/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>19820635
yoshi time for shitposting

I'm the best japanese speaker in this thread at this time, please support my patron

>>19820645
Post a vocaroo of you speaking

Reminder that manga isn't reading.

乙かれさま

>>19820659
https://vocaroo.com/i/s0jNXP8TciaM

>>19820679
shit can a native vet this guy i want to give him money

>>19820700
He's worth all the yen. New rival for the Dogster.

おはようおにいちゃん

なーなーななななー？

>>19820679
Link your patreon dude

https://youtu.be/cbWCoHkRWwM?t=5m25s
Nuke can't sing for shit in Japanese either.

>mfw "it gets easier after [X amount of] kanji" was just a lie after all

>>19820796
it gets easier after x amount of words assuming you're learning to consume japanese and not just ankidroning core

>>19820801
It gets exponentially more complex as more grammar rules and more kanji gets introduced. There was no point in my earlier studies where I would think "that was harder than what I'm doing now".

ネギって

なんてせつめいしたら

えいごでつうじますか

>>19820824
"onion"

>>19820805
That's bullshit. Every new thing you learn is one more thing you understand about Japanese when you watch it and read it. Your dumb ass is just trying to use grammar to talk instead of understanding what you read or hear.

>>19820836
ひだりとみぎ

いわんとしているものが

ちがうのわかる？

>>19820837
Nice assumption. Basically, you're trying to say that since you understand more things in total, learning becomes easier. That's not true. Learning was easier when I was learning hiragana tables. Learning was easier when I was learning greetings. Learning was easier when I first started with VNs and raw manga. The things I am learning now are harder, so learning keeps getting harder. And the amount of things I mustn't forget keeps increasing. It never gets easier; it only gets harder.

>>19820867
>And the amount of things I mustn't forget keeps increasing.
do you use them or just stick them in anki

>>19820886
I do what 99% of Japanese learners do. Your "ankidrone" fantasy doesn't actually apply to many people, fortunately.

>>19820864
正確に言うとgreen onion

更に正確に言うとWelsh onion

>>19820896
where do you find these supposed competent learners

>>19820867
99% of Japanese learners use Genki. Fuck off to reddit if that's what you're doing.

>>19820867
Are you one of those people who tells people to do textbooks until fluency?

>>19820908
こんなに

あおいのに

おにいちゃんはみどりだという

how the actual fuck do japanese people get used to this
i understand the logic in it, but it's just such a funky layout

>彼は永久に帰らぬ人となったのよ。
That's a bit of a fucking grim way of putting it, isn't it?

>>19821010
I mean, it's better than くたばりやがった,

>>19821015
ちょっとレアなやつだと

>おかくれになる

がすごいじょうひんだよ

１０代２０代がしんだときにはつかわないけどね

dear DJT anons, is it worth taking JLPT N4? as a benchmark. if so would 3 months of study suffice? end game is N2

>>19821042
no
>end game is N2
set higher expectations for yourself

I use these threads for my daily Japanese reading. Is this a good idea? Is it better than using manga?

>>19820867
>>19820896
Imagine being such a brainlet that the more you learn about a subject the worse you become at learning about it.

>>19821051
is it really learning if all you're doing is memorizing grammar cards or something

>>19821049
no and no

Do you guys prefer your manga rare or well-done?

>>19821067
i like mine over easy

I find rare manga to be half-baked and unfinished. Well-done manga just tastes better as a whole, since you know it's been completed to it's full potential.

>>19820635
op the link don,t work

>>19820994
i'm not japanese and i use that as my keyboard

it's very fast and doesn't take that much time to get used to

>>19820994
Do they actually use it IRL? All my animu and dorama have them using IEM, inputting text in romaji, be it on a computer or on a phone.

>>19821099
I can't get used to having to enter the same character twice, especially on romaji - if you want 2 e's (common) you need to hit that key twice, press next or wait, then hit it twice again
It's a bit better when you swipe (left for E for example), but if you need a D (or say, a さ) you're still out of luck and need to hit a key too many

Is Rewrite a good VN for reading? I read it in English and absolutely loved it, although I feel it's probably far too difficult..

>>19820896
99% of Japanese learners fail.

>>19820867
mate, ofcourse learning to write an epic is harder then saying ohayooo~
see what you acomplished, thoght.
I can't even read raw manga after 9months of studying(because I work 40-70h a week)

>>19821203
Try it and find out.

>>19821193
I don't get what you're talking about. Doesn't it just enter あ if you tap on あ without swiping in a direction? That's how the google one works at least, is that the version you're using?

https://youtu.be/ClDenxOxeeM

I definitely don't use it for romaji, if I need to type english I switch to the qwerty keyboard.

>>19821177
Have you seen that many scenes of people typing on phones? I couldn't remember anything specific off the top of my head but I opened kimi no na wa to check, and sure enough they're using the flick keyboard.

>>19821225
Yes, I'm using Google. If you tap the あ twice or more, it begins cycling through the key's directions (like a T9)

How does Anon5k compare to Core?

>>19821250
Pros:
The quality of the word list is a lot higher, and the definitions are slightly better.

Neutral:
It contains particles and other purely grammatical terms.

Negative:
No audio.

>>19821236
I looked closer at the video I linked and she appears to be pressing the enter button after each w too.

Maybe it's an option I disabled, but my phone definitely doesn't do that

>よしまるに供給続いてるからよしりこ厨が各地でイライラしてて笑える
>あれだけ公式持ち上げてたのに
Can someone explain the 2nd sentence please? Especially the のに. The first one translates to: Because yoshimaru keeps getting pandered, the yoshiriko shippers are getting annoying everywhere and it's laughable.

>あれだけ公式持ち上げてたのに
I was thinking of: I (the persone who wrote this) should have kept the officials (publisher basically) in higher regards.

>>19821266
Found it, it's "Input Style for 12 Key Layout"

>>19821281
You interpreted the first sentence right, just note the subject of イライラする are the ones getting annoyed, so it would be "getting annoyed" and not "getting annoying."

But there's no "should have" in the second one, and you didn't explain what you're thinking with that translation. You should at least say what you think the words mean.

>あれだけ公式持ち上げてたのに

The poster isn't talking about himself, he's still talking about yosiriko shippers. It's saying the よしりこ厨 were praising the 公式 which refers to the official love live show or whatever official love live content there is.

The のに at the end is referring back to what he already said, that it's funny they're getting upset. It's common to reverse it and end with のに this way instead of putting the のに sentence at the beginning.

The whole idea is:

あれだけ公式持ち上げてたのに、各地でイライラしてて笑える

Just with the first thought placed at the end instead.

Or I guess he's referring more to the whole situation. Even though they kept giving it their all as love livers their show didn't give them anything back. What a modern tragedy.

>>19821323
Thank you so much for the detailed reply!
It was kind of hard to distinguish who was praising the love live officials since the Japanese language seldom uses pronouns.

The way I learned のに was "even though..." but after checking maggiesensei, there are other ways you can use it.
>http://maggiesensei.com/2012/06/20/how-and-when-to-use-%E3%81%AE%E3%81%ABnoni-request-lesson/

So going back to the sentence it should translate to: Even though the yoshiriko shippers praised the officials, it's funny that they're getting annoyed now. Correct? To give more context, yoshimaru do get pandered more than yoshiriko in this franchise.

>>19821424

>>19821429
europeans blocked due to gdpr

>>19821225
>Have you seen that many scenes of people typing on phones?
Quite a lot, then again most of them were flipphones.

>>19821375
Yeah, but I was just demonstrating that のに can refer backwards to something or just to the general situation of having to be AのにB. The original post is like:

Yoshimaru keeps getting pandered so the yoshiriko shippers are acting annoyed everywhere and it's laughable. After all their praise for official love live, too.

The のに is adding the "even though" or "despite all this" thought that's in the second sentence.

>>19821483
>のに can refer backwards to something or just to the general situation of having to be AのにB
Meant to type "instead of having to be AのにB"

>>19821483
>>19821490
>のに can refer backwards to something or just to the general situation of having to be AのにB
Thanks again. I'll keep this in mind. Haven't thought it in that way.

>>19821436
yup :/ I just use a VPN, it's not even banned on most boards
Tor works too (no matter the location of the exit node) but won't allow you to post

Running qolibri in Wine but any remotely complex kanji look like total shit. Anyone know how to fix this?

>>19820635
>stumble upon various voice chat channels with Japanese speakers
>all English-only speakers who annoyingly interject with random 美味しい・凄い・ちょっと待って

This language attracts only the finest learners.

now that vidya on linux is finally making progress, i'm considering switching to from vm to real desktop linux permanently (not yet but sooner or later), but the problem is almost nothing japanese exists for linux, like txtmiru2 or visual novels. the ones available on steam don't usually even have the original japanese localization available

how viable is learning japanese without being a microdrone for the rest of your life

>>19821691
just switch from running a linux vm in windows to running a windows vm in linux lol

>>19821691
windows vm runs everything just fine

>>19821649
Hmm, found this through google but it's not much of an improvement...

https://askubuntu.com/a/219795/514682

>>19821691
You can run Windows in a VM and play some VNs that way, but in my experience a lot of them don't work or have problems. I've experienced all of the following:
- VN won't install at all
- VN installs but won't run
- VN installs and runs but then crashes at a certain point in the story and you can't go any further
- VN installs and runs but has issues such as the backgrounds disappearing, the UI being clunky and unresponsive, serious audio problems, etc.

I wrote some advice about the use of Wine and VMs based on my experience in the resources guide, but some of the edits I made never made it from the Google Docs page to either of the neocities pages.

>>19821678
I really don't get that image.

おふろー

>>19821836
>29 strokes

Just like the average American

About what ratio of reading to active listening do you guys do?

>>19822011
あたしなら

みみ７

め２

かきとり１

>>19821836
The bottom of the kanji looks like the American flag.

>>19821691
>>19821763
just fuckin dual boot winblows you fags or have 2 separate machines

you can get an old laptop and play pretty much every vn

>>19822053
>just fuckin dual boot winblows you fags
Been meaning to do this for over a year now and still haven't gotten round to it. My initial attempt to set up a dual boot failed because it turns out Windows 7 won't let you upgrade to SP1 if it detects another OS on your system for some retarded reason. What I needed to do was install Windows 7, install all the drivers, install all the updates up to SP1, then install SP1 itself before installing Linux, but I didn't know that at the time. Sooner than go through the extremely time consuming process of starting from scratch again (why does Windows take so damn long to install and update anyway?), I just decided "fuck this, I'll do it some other time".

>or have 2 separate machines
>you can get an old laptop and play pretty much every vn
Would do this if I wasn't a NEET and had some cash to spare.

using dual boot is a fucking pain in the ass and the worst of both worlds

so get an old winblows xp laptop caked in old sperm for 2 dollars and enjoy hentai games

>>19820796
>it gets easier the more time you spend on it
There, fixed it for you. Bonus - it applies for everything you do in life.

Just get a PlayStation Vita and play the superior all-ages ports.

>>19822225
how do i install mouseover dictionary on playstation vita

>>19822241
You can't, you gotta install it inside your head.

>>19822259
i dont install things in my head i just stream from the cloud >_<

>>19822263
>Leeching instead of seeding

how long have you been "installing" "japanese" into your "「head」” and how much of this do you understand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcfdCeaKFMg#t=61

What are you all reading?
Would you say that the difficulty of a light novel varies greatly beetween them or are they more or less of the same difficulty?

>>19822372
light novels are difficult in the sense that the writing is really shitty as is the word choice. it can vary though. i read the first book of toradora and wanted to throw up, iris on rainy days was a lot better. i would recommend you read "normal" novels if you can find something you like

ワタクシモヲシニソウデス

Check out this light novel guys.

>>19822389
What do you mean by "normal" novel? Aren't the classic novel even more difficult than light novel?

>>19822430
God bless romeo.

>>19822432
i mean a novel that isn't a light novel. if you want something easy to read i recommend welcome to the nhk.

>>19822430
What is this page from? I tried to translate it but gave up halway through after having to check 10 words.

>>19822463
人類は衰退しました

>>19822222

>>19822372
The Overlord LNs, but having to look up every other word in damn near every single sentence is putting me off wanting to do it for any meaningful stretch of time. I'm also reading Watamote.

If you want a normal reading experience, you should try Overlord. It's a pretty good novel that isn't an light novel.

Is the current revision of the DoJG deck free of errors?

>>19822525
No, but nothing is.

You shouldn't use grammar decks because drilling grammar is bad for you (nothing wrong with grammar guides), but if you really want to I can't stop you.

>>19822372
Second Ley Line game.

Updated Core 2k/6k if anyone actually cares enough to update the guide

https://mega.nz/#F!jj4VgZ4K!JlbIjHzRsiFe7VKOgn6ZMQ

>Changing out munged filenames with original names on image files. I also improved the "kanji format" code where it says how many kanji/kana are used. Also for first 2000 words, the definitions are improved.

Oh and it has pictures too

>>19822530
>(nothing wrong with grammar guides)
if you want your first introduction to the Japanese language and the base on which everything else will be built on to be poor quality and purposely written to be misleading then sure

>>19822562
You don't know Japanese.

>>19822530
I just want to go through some sort of grammar guide which is more on the intermediate/advanced end of the spectrum to see if it helps me notice things which might have gone over my head so far in my reading and listening. Reading all 3 DoJG books cover to cover sounds insufferable though, so I was thinking maybe going through them as an Anki deck might make the process a bit more tolerable... thinking about it more though, it probably won't.

>>19822564
The more grammar you intentionally study the more likely you are to build weird misunderstandings from what you learn. At the very beginning this doesn't matter because you're going to have the same kind of misunderstandings no matter what you do and they'll go away faster because they're more obvious, but with "intermediate" and advanced grammar it can actually be a problem.

>>19822563
You will never know grammatically correct Japanese.

>>19822564
actually going through the books by reading them would be a lot better since you can just skip over the shit you dont know. dont read grammar guides though. if youre intermediate or advanced you should be able to intuit new grammar patterns

>>19822568
You will never know Japanese at all.

>>19822556
>Also for first 2000 words, the definitions are improved.
eggsplain

How did you improve them? And the first 2000 words when sorting the deck by which field?

>>19822571
Are you suggesting that input doesn't work?

>>19822575
It does, but you're not learning Japanese.

>>19822430
>>19822467
Looks like a normal light novel page or am I wrong? At least it doesn't look too hard. I hope I can read it some day soon.

>>19822577
I'm learning Japanese in the correct way.

>>19822582
You're not learning Japanese at all.

>>19822567
>and they'll go away faster because they're more obvious
This is not true, non-natives make very obvious grammar mistakes all the time. In fact it's probably worse to study grammar at the beginning because those misunderstandings are more likely to become ingrained.

>>19822556
Well, the fucking visual layout is certainly not an improvement. What a clusterfuck. And what's with these retarded "Audio Recall" cards?

>>19822592
You don't know Japanese.

>>19822582

>>19822594
Are you suggesting that non-natives who speak fluently never misunderstand obvious and frequently encountered grammar?

>>19822605
I'm just pointing out that you don't know Japanese.

grammar is not real

>>19822578
No i found it quite difficult, even for a light novel.
The number of furigana proves it, i have been reading light novel for quite sometime and reading the page gave me a lot of trouble.

>>19821049
>>19821214
>>19822500
Manga isn't reading in the first place.

>>19821067
raw

>>19822607
I do know English however, and seeing the mistakes non-natives have made convinces me that studying grammar is a terrible idea.

>>19822578
I'd say the long paragraph from that page is difficult.

If manga isn't reading is anime not listening? They both have visual cues.

>>19822626
I make more grammar mistakes than non-native speakers of my language do.

>>19822638
You can intuit why they're wrong though, non-natives never will. They've become too ingrained to ever be fixed.

>>19820994
It's no less intuitive than text messaging on a dumbphone keypad.

>>19822638
native speakers can't make mistakes

>>19822645
I know multiple non-natives who can intuit about English grammar just as well as I can, and better than I could when I was 15.

>>19822648
Natives can misspeak.

>>19822651
Good for them, but there are millions who still make basic mistakes despite thousands of hours of input. The ones who don't probably never studied from misleading grammar textbooks and ingrained false grammar.

>>19822664
Thousands of hours is fucking nothing.

have you guys completed your 10000 beginner level flashcards yet

>>19822667
How many hours do you need before you fix your false ingrained grammar pattern on how the most common word in the entire English language works?

>>19822680
Like ten thousand.

>>19822687
If it takes you ten thousand hours to figure out the extremely basic rule that "an" comes before a vowel sound you might as well give up on ever having a good understanding of grammar.

>>19822699
Not your choice dude.

>>19822703
True, you can't help people who want to cripple their grammar. All you can do is try to inform them of the consequences of their poor choices.

>>19822709
You can't learn Japanese.

>>19822677
Is it this easy to make monies?

>>19822430
romeo just wants to help you fill in the space between those wonderful light novella lines

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKRhhk0lEyzM-XOmo9F55BoRlPSSivcVd

you shouldnt post intermediate study materials in a thread full of pant shitters and piss juggers

>when you get 92% retention but it felt like it was 80%

>>19820867
>when I was learning greetings
lol

>>19822791
but thats beginner shit just in japanese

i dotn think the djt definition of beginner can really engage with that though

like you kinda have to know japanese to understand how this dude is a pretty good splainer

What 兄目　should I watch next if I really liked Citrus, Blend S and Umaru?

koi kaze

>>19822873
How to stop？

he really should its the only way hes ever gonna learn japanese lol

nuke if you want us to stop making fun of you just learn japanese
here i have a two step program for you
1) stop making SGJL videos, stop using anki and memrise, you're past that
2) read VNs for 2+ hours a day every single day

>>19822892
this is dead serious btw i am not making fun of you just do it

nuke chan listen to me im your friend

youre gonna have to watch 10000 hours of anime to begin to learn japanese and this is non negotiable

if you keep doing that shit youre doing now matts never gonna recognize you as ぺたぺた

>>19822892
>1) stop making SGJL videos, stop using anki and memrise, you're past that
He needs to realise that all this shit he's doing is just procrastination disguised as productivity. He thinks he's being productive by making and reviewing all these bullshit decks and whatnot, but really it's just a way for him to avoid actually engaging with the language in a meaningful way by reading or listening.

I wonder if the problem isn't that there's just nothing he's interested in in Japanese and this whole learning Japanese thing is just a way for him to procrastinate from other things in his life that he doesn't want to deal with.

>>19822880
ban yourself
spam shit, post cp, report everyone and say "mods are gay" in the reason
it's so easy I already got permabanned 4 times

>>19822933
well arent you quite the piece of work

theres 1 of those things you shouldnt do just as a decent human being though so i hope you dont do that

>>19821281
i couldn't parse either of these sentences at all. i couldn't tell which parts were words and which parts were names. it's over.

Seems like my learned card stats are not always accurate, anyone know why this might be?
>>19822933
Doesn't seem like that works though seeing as your here.

>>19822953
It was an example

>>19822964
well, I did it in /gif/, /g/ and /b/, had to change my ISP and am a new man, I've been in this thread for 5 days so not long enough to ban myself for it

>乗っていた１１人は無事でしたが、タンカーは動くことができなくなりました
Not sure what 動くmeans in this context, any ideas?

>>19822572
>>19822595
idk pm nukemarine don't shoot the messenger

>>19822222
>There, fixed it for you. Bonus - it applies for everything you do in life.
No it doesn't, what are you saying? Anything worthwhile in life gets harder as you get more into it. Tying your shoe gets easier. Learning advanced mathematics gets harder, indefinitely.

>>19823023
have you tried looking it up in a dictionary? it's the most straightforward and prototypical use of the word

Just reached 1000 kanji in RTK, i'll have a lot of free time in a few days so i'm thinking of bumping my daily kanji to 100 and completing the whole deck in some 10 days, thoughts?

>>19823051
DO IT and then you'll forget everything in a month

>>19823051
thought: stop doing rtk and learn japanese instead

>>19823036
Yes of course, I think I'm having trouble making sense of the second part of the sentence as a whole

>>19823053
It's not like i'd stop doing revievs after completing the deck of anything
>>19823061
Ya'll just jelly that i """know""" more kanji than you do.

>>19823085
the tanker is fucked. literally: the tanker became unable to move

>>19823085
動くことが
moving

できなくなりました
stopped being able to

>this whole learning Japanese thing is just a way for him to procrastinate from other things in his life that he doesn't want to deal with
that's literally me

>>19823104
>>19823108
Holy fuck I'm retarded, I had no fucking idea a Tanker was a boat I thought it was kind of (ground-based) bunker. No wonder a bunker not being able to move anymore didn't make much sense to me.

You have my thanks.

>>19822664
>probably
solid theory there mate i'm convinced by your asspull logic just like the last seven times you started this argument

false grammar lmao

>>19823199
How else do you suggest they ingrained the completely counterintuitive idea that the word "an" precedes a written vowel rather than a vowel sound? It's because they read some shitty Tae Kim-tier grammar book.

>Tae Kim is shitty
>therefore every other grammar book is shitty and you'd be better off with a mystical ajatt ritual instead of reading them

>false dilemma

just watch a shit fuckin load of anime and everything else will start to work itself out later on!!!

勉強するがいい

>>19823250
nah its probably more like they read some grammar book that didnt want to bombard them with info so it gave them the bare minimum to function but then they got lazy and went out to produce while neither reading a more advanced grammar guide nor paying attention to what others were saying and writing and comparing it with what they know

>>19823271
languages are acquired through input and nothing else. Reading grammar guides containing misleading grammar explanations is a waste of time at best.

>>19823290
it's actually more like they practice english with other people that don't know english and force production early on
>>19823291
you can't learn japanese

勉強するがモンキー

>>19823290
If reading grammar books gives you shitty grammar that needs conscious effort and study to fix you'd be better off just forgetting them and going straight to input.

>>19823307
i know this european kid who knew literally nothing about english and learned it through pure input on the internet and when he went to start talking 5 years later his sentences and word use were totally whack

spoilers it's not whatever you're thinking that makes people have bad grammar

>>19823297
But you told me there's no such thing as an early crippling that can't be fixed through later input. Which is it?

>>19823312
the more shit you force the more you have to unlearn and the longer it takes
if you go through an english teaching system that forces you to do stupid shit for three years no shit it's gonna take a while to unlearn it

>>19823311
he should have used anki for sentences and read his flashcards out loud

結局全てがaidsになる

>>19823320
If they can learn English to a high level of fluency and still not know how to use the most common word in the entire language correctly maybe they shouldn't have done stupid shit in the first place

I know you guys are having fun but I have something important to say.

The more you argue about stupid shit on DJT the less likely you are to learn Japanese.

https://boirodaisuki.neocities.org/dark.html

>>19823329
you are seriously delusional, every ESL i know who has actually "thought in" english for enough years does not have trouble with a/an at all, and i know a lot of ESLs due to open source being big in europe

the people who have trouble with a/an are the people who pretend to have learned english but are still leaning on their L1

>>19823331
if you knew japanese you wouldnt link to grammar guides in english

>>19823340
You don't know Japanese.

lets try this one more time

https://www.strawpoll.me/16394431

>>19823338
Do a google search for "An European" and "A European" and note the number of search results. A huge number of ESLs have problems with this, many of them highly fluent. There are journalists, authors and academics who still make this mistake. Why is this in your opinion, if not the use of shitty grammar textbooks?

>>19823291
Language acquisition actually consists, among other things, of learning grammatical heuristics of how the language works (and then learning exceptions to these heuristics). Claiming that learning those heuristics from grammar books is less effective than trying to construct them yourself from input is just retarded.

>>19823349
do a google search for my dick

>>19823349
guess how many grammar errors your post has

>>19823349
Because there's no correct option, it depends on the pronunciation for the "European" and the pronunciation varies greatly among the english-speaking population even not counting the ESLs.

>>19823349
first youre going to have to show me these shitty grammar books that literally every esl seems to be using to learn bad grammar according to you

then youll have to direct me to the exact page where they talk about a an

>>19823349
that is actually a problem with pronunciation, not grammar, but you know that, you're just being an idiot on purpose

>>19823299
I recognize those two kanji combined mean "study" but I couldn't remember the actual Japanese word for study.

>>19823357
>>Because there's no correct option
What's it like being an ESL?

>>19823353
A lot no doubt, I read grammar books too thoroughly when I started out.

>>19823357
>>19823360
Nobody pronounces the E in European with a vowel sound. Please show me an example of this because I have never once heard it.

>明日雨が降るよ
Why no particle between tomorrow and rain? Should this not be 明日は雨が降るよ?

https://www.strawpoll.me/16403969

>>19823250
have you considered the possibility that they produced from day one and have never checked a grammar resource in their lives

>>19823373
if it was writing and not dialogue its more proper to put the は but because the point of speaking is to get the point across as quickly as possible in the least words は is dropped what は would imply you already know

>>19823379
good post

>>19823369
i don't have a clue how i would look for that but i've definitely heard heavy accents do that before

the euro is the currency of the eu and is used as a word in many countries where the languages don't have ゆ-like sound at the starts of words in fact the えう-like pronunciation is by far the most common across european languages

>>19823379
I doubt it, because then it would have been fixed through input. They ingrained this rule early on because they read it in some shitty textbook that simplified it for them.

>>19823394
you're just assuming that and assuming just make an ass out of you

>>19823382
It is an excerpt from Tae Kim so I was just making sure there was no grammar rule about excluding particles for some reason. I guess they are optional in casual speak? Thanks.

>>19823394
what was the misleading simplification?

>>19823398
topic particle dropping is extremely common when the topic is a time or location
in "good" writing it is usually indicated with 、 after the time/location but not always

>>19823398
i think tyler kim basically tells you that at some point but yes basically everything is optional in casual speech if theres enough context

>>19823373
明日 is also a temporal adverb so it does not need a particle.

明日やります - I'll do it tomorrow.

>>19823406
ね

>>19823394
if they produced from day one they probably don't get sufficient input and all of their practice is through broken conversations, or worse, with non-natives
it's easy to play the "probably" game but it makes you look fucking stupid

>>19823397
>>19823401
It's the only possible explanation. "an" preceding a written vowel that doesn't have a vowel sound is completely counterintuitive and nobody would learn it that way from mass input. It could only come from somebody reading a general simplified rule from a textbook aimed at beginners and then applying it to their own output.

>>19823407
it is acquired as a temporal adverb first but it actually generalizes into the particle dropping rule and externally describing it as a temporal adverb is unnecessary and potentially harmful

>>19823418
it's not the only possible explanation and you know it's not the only possible explanation
you just said it once and now you're mad people don't agree

>>19823418
>It could only come from somebody reading a general simplified rule from a textbook aimed at beginners
what was the simplified rule?

its really important to posture as hard as you can in explaining simple things in tyler kim so you look the best out of all the other people just tryin to be nice regardless of if the information is useful

>>19823338
Lmao how can someone even have an issue with this a vs an shit, as long as you know what vocals and consonants are it's piss easy.

you can tell anon never leaves his computer because of his cute assumption that the average esl has ever even touched an english grammar book or guide

>>19823420
Are you talking about this case specifically? I can see that with 明日雨が降る.

>>19823427
no it's not you dumb fucker lmao you dont know jaPANESE HAHAHAHAAHA I KNOW JAPAENSE see -> ふうｓぢあうｆｈｓぢさｈふいあｓｈ read that on vocarioio you pice of shit

will the real jamal please stand up

>>19822933
>>19822953
>>19822964
>>19822976
Told you guys if was easy to get permabanned in here, goddamnit

>>19823363
Based rtk-kun

>>19823432
it's honestly the best part
>>19823434
basically 明日はやります is allowed to mean the same thing 明日やります means and the meanings that differ are also the ones that は can't be dropped for

remember when hotpockets weren't such faggots?
i do.

>>19823435
did you have a stroke or are you just mad about a boogeyman

>>19823369
Who tf pronounces E in europe with a consonant?

>>19823440
you shouldnt have fucked around dude

>>19823442
>明日
i always read this as あした instead of みょうにち is that bad?

>>19823423
How else would you explain it? I'm asking sincerely.

>>19823425
"an" precedes a written vowel

>>19823447
he was making a funny and i did laugh lol

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1oaOyng8TRO

>>19823452
no you should read it as あした by default

>>19823454
can you post an example of something explaining an vs a that way or are you pulling it out of your ass

>>19823449
No chill in here, it was an example and I got banned for it

>>19823440
Woah lmao

>>19823442
???
It's not allowed to mean the same thing though. It's got a は in it. You won't hear someone way that unless they need the は there. It's working as a genuine temporal adverb when you take out は, it's not a dropped particle for the sake of speeding things up.

>>19823467
it can work as a "genuine" temporal adverb even when the は is there

>>19823463
yeah they nazied you dude its like a regular reddit up in here

>>19823454
>written vowel
Wasn't it pronounced vowel?

>>19823462
Are you denying that grammar guides like Tae Kim contain misleadingly simplified explanations of grammar?

>>19823473
waiting for that example

>>19823469
Only indirectly. は basically splits it off into background context.

>>19823473
don't dodge the question

>>19823476
it does the exact opposite actually

>>19823440
Honestly these dumbass mods on this shitty ass site waste way too much time banning people who haven't done a single damn thing wrong really.

djt vs は

は 1 djtは0

>>19823486
you should see the 2v2 score, は and が are destroying djt and reddit

going to say that unmarked adverbial nouns that aren't syntactical adverbials like きっと and びりびり are functioning as predicate-internal topics with no defined level of contrastiveness and close djt so i don't get into an actual argument

i cant even read half the words in your post bro

>>19823475
You agree then? Tae Kim is not written perfectly. It contains misleading grammar explanations. This is reason enough not to recommend it.

>>19823478
I've given you countless examples of grammar guides containing mistakes, Tae Kim being a notable offender.

>>19823504
where'd you get your english vocab deck

>>19823510
give an example of a grammar guide explaining a vs an wrong or your argument is invalid

>>19823486
>Ask Japanese professor about は vs が
>"Don't worry, people wrote books about it and the list of cases is still not exhausted. You better learn the rules one by one."
Everyone fighting は is fighting a losing battle

>>19823510
your entire argument stands on evidence that you pulled out of your ass, back it up or fuck off

>>19823510
dude reality check any english guide to japanese grammar is going to have problems

thats why you do the eleanor jorden book first and then watch that sick dude in that yt playlist that got posted explain all the shit all わかりやすい and shit

Stop replying to this grammar guide guy, he's here every day with this shit.

>>19823482
Do you mean it puts it in the foreground?
It's a matter of perspective so you could be talking about the same thing as me. Either way it's an indirect way of putting it as the time, and has a different meaning and usage. It's not "今日、いい天気ですね" vs. "今日はいい天気ですね," it's a different distinction because of the verb being there.

明日やります is allowed to be 明日、やります but 明日はやります is not necessarily allowed in the same places as 明日やります.

>>19823454
>"an" precedes a written vowel
Any examples of this or are you going to keep dodging?

>>19823508
>>19823522
He's making a 1000-layer deep series of ironic shitposts about how it's impossible for anyone to explain grammar "correctly" in a way that's actually comprehensible to people who haven't studied linguistics.

>>19823513
>>19823519
My argument from the start is that grammar guides like Tae Kim should be avoided, I couldn't care less about English grammar books. This is not the daily English thread.

>>19823518
its like getting sucked in a rip current and not knowing that instead of struggling against it and dying you just let it carry you out and swim parallel to the shore for survival

>>19823531
i'll give you another chance
where's that example of your precious "an european" getting taught as a grammar rule based on written vowels

>>19823531
it turns out you don't know english either so i'll let just let you off easy with the straight fuck off

>>19820635
is there an english version of the OP? pls no bully

guys guys gUSY

im sorry i casually answered that dudes question about taylor kim i should have known the repercussions of haphazardly helping someone and i truly do apologize ｍ（＿　＿）ｍ

>>19823543
they keep adding and removing the english from the header buttons because they're being OCD about it, just complain on the feedback form (コメント)

here you go my guys a nice blue potion to boost your intelligence and make up for all the neurons we lost along the way in this thread itadakimasu glug glug pyahhhh

>>19823550
wrong shade of blue

>>19823549
okay thanks

>>19823543
>>19823549
it's better without english, the beginner guides are part of the big boys club
really though you should get used to pushing through struggles from the beginning if you want to make it

>>19823535
>"an european" getting taught as a grammar rule
Where did I say this? I just point it out as an example of how fluent people can make mistakes involving basic grammar that's encountered incredibly frequently. There must be a reason for this, I've put forward what seems to me the only reasonable explanation for it. If you have your own idea I'd appreciate if you would offer it instead of just shitposting.

yuo just drink a mana pot and heal the shit

>>19823552
well i did say i lost a couple neurons playfully hits hit with fist while closing eye corresponding to the side of my head that was hit and sticking out my tongue cheekily you know the pose

>>19823557
you've been presented many ideas that are all met with "nah my conjecture is definitely true" so back it up or fuck off

>>19823557

>>19823349
>>19823425
>>19823454

>>19823560
you gota make the きゃはっ

>>19823560
テヘッ顔

>>19823553
no wait nevermind the english shows up when I hovered over it
how many have learned japanese in this thread?

>>19823561
That it's down to early output reinforcing poor grammar? I've always agreed with that.

i have a feeling that today will be a good day

>>19823579
when you can write that in japanese ill believe you

>>19823570
not a single person

oh magic ball when will grammar book anon be satisfied with the number of yous hes gotten and finally just post his closing i was just baiting post

いい天気だと感じた

>>19823583
maybe after today i'll be able to

>>19823589
maybe means you wont

settle for nothing less or be low tier scrub forever like the pic

>>19823583
よし、時間が読めろ

>>19823592
close but i was thinking something more along the lines of 今日はいい日になるかも so i could trigger the は boys again

>>19823587
it's been over a month so he's in for the long haul

になるかも is added to my "how to think in japanese like a cute girl" handbook, thanks for reminding me that i heard it in an atelier game

>>19823598
now this is a rabbit hole i do like

>>19823596
今日が一日がんばっていましたと思います

よし読むぞ

>>19823557
If we're talking about anecdotal examples, let me tell you that there's plenty of native English speakers confusing your and you're, a mistake no ESL who studied English in high school will make, since your and you're are two very basic and very different grammar structures.

>>19823587
I never bait, I'm 100% serious when I make the radical suggestion that reading poor quality grammar resources is bad for your Japanese. It's not my fault I seem to piss off incessant shitposters like you because you drilled Tae Kim and don't want to admit to yourself it was a mistake.

Holy shit, no one gives an fuck.

>>19823603
and yet a mistake very easy to make if your primary exposure to the language is forcing production in broken conversation and never reading, funny how that works

>>19823604
https://boirodaisuki.neocities.org/

>>19823586
oh which guide was most better main guide or anon guides you use?

im an faget

>>19823615
stop spaming ur shitty website

>>19823618
ur a shitty website

>>19823615
why would he read that he doesn't know japanese yet and he wouldn't want to accidentally damage his ability to learn it

>>19823609
Then stop replying to me when I tell newbies they should prioritize input instead of drilling grammar books.

There is only one way to settle this.
http://www.j-cat.org/

>>19823622
shit how did you know my plan

>>19823620
ur face is a shity website

>>19823623
nobody here thinks it's a good idea to "drill" grammar books, if you want to soapbox about theoretical bullshit go post on reddit instead where they practically worship genki and tobira like minor gods

>>19823602
何を読むか

>>19823623
>grammar guides will permanently damage your ability to learn japanese
is not equivalent to
>you should prioritize input
fuck off

>>19823626
ur face

>>19823624

>>19823629
ゲンキを読んでいます。面白い、美味しい。

jcat is for dump redditors we do things differently around here vocaroo dot com forward slash ln dot bmp

>>19823614
Nobody here argues for forced production anyway

>>19823633
is beautiful

>>19823629
これを読む

>>19823646
oh no

>>19823644
correct, and yet it is a more likely explanation for bad english than
>a grammar guide hurt me once

>>19823647
健闘を祈るぞ

romeo isnt reading

>>19823650
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oMCy5hqhxA

>>19823630
>>grammar guides will permanently damage your ability to learn japanese
I've never said this, just that incorrect or misleading grammar you memorize early on runs the risk of ingraining itself and being reinforced to the point that you won't fix it with mass input without conscious effort. If you can prioritize input from the start instead then you should.

>>19823291
Go back to Matt's discord.

>>19823647
僕も読みたいが、その前練習しなければならないよ

>>19823653
it's inputting only the finest literature known to man

>>19823659
That idiot recommends making anki decks out of Tae Kim sentences.

>>19823660
>>19823650

>>19823662
it's not comprehensible even on a surface level to the likes of you

You don't read Romeo - he reads you.

you guys dont know japanese its romio

>>19823670
oh shit

It's ロミオ様

you guys dont know japanese its lomio

>>19823665
What's the problem?

>>19823657
>I've never said this
>>19613710
>>19590209
>>19792521
>>19771616

>>19823678
oh shit

you guys dont know japanese its kuchimio

>>19823666

人間界を守れるか
出来なければみんなを死に走らせてしまうかも
守る、いや司るには論じなくてならない時間は必ずある

>>19823690
new op forever plz

>>19823690
who is that i want to watch her anime

anime isnt watching

>>19823373
You don't need to attach particles to expressions time. The difference between using the particle there and not using it is just a matter of whether you want to emphasise the time or not.

>>19823704
shitposting isn't writing

>>19823682
Cripple your Japanese != damage your ability to learn Japanese. If you speak with incorrect grammar because of how you chose to learn Japanese then yes you have crippled it. That's why you should go with an input approach instead.

yosh time to buy back my gpu and arcade stick

>>19823698
chii sama

>>19823715

>>19823698
all i remember was she was a voice actor in the anime

平らげる sounds cool as fuck

>>19823543
I'm hoping the maintainer doesn't fuck with the design anymore. The way it looks right now is the best it has ever looked, and any further changes will most likely be for the worse.

>>19823706
Are there other cases like this?

>>19823738
yeah all of japanese

>>19823743
cool thanks

Oh it's the "journalists, academics, and other educated professionals don't speak english well because they learned from books" guy who provides nothing but anecdotal proof lmao

>>19823749
They speak great English, they just have certain mistakes that haven't fixed themselves. I'm curious to understand why.

>炒 isn't in RTK

>>19823762
Bc both sound "right"

>>19823749
"Academics and other educated professionals" who are ESLs sure as fuck usually don't speak English well. They speak enough English to work and they don't really better their English for years after they came to the country they currently reside in to work, even if it's English-speaking, because being professionals they value their time enough not to waste it on consuming English media. And don't even get me started on non-Europeans and their fucking accents.

>>19823768
amazing

>>19823738
Particles get dropped like crazy in spoken Japanese.

>>19823762
Your whole argument is balanced on a generalized fallacy that you have no proof exists, that all educated ESLs make similar small grammar mistakes because of learning methodology, when in fact educated ESLs are an extremely wide demographic and learned English in a variety of ways. Stop trying to force this meme, it's not going to stick.

How do I resolve the issue where ITH injects like a 3 second delay into text progression in visual novels?
I feel like maybe it's polling way too many streams, I just want it to follow one specific stream.

Can anyone explain to me the diffrences between
内 and 中　
and
先 and 末

>>19823776
set the text display speed to the max

>>19823324

>>19823771
>anecdotal evidence
pennjillettetrashcan.jpg

>>19823778
内 and 中 are different in the same way their kanji are different
先 and 末 are not closely related, stop doing isolated kanji study

>>19823768
Heisig
B T F O
T
F
O

>>19823776
>I feel like maybe it's polling way too many streams, I just want it to follow one specific stream.
If that is the problem, don't attach the VN process to ITH until you've loaded your save.

I read an interview with James Heisig where he mentioned learning to speak Japanese by playing with children, somewhere up in the mountains. How could you even make this stuff up? So when I heard the man was in Tokyo, I knew I had to ask him about it.

Because here’s the extent of what I learned from children by teaching grade school in Japan for several years: The word for lunch. How to say “I’m so cold.” How to say “I’m so hot.” How to grab your teacher’s penis and exclaim “bigu sticku.” How to insert your fingers up his butt in a move known as the kancho. Beyond that, children typically ramble about some toy or cartoon or playground game. They’re not going to coach you on how to make hotel reservations or order up another plate of gyoza. The idea that one could learn to speak from them is insane. They can’t even use the language decently themselves. That’s because they’re freaking kids.

I met Heisig at a writer’s workshop. He seemed a pleasant enough fellow, and a fine teller of grandiose stories. After listening to his well-polished tale about singlehandedly inventing a way of learning Japanese characters that millions of Japanese folks had never thought of in their thousands of years of history, I finally got a chance to ask him, “How did you learn to speak it?”

“I played baseball with the kids,” was his reply. “Up in the mountains. In Nagano.

“You played baseball?” I asked. “With children?

“Yep.

“And that’s how you learned to speak Japanese?

“Sure. Children are the best teachers.”

Now, that sounds reasonable. Everybody nodded. But it isn’t reasonable. It sounds good, but it’s actually nuts. Children are the worst teachers. They make no damn sense.

You know, over the years, I’ve asked many people how they learned Japanese, and their answers consistently fall into one of two categories. They either describe a systematic method pursued diligently over the course of several years, or they make up some convenient bullshit because they don’t really want to respond to the question. I looked at Heisig, and had my answer.

yeah not reading all that 69 decides what i read next

>>19823775
>all educated ESLs make similar small grammar mistakes because of learning methodology
I have never once said this, I just pointed to examples where many of them have. If they're confusing a very simple and frequently encountered grammar rule when they otherwise speak fluently then there must be a reason for it. What do you suggest?

>>19823762
>I'm curious to understand why.
no you're not, you have zero interest in any idea that does not agree with your theory

>>19823800
don't call it a theory call it an idea

>>19823786
thanks for the quick answer
could you give me for 内 and 中
one example for in what context you use which kanji in?

>>19823799
I suggest that you have no factual basis for the primary assumption of your argument besides weak anecdotal generalizations. Now kindly fuck off

>>19823803
膣内
身体中

>>19823780
Both slider to max and the instant setting do nothing.
>>19823795
I am loading the game and the save fully before booting up ITH. It used to be working nicely, so I wonder what has changed. Same VN and everything.

>>19823794
>腟 missing
0/10 garbage book, should be removed from the guide

>>19823810
same

>>19823810
>meant 膣
selffix
the point still holds

>>19823810
>>19823814
these kanji are identical at my font size so no worries

>>19823800
No one has put forward anything. Any time I post any negative opinion about grammar guides I just get replied to with stupid shitposts or told that I'm wrong without any actual alternative suggestion offered.

>>19823818
what about all the alternatives that were offered that you ignored

>>19823814
that's going too far, you need to replace that kanji with a maru

>>19823819
That early Japanese output is a problem? I agree with it

oh wow 撫でる and 頷く's kanji are missing from rtk wtf

萌 also missing

>>19823825
no worries my man it covers all of jouyou so it must be the right thing to do

>>19823828
>>19823825
Obscure Kanji are not necessary. By the time you reach these, RTK will have already done its job and you'll be branching out.

>>19823834
>obscure
these are some of the most common kanji in japanese writing

>>19823834
>Obscure Kanji
have you ever read before

>>19823835
That's literally not true. I know over 300 Kanji and don't even recognize those.

literally missing 嬉

Is there a song to help remember the order when alphabetizing words with kanji?

>>19823805
ありがとうございます。

>>19823840
there are a lot more than 300 extremely common kanji

>>19823842
>Frequency of 2274
What the fuck, Japanese books must be bleak.

>>19823843
i wrote this post down months ago because it amused me
>I sing it to the tune of Frère Jacques. I have no idea why I started doing it.
>Frère Jacques, Frère Jacques, Dormez vous? Dormez vous?
>A Ka Sa Ta, Na Ha Ma Ya, Ra Wa N, Ra Wa N
as for vowel order that is easy

>>19823846
Not true either. Just because core 2k includes 2000 terms, doesn't mean there are 2000 unique kanji. Many, if not most of them are just combinations of kanji rearranged to form different words.

>>19823850
buddy if that has a frequency of 2274 in whatever you're using you shouldn't use it

>>19823853
that's not how frequency works either

>>19823853
sorry i wasn't sure if you were shitposting or not carry on

>>19823851
You're cute anon.

>>19823851
thats legit as fuck bro