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You guys, is Misa doing okay?

>>19814053
>Why does the ri in べんり sounds like di?
The Japanese r is somewhere in between the English l and d. In some words it sounds closer to one than the other. If you read the manga Chi's Sweet Home (a manga about a kitten), you will sometimes see d sounds written as r sounds (e.g. だ becoming ら) in order to represent the very childish style of speech that the title character uses.

>I looked it up and it says -na inflection? Can anybody explain?
便利 is a な-adjective. 「便利な物。」, etcetera.

>>19814071
There's no accent, your ears are just not attuned enough to Japanese to differentiate the d and r sounds yet.

>>19814185
Yeah, sorry about that.

>>19814179
What decks are you doing?

ふたり

なくなったそうです

yoshi time for reading

Vocaroo guy should use this instead of Toradora next time.

>>19814338
Just Core2/6K

ゆく秋の
土に収まる
蛙わずかな

>>19814186
Manga isn't reading though.

あたしがゲイ

と思う

たいふうって

はつでんきにならないの

あんなにおおきいのに

>>19814636
Grammar error

>>19815010
あたしにはゲイ*

ありがと

man reaching the point where you're motivated to continue from daily improvement in comprehension takes forever

if you dont truly love 2d theres no hope for you

this shit aint for the fauxtaku

He's right. I still like 3D and I can't read Japanese for fucking shit.

>>19814419
Ganbatte my nigga, I know it's tough because I've been there myself don't ever change sweet baby girl

I only watch 3D and I'm almost fluent

VNcore has better words but is it worth giving up Core2k's audio?

i can understand deleting the matt cum but deleting the debu babes is bullshit

>>19815042
congrats youre almost fluent in normie next youre gonna start having sex with 3d arent you

I learned how to write 2200 kanji before learning to write kana, before learning to even read katakana, and before learning Japanese.

>>19815045
I stopped using audio after like 500 words.

>>19815056
i bet that makes for an impressive party trick should you ever choose to attend one

>>19815060
I'm actually kinda lamenting what I've done but it'll be OK if I continue.

>>19815049
that's the plan

>>19815065

I read an interview with James Heisig where he mentioned learning to speak Japanese by playing with children, somewhere up in the mountains. How could you even make this stuff up? So when I heard the man was in Tokyo, I knew I had to ask him about it.

Because here’s the extent of what I learned from children by teaching grade school in Japan for several years: The word for lunch. How to say “I’m so cold.” How to say “I’m so hot.” How to grab your teacher’s penis and exclaim “bigu sticku.” How to insert your fingers up his butt in a move known as the kancho. Beyond that, children typically ramble about some toy or cartoon or playground game. They’re not going to coach you on how to make hotel reservations or order up another plate of gyoza. The idea that one could learn to speak from them is insane. They can’t even use the language decently themselves. That’s because they’re freaking kids.

I met Heisig at a writer’s workshop. He seemed a pleasant enough fellow, and a fine teller of grandiose stories. After listening to his well-polished tale about singlehandedly inventing a way of learning Japanese characters that millions of Japanese folks had never thought of in their thousands of years of history, I finally got a chance to ask him, “How did you learn to speak it?”

“I played baseball with the kids,” was his reply. “Up in the mountains. In Nagano.

“You played baseball?” I asked. “With children?

“Yep.

“And that’s how you learned to speak Japanese?

“Sure. Children are the best teachers.”

Now, that sounds reasonable. Everybody nodded. But it isn’t reasonable. It sounds good, but it’s actually nuts. Children are the worst teachers. They make no damn sense.

You know, over the years, I’ve asked many people how they learned Japanese, and their answers consistently fall into one of two categories. They either describe a systematic method pursued diligently over the course of several years, or they make up some convenient bullshit because they don’t really want to respond to the question. I looked at Heisig, and had my answer.

i mean of course the japanese didnt think of heisigs method they dont know english

Japanese people use mnemonics to remember kanji and vocab, so why wouldn't you?

E.g., 頁　＝　一ノ目ハ　（ichi no me ha）

Why didn't anyone make a Remembering the English for the stupid Japs so they could stop using their shitty language altogether? Don't they know that if they did, these threads would cease to exist? Don't they know what kind of positive that would do the world?

what whats the mnemonic for 目 you cant just cheat like that

>>19815096
the shitty language is actually english i mean just look at your post and others you have made

挨拶 手ム矢手くくくタ

女 is くノ一 because all women are backstabbing spy whores like the ninjas of old.

Actually, I don't have to read my posts because they don't help me learn Japanese.

>>19815080
I'm confused by this guy's point. I bet Heisig did get his foot in the door by speaking with children and there's nothing wrong with that.

1) educate yourself about basic japanese language factual trivia
2) install a mouseover dictionary
3) https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/kana.html
4) https://boirodaisuki.neocities.org/
5) https://my.mixtape.moe/rwlraz.apkg (stop whenever you want or even skip it entirely)
6) read
7) read more
8) listen too
9) don't think, feel
10) learn what you have trouble with, not what other people tell you to learn
11) now you know japanese

カルピスを飲んだら、どんな味ですか

>>19815058
At 450. I skip audio for words I know to save time, but I still listen to all the others. Sometimes there's fun easter eggs, too. (like with ロボット)

>>19815120
バターっぽい
最高旨味かも

>>19815120
Pretty good, hard to describe but kind of milk-y and juice-y at the same time.

yall have been doing flash cards for a while right this should be no problem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKV0rE1RlMo#t=148

>>19815120
It tastes like cow piss, it's in the fucking name.

>>19815095
That's not a mnemonic, those are just the colloquial names for those radicals.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/一部_(部首)#通称
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/丿部#通称
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/目部#部首の通称
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/八部#部首の通称

>>19815116
There's a difference between getting your foot in the door and becoming fluent. Heisig magically become fluent in a very short time after inventing the world changing RTK

>>19815120
it tastes like yogurt and ass sweat

>>19815117
>2) install a mouseover dictionary
terrible advice

>>19815142
"Becoming fluent" is more or less a stretch, but all he asked was "how did you learn?" Obviously he's going to cite the beginning stages where he learned the basics. It's a completely believable scenario.

The "children are the best teachers" bit is dumb but whatever.

its only terrible advice if youre terrible i reckon

its like people who dont know how to use rtgay

everyone i know who got good at japanese after the year 2005 used some kind of quick access dictionary while reading

everyone

We should let children teach pilot trainees how to fly, lmao

i might amend to 2010 if pressed but the point stands

youre all children compared to me

so how many years did it take you to learn japanese, 20?

children know how to speak their language but they can't fly wtf?

>>19815160
Clearly not everyone who uses them gets good, though, as proven by the fuwanovel "not-MTL" crowd.

that's because they're using MTL tools and parsers, not because they're using quick access dictionaries

>>19815172
im not really sure i didnt really even think about whether or not i knew japanese until one day i was talking to my home boys dad whos a fisherman at the docks in nankokushi and it struck me

it was about a decade after i started engaging with japanese

>>19815117
addendum: parsers are not mouseover dictionaries

今日俺は親の里から私の本当家までに帰る。

夏は楽しかった。たくさんお金をつくった。

>>19815160
>got good
>doesn't know all the words

People who don't know all the Pokémon aren't good at Pokémon and people who don't know all the words aren't good at Japanese.

>>19815213
you don't know english
>used

>>19813812

thanks dog youre the real one

>>19815220
export anonymous core 5000 instead it has fixes to errors in the official print version of the dictionary

>>19815174
You don't have to know how to do something in order to teach others how to do it. Proof: this thread.

>>19815181
Checking every other word in your texthooker (or rather, needing to) is on the same level as MTL.
Reminder also that this mentality breeds people like pic related who care more about "reading" "kamige" with texthookers and circlejerking about it on the internet than actually engaging with what they're trying to read.

>>19815230
clephas never actually attempted to learn japanese or understand what he was reading he was just in it for the epeen

>>19815230
anki really helps in this regard in that it ensures you're memorizing stuff instead of just lazily scanning everything with your dictionary.

Actually, you don't have to know all the Pokemon to be good at Pokemon. You just have to know which are the best ones. Just like Japanese, you only have to know the best words.

lets try this one again

https://www.strawpoll.me/16394431

>>19815234
That's not clephas (to me it's actually funnier than the clephas one by virtue of him being a former, very obnoxious tripfag).

>>19815240
you don't even need anki as long as you attempt to read what you're reading instead of just scanning english words as though you were using a parser
>>19815243
oh was it "tokiko"

>>19815244
I don't wanna switch browsers to fill in the shitty captcha, but pretend there's a +1 vote for the third option.

>>19815224
ill run a diff thanks

I've been reading Tae Kim and I have to use yomichan to look up all the vocab on the page to make sure I'm understanding the grammar points, but I'm starting to memorize the vocab too. So am I using yomichan correctly?

oh it's komeiji
see i didn't even open your image (許してください) because i assumed that komeiji eventually learned japanese (笑う) and by process of elimination it had to be tokiko (苦笑) but it looks like i'm the fool this time まったく、どうにもしょうがない人だな、俺

i fucking hate everything
ggggggggggggggggggaaaaaaaaaaaaahd
it's doing my head in
>>19815281
brain full of crack

relax dude this is no 場合 to be gettin all sketched out

>>19815255
Doesn't that guide post the meaning of the vocab in the book itself? Why do you need any dictionary to understand the grammar points to begin with?

>>19815270
Well, I think Komeiji is living in Japan now so he'll inevitably learn it... maybe.
I don't remember Tokiko posting about studying Japanese.

Whats the thread opinion on Eleanor Jorden anyway? I'm following her earlier text but I'm working on the orthography very seriously on the side.

I thought jamal disliked text hookers

>>19815301
That's true. I just use yomichan to hear the word.

>>19815307
i've been trying to get someone to send me their copy of jsl so i can scan it and check how good it is but they just won't

jamal visits the brothel every day dude

>>19815307
>The book is written exclusively in romaji, making no use of kana or kanji, though kana plus kanji text is available as supplementary texts.

seems like she did pretty good work i recommend it i just wanted to green text that thing to trigger babs

>>19815308
i do and think theyre gay but i do recognize that in the hands of someone not eternally brain cucked they can be a good tool

>>19815312
this is true i come here to fuck with my favorite hos on the daily

>>19815327
this is clephas right

>>19815335
The one and only.

what the fuck are parsers? did i fuck myself by using rikai when it shows the conjugation when you hover over a word like "-past -imperative -ba form"

t. N2

>>19815355
i have an image for this let me dig it up

>>19815355
>did i fuck myself by using rikai
yeah, permanently crippled

>>19815355
>t. N2
self-assessed I bet

But if it's true what does it matter?

>>19815355

>>19815336
The amazon comments for JSL are hilarious.
.
"Hurr durr wrong romanization no kanji! how do I differentiate between ち, shi and ti, I'm literally the dumbest retard on this gay earth."

>>19815365
Needs a final image with a guy looking up words in his paper kojien while he plays a vn on a crt monitor. Or at the very least a J-J epwing dic.

>>19815378
former yes latter no
there is basically no difference between using a j-e and j-j dictionary unless you're a beginner in which case you have no reason to use a j-j dictionary

>>19815365
Good post.

do people really read japanese with machine translations and then convince themselves they know japanese?

>there is basically no difference between using a j-e and j-j dictionary
except pitch accent

j-e dictionaries can have pitch accent and j-j dictionaries can lack it

>>19814179
>1% mature
At least you're doing better than me

>>19815389
yes

>>19815389
ええ、やりますよ。 私は日本語を知っています。 Google先生のおかげです。

>>19815383
that's not really true since J-J dictionaries are really fucking good and descriptive while jmdict is pretty much just 1 or 2 quick words that are sometimes pretty off base

>>19815401
>私

>>19815403
there are other j-e dictionaries and also j-j dictionaries have problems too, i was trying to look up 地脈 once to confirm whether it could mean "leyline" in an anime fantasy setting and nothing i dug up even hinted at it except for some random occult-looking web 0.5 webpages made by nerds

You literally can't fuck up your language (like as if Japasese is any special). Just study cunt.

just read and listen*

just eat manga and post on djt*

>>19814179
>>19815396
You are like little babies. Watch this.

use it lose it

how do japanese people read words that aren't even in any dictionary like 屍鬼 (しき)
yes i know that one is common but that's just the first one that popped in my mind

think of something very chuuni that isn't as obvious

>>19815433
Sugoi

>>19815438
string of on'yomi

most kanji have like 20 readings though, not just 1 onyomi and 1 kunyomi

most kanji have 1 or 2 on'yomi and if there's two then usually one is way more common than the other, this is increasingly true the most obscure and chuuni the kanji are

>>19815418
>there are other j-e dictionaries
literally zero that are going to come close to giving as much helpful info as japanese sources

and in your case you should have used google first which would probably have led you to a japanese source, or guessed from context based on kanji

there's definitely a very good reason to use sources in japanese to learn japanese when you're good enough

>>19815438
ask someone else using google or >>19815442

>>19815438
Context and reinforcement.

how do they know it the first time you can't reinforce what doesn't exist in the first place

>>19815457
>and in your case you should have used google first
that is exactly what i did. anon. do you think i have a stack of paper j-j dictionaries here, no, i google it and click whatever links go to a japanese dictionary site.
>or guessed from context based on kanji
yeah i'm literate so that's what i did, but jargon can mean literally anything as long as the kanji allow it, you would know this if you knew japanese
>there's definitely a very good reason to use sources in japanese to learn japanese when you're good enough
it depends entirely on what you're looking up and you have no idea whether japanese sources will be

>>19815433
I-is that completely vocab?

>>19815473
will be more useful than english ones until you look it up*

like i don't need a description of what cryptography is when i look up the word for cryptography, i need to know that it means cryptography

>>19815433
>suspended+buried: 1
WHAT IS IT

>>19815365
god hentai games must be so fuckin awful to play to have to look out of the game window to decipher text all the time

>>19815376
1) It's all in romaaji. Let's face it. When you go to Japan, almost everything will be in evil but beautiful scribbles called 'kanji' -- even with JWL - the written language accompaniment - you won't even have the reading capability of a 1st grader.

>>19815415
whats your issue thats the only pronoun you chuckle fucks should be using

>>19815438
believe it or not made up words arent the end of the world

it only feels like it because you have no foundation of any kind grounding you

this is why i say its ok to do things like try and use the soft rules like on yomi!! or refer to literally anything else you know before immediately mouseover dictionary or otherwise putting it under a microscope

>>19815475
Yes and he's almost ready to start reading.

>>19815482
So almost 10000 hours of anime on top of that?

>>19815481
>god hentai games must be so fuckin awful to play to have to look out of the game window to decipher text all the time
they are why do you think so many people quit

on another note:

mouseover dictionaries are the least intrusive kind of dictionary access because you never have to defocus the game to use them and they provide nothing until you mouse over the text so you don't get used to reading off them being easier (like it is with parsers which give word boundaries or furigana insertion)

plus some games have annoying fonts so if you have vision problems you might just want to read off a browser screen and google the occasional word anyway idk you don't need a mouseover dictionary for that though

>>19815475
No, about 100 cards of it are Japanese prefectures.
>>19815482
I've been reading for about 2 years. Lately been playing Persona 4 Golden and Yu-No in Japanese, got 64 hours into the former and 5 into the latter so far.
>>19815478
I honestly don't even know, I must have accidentally pressed the button for suspend on a card without noticing it at some point

>>19815526
you should have just put 69 hours into yuno

>>19815532
There's still potential for that, but I don't think it's even that long of a game. It would be a nice meme though.

>>19815532
You say that, but I hope you realize he's probably playing the remake.

>>19815539
I'm playing it on the Sega Saturn, which is a remake, but it's not the recent remake.

>>19815539
i believe the remake is only on consoles right now still so i find that the less likely scenario

also fUCK the remake i havent touched it after just downloading https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM9hn0R80u0 and playing that instead

>>19815550
saturn is a good version very all ages

Thinking about restarting RTK, but you need to restart it from the beginning right?

>wrong romanization
this is the dumbest shit why would anyone write in anything except nihon siki
i do write chu and shu instead of tyu and syu though because moving my index and middle finger to y and u would require moving my arm from it's home position

sometimes i envy manlets with narrow basedboy shoulders because normal sized keyboards aren't too narrow for them to use comfortably

>>19815570
nope you just need to masturbate and think about what you just posted in the minute or so during/post-ejac and youll know the answer

>>19815574
you shoudl be using a ergo keyboard bro

just type entirely with one hand

dont type just feel

>>19815550
>>19815559
Oh, I thought you were playing the new remake on Vita since you mentioned P4G.
I have that PC-98 port downloaded, I've been wondering whether I should play that or the Windows release with FM music and Saturn voices.

i think its best to play emulated on neko project 2

>>19815605
I can't get it to run properly, I've tried a few different builds but the sound is always fucked up.

>>19815582
can you recommend any mechanical ones
i can't use membranes any more i had to use a backup one for a week when i spilled noodles on my real keyboard and the whole zxcv row stopped responding or infinitely pasting some random string which persisted even after system restart

>>19815613
you have use the right fork and enable fmgen in the options
youll know you found the right fork because it's maintained and supports fmgen and is meant for modern versions of windows instead of 32-bit win95

>>19815574
I used to use WA2F for playing WoW. It was fantastic since it always left me a free finger to press 34ERSD action buttons. None of this is interesting to anyone, just like your weird post.

>>19815559
>That video
>That FM Synth
I'm kinda bummed that I don't have that version of the soundtrack while I'm playing, but when you're not comparing them side-by-side the Saturn OST isn't bad by any means. Plus, it's plenty comfy to be playing it on real hardware on my CRT.
>saturn is a good version very all ages
That's part of the reason I chose this one, I don't see the need to integrate porn into a story that stands on its own. I know this board is full of degenerates that just jerk off all day who would disagree with me, but whatever.
>>19815598
Yeah no I kinda forgot that there was even a new remake.

>>19815626
the redone audio is fine it straddles the line pretty well of being okay while not totally making you despair and yearn for those classic yamaha microchips

>>19815613
ill take a look in a little while and see whats up

>>19815619
mechanical keyboards are aids i dont use them so i dont know if they are actually aids but you better not bring those clacky fuckin noise makers onto my yard

> Learning vocab without having the kanji locked down beforehand is doing it the hard way. Some people recommend working through the whole first Heisig book or a similar amount of study before even beginning grammar and vocab, and they have a good point. I didn't do it that way because when I started learning Japanese I wasn't sure that I wanted to commit to doing all that upfront work, but I regret this now.
Anybody else feel the same?

>まだパンツを履いていない
>I haven't put on my panties yet
is this ている form?

>>19815660
mama mia

Reminder that if you are learning Japanese you must first optimize your keyboard layout for OPTIMAL language acquisition.

>>19815656
yes

did rtk after a year of studying and all those leeches i had for months died one by one when i learned the kanji

like 粋 and 枠 holy shit it's a wooden frame and it has 九十 degree angles how fucking amazing is that, i love kanji now

>>19815656
That's a matt quote isn't it? I'm pretty sure he backpedaled and doesn't recommend doing RTK first

>>19815670
You don't need to do RTK to "learn" """"kanji""""

Tae Kim said:
>negative て form = replace 「い」 with 「くて」e.g. 食べない -> 食べなくて

DoJG told me:
>A negative て form of a verb: Vnegative + ないで e.g. 食べないで

What's the fucking difference /djt/?!

>>19815660
yes
not in the state of wearing any yet

>>19815677
Then how did people learn kanji in the past?

>>19815656
Where'd you get this from? The problem with people like this is that they think "wow RTK helped me after I knew Japanese so it would have helped me before I knew Japanese even more" but they don't understand that knowing Japanese made RTK much easier for them to do and to retain what RTK teaches. Matt only just realized this recently.

>>19815678
if only there was a resource that explained the difference coherently and introduced both of these at the same time

matt currently recommends doing lazy kanji really fast (like 100 per day) and then doing kanji the hard way (handwriting) when you have the basics down because it's effortless when you know vocab for almost all the kanji and already have a vague shape

>>19815689
are you being ironic?

>>19815693
So you just need to know about 5000 vocabulary before all kanji click.

>>19815688
Some old djt thread

>>19815695
yes

the difference is that くて is for linking statements and いで is for conjugations but V...ないで is basically the only place you ever see adjectives conjugated to the te form for conjugations

>>19815693
>matt currently recommends doing lazy kanji really fast (like 100 per day)
Holy shit, that's so fucking wrong. I had no idea it was possible to be THIS wrong

>>19815678
>>19815703
OK I found the answer in Tae Kim
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/negativeverbs2#Doing_something_without_doing_something_else

Reminder.

>>19815724
eroge gets so boring man i don't get this meme.

>>19815724
how fucking LONG do you have to be learning Jap to not know about Anki since day 1 of your language endevours

>>19815718
but i only read manga and this is no problem ┐(‘～` )┌

>>19815732
i didnt know about anki until i made the grave mistake of clicking a djt thread like 2 and a half years ago or something and its been nothing but insanity ever since

I was drinking last night and happened on some of Matt's videos. Lmao they're all like hour long what the fuck are you doing jerking off to some wanker instead of studying. Like as if Nip is some unique magic language completely unlearnable for lowly gaijin without some profound ideological leadership. Christ in heaven;

>>19815746

>>19815749
I program computers in Finland.

one of biggest redpills I took in life was that Japanese isn't actually difficult
dumb normies with their dumb and ignorant opinions gave it a bad name like that because they are just dumb normies, so that scares off a lot of people, Kanji is fucking EASY, definitely not the hardest part of learning the language - I'd say putting in hours regularly into reading and learning new vocab is

matt is right though, what he currently recommends has been my theory for god knows how long
matt started telling people to do rtk first before everything else (after I had already started) so I told myself "I'll do it after I'm fluent matt did that too"
i struggled with vocab all the way until i did rtk a year into it and 100

you're not supposed to memorize them 100% you just need a vague idea of what you're seeing instead of being bombarded with hundreds of letters you have NEVER seen for literally years when you could have just done RTK1 and 3 in less than 2 months and you wouldn't even have needed a dictionary to understand it when you first saw 北朝鮮労働党委員長 on NHK easy *except for the 朝鮮 part*

>>19815760
Why talk like a dolt.

>>19815760
the japanese is easy

its the people not being able to actually get in the mix that is the problem

>生まれ故郷 (うまれこきょう)
>故郷 (ふるさと)
どうして

>>19815749
>>19815759
Sorry I just expected it to be a rude post and I replied without reading. My shame.

are you looking forward to Matt's videos from Japan once he reaches 5k gold per month?

>>19815783
unironically yes.

>>19815775
haha weerent we just talking about on yomis and kun yomis lmao its like the kids dont listen!!!!

>>19815365
Why do you feel the need to put all your dumb opinions into infographics? Do you think being on a pretty picture somehow makes them authoritative? Just how many of these shitty images do you intend to make?

>>19815785
if he talks fluently to the Japanese will /DJT/ still say that they are just being nice to him because he's Japanese is shite?

>>19815794
no idea what you're talking about this is the only image i've made

>>19815800
jealous that he gets attention for it? loser.

honest to God, which do you enjoy more
learning Japanese か shitposting here?

>>19815812
meant this guy:
>>19815794

djt is great family fun

japanese on the other hand ┐(‘～` )┌

>>19815803
No it isn't. You've made several (extremely shitty) VN recommendation images as well.

how do you even know what's an onyomi and what's a kunyomi except that it's onyomi if it's shi sho shou chou chi cho
when i'm guessing new words sometimes i get the other part right and the other half wrong

>>19815821
nope

>474 patrons
>$2,364 per month
I'm legit jealous

>>19815823
YOU DUMB FUCKING FAGGOT I SAW POST LIKE THIS MULTIPLE TIMES NOW
why do you learn these readings by heart, learn them within the context of words, don't learn every reading of every kanji you dumb piece of shit
why do you read shit without Furigana if you are clearly too dumb and struggling for that?

>>19815827
Yep. I know you're embarrassed about them and don't want to take credit for them anymore, but you know they were your handy work.

>>19815834
yeah uh dude i have no idea what you're talking about i've never made a vn rec image

>>19815809
God I wish I could read Romeo-sama's works.

>>19815829
what he earns a month for doing nothing I'd have to work for 4 months to earn

>>19815809
I want to read Corpse Party 2, but I can't find a decent torrent for the not-shit version it any fkn where.

>>19815840
you can if you open your heart to jhesus

>>19815833
woah dial it back a notch ace

>>19815833
but most kanji have at least 5 readings you're the one that's rote memorizing if you can guess a kanji is shi if it's the first kanji and chu if it's at the end

>>19815718
The answer is actually no, because it's impossible to 読む manga in the first place. Gotta watch out for trick questions like that.

>>19815847
I can't. I'm not good enough yet. I will get there someday, though, whatever it takes.

hey can you beginners stop trying to make assertions about kanji work or whatever

in fact stop posting on djt altogether to get the fuck away from people like this >>19815861

>>19815837
Guess I'll have to jog your memory them.

>>19815861
imagine being this much of a sore loser

>>19815867
not mine

>>19815867
yamelo yametekule

ITT: dumbest reasons we got involved in learning nihongo
I randomly watched a meme video of Jap girls talking English and got hooked on it really hard and then I looked up their names and go emotionally invested in their lives and JPOP and down the road decided to learn Japanese so I can understand the lyrics (a bad move) and TV shows they appear in

IF I lose my interest in them (which was slowly waning for some time, then getting rekindled etc. but never as fierce as initially) I will have no reason to learn Japanese besides learning it for sake of it, because it's kinda cool language to learn

I envy you weebs and hentaifags, you have clearly far more materials to work with, I went through whole discography of multiple groups in a year and it was material produced since 1998

PS I love to do autistic shit like paste their lyrics into Word document and highlighting massively the words that I know

>>19815873
Deny it all you want but you know the truth.

>>19815814
>か
not only did i learn this means "or" from dojg but based on the context in which you used it i could infer its meaning thank you so much.

>>19815847
Becoming a Christian and asking God for help has unironically improved my Japanese. I recommend everyone in this thread try it.

>>19815883
not denying anything dude you're just off your rocker

>>19815884
that's called acquiring language, anon
not learning

just to satisfy anon's cravings i have made a vn rec chart please enjoy

>>19815809
>rewrite
>hentai
uhhh....

Is this "teacher who wears classic glasses" or "classics teacher who wears glasses"?

>>19815861
Following the rules of logic, anything can follow from an impossible condition. So either answer is correct.

jlpt really is a meme

>dude just chain onyomi together you get the right word
>how do i know what readings are onyomi
>HURR DON'T MEMORIZE WHAT READING WAS AN ONYOMI

how do YOU know what's an onyomi and what isn't
eat fucking shit if you claim you could read 台詞(せりふ) the first time you saw it

>>19815775
No, ふるさと is 古里, こきょう is 故郷.
People just interchange the readings of one with the other because they're the same meaning, but the way I've written them above are their correct readings.

>>19815929
I would check its reading with yomichan and dont have to guess you dolt

>>19815887
Alright, I was just checking. I believe you now, keep up the good work.

>It is quite sad really. I remember I started studying Japanese to read and watch Japanese manga and anime when I was a kid. I passed N1 a couple of years ago. Recently I tried to watch some anime and I could only understand the show at most about 60%, which I found to be quite disappointing.

>I could read Japanese novels and manga now with minimum issues, but listening comprehension to me is still very difficult. I wish I could stream Japanese videos with Japanese subtitles.

>Any other N1 people have the same issue or some advice?

OH NO NO NO NO NO

>>19815929
How to spot an onyomi:
- appears in long kanji sequences
- sounds like shit
- sounds indistinguishable from 100 other onyomi

>>19815944
i don't believe you

>>19815923
what

>>19815925
ummm yeah

>>19815945
the shocking reality that multiple choice tests for fluency are a joke

>>19815948
that is correct

I see copy and pasting reddit has evolved into screen capping reddit

>>19815937
of course i check the fucking reading when I see it but you just claimed natives and you yourself can guess readings
tell me why it's not だいし like 台所 and 動詞 tell me why 所 in 台所 is どころ instead of しょ like in 場所

Idk what to read, what are you all reading. Whats the difference between yomichan and rikaisama

>>19815979
Why are you complaining about weird readings in a handful of common words? What's next, 今日? 明日?

>>19815966
Why is post-secondary foreign language pedagogy such a joke? What went wrong? Was it always like this? The government should make blatant scams like this fucking illegal.

>>19815980
People who use yomichan make it and people who use rikaisama don't.

>>19815992
It's almost as if schooling systems don't exist to teach, they exist to train worker bees how to communicate with others and contribute best to the hive.

You can pass most university courses with literally a month of study. I should know, I've done it. Does that mean universities should all be destroyed? Hell no, they're incredibly valuable debt generators for governments.

>>19815925
You don't even need to be able to speak or write, of course it's a meme. That said, since there's no alternative, it's probably still a good idea take if you need the certificate.

>>19815966
Why go to fucking college to learn a foreign language... It's like going to college to learn webdev, except knowing Japanese won't even get you a job

>>19815880
baseball

>>19815980
>what are you all reading

Volume 07.5 of classroom of the elite.
I don't know the difference beetween those software, i think that being able to check a word you don't know by a simple move of the mouth reduce your brain ability to retain it.
I am not saying it doesn't work, it just doesn't fit me.

>>19815980
Konosuba volume 14: Revisit of chuuni village. Fuck the Bookwalker app btw.

>>19816010
yeah but there is a listening portion of the test and if you fail that you fail the whole test. he passed the highest level proficiency listening part and can only understand 60% of anime. what the hell does n1 even test???

>>19815980
They're pretty much the same except Yomichan gets updates while rikaisama is unmaintained and is no longer supported by some browsers. I use rikaisama because I'm still using firefox 52.
If you don't know what to read why are you learning Japanese.

>>19816017
True it's easy to get bad habits using Yomichan or Rikaisama but they're really convenient. You should only be using them as a "last resort" when you aren't able to infer the meaning of a word or want to know its spelling.

>>19815991
if i see a new word with 所 in the end in the end how am I supposed to know which one it is? i'm not memorizing readings by heart, i'm guessing based on other readings for the words
>waa tyler kim told me if a kanji is by itself like 刀　かたな onyomi とう if it's part of a lit rap verse like 名刀名刀菊一文字etc
that's not 100% applicable to reality because 台所 completely contradicts it you only need one proof for a theory to be debunked so stick your "waa it's a common word" up your ass

you told me natives can guess words now admit that they can't or tell me how i can develop their skill, for now i can look words up on daijirin myself but fuck out of here if you claim you can always guess readings correctly before checking whether you were right

>>19816059
shut the fuck up, you won't learn Japanese with your stupidity

>>19816007
>Hell no, they're incredibly valuable debt generators for governments.

They're profit generators for themselves. They rape the government. They get the money from government loans, and government's are stuck trying and failing to collect. Not to mention all the (((grants.)))

>>19816059
だいしょ/たいしょ sounds dumb and too easy to confuse with lots of others. Plus 所 is one of the more common ones, so readings can be fucked and arbitary.

>>19815980
still reading tae kim.

>>19816059
>if you claim you can always guess readings correctly
Nobody claims that. Please stop trolling and go away.

>>19816086
>sounds dumb
because we've known だいどころ for years
any dictionary reveals there's like half a dozen だいしょ words and a name so i guess it can't sound that fucking dumb if it's a common reading for words and names

>>19816059
Are you fucking autistic?
Of course natives don't have the magical ability to read correctly each and every new word they come accross, what they DO have however are their dozens of years of constant exposure to the language that allow them to make educated guesses.

>>19816119
This, it's like when you ask a German which article he'd use for an unknown word. He can give you an answer, but won't know why he'd choose that article.

>>19816111
だいしょ only gives me 代書 and 代署 which both don't really have have an alternative reading you could apply.

>care about listening ability but don't enjoy listening as much as reading
>don't want want to permanently cripple listening ability by reading too much
Fucking AJATT cursed me

>>19816155
>don't enjoy listening as much as reading
Listen to cute senseis like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quyHLTA6Mts
or vtubers

>>19816175
that intro gave me legitimate hiv tho and i already have aids

oh lol were talkin about 台所 theres a pretty and simple reason for its reading idk why yall trippin

桐

>>19816155
You just need better listening practice. The ひいきびいき podcast is my favorite listening practice I've encountered. It ended in June, but they stopped at episode #280 so you should be able to find some episodes about stuff you're interested in. Who knows how long they'll keep hosting all the episodes for download so get them while you can. The older Japanese podcasts I've been interested in listening to all seem to have disappeared from the internet without any hope of recovery (like the Dig! Podcast, which sounds like it was amazing back when they were doing it).
Looking for high-quality Japanese podcast recommendations, if anyone has any.
;-; anons please I need something to fill the void that Kimura Haruka and Sakoto Daichi left in my life

>>19816155
>>19816199
Their website if you're interested: http://hkbk.fm/
I wouldn't recommend listening to #278 for a while since it's kinda the farewell episode.

>>19816155
you might just not like listening more since it's harder to do than reading. once your listening gets to a better level it becomes an enjoyable activity that you will want to do more of since it's so effortless

>>19816146
pardon me for being lazy and omitting the たいしょ part but the post i responded to said "だいしょ/たいしょ sounds dumb" and i did mean both of them

ok ok since youre all dying to know ill give you the secret of the 台所

its where you go to make the 重箱

私は契約書に署名した。

彼は私の父による代署は拒否した。

You can also make a 別物 if you want.

no fuckin 別物s in my 台所 *slams 調理台*

What is a good place to ask for translations from Japanese? Can't use machine translations.

>>19816300
>>>/int/djt/

What do when there's a grammar structure that I can't understand when reading, should I just move on or spend 1 hour trying to figure it out by browsing a grammar reference?

>>19816300
https://amaterasu.tindabox.net/

>>19816306
Try to figure it out, of course. Do you intend to skip it again next time you see it?

What's the deal with sentence endings like そー, な, ろー, etc?
Is there a complete list of these things and their emotional weight?

the next time you see it it might be only i+2 instead of i+10

>>19816323
考えるな感じろアンドwatch more anime.

>>19816323
read Tae Kim

>>19816330
I'm just not sure whether or not something is meant to be an ending particle or something else.
Like when you have そうだろう, I can easily tell what そうだ means, but I don't know for sure what the ろう is doing there.

>>19816376
It's not そうだ + ろう, it's そう + だろう.

>>19816376
lol are you for real?

>>19816389
All I know are Kanji and vocab. I'll hit the grammar again but it's fucking boring.

some people just aren't meant to self-learn

self-learn this *shoves foot up your ass*

ladies were not here to fight

were here to dance

I've been reading for about a year and feel like I should start using Anki to speed up vocabulary acquisition, but looking for words to mine ruins my enjoyment of what I'm reading and making cards is tedious.

Is there any harm in just doing Core 10k? Is there some other pre-made deck which is better?

>>19816399
Grammar is indeed boring. That's why you should just skip it and start reading right away

>>19816419
If you've actually been reading for a year you don't have anything to "learn" from premade decks.

>>19816376
read Tae Kim faggot
you should be banned for not reading the guide and asking questions

>>19816056
>I'm still using firefox 52

>>19816419
>but looking for words to mine ruins my enjoyment of what I'm reading
Don't do that then, I just add words that feel novel to me.

>and making cards is tedious
give up

Pre-made decks are generally less effective than mining decks because you don't get as much context and you don't immediately get the feeling you're gonna actually encounter the words you're being presented someday.

>>19816432
it's one of these autists who think they are being followed by the govna

>>19816423
How do you read without knowing grammar?

>>19816444
And firefox 52 is somehow going to make following him harder?

>>19816447
yes, they use the version that has usability to 2020 or some shit so they dont have to update it
talked to an autist like that, there's plenty of them here too

>>19816431
You gonna call the cops on me, tough guy?

>>19816446
I have no idea how it works desu, but you start understanding more shit the more you read, it's magic

>>19816450
but firefox 52 is still officially supported by mozilla and gets security updates etc

>>19816457
then I was wrong

>>19816444
No, it's one of these autists who thinks that using software with numerous, serious, publicly-known security exploits is a bad idea:
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/

>>19816056
also
>Yomichan gets updates
Not anymore. Its dev has gone AWOL. No updates in 10 months and he doesn't even bother responding to important bug reports like this:
https://github.com/FooSoft/yomichan/issues/118

>>19816419
I've been reading for 2 years and I did Core 10k along the way, I feel it was fully worthwhile for me.
My chart >>19815433

I'm still using firefox 47 is that bad?

>>19816446
This anon >>19816453 isn't wrong, it's possible to learn from zero by just forcing reading input, but there's no way it's more efficient than just taking the time to lay some groundwork first.

>>19816476
That's encouraging to know. Did you any other decks alongside Core 10k?

>>19816450
The point is, government follows you no matter what sort of software/hardware you use. You could maybe get away with only talking to people you know IRL via an asymmetrically-encrypted channel if you exchanged public keys beforehand when meeting in person, and that is supposing there is no compromised hardware. Anything else, including web pages, e-mail or any chat programs, is completely open for government and big IT corps to listen to and analyse.

>>19816199
There's a fair amount of anime that do ネットラジオ featuring seiyuu that star in them which are essentially podcasts. I think most pull them down as or after they initially air to be later sold in cd form, but you can find downloads for some or listen on youtube and the like. They tend to do episodes around 30-50 minutes based on the one's I've listened to. They often cover multiple reoccurring themes over each episode and may read mail from fans pertaining to them. Like the 俺妹 had a bit about the girls guessing meaning of fan-provided web slang or talking about the 可愛い妹ｓ of fans. ごちうさ had a thing with the girls learning about and how to do latte art. Not everything revolves around fan mail but it seems to tend to have a fair role. Some interesting stuff comes up, but it's always nice to listen to girls with cute voices talk regardless.

I keep a copy of Firefox Portable 55 running exclusively to mine things from a local clipboard inserter page.

point 00000000007 cents have been deposited into you mozilla account

>>19816503
>I keep a copy of Firefox Portable 55 running exclusively to mine things from a local clipboard inserter page.
how does that even work?

>>19816498
The konosuba one is fun.

Also, not really radio or podcast but there's a good bit of in-character anime related stuff out there that's just audio, like drama CDs and the Monogatari commentary.

>>19816489
Not necessarily. Most relevant websites today use HTTPS, so what you do on a website is only known to you and the server of the website. The government or your ISP could only be looking at what websites you're connecting to, unless you're using a VPN.

>exchanged public keys beforehand when meeting in person
Unless you're using sub 1024-bit public keys, you can share them safely over any channel. Real paranoid people can use 2048- or 4096-bit keys.

>>19816486
I did a deck of Japanese prefectures at one point to prepare myself for a month-long trip I took all around middle and Western Japan during this summer, but other than that, no. I mined while I was reading as well, but I usually checked whether a word was already in core 10k before I added it, and I only ended up mining about 600 words total. I still haven't started studying the cards in my mining deck yet since I finished Core10K, partially since I'm enjoying having fewer reps every day, and partially since it hardly even feels like I need to increase my vocabulary further. I can enjoy all of the media I care to without having to look up much at all, and I was frequently mistaken for being an expat who had lived in Japan for years while I was over there. One taxi driver asked 「何年間で日本に住んでますか？」, for example.
I used to keep up my studying motivation by telling myself constantly that I wasn't good enough and that I sucked terribly at Japanese, and needed to keep pushing really hard to have any chance of getting good, but a month of people mistaking me for a permanent resident of Japan as opposed to a tourist who had never been there admittedly probably gave me a bit of a big head, and I've stopped trying so hard as a result. I ought to get back into gear sometime soon, I suppose. N1 is coming up.

>>19816457
Oh, I thought 52 had already been killed off. Turns out it has 1 whole day left.

>>19816478
Yes. Every vulnerability highlighted in red on the mozilla.org page I linked in >>19816474 can be triggered simply by you visiting an infected webpage. Zero interaction is required from you beyond that in order for your system to be compromised.

>>19816551
Alright, I'm sold. I'll give Core 10k a go then. Thanks.

and so we lost another one

>>19816551
>何年間で日本に住んでますか？
This sentence is wrong. Are you sure you know Japanese?

I still don't get the なの/のだ/なのだ i know なんだ like in 何だこれは! and i know the そうなんだ but i don't think I really get the third meaning

Correct me where i'm wrong
like if someone says xのだ it means
>whose pencil is that
>matt(の)だ
matt('s)is

>why aren't you reading
>kusopostingu(の)だ
i.e. the reason why you aren't reading is because shitposting is too attractive
>(the fault) is of shitposting's
i guess xなの is the same as this but just with an implicit だ for different feeling to it probably colder or more feminine because manly characters always say だ and are sure of themselves

based on my observations な is there to make it clearer kind of like with na-adjectives
なんだ and んだ are just making it shorter and the なのだ is separate from なんだ as in
>who's the worst eceleb
>nukeduckなんだ

i should probably read a grammar guide trying to decipher grammar rules with just vocab and immersion is difficult, it originally took me pretty long to get のに but i guess it's kind of like なのに except it's of/because instead of despite
i feel hella 五里霧中 here so if anyone can help a brother out

its not reading a grammar guide you need its watching 10000 hours of ptbr subbed anime you need

>>19816603

ジムのだ。
It is of Jim. (It is Jim’s.)
ジムなのだ。
It is Jim (with explanatory tone).

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/nounparticles#The_particle

>>19816599
If you'd ever spoken with a native you'd know that spoken Japanese doesn't follow the rules too closely.
I'll humor you though, if you'll explain exactly how you think it's wrong.

>>19816603
>trying to decipher grammar rules with just vocab and immersion is difficult,
Don't try to decipher grammar rules, don't overthink stuff, just feel. If you really NEED to overanalyze every single word go read a grammar guide.

>何で 私だけが こんな目に？
>Why is this happening to me?!

i dont get why this is translated like this

>>19816632
>It is of Jim.
Why on earth did he ever think these ultra-literal translations were a good idea?

>>19816655
never assume you know what something means just because you recognize all the words

expressions exists desu yo

>bon appetit
>siesta

>>19816655
目に = 目に合う

>>19816659
because they are? only Anglos struggle with this because your language is so fucking stiff you need to know every little detail

>>19816669
>目に合う
*目に遭う

fucking useless ime

>>19816655
always enjoy some good classic noobs literal translating every word posting

daily reminder that native English speakers need to go through many obstaces just to pronounce Japanese words due to how retarded their language's pronunciation to spelling rules are
daily reminder that Germanics and other autists use articles that have no fucking meaning and just bloat their speech

you mean like です lol

>>19816676
aaaaaah.. thats quite helpful thanks

>>19816686
it has fucking meaning of making your speech polite
the same as Sie in German or Pan/Pani in Polish

it in and of itself doesnt make you polite its merely a formality aka bloat

>>19816642
何年間で means how many years it took to do (finish) something. Either 何年 or 何年間 would make sense but 何年間で is not the same form of word.

This is not really a case of bending the rules, a weird stutter maybe, but then why would you put it in your version. I am not a newbie who hasn't talked to any natives, idk why you are being condescending off the bat having your sentence corrected.

it is a bloat if you find culture inposed rules and customs a bloat of life edgy weeb
articles on the other hand are utter bloat that has nothing to do with anything

>>19816599
>何年間で日本に住んでますか？

Not the one you're responding to but where is the mistake? Is it only 住んでます that should be 住んでいます?

>>19816718
erm *wiping down face with stridex pad* i prefer the term otaku

dessss

butthurt slav detected

>>19816728
>the term
god, a dumb anglo wouldn't compute the sentence if there was no article at all there right

I've been building up a yomichan deck for awhile but not actually using it. Anki has all the cards as mature because it automatically starts the process with a new deck. Can I take all those cards and make a fresh new deck with them starting from square one?

>>19816732
desoo neehh

>>19816733
>Anki has all the cards as mature because it automatically starts the process with a new deck.

That's not how anything works

>>19816733
Export without scheduling info and import maybe?

>>19816740
My explanation of the process is probably flawed but it still has all the cards ready for study instead of introducing 20 per day, and that is my problem. I want to start with 20 like the deck was new, not start with 400. That will throw everything off for awhile.

>>19816742
Thanks, I'll look into that.

>>19815022
if you're not motivated now what makes you think you ever will be
periods of discouragement come and go but if overall you aren't excited to learn japanese you're just going to spend 3 years and then blog about how you wasted thousands of hours on something you didn't actually want to do
kids these days

kids will do anything for just a taste of nippon manju

>>19816673
>because they are?
No they're not, they're just confusing. Genki (and pretty much every other resource out there) is much better at explaining grammar than Tae Kim.

>only Anglos struggle with this
And guess who this guide written in English is aimed at. Hurrrrr

>>19815022
>>19816762
Pretty much. The period where you can really clearly see how you're improving felt very short to me, now I'm probably in this thing people call "intermediate hell", where you can't notice shit because you know the most commonly used words/phrases/etc already. Enjoy the ride, not the destination. You're not gonna reach it anyway.

>>19816795
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8-vje-bq9c

haha he got the ref ftw

>>19816825
Yep! Do you like Ladybaby also?

not particularly but i remembered that one

>>19816716
Oh hey you're right. I didn't question whether or not what he said was correct at the time, maybe he just misspoke but I remember distinctly what he said.
Anyway thanks for the correction, I needed that since if I was better at nihongo I'd have noticed.
>idk why you are being condescending off the bat having your sentence corrected
I hadn't come back to DJT in a long time before today, but the DJT I know is chock full of N5君 know-nothings that just love to give advice. Call it a knee-jerk reaction.

>>19816796
english is the universal language, not only EOPs can read it

「しかし冬が終わり、渡りの季節が近づいてきた。
Can someone explain to me please? Does it say it like it's right now? or the winter is approaching?

>>19816854
but im terrible spraka finks härits soppa hemmets

>>19816904
you wanna run that by me one more time maybe a little more in depth

Why is it that whenever someone talks about reading a book in a foreign language it is every single time without fail Harry Potter? What is even the point of learning a foreign language if your just going to read an English book. Anyone else notice this?

>>19816909
never though id get embarrrased over a bad 4chan post but here it is.

sorry

>>19816944
>reading Harry Potter in any language, let alone foreign
You might want to speak with different people

>>19815880
I imported a shit ton of jap saturn games over 10 years ago.
Still have to play them.

>>19816944
its a childrens book theyve read

>>19816928
does this sentence indicate that:
>there is spring already
or
>spring is coming

dae anyone else just hate normies reading ハリー・ポッターシリーズ baka

>>19816971
it's gotten closer

>>19816955
you are the guy who can 乗り越える and 壁を踏みつける

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPGQjDG8pCw#t=44

>>19816971
your 春 draws a bit more near

>>19816988
Damn Japanese rap is pitiful, they can't even rhyme literally.

>>19816988
>your 春 draws a bit more near
but how come it close near when winter is over it should make it spring instantly.

>>19816971
>spring is coming
((winter is over. winter is ending.))

>>19817004
even ydizzy is better than this shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Flx8kEa-YE#t=71

>>19816432
>>19816444
>>19816474
I'm not updating because I have multiple addons that aren't supported in quantum, and because updating would 100% break my userChrome.css which I'm too lazy to update once again.
Faggots

its always rap aint it the crazy ones always go for rap why cant it be something mellow like math rock or folk

>>19817025
what addons do you need other than ublock origin or umatrix

exhentai easy 2

>>19816849
Or maybe you misheard. I mean using anki let alone core 10k proves you have mental retardation.

>>19816762
>if you're not motivated now what makes you think you ever will be
because as it becomes more comprehensible you can enjoy it more and more for its own sake. were you just pretending?

>>19817049
vimfx, rikaisama (obviously), stylus, tampermonkey
2lazy4updating

>>19817029
what?

>>19817065
you sound like you're in the same boat and you're chasing the dream that "in a year everything will be easy to understand and reading will be fun"
you'll make progress but the struggle wont go away for a long time, if you can't enjoy the process you're not going to make it to the point where everything is easy
i agree that it becomes more enjoyable when the input is more comprehensible, but that doesn't happen as fast as you think unless you self-sabotage with "i'm only going to consume easy media from now on so that i get my enjoyment"
so the more important thing is to enjoy the progress and enjoy whatever understanding you have, no matter how much you don't understand

>>19817093
i'm not going to enjoy it but i'm going to keep going.

>>19817099
you will for now
the idea that you will enjoy reading when there is no struggle is an assumption that requires a huge time investment to confirm
the fact of whether you enjoy reading and progressing now is something you already know
you may regret it is all i'm saying, and maybe you wont, but recognize the possibility

>>19804433

>>19817118
based santa poster

>>19817099
Do you like reading in English? If not then what makes you think you will in Japanese?

more like based santa

god bless santa

>>19817132
>Do you like reading in English?
yea

>>19817132
because japanese everything is just better

>>19817156
unsure if ironic but i was going to post this ironically

no i definitely posted that in ridicule of empty souls falsely believing that japanese anything is going to fill the void

>>19817132
Why would anyone bother coming here if they didn't like reading in English

>>19816944
it's comprehensible input
i'm reading sherlock homes in nipponese since i've read them in english before, and that makes the japanese version more comprehensible to me

>>19817209
>comprehensible input vs compelling input
guess which one is the way of the dekinal

>>19817215
... obviously they're also compelling input to me, otherwise i wouldn't have read them in english

>>19817173
that's easy, djt isn't reading (in any language)

If you don't know Japanese then you aren't watching anime or reading manga, but instead consuming pic related's fanfiction.

>>19817224
OK bro

I feel like we need to change the name of RATTATA.

A. it does not include listening
B. micro-dosing on LSD is way better than amphetamines.

と思います

>>19817234
id still say that thats fine if youre having fun

>>19817209
i've never used japanese translations for reading practice, but my assumption is that they are okay for grammar and vocab but bad for natural japanese
escaping translations is part of the reason i'm learning japanese to begin with, why would i want to switch from consuming natural japanese turned into unnatural english to consuming natural english turned into unnatural japanese
you can make correct sentences but you're still often translating things that people don't actually say in the target language
i'm open to hearing other opinions

>>19817252
A is valid but if you encourage all these dekinai seeking step-by-step instructions on life to do real drugs this thread will actually get worse

>>19817223
Still not as compelling as reading something you are interested in and haven't read before, with bonus points for having a shitty translation or no translation at all

>>19817274
We just tell them how to do Krokodil, they won't bother us for long.

>>19817277
>Still not as compelling
Are you him?

>>19816517
portable versions do not interfere with anything

>>19817260
I would agree if your assumption that the translation is necessarily unnatural were true, which I'm not sure it is. I've read Harry Potter in my native language a long time ago and it never sounded unnatural to me, it was just like any other book. If you hadn't told me it was a translation I wouldn't have known.
Now, I haven't read it in Japanese and I'm not good enough to judge the quality of the Japanese translation of Harry Potter, but for a title like that, I think it's fair to assume that it reads just fine.

お疲れちゃん～