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This is a Japanese language learning thread for people interested in anime, manga, visual novels, light novels and Japanese video games.
If you have no interest in the above or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Read the guide before asking questions.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/

Old guide site below.
https://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>19792248

>> No.19803062

15位。バーガーキング足レッタス。バーガーキングのバーガーの材料として最も欲しくないのは誰かの足菌腫。結論から言うとそれはやっぱり貰うこともあります。4ちゃんの匿名のポスターがウエブサイトに自分の足をプラスチックのレッタス容器に入れたをアップロードした。それとともに「これはバーガーキングで食べられるレッタスだぞ」のメッセジーを投稿した。彼は靴を履いてたけどそれの方が悪い。

>> No.19803085

wow threads barely started and ive already lost 50 iq points

>> No.19803088
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>と申します

>> No.19803093
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>> No.19803099

Check out my class project!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z6tMQxzeGE

>> No.19803112
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>> No.19803121

>>19803099
Why does he sound like an african

>> No.19803130

Thank fucking god for the DoJG anki deck. Shout out to whoever made/contributed to it. You're nice people despite your bad rep.

>> No.19803137
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>>19803099

>> No.19803141

what the fuck is your problem

>> No.19803142
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19803142

Guys, I was checking out the JLPT N5 deck and after 300 cards I snapped out of it and realised how fucking retarded what I'm doing is.
Tell me what can I possibly do from now on:
>know kana 10/10
>went thru RTK1+3, but I know how to write from memory about 2000 kanji
>went thru Tae Kim's grammar guide
>started mining graded readers, but realised maybe it's better to mine harder stuff that I'm more interested in

so should I just immerse and mine words from this point on? I did try the Core deck in the past but I'm not super convinced about it, it actually reminded me going thru that fucking JLPT deck

>> No.19803149

>>19803057
We really need a new guide with all of the dumb bloat added in by clueless beginners cut out. People are actually going to read some of the idiotic shit in here and think it's good advice.

>> No.19803150

>>19803142
>so should I just immerse and mine words from this point on?
yes

>started mining graded readers, but realised maybe it's better to mine harder stuff that I'm more interested in
either one is fine, the important part is that you do it a lot

>> No.19803151

>>19803142
PS I was just too autististic about everything in my now year long "journey". I wanted to understand and remember too much, maybe I should give up on reading by hand for now too. I clinged onto details instead of going with the flow of things.

>> No.19803153

take it from someone who hasn't even finished tae kim that the first thing you should do now that you're somewhat familiar with grammar is just dive into native material you think you would actually enjoy, like a VN or LN.

i know this will work because i'll do it and get good results so you should too. trust me.

>> No.19803154

how long have you been *airquotes* learning japanese and how much of this do you understand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYzemVliRC8#t=95

>> No.19803161

>>19803099
Chick's hot, give me her phone number. The rest of yall is weeb faggggs

>> No.19803162

>>19803142
Either do Core or mine. Either one is probably fine. If you are doing the N5 deck from Nukemarine, I think he said in his video that they don't even use kanji in that deck, so it is a complete waste of time.

>> No.19803169

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_EQDtpYSNM

FRIENDLY REMINDER

>> No.19803174

>>19803162
I did it because of my autistic nature of having to repeat things so "I get them right". I wanted to be sure I know every N5 word etc.

>> No.19803196

djts great for talking about learning japanese but where do i go to actually learn japanese

>> No.19803206

>>19803196
a book

>> No.19803230

>>19803206
i cant read book

>> No.19803232

>>19803230
if book too hard read book - 1

>> No.19803242

I finished reading Tae Kim, should i go through the first 500 of Anki or should I jump right into Yotsubato

>> No.19803250

>>19803232
ok found readable book (unko chan kekkon suru) but i dont know what the words mean or even what words are

>> No.19803252

>>19803250
sentence too hard try sentence - 1

>> No.19803257

>>19803206
或本?

>> No.19803264

>>19803252
there nothing easier than a book about a feminine unko for children

>> No.19803265

pls post more funny romaji memes like watashi wa gei desu xD

>> No.19803275

kimino kao

>> No.19803281

>>19803242
Honestly there's no reason not to do both at the same time. I don't know about anyone else here but doing vocab in anki with no context/reference to native material I remotely care about made my retention really bad (60% or lower).

But if I encounter that word in text it makes it stick way better. If you really want to just do anki then try it and see if your retention is good after a week, then adjust accordingly.

>> No.19803286

>>19803265
i dream of getting good at japanese and then only posting here in romaji. i hope i make it

>> No.19803289

>>19803281
Yotsuba is a bad recommendation because it doesnt take under consideration that the person may not like it. Like the best material there is is the one that a person wants to read.

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the harder you try to learn japanese the more you cant

>> No.19803301

the olympics were a mistake.

>> No.19803306

>>19803289
True. It's what he mentioned so I assumed it's what he thinks he's interested in.

>> No.19803310

cant wait to go to the olympics and put my djt sponsored nihongo skills to the test bleaching and blacking various japanese women

>> No.19803316

>>19803301
will we have learnt Japanese in time before they start?

>> No.19803335

>>19803289
im only interested in natume soseki but its just freaking impossible

>> No.19803345

>>19803301
The olympics is how my Japanese learning is going to pay off. I'll sit and watch the olympics with my family and tell them what random kanji mean.

>> No.19803349

hi all just decided to learn japanese today

how many ankis do i have to do to learn japanese

>> No.19803358

>>19803335
I'm only interested in JPOP idols, now beat that as far as reading is concerned I only can read their blog posts and matome from 2chan

>> No.19803361

Any suggestions for interesting Japanese live shows/ movies that should be watched subtitle-less ? I could watch anime without subtitles but the only series that interest me are ones that I'd like to understand and not ruin my first experience watching them by not understanding 99% of what is said.

>> No.19803371

>>19803358
congratulations on being interested in literal children

>> No.19803372
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>>19803349
you need to go through all of these Memrise courses and you'll be fluent at Japanese

>> No.19803381

>>19803345
You can just do rtk.

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>>19803371
>congratulations on being interested in literal children
I follow them well in their 30s bro, but nothing wrong with what you said either

>> No.19803389

>>19803382
that girls more ripped than you

>> No.19803390

>>19803381
Yea that's what I did. I basically learned all I need to know so I can just hang out here all day.

>> No.19803392

>>19803389
soudesune

>> No.19803405

>>19803372
dont link me nuke marine i wanna actually learn japanese not just hang out around it

>> No.19803428

How much can you bench DJT? Don't tell me you think you can get a japanese wife just because you speak the language

>> No.19803439

>>19803428
Japanese women are more interested in chads who speak only their native language than fucking nerds who put effort into learning someone's language like betas
not even trolling

>> No.19803442

>>19803428
As much as your average johnny.

>> No.19803443

オマエ タチ ハ ナンジ ネル カイ?

>> No.19803448

>>19803428
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS9Gg_XKuxY vid of me at the gym

>>19803439
yeah but thats a different kind of interested

>> No.19803454

>>19803428
120kg but I'm only a year in, ガンバリマス

>> No.19803462

How long would it take me to actually be able to read mango? Might as well do something since I'm literally a neet now.

>> No.19803471

>>19803428
i dont bench or anything upper body i just go to the gym on leg day

>> No.19803475

>>19803462
If you can read kana you can start today. モノハタメシ

>> No.19803486

>>19803462
You learn hiragana + katakana in two weeks, from there on just use the Core2k deck until you reach 1000/1500/2000 which is 50/75/100 days assuming you do 20 new cards a day.

So 114 days at worst, assuming you also study the necessary grammar on the side.

>> No.19803490

>>19803462
Right away. You'll be slow and misunderstand a lot but give it a couple of months and you'll make considerable progress.

>> No.19803497

>>19803486
>>19803490
Thanks, does the guide above has the stuff i need?

>> No.19803503

>>19803497
no

>> No.19803505

>>19803486
Actually Core is a meme and you should stop at about 500 if you do it at all

>> No.19803513

>>19803497
The materials you need are scathered through the japanese internet, you need to find the 30 sacred puzzle pieces and follow the instructions to recieve the holy works of old

>> No.19803514

>>19803169
so I watched the video and I wonder about comprehensive input - of course at first you don't understand anything from what you watch and then you very slowly may pick word by word, check meaning of this and that and these will stuck in your head much better than if you learned them otherwise BUT isn't that time you watch shit where you don't understand shit too long in the way that you could've learned much more vocab through an Anki deck (with lower retention, but higher quantity)??

>> No.19803519

>>19803505
Don't listen to this guy he's retarded

>> No.19803547

>>19803448
Sure fag

>> No.19803551

>>19803519
The most common 6k words are so damn common that if you just cracked open literally any piece of japanese text they will all be there, spaced out in perfect context. It is natures SRS. Anki only makes sense for stuff that is actually rare.

>> No.19803558

dont listen to the posters from >>19803057 to >>19803551 these guys are retarded

>> No.19803561

the real retards are anyone who would listen to advice in this thread

>> No.19803565

>>19803514
just do a few minutes of anki per day and the rest input

>> No.19803567

>>19803551
dude just stop, you're embarassing yourself

>> No.19803572

>>19803551
you've got a point, if a word is super common you will encounter it in whatever you're reading or watching all the time. you won't be able to remember all the core deck words, there's too much of it at once and to keep retention going it's all a matter of months

>> No.19803573

Ok, I'm gonna need all the anki drones to leave. It is getting a bit stuffy in here. Don't you have reps to do anyways?

>> No.19803582

>>19803573
>he doesn't have the willpower to concentrate for 30 minutes a day
出来ない

>> No.19803583

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_EQDtpYSNM
This video posted in the last thread says that watching Japanese with English subtitles gives a 0% improvement, watching without any subtitles gives a 7% improvement, and watching with Japanese subtitles gives a 17% improvement.*

Is Matt wrong? Should we be watching with Japanese subtitles afterall?

*The study was actually Spanish speakers learning English, but it should apply to Japanese.

>> No.19803588

>>19803583
You're watching stuff to improve your listening, reading the subs defeats the whole point.

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if youre reading this anything you do gives 0% improvement

now accept your fate

>> No.19803599

>>19803142
>so should I just immerse
Yes. Break out that NTR eroge you've been dying to read and get to it.

>and mine words
Heavens, no.

>> No.19803600

>>19803582
Its called reading/listening for an extra 30 minutes. You have a limited amount of time and energy per day, use it wisely.

>> No.19803601

>>19803583
Seeing as how like 4+ people have followed Matt's advice and gotten really good listening ability after a year, meanwhile people here hate listening so much they only listen for like an hour a day WITH subtitles, I'm leaning toward Matt being right about subtitles.

>> No.19803605

A human is apparently unable to listen and read at the same time

>> No.19803614

why arent you working on your anime 10k right now

>> No.19803629

If you watch with Japanese subtitles you're not going to improve your ability to parse the sounds of the language. It's just glorified reading practice.

>> No.19803640

>>19803583
I doubt it can be directly transfered to Japanese. Subtitles won't help that much if you can't read the kanji, so you probably need a baseline at first. There's also the fact that Spanish and English are still relatively close, so seeing a word can sometimes be enough to understand the meaning (eg explain - explicar). Still, it's probably pretty helpful when learning a language and as listening practice. I wish English movies and series had subtitles sometimes, cause the sound directing is total garbage.

>> No.19803641

>>19803599
>Heavens, no.
I meant mining sentences, is that still bad?

>> No.19803642

youre supposed to watch with subs in your native language

>> No.19803648

mining doesnt help you its just another retarded thing people do to try to keep the sand from slipping through their fingers

>> No.19803649

>>19803583
>watching Japanese with English subtitles gives a 0% improvement
How did I learn Japanese from English subbed anime then? Sounds like they don't know what they are talking about

>> No.19803655

>>19803649
if youre going to credit it all to anime you probably didnt learn japanese and furthermore your japanese is probably about as good as your english subtitles

>> No.19803660

I watched 90 episodes of 遊戯王 over the last week and I think my Japanese speaking ability is starting to improve! I can't wait to have a conversation with a real person so I can show off what I've learned.

>> No.19803664

Id say you would still learn some listening just not as much and more laid back, think it would b weird if u read while listening and ur brain would just fuck off ur shit and ho full mental aids and basicly like send u 2 reddit where u can die with all other fags of kys

>> No.19803675

>>19803641
Anki is for losers. So long as you don't do something stupid like using Yomichan or Rikaichamp to look up words for you, you can learn words just from reading hentai games.

https://ask.fm/moogy0/answers/139549834452

>> No.19803682

>>19803583
Here is the study.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0158409

>watched a 1h-long episode of a TV drama
One hour. You can't improve shit percent of shit in one hour.

>> No.19803688

>>19803675
>So long as you don't do something stupid like using Yomichan or Rikaichamp to look up words for you
wait should i drop yomichan? idk how else i'll comprehend input.

>> No.19803695

>>19803655
I went from 0 knowledge of Japanese to being able to chat with natives with just anime

>> No.19803696

>>19803688
you gotta do it the old fashioned way its absolutely mandatory otherwise youre not gonna spend quality time with the language at all

>> No.19803704

>>19803695
nandato?!

>> No.19803705

>>19803688
He is memeing, you shouldn't. Although if you instantly look up every word with yomichan, not making an effort to understand it before, that's not a good way to read.

>> No.19803709

>>19803660
Which yugioh, and be careful with your answer.

>> No.19803710

>>19803682
>with English subtitles (N = 20), Spanish subtitles (N = 20) or no subtitles (N = 20)
Into the trash it goes.

>> No.19803714

>>19803682
lol

>> No.19803715

>>19803709
yugioh 5dz nutz

>> No.19803717

>>19803688
Use other ways of looking up words (Jisho, EPWING readers) where you actually have to pay attention to the words you're looking up rather than just mousing over and immediately forgetting them.

>> No.19803718

>>19803717
You can use EPWING with yomichan. Also
>The more cumbersome to use something is, the better you'll retain it
lol

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>>19803715
Yeah, gonna have to send you to the shadow realm.

>> No.19803728

>>19803720
you aint sendin shit bro we already there its this thread

>> No.19803735

>>19803718
>You can use EPWING with yomichan.
You can use JMDICT with Yomichan too. So what? Doesn't change the fact that it's harmful by virtue of encouraging poor reading practices.

>> No.19803742

>>19803720
she pretty

>> No.19803755

Why the hell do the Japanese use ジャンプ instead of 跳ぶ

>> No.19803762

>>19803640
>Subtitles won't help that much if you can't read the kanji
Wonder how much watching anime with Japanese subtitles helps with kanji acquisition. Anyone know any studies on this?

>> No.19803767

Is keyhole tv done for? I can get it working but it chops in video on sound every other second. Anybody know a fix?

>> No.19803777

>>19803428
I can bench 80kg on a good day, please go easy on me I just started a few months ago.

>> No.19803778

>>19803762
More exposition is always good I guess. Especially if, as the video says, you need context like pictures to learn things.

>> No.19803793

https://www.buzzfeed.com/lukedhanjal/jokes-about-learning-a-new-language
If you enjoy cringing and want to understand everything you should not do
god this makes me sick

>> No.19803796

literally how to learn japanese

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQBlpBuVfD8

>> No.19803799

>>19803640
Also
>I wish English movies and series had subtitles sometimes, cause the sound directing is total garbage.
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. English is my native language and I still watch most English movies with subs because the audio is so shit. I don't know if it's a problem with the mics or editing or if it's the actors mumbling their lines, but I have this problem with near every single movie that I watch.

>> No.19803838

>>19803755
Why the hell do English people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_with_dual_French_and_Anglo-Saxon_variations

>> No.19803840

>>19803793
just the mere mention of buzzfeed will do it for me

>> No.19803846
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I read an interview with James Heisig where he mentioned learning to speak Japanese by playing with children, somewhere up in the mountains. How could you even make this stuff up? So when I heard the man was in Tokyo, I knew I had to ask him about it.

Because here’s the extent of what I learned from children by teaching grade school in Japan for several years: The word for lunch. How to say “I’m so cold.” How to say “I’m so hot.” How to grab your teacher’s penis and exclaim “bigu sticku.” How to insert your fingers up his butt in a move known as the kancho. Beyond that, children typically ramble about some toy or cartoon or playground game. They’re not going to coach you on how to make hotel reservations or order up another plate of gyoza. The idea that one could learn to speak from them is insane. They can’t even use the language decently themselves. That’s because they’re freaking kids.

I met Heisig at a writer’s workshop. He seemed a pleasant enough fellow, and a fine teller of grandiose stories. After listening to his well-polished tale about singlehandedly inventing a way of learning Japanese characters that millions of Japanese folks had never thought of in their thousands of years of history, I finally got a chance to ask him, “How did you learn to speak it?”

“I played baseball with the kids,” was his reply. “Up in the mountains. In Nagano.

“You played baseball?” I asked. “With children?

“Yep.

“And that’s how you learned to speak Japanese?

“Sure. Children are the best teachers.”

Now, that sounds reasonable. Everybody nodded. But it isn’t reasonable. It sounds good, but it’s actually nuts. Children are the worst teachers. They make no damn sense.

You know, over the years, I’ve asked many people how they learned Japanese, and their answers consistently fall into one of two categories. They either describe a systematic method pursued diligently over the course of several years, or they make up some convenient bullshit because they don’t really want to respond to the question. I looked at Heisig, and had my answer.

>> No.19803847

so comprehensive input - I'm going to watch my favourite TV show all the time and that's it? I will learn Japanese like that?

>> No.19803851

>>19803847
yes

>> No.19803856

>>19803846
but japanese is actually bullshit

>> No.19803867

>>19803799
Even if you're lucky enough and the voices aren't drowned by some background noise like rain or the likes, it can still be hard if they're mumbling. Death Note live action for example had that breakfast scene where, if I had mumbled like that, I would've been scolded by my parents. Actual acting should be clearer than the usual if you ask, but nah not on English screens. Funnily enough, most game dubs don't have that problem, they're as clear as it can get.

>> No.19803945

A thread or two ago, people were saying that it takes 20 VNs to become good at reading. How many LNs is that?

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>>19803846
He also read their textbooks and participated in family life when he wasn't playing with little boys.

>> No.19803951

oh man dude i love game dubs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoODv8LVib8

>> No.19803962

>>19803945

>> No.19803980

>>19803945
About 120, assuming a VN takes 30 hours to read and an LN takes 5 hours.

>> No.19803998

how much japanese is too much

>> No.19804036

>>19803998
you feel it, it's not a rule set in stone

>> No.19804048

reminder that if you don't do individual kanji study you'll never be able to read names or chuuni chants

>> No.19804058

not true at all because all the fun japanese media ive consumed was my srs

>> No.19804064

>>19803998
>>19804036
>>19804048
>>19804058
samefag

>> No.19804065

I'm almost 2 / 6k in Core 6k, is it worth continuing for the remaining 4k or is that a waste of time?

>> No.19804077

>>19804064
i'm only one of those but i don't have the energy to even capitalize letters because i work 45 hours a week and thus can't learn japanese

>> No.19804078

>>19804065
what count's as
>I'm almost 2 / 6k in Core 6k
you reviewed 2k cards once and that's it? I don't mean it in judgemental way, only genuinely curious how all that stuff works and what counts as learned material
how long did it take you?

>> No.19804082

how do I search a word that I don't know in a dictionary? In the browser it's pretty easy as I have yomichan and can copy-paste it to search but in a VN or in a book I can't do that. What dictionary do you use and how do you search for a word?

>> No.19804092

>>19804064
50% isnt a passing score

>>19804082
step 1 secure a dictionary
step 2 open it
step 3 turn to the page with what youre looking for on it
???
you still dont know japanese

>> No.19804096

>>19804078
The program will keep going because I have Core 6k installed instead of Core 2k, but I can simply delete the remaining 4k unseen cards at this point if it's not worth it. The program adds 20 new cards per day, and I have reached the 2k mark.

>> No.19804112

>>19804096
so that's considered as 'good to go'? j

>> No.19804117

>>19804082
the jsho app for android is great, you can look it up by radical. That's what I use when I'm in my mobage, alt tab to jisho, look it up, save the word to my list in a different app (akebi), and then tab back to the game and keep reading

>> No.19804124

>>19804112
I don't know, I am asking other anons if it is worth continuing with the remaining 4k or not because I have heard that sentiment expressed before. The alternative to learning 6k is to ditch the deck and just read / listen / etc to other media.

>> No.19804145

>>19803846
I think we all know what this Papist really means when he says "baseball".

>> No.19804158

>>19804078
It means he has done 2000 new cards. Most of these cards he has already reviewed a lot of times. Check out how Anki works.

>>19804124
It's not worth it at all, just start mining. 2k is already way too much.

>> No.19804164

>>19804092
of course I don't, that's why I'm asking how to use a dictionary so I can be better prepared to read

>>19804117
thank you, I'm going to test it out

>> No.19804192

>>19804164
your mentality is all fucked up youre gonna suck and give up and move on with your life guaranteed

>> No.19804196

>>19804158
>2k is already way too much
You say that, but even with 2k down I'm still seeing multiple new words per sentence. A single article alone would be enough to create a whole deck of new cards. 2k doesn't seem like a lot.

>> No.19804199

>>19804164
It might be difficult to use if you are not familiar with radicals. The akebi app has similar features but the way Jisho is laid out is just more intuitive (scrolling vertically). Akebi also has a "draw" kanji feature but if you don't use proper stroke order I'm not sure what kind of results you'll have. I like akebi because I save lists of vocab words, export them as a text file, and add them to my mining deck.

>> No.19804216

>>19804192
please tell me what I am doing wrong, even if my failure is inevitable I wish to know why you say so

>> No.19804217

>>19804164
The best thing about jisho is the option to send words to anki, it makes it a whole lot easier to add new words. I really advise you to study radicals though, at least the more common ones.

>> No.19804221

>>19804145
>muh catlicks are pedos
>muh sola fide hurr duurr
>I hate mary lol
>What do you mean peter was the first pope
It's the best you can do.

>> No.19804227

>>19804196
I don't care what the thread says, I'm doing 6k 'til completion. Anki hurts my soul and all this pain has to bring massive benefits.

>> No.19804229
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>>19804216
because you can't just go learn japanese instead of asking about it in this shitty dump of a thread

>> No.19804232

>>19804227
That's fine as long as you are making sure to read for several hours each day.

>> No.19804234

>>19804221
Based. I didn't even know heisig was a jesuit. I guess I have to start shilling for RTK now

>> No.19804237

>>19804232
I listen to japanese music for 1/2 hours, watch unsubbed japanese media for 2 and read for 1 in addition to my 1½ hours in Anki.

>> No.19804238

>>19804196
>2k doesn't seem like a lot.
Then how about you learn the fucking dictionary before you ever try reading a single sencence.
2k isn't a whole lot, but learning 2k words in "isolation" (i.e. without any context or with no apparent purpose) is way too much. You can't learn Japanese.

>> No.19804239

>>19804227
ill be here after you do literally thousands of flash cards https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8xTWoTEK94

>> No.19804247

Sometimes I wonder what /jp/'s recommended studying routine would be like. It sounds like you'd have to be either a neet or a student to pull it off.

>> No.19804270

>>19804237
you won't learn shit through music anon, I have been listening to Japanese music for over a year non stop
but I guess you'll have to do it for yourself to find out I'm right

but I didn't specifically listen to music to learn Japanese either, it was more like white noise, I can't do reps with some audio cut out of anime, I need either nothing or music - it's about your expectations

>> No.19804273

>>19804217
>>19804199
once again, thank you, I've tried a bit and learned that I need more training with radicals.

>>19804229
this post violates global rule number 3:
"You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: (...)indecipherable text(...)"

>> No.19804279

>>19804238
so how much vocab is enough anon?

>> No.19804298

https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/9ca1zs/just_finished_twelve_weeks_of_japanese_class/

Cringe.

>> No.19804299

>>19804279
There's literally no such thing as "enough" vocab. Basics take a few months, grammar takes a few years, vocab is the rest of your life until you stop reading Japanese or die.

>> No.19804319

>>19804299
but in the context of the Core Deck how much do you recommend to go through, since you said 2k was too much? not learning any vocab at all from the deck and just starting to read right off?

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Honestly you could probably learn japanese just by watching gintama based on long it is?

と思う

>> No.19804324

>>19804247
The recommended studying routine is literally just read more. Listen more. Get input in japanese.

I have abundant free time but I don't even spend the most of it consuming japanese media. I probably average at like an hour a day of serious input in japanese, if that (this number is more or less pulled out of my ass), and yet I still know a real damn good amount after only three years. If you actually loved japanese media and reading and listening to japanese enough that you spent more time than me on it every day, you would easily learn it. There's no excuse other than simply not being in the right mindset. You view it as a school test you can study for and get full marks if you work hard enough, but the reality is it's a living language and all you have to do is make the decision to spend time trying to understand it, and keep spending time on it because you enjoy it. Then you will acquire it naturally.

>> No.19804326

>>19804322
Probably dude yeah.

>> No.19804327

guys I skimmed through "/jp/ anon guide" ( https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/anon/alternativeguide.html ) and it looks quite solid, what's the consensus on it?

>> No.19804331

>>19804279
2k is more than enough that's for sure.

>> No.19804337

>>19804324
>after only three years
you should be fluent in that time

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I may still be shit at the language, but my cards look good now

>> No.19804364

>>19804337
Who knows, maybe I would be if I actually spent something like 5 hours a day reading and watching shit in japanese as prescribed.

If anyone actually did this like DJT told them to and is fluent after 36 months it would be cool to see them show it off.

>> No.19804373

>>19804221
>>muh catlicks are pedos
Your memetext doesn't stop it from being true.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45190355

>> No.19804383

>>19804348
No they don't, the kanji in your example sentence are in mincho and the kana are in gothic.

>> No.19804403

>>19804322
363 episodes = a mere 121 hours of listening material

no

>> No.19804417

>>19804322
I've watched it, you definitely improve watching it all but not nearly enough to say it contributed significantly to the road towards proficiency.

>> No.19804424

>>19804403
Including all seasons and movies?
just rewatch it like 10 times

>> No.19804433

>>19804247
not /jp/ but

10000 hours of anime subbed in your native language

engage with any and all other 2d japanese media you want including more anime all day every day for a good while

go straight to good end

or start engaging with japanese in the 3d world as well and spend time in japan letting society naturally give form to and refine your japanese

then you have one more big choice: decide to live in your home country or renounce your citizenship there and gain permanent japanese citizenship

if white pig go home with no regrets also go to good end

if else then go to true end https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTkQHGsiSlU

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>> No.19804476

>>19804348
No they don't, the look like a .io domain website.

>> No.19804477

ウニ

>> No.19804483

>>19804424
Including the movies you reach up to 125 hours.

Actually, I should subtract the 3 minutes worth of OPs and EDs from this. The actual figure is 105 hours.

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What anime do you guys recommend for the best nip gains?

>> No.19804536

naurto

>> No.19804543

>>19804502
Naruto

>> No.19804550

>>19804462
アキ

>> No.19804557

>>19804550
ホワイ?

>> No.19804571

>>19804502
i dont think anyones posted it but naurto

>> No.19804576

>>19804502
monogatari but with the in-character audio commentary track

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>>19804373
It was a meme post in the first place.
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/88/Fallacy-of-Composition

As I said, while it's funny to watch you flail around, it's the most you can do. Or is it just that you're feeling over zealous from Pastor Jim's Bible Church today? Stfu

>> No.19804588

>>19804502
Naruto. Trust me

>> No.19804616

>>19804424
The problem isn't the length, it's the show. You can't learn a new language by skipping ahead. Gintama will sound like total gibberish to anyone who isn't at least high intermediate, and you will gain nothing from it.

>> No.19804622

>>19804462
i googled the answer its 犬 backwards

>>19804322
why the fuck would you watch gintama when you wont have the perspective needed to appreciate all the refs and jokes lmao

>> No.19804637

how do i turn off example sentences audio?

>> No.19804641

on winblows: go start > type appwiz.cpl > select anki > right click > uninstall

>> No.19804644

>>19804637
edit the deck and take out the audio field

come on you can figure this shit out on your own

>> No.19804650

>>19804641
if you're using winblows you should be uninstalling system32

>> No.19804658

>>19804650
in principle thats agreeable but this is the real world to accept winblows is to become mature as a person

>> No.19804691

from the guide:
>You may also consider doing the Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Anki deck to reinforce what you have learned.
is this worth doing?

>> No.19804710

https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/grammar/dojgmain.html

this doesn't work

>> No.19804712

>>19804691
In my experience that was the single most effective tool to get me going to the point where I could comfortably read without being constantly confused. If I started over again I would have started reading through the DoJG and started the deck immediately after tae kim.

>> No.19804722

>>19804712
thanks man!

>> No.19804756

>>19804712
cont:
Also, actually read the DoJG, it has some really cool sections like the section that explains how certain sounds tend to have semantic meaning. You wont be able to mix up 繋ぐ and 懐くafter learning THIS ONE SECRET JAPANESE TEACHERS DONT WANT YOU TO KNOW

>> No.19804769

>>19804622
>why the fuck would you watch gintama when you wont have the perspective needed to appreciate all the refs and jokes lmao

You will never learn japanese with that mentality.

>>19804616
When I watch a longer show, later on I start understanding a little bit better even if earlier on I felt like I only understood like 30%. I was mostly joking about gintama but you are wrong in your accessment if it would be anything like other longer shows I have seen like yu yu hakusho.

>> No.19804801

>>19804769
but thats gintamas whole thing wtf lmao

not all media is like that so im not sure what your point is other than you just wanted to blow some white noise my way

>> No.19804815

>>19804769
I think his point is that you should watch something that doesn't rely largely on cultural knowledge for its entertainment value when you barely have any cultural knowledge.

There are plenty of cartoons to watch that aren't like that, and otherwise interesting shit to read that will end up giving you that cultural knowledge without having to wade through a metric ton of jokes you have to research to find out why they're funny.

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>>19804801
Truly difficult references its got there.

>> No.19804847

then again i guess ill concede a little bit because gintama did start running in 2k6 when most djters were single digit age so 仕方がない or some shit

>>19804823
i never said shit was difficult otherwise it wouldnt be mainstream success but theres definitely more references and jokes about things of the time

i mean if you really want gintama have at it but i wouldnt point a boundless person to it as the first anime to watch

its like telling someone to read cross channel as their first eroge

>> No.19804854

I still can't fathom how gintama is the top rated anime in the west.

>> No.19804900

>>19804854
its probably truly not and is just a statistical anomaly

anyway this is the only top anime list in the west i look at https://www.animenfo.com/statistic/top.php?type=anime

>> No.19804915

>>19804847
I thought most people on djt have seen a lot of anime. I could imagine it being similar to lucky star except it would have a lot more action to subdue the talking. Overall It is probably not the best first raw anime but I don't think you will innately miss more than if you watched it with subs in comparison to how much you would miss from any other show. Also it has a lot of physical comedy.

>> No.19804955

>>19804915
if most people on djt saw a lot of anime it would be a better place

i mean its absolutely perfectly watchable subbed or whatever but if youre not really in tune with it and can see what its doing i personally dont recommend it unless its just the anime you really wanna watch

its whatever life aint about trying to autistically arrange activities in the perfect orders

its more important to want to do things

also lucky star is prolly way worse than gintama in those ways because of who it actually caters to which is real otaku and not the fake ass posers here

>> No.19804959

>>19804900
My reference is mal where all the opinionated retards(read: everyone) are.

>> No.19804964

>>19804959
i just linked a site that only old fags are gonna see and go oh wow this guy

>> No.19804970

My reading has improved a lot but I can still barely understand anything spoken. I'm like that guy that read all day but listened barely 1 hour per day. Did he ever learn how to listen? Did all his reading skills cause him to learn him to listen quickly? His video was 2 hours long so I didn't watch it.

>> No.19804988

>>19804970
You need some jdrama and jcartoons in your life.

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You guys can shit talk heisig if you want but he's still a level 99 weeb just like pic related. No one here even comes close.

>> No.19805013

>>19804970
just watch 10000 hours of anime here let me get you started https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTOZhZSr6RY

>>19805001
i dont have a problem with heisig heika i just think people dont know how to use his book in modern times

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if you don't know what kagami from lucky star is reading in this screencap, you don't know japanese

>> No.19805019

The hardest part of learning japanese is finding what to fucking watch and read. I have been sitting around on this thread for like 2 hours because I can't feel like watching anything.

>> No.19805031

>>19805016
Is that boku no pico

>> No.19805043

>>19805019
Why are you here and learning Japanese if you don't want to read and listen to anything in Japanese?

>> No.19805057

>>19805016
sorry fake otaku here my specialty is enjoying japanese media where all details are lost on me and i can only regurgitate main points and ideas of what i see on the screen or catchphrases

>>19805019
youre just a fuckin millennial brain cuck theres no hope for you unless you do an immediate digital detox for no less than six months and come back to the internet when you can use it responsibly

>> No.19805080

>>19805016
How do I know when it's offscreen you idiot?

>> No.19805084

>>19804970
>I'm like that guy that read all day but listened barely 1 hour per day.
He listened all day. He only actively listened 1 hour a day.

>> No.19805097

>>19805019
this makes no sense to me. i can understand not feeling like learning japanese hence why i just hang out in djt instead of listening or reading but there is plenty of japanese content to consume if you want to learn japanese

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>>19805043
I can almost always find something I want to read unless I am switching light novel series. I like anime and there is a lot I want to watch but I just watched one episode of two different shows today and I did not like either. Any recomendations? honestly I just want something good my japanese is already pretty good as I have been studying for over a year. Sorry for rambling.

>> No.19805122

>>19805016
It's that LN with UFO in the title that I've never read but seen the cover of several times on 4chan. Feels good to be a true otaku.

>> No.19805126

>>19805108
anime has genres you know just like any other medium

i cant recommend something when i dont know what you like i can only recommend what i like which theres literally over a thousand of those

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>>19805122
you cheated by looking at he english letters but yeah its iliyano sora ufono natu great job welcome to the nihongo club

>> No.19805387

The issue I have with watching Anime without Japanese subtitles is that I am not feeling like I am learning new words but merely improving on picking up what I already know. The fact that there is some things every episode I just have never seen before makes it that much less rewarding to watch without subtitles rather than just putting on the Japanese subtitles and mining it.

>> No.19805427

the issue youre having is youre brain cucked by this idea of trying to learn japanese instead of just enjoying the media in a natural flow

you can do that shit youre doing after you watched 10000 hours

>> No.19805432

you can disregard anything this man has to say because he said cucked and not ntrd

>> No.19805455

>>19804712
>>19804756
which card type is better man, cloze or recognition?

>> No.19805463

申し訳ございませんでした

>> No.19805533

>>19803682
I should learn my lesson about trusting studies cited in Youtube videos.

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What does this even mean

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>>19803057
Help. What does this say?

>> No.19805571

>>19805551
How do you even get confused by something like that?

>> No.19805572

>>19805551
something youll never be able to say about yourself

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>>19803846
That guy is focusing on the wrong thing. He didn't learn because of the children, but because of the baseball. Baseball is what truly connects the hearts of the American and Japanese people. It worked for Steve and he isn't even American.

>> No.19805586

>>19805571
Because I have no clue what that 日本語 was changed to

>> No.19805602

it makes you wonder why people even watch anime when they cant even appreciate it on the surface level

>> No.19805609

>>19805578
This is true, if you read and watch everything by Adachi Mitsuru you will learn Japanese.

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>>19805578
suddenly that baseball episode of samurai champloo makes sense

>> No.19805621

>>19804900
>3 Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien (2003)

>> No.19805633

>>19805621
ftw

>> No.19805656

>>19805602
But if they don't watch it, how are they gonna get to 10000 hours?

>> No.19805707

>>19805656
its the lumps you gotta take

>> No.19805780

>>19805656
I didn't keep track of how much subbed anime I watched. What are some "signs" that I am/am not at the 10000 hour mark.

>> No.19805788

>>19805780
Not having an intuitive understanding of basic Japanese.

>> No.19805814

>>19805780
Go to MAL and go through every anime and add the ones you've seen. That's what I did.

>> No.19805815

>>19805780
whats your favorite anime

>> No.19805820

>>19805815
Di Gi Charat

>> No.19805827

>>19805551
did they actually not sub this btw

>>19805820
huh i wouldnt be surprised if you were close to your 10k bro nice

>> No.19805839

>>19805814
I don't even remember what I have watched t b h sometimes I would start a show 6 episode in would realize I had already seen it.
>>19805815
Texhnolyze

>> No.19805848

>>19805839
>6 episode in would realize I had already seen it.
wasting effort on shows you don't even appreciate enough to remember. weird

>> No.19805850

>>19805839
oh sorry the test came back positive

you have aids

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>>19805827

>> No.19805870

i reckon most of you eop tards cant even remember what happened in any given anime youve watched

>>19805858
ahahahhaha hoyl shit

>> No.19805953 [DELETED] 

is it recommended to go through yotsuba vol. 1 and 2 or just the first one?

>> No.19805963 [DELETED] 

frankly its recommended to eat shit nyo

>> No.19805983

>One thing about Japanese culture is that they’re big on giving gifts.
why?

>> No.19805993

>>19804900
>OP
>9.3
Fucking disgusting.

>> No.19806003

>>19805983
maybe because its fucking nice?

>> No.19806010

>>19805551
"Au revoir" is actually in Japenglese.

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went through the guide in the OP and I have 2 questions regarding it:
1) is it recommended to go through yotsuba vol. 1 and 2 or just the first one?
2) for the DoJG deck (one with grammar definitions) which card type would be better for someone who's already went through Tae Kim - cloze or recognition?
3) how do I "use" the deck? let's say I use cloze deletion type of card, I see the gap and properly fill it, is that it? I can go on or should I read the additional examples or anything on the back side?

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>>19806050
1 frankly its recommended to eat shit nyo
2 see 1
3 see 1 and 2

>> No.19806069

>>19806050
1) It's recommended to go through the entire series.
2) Don't use it.
3) See above.

>> No.19806083

>>19806050
recognition, never cloze.

>> No.19806097

>>19806083
>never cloze
u fuking wot m8

>> No.19806099

cloze this thread for your nihongo health

>> No.19806108

really sick of being a beginner trying to give advice and then i get questioned by veterans. let me have this guys. they deserve to be misled.

>> No.19806112

i will not permit actively malicious activity only the passive stuff like the guide

>> No.19806160

妹がおしっこあげた

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>>19806108
>they deserve to be misled
That takes all the joy out of it.

After all, noone can learn japanese, so if they give up earlier whats the point?

>> No.19806183

i personally would wish that everyone whos gonna quit just quit now and save yourself some time not trying to read/watch shit youre never gonna truly understand anyway

theres nothing exciting about a writhing cripple

>> No.19806196

>>19806183
>theres nothing exciting about a writhing cripple
Man you must watch the most bland porn

>> No.19806237

i dont watch porn i just look in the mirror when i want to jack off

>> No.19806266

>>19806237
Ah, so you're a chubby chaser

>> No.19806275

im not chubby or fat but i do enjoy debutopia

>> No.19806291

That's not chubby or 肉づきのよい that's just fucking fat. Disgusting.

>> No.19806310
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true beauty

>> No.19806315

>昼寝
>"Siesta"
What the fuck core

>> No.19806329

>>19806315
図書館はどこ?
donde esta la biblioteca

>> No.19806338

>>19806310
Left is good because fat in only the right places
Middle is best
Right is disgusting but still kinda cute fat piece of shit and fat in the wrong places

>> No.19806348

some of the kindest sweetest girls in the world are fat pieces of shit

>> No.19806349

the beauty of debutopia is that their faces are fat like theyre supposed to be none of this body of a snowman head the size of an apple shit fat in the stomach equals fat on the face

>> No.19806353

yeah theyre just fat bitches through and through

>> No.19806359

>>19806348
Only because they're trying to compensate for something.
Also you've never met a 3d fatty before

>> No.19806371

Just started reading yotsuba, is it normal to be spending 10 mins each line trying to understand the grammar/vocab? Should I move to easier material for now and come back later?

>> No.19806380

>>19806348
only because they think you'll take them out to dinner

>> No.19806381

>>19806359
ive jumped on the grenade a few times and been surprised

>> No.19806384

>>19806371
Yes it's normal
You'll improve at some point

>> No.19806386

>>19806371
Don't worry about understanding everything. Find media you can enjoy even when you understand jack shit. Comedy like gaki no tsukai are great

>> No.19806400

>>19806386
3d tv is good because theres way better quality visual cues for things

honestly if i wasnt a twisted otaku id prolly recommend 10000 hours of dorama and bamgumi to serious japanese learners

>> No.19806535

can anyone spoonfeed how to add pictures for my botany calligraphy cards

not like i can't connect the species name to kanji but might as well learn what they look like while I'm at it

>> No.19806564

>>19803462
"mango" isn't reading.

>>19806371
Manga isn't reading.

>> No.19806675

reading naurto right now and its fuckin epic

>> No.19806678

Know kana and finished Tae Kim, been progressively learning some kanji tho I don't know how to read most of them
What now? Based manga? Vocabulary? I get more and more hyped the more I study desu so I guess this is good so far

>> No.19806712

>>19806564
trolled :-DDDDDDD

>> No.19806749

I just read 面白 as menhaku, am I becoming retarded?

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>>19806678
pretty sure the guide says to start reading yotsuba or something, so why no start there?

>> No.19806761

>>19806678
Flying Witch and Kimi no na Wa

>> No.19806805

>>19804584
>It was a meme post
Yeah, that explains why my reply to it upset you so much that you're now trying to label me as some rival religious group in order to belittle me.

>Stfu
Are you sure you're old enough to post here?

>> No.19806952

>>19803149
The problem is that every autist like you have a completely different opinion on what is or isn't dumb bloat and what a learner should or shouldn't do. Thankfully your idiotic babble is limited to these threads where you will remain an eternal dekinai.

>> No.19806984

>>19803289
>on 4chan
>doesn't like Yotsuba
the person could always fuck off back to where they came from

>> No.19806999

>>19806050
1. Read as many as you want. If you don't like it then try something else. I think I quit halfway into volume 3.
2. Recognition I think.
3. I used it in an odd way. I marked every card as hard, and I read through the card every time it came up. I wasn't using Anki to memorize or test but just to expose myself to all the different grammar rules.

>>19806371
It is normal. Try to understand each line, but don't spend too long on it. Just skip it and move on. You can also check the translation and see what it says. Just keep in mind that the translation isn't always accurate.

>>19806535
You can just copy an image from Google images and paste it into any field on your card.

>> No.19807042
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19807042

Why do nips keep using question marks like this?
He's obvious making a statement.
Does it only change the tone without turning it into a question?

>> No.19807050

>>19807042
>Does it only change the tone without turning it into a question?
Yes.

>> No.19807092

>>19807050
Then why bother?
What does it mean to use that kind of tone?

>> No.19807114

>>19807092
Uh, obviously to convey the intended tone? I don't really understand your question. Japanese doesn't use punctuation in the same way English does.

>> No.19807121

>What does it mean to use that kind of tone?
Watch more anime.

>> No.19807145

>why don't all japs speak like robots instead of using bullshit slang i can't understand?

>> No.19807150

>>19807114
My question is what does that intended tone mean.

>> No.19807160

>>19807145
Fuck off m8 that's not what I mean.

>> No.19807191

>>19807160
Just accept your autism and move on.

>> No.19807200

>>19804462
aka aka
eki ike
aki ika
uni inu

>> No.19807234

>>19804327
It goes over the general tools that will lead to learning the language if handled by someone with a lick of rationality. How I see it is that guide and the main guides aren't technical guides like one of the grammar guides or either or the two Anki guides, so imo treating them like a divingboard into native content is a solid approach a learner can take. In fact I think instruction bit for beginners is the least important part of either guides nor the site they are hosted on. The way some go on about it is borderline ideology if I'm going to be honest with you.
As if the guide is some sort of magic ritual to control how learners learn, as if they have no agency of their own. Sometimes I think people heavily arguing over the One True Way to learn X or Y place an inornate amount of ego value into something as trival as a basic guide for beginners. Your average learner doesn't care about some ideological struggle raging in the background and only wants the most relevant information to get them to the next point.
Also taking into consideration that both the main and alternative guides link to the learner resource sectiom of the main guide which also links to the other core resource hubs on the site, I would have no issue with recommending either alternativeguide.html or guide.html. They both qualify as covering the bases. They could be condensed to a few dot points or expanded upon every little point and at the end of the day no more or less valuable to the learner who only really cares about knowing about the basic tools that will help them read/watch/listen to/whatever it was that made them want to learn Japanese.


>>19804348
Nice, ignore the spergs. If it's something you use daily, spending a couple of minutes personalizing the styling of your decks makes sense. Else it would be like sleeping on a pillow without removing the plastic wrapping.
I think I remember that line from the opening of 狼と香辛料. Where the villagers are preparing for the harvest festival, right?

>> No.19807278

Is everyone here a neet? I'm learning French for uni and trying to do gorean in my spare time. Other uni shit plus work leaves me a bit strapped for free time as of late.

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yoshi time for reading

>> No.19807290

>>19806315
It was made with an American audience in mind
translator note: siesta means taco

>> No.19807300

>>19804970
Find some webradios that have shimoneta in it.

>> No.19807302

>>19806805
>why my reply to it upset you so much
Don't you belittle yourself if you assume another person's motives and still get them wrong?
>some rival religious group
>"pastor jim's bibble church"
kek
The only reason I responded is to let you know that it is unhealthy to project your pedophilia on a group of people.
And isn't calling out someone's age infantile in and of itself?
I'll say it again since you seem retarded - stfu

>> No.19807351

>>19807278
>trying to do 3 languages at the same time
>university language classes

fuck outta here you're insulting all the languages with your half-assed toying with basic grammer
go big or go home it's all or nothing in the DJT/AJATT/MIA community
i'll be fluent in japanese, have kanken1 and after that get fluent in chinese and korean before you'll reach that arbitrary meme C1 level in one shitty european language

you came to the wrong neighborhood, punk

t. 4.0GPA and last year spent at least 2 times the hours i spent on my real major on AJATT, can read and write 3700 kanji and have vocab of 10k+ (not counting kanji god guesstimations for new words) within 14 months of starting my japanese studies

>> No.19807359

>>19806756
>>19806999
Manga isn't reading though.

>> No.19807371

Brainlet here, can someone come up with something so I can stop mixing up 憧れる and 焦がれる or do I need to do the RTK's

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>>19807371
You see 憧れる is like Akko, it's all by heart. Akko doesn't think, she just feels.

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>>19807359
Reading is a complex "cognitive process" of decoding symbols in order to construct or derive meaning (reading comprehension). Reading is a means of language acquisition, communication, and of sharing information and ideas. Like all languages, it is a complex interaction between the text and the reader which is shaped by the reader’s prior knowledge, experiences, attitude, and language community which is culturally and socially situated. Manga is a medium used to express ideas by images, often combined with text or other visual information. Comics frequently takes the form of juxtaposed sequences of panels of images. Often textual devices such as speech balloons, captions, and onomatopoeia indicate dialogue, narration, sound effects, or other information. While it is often said that "manga isn't reading", it is at least deserving of notoriety for those who would truly believe the aforementioned to recognize that manga, or comics, are typically more engaging across entire populations rather than appealing to specific audiences with the dynamic nature of its content. So, while even if it is said that manga isn't reading, meaning is derived from said manga in the exact same basic way as it would be from any book.

>> No.19807416

>fail words you see literally every day because natives always write them in kana instead of kanji

man why do they have do this

>> No.19807433

>>19807416
>fail every word you hear literally every day

>> No.19807437

not seeing kanji when listening can't be helped, but the least they could do is write words in kanji so you get regular exposure to them

>> No.19807491

おはようおにいちゃん

きいてきいて

>> No.19807493

Is there an offline version of Jisho?
It seems to use a bunch of dictionary files as its source for queries, but I can't find the software to actually use these things.

>> No.19807497

>>19807493
The phone app doesn't need to be online.

>> No.19807505

>>19807497
I don't own a phone. I figured I could use the Yomichan search since it uses the same dictionaries, but it's cumbersome to have the browser open for that.

>> No.19807638

>>19807150
この「?」は、下の()の中のように、『相手の同意を求める』意味の「?」
>お前はやせてる方が可愛いと思うぞ(、お前もそう思わないか or お前もそう思うだろう)?

A:数学が好きなやつなんてこの世にいない。
B:いや、俺は好きだぞ?
この場合だと、
>いや、俺は好きだぞ(、だからその意見はまちがってるよな)?
『反論・訂正』を意味する「?」

>> No.19807677

>どの人も身分が高く大変なお金持ちでした。
Can く form of adjectives... be used to connect clauses?

>> No.19807700

>>19807491
なになに

>> No.19807724

So I have short term memory loss I think. Is it possible to learn the language and speak basic if I only learn hiragana and katakana? I feel like Kanji my brain would shit itself.

>> No.19807726

>>19807677
in this sentence two predicates are juxtaposed
>どの人も身分が高かったです。
and
>どの人も大変なお金持ちでした。

>どの人も身分が高くて大変なお金持ちでした。
高くて also goes well

>> No.19807733

>>19807726
Oh ok, thanks

>> No.19807747

>>19807493
You can use qolibri (or one of these http://rtkwiki.koohii.com/wiki/EPWING_software)) and get a bunch of EPWING dictionaries from the CoR.

>> No.19807750

>>19807700
ひみつ

>> No.19807771

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1oaOyng8TRO

>> No.19807848

>>19807726
くっつきかたは

ぎゃくだとちょっとおかしいよね

>どの人もお金持ちで貴族でした

くっつきかたは

>どの人もお金持ちの貴族でした

こっちになるとおもう

>> No.19807902

>>19807724
Learning Japanese without kanji is unironically a great way to permanently cripple it. Not to mention you'll always speak it like a first-grader.

>> No.19807909

>>19807410
The whole "manga isn't reading" meme is aimed at those who only read manga and then complain they have no progress at all. Strictly speaking, manga is a very simple reading, and even VNs are on average way more complex in terms of language.

>> No.19807921

>>19807902
Well fuck I'm a brainlet and think I'm to stupid to learn it. I think I might have dementia/short term memory loss

>> No.19807926

>>19807921
If you really have it and don't just suck at sitting down and studying, then it's not that bad. It's entirely possible to speak a language without being able to read/write. You still need to invest the same amount of time though. Why even bother if you can't even shitpost in moon though.

>> No.19807931

>>19807724
>>19807921
Are you a druggy?
If you have actual short-term memory loss problems you probably have more pressing matters than learning Japanese

>> No.19807933

>>19807931
No just a depressed neet.

>> No.19807937

>>19807926
That is what I was trying to ask. So if I learn Hiragana/Katakana and basic grammar I can be able to speak a conversation right?

>> No.19807938

>>19807926
why are you lying to the brainlet? nihongo is way too bullshit with all the inflections and retarded words that are read the same, he doesn't stand a chance.

>> No.19807943

>>19807933
Stop making excuses for yourself, you're not gonna make it

>> No.19807952

>>19807943
I'm not making excuses I legit have brain problems anon.

>> No.19807953

>>19807938
Japanese grammar isn't much worse than Spanish or German grammar, it's just different.

>>19807933
Then sit your sorry ass down and study, improve yourself. And if you think your body is exhausted, run a lap and go back to studying.

>> No.19808043

>>19807677
This is like when you use the 連用形 of a verb ("stem") to indicate consecutive actions. The 連用形 of an adjective is -く.

>> No.19808048

Reminder that no matter how stupid you think you are, millions of Japanese smarter and stupider than you have learned and will continue to learn the language.

>> No.19808056

>>19807289
it's time for bed

>> No.19808119

>>19807909
1. It's not a meme
2. It's aimed at anyone who claims manga is reading.
3. Manga is awesome and good.
4. Strictly speaking, manga isn't reading.

>> No.19808136

>>19808119
you are literally reading words though
strictly speaking it is reading

>> No.19808182

what's your preferred app for manga?
I tried ComicRack but it's got serious feature bloat
I tried regular cdisplay back in the day but remember thinking it was the opposite and annoying to reopen chapters all the time

>> No.19808195

>>19807909
There is no "manga isnt reading" meme its just one person. Its "aimed" at people who post that they are reading manga.

>> No.19808203

>>19808048
Yes but that is their native tongue and learn from when they are a baby. When you are a baby you have plenty more neurons than as a adult. Have you never heard can't teach a old dog new tricks?

>> No.19808206

>>19808182
irfan view

>> No.19808213

>>19808182
Chromium.

>> No.19808231

How do you read "2日後"? ににちご or ふつかご?

>> No.19808246

>>19808231
latter

>> No.19808284

>>19808246
>latter
thanks

>> No.19808357

>>19808231
あさって

ふつうはね

明後日ってかく

>> No.19808361

>>19807700
/jp/に

たいふうのがある

どうしよう
>>19802788

ここでたいふうちゅうけいしにくい

>> No.19808388

>>19806310
What the fuck. I love the art and coloring but why is it wasted on that. Is this debutopia? Did the same artist make anything less debucentric?

>> No.19808389

Phew got my RTK reps done in 40 minutes.

>> No.19808417

>>19807724
At best you could maybe understand spoken language, though doubtfully.

>> No.19808424

>>19807937
Big maybe. Your only way to do this is to watch raw media though, and listen with the intention to parse it. This could help with reading, kana isn't going to cut it alone because kanji makes the distinction between words pronounced the same way.

>> No.19808436

I'm not sure why you guys are humoring him. He's clearly just looking for excuses to avoid kanji with "I have a brain deficiency xDD". He has a brain deficiency but he doesn't actually believe he does. What a dumbass.

>> No.19808440

>>19808436
There's nothing brain deficient about looking for results with minimum effort involved, it's natural.

>> No.19808443

>>19808436
Who knows maybe he has brain deficiency, in which case a serious answer might help. If he doesn't and is just too lazy to learn kanji, then he's the one who's gonna suffer from that in the long run.

>> No.19808450

>>19808440
>looking for results with minimum effort involved, it's natural
It's like those people buying magical pills to get slim instead of actually eating less and exercising. Yes, it's a brain deficiency.

>> No.19808477

is there any source where you can check out some longer constructs like 活かせさせられれなかったら
books like tyler kim show each form by itself but they rarely if ever show any examples of them being stacked and broken down, just reading a few of them would help (real time) interpretation of complicated speech, i mean they're not common enough that they become natural on any short timescale when you could write one fucking chapter on it which would really help people break them up on their own when they're first starting up instead of after months and years of massive immersion

>> No.19808504

>>19808182
Isral's manga reader is a very light weight one. I don't eat manga on my phone usually but among the ones i tried that one was the simplest one, though I'm not sure how it handles different formats (i only used it with rar files)
There's also perfect viewer that has a shitload of customization but its pretty clunky in terms of sliding between pages and i had a lot of trouble getting it to read from the correct point of the rar file (started from the end page for some reason)

>> No.19808512

たいふうきてる

たいふうきてる

がんばっていきのこるぞい

>> No.19808518

>>19808436
>You can't have a mental illness
Are you this much in denial?

>> No.19808526

Mental illnesses exist but he doesn't have one. Back to /r/linguistics or whatever shithole you crawled out of.

>> No.19808529

>>19808504
ah sorry. app sounded like phone but i meant just pc programs.
>There's also perfect viewer that has a shitload of customization but its pretty clunky in terms of sliding between pages and i had a lot of trouble getting it to read from the correct point of the rar file
yeah comicrack is like this too. rars don't separate the chapters sometimes and you can't use arrow keys to flip

>> No.19808568

>>19808388
why is life wasted on you did this same god make anything else less retardcentric

>>19808512
おおくのひとがしぬだろう

>> No.19808574

>>19808568
アメリカの銃乱射とかより

おおくしぬよね

>> No.19808579

>>19808182
Tachiyomi

>> No.19808586

>>19808574
この世界は大変なことがいっぱいあるよね

>> No.19808606

"Can't you keep this dog as a pet?"
いやいや、うちは昼間、誰もいなくなるし」
what is that 昼間 doing here

>> No.19808612

telling you when 誰もいない

>> No.19808620

>>19808612
You're right, thanks boss.

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what are your questions guys?

>> No.19808774

>>19808606
No one is here during the day / Everyone goes away during the day.

>> No.19808787

is yogapants even good? he seems like a fat greasy creep and his name only accentuates the image. at least matt presents like a well adjusted white healthy normal male with a god complex and skills to back it up

>> No.19808797

who cares you should be thinking about 2d

>> No.19808800

>>19808787
>well adjusted
has he ever had a job?

>> No.19808803

his job is providing us guidance on how to teach ourselves japanese

>> No.19808812

his job is providing you a distraction from enjoying things and learning japanese while you do it

>> No.19808817

>>19808770
do you think he's a big fan of nihonshiki or that he thinks his mom wont figure out his riddle of a name that way

>> No.19808820

>>19808797
I can't build a tent in public, that's indecent.

>> No.19808825

he's akin to a greek philosopher, spending his days meditating, honing his own skills and theorizing and developing new concepts and ideas we can use for our own self-improvement, the

if you ask me, matt is the modern day Socrates

>> No.19808824

his job is to sit in his mom and dads house being pale and flabby with soft baby hands because hes never done any work in his life and bestow upon thee his toilet meshi wisdom during his six month stay in a japanese toilet

>> No.19808833

>>19808820
if women are allowed to wear skirts youre allowed to have a boner its like yin and yang just let the blood flow

>> No.19808834

>>19808817
it looks like yogapantsu got banned so he probably had to make an alt lmao

>> No.19808837

yoga lived in china and japan for a few years, and he's graduated from college and programs now. idk if he freelances or what

>> No.19808838

im sure theres only 1 person ever that tried to reg yogapantsu on twitter

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>> No.19808873

>>19808834
i see but it was some russian who capitalized it YogaPantsU so i don't think it was even a weeb
back to the real guy, his twitter bio is somehow more embarrassing than matt's

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>>19808870

>> No.19808888
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>>19803057

Low IQ brainlet here, I was wondering how do native Japanese people with low IQ brainlet/ high school dropout with ADHD learn to speak their own language? If they can do it, I’m curious to know what techniques they use.

(Yes I read the /jp/ FAQ but I gave up after the first chapter)

>> No.19808892

>>19808888
quad 8s is like the most ominous japanese omen

youre just fucked bro

>> No.19808897

>>19808888
being immersed in japanese everywhere like anybody who speaks english without being able to read/write

>> No.19808909

>>19808888
no one uses a technique to learn their first language, what are you even asking, the question might have made more sense if you meant read/write

>> No.19808917

>>19808897
>>19808909

>without being able to read/write

Pretty sure even native Japanese brainlets can read and write otherwise people just couldn’t get daily shit done

>> No.19808919

why don't japanese kids just do RTK, they have kanji word tests like every week at school but you can go through RTK in 1 month and you know them for life without practicing for them

>> No.19808935

>>19808919
>Study 1 month
>Know for life
That's not how shit works you dingus

>> No.19808937

>>19808917
i'm not suggesting they wouldn't be able to read/write, but they might need more effort than others to get through kyouiku or jouyou, thus the question might have made more sense
it's still a dumb question

>> No.19808945

>>19808935
nothing about that post tipped you off that perhaps it was in jest?

>> No.19808947

>>19808935
ok 10 minutes of anki reps but natives probably don't need to keep doing that because they've already attuned to doing everything with kanji from a young age

>> No.19808951

>>19808919
I hope you become the minister of education.

>> No.19808952

>>19808909
>no one uses a technique to learn their first language

Interesting, can you expand on this a bit more please? Despite English being my mother tongue, I can’t tell the difference between nouns, pronouns or adverbs etc. Yet I am able to read and write without any problems despite not even knowing basic grammar,

>> No.19808955

instead of falling for bad /djt/ bait you should be studying japanese

>> No.19808962

>>19808955
Actually I should be studying functional analysis

>> No.19808963

>>19808955
If everyone's falling for it, it's not so bad after all, huh?

>> No.19808994

>>19808952
i don't know what you're asking, you didn't do anything special to study english you just picked it up from exposure
knowing and understanding grammatical/linguistic terminology doesn't have anything to do with using a language, only analyzing it
you know grammar, you just don't know how to describe it or break it down, it's basically subconscious knowledge

>> No.19809000

>>19808919
it's true that RTK with japanese keywords would be more efficient for them. but they learn and use kanji on a need to know basis. many people do you know who do the efficient thing that requires a bit more effort instead of lazily coasting through life?

>> No.19809034

>>19809000
>it's true that RTK with japanese keywords would be more efficient for them.
it's probably true that kanji srs with japanese keywords would be more efficient, but the ordering would be a bad idea

>> No.19809038
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thanks to studying Kanji, I was able to write out her name!

inb4
>writing

>> No.19809042

stop being a retard.
nouns, pronouns and adverbs, interjections and agglutinations etc. are spooks and invented by moldy "linguists" so they can keep their cushy good for nothing zero value to society university "researcher" jobs

i'm fluent at 3 languages (bilingual+1 more),
getting there in japanese and i don't even know how you define what a fucking adverb is. i learned what transitive and intransitive verb mean while learning japanese and the fact that these useless terms exist makes me furious

if you're monolingual (or bilingual with no language learning experience) in 2018 and don't understand why mass immersion works and grammar books don't, you should just know that if you had any brain cells at all you wouldn't even have to consider committing suicide, you'd already have done it
if you're a brainlet like the one i replied to please start using trips so i don't have to see your posts anymore

>> No.19809053

>>19809034
it could be re-ordered by incorporating frequency, for example introducing 人 earlier but if you're going to finish it in as short a period time as a month i don't think frequency matters at all.

>> No.19809067

are there wizkids in japan who get on tv for knowing all the the joyo kanji at age 6 like those kids who know calculus over here?

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>>19808870

>> No.19809073

Wouldn't it be a better idea to do an Anki deck aimed at teaching Japanese people English? Then you'd have to actually come up with the Japanese definition for the word, which would mean you'd learn multiple Japanese words per card.

と思う

>> No.19809080

>>19809053
assuming we're talking about first-year students, they aren't even familiar with any of the words/concepts that at least a quarter of the jouyou kanji are used in, so they shouldn't be aiming to finish it in a month either
they should just try to reduce time spent on kanji, and they could do jouyou by the end of primary school as a bonus

>> No.19809084

all non-rural chinese kids learn 1800 hanzi by 2nd grade, there's nothing special about knowing them except that the japanese cater to babies by making everything for children in kana soup so even university students grow up kanji-disabled and most only learn 3500 over their entire lifetime and write あいさつ in kana like a mouthbreather

>> No.19809085

>と思う

>> No.19809087

>>19809042
relax dude no reason to get epic buttmad

why would you even filter posts itt anyway

you should either look at them all and take this hunk of shit for all it is or close the thread imo

>> No.19809094

>>19809073
multiple words per card is inefficient
cards aren't supposed to teach you japanese, reading and listening is
cards are supposed to reduce the number of dictionary lookups you need to be able to even read a sentence at all

>> No.19809098

thing is chinese writing makes sense lol

>> No.19809100

>>19809084
I really feel like you're not gonna make it.

>> No.19809102

chinese writing makes so much sense in fact you can do it in english letters just fine

>> No.19809103

>>19809098
Thing is Chinese 100x easier than Japanese

>> No.19809105

i don't really care about how good chink is as a language, i don't wanna learn chink because they don't make shit that's worth a fuck lmao

>> No.19809108

>>19809042
>i'm fluent at 3 languages
stopped reading there

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>i don't really care about how good chink is as a language, i don't wanna learn chink because they don't make shit that's worth a fuck lmao

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19809119

>go to japanese 101 class at university
wow.... wow. I thought I could get an easy a+ while reinforcing some basics since I just started. But now I'm worried I will permanently cripple my Japanese if I don't drop the class.

>> No.19809129

>>19809105
they make money.

>> No.19809131

the latin alphabet is an abomination that should be banned and everyone that can't learn a sufficient amount of them within a year to start writing their native language with kanji should be distributed as free peasant labor for the new kanji kings and royalty

look at what happened to korea and japan after they invented syllabaries, it's a travesty

>> No.19809133

>>19809103
well for what its worth chinese is a civilized people language whereas japanese is akin to jigaboos in the brazilian rain forest clicking their tongues and farting on each other

>>19809105
i mean its quite ignorant to say that but i wont judge you because after all it was japan that made evangelion not china

>>19809119
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcfdCeaKFMg#t=61

>> No.19809163

>>19809119
Big mistake, drop it now.
Speaking from experience btw

>> No.19809165

if your school has a japanese culture club you should go check that out though lmao

>> No.19809170

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2eZl1FmdBA
can recommend

>> No.19809186

>>19809111
>i don't wanna learn chink because they don't make shit that's worth a fuck lmao
it's true though. china doesn't produce any type of media that significant numbers of people outside china care about, whereas japan produces media that weebs love worldwide.

>> No.19809188

white kid with a hime cut ftw

>> No.19809201

>>19809186
chinese film industry is exploding now though and theyve been blessed to have jay chou for such a long time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVJN1maXgH4

>> No.19809209

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnxFCfG40P0
and people say china has no culture!

>> No.19809217

>>19809038
more like
>png
>3.1 MB
>screenshot of your screen instead of pressing s in mpv

>> No.19809223

>wanting compression artifacts in your screenshots
Sorry but i'm never not going to use .png for everything

>> No.19809233

>>19809038
>>19809217
You forgot the most glaring one
>>>>English subs

>> No.19809237

>>19809201
>is exploding now though
which nobody cares about because the west absolutely crushes them in that regard. japan produces something unique that people around the world actually care about.

>> No.19809245

>>19809237
>the west absolutely crushes them in that regard
Western movies are God awful though

>> No.19809254

movies are awful everywhere you go, that's why you need to seek out the kino

>> No.19809258

movies are awful that's why i only eat manga

>> No.19809271

>>19809237
japan exports entertainment because it makes them money

hollywood is bogged down in shit which is in part facilitating chinese cinema rising up at this most opportune time when china is about to fully control global trade as well

you can live in your delusion that the stuff coming out of japan is on some kind of more human level than it really is i dont care but at the end of the day the only thing anyone cares about is money

the real heart and real passion will never make it into your always open consumerist beak

>> No.19809275

>>19809131
Writing my native language with kanji is my final goal. Just the thought of inventing the most fucked up ways to apply kanji to this task gets me hard.

>> No.19809284

>>19809271
>japan exports entertainment because it makes them money
it makes the money because there's a worldwide (or at least western) audience for it. there is no worldwide audience for chinese media.

>> No.19809288

>>19809085
>と慮る

>> No.19809295

manga are awful, that's why i only inhale anime

>> No.19809299

我 思 君 狂 又 我 好 君 多

>> No.19809300

>>19809284
thats not true either your world view is just pathetically small

granted chinas main exports is most of the things in your house and your clothes

they are just more content to keep the fun to themselves..for now

>> No.19809304

anime is awful, that's why i only date nukige

>> No.19809308

all 2d is fucking awesome!!

>> No.19809312

>>19809304
Nukige isn't dating. You date dating simulators; you fuck nukige.

>> No.19809318

>>19809300
>they are just more content to keep the fun to themselves
you could pirate their media, but no one cares about it.

>> No.19809319

>>19809299
that post made me think of Die Antwoord - I Think You're Freaky

>> No.19809328

>>19809318
you dont care about it theres a difference

>> No.19809333

>>19809328
so the piracy scene for chinese media is as large as for japanese media?

>> No.19809344

>>19809333
im not gonna claim to know a scene im not part of but i do know where to find pretty much anything yes

>> No.19809346

>>19809333
every time you reply to jamal's retarded baits, a bunch of brain cells die.

>> No.19809351

shit nigger why do you think everything japanese gets subbed in chinese first
gaming companies literally started releasing games without DRM in china in a deal with cracking groups so chinese hackers wouldn't crack them and hurt the international sales

>> No.19809354

>>19809346
hey if i want input from the kids table ill ask for it sport

>> No.19809362

>>19809346
you're probably right that it's bait but it's hard to tell.
>>19809351
we're not talking about china pirating, but the size of piracy scenes worldwide for japanese and chinese media.

>> No.19809368

Seems like most Chinese media is only known to natives, unfortunately. I've considered studying Chinese but there's literally nothing I care about except the fact that the language itself seems cool and would maybe help me understand Japanese better.

>> No.19809373

your world view is white people centered, chinese media is popular and widely pirated and enjoyed in the neighboring south east asian countries

>> No.19809377

no dude no one cares about china media despite there being lots of people who speak chinese all over the fuckin world

anime is bigger guys *posts frog and shits sweatpants* *is white*

>> No.19809383

it's centered around the only people who are relevant to this thread, and relevant period.

>> No.19809390

explains why they perma bad at japones lol

>> No.19809402

imagine being such a deluded weeaboo that your view of japanese entertainment consists entirely of anime when dorama, movies (outside of memeazaki(which is also anime) and kurosawa) and music entertainment is entirely focused on the domestic scene, janiizu literally actively trys to avoid international exposure while bts is consuming the world

>> No.19809415

Japanese natives can't bear to admit that they don't know their own language so they just spout random sounds hoping to ruse others into believing that they do know Japanese. Truth is that nobody knows Japanese, and everyone is just pretending.
It's all a sad ruse created and funded by China in order to punish the Japanese for Nanking and to demoralize young western men.
Don't fall for it.

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another day another word

>> No.19809443

would anyone actually think its anime i would assume its the video game players like the playing station 4 and anime is somewhere way further down the chain because there are some considerations that go into some anime for the international audience but still any japanese company that doesnt have international offices are really piss poor at doing business outside of japan and even then the international branches of some of the major companies are still fully directed by the higherups back in japan anyway which still leads to poor business practice

anyway i dont know where imgoing with this weebs love japanese stuff though they understand very little of it whereas china just owns and is only going to own more as time goes on

>> No.19809450

Imagine only caring about stuff you like instead of trying to prove that you're not a weeaboo to people on /jp/.

>> No.19809464

im the otaku king i can tell you what color jams underwear will be on any given day in guilty gear

>> No.19809478

the biggest japanese video games are series like resident evil, dark souls and silent hill, with white people and white languages in them. everything nintendo makes is western inspired in design (zelda, mario, metroid)

nobody learns japanese for them. I dare claim they can't even be classified as japanese entertainment because they're just western video games that were made in japan (as opposed to say fatal frame). anime games like final fantasy and atelier and kingdom hearts are a curiosity for fat manchildren and they only sell 30000 copies outside of japan

>> No.19809489

any1 has that Anki add-on that removes cards automatically after X time? Matt mentioned it

>> No.19809493

he's currently producing it it doesn't exist yet

>> No.19809498

>>19809478
You mean you didn't learn any Japanese from Johnny Yong Bosch calling people "senpai" in Persona games?

>> No.19809503

>>19809493
what does take "him" so fucking long

>> No.19809515

>>19809498
i've never played an anime video game, especially one set in a fucking high school, that makes me cringe

>> No.19809517

Is there any way to delete older parts of an Anki deck's statistics? Apparently I studied core2K for 5 months in 2014, which I don't remember doing at all, and it's really messing up my graph.

>> No.19809532

>>19809517
you can't delete this
it's hardcoded into deck even when you wipe out stats and reimport

>> No.19809540

>>19809517
What do you need a graph for nerd?

>> No.19809542
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19809542

what the fuck is going on here? i'm just going to come up with my own story but seriously what the fuck

>> No.19809548

>>19809542
should have used kklc

>> No.19809551

>>19809542
should have used kanji koohii

>> No.19809559

>>19809489
You can write such an addon in like two hours. Four if you had to read python manual beforehand.

>> No.19809560

>>19809542
that must be one ugly kanji

>> No.19809568

>>19809559
then why won't Matt get his lapdogs to write it for him? I guess he doesn't give a fuck, too much money

>> No.19809571

>>19809560
not as ugly as your face

>> No.19809573

>>19809560
it's 周, not kidding

>> No.19809576

>>19809542
Anal circumference!

>> No.19809575

>>19809542
this is one of most retarded explanations, trust me, I went thru RTK1+3
just use something else if you don't like it

>> No.19809578

>>19809568
because yoga is writing it but he's packaging it in a larger suite of functionality. also he's trying to finish his video player that'll include pitch accent information for japanese subtitles and a (hover?) dictionary

>> No.19809586

>>19809578
thanks for info, it's good to have one of his patrons in these threads
idk what the fucking is happening with all the developments he talked about because he either keeps schtum or tells only to his customers

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>>19809542
Is it this one? What the fuck is a lidded crock?

>> No.19809589

>>19809573
>not 円, the penis kanji

>> No.19809591

>>19809586
i'm not a patron but yoga talked about it in his videos. so did matt.

>> No.19809595

Koreans should be speaking Japanese

>> No.19809598

>>19809588
google it, it actually makes sense to be in RTK

>> No.19809599

>>19809588
it's the the combination of the radicals in the middle, the soil covering the mouth of a pot
who fucking knows why

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19809608

this is lidded crock you dumb weebs

>> No.19809610

>>19809595
Ending Japanese occupation of the Korean peninsula was a mistake.

>> No.19809615

>>19809578
>also he's trying to finish his video player that'll include pitch accent information for japanese subtitles and a (hover?) dictionary
すごい(笑)

>> No.19809617

let's characterise learners of each of these languages:
Japanese: ?
Korean: ?
Chinese: ?

>> No.19809618

>>19809610
This
Just imagine how much better Korea would be

>> No.19809623

>>19809617
Japanese: weeb
Korean: koreeb
Chinese: cheeb

>> No.19809629

>>19809617
Japanese: Good people
Korean: Retards
Chinese: Good people

>> No.19809630

>>19809617
Japanese: bitter virgin weeb faggot and ugly women
Korean: dumb woman who likes to watch sluts in KPOP and their boysbands, slightly better looking than Jap female fan
Chinese: chad thundercock and very confident women

>> No.19809631

>>19809629
>Japanese: Good people
you haven't been in this thread long

>> No.19809632

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC_YFUaSsqs

>> No.19809634

>>19809617
Japanese: devil worshiper
Korean: female
Chinese: filthy gwailo stay out of my fucking country

>> No.19809636

typical Chinese learner:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zrzsUDXcSw

typical Japanese learner:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCOy6vD-TA4

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>>19809617
Japanese:
1. weeaboo scum davido-kun
2. basic bitch self described "sushi enthusiast" in japanese 101
3. scholar with interest in historical scrolls (me)
Korean:
gaypop enthusiast (pic related)
Chinese:
1. wall street wannabe that takes an introductory course with no interest in linguistics, history or culture, just so he can put it in his cv
2. real hackerman

>> No.19809641

>>19809617
Japanese: smart, good looking
Korean: fat
Chinese: brainwashed

>> No.19809640

>>19809629
Japanese: Bad people with bad / retarded intentions
Koreans: retarded people with retarded intentions
Chinese: retarded people with good intentions

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>>19809638
gaypop

>> No.19809659

>>19809617
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfr2LtKe5cg#t=12

>> No.19809668

how can anyone keep up with the amount of h-doujins this country produces it is impossible

>> No.19809681

most of them being no better than bathroom wall scribbles mostly

>> No.19809687

how do you find the needle in the haystack

>> No.19809700

>>19809687
unzip my pants and move my gut to the side

>> No.19809711

>>19809700
i had that one figured out

>> No.19809718

>>19809711
oh well im glad you were thinking about it

>> No.19809720

>>19809617
Japanese: Weeaboo who wants to learn moon to consume more of his garbage
Korean: Idolfag who wants to fuck half of them
Chinese: Either bought the learn Chinese to market yourself greatly not knowing they're about so sell their body and soul or someone who wants to read them Chinese power fantasies for whatever reason.

>> No.19809724

can someone clarify the meaning of 良く言えば for me?

>> No.19809741

良く言えばわたしはゲイ

>> No.19809856

>>19809119
What was the file? どうして削除したの

>> No.19809920

i forget why でも means even and のに means although/despite

>> No.19809941

ぶっちゃけどうでもいいのに

>> No.19809973

what's the secret to not giving up?

>> No.19809981
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>>19809973
a true hero must fight no matter what

>> No.19809983

>>19809973
treating every small step as a victory in its own right, encouraging you to push forward

>> No.19809990
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>>19809973
finding a motivational teacher like ma__tt

>> No.19810032

>>19809973
giving up

>> No.19810037

>>19809067
Theres kids who pass the kanji kentei level 1 at age 6

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>と思います

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>>19810086

>> No.19810120

>>19806749
Even if it was like that wouldn't it be menpaku?

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>>19810086

>> No.19810129

Does anyone here know how to change the IME hotkeys?

>> No.19810131

>>19809973
you want it or you don't

>> No.19810132

>>19809973
having a goal

>> No.19810133

>>19809973
yous

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>> No.19810161

>>19810139
10000 quarts of jugged urine to become a perapera gaijin are you gonna make it or die trying

>> No.19810169
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>> No.19810171
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>> No.19810179

>>19809720
How long does it take to learn chinese in comparison to Japanese?

>> No.19810188

>>19810171
本当にマットですか

やべえええ wwww

>> No.19810196

>>19810032
In all seriousness, this. Resignation is the key.

>> No.19810197
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>>19810179
Which type of chinese are we talking about

>> No.19810205

>>19810197
Mandarin is the common one right? Then that one. Unless it’s Cantonese.

>> No.19810212

>>19810205
A little over a cumulative year and a half then.

>> No.19810214

>>19810179
Steve Kaufmann was able to read a Chinese newspaper in 6 months

>> No.19810217

>>19810179
>>19810205
Well like 80% the time to learn nipp.

Chinese grammar is literal caveman tier in complexity and has same structure as english. The kanji are more consistent in pronunciation then nipp. the pronounciation is harder to be understand, but if your autistic like mattokun then pronunciation will be similar in difficulty. so overall it is easier in almost every way other than pronunciation if you ignore nip pitch accent.

>> No.19810220

>>19810179
word on the streets of djt has been that the basics are fucking easy (and hanzi is easy because multiple readings are rare) but getting to a high level in mandarin is harder than in japanese
however i don't know mandarin and maybe the two or three times i've seen this said were all the same person

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>>19810179
>wanting to learn ching chong

>> No.19810274

>>19810205
Do people who speak different dialects look any different? How do you know which to use? In Japanese, it’s still simple enough to understand them, but the Chinese have a ton of dialects and tons of changes.

>> No.19810295

>>19810269
The superior way of mastering Kanji.

>> No.19810307
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>>19810217
This pic probably sums it up pretty well.
Chinese: Tons of different pitches and accents make the entry level hard. But if you got that down, the rest is easy since pronunciation of a syllable carries over from word to word. (One prof I met just sat down and grinded those for a few weeks and never had problems afterwards)
Japanese: Depending on your native language, not much of a problem early on, but will eventually come back at you if you want to sound like a native speaker, so you better learn pitch accent from early on if you want to sound like a native speaker.

>> No.19810310

>>19810307
>Japanese just goes straight up
Learning Japanese was a mistake.

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>> No.19810316

>>19810307
that graph is definitely by a chink, an anglo or one of those "pitch accent doesn't matter" retards

>> No.19810325

>>19810316
Never heard of a chink who has learned Japanese, so it must be an Anglo.

>> No.19810327

>>19810310
Probably just because suddenly you have to revise your whole vocab and relearn certain things which takes a ton of time

>>19810316
Seeing as Japanese pronunciation doesn't start at rock bottom, it's definitely not by an Italian, Spain or German guy.

>> No.19810329

i'm gonna go finish reading the "essential grammar" section of tae kim on my tablet in bed guys i'll see you in a bit. i'm assuming special expressions and advanced topics are overkill so i won't bother with those.

>> No.19810331

>>19810329
They are actually quite simple, Tae Kim just named them in a fancy manner.

>> No.19810332

>>19810307
makes sense to me but its a meaningless graph

>> No.19810356

you know what you doing

>> No.19810360

move zig

>> No.19810396

>>19810307
that analysis implies that pronunciation is the only factor, what about rare/historical grammar and difficult dialects?

>> No.19810400

>>19810329
almost nothing in tae kim is uncommon

>> No.19810408

>>19810396
if youre learning the right way you should be able to understand the feel from just how it sounds

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>> No.19810427

>>19809201
This song flopped obviously.

>> No.19810437

>>19810427
well it was just for a commercial

>> No.19810458

>>19810427
doesn't matter you heard the man at the end
chou is vetted by kobe and we all know how important the vetting process is around here

>> No.19810464

>>19810458
redpill me on that process

>> No.19810466

vetted is code for gay sex yall are fucking gay

>> No.19810467

i mean how can you not vet a dude who fuckin dunks on a skateboard

>> No.19810480

>>19810464
basically if you haven't been vetted you can't be trusted but the secret that a famous pissjugger discovered is to paywall the only videos that can be used to judge if you know your shit so you have to pay-to-vet you get what i'm sayin

>> No.19810481

you can dunk your skateboards in hell faggots

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>>19810466
huh

>>19810481
i like you you got spark

>> No.19810487

>>19810481
how do you feel about 百合

>> No.19810492

sorry im not that far in rtk yet

>> No.19810494

>>19810492
hold shift like i know you would

>> No.19810503

>>19810492
It's okay we accept individuals of all learning disabilities here at the Dekinai Japanese Thread, he asked how you feel about yuri.

>> No.19810505

uhh sorry i dont have a shift key lmao

>> No.19810508

whos yuri

>> No.19810509

>>19810505
why doesn't your phone put in apostrophes

>> No.19810510

what do I do after I press the shift key?

>> No.19810513

because i have one of those big classic nokia phones

>> No.19810516

>>19810492
>tfw have to restart RTK because haven’t done it in so long
Hopefully 3 months this time.

>> No.19810524

>>19810510
copy and paste into jisho
>>19810513
my first cellular telephone was a nokia
i liked the rubber keypad but it was a piece of shit
>>19810516
i don't mean to intrude on your hobbies but have you considered taking up japanese, it might help you in your quest to study kanji

>> No.19810530

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvo7SBCIB8o#t=50

>> No.19810542

Is there a random factor somewhere in how anki calculates intervals? I've searched around but couldn't find anything to suggest so. I ask because, for example, if there's a card that says "good" will give an interval of 14 days, and I answer "good", the actual interval it gives me can be anywhere from 12-16 days or something like that. I've confirmed this by answering a card, checking it in the card browser, undoing the answer, giving the same answer again, and checking the browser again, repeatedly, and the interval it gives changes, seemingly randomly picking from a small range of numbers around what it says it's giving in the review session. Is this normal?

>> No.19810546

>>19810530
why the fuck am i learning japanese when i can just watch this instead

>> No.19810547

>>19810542
Undo fucks with the system because of the algorithm.

>> No.19810552

>>19810542
if you're a detective why don't you investigate the source on github

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>>19810546

>> No.19810560

>>19810557
Kanji captcha specifically for DJT when?

>> No.19810566

>>19810560
everyone knows how to use google translate handwriting input you'd need to put a time limit on the captcha

>> No.19810567

>>19810560
There should be kanji captcha in all of /jp/ and kanacaptcha in /a/ to be honest

>> No.19810573

>>19810560
i find that actually so fuckin legit nice 1 dude

>> No.19810579

do japanese people believe in conspiracy theories?

>> No.19810582

no stupid questions

>> No.19810583

nope gods in his heaven alls right with the world bro lol

>> No.19810606

i think i've learned more english from rtk than japanese

>> No.19810680

>>19810606
i haven't learned a single english here so i think they're about even

>> No.19810725

to be fair, hesig is classically educated, so most of his mnemonics will probably go over the heads of the unwashed djt masses without extensive googling. probably why he gets such a bad rep here.

>> No.19810733

does heisig get a bad rep here

i post like every day and ive never seen that

>> No.19810819

>>19810725
well that's a silly reason because you can just use koohii

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>>19803371
it does get quite dubious

>> No.19810868

Tbh the thing that's confusing me the most rn is how to read each kanji/how to know which pronunciation to use, is there a resource that covers this? Should I not be worrying about this yet?

>> No.19810874

>>19810542
I can't remember if it is a part of the default program or an addon, but there was something that would slightly modify intervals to spread out the cards and prevent you from getting big spikes of reviews.

>> No.19810876

read more

>> No.19810883

>>19810868
rule of thumb is that in compound words of two or more kanji you use on-yomi, and for single kanji by themselves kun-yomi
but no you shouldn't worry about it, you'll figure it out it as you learn vocab

>> No.19810903

>>19810876
>>19810883
I see, then I'll just keep trying to read yotsubato for now, thanks anons

>> No.19810933

>>19810883
>rule of thumb is that in compound words of two or more kanji you use on-yomi, and for single kanji by themselves kun-yomi
This rule is wrong often enough for it not to have any practical meaning. You either know the word or you don't. In the former case you know how to read it and in the latter knowing how to read it won't help much.

>> No.19810958

>>19810933
the majority of compounds are read with on-yomi which means it's a valid rule of thumb and you can guess the reading a lot of the time, japanese people do this as well
obviously it's not always right, there's no need to be autistic about it

>> No.19810975

>>19810933
i dont agree with this so i thought of 10 random words and they all follow the soft rule so i think its perfectly fine to use for generally getting your bearings on reading something because if you dont have that then youre just back to identifying grains of sand and trying not to forget them

>> No.19810994
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19810994

お疲れ様です。

>> No.19811001

>>19810994
But when are you going to learn Japanese

>> No.19811006

>>19810975
You just learn the language, and it comes together. Many, many words use Kunyomi, Gikun, etc... etc... but with general awareness you usually know how to read words. If you are reading a book or manga without furigana for every word, and the word has no furigana, you should know how to read it. If it doesn't have furigana learn the word by heart. If it does, don't worry about it unless you want to be really high level.

>> No.19811007

im not gonna dog on that post and instead hope he knows what to do

>> No.19811009

>>19811006
you've missed the point by about 20 miles

>> No.19811016

>>19811009
the point is pointless
you don't need to know that rule of thumb to know that rule of thumb
learn enough words and you'll start guessing on-yomi in compounds without having to know what on-yomi even means

>> No.19811017

>>19811001
I am from Japan (currently on vacation in Taiwan). These are all rare or old kanji, and regional dialects, example sentences etc... Or words I want to know English for. I also have French flashcards but I never do them anymore because I don't care. I really love the Japanese language. Would like to learn Chinese though, but knowing rare Kanji helps in Taiwan and other places that use Chinese.

>> No.19811024

>>19811016
this is true too

my point was actually just that its really good if you can remember kanji by something other than english keywords you know like japanese readings or at the very least from other words they appear in which you know the reading of

>> No.19811028

>>19811016
yes, keep shouting at windmills about things nobody contested in the first place

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>> No.19811051

>>19811024
I think you are right. In learning Japanese especially over time you should not rely on English or whatever language to translate, you should see Japanese and understand Japanese only as Japanese. IMO people obsess over rules and tactics and stuff but to learn Japanese all you can do is study, read, listen and speak. As much studying as possible should be from Japanese sources that have nothing to do with English, and Japanese that do not speak English. If you just work hard you get results. See for yourself if you are getting results and adjust accordingly. It is like fitness people who study it scientifically but never make muscle, whike people who never think just eat and train then get big. Even people I see who go to Japanese schools can't speak Japanese.

>> No.19811052

CalvinAJATT deleted his Youtube channel. I really wanted that guy to make it. If only he hadn't fallen for the RTK meme.

>> No.19811059

>>19811052
i don't remember which poor soul that was
do you think he's one of us now, trapped here forever

>> No.19811065

wasnt that the brown man boy posting on twitter like hes naruto or some shit

>> No.19811072
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>>19811059
This guy.

>> No.19811078
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does that mean you CAN learn japanese with anime?

>> No.19811079

>>19811072
RIP

>> No.19811081

thats what happens when you care more about being part of a community than you do about anime

>> No.19811085

>>19811078
Yes. Matt has always said you could. Only retards think you can't.

>> No.19811086

>>19811072
calvin is mia in heaven now rip

>>19811078
do you think 10000 hours of anime is a joke

its literally the stepping stone to allow you to do anything

>> No.19811088

>>19811072
>buy back my gpu
don't worry it's not a cult

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>>19811088
yeah dont worry its not a cult

btw when i saw this i actually laughed irl

>> No.19811099

>>19811086
It just became apparent to me that the name of my favorite manga and my least favorite patreon scam have the same acronym.

>> No.19811104

>>19811072
https://twitter.com/calvinmia/status/1003402176461451265

sigh

>> No.19811111

look at all these epic changes im making to my life guys *takes selfie with meditation book that i havent opened once*

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>>19811104
No wonder he gave up.

>> No.19811124

>>19811111
>I just think it would be prety cool to have a book shelf full of Japanese books (even if I am not going to use them haha)
this man knows exactly where he wants to be

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>>19811119

>> No.19811153
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>> No.19811165

it's hilarious and tragic at the same time

>> No.19811175

>>19811072
Wow, so pathetic. Sad that people invest their being into these weird get rich quick type ideas and think you need to do some gimmick to learn a language. No wonder not many people learn Japanese, they seem to refuse to just consistently work hard. "No, I won't just study and speak, that coukd take a while! I'll do this cutting-edge program and become a master in six months or less!"
The equivalent of buying one of this electonic six pack machines instead of going to the gym.

>> No.19811176

>>19811153
>app store
>books
How immersive.

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19811177

shout outs to all the boys who have gone mia

>> No.19811179

>>19811153
And he's so low level that putting his phone in Japanese is a big move. I've seen enough. Good night.

>> No.19811192

the real kicker is his phones not going back into english because he doesnt know how to navigate the settings to change it back

>> No.19811197
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19811197

i gotta give it to matt for making a patreon cult for learning japanese where he teaches people how to not learn japanese

>> No.19811207

>>19811175
Isn't the actual philosophy of AJATT essentially "go read and listen more?"

It makes sense. I wonder how it turned into this lame diet plan that people spend all their time talking about instead of actually carrying out.

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19811209

why did you fuckers get me to go on twitter now i cant stop looking at snuff tweets

>> No.19811220

I feel bad because I posted most of the Calvin stuff. I thought it was funny but I hope he never saw any of it and got discouraged. I think he needs to take AJATT less seriously. Yea, he should get as much active input as possible, but I don't think he's wired for 24/7 input. He's going to burn out again. Hopefully he proves me wrong.

>> No.19811230

you fuckin shit on calvin now hes gonna buy back his gpu and arcade stick a third time and really go off the deep end

>> No.19811235

dont feel bad everyones exactly where they want to be

>> No.19811240

>>19811207
Yeah, the core of AJATT is fine and totally works
The problem comes with the community aspect and having a cult leader-like figure which is just a huge distraction

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everyone is exactly where they want to be

>> No.19811252

>>19811240
i think i suck at math cuz there's no way he needs to lose 200-300 more lbs.

>> No.19811255

I mean I basically learned English to fluency through AEATT. Didn't even realize that's what I was doing though.

>> No.19811258

>>19811252
meant to respond to this
>>19811242

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this put a pain in my heart

>> No.19811268

>>19811255
AEATT is incredibly easy because all the good stuff in the world is in English, like 4chan and DJT. whereas Japanese only has some stuff worth immersing in. so you're still tempted to take yourself out of it and post on DJT.

>> No.19811275

>>19811265
>which is time away from immersion
And your worthless fucking English tweets aren't you hypocritical retard? Jesus Christ it really is a disgusting smug cult. Khatz and Matt actually seemed to do AJATT in earnest but their followers are such wannabes.

>> No.19811280

>>19811242
Damn, that's a lot of weight. I've lost 25 lbs this year. Feels good. Only 40 more to go.

>>19811252
He is already 3/4 of the way there, so he has 1/4 left to go. So he wants to lose 15kg more.

>> No.19811284

>>19811280
yea you right my bad

>> No.19811298

>>19811275
no its ok dude im the one thats gotta tell everyone what to do ok its not hypocritical im just the conduit

>>19811280
yeah kudos to the fat guy losing weight if nothing else that is the true success story of ajatt or mia or wahtever

>> No.19811318

>>19811209
is he actually putting names in his sentence deck
that's a new one for me
>>19811265
>doesn't know any japanese, just memorized some symbols
>"you're a major league player comparing yourself to little leaguers!"
>>19811275
>And your worthless fucking English tweets aren't you hypocritical retard?
they're not worthless he's a leader subscribe to his patreon and give him money because he became an expert overnight by giving matt money it's pyramids all the way to the top

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yeah he was actually fuckin obese so forget about japanese this kids makin real positive changes and now hes just a fat ass god speed

>> No.19811333

>>19811298
>yeah kudos to the fat guy losing weight
he wanted to lose weight and he lost weight
everyone here wants to learn japanese and can't learn japanese
who's really winning
not him because he can't learn japanese either but i think i was going somewhere with this

>> No.19811343

>>19811333
no for real like hes literally building more years onto his life where he can not know japanese by losing weight its truly the shining success of ajatt

>> No.19811357

Why do ajatters hate japan so much?

>> No.19811362

>>19811343
prolonging the dekinai
is he truly our guy?

>> No.19811363

>>19811357
Because they can’t go

>> No.19811382

if anyone itt is over 100 kilos and not like 200cm tall and muscular i hope you wont let yourself lose to the likes of "jakevsjapan"

>> No.19811408

>>19811382
sorry i don't understand subhuman measuring units..

>> No.19811415

>>19811408
based and american

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>19811408
>the eternal mutt strikes again
I apologize on his behalf as an American, please don't hate us.

>> No.19811419

holy shit this is too much shit im not gonna read that wont even fit in a reasonably sized image ajatters are the worst

https://twitter.com/shoudori/status/1026932970677039109

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>> No.19811452

>>19811419
he starts off not completely off the rails until he suggests that knowing a concept exists makes it harder to learn a foreign word for it

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absolutely insane

he could have eaten a volume of manga or 3 in the time it took him to think up this twitter essay

>> No.19811467

this is what happens when youve never learned anything outside of school before

>> No.19811479

>>19811467
what are you talking about he's learning from matt's youtube videos and private discord channel right now

>> No.19811491

>>19811452
they call that the ajatt plunge off of mt stupid

>> No.19811492

dot 0000004 cents have been deposited into your patreon wallet

>> No.19811504

is that how it works i wouldn't mind getting paid to shitpost

>> No.19811518

how do i remember basic grammar stuff if i don't want to reread tae kim, do the DoJG deck, read, or consume any japanese material?

>> No.19811530

>>19811518
heisig's remembering the grammar

>> No.19811536

>>19811452
I don't think he ever suggests that, just that already having another word for it ingrained really well makes the new word harder to learn than the first one was.

I think that's kind of bullshit though. Children don't actually learn languages fast enough for it to be impressive.

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19811565

After learning the Kana, should I be tackling Tae Kim, Genki I, or RTK?
Or try them simultaneously?

>> No.19811572

how many ajatters do i have to follow on twitter to learn japanese

>> No.19811582

>>19811572
>having a twitter
you can't learn japanese

>> No.19811589

>>19811536
i'm not going to read the essay again but isn't that effectively the same thing?
in addition to what you said, i think it's bullshit because in your native language you're simultaneously learning what the object or concept even is with the word, once you know that it exists you have less to learn in a new language
a better argument would be that when you are learning your first language you have nothing to fall back on to understand the concept, so there is a higher level of necessity of learning the word

>> No.19811590

>>19811582
twitter is a japanese website

>> No.19811603

>>19811565
have you considered reading
>>19811572
just matt, the more money you give him the more japanese knowledge you will be able to extract from his precious tweets

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>>19811572

>> No.19811619

>>19811590
made me check honestly.

>> No.19811621

>>19811603
>have you considered reading
I quite literally only know the kana. No grammar, no kanji, no vocab.

>> No.19811634

>>19811621
go through tae kim real quick, do a couple hundred words in a core anki deck and then start reading

>> No.19811636

>>19807638
ありがとう

>> No.19811651

>>19811621
look shit up as you go, it's worked for thousands of weebs that wanted to masturbate to untranslated eroge
what >>19811634 said is fine, emphasis on real quick, you don't memorize grammar from a book, you encounter it a couple hundred times and stop having to think about it
skimming is mostly to get an idea of what kinds of things you'll run into, and an overview of how conjugation and particles appear in a sentence
and don't go past 1000 words in a premade deck if you want to make it

>> No.19811653

>>19811634
>go through tae kim real quick
but you'll forget all of it. i just read the article on conditionals and forgot all of it

>> No.19811656

>>19811621
10000 hours of anime or your gay

>> No.19811667

>>19811653
you're supposed to forget all of it

>> No.19811670

>>19811565
Tae Kim or Genki. You can consider RTK after you finish one of those.

>> No.19811680

>>19811667
wtf then why read it?

>> No.19811683

>>19811670
stop trying to lead him to certain doom
>>19811680
>>19811651

>> No.19811702

>>19811653
who cares if you forget all of it, memorizing what tae kim tells you isn't the point

all you're looking for is some advance help on parsing what e.g. と might mean when you see it a sentence

if something stumps you in practice you can a) think about it a little harder or if that fails b) go back to google

>>19811667

>> No.19811706

>>19811565
come back when youre equipped with the bare minimum >>19811104

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>>19811634
>>19811651
>>19811670
Thanks anons

>> No.19811772

So と can mean "with" and not just "and"? lol stupid system.

>> No.19811783

whats the matter with you boy

>> No.19811798

>>19811772
と means と
stop translating and feel

>> No.19811809

>>19811382
200cm and 100kg is fucking beanpole tier

>> No.19811825

>>19811809
its actually just within the 上限 of healthy weight lol

>> No.19811831

>>19811809
what

>> No.19812039

Why do people obsess over these literal whos instead of classic /jp/ e-celebs like the moogster?

>> No.19812078

what and miss calvins inevitable relapse where he buys back his gpu and arcade stick? fat fuckin chance bro

>> No.19812134

>>19812039
because no one tells me about classic e-celebs, i'm listening
also why not both

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>>19812039
i don't give a FUCK about whoever this retard is. nobody can touch matt.

>> No.19812168

the names from the previous generation have pretty much faded into obscurity when they realized they couldnt make westerners like eroge no matter how many of them they poorly translated

>> No.19812175

>>19812158
1 of my vids has more views than his entire channel lol

>> No.19812178

>>19812175
post it

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>>19812134
https://fuwanovel.net/2012/10/translation-difficulty-tiers-by-moogy/

>> No.19812216

>>19812178
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE-xtCF3T94

>>19812180
the worst part is the disclaimer says dont take this seriously but because 99.9% of people that read it are not any kind of proficient with japanese they just memed the shit out of it lmao

>> No.19812227

is jamal moogy

>> No.19812232

god no

>> No.19812237

>>19812227
Wow, that would explain why he loves Romeo-sama so much.

>> No.19812242

ok so then moogy gets romeos left testicle while you work on the right one naruhodo kanzen ni rikaikundeshita

>> No.19812248

romeos a literary god on the grandest scale trust me

>> No.19812278

come on now james is at least twice moogy's age

>> No.19812284

social experiment time

https://www.strawpoll.me/16394431

>>19812278
thats true

>> No.19812295

the real social experiment is do you have the self control to not voice your opinion on everything

>> No.19812296

>>19803162
That JLPT Tango N5 book uses kanji, just not in the first chapter. However, there's not many N5 kanji so lots of words are kana only. Easy enough if you have the Anki deck to switch words with kanji if that's your thing.

>> No.19812304

>>19812295
i do not

>> No.19812305

>>19812295
i didn't understand what you were getting at so i had to vote to shit up poll sorry you won

>> No.19812308

i wasnt him btw just wanted to voice my opinion

>> No.19812312

it's okay no one can hold back that's why we're such a close bunch

>> No.19812319

What's the best way to learn to write? RTK or KKLC? I can read fine but decided I want to go all in so to speak and fully learn the language

>> No.19812331

>>19812319
the third one

>> No.19812333

>>19812319
both are intended for people who do not know japanese and thus should not be used, just make some cards

>> No.19812339

>>19812333
i don't understand why you don't believe mnemonics/imagery are better than not especially because you did RTK.

>> No.19812344

someone post the tegami

>> No.19812348
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19812348

Just started learning japanese a few days ago using tae kim's guide and i have a couple of questions:
First, the guide teaches you about hiragana and just a paragraph later starts using it to explain more grammar stuff, should i learn hiragana before continuing with the guide?
And also how many kanjis should i learn before i start reading anything at all?

>> No.19812352

>>19812339
you can use mnemonics or imagery on anything holding you up, but you don't need to default to it for everything, you don't need to use a shitty ordering, and most importantly, practice words

>> No.19812357

>>19812348
stop posting stop looking at guides and just watched 10000 hours of subbed anime then revisit the matter

>> No.19812387

>>19812348
keep skimming the guide and finish it within two weeks
simultaneously learn all hiragana and katakana within a week (you will still make mistakes until you actually read, move on)
kanji are not words, you can learn a few hundred words (written in kanji) from core2k or anon5k or whatever is hip these days, if you go past 1000 words from a premade deck you will never learn japanese
read and listen (and optionally mine words you've seen more than 2-3 times for a self-made deck) ganbaremashoukattegozaimashiteittedayone

>> No.19812398

>>19812387
thanks i'll try that

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seishun is truly beautiful

>> No.19812405

>>19812333
I mean talking about learning stroke order for writing though

>> No.19812415

>>19812405
you learn stroke order for free by just writing
why does anyone think stroke order is hard

>> No.19812418

I'm reading Yotsubato for the 1st time, what can you tell me about the book's difficulty? isn't it too slangy for your taste? what are good and bad sides to it?

>> No.19812429

>>19812418
bad sides:
boring
not interesting
dumb
pointless
gay slang
harder to look up words since there's no texthooker

pro sides:
...the nhk easy of manga.

just play a VN.

>> No.19812445

>>19812418
>isn't it too slangy for your taste
for my taste? it should be obvious to you that stronger slang exists, you get used to it very quickly
>what are good and bad sides to it?
you get some exposure to real sentences without long lines dropped on you, it's okay for baby's first japanese, but as my dude above says just play a vn, install a few and continue with the first one that doesn't make you want to die either because it's too hard or because it's too shit

>> No.19812449

>>19812418
pros

it doesnt read like a text book
it covers a variety of things in japanese life
its relaxed, easy

cons

it doesnt read like a text book
it covers a variety of things in japanese life that you dont understand
its only relaxed, easy if you know japanese

so

just read/play what you actually want

if you want nothing do something else with your time like post in djt


おまけ
i used a comma twice look at that shit

>> No.19812458

SRS is a brain disease and i don't know how to cure myself of it

>> No.19812467

>>19812458
it's not inherently bad but it can be abused
what i did was delete all my decks and take a couple weeks off before making a new minimal mining deck and swearing to never spend more than half an hour on reviews again

>> No.19812468

oh biggest pro of all

google window girl.swf

>> No.19812471

There's only like 300 recognition cards in the DoJG deck? What gives? This isn't enough grammar.

>> No.19812476

>>19812449
What if what he actually wants to read is Cross Channel?

>> No.19812478

>>19812476
theyll just quit in week one dismissing it as trash : )

>> No.19812479

>>19812471
>300
600*
What gives? I bet there could be 1200.

>> No.19812482

>>19812476
ohh also big one

they will complain to me about how to make the window bigger

>> No.19812487

>>19812319
>>19812333
>>19812405
KKLC is designed for people who have experience with reading the language. It says so right in the introduction.

>> No.19812489

>>19812482
?
Reprint edition (same as the original game but highes res) works fine in fullscreen on W10.

>> No.19812497

if youre not playing the original 2003 edition you are fuckin up real bad

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lol translators

>> No.19812515

>>19812497
How so? It's literally the same thing but higher res. It's not the newer "complete" edition with bonus content.

>> No.19812606

>>19812515
its literally stretched cgs thats not higher res unless you also prefer your music rips to be transcodes

and if you say you just listen to music on youtube ill start havin a seizure and shit

>> No.19812614

>>19812511
look you gotta respect anyone who thinks they can try

the futility of sharing your burning passion for the holiness of romeo is one of the most beautiful things in the world

>> No.19812625

>>19812606
It has the same aspect ratio so it can't be stretched, at worst it's upscaled. Doesn't change the fact that it runs on modern Windows without any problems.
>and if you say you just listen to music on youtube ill start havin a seizure and shit
Of course not, I still use soulseek and have almost 2TB of non-lossless music.

>> No.19812640

where did pissjug meme come from, which video?

>> No.19812643

>>19812625
i think the only proper thing you can do is run your native res at 1024x768 while running a winxp vm to play the original edition of cc

you cant make this gomer budge on this

i hate the willplus shit

>> No.19812645

I am 1255 words into core6k and I want to drop it. It's cutting too much into my reading time and the benefit is dropping off fast.
However most of my Japanese learning happens on mobile on the train and I can imagine going back and forth between tachiyomi, Firefox to look up words, and Anki to make cards would be very inefficient and time consuming when I could be reading more.
I'd like to optimise the process of making the cards as much as possible.
For those of you who mine on mobile, what's your work flow like?

>> No.19812646

>>19812640
The one where he has a bottle of yellow liquid on the desk.

>> No.19812652

>>19812646
for clarity he has an assortment of plastic bottles that he drinks his surely better than tap water from and one large piss jug

>> No.19812655

>>19812645
for someone who has just started the Core, why is it so bad you want to drop it 1000 cards in? are the wors not common enough?

>> No.19812657

There seem to be slight differences between meaning in the way that そう can be used. It can show understanding, agreement, surprise, or ask a question. I may be over-analyzing it but here is how I've come to interpret their meanings. Do you agree? I've only been learning Japanese for a year.

そうか - I see (understanding)
そうね - That's true (agreement)
そうだ(ね) - That's true (agreement)
そうなんだ - Oh Really? (surprise)
そうなんだね - That's true (agreement)
そうです(ね) - That's true (agreement)
そうなんです(ね) - That's true (agreement)
そう - I see. I agree. Oh really!? (It can mean any depending on how its pronounced)

On the other hand the following are all questions:

そうか?
そうなんか
そうですか
そうなんですか

Thoughts?

>> No.19812661

>>19812645
if your heart isnt in the cards anymore seriously dont worry about not doing them anymore and just go play with nihongo youll be fine i promise if your heart is truly in that

>> No.19812662

sou

>> No.19812673

>>19812657
あらそう

>> No.19812674
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19812674

Just got a kindle, now I am no longer tied to my desktop to read. Anyone else ascended to reading all the time for pleasure?

>> No.19812675

>>19812655
>are the wors not common enough?
Yes.
And as I said, I'd rather use the time more on reading.

>Just started
No

>>19812661
I want to remember the words I come across though, so I still want to mine, but I want to cut down the new cards.
The cards being way more relevant to my use for Japanese should counteract the decrease in new cards, increasing the benefit of doing Anki while giving me more time to read.

>> No.19812676

>>19812645
what I used to do is just switch between my reading app and my dictionary app and save all the words to add to anki later

I don't advocate doing this though

what I ended up doing shortly after and still do now is just don't use anki at all because it's hot shit, all it does is cut into your japanese time

>> No.19812679

>>19812675
dont take this the wrong way but all that shit you said is actually fuckin stupid

stop sweatin that bullshit and just go play trust me

>> No.19812681

>>19812674
everyone who actually did that is reading on their amazon kindle paperwhite instead of posting here dude

>> No.19812691

>>19812679
Prove it
I want to remember well the words I come across

>> No.19812692

>>19812674
>>19812681
can you read only novels on Kindle? Manga must be impossible right? I saw how PDFs work on it and it was travesty

>> No.19812693

Imagine being the kind of subhuman who buys Internet-connected Amazon devices despite the endless evidence that Amazon spies on everything you do all the time.

>> No.19812695

>>19812487
what it says has little to do with the reality of what it is

>> No.19812704

the Core words aren't common enough, so there are 2 ways to go about it:
1) improve the deck so most common words are at the beginning
2) make an add-on for mining words, and IF they are in the Core they get added to a custom study or get tagged so you can study them

>> No.19812705

>>19812676
Are there dictionary apps that can automatically add cards to Anki?

>> No.19812716

>>19812681
>reading on their amazon kindle paperwhite(tm) which you can by at ...
That is the exact model I have but the way you worded it sounded hella shilly

>>19812692
You can upload a pdf on it so you can read manga, but it is kinda small so it would be pretty shitty for actually reading manga on especially since it cant really scroll all to well.

>> No.19812718

>>19812691
do the reading more thing that you say you want to be doing

also if you havent watched about 10000 hours of anime you should do that too

>> No.19812723

>>19812655
all the words are common, coredrones will defend that to the death so i have to say it up front
the problem is they aren't necessarily the most common words in the specific material that you are actually consuming at the moment
and learning words you aren't using instead of words you are is obviously not helping you read more

>> No.19812740

are there even any ereaders that don't spy on you?

>> No.19812760

>>19812692
amazon sells kindle versions of manga but I've never tried it because I expect it to be just as shitty as you think. I just use it for the retail stuff we have on the DJT library

>>19812705
no, I would add the words to a favorite list that was built in to the app and work off that later

not super efficient and anyway now I just use ebwin pocket edition or whatever, and jamal is right you should stop using anki

>> No.19812766

>>19812740
Notepad

>> No.19812817
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19812817

>>19812740

>> No.19812820

Is there any difference in emphasis between 欲しい and ーたい form verbs?

>> No.19812823

how does this happen

>> No.19812828

>>19812820
They are the opposite of each other. Read a grammar guide.

>> No.19812832

>>19812820
欲しい is not in regard to your own actions

>> No.19812834

>>19812766
not anymore >>>/g/67435936

>> No.19812835

>>19812834
holy AIDS

>> No.19812838

>>19812820
to demonstrate >>19812832

話しかけないで欲しい

>> No.19812844

>>19812834
i heard that it was going to support unix line endings and went "oh cool it only took 35 years" but i'm glad it comes with a cost because i really hated that windows still came with a barebones simple lightweight fast single-purpose tool that wasn't backed by the cloud

>> No.19812851

>>19812844
win fuckin blows

*sighs and digs out knoppix cd*

>> No.19812854

>>19811006
>>19810903
>>19812418
>>19812716
Manga isn't reading though.

>>19812692
It is impossible to read manga if that's what you're getting at.

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19812859

>>19812854

>> No.19812861

可愛いエロゲ女の子が俺におしっこして欲しい

>> No.19812862

>>19812760
>amazon sells kindle versions of manga but I've never tried it because I expect it to be just as shitty as you think
You can buy the manga on amazon and then remove the DRM in calibre. No need to use a kindle reader to read it.

>> No.19812864
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19812864

>「慣れるまで女の子は痛いって聞くし、毎日してもらえれば、私の体もあなたに馴染んでいくと思う」

>> No.19812870

>>19812861
>>19812859

>> No.19812874

>>19812870
いやですわ

>> No.19812884

>>19812862
see >>19812854

>> No.19812885

>>19812723
ah yes
電卓, 内閣, 展覧会, 俳句, 同封, 同姓, 通帳, 虫歯, 日韓, 日の丸, 初詣, 蛋白質, and 雛祭
all such common basic words certainly more common and basic than 危うく/危うい and 天使

core 6k is indefensible even on the idea that "every word in it is common", especially in the last 500~1000

>> No.19812895

how can you say you love your flash cards if you wont eat their poop

>> No.19812901

>>19812851
i only have it installed for an easier time with japanese eroge and the rare video game, but the gall of putting bing in notepad might push me to use wine or a vm, it just shows that there's nothing they wont fuck up

>> No.19812918
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19812918

while i'm here i'm gonna repost this deck
>>19731737
https://my.mixtape.moe/rwlraz.apkg

>> No.19812968

>>19812862
You can also pirate most manga and novels which is what I do to begin with. I just use the kindle as a platform to read it.

>> No.19812971
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19812971

Hold me

>> No.19812994

まったく、俺の妹のおしっこがあわわで美味しい

>> No.19813022

>>19812885
Core 2k/6k are from a frequency list of Asahi Shimbun newspapers published from 1991 to 2001. Fuck yeah a lot of those words are not common. However, when Core came out it was the best of any available options (especially since iKnow fucked up and released them as creative commons).

However, Core is no longer the best option available. If the JLPT Tango series can be fully made into Anki decks, they should be superior to Core 2k/6k in every way. At the moment, only N5, N4 and N3 have been made. They will be finished though.

>> No.19813048

vncore is the best.
If you don't agree get out of /jp/

>> No.19813053

>>19813048
link me

>> No.19813062

>>19813053
>>19812918 I think

>> No.19813074

vncore is for winbabs

hentaicore is for the boys who like to fsck

>> No.19813078

>>19813074
link me

>> No.19813083

>>19813022
anything meant for the jlpt is bad because it has to subscribe to what the jlpt tests early on and you should only use frequency lists or shared decks for a few hundred or a little over a thousand words at the most anyway, so anything that's actually very common but the jlpt decides not to test until N2 or N1 is going to be missing, and anything stupid that they teach for N4 for bad reasons is going to be in the deck instead

>> No.19813100

>>19813083
There's nothing bad about the deck that isn't present in any beginner source. Plus, you're supposed to still watch and read a shitload of Japanese. Structured decks just help you get more and more out of your immersion.

>> No.19813109

>>19813100
you can say that about literally anything including core 6k
think for yourself, don't just assume that what nukemarine is preparing for people is a good idea

>> No.19813114
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19813114

おはようおにいちゃん

たいふうちょっとそれた

だいじょうぶっぽい

そんなことより

さんまたべよ

>> No.19813130

>>19813114
ぶじでよかったな

>> No.19813138

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr6MKdbblp4

Hi there Steve here making the same video again

>> No.19813145

>>19813130
にほんのそとから

これみられる?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8sUDtjMJS8

>> No.19813177

What's the suggested Core 2k deck?

>> No.19813188

>>19813022
>They will be finished though.
imagine using premade decks past n3 vocab holy shit

>> No.19813240

>>19813022
You type exactly like NukeMarine.

>> No.19813253

>>19813048
No audio dude. Fuck vncore.

>> No.19813254

I've done all my kanji, and have a good grasp of say 1900 and I know the readings for all of those kanjineed more reviews for the others since they're still pretty young. Now why shouldn't I do core 2/6k?

>> No.19813264

>audio
Who the fuck cares
If you watched 1000 hours of anime you would already know Japanese pronounciation.

>> No.19813268

>>19813254
You should start learning Japanese instead.

>> No.19813278

>>19813268
I''ve started reading as wellalready went through Tae Kim, but I'm addicted to the grind.

>> No.19813289

>>19813109
I do say that. Whether you study Tae Kim, Core, Genki, Minna no Nihongo, JFZ, whatever. You need to be immersing and not have what you study be your only exposure to Japanese.

Nuke's just making an Anki deck based on existing material. This material looks legit. Nuke's just anal about how the decks look and includes a lot of index fields. That makes it easier to customize.

>> No.19813295

honestly the more bait and less sincere questions that get posted the better off the actual learners are because theyre prolly not here

so to those that say the threads are getting worse i say no no

>> No.19813313

>>19813188
If it's fun, use it. If not, get from mining or another source. Personally, I'm going to go mix of drama mining and that N3 deck. Looking at the book, a lot of words will get skipped since I know them. The sentences might be a different story.

>> No.19813321

>>19813240
Jee, I wonder why.

>> No.19813338

https://youtu.be/xcM9kCZt9o8?t=1h13m6s

>> No.19813339

数学は難しいわね
帰りたい

>> No.19813361

やっぱりだめです

たいふうすごい

>> No.19813582

そとで

街路樹が

へしおれてる?

おとがした

ベキィっていった

>> No.19813603

>>19809973
Not giving up

>> No.19813613

>>19813361
F

>> No.19813638

>>19813254
How do you know the readings already? Did you go all the way through Rtk?

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>>19813278
this thread is for learning japanese, not grinding flashcards

ideally you shouldn't be posting here at all

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19813661

The furigana obviously doesn't help.
Anyone know what word this is?

>> No.19813666

>>19813661
yeah

>> No.19813667

>>19813661
Pure Love.

>> No.19813669

>>19813661
How do you not know 純愛? Anyway, try drawing it on google translate next time.

>> No.19813676

>>19813666
>>19813667
>>19813669
Nvm jishod pure love and found it

>> No.19813689

>>19813661
>>19813676
>djt

>> No.19813690

those twitter posts, christ
i always thought AJATTers were DJT because it's hardcore unlike reddit genkiers but I guess matt went too far with publicity and attracted the wrong crowd.
guess that doesn't matter though because they don't seem like they're going to learn japanese and they'll burn out even quicker than genki/classroom fags

ajatt is still legit if you follow the ideas hardcore without falling for meme grammar books but i probably won't at least publicly follow matt and call myself an ajatter anymore

>> No.19813693

>>19813690
AJATT works better if you’re at least N4.

>> No.19813694

>>19813690
you can attract a lot of crazies by taking something obvious giving it a name and monetizing it cult is probably too strong a word but yeah

>> No.19813699

んなあ

どしがたい

たいふうのはしっこのはずなのに

>> No.19813711

青春を送る
I've tried to google this but can't find any solid answers.
Does anyone know what this phrase means?

>> No.19813717

did you even try looking at any of the translations given for おくる you literal anglo

>> No.19813718

>>19813711
Yeah. Look up 送る in a monolingual dictionary.

>> No.19813743

>>19813718
Ok, as far as I can tell it means to live your youth

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>>19813699
taifuu no shikko?

>> No.19813782

>>19813758
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaNR5-Iwnlk

>> No.19813787
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19813787

Nice desu

>> No.19813790

かわいい女の子が俺にたいふうしっこして欲しい

>> No.19813794

>>19813787
whats this

>> No.19813802

>>19813787
>みたい
what did he mean by this

>> No.19813811

>>19813794
I spent most of the day fucking around with org-mode to figure out how to make a table of leeches and similars. The specific thing I achieved was making the similars automatically hyperlink to the row it refers to.

>> No.19813812

guess i'll publish this before my laptop dies

aZlaB on paste.ee

routledge frequency dictionary of japanese csv

>> No.19813818

>>19813811
oh thats cute but do you really have enough leaches that this is necessary

>> No.19813825

>>19813818
Yes, and I've been meaning to look into org-mode so this was a nice exercise.

>> No.19813828

>>19813825
whatd you use for the similars some sort of radical db or just if its the same number of kanji and shares kanji

>> No.19813835

ちょうぜつ

かぜふいたみたい

>▼4日(火)15時30分までの最大瞬間風速
>関空島(大阪)  58.1m/s
>和歌山(和歌山) 57.4m/s
>室戸岬(高知)  55.3m/s
>友ヶ島(和歌山) 51.8m/s
>熊取(大阪)   51.2m/s

>> No.19813846

>>19813828
Whatever I feel I conflate with that word, generally similar kanji or pronunciation. 清楚 清潔, 治まる 収まる, et cetera.

>> No.19813852

>>19813846
oh so manually thats fine then good luck dont forget to read

>> No.19813853

>>19813812
anon core 5000 is literally this with corrections

>> No.19813858

>>19813853
yeah its been extracted before. just couldn't have my hard work rot on my hard drive forever.

>> No.19813979

new thread, embarassing edition >>19813974

>> No.19813987

>>19813979
Early, lazy op, messed up subject field.
Fuck off cancer.

>> No.19814034

Considering the time taken for rtk, I don't think there's any reason to skip it. It's not like it won't be helpful, right?

>> No.19814037

>>19813979
>early
>edition
>trip
>no thread#
shamefur display

>> No.19814068

たいふうが

とおりすぎた

だいじょうぶじゃないしゃしんが

あがってきてる

>> No.19814096

15秒くらいのひと

がいこくのあのんだとおもう

たいふうのなかでにほんのひとは

バイシクルにはのらない
https://www.asahi.com/articles/ASL944TVHL94PTIL01Q.html?iref=com_alist_8_01

>> No.19814132

>不意に came up in anki
>thinks to myself, oh yeah, ふいに, I know what that means, that means a [thing] that happens without any warning, without you being prepared for it, happening at surprising pace
>"suddenly, abruptly"
I'm losing English, and I'm already not fluent in it

>> No.19814157

>>19814132
Cool

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