plus, I prefer reading material that actually interests me.

>> No.19899784 [DELETED] 

>>19899706
https://mega.nz/#!vB1FDQrY!h4mwCBCBahnzZD8fDkMATMbQOIrYL5XSRw1avZqrQLk

>> No.19899806

>>19897240
Thanks, now I can finally listen to Zero no Tsukaima. Not that I will understand anything, even though I read it already.

>> No.19899808

>>19899761
It's the news.. like what you linked, but yea you cant listen to it while driving because you have to touch the words for it to read it. At home though try it youll like it.

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>>19899346
Here is Full Metal Panic audio, but only volume 1
https://mega.nz/#F!xYAn3SCK!_nHao_8Rvw8PcW5Lc1eH4w

>> No.19899984

I have added 3222 sentence cards over the past 156 days, before that I did RTK. Ask me anything

>> No.19899994

>>19899984
When will you start learning japanese?

>> No.19899996

>>19899984
Can you introduce yourself in jap?

>> No.19899997

>>19899994
What is learning japanese

>> No.19900004

>>19899994
Yeah

>> No.19900006

>>19899984
at what point do you stop translating in your head and just feel the japanese?

>> No.19900012

>>19900006
After tae kim. Especially after going monolingual

>> No.19900014

>>19898716
でいる is kinda like the standard copula である but used more for emotions and shit. So 元気でいる means to be well, and then it's just the てください version of that.

>> No.19900030
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19900030

Learning Japanese is hard work

>> No.19900038

>>19900030
whats hard work is looking at those shitty graphics

>> No.19900075

>>19900030
you've finally stopped being an evil dictator and bought everyone a bed. グッジョブ

>> No.19900081

>>19900006
never

>> No.19900092
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>>19899706
Hah, this is straight up stalker-manga.
There is a seeded torrent of it on nyaa si if that works for you
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:d7b03112e3106fea6f73906cd95fc2e7cb3be86b

>> No.19900103

>>19899994
never

>> No.19900153

>>19900075
Now that I'm in the second area I can actually make beds. That's also the hospital, the citizens still have strawbeds in that building in the top right

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おい、そちらで何をしていますか!

>> No.19900225

>>19900006
A trick is to learn to feel the kanji as you learn them. You don't even have to translate the word as it comes up just know the jist of it and then learn the Japanese word and move on before you do damage to it with too much english.

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>>19899077
look at THIS handsome motherfucker

The two 木's on either side of the 缶, representative of an outhouse situated in the middle of the woods on those long camping journeys... The most depressing shit you'll ever take in your life.
the 鬯+彡 which combine to represent my great country of the United States of America... One nation under a 冖 crown of glory, because we are the best.

29 strokes form this Kanji, which is the same number of strokes as most of my fellow countrymen have had...

God bless America.

>> No.19900246

>>19900225
The best is when it's something you can actually picture in your head and you can skip the english entirely.

>> No.19900264

>>19900230
>The two 木's on either side of the 缶
More like a tin can trashed in the woods. The depressing state of modern society littering nature.

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what's the difference between suki nan da
suki desu?

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i haven't been using clozemaster because i don't know what do after n4

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RiP all your 漢字

Plus it makes the word 綺麗

>> No.19900364

>>19900298
I like what it is
I like it
basically

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Learning Japanese is hard work

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>>19900386

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>>19900230
yeah its alright i guess. if you're new to kanji or something

>> No.19900414

>>19900396
i was kidding don't do it

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>>19900414

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nihongo

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← 俺

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>>19900443
nihongo

>> No.19900459

>>19900298
If you ever have a question like this, and you can't look it up in Japanese ("XとYどう違います") and understand the answer, don't worry about it and just fucking read more. You'll naturally pick it up as you progress, trying to remember something like >>19900364 does nothing but hinder your ability to actually understand the language in a natural way

What the fuck happened to this place? I thought "read more, faggot" was the #1 rule of /djt/

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>>19900443
nihongo

>> No.19900474

>>19900459
you're time is over dude, listen more is king now.

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>What the fuck happened to this place? I thought "read more, faggot" was the #1 rule of /djt/
>This is a thread for people interested in anime, manga, visual novels, light novels and Japanese video games.
djt doesn't mean learn nihongo

>> No.19900496

>>19900459
>people who don't know any words need to read more

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>>19900473
nihongo

>> No.19900509
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>>19900498
nihongo

>> No.19900528

learning japanese here sure is fun

>> No.19900534

why doesn't someone just make a complete vocab deck. seems like stopping at 3k is a waste of time.

>> No.19900536
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>>19900496
The point is there's 0 benefit in wasting time trying to understand English explanations of connotational differences that are likely going to be awkward, incomplete, or even flat out wrong. Especially something as simple as the original question - if you just know that both phrases mean the speaker likes something, the difference in how they are used should be readily apparent by the time you've finished a few chapters of yotsuba or something.

>> No.19900550

>>19900498
ニッポン語

>> No.19900558

>the difference in how they are used should be readily apparent by the time you've finished a few chapters of yotsuba
I've read way, way more than this and don't understand nuanced differences between anything. Either I'm a complete retard (possible) or reading helps clarify differences for those who can already read pretty well. Beginners are taking in too much information at once to be able to notice those kinds of things.

>> No.19900560

>>19900534
They do already, it's called "reading"

Once you have 3-5k words under your belt you should be more than equipped to start learning independently.

>> No.19900572

>>19900560
ill never be able to read

>> No.19900575

Damn, there used to be a time where all nip stuff was just incomprehensible drawings to me and were so alien. Now they're pretty fun to learn. Guess I got mind broken.

>> No.19900587

>>19900558
You're either underestimating your own abilities, or overestimating how much actual understanding can be gained through reading explanations written in English by users of a cartoon message board

>> No.19900594

i remember when i remember when yotsuba too

>> No.19900707

あのQT3.14彼女がない感じ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTjiTJm7jjg&list=RDMMn9uxpYsW4-s&index=15

>> No.19900710

>>19900558
The thing is, as you understand more, the number of things you don't understand continuously becomes less and less.

At the start, NHK EASY is gonna be overwhelming because you're gonna see like 80% new shit. After a few months, you'll only be seeing like 1-3 new words/Kanji a day using it. Then when you move up to something like TBS NEWS you'll have to start all over, 80% new shit. After some months of that, you'll be back where you found yourself, only finding a handful of new words/grammar things a day. What's miraculous is that every day you're gonna be able to do slightly more, and spend more time with Japanese using less effort. Brain's gonna get tired of the bullshit and either A) give up B) get good.

No matter what, there's gonna be a wall at the start. You've just gotta chip away at it until you're not gaining much from it, then find the next wall and do the same to that one. That's all language learning is. Take it from an ESL who STILL finds weird shit I don't know in English from time to time, but I just don't argue with it anymore.

>> No.19900757

I always have trouble deciding on a new thing to read after I finish something. LNs feel like the best study material to me because you don't have to download or install anything, but the ones at my level are ecchi bullshit and the ones that look interesting are above my level. What's a nerd to do?

>> No.19900786

>read for a week
>only words i learned were 学園長 and 地震
>anki for a week
>learn like 50-100 words that are actually useful and i encounter a lot but just couldn't memorize in context because i was looking up everything

>> No.19900790

>>19900786
Learning words from reading becomes much more effective if you have a bigger knowledge base to begin with.

>> No.19900806

>>19900786
>read things
>put words I don't know on flashcards
>review them
>re-read those same things later the same day
>re-read them again the next day
>know them

This is typically how it's worked for me.

>> No.19900817

>>19900757
Read Yotsuba

>> No.19900829

Nuke is working on his N4 level now. Only took him 11 years.

https://youtu.be/rmBJZbmzbX8

>> No.19900840
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le nihongo

>> No.19900847

>>19897240
Which of those audio books also have PDFs on the DJT cornucopia page?

>> No.19900857

>>19900757
Read the ones above your level until they're not any more.

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>>19900840
nihongoese

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nihongo ftw

>> No.19900925

>>19900817
Why the fuck is the first volume on the new manga site a whole-ass gigabyte? Is this a joke?

>> No.19900933

>>19900925
Oh, it's the whole series. Okay looks like actually I'm just dumb as fuck.

>> No.19900935

gesundheit

>> No.19901014
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nihongo

>> No.19901065
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nihongo

>> No.19901170

>>19900933
By the time you finish reading all 14 volumes you'll only have to wait another three years for the next one.

>> No.19901212

I know nihongo
Watashi no sainou wa wakaranai no?
I know nihongo but you don't know nihongo like I know nihongo though

>> No.19901230

>>19900829
glad I'm seeing his notes in my deck..

>> No.19901236

>>19900817
why do they use more slang in yotsuba than in anime in general?

>> No.19901267

>>19900847
These three in the light novels match up on both audio books and the DJT library. There's also Harry Potter books 1 and 2 in the novels section.

アネコ ユサギ - 盾の勇者の成り上がり
ヤマグチ ノボル - 【朗読版】『ゼロの使い魔』
桐刻 - クーデレすぎる未来の嫁の面倒な7日間

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>>19901212
>wa

>> No.19901271

^kore wa newfag des

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>>19896581
site: https://majimeneko.neocities.org/
login: majimeneko
password: cqWP5jPt6pxs7WfJQ36T
associated email: majimeneko@protonmail.ch
email password: cqWP5jPt6pxs7WfJQ36T
lol

>> No.19901298

what's this tard on about?

>> No.19901316

>>19900092
This is the LN.

>> No.19901335

>>19900092
>え
>なに
>なにこれ
Manga isnt reading wasnt a meme

>> No.19901367

>>19901236
its a slang manga or slanga

>> No.19901385

>>19900847
I was bored and found some more in the Modern folder. Might finish the list later.

J.K.ローリング, 松岡 佑子 - ハリー・ポッターと秘密の部屋
J.K.ローリング, 松岡 佑子 - ハリー・ポッターと賢者の石
三浦 哲郎 - 忍ぶ川
京極 夏彦 - 百鬼夜行 陰
伊坂 幸太郎 - グラスホッパー
円城 塔 - 道化師の蝶
森見 登美彦 - ペンギン・ハイウェイ
辻村 深月 - 鍵のない夢を見る

They're not PDFs, but that shouldn't matter.

>> No.19901386

also gambare majime neko san..

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>>19901335
say that to my face motherfucker not online

>> No.19901390

>>19901335
日本語は日本語じゃないんだよ。
英語の映画・本・ゲームを食べると日本語力を上げるよ。

>> No.19901407

>>19897240
Is this up as a torrent anywhere?

>> No.19901922

>>19901407
this

would be greatest torrent ever

>> No.19901971

>>19896799
Find something available in abundance which you find interesting enough to actively listen to for several hours a day. バーチャルYouTubers and raw rewatches of anime you've already seen subbed are decent choices to consider.

To find VTubers, you can check the following pages:
https://virtual-youtuber.userlocal.jp/document/ranking/
https://virtual-youtuber.userlocal.jp/lives
https://www.minna-vtuber.com/lives/scheduled
Or you can just lurk the Virtual YouTuber threads here on /jp/.

>((LingQ))
Please leave your meme brackets on /pol/.

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まつたけたべたい

>> No.19901997

>>19901971
>バーチャルYouTubers and raw rewatches of anime you've already seen subbed are decent choices to consider.
Oh, and those old anime from the late 80s and early 90s like Ranma which aired for 100+ episodes are worth a look too since they give you a lot of consistent material to slog through.

>> No.19902044

I've been doing LOTS OF READING AND LISTENING for two months now, when do I start getting better? Steve promised me improvement.

>> No.19902052

>>19902044
mining will help you. it helped me. and i might start mining sentences because i think they'll help stop/mitigate my tendency to translate everything into english while reading.

>> No.19902055

>>19902044
If you've been doing hours of reading every day you should already be aware of a notable improvement with regard to intuitive comprehension compared to when you were in the textbook phase. Maybe you have unrealistic expectations about how fast your improvement should be so you aren't appreciating what you've accomplished thus far.

>> No.19902065

>>19902044
Are you day dreaming while doing it? Are you actively engaging with the content and staying in a state of interest? You could just be getting good at ignoring Japanese.

>> No.19902072

>>19902055
Shit you're right, I do have far better comprehension as far as grammar goes and I have less of a need to translate into English assuming I know all the words.
My beef is that I've made virtually no progress in the amount of words I know.

>>19902065
Right now I'm reading some weird anime CD about the fight between Lucifer and the angels, it's chuuni as fuck.

>> No.19902073

>>19902055
Not him but I hope you're right that I'm understanding things better and just not realizing it. I know I've heard from multiple people that it took them 8-12 months of reading and listening every day for them to really start to feel the nihongo and understand most of it intuitively in the media they were consuming so I should wait until then before complaining. Thanks dude you're the best.

>> No.19902084

>>19902072
as in you've got audio+script? mind posting that? I need something else besides this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKPtKdH-_q8
also if anyone knows where I can find other drama CDs with scripts let me know.

>> No.19902090

>>19902073
Yea if you're doing it full time (at least 8 hours per day) it's about 6 months of listening to be able to listen, and 6 months of reading to read comfortably. A year sounds right. I'm 3 months into listening and getting pretty good at it already.

>> No.19902092

>>19902084
https://www.lingq.com/en/learn/ja/web/lesson/1616991/chunk/6/word/140

>> No.19902099

>安楽椅子
>comfy chair
>安楽死
>comfy death

どういう意味?

>> No.19902103

>>19902099
>both have the word comfy in it
oh shit what does it mean

>> No.19902113

>死椅子
>death chair
>安楽死椅子
>comfy death chair
>安楽椅子死
>comfy chair death

どういう意味?

>> No.19902147

I feel so bad when i have a retention ratio for matured cards below 90%, what would you guys say is the best retention rate on anki?

>> No.19902148

Almost 2/3 through the month and I've only watched 4 hours of anime. I'm falling off the wagon. I can't find anything I really want to rewatch. I'm trying Tokyo Ravens and True Tears, but neither one is really making me want to keep watching.

>> No.19902150

>>19902147
Anything less than a 100% on a matured card is proof that flash cards can't teach you a language.

>> No.19902161

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH3LY5cF5lQ
Is this guy better than Matt?

>> No.19902164

>>19902161
>Race is biological, just look at crime rates.
I think Matt may actually be more intelligent.

>> No.19902178

>>19902161
looks like you found me irl great job

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>> No.19902209

>>19902161
He has a bit of accent still. I'll surpass them both. Matt is overrated asf too. There are thousands better than him. He just did it pretty quick and has pretty decent kanji writing. I'll be reading as good as him in probably a couple more months.

>> No.19902248

agreed natuki chan..

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19902250

これは本だ。
同様なのが多い、でもこれは私の。
Grammatically did I fuck something up?

>> No.19902256

what the fuck dude

>> No.19902273

>>19902250
これは本だ。
ほかに似ているが、これが僕の。

I'd probably say this but I can't learn Japanese.

>> No.19902364

>死の椅子
>deadly chair
>死の安楽椅子
>deadly comfy chair
>安楽死の椅子
>comfy death chair
どういう意味なのよ

>> No.19902477

>>19902428
why cant more japanese rappers rap like this guy, you can actually understand everything

>> No.19902524

>>19902161
He sounds pretty good.

>> No.19902685

gan = cancer

>> No.19902686

じしょひいたら

I have a sty in my eye.

なんてはつおんするのかわかんないけど

つうじる?

>> No.19902818

>>19902161
He's technically a native speaker

>> No.19902822

>>19902812
remember it's 10000 ounces to fluency

>> No.19902854

>>19902209
vocaloid of gtfo.

>> No.19902863

可愛い妹の可愛い尻穴をしゃぶりたい

>> No.19902917

>>19902907
England expects that every man will do his duty

>> No.19902937

>>19902930
i can't read all of that. try using romanji next time

>> No.19902966

or do they?

>> No.19902970

>everyone, now day! strong exertion thread of people who like anime, cartoon picture, visual novel, small theory, video game's sun origin language.

>now day, still 2 hour interval by means of up, if you don't read and watch sun origin's media, revert the catalog down please.

>substance question? first read guide down please.

>front of thread.

How's my heisig?

>> No.19902978

makes me regret not doing rtk

>> No.19902991

>do rtk
>has a pretty good idea of what the entire paragraph says
>don't do rtk
>can understand the last to words
guess it's settled then

>> No.19902994

>>19902979
イエス

>> No.19902995

>>19902968
needs more honorifics, if anything

>お皆さん
>お漫画
>お小説
>お好き
>お日本語
>お時間
>おガイド

>> No.19902999

It needs at least three よかったら, as it is now it's not polite enough and it's really triggering me.

>> No.19903007

Please right it top-down right-left

>> No.19903034

>Tell people who are new to studying Japanese to read the guide
>Do it in Japanese they probably can't understand yet
エピック

>> No.19903048

If you want to tell them something then it would behoove you to do it in a way they can understand instead of making it incomprehensible to them then complaining later.

>> No.19903076

will mods allow it though?

>> No.19903259

who?

>> No.19903323

>>19903284
Reddit

>> No.19903358

>>19903284
Do you know the expression for "the pleasure of being cummed inside?" If not, go read hentai doujins in Japanese until you do.

>> No.19903374

>>19903298
>I have a strong foundation in hiragana
what about this one:

>> No.19903375

>>19903284
Read the ajatt table of contents. It explains what to do.

>> No.19903379

>>19903375
don't be silly the ajatt table of contents doesnt even go into the importance of pissing in jugs because thats reserved for paying customers

>> No.19903419

>>19903407
しゅうじきょうしつ?

>> No.19903428

>>19903407
Learn chinese

>> No.19903431

>>19903419
>リアル
>>19903428
It sounds disgusting.

>> No.19903454

>>19903437
the real question is what chinese have you been listening to.

>> No.19903469

>>19903431
あたしまちがった?

>> No.19903478

>>19903469
リアルの教室はダメという意味だよ

>> No.19903493

です

>> No.19903500

>>19903478
Stop being a little pussy. Unlike language acquisition writing is a craft where formal education is practically indispensable.

>> No.19903652

>>19903478
きょうしつをひらくのほうの

きょうしつだよ

>> No.19903840

>borrowed words
Why can't they just admit they stole them and they're not giving them back..

>> No.19903867

英語も言葉を盗んだ

>> No.19903868

watasi wa hidoi geri desu

>> No.19903884

>Wow Anon you know Japanese?!?!
>Y-yeah
>Cool! Could you try saying something
>Start stuttering and sound like a retard

>> No.19903954

>>19903947
he probably mistook that video of the world class calligrapher for matt, and then called that world class calligrapher's handwriting "decent". just some retard talking shit as always.

>> No.19903991

>>19903893
俺はパイナップルがいい

>> No.19904001

パイナップルに住む彼女が欲しい

>> No.19904017

why japanese kids spend like 12 years to learn kanji when they could just do rtk in 3 months?

>> No.19904025

>>19904017
Because Japanese culture values effort more than result.

>> No.19904030

>>19904017
lmao this

they'll also get to learn english along the way

>> No.19904047

>>19904030
Kek my dude.

>> No.19904052

>>19904030
>>19904047
Fucking epic, good posts my friends.

>> No.19904079

minna genkisoッ

>> No.19904126

わゎゎゎゎゎゎゎゎ

>> No.19904134

trying to "read" here guys stop making me alt tab to this gross place

>> No.19904155

its a simple exercise in self control my ninja

>> No.19904156

>>19904134

>> No.19904161

>>19904134
Try pressing alt+f4 instead

>> No.19904163

>>19904155
i'm really bored so it's hard not to get distracted

>> No.19904189

linuxfags need a life.

>> No.19904233

>>19904163
try keeping a pet like a turtle

>> No.19904313

you knowwhat would spruce that theme up some https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2e1Nc41Jmw

>> No.19904337
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>>19904249
Is this a normal thing? Can unaffiliated people just walk into universities like this?

>> No.19904350

i think its pretty much like if faculty or security stops you and asks for your student id and you dont got one they can throw you out but otherwise yes??

>> No.19904363

i audit jp 101 classes on the reg just to flex my kana knowledge

>> No.19904364

>>19904337
Construction workers used to come to my university's cafeteria every day because it's cheap. The back entrance is unattended.

>> No.19904423

筋肉。髪。舌。口。唇。目。瞼。鼻。
骨。胸。お腹。足。腕。頭。顔。頬。
耳。歯。首。背中。血。肩。指。尻。
(これを使う、新し日本語学生は助けるの易し練習できます)

>> No.19904426

>>19904337
At my university there is literally no check on who you are. I could eat at my university my entire life without them knowing. And without them caring.

>> No.19904455

Remember, never noru the tyousi

>> No.19904464

but do noru the ahiru boat ftw

>> No.19904580

>>19904299
That's just sad.

>> No.19904614

ぜったい
そのとおり
やっぱり
もちろん
why do they have a million ways to say this phrase..

>> No.19904627

welcome this is nukemarine presenting the suggested guide for japanese literacy a core series for the self study of japanese from basics and beginnings up to intermediate and hopefully advanced

>> No.19904657

>>19904650
Those could all translate to "I totally agree with that". They have quiet a lot of ways to say it. Different ones for slightly different situations.

>> No.19904667

>>19904614
English does this too.

>> No.19904717

>>19904675
貴方の日本語はに違いないとても上手

>> No.19904809

>>19904764
僕はまあまあだ、でも貴方よりいい。

>> No.19905026

>>19904614
They mean quite different things

>> No.19905034

>>19904809
>はに違いない
>まあまあ
YEET

>> No.19905058

>>19905026
意味はただちょっと違う
ど本当に違いますか?

>> No.19905076

>>19905058
Stop writing in Japanese if you obviously don't know Japanese. No the words have very big differences. English dictionaries might give similar definitions, but with enough immersion you will figure out what they really mean. When you say shit like "same phrase" you are translating. Stop that

>> No.19905107

>>19905076
お前は日本語をはなすのできません、やめろ
I grew up in japan faggot. Neck yourself.

>> No.19905164

>>19905143
he's trolling

>> No.19905180

>>19905166
I didn't know 10 year olds were allowed to post on 4chan.

>> No.19905195

>>19905166
>Nothing I wrote was bad
>(.........)ど本当に違いますか?
>(...)だ、でも貴方よりいい。
>(...)日本語はに違いない(...)
Also your kanji usage is really strange and not in a cool way. Using 貴方, but writing 話す with kana is just strange. It just gives the impression that you just learnt the kanji for あなた yesterday

>> No.19905198
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Learning Japanese is pretty fun

>> No.19905199
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>>19905180
stay shit at japanese and make believing you can understand it

>> No.19905207

>>19905195
I haven't done a lot of reading and writing to be honest, but thanks for the tips

>> No.19905216

>>19905199
I mistook ritu's head for white bread.

>> No.19905221

what the fuck kinda gay ass roleplaying is this like seriously who pretends to be a 50 iq redditor

>> No.19905248
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if only these goofy redditors had someone to look up to like we do

>> No.19905253

make his head taller

>> No.19905281

>>19905248
man I hope that's shooped.

>> No.19905282

>daily japanese thread
>full of people only speaking in english
>while saying everybody needs to do immersion
>and flaming people who type in japanese
ummmm

>> No.19905283

>>19905195
Also
>のできません
You can't use の with 出来る, at least in the fake VN Japanese I've been learning.

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>>19905287
>who says were not immersing right now

>> No.19905298

>>19905282
We wouldn't be here if we knew japanese

>> No.19905301

>>19905295
i have more than 1 monitor

>> No.19905306

>>19905282
i've never really seen the point in outputting here

>> No.19905316

Oh shit maatt deleted his legendary blog.
http://mattbonder.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-6.html

>> No.19905324

>>19905317
If you knew it, you would've laughed at me in japanese.

>> No.19905329

>>19905316
His real name's Matt Bonder? Time to start up my doxx machine

>> No.19905356

>>19905316
What did he even post here?

>> No.19905367

>>19905364
No, you need to use こと.

>> No.19905373

>>19905316
http://web.archive.org/web/20170628183238/http://mattbonder.blog.fc2.com
lol the last time he posted on it was 2012, who the fuck cares
also mattat's got a youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq7cRA6f91eut-uV01kZLew

>> No.19905378

>>19905367
Just found this straight from 知恵袋:
>とりあえず付き合ってみるというのができないのはダメなのでしょうか?

>> No.19905397
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19905397

>>19905378
というの isn't the same nominalizer as just の.
DoJG says it can't be used explicitly: https://core6000.neocities.org/dojg/entries/57.html

>> No.19905401

>>19905397
I linked the wrong entry.
https://core6000.neocities.org/dojg/entries/111.html

>> No.19905437

人生には難しいことがたくさんあるんだ。でもそれよりやらなきゃいけないこともいっぱいある
というわけでわたしはゲイ

>> No.19905467

>>19905426
韓国語すごく難しい

>> No.19905480

>I'm trying this duolingo
You can't learn Japanese

>> No.19905493

>>19905483
>Is there a secret underground learning club?
Yes, and you're in one right now. Either read the guide or continue shooting yourself in the leg, I don't care either way.

>> No.19905500

>>19905493
Interesting. I mean, I'm not very smart so I need repetition and a guiding hand. I have very poor memorizing skills and I was always terrible at school, so the only way for me to "Remember" something is to have it pounded into my head day after day after day in the same way.

>> No.19905502

Khatz has one of the fastest times on aqusition ever. His secret boils down to doing everything he normally did but in japanese. He said he even took his notes for college in japanese if he could. So food for thought to all of the people affraid to type japanese here. Plus what better than a place full of VN nerds who can correct you.

>> No.19905505

citation needed
thats not a secret
thats some placebo shit
no ones afraid
lol

>> No.19905506

What vidya, preferably JP only, would djt recommend?

>> No.19905507

>>19905502
日本語は難しい

>> No.19905513

>>19905483
the library

>> No.19905514

この我を倒せると思ったか
わははははーーーー!!!

>> No.19905517

>>19905467
宇宙人語は超難しい

>> No.19905521
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>>19905505

>> No.19905522

>>19905506
this isn't /v/ but I've played FE and danganronpa a few times and quite liked them so that

>> No.19905530

難しいのは日本語です

>> No.19905536

>>19905514
「倒す」だけじゃない、殺す!さー!フルパワーで切り込むわ!!これで終わり!奥義・炎龍剣!

>> No.19905545

aand that's a grand total of -178 IQ.

>> No.19905552

>>19905505
>placebo
I don't think that word means what you think it means kid

>> No.19905584

日本人に対して英語は同じように難しいんだぞ

>> No.19905602

>>19905517
宇宙人語って何?

>> No.19905644

>>19905489
i didn't say peterson was a scientist.

>> No.19905665

>>19905648
Lmao is this for real. Who writes cringy shit like this.

>> No.19905671

Doing Kanji reps atm. What percentage should my learning cards be?

>> No.19905680

>>19905671
>learning
fuck I meant mature

>> No.19905690

>>19905683
I didn't write cringy shit like that when I was that old.

>> No.19905693

>>19905671
百パーセント

>> No.19905695

>>19905690
I didn't write anything quite that cringy either but it's still in the realm of what I would expect.

>> No.19905768

>>19905648
Yikes

meanwhile 8 years later he's still an hikikimori shut in speaking english 90% of the time

>> No.19905814

>>19905506
素晴らしき日々

>> No.19905851

So Matt, khaz, and the rest are all liars who suck. Their methods were probably stupid and unnatural. There is no secret formula except hard work, dedication, and your ability to adapt.

>> No.19905856

now type that again but without the sarcasm

>> No.19905894

ずっととずっとずっと
..so thats a thing

>> No.19905897

"hard work, dedication, and your ability to adapt" is code for "reading lots of porn and listening to virtual youtubers"

>> No.19905941

>>19905897
>reading porn
>listening to youtube
wat.

>> No.19905946

>>19905897
>reading lots of porn and listening to virtual youtubers
neither of those is either of those

>> No.19905963

>>19905946
that's the joke.
>>19905941
yes you can get good at japanese from eroge and ASMR

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Bet you can't solve this riddle.

>> No.19906119

>>19906108
竹取物語。
たけ とり

>> No.19906121

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkkYF7O5erk

nihongo

>> No.19906238

>>19906095
簡単すぎる
他の人に謎を解かせるのをやめろ

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>Reading LNs in Japanese.
>It's actually fun.

Maybe I CAN learn Japanese?

>> No.19906284

skill hatudo aids no jutsu

>> No.19906289

>>19906279
dekinai

>> No.19906327

>>19906284

>> No.19906341
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the japanese language is a fucking meme

>> No.19906344

oh look it's that post that I definitely haven't seen 5000 times over

>> No.19906349

no its not

>> No.19906364

*sips soda and eats pizza snack while watching thread, not learning japanese*

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>>19906284
*dodges your aids*

>> No.19906432

>>19906341
as far as I know
今度
次回
前回
those are the most common uses for each time piece.

>> No.19906457

>>19906432
今すぐに

>> No.19906515

>>19906506
yea but you should branch out when you start feeling like it

>> No.19906526

>>19906515
>feeling like watching anything other than anime

>> No.19906527

>>19906506
It's inefficient on its own. And "just watching" isn't gonna be enough.

>> No.19906539

>>19906527
what about watching with subs?

>> No.19906546

>>19906539
Watching with Japanese subs > Watching without subs >>>>> dekinai >>>> watching with english subs.

>> No.19906560

>>19906546
Switch watching without subs and watching with japanese subs and we've got a deal

>> No.19906562

>>19906546
>>>>>>>>>>>>> browsing djt

>> No.19906570

>>19906506
Put japanese subtitles on and pause constantly looking up stuff, use animelon or daiweeb. But if you had to ask that you got quiet a ways to go..

>> No.19906581

>>19906560
>In order to test the potential learning effects derived from watching subtitled media, a group of intermediate Spanish students of English as a foreign language watched a 1h-long episode of a TV drama in its original English version, with English, Spanish or no subtitles overlaid. Before and after the viewing, participants took a listening and vocabulary test to evaluate their speech perception and vocabulary acquisition in English, plus a final plot comprehension test. The results of the listening skills tests revealed that after watching the English subtitled version, participants improved these skills significantly more than after watching the Spanish subtitled or no-subtitles versions

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0158409

Unless you have a study showing me this is not the case for Japanese, I'll have to assume it it true for Japanese as well.

>> No.19906589

>>19906570
think it would help to use subs2srs so you don't forget what you've learned?

>> No.19906592

>>19906584
Sound. which is a big factor in learning languages.

>> No.19906602

>>19906589
I just write that stuff down in evernote as I pause. I feel like writing it out helps memorize it too, but I think it's just a matter of preference.

>> No.19906608

>>19906581
After you can read the writing, as in after rtk1, it should be 100% true. Spanish can read english already.

>> No.19906609

>>19906581
The thing in there about non-verbatim subtitles is interesting because I feel like I really notice the small differences when I'm watching with non-verbatim subs.

>> No.19906612

>>19906597
It's hardly conclusive but there's been other studies and I think there's always been a small or no improvement with same-language subs over no subs. So it doesn't seem to hurt at least.

>> No.19906615

>>19906609
Yea Netflix does non-verbatim like crazy and it pisses me off. You got to use animelon or something like that.

>> No.19906616

>>19906615
Yeah but maybe it's actually beneficial since you're always noticing the little differences, so your brain is working harder or something.

>> No.19906618

>>19906597
Not him but, I've been using that method and with computers its even more effective. My skills are increasing exponantially in contrast to before.

>> No.19906624

>>19906615
Hmm Idk I'll have to test it out again and see. It's been a while since I tried theirs.

>> No.19906625

Anyway in the linked study the second episode is from the same series so maybe it's just that the participants were able to follow the plot better and thus have more context when they were watching without subs.

>> No.19906626

>>19906618
Sure but that's anecdotal. Other people listened to raws for a year and got good listening ability.

>> No.19906632

>>19906625
Actually in this case the Spanish sub participants should have done even better so nevermind.

>> No.19906643

>>19906626
I watched japanese tv for years and barely got better, or if I was getting better it wasn't nearly as noticeable to me. The ability to extrapolate on the fly from contextual situations is making very noticeable gains for me.

>> No.19906653

>>19906643
I wonder why you barely improved while some improved immensely. You're probably leaving something out.

>> No.19906662

>>19906653
The people watching the raws probably are pausing and lookinh up stuff too. When I watched japanese tv I never did that, so thats part of the problem.

>> No.19906678

>>19906669
Idk we never used subs..

>> No.19906682

yes and after wasting 10000 hours i felt like an idiot

>> No.19906698

real talk did you retards really think you could learn your native language without ever having to look things up liars who learned english with just listening to the people around them need not reply

>> No.19906720

>>19906673
when i first was looking into studying Japanese, i thought i could just learn the basics from a text book in a couple weeks then absorb everything else passively.

>> No.19906722

>>19906698
Just move to Japan by yourself, you'll do fine.

>> No.19906742

>>19906506
Yeah you can learn words like Nani, Ohayou Gozaimasu, Kawaii Desu, and Senpai

>> No.19906755

guys let's just ask the expert
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeOmc1nRGG4

>> No.19906762

>>19906755
His hair looked so fine before, why did he have to do a steve jobs cosplay

>> No.19906806

>>19906790
I watched a lot of the vlogs of ajatters and the ones with the most progress are doing a lot of sentence mining, anki, looking things up essentially. You don't want to just raw listen.

>> No.19906815

>>19906806
of course but looking stuff up isn't the same as relying on subtitles

>> No.19906822

>>19906815
An ajatter using jsubs is how I found out about animelon and he said if he had discoverd it earlier he would be way further along.

>> No.19906832

The true issue lies in finding subtitles for good anime.

>> No.19906834

日本語は難しい

>> No.19906835

>>19906822
using jsubs isn't the same as relying on them. he probably did a lot of raw listening too.

>> No.19906844

>>19906835
He claims listening fluency in 6 months which is pretty incredible.

>> No.19906850

>>19906844
especially when you consider that nobody has learned japanese that fast. so the fact he listened to both raws and watched with subtitles isn't what granted him fluency. it was his superhuman brain.

>> No.19906911 [DELETED] 

>>19906869
I'm around 2020 kanji deep in 6 months though. One of the fastest I've seen. I went into it roughly knowing about 400 though. I also know most of the readings, idk how much he knows of his cards. Surprised he only knows 1500 after 6 months though.

>> No.19906948

When you add 〜てある to a verb, does it then become an ichidan verb ending in る, or does the new ending not conjugate?

>> No.19906979

>>19906948
it's godan

>> No.19906990

>>19906966
>jcat score
I still have not seen a single AJATTer take the JCAT. I don't think any have taken the JLPT either.

>> No.19906992

>>19906869
even while filming that video he's listening to raw audio. also i checked his 1 year update video and his self-purported skills seem to line up with all other ajatters i've seen.

>> No.19907005

>>19906928
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1O1halQ74A

I started to watch this one but had to turn it off after he translated 謎の機械 as "the confused machine." I cannot compete with AJATT level fluency.

>> No.19907021

>>19906992
He's also training to be a NinjaWarrior competitor and working full time so the fact he's at the typical ajatters level speaks volumes. He also claims a very noticeable improvement from using sites like animelon. I mean you can just use raws if you want but I think you're having too much faith on magical aquisition.

>> No.19907023

>>19907009
彼は自閉症児だ

>> No.19907043

>>19906869
Looks like a manlet desu

>> No.19907054

>>19907021
he didn't mention the number of hours he dedicated to active study.
>I think you're having too much faith on magical aquisition.
his results are completely in line with everyone else who's done it. did they do something magical, or is raw listening accompanied with reading and sentence mining sufficient? kinda seems like the latter.

>> No.19907060

>>19906990
lol you know matt has taken the N1 by now and he probably failed. Hence his rants about how it's pointless. How can he do ajatt for 8 years and not pass the N1. People need to stop taking everything he says as gospel.

>> No.19907111

>be me
>;-;

>> No.19907113

>>19907103
You can't read over 2000 kanji in 7 weeks. RTK doesn't count.

>> No.19907123

>>19907113
someone post that vocaroo proving otherwise

>> No.19907153

>>19907066
ああ、そうか?
でも、帰るが”かえる”から五段動詞だ、exceptionはどうですか?

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>>19905329

>> No.19907171

>>19907153
i thought the rule you were talking about was
>verbs ending in いる or える verbs conjugate like ichidan.
>verbs that don't end in those endings are godan
帰る ends in える, but it is a godan, so it is an exception to that rule.

>> No.19907211

what are some sites like miniclip with flash games in Japanese?

>> No.19907217

>>19907211
http://gamedesign.jp
theres a fun dungeon crawler on there

>> No.19907250

nihingo?

>> No.19907345

I want to read Western comics like Batman or Spiderman in Japanese

>> No.19907347

Reminder to 消す any 片仮名 words you come across in core.

>> No.19907350

i want to watch the last airbender in japanese

>> No.19907508

>>19907347
why?

>> No.19907520

Grabbed Narnia and Harry Potter html versions off djt site. Read through a grammar guide. Think I can get through either of them?

>> No.19907527
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19907527

Finished all the Japanese in this town

>> No.19907541

>tfw overhear two old people speaking Japanese and in need of help
>hide powerlevel and help them in English
>Japanese turns out to be useful for once

>> No.19907559

>>19907541
>tfw I will NEVER be able to help people using Japanese

>> No.19907564

>>19907559
>According to the 2010 US Official Census, there were 13,224 people of Japanese descent living in Florida.
>tfw I'll never get to eavesdrop on some on 11s

>> No.19907576

>>19907508
Useless
>ラケット
If you need Anki to remember that this is racket, fucking kill yourself.
99% of katakana words are a complete waste of time putting into Anki.

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>>19907552
It's on the first place a sensible person would check when something stops existing on the internet

>> No.19907616

>>19907126
>I know all of the reading of about 700, I know partial readings for about 700 and the rest I know just the keyword.
anything relating to kanji that you study which isn't a word is just masturbation
i hope you've had a good time masturbating 8 hours every single day

>> No.19907620

Is there something like VN core but without the reading on the front

>> No.19907633

>>19907629
>he doesn’t do vocab like he does lazy kanji
You can’t learn Japanese

>> No.19907663

who said they were learning japanese for that content and not just as something interesting to consume on the side

>> No.19907673

>>19907656
He's probably talking about the VN deck made by Reddit, as opposed to the VN deck made by someone here more recently.

>> No.19907731

>>19907610
i checked the wayback machine and it kept giving me an error. Is it just me or is there another place?

>> No.19907775

>>19907610
nevermind, ignore this >>19907731
i was able to save it even though it loaded a blank page on the wayback machine. thanks faggot

>> No.19907797

>>19907552
out of pure curiosity why do you want it

>> No.19907847

なんでこうなった

>> No.19907908

someone should submit vn core 1250 (the copy with typo fixes) to ankiweb and see what happens

>> No.19907914

>>19907830
Do run on sentences even exist in Japanese grammar?

>> No.19907929

>>19907830
are you reading an LN or an adaptation of a WN

or a normal novel that westerners think is an LN because it has an anime adaptation and is part of a long series

>> No.19907970

>>19907958
i think you're imagining something that isn't actually a thing
open up a random piece of long form english writing and see how long the longest sentences are

>> No.19908002

>>19907970
It might just stand out to me more because I'm not good at Japanese, but at the same time, I feel like the average English language YN novel doesn't feature a sentence this long:
>サンタクロースをいつまで信じていたかなんてことはたわいもない世間話にもならないくらいのどうでもいいような話だが、それでも俺がいつまでサンタなどという想像上の赤服じーさんを信じていたかと言うとこれは確信をもって言えるが最初から信じてなどいなかった。
>そんなこんなでオフクロがサンタにキスしているところを目撃したわけでもないのにクリスマスにしか仕事をしないジジイの存在を疑っていた賢しい俺なのだが、宇宙人や未来人や幽霊や妖怪や超能力や悪の組織やそれらと戦うアニメ的特撮とくさつ的漫画的ヒーローたちがこの世に存在しないのだということに気付いたのは相当後になってからだった。
Like, that's the very first two sentences of the first volume of Haruhi.

>> No.19908005

>>19907914
Yes.

>>19908002
Kek, I was just about to post that.

>> No.19908038

>>19908002
Both of these sentences are very simple and only seem longer than they actually are due to the lack of punctuation, which comes to the fact that Japanese doesn't use punctuation the same way English does.

>> No.19908059

>>19908038
They're still run-on sentences, which was the point. Difficulty is a red herring and lack of punctuation is part of what makes it a run-on sentence, along with the nesting of clauses.

>> No.19908078

>>19908059
>They're still run-on sentences
They're not, because 1) run-on sentences are ungrammatical and 2) they don't exist in Japanese.

>> No.19908079

>>19908072
My thoughts are that I wish I committed to learning this shit when I was 10 years younger than I am right now, so I could have time to actually enjoy it.

>> No.19908084

>>19908079
But you could enjoy it tomorrow with this technique. And who knows, maybe repeatedly doing this once a month will eventually lead to a permanent fluency.

>> No.19908086

>>19908002
tl;dr
>俺はサンタクロースの存在は初めから信じていなかった。
>しかし、宇宙人や未来人や幽霊などもやはり存在しないのだと気付いたのはもっと成長してからだった。

>> No.19908110

>>19908072
Why not cram core10k in one day instead? Why stop at core3k?

>> No.19908117

>>19908072
requesting that post that explained why this is a terribad idea

>> No.19908146

Well I'm going to go get started. When it works, I'll post my results to YouTube.

>> No.19908190

>>19908072
This will unironically turn you better at the language than Nuke in under a week

>> No.19908204

>>19908110
Because 10k would take longer than 24 hours.

>> No.19908232

>>19908072
The worst part about this post is not recommending you do Tae Kim too. There’s no fluency with just vocabulary. You need grammar too.

>> No.19908341

Fuck man. I'm going back to uni in a week and I have around 220 kanji left that I need to go through words are easy, I don't need to worry about those when I go back, same with general reading. Would slowing it down to 10 a day be the right way to go about it?

>> No.19908355

>>19908309
whys his haircut so retarded

>> No.19908363

>>19908348
I would but I'd be a dead man if that happened, besides I have a shit ton of work when it comes to uni as well, I only really started doing bits this may when my exams were finished.

>> No.19908413

https://youtu.be/hO0PxqDXhUQ?t=9082

N4 might be too hard for Nuke

>> No.19908435

>>19908341
Just stop and read more stuff.

You don't have 220 kanji left, you have literally every Kanji that ever shows up in a game, book, sign, show, etc. I realized how pointless "chasing the jouyou" was when I realized A) how easy it is and B) exactly how often non-jouyou show up all over the damn place. I think I stopped caring around 1500 "seen" Kanji and just flashcarded the odd word here or there because I was seeing the most common stuff often enough that simply reading was its own SRS.

>> No.19908499

>>19907123
https://vocaroo.com/i/s0TQaQdpnUPf

>> No.19908624

>>19908413
It's a 3 hour video. Got a TL-DW about your point?

>> No.19908636

>>19908624
>?t=9082

>> No.19908638

>>19908413
It's stunning to think that a name I saw, what, 15 years back when I considered learning Japanese for the first time is STILL struggling with N4 while I'm reading novels after a couple of years of light study.

How on earth can you not know N4 vocab at this point? What the fuck has he even been doing all this time?

>> No.19908641

>>19908413
Loooool

>> No.19908647

>>19908636
He scored 22 out of 30 points on an N3 test, so anon thinks he's not ready for N4?

>> No.19908657

>>19908647
I just opened the stream from a random point and he was taking a test so I thought it was N4 since its in the title.

>> No.19908674

>>19908657
Ah, ok. Seems he started the N4 test at "?t=10m10s". Dude definitely struggles.

>> No.19908694

辛いよ
もう、生きたくない

>> No.19908710

Anyone got the TangoJLPT books PDF?

>> No.19908752

>>19908687
Quick search from Kanji Koohii forums shows that he took a break from 2015-02-28 to 2016-05-10 but other than that he has been constantly posting about learning Japanese from 2007.

>> No.19908857

>>19908752
Fuck, I see his problem. Way too much time talking about studying Japanese than watching it.

>> No.19908875

>>19908072
>it will put you in a state of temporary fluency.
this is a really well-crafted shitpost punchline i enjoyed it

>> No.19908981

>つぐなう
>あがなう
>おぎなう

>> No.19909005

>わななく
>おののく

>> No.19909605

>>19908875
made me laugh initially and then again a few seconds later

>> No.19909922
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19909922

finished my reviews for the day

>> No.19909933

>>19909922
8888888888888

>> No.19909938

>>19909933
?

>> No.19909948

>>19909938
ARE YOU A FUCKING BRAINLET?

>> No.19909950

>>19909948
yea why?

>> No.19910030
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19910030

>spending an hour and a half every day doing reviews

>> No.19910035

2 hours anki, 1 hour reading, 2 hours listening. there's no way i won't learn japanese doing this every day.

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