/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Learning Japanese is fun!

>>19828478

otsu time for reading

youve done thousands of flashcards surely you should have no problem with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKV0rE1RlMo#t=148

出動

I read an interview with James Heisig where he mentioned learning to speak Japanese by playing with children, somewhere up in the mountains. How could you even make this stuff up? So when I heard the man was in Tokyo, I knew I had to ask him about it.

Because here’s the extent of what I learned from children by teaching grade school in Japan for several years: The word for lunch. How to say “I’m so cold.” How to say “I’m so hot.” How to grab your teacher’s penis and exclaim “bigu sticku.” How to insert your fingers up his butt in a move known as the kancho. Beyond that, children typically ramble about some toy or cartoon or playground game. They’re not going to coach you on how to make hotel reservations or order up another plate of gyoza. The idea that one could learn to speak from them is insane. They can’t even use the language decently themselves. That’s because they’re freaking kids.

I met Heisig at a writer’s workshop. He seemed a pleasant enough fellow, and a fine teller of grandiose stories. After listening to his well-polished tale about singlehandedly inventing a way of learning Japanese characters that millions of Japanese folks had never thought of in their thousands of years of history, I finally got a chance to ask him, “How did you learn to speak it?”

“I played baseball with the kids,” was his reply. “Up in the mountains. In Nagano.

“You played baseball?” I asked. “With children?

“Yep.

“And that’s how you learned to speak Japanese?

“Sure. Children are the best teachers.”

Now, that sounds reasonable. Everybody nodded. But it isn’t reasonable. It sounds good, but it’s actually nuts. Children are the worst teachers. They make no damn sense.

You know, over the years, I’ve asked many people how they learned Japanese, and their answers consistently fall into one of two categories. They either describe a systematic method pursued diligently over the course of several years, or they make up some convenient bullshit because they don’t really want to respond to the question. I looked at Heisig, and had my answer.

how long have you been trying to learn japanese and how much of this do you understand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljMfQ502GCM#t=126

I've been preparing to learn Japanese for 3 months now. First I did RTK, now I've been studying DoJG in anki and reading Tae Kim. Another week and I'll get through the last two sections and then start reading. Can't wait!

Playing Pokemon counts as reading?

>>19828549
what are you going to read?

>>19828573
what it should count as is having fun first and foremost

if you really must be reading then read this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE0cVhQdh30

>>19828611
One of these.

Nick sounds like such a good guy. I'd rather he was the one who was paragon of Japanese fluency instead of Matt, because of how more pleasant he's as a human being + he talks in very concise and interesting way without even using edits.

What are some things you can do besides mining to improve your vocabulary/speed up vocab acquisition?

sorry i only like good galge

>>19828625
Who's Nick? The newest flavor of the month e-celeb?

>>19828533
It's not 1978 anymore. You have NetFlix and YouTube. Don't bitch or worry about how a guy that already knew multiple languages pulled off learning Japanese in Japan pre-internet.

He had to play baseball with kids. You get to watch FMA:B. Take the win you lazy dick.

>>19828633
yep, he's from matt's new video but all he does in the video is talk about how his girlfriend was a slut or something

here are his credentials https://soundcloud.com/mattbonder/nick-speaking-japanese

>>19828633
nicks actually the first white guy that got posted in this thread that knows japanese pretty good if youre not counting stuff like the people like the ign jp bros

>>19828625
plus he has a job as an interpretator in an engineering company and Matt is still a NEET

>>19828637
the only difference is heisig learned japanese and you got turned into a half human half dog chimera that can sometimes bark in japanese

>>19828644

Matt basically gets $15/hour (assuming 40 hours/week) from his Patreon. Self-employed is still employed.

>>19828627
read more

>>19828656
self employed also pays double taxes after patreon took their cut

>>19828661
So he gets 80% of something and you get 100% of nothing. I'm sure you think your dumbass is doing so much better.

>>19828500

>>19828682
i definitely get more than 20k a year without being a fraudulent leader of a nerdy little cult lets just put it that way lol

>has a job
not gonna make it

>>19828656
that money is fucking nothing, I have American friends and what Matts get wouldn;t be enough for shit if he didn't live with his parents
$2000 off Patreon is fucking HUGE in Eastern Europe, but not in the USA

>>19828700
no jobs are what you and those like you are gonna have to get when your parents kick you out

>he's been brainwashed by his government

>is jealous of those who get money

>whatever helps him sleep

>do you see how much i post i dont sleep

>there are people who have trouble pronouncing Japanese like つ
Is this the power of having 10000 hours of anime under my belt? Can’t mess up pronouncing things like つんでれ？

vocaroo yourself calling me a tundele and ill decide

>>19828738
I can't mess this sound up because I have it in my language under the letter of 'c' + all Japs vowels have same pronunciation in my language
1:1 Japanese accent here

>greentext is the new blacktext

>your face

>>19828744
>1:1 Japanese accent here
vocaroo.com

>>19828743
>>19828755
https://vocaroo.com/i/s1oaOyng8TRO

your face
>wow haven't heard that one since highschool

>not living in a always high school delusion by watching anime and playing eroge 24/7

>>19828759

>>19828756
lol JPOP fans know the horror of these terrible cover videos on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnvlfZJHxnI

>true dat

ore wa serval tiger

>>19828774
is that hikaru utada singing this

>ore

>>19828778
ole wah gay taigaah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcujQwmEcl0#t=11

>>19828702
>I have American friends and what Matts get wouldn;t be enough for shit
If you're not a retard with your money $2k is plenty. But obviously it's much better in Eastern Europe and elsewhere.

>>19828780
this is 宇多田 https://youtu.be/SvgtOUyMoHE?t=38s

>>19828791
honto dahhh!!!

>>19828627
Listening helps you acquire shit better.

>>19828633
Someone who is good at Japanese and also thinks Matt is good at Japanese, so people in this thread praising Nick are praising Matt as well.

>>19828774
可愛いですね

>>19828799
its important to note nick thinks matt is good for what he is which is different from actually being good

to put it another way hes saying he thinks that kid matt in the wheel chair has a pretty good half court jumper

>>19828738
Maybe I'm not clearly understanding how つ actually sounds but I feel like there are words in American English where you have to produce the same sound.

>>19828795
Been trying to do more listening lately since it's something I've neglected a lot so far, but I really don't feel like I get anything out of it. Maybe if I used Japanese subs it might help me to pick up words and such better.

>>19828805
I doubt the vowel part of it exists but in words like "tights" you get do very close to the "ts" part of tsu

>>19828827
You probably don't listen a lot.

>>19828827
if you watch 10000 hours of anime youll see the benefits i promise

if you dont then you wont and will suck forever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CIbBugfqeQ#t=74

>>19828505
youve done thousands of flashcards surely you should have no problem with this
https://youtu.be/-vZeGRBeE3U?t=71

>>19828641
Is he the one who mentioned that he went to Japan and got a gf who was a "hostess" but ended up learning that hostess is a Japanese slang term for prostitute the hard way months into the relationship when he glanced at her phone messages?

>>19828847
i havent but luckily listening to the ear splitting noise pollution quickly fills any gaps

It's this shit any good?
https://www.duolingo.com/

Where can I download the source for new guide's DoJG page?
I'd like to have it offline

>>19828827
improvement isn't that tangible over a short period of time, you should spend a few months listening to some high volume content

if 10000 hours of anime isn't doing it for you go for 10000 hours of seiyu rajio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix2oJMX94bg

>>19828875
just read the guide man

>>19828879
Seiyu rajio?

>>19828894
声優ラジオ learn your romajis its the 4th alphabet of japanese

>>19828906
I know what the words are, I was asking about the concept. Never heard of it before.

>>19828910
Pretty self explanatory.
Anime voice actors talking on radio using the voices of the characters they voice.

in other words it completely ruins your immersion

>>19828926
So it's just them talking about the show to advertise it then? Or can they just talk about whatever they want?

>>19828931
Sounds like it would.

>>19828827
The improvement is gradual. You won't notice it over short periods. Your subconscious mind will just gradually get better at parsing syllables, separating words, and recognizing vocabulary that you didn't realize you knew. That's why it takes months really. You won't notice right away, you won't even notice while in the middle of it, but you're definitely improving so long as you don't space out and think about Doritos instead of listening.

それは永遠に救われないDJTだった

>>19828910
voice actors come on a livestream and talk about the making of the anime and read fanmail, basically like any other radio show if you're ever listened to the radio in your life

pretty straightforward

not all shows do it but they're good listening practice and have interesting behind the scenes info

>>19828926
it's out of character

>>19828931
>>19828937
how the fuck would it ruin your immersion

>>19828879
>tfw getting to laugh along with your favorite seiyuu like you understand them

>>19828951
>>19828956

>>19828966
Nani does this face imisuru

>>19828948
Listening also helps with your reading speed, ironically enough. Sure, you KNOW how the syllables sound, but having constant reinforcement means less background calculations for your mind to make when your eyes glance over kana. You'll learn how the syllables flow into one another better so can breeze through sentences easier even if you don't understand what the sentence means, just because you've listened so much.

Grammar also sticks better when you hear it in use rather than read it, since when you're reading you're prone to stopping and overthinking the anatomy of a sentence where as when you listen you're forced to take it at the speaker's pace and their intonations/emphasis can help you understand context where silent text wouldn't. Like I said, it won't be immediate, you'll have very minor "aha, I know what that means" moments that stand out, but you'll slowly build bridges in your mind.

>>19828989
DJT group Skype convo where

God, I hate the borrowed words so fucking much. If they like English so much why not just abandon runes and use it instead.

>>19828956
>how the fuck would it ruin your immersion
You don't want to think of the VAs as people. You want to hear the voice as if it was the character speaking, not some actor reading lines in front of a microphone. If you come to associate the voice with a person, it ruins your immersion in the show.

Why would you want to listen to retarded beginners speaking broken Japanese when you have hours and hours of media.

>>19829019
>he doesn’t realize loan words can be from any language and not just English

>>19829022
because this・is・djt *kicks u into giant hole*

>>19829024
I only see English words everywhere. Reading is maybe easier, but fuck me when I try to write them from memory.

>>19829022
初心者なんてない
言葉で戦おう

>>19829020
do you even watch anime? it's impossible to watch japanese toons and not start to conflate the characters based on voice actor, radio aside, because there are only so many good voice actors out there in japan and they act in damn near every show that gets made

you're just going to have to keep exercising some suspension of disbelief on that front

>>19829050
holy shitttt lmao

>>19829041
anata wa sude ni haiboku simasita

>>19828956
>>19829050

>>19829058
いやなによ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9ufP3Kn4Uk

>>19829050
>it's impossible to watch japanese toons and not start to conflate the characters based on voice actor
I know, and every time I notice "Oh, it's X from Y" it kills my immersion, and from that point on every time that character speaks I can't help but think about character X from show Y who's voiced by the same person. I can only imagine how much worse this would be (and how much more difficult it would be to suspend my disbelief) if I had actual human beings to associate the voices with instead.

>>19829069
>Nico voicing a trap

if you really want your immersion killed go look at all the vas that are fuckin dead

:(

>>19829069
Maybe it's my high IQ that prevents this from happening to me.

and this my friends is the reason you need to get your ass back to the 80s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTOZhZSr6RY

you mean back when newbie actors got major roles? i'm down

lmao u are actually insufferable

>>19829069
that's unfortunate, it's literally these people's job to help you do that and some of them do it good

I don't watch toons for "immersion" though I watch them for fun

this is complaining that the dude reading your fictional audiobook for you isn't a fictional dude

>sees his teacher on an off day
>やたら車高を下げたヤンキー仕様のマイカーで通勤してたはずだから、近所住みじゃないはずだし

I think the second part is saying that (also) he didn't think she lived in this neighborhood but I don't understand the first part at all. I'm sure its easy so sorry in advance.

i was being unironic dude

can u stop killing my immersion

a diverse pool of actors is good for casting otherwise you end up with things like tohsaka rin voicing some old hag in railgun

tohhsaka rin shouldnt even have a voice now cut it out before i start roiding out over my immersion

Anki desktop doesn't play audio, but android does. So I know my deck isn't the problem, but why the fuck doesn't it work on desktop? Obviously checked my sound settings to make sure Anki wasn't muted/low volume and obviously have sound elsewhere.

>>19829105
>やたら車高を下げた
very lowered
>ヤンキー仕様の
yankie as heck

both modifying マイカー (personal automobile)

>マイカーで通勤してたはず
under the impression that she used said personal automobile (which was lowered and therefore ヤンキー as heck) to commute to her location of employment


>>19829119
>>19829148
this is ruining my immersion

>>19829152
Are you on Linux? Have you installed mplayer? Did you install Anki according to the instructions on the Anki site like a good boy instead of using the version from your distro's repo?

>>19829106
>>19829110
>>19829119
>>19829148
Can you please contain your autism to one post? You're making the thread hit the bump limit quicker than it needs to.

>>19829158
thanks

>>19829191
by the way 仕様 doesnt actually mean heck just making sure i leave that as a tl note

>turns out the chinese only have one reading and one meaning per kanji which is why they have so many characters
What were the Japanese thinking bros?

>>19829179
50% isnt a passing score amigo

>>19829209
world domination mostly and fucking in caves

>>19829225
I thought they fucked in little grass huts like in the film Onibaba.

>>19829167
On Windows, using the Core pack from the anki setup section of the itazuraneko guide. Here's a screenshot of my card template. All I did was add the image at the bottom.

>>19829230
i mean they fucked anywhere anytime but the caves hold a special significance

>>19829238
Why did they stop fucking?

I've hit a snag in my studies. Is there anyway to fix a broken immersion or am I just fucked? I've tried adding more Anki cards and re-watching Matt videos, but nothing is working.

>>19829209
Why have 50000 characters when you can just remember a couple thousand with multiple meanings and readings? It’s so much easier!

>>19828878
which page, there's like four

>>19829240
they stopped givin a fuck

>>19829245
Matt recommends active listening and reading a lot so try that.

you mean matt agrees with already established methods yes he does that is correct

What is the significance of the ご in ご注文 which you see at food stalls? Is it just a more polite way of saying "Order here"?

>>19829267
Yea of course, but what does that have to do with anon not following Matt's advice?

>>19829245
Have you tried rewatching the video with Nick?

>>19829272
whos matt

>>19829225
>world domination
>world being the island of Japan
>now completely filled to the brim
>overpopulated and now losing population because of lack of breeding
Based. Didn’t expect a true story.

>>19829279
a djter who makes videos about learning japan
search for matt vs japan on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-TqyBgFZn0&t=2898

Man these guys LOVE conformity and HATE confrontation. Really bad stuff.

>>19829284
all i can find are vids of a pale white guy ripping off other people and trying to sound smart

>>19829281
They were going for actual world domination but that got wrapped up along with ww2.

>>19829289
yeah that's the guy

>>19829293
apparently he has some blog too from a time when he was more true to himself and not trying to be a fake

http://mattbonder.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-6.html

>>19829304
But he's open about how he used to feel this way and how it was unhealthy and he's trying to spread word to others, which is why he uploaded the video of Nick.

>>19829306
How is the video of Nick related?

>>19829306
hes lying about that he still wants it he cant throw his seishun dreams away

>>19829311
because nick is on the other absolute polar end of the spectrum (yes that spectrum lmao)

>>19829312
He should have just become a japanese lets-player or something instead of the leader of an english-speaking japan cult.

Just did my first day in Anki, noticed that the guide said word reviews should be about 10 times the amount of new cards you learned later(so about 200 per 20 new cards). Do word reviews show up in the subsequent days since I've only done one lesson so far? I feel empty after only doing 7 or so minutes of learning today.

>>19829237
>{{Vocabulary-Audio}}
>{{Sentence-Audio}}
No reason why it shouldn't be working if these fields are present. I haven't used Windows in a long time so I can't really remember how it works, but is it possible that you've muted Anki in your audio settings?

Anyhow, check your collection.media folder (not sure where it is on Windows, sorry) and ensure all the audio files are in there. If not, I'm pretty sure there's a download out there somewhere for all the Core media which you should be able to just copy-paste into your collection.media folder.

>>19829330
Yeah, they ramp up over time.

If you want to go spend more time learning there's nothing stopping you. Better get started on those 10000 hours of anime you will need to start reading.

>>19829330
With that spare time you can and should start reading right away but if you're not motivated I get it. Your reviews will ramp up and you'll want to hang yourself later. But don't do that since we love you.

>>19829306
>>But he's open about how he used to feel this way and how it was unhealthy
He claims in his AJATT journey video that he became disillusioned with Japan while he was there and came to hate the country as a result of his experience, but this blog post pours cold water all over that claim. This post is clearly made after he got back from Japan, yet here he is still fondly reminiscing over it:
>It makes me truly miss it, being in Japan. I have happy memories like no other. [...] I want to go to Japan so much; more than anything.

>>19829372
He went to Japan twice you retard. Catch up on your Matt lore.

Is there some sort of full Matt biography I can read?

Here's an idea, why doesn't he write one in Japanese?

theres really no point to generate japanese content for people who cant read it

>>19829397

http://mattbonder.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-6.html

>>19829419
bada bing bada boom lmao

rtk is mental torture

>>19829428
I never missed a day doing RTK even though I loathed it. And I didn't do lazy kanji like Matt did. Is my mental stamina out of this world?

>>19829418
He would be doing it for me.

>>19829441
depends on how many you did a day

>>19829447
25 across the board. Phew.

>>19829428
>>19829447
This has inspired me. I'm going to blog post in a spreadsheet and talk about how badly I want to jerk off to Nukige like a native could.

>>19829452
isnt that what the rest of the brainlets in the mia cult do every day?

>>19829463
Yes but Matt often did less than 30 and he did lazy kanji so even if this followers are more autistic than me, I'm more autistic than him. I know there are autist gods who have done 100 a day like yoga. Praise to them.

>>19829419
Good god, japanese word wrapping is absolute cancer.

>>19829442
in which case hes already generated enough "japanese" content that you should be thoroughly disinterested in more japanese content from him

>>19829486
Has he? I'm interested.

>>19829499
enjoy your disappointment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cHkYO9lWO8

>>19829521
oh I already saw that one, that's why I want to see him do something with his nihongo that isn't just showing himself off to natives.

>>19829530
he has nothing else he can do because he has nothing outside of that just like as a person which is what i mean when i say you should be thoroughly disinterested

>>19829528
thats actually me

>>19829533
I know he won't do anything else because that's the mold his personality forces him into, but I guess I want him to change for his sake and everyone else's.

>>19829521
Is she a whore or something?

>>19829539
i mean hes still got a chance but i doubt it his life is prolly permanently crippled

>>19829528
>好きな事させてあげる
I almost understood this sentence because I just read about the causative form on TK. I'm gonna make it you guys!

>>19829288
>59:55
>My answer is just keep immersing and your brain will figure it out.
>If you feel like you're running into a grammatical point and you don't understand it, don't add it as a card, just look it up.
>The important thing is to just keep immersing. Don't make adding cards your focus.

Is he right?

>>19829584
yes

>>19829252
That's the thing, I want them all
The backup link seems outdated

>>19829584
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-TqyBgFZn0&t=2898
yes. massive input can help you learn a lot lot of things. most people just mistake how much input they really need

>>19829537
You're a cute slutty Tsundere as well? There's at least 10 of us in this thread!

>>19829627
no the old guy who just like to go fishin

>>19829627
also i have a butt on my chest

>>19829608
>most people just mistake how much input they really need
And how much would that be?

>>19829699
10000 hours of anime just to get started

after that it depends on you

>>19829528
Cute. I can’t read some parts though.

>>19829528
I've read 10000 hours of anime and I could almost understand this. We're gonna make it, bros!

>>19829528
>はぁ

Ok, I'm confused already. Matt didn't fucking prepare me for this, wtf...

>>19829738
Matt recommends immersion, just like Nick does. So you should be able to deal with anything.

>>19829738
>>19829732
>>19829723
>>19829564
The problem is that you're trying to read that. It's manga, it's not for reading. Try eating it and then see if you can understand it.

>>19829717
Can you try doing something besides quoting Khatzumoto for once?

how do you eat digital manga

>>19829798
ok hang on

>>19829528
since a lot of people seem to have issues with this page heres a scanlation

>>19829738
>>19829732
>>19829723
>>19829564

Seriously? I'm like lower intermediate and I could easily read through it and understand completely without pause. Am I underestimating my level?

>>19829839
I haven't even read any Japanese beyond TK so you shouldn't compare yourself to me.

>>19829839
I skimp out on reading practice. I focus more so on listening and speaking.

>>19829839
Is this that imouto hemorrhoid game?

>>19829839
i wish her the best for her hole

>>19829353
Thanks. I guess it's better to start sooner than later.

>>19829359
Yeah I'll try to start reading asap; probably more productive than playing kuso mobage

>>19828706
I'll know Japanese by then and then I'll get a job with it

>>19829851
Yeah, that probably explains it then.I put zero focus on speaking, but I do a lot of listening though. I'd say I probably read more? I like manga (inb4 "that's not reading")

>>19829892
you won't like it and you'll feel bitter and depressed about it

>>19829892
believe it

>>19829892
lol no and no

>>19829892
don't worry anon I believe in you

>>19829914
what is she doing?

shes about to do her tubgirl impression

>>19829942
that shit takes me back to very dark days

How many boirojikkyou have you taken today, Anon?

>>19829914
nat?

>>19829892
I said this to myself 8 years ago, bro. Then I abruptly got kicked out, had to be homeless for a bit, and had to work hard from the bottom (fucking counting pallets of product in a warehouse) to eventually a cushy office job in the inventory systems management team when they eventually realized my talents were wasted doing grunt work. It took this long, but I'm finally getting back into Japanese since I don't have to work 70 hour work weeks anymore, worked on my depression, and got a fujo gf who wants me to translate doujin for her.

Good thing is that I retained a lot more than I thought I did despite not actively learning for so long. Guess the fact that I still watched anime and at least read Japanese tweets for news here and there helped keep things from falling out?

>>19829970
now this is seishun

>>19829564
It says I'll do something for you that you'll like

>>19829970
>when they eventually realized my talents were wasted doing grunt work
how?

>>19829978
I didn't want to assume who was the one being given something they'd like but maybe I should have known that based on あげる being used as opposed to that other one TK mentioned that means to receive. Also the drawing probably makes it really obvious.

>>19829600
あげる
https://mega.nz/#F!mvhFyAqB!gAo8hZQHt_bzmYs8rEOq0A

>>19830002
don't just listen to any old guy on the internet telling you what some japanese means

for the record it means "i'll let you do anything you want"

i made a fuckin scanlation so this wouldnt happen >>___<<<< >>19829835
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>>19829835
>>19829835
>>19829835

>>19829839
>An entire paragraph about being anal pained

Why are Japanese games so based?

>>19830021
the best part is its somethnig the average erogamer experiences in their life and its nice to have a nice 2d girl that understands and knows what youve been through or alternatively you understand and know what shes going through

>>19829839
>Am I underestimating my level?
No, your shitpost detector is just malfunctioning.

Do you think イっちゃう is more feminine than 逝く?
I've heard women use it in JAV but never men.

>>19829839
>>19829853
Picked up once I figure out the title.

the っちゃう literally implies youre cumming from inside your feminine caves but a boy pussy would also be acceptable

>>19829984
I'd go into the office to drop my paperwork, look at the mismanagement and disarray around, and blatantly just say things like
>You can just have Excel automate that for you, and we'd have less paperwork to file away and waste time with if we kept documents electronically instead

In the least smart-ass way I could. They already had interest in me because I put Japanese on my resume (literally hired me over someone else just because of that, since it "showed initiative to go above and beyond" or whatever) so from there it was simple. They moved me from the graveyard shift to the morning shift, and while I was still checking pallets I was also utilizing my basic programming knowledge and excel skills to make VB scripts and such for them. Eventually they tasked more and more of my work to other people and gave me more of a focus on just seeing what dumb shit could be improved.

Then I just flat out got a manager position, but I'm not too much of a people person so I hated the fuck out of it. After a while the other departments were begging me to leave my department for theirs (lots of cross-functional email teams I was a part of, so I was pretty well networked within the company on a national level) and one of them decided to put their money where their mouths are and offer me my current job. It was a long climb up the corporate ladder, but now I just spend my days as pseudo sysadmin for the building. That mostly means I get to study Japanese at work, shitpost on 4chan, and then every 30 minutes or so have a quick look at the systems we use to make sure there aren't issues.


tl;dr - It was fucking luck. Get in a shitty operation with a bunch of old fucks who type 3 words per minute and blow their fucking minds with Computer 101 high school level shit. Also put Japanese on your fucking resume because it's somehow impressive even if it isn't fluent?

>>19830035
I thought that too.

>>19830032
2d girls aren't real so they don't have an "experience" to relate to

>>19830061
my fucking immersion you little fuck

>>19830051
Here you go https://vndb.org/v20488

>>19830051
妹が痔になったので座薬を入れてやった件

>>19830053
How so, if you don't mind me asking?
Is it derived from some other word?

>>19830065
>>19830068
Thanks fellas.

>>19829892
Does knowing Japanese actually help you find employment if you're a drop out NEET with no other skills?

>>19829970
>had to be homeless for a bit
How'd you manage to turn things around from there? Must've been pretty rough.

>>19830057
>literally hired me over someone else just because of that, since it "showed initiative to go above and beyond" or whatever
So learning Japanese really can help with job prospects cool

>>19830077
unless the person reading your resume is a djter or part of any of the other god awful eop japanese language learning communities

of course unless they happen to just casually ask you to say something and dont realize that doing that to a eop japanese learner is basically as bad as telling them anime isnt real

>>19830065
>there’s actually an even better friend

>>19830069
Not OP but sometimes it's best to not try breaking down specifics so much. I'm sure there are a ton of English sayings/euphemisms that you use or hear all the time but don't exactly know the origins of. Thinking too hard on them won't really improve your understanding of the language, just try ingraining the meaning of it in this particular context. I personally don't know WHY it's more feminine, but I just know it is since I only really see girls utilize it in material I consume. It also just inherently "feels" feminine to me on a mental level, probably because I don't think too much about it and just built up that understanding naturally.

>>19830086
Does the average Japanese even know what JLPT is?

>>19830102
No but someone who's in charge of hiring foreigners most likely does.

>>19830102
no just like i didnt know what toefl was till that one time that one kid freaked out hella and absolutely destroyed a thread because he read one of my posts wrong

>>19830069
heres a short lil runthrough of the basics

http://maggiesensei.com/2010/09/14/request-lesson-%E3%81%A1%E3%82%83%E3%81%86%E3%81%A1%E3%82%83%E3%81%A3%E3%81%9Fchau-chatta/

>>19830115
Is TOEFL common? First time hearing about it too.

>>19830078
Apply fucking everywhere, beg for cash on the streets, find a nice mom-and-pop restaurant with a nice old lady who notices you're coming in every day and only ordering the lentil soup and asking for extra bread and lets you "pay her later" when she gives you full meals.

In other words, luck. All of life is fucking luck.

>>19830079
Yeah. But it's luck. Need to have a boss/hiring manager old enough to be too out of touch with weeb culture so that it comes off as "I took up the hardest language for an English speaker to learn, not out of necessity, but because I'm super smart and bored!" instead of "I wanted to learn the language so I could jerk it to little girls"

>>19830133
Well, what do the people here learn Japanese for?

>>19830125
ive never heard about it outside of djt but this is the only place that "talks" about "language" i hang at

>>19830138
For this >>19830065

>>19830139
This post really made me think. DJT is one of the hardest working places I’ve ever seen for language learning, real life doesn’t cut it even close.

>>19830133
its not all luck you made choices every step of the way

and as romeo teaches you in his sacred writings most people are truly good at their core so the kindness you found could easily be found anywhere if you make the choice to look for it

yoshi time for reading

>>19830154
>Yoshi
DON'T
REMIND
ME
;-;

nintendos a toy for fuckin children bro

>>19830175
who do you think posts on djt

>>19830151
Thanks. I'll end my blog posting here, but having an outsider's insight on my journey helps me feel better about it. I definitely did work hard and made important decisions along the way to get here. I do still frequent the restaurant, and give large tips by the way. So she old lady made a pretty good investment in helping me out.


Just as an inspirational message to anyone - it's never too late, and you can always pick up where you left off. Don't stress over how long it's taking. a few years sounds like a lot, but it really isn't. Back when I started, this board was still called Japan/General. I'm nowhere near fluent yet, but I'm comfortable with my current progress. I believe in you, Anon. No matter what life situation you're in, you'll make it. The determination you use for Japanese will help you in areas of your life you wouldn't even think they will, so just keep at it. Take it easy.

I just wish I was good enough to read Romeo-sama. That is literally my 宿願.

>>19830166
Who fucking cares nerd

>>19830166
>tfw might not learn Japanese before the entirety of Japan is quaked

all otaku shit is for children pal

>>19830232
at least you'll still be able to read all the extant eroge which is what we're really here for

>>19830239
Eroge is 18+, dumbass.

Reminder that manga isn't reading.

lol even ol steve wants to exploit weebs

>>19830254
If I eat manga, do I drink anime?

>>19830239
>>>/int/

fresh lingo steve video (it's about anime)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdJmjMXCGDM

steve doesnt know shit about anime

the worst thing is he conceded to krashen being right but he still touts his stupid made up "content strategy" crap to push his product

お前ら日本語勉強してるくせになぜ英語喋ってんのかい？練習しろよコラ

I reached 3000 sentence cards mined today. When will I be fluent

>>19830307
When you stop looking at cards and start talking to people you autist

ironic shit posting is still shit posting

>>19830307
define fluent

>>19830310
>and start talking to people
wrong moron

>>19830316
Can read any novel without looking up in a dictionary

>>19830189
>Just as an inspirational message to anyone
Kill yourself normalfag scum.

>>19830322
I'm not fluent in any languages.

>>19830316
this guy >>19830306

>>19830329
your days comin i hope youre ready

no wonder this thread is a fucking warzone, everybody lives an exceedingly depressing life.

>>19830331
If you can't infer the meaning of new words in your first language you are actually mentally retarded. Of course stuff like high level field-specific words don't really count anon

anime boobies are all the inspiration i need

>>19830349
I'm just joking about "any novel."
Because there are novels where most people would be making a serious compromise by trying to get through inferring every new word they saw.

I do jap feel the need to put so many fucking sense to their word?
As if it wasn't enought to have so many words with the same meaning they needed to add senses to most of them.
Half the time i check a word on jisho it has more than one translation, even the rare ones have more than one sens. Fuck it.

>>19830359
Maybe for the first few months, it won’t last forever though.

Hey guys let Yoga know if there's any questions you'd like to ask him and Matt for today's recording!

>>19830376
>>19829249

>>19830377
its been a year and a half my interests dont waver like that

>>19830376
Context, famalam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QqusI7WvcE

you are not welcome in Japan 外国人

>>19830322
probably after 20000 cards if you want to measure it that way

>its a 63.7% retention day

>>19830426
Japan looks so comfy. I need to work on my 40% retention.

I just learned that on the internet 草 was used as a diminutif of 臭い to say "it stinks", is that true?
Is there many similar expression and if so is there a dictionnary of them?

>>19830435
it can be but it can also be a giant mess in a tiny amount of space it really depends where you go

>>19830430
i can vouch for this being from niggasaki

ええええええええ！？
全然知らなかった

>>19830475
>implying Japanese follows English conventions
Gaijin mistakes.

>>19830475
that name leads me to think hes on to something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdoyFHNfvqw

>>19830484
What did they mean by this

3rd day of reading Yotsubato, it's quite amusing BUT I'm not too interested in the topic. It is my first serious read, but I'm looking forward to reading something in my taste next.

>>19830494
then read something else dumbass.

>>19830442
Hello, thank you for your question. Yes, I can confirm this is accurate. Let me know if you need any further assistance.

Rajesh

>>19830496
I don't see the manga that I'm interested in anywhere on the internet including the DJT site

>>19830493
>おろしょくおもがします
>よろしくおねえええがします
these are advanced Japango expressions that require life-long study and dedication to be able to grasp their profound meanings.

what are some good sources for raw manga besides: DJT guide and nyaa?

>>19830154
容姿？

the local book-off

>>19830544
アマゾンドットコム

its actually dot co dot jp

>>19830496
I'm a beginner and all the manga that I'm interested in does not have furigana, what now?

its actually dot go dot im gay

>>19830570
>>19828618

>>19830570
learn the furigana so you can see them even when they're not there

>>19830581
but that against what you said about me picking what I like

>serious read
>manga

>>19830544
animebytes

I have a feeling that today will be a good day

now say that in chinese

>>19830611
No one cares about your mental illness, go away.

>>19830649
this is a site behind a pa- autism wall

>>19830715
i thought so too at first but i got in during the last open apps and really the interview process is super lax
its basically do you actually like anime/manga/w.e and will you seed
all the autism is in the forums but you dont ever have to visit them

I just started getting my life together last year by starting to learn Japanese. It's the first time I've ever tried to learn anything or wanted to be anything. I want to be a localizer. I'm 30.

>>19830779
if you cant write at least as good as me you cant be a localizer and if you could you wouldnt want to be

>>19830779
so how good is your nihongo after that year?

>>19830779
Did you start with DJT or why did you post this?

>>19830788
localizations are horrible all the time though, and even even for the bad ones somebody's getting paid

>>19830840
well rule of 98% of everything being shit or w/e

10000 hours equals 416.67 days
>10000 hours equals 416.67 days
10000 hours equals 416.67 days
>10000 hours equals 416.67 days

why do bangumis have so much fucking subtitles?

>>19830890
so my RTK study pays off in the end

>>19830882
*glomps u*

>>19830896
>tfw keep saying I’ll start RTK but haven’t

>>19830890
because it's fun

remember 10000 hours is something khatz pulled out of his ass when he didnt even have 10000 hours of listening done yet

Japs have much more fun with their language it seems. All the text you see in the programmes - due to kanji having meaning and not mere sounds they can visually convey things unlike with Latin script that has no soul, hence nobody bothers to put too much of it on the screen. Plus it's overall helping kids to pick up the language.

i only say 10000 hours of anime cuz its prolly a slight bit more than what i had done before i started really trying to read

TFW you watch anime and the only word that you understand is 'sperm-ia'

>>19830948
what if I speed up the time to 1.5x
will that make me have to listen for shorter period of time?

>the water drop first went down into the water, then splashed on the sides

>>19831046
dont ask me but i would say dont mess with natural flow

>>19831039
i always like to think some really cool mom got her kid hentai dvds for christmas without noticing the disclaimer ftw

>oh yeah
>水

>>19831071
I like to think she was just a cool mom and didn't care

shes not a cool mom if she doesnt care

>>19831071
Anime looks like that to normal people anyways.

if youve never been jerked off by your mother you need to get out of my thread

if youve never jerked off your mother you need to get out of my thread

if youve ever done either of those things you need to get off my thread

people who grew up watching hentai are less likely to have aids than those who didnt

>>19831105
Underrated post. This guy gets it.

When are you idiots going to realize?

私に深すぎる

>>19831233
>make up how language sounds in your head by reading
yeah it does fuck you up.
i dont think it's permanent though, it just needs to be fixed by tons of listening input

>>19831233
Weebs do not suffer from this problem because of 10000 hours of anime.

>>19831233
yeah for real this is advice for those loons that pass the n1 and ask what do i do now lol

>>19830306
Because most of us would rather focus on input rather than output. I can understand what you're saying with ease but can't formulate a response in Japanese. That's fine by me. I just wanna read eroge, not bang Japanese chicks.

>>19831233
I've been mocking East Asian accents since I was a kid. I really don't think it's as big a deal as he makes it out to be.

>>19831272
there aint no chick bangin goin on with that shit bro

>>19831274
I bet you think you just have to say English in a really thick accent for it to sound like a Japanese using loan words too.

>>19831283
I know there's pitch accent too, and I know I don't sound native. But I don't think reading more is going to make or break my ability to sound as close to native as possible.

>>19831245
> Turn on Japanese subtitles 1 hour a day
> Read along while listening to anime
> Turn off subtitles for rest of day
> Laugh at morons holding off on reading
> afraid they'll reinforce their accent

>>19831233
>>19831286
What is this pitch accent meme? You don’t just pronounce it like how you hear it in my Japanese animu?

>>19831292
>reading anime
you're not gonna make it

>>19831310
Go back to drawing.

do you ever see さして written as 然して? wondering if i should add the sentence to my deck with or without the kanji

>>19831233
but everyone kept telling me to read more. i thought that was the solution to everything. so youre telling me djt was just lying to me?

>>19831418
Was it really a lie if you improved?

>>19831418
Accomplished learners who recommend listening more than reading:
Nick
Khatz
Matt
BritvsJapan
Steve Kaufmann (passive listening though)


Accomplished learners from DJT:
???

>>19831428
On what grounds do you describe BritvsJapan as an accomplished learner?

>>19831461
he said he was isn't that enough

>>19831428
Imouto
New Game poster
VN poster
Akane poster
No subs poster

>>19831428
when did steve recommend passive listening

>>19831461
>>19831471
self-vetted is still vetted
also if you vet yourself as at native level then it's native-vetted

>>19831477
He just recommends listening, but most of his listening he described as being passive, like listening while driving somewhere and paying attention to the audio only occasionally.

which is better for learning japanese subs or dubs

>>19831517
dubs, the more comprehensible the input the better your learning will be

>>19831475
t. all of them

>>19831517
10000 hours of 4kids dubs

dude just /think/ about the logic *doesn't provide any logic*

is matt high?

>>19831533
that doesnt exist without rewatching several times which would be even more aids

>>19831536
hes not high he just wants to be japanese

>>19831536
nah this is what happens when losers finally manage to learn something that takes longer than a week to master they get all uppity thinking theyre smart

how does an imaginationlet mnemonic?

>>19831584
by not doing rtk

>>19831592
then how do I learn anything?

>>19831596
10000 anime hours then read 1 of uncle jamals fave hentai games

>>19831602
If I watched a whole hour of anime per day, it would take over 27 years to reach that goal. That is unreasonable.

>>19831609
>a whole hour of anime per day
shit let's not get overeager

>>19831609
guess you cant learn japanese then ┐(‘～` )┌

>>19831614

im gonna just give it to you straight if youre not willing to watch anime for 27 years you straight up cannot learn japanese

final

AN HOUR A DAY AHAHHAHAHAH LOL LIKE WHEN WOULD YOU EVEN SLEEP BRO JJEEEEEZ YOU DON"T WANT TO BURN OUT ;)

sorry dude i dont watch anime 24/7 i got better things to do

like what?

post on here

actually you can easily watch anime and post on here i do it all the time

https://youtu.be/IgQEVIOtZ8o?t=6m20s

Better step it up anon. This 13 year old girl kicks your ass in English and Japanese.

im already watching 3 mangas simultaneously though

if thats that harry potter bitch im gonna hurl

>>19831654
English is one of the easiest languages to learn. We aren't still learning the alphabet in highschool. Not even remotely comparable.

>>19831659
>We aren't still learning the alphabet in highschool.
imagine thinking the writing system actually matters
you know why they spread out 2k kanji over their entire school life? because they have more important things to do and if they like to read they'll be learning ahead from doing that anyway

i dont even get how japanese people "learn" kanji throughout high school. do they take spelling tests or what?

>>19831683
The "le english is actually the hardest language to learn" meme died in the 90s, my friend. You're wayy late on that. English is efficient, easy to learn, and better at expressing things than any other language out there.

>>19831655
why you gotta hate on the cute girl jamal?

>>19831695
English has more vocabulary than any other language, and anybody who isn't a dekinai knows that vocabulary is the real difficulty in language learning

>>19831731
japanese elementary students know more words than english adults do

>>19831731
You don't need to be a scholar for fluency. You can be perfectly fluent (college-level) with only a small percentage of the total vocabulary.

>>19831713
i dont participate in the calling reading manga other shit bullshit bro

>>19831695
i wasn't even saying english is hard, i was saying kanji has nothing to do with it and by bringing it up you show that you shouldn't even be discussing shit you don't understand

>>19831584
https://hochanh.github.io/rtk/

>>19831388
I always add them with kanji in those cases just in case I come across it one day

should i vocaroo?

という fucks my ass man

>怒り (いかり)
>anger
>錨 (いかり)
>anchor

o u funny Japan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_Erkps2En8

>>19832061
different pitch accent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdJmjMXCGDM

steve...

>>19832096
Anime is not content

i am not content with yalls bull shit

>>19832096
>using YouTube in JP

>>19832128
>Not using everything in JP

>>19829970

HOLY FUCK THIS IS MY SAME STORY

Except I'm currently stuck on the warehouse part. I don't give enough of a shit to get ahead rn
Also I'm at N2 level from brute forcing VNs and light novels but I still have no talent for translating anything, hence no job. Then again we ain't alone, see tons of really educated people working in warehouses these days, shits depressing

Said I would be fluent to myself back in fucking high school, look at me now and I still can't read shit. (no N2 ain't shit). Young bros, DO NOT FALL OFF THE WAGON.

>>19832137
N2 ain’t shit if you’re shit. I can read things just fine at N4 transitioning to N3.

>>19832096
Why does he pronounce anime so wrong?

>>19832176
Because it’s a running joke.

how are you clowns actually gauging your level by JLPT standards, did you actually go and take these sub N1 multiple choice tests or are you pulling it out of your ass?

the only way to accurately gauge how good you are is post a vocaroo of toradora and get reviewed by the critical experts of djt

>>19832096
>Devilman Crybaby
Steve, no

>>19832181
n5 is yotsubaand
n4 is moege
n3 is rainobe
n2 is manyoushuu
n1 is the instructions for a ramen cup

>>19832168

Except N2 literally isn't shit. It's upper intermediate. There's an entire advanced category that I can't seem to reach, which is what I need to get into translation work and actually get ahead and stop being a useless fuck. So what if I can read some manga, LNs, or VNs. That's settling for bare minimum IMO.

>>19832223
start reading jp wikipedia