/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>1978407
I have a site you will like: http://www.somethingawful.com/

Rude sage.

i don't even play touhou, but that would make me sad.
it would take crazy amounts of work to get those games done alone

>>1978418
>it would take crazy amounts of work to get those games done alone

Inb4 140+ reply

>>1978407
I enjoyed reading each of the threat letters. funny stuff.
>In case you didn't know, Sweeden isn't a member of the Unite States. That means U.S. laws don't apply here.

>Microsoft
>James Young
>Internet Investigator

HAHAHAHAHA OH WOW.

>>1978425
They've always made me giggle.

The Touhou games are not easily accessible in most countries. Are people going to:
A: Pay a fair bit and wait a while for it to get shipped to them
B: Point to a RapidShare/MegaUpload/BitTorrent source, that costs as much as Aya

>>1978425
>In case you didn't know, Sweeden isn't a member of the Unite States. That means U.S. laws don't apply here.
Fucking morons.

ADV's email:

Through our Internet monitoring program, we recently discovered unauthorized use of our Protected Work in connection with your website (www.thepiratebay.org) (the "Site"). Specifically, the Protected Works
are being offered for Internet download, copying and distribution through Bit Torrent technology.

Therefore, without limiting any right, remedy or defense available to us, ADV MUST ASK THAT YOU IMMEDIATELY:

1) Delete and cease all further use of the Protected Work, and any other unauthorized ADV works, from the Site.

2) Remove and delete all copies of the Protected Work, and any other unauthorized ADV titles, from any other distribution channel owned, operated or otherwise controlled or accessible by you or those to
whom you grant access including other web sites, FTP servers, web-based storage services, peer-to-peer systems and the like (each of the
foregoing being a "Channel").

The Piratebay's response:
Hello, my dear sir(s)! We all like Evangelion a lot. This, however, does not mean that we like YOU. So instead of mindlessly acting on your notice of so-called

>try imagining if ZUN sent them a cease and desist letter and the Piratebay's spokesperson put up a reply to that letter mocking him

>>1978439
I agree, our laws apply to every person on the face of the earth.

>>1978443
WHY DID THEY FEEL THE NEED TO SUB "AHAHAHAHA"

piratebay owns close thread ban the op

>>1978446
because that's not how japanese laugh, they go:
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

>>1978433
For the sake of this scenario pretend that ZUN managed to some how market Touhou outside of Japan.

>>1978450
He hasn't. He won't.

But for sake of discussion, most of the MAINSTREAM game developers haven't dealt with the digital transition. Maybe ZUN should innovate in this area.

piratebay has mila kunis mile y cyrus and Twilight
even snuff and Harry porrterz

>>1978444
You best be trolling, nigga.

>>1978447 Hurr durr I'm just some stupid kid who'll never become anything. Because I'll never work hard to create a software or original content, I'll just pirate everything.

To the people who actually create original content, the piratebay is an annoyance. If something like this ever happened to me and the Swedish government didn't do any thing to help me, I'd take the law into my own hands and ddos the piratebay off of the Interwebs.

Here's how I see it. If a person who has no intention of purchasing a product decides to illegally download a product, I have no problem with it. But if that person decided to not buy the product because he could get it online for free, then I would take offense to it.

What ever happened to honor amongst thieves? If a person doesn't want you to pirate his product, what's so hard about purchasing the product?

>>1978471
ಠ̯͡ಠ﴿

>>1978475
"Honor among thieves" refers to not stealing from each other; not to not stealing from anyone who doesn't want to be stolen from.

>I'm all for pirating, but the bastards at Piratebay take it to a whole new level.

My name is ZUN, and I hate every single one of you.

>try imagining if ZUN sent them a cease and desist letter
>try imagining if ZUN were a huge faggot
fixed.

>>1978475
>>what's so hard about purchasing the product?

You're either a complete troll or fucking retarded. You're in a board full of neckbeards living with their parents who never work.

>>1978475
> purchase
Are you trying to imply that you wouldn't provide your products for Free? If so, you are a faggot.

>>1978475
>I'd take the law into my own hands and ddos the piratebay off of the Interwebs.
I haven't laughed in a while, thanks.

>>1978475

>Here's how I see it. If a person who has no intention of purchasing a product decides to illegally download a product, I have no problem with it.
>But if that person decided to not buy the product because he could get it online for free, then I would take offense to it.

What is this I don't even

/jp/ - Legal/General

>>1978475
10/10, very good troll, my endorphin level is at maximum.

not that i'm against pirating and all - i do shitloads of it myself, but i feel kinda bad pirating stuff from people like ZUN.

large companies such as EA on the otherhand.... well, fuckem

Since when did /jp/ ever pay for anything anyway? I can't imagine how much money's worth of VNs I've pirated.

>>1978501
If ZUN cared about it he would sell his games with international shipping on an English language site.

>>1978489
>Are you trying to imply that you wouldn't provide your products for Free? If so, you are a faggot.

If you're a small business, eventually you'll have to sell some of your projects. I bet ZUN would love to give away his products for free, the only problem with that is that humans tend to need food in order to survive.

>>1978508

Well in the thousands.

>>1978511
ZUN has a job, it's not Touhou. He sells Touhou for dirt cheap at Comiket.

>>1978513
Man, that's only like 10 VNs.

>>1978515
Not to mention what he earns with the official books.

>>1978508
If all Anons were to count up how much stuff they've pirated it would quite literally be in the billions. I'd say the average Anon has pirated 30,000 dollars worth of stuff. Photoshop, Maya, 20GB of /h/ games, 30GB worth of video games.

Look at it this way:
How many of you would never have gotten into Touhou if it wasn't for being able to download the games online? I suspect almost all of you.
How many of you will now, when given the opportunity, spend money to buy the Touhou games or related merchandise? I suspect a lot of you.

>>1978535
> Photoshop
> Implying Anon runs Windows
wwwwwww

>>1978535
Just the PS2 ISOs are 110 GB(80 games average price 30-40$).
Videogames at total would be about 17,000 bucks.

In all my life, I have actually spent about 5-6000$

>>1978535
>Maya

>>1978540
>when given the opportunity, spend money to buy the Touhou games or related merchandise? I suspect a lot of you.
Yeah, about that...

>>1978535
I've probably pirated a larger nominal value in porn alone.

>>1978549
Go back to /g/

the fact is that there is no such thing as 'intellectual property', it is an imaginary concept. That said, if there is a product that I would make good use out of, I usually attempt to buy it, except in cases where I would be forced to use that product because of monopolistic behaviour.

>>1978549

You must be some sort of stupid.

>>1978588
>>1978594
Butthurt Windows / Mac OS X users.

> To Whom It May Concern:
>
> This letter is being written to you on behalf of our
> client, DreamWorks SKG (hereinafter ^ÓDreamWorks^Ô).
> DreamWorks is the exclusive owner of all copyright,
> trademark and other intellectual property rights in
> and to the ^ÓShrek 2^Ô motion picture. No one is
> authorized to copy, reproduce, distribute, or
> otherwise use the ^ÓShrek 2^Ô motion picture without
> the express written permission of DreamWorks.
[...]
> As you may be aware, Internet Service Providers can
> be held liable if they do not respond to claims of
> infringement pursuant to the requirements of the
> Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). In

>>1978611
Enjoy your lack of 3rd-party software support.

You're lucky I cant sage.

>>1978592
>such thing as 'intellectual property', it is an imaginary concept.
Fascinating.

>>1978549
Yeah, some of us pirate GIMP.

>>1978650
>Nippon

>>1978629
Thanks, I'll enjoy my Touhous and VNs.

I am not lucky you cannot sage, sage is a wonderful thing. I wish all posts were sage like in glorious Nippon where people will get angry if you by accident forget to sage a thread.

Why does The Pirate Bay always get attacked? There are so many torrent sites that have even more torrents than The Pirate Bay, but I never read news about them.

>>1978681
Maybe it's just because the owners are so awesome

>>1978648
>>1978650
>>1978629
>>1978611
>>1978549

/jp/ - OS/General

>>1978681
because the piratebay acts like flagrant assholes about it, and so do most of its primary user base.

>>1978698
Hooray!

>>1978592
The fact is that there is no such thing as 'property': it is an imaginary concept.

>>1978710
Did miku just rape come by and rape her too and forget her onion?

>>1978407
If somebody mocked ZUN on the Internet then obviously the proper response would be to stop pirating stuff.

Huh?

>>1978549
>>1978592
Someone here likes rms...

I don't think many people would pay for shipping of a physical object, cause it takes too long. Also this is /jp/. I'd love them to try getting their desires through customs...

I'd buy: Digital download, NO DRM, ease of payment, actually funding the authors. Sadly not offered enough.

>>1978510

Paletweb is close enough.

>>1978407
it's just a tracker and indexed torrent files, that's not someones "precious" orginal content

>>1978733
ZUN is a tremendous faggot and his games are shit.

>>1978748
But torrent files point to illegal content.

I'm not sure about Swedish law, but in America, if someone gets murdered in front of you, then you sell maps telling people where the murder took place, you'd get arrested for not reporting the crime. You would also get arrested for selling maps to where the crime took place.

>>1978681
Biggest torrent tracker on the net.

>>1978769

good thing nobody is getting killed over torrents

>>1978769
>But torrent files point to illegal content.

Not necessarily true, and to assume such is dangerous, legally and morally.

>>1978769
The current laws suit the middlemen. Not the actual authors, nor the people who enjoy their works. They deserve to be ignored.

>>1978769
Criminal vs. civil law. Your analogy doesn't mean shit.

Pirate bay dudes are trolls. Everyone pirates, it's just that they aren't hypocrites about it.

Back when 4chan was having a quarrel with doujin-world I trolled datorrents a lot for complying with the D-W retards and removing our torrents at their request.

>>1978845
>aren't hypocrites
They are pretentious shitcunts who think they are on the right side of things, though. Faggots who regard torrents as some sort of political movement against companies who can't answer their absurd expectation (I can't possibly pay for things I think are shit but play anyways, right guys?!) really get on my nerves.
Shit's free, that's awesome, no need to bring on the fucking social critique mumbo jumbo.

>>1978863

oh please, they never said anything about it being the right thing to do

>>1978863

They aren't self-righteous. They're fully aware they're being pricks for the sake of it.

Everyone pirates these days. People got used to getting shit for free. Some artists have woken up and smelled the coffee already, most still continue with their lawsuit bullshit.

Recently Amazon reported an increase in sales of Monty-Python DVDs by 23.000 percent AFTER the group started offering the entire movies for free download.

What does Anons have against big corporations? Just because a company has millions of dollars, you believe you have the right to pirate their stuff? What if ZUN was the CEO of a giant company, would the Japanese blatantly pirate his stuff.

>>1978887
actually, yes they would. Japan and asia in general make the rest of the world look like saints when it comes to piracy.

>>1978880
Oh yeah, I've been thinking of getting that some time. Are they really that good?

I pirate everything Zun makes, and then sell the copys on eBay

Then I send a truck load of rapid dogs to Zuns house to bite his nuts.

Sometimes I go over and hit him in the head with a golf club.

Yeah I fuckin hate that guy, infact I hate all people who produce video games, just because they make something I enjoy.
Fuck those guys, making good things.

>>1978942

People don't pirate stuff because they hate the creators. They just don't like spending money.

Stop this nonsense.

This thread, lol. "Hey here's something that has nothing to do with /jp/ but ZUN. Discuss"

>>1978942
So tsundere.

>>1978949
No I actually do Pirate stuff I hate and give it to people who would usually buy it.

Seriously fuck video games.

>Hello and thank you for contacting us. We have shut down the website in
question.

Oh wait, just kidding. We haven't, since the site in question is fully
legal. Unlike certain other countries, such as the one you're in, we have
sane copyright laws here. But we also have polar bears roaming the
streets and attacking people :-(.


> This unauthorized activity with respect to the distribution of EA's
> software products constitutes infringement of EA's intellectual property
> rights. EA enforces its intellectual property rights very aggressively
> by using every legal option available.

Please don't sue us right now, our lawyer is passed out in an alley from

>>1978973
Europeans don't know how to behave. Filthy anarchist deserve to be shot.

>>1978970

Go back to bed, Jack Thompson.

>>1978980

While hypocrisy in the cloak of liberalism should just kill yourself in fire

>>1978949

With most mainstream games, it's either:
- Legal version with likely virus (called DRM) that also funds these evils
- Cracked version free download easy to get with possible virus

I don't think avoiding the former is a bad thing.

With Touhou, the problem is availability. Short of the dedicated fans, there aren't many who will look on various obscure websites for copies.

people who pirate stuffs are really no different than those who distribute them.

once you have the engine, no real work goes into danmaku shooters.

You make sprites, you make some music, and you devise a few bullet patterns, or mix and match new ones from your old games.

Ikaruga was made by 2 people.
They deserve my money, because Ikaruga is a masterpiece.
True effort went into that.

Zun's works are rehashes.

>>1978912
>Japan and asia in general make the rest of the world look like saints when it comes to piracy
True for Chinkland; Japan however are law abiding as always when it comes to piracy.

>>1979392
つ http://changi.2ch.net/download/

>>1979392

Stop spewing shit out of your ass. Japan's cultural industry trives on copyright violation. Look at Comiket for one.

>>1979406
copyright violations and piracy are two different things.

Piracy is making a digital copy of someone's intelectual property without compensating them for it.

Copyright violation is using someone's intellectual property to make money.

>>1979412

I meant look at entire stashes of Comiket material available for download within HOURS of release.

>>1979417

Dont argue with idiots.

>>1978407
sweden sure is an awesome country

a little cold but nice laws

>>1979491
Put yourself in the shoes of a person who's product is getting pirated, and I bet you'll change your mind about Sweden.

>>1979510
I doubt anyone on /jp/ will ever in such a position. ಠ_ಠ

>>1979510
I would be happy they like my stuff
My publisher will get 95% of the profit anyways

>>1979510
People who create stuff only to make money shouldn't be creators in the first place. As someone who's created and sold music before, I'd be happy to see it on P2P getting spread around so more people can listen.

Paying for stuff is always good if you have to money, but it is the consumer's responsibility to pay, not the creator's to take the money from them.

>>1978880
>>They aren't self-righteous. They're fully aware they're being pricks for the sake of it.
Did you ever browse /v/?

>>1979558

Do the Piratebay guys show up at /v/?

>You're a hoot, that's what you are :)
I want to hug you in a non-sexual way and tell you that you make my heart burst of joy and cuddle up like a cute little cookie monster and ask for more milk.

... and btw, to be in a business you have very little knowledge on what you're doing. I would actually see you as a retard, but it's hard when you're so cuddly and manly! I wish I was just 20 years older and a girl... oh my..

Hugs n kisses,
Your eternal friend,
Peter

epic lulz

>>1979238
Ikaruga was made by 3 people, is more akin to a puzzle game than a shooter, got a retail release, and got hype up the wazoo by obnoxious "games are art" faggots such as yourself.

The thing that annoys me about piracy is none of them simply use "I get something for free" as their motive. It's always some bullshit about a "victimless crime" or how "I wouldn't have played it." Stealing is one thing, but getting up on your moral high horse afterwards is pretty damn amazing.

I won't bother reading this thread, but it's nice to see that thepiratebay don't mind my downloading of junior idol vids.

>>1978887
Because Anons are worthless NEETs.

http://www.4chan.org/rules.php
>3. Do not post the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies, indecipherable text (example: "lol u tk him 2da bar|?"), anthropomorphic ("furry"), grotesque ("guro"), or loli/shota pornography.
>Trolls
>off-topic

This thread is reportable. I have done so, and invite all sages and silent onlookers to do so as well.

>>1979571
You ought to read why copyright was created in the first place. It's not some god-given right. And over time, it has gotten considerably more biased to one side.

>>1979571
> The thing that annoys me about piracy is none of them simply use "I get something for free" as their motive. It's always some bullshit about a "victimless crime" or how "I wouldn't have played it." Stealing is one thing, but getting up on your moral high horse afterwards is pretty damn amazing.
We only use those arguments when people call us thieves.

>>1979623
But I'm a physics student....

piratebay isn't even good
the search system sucks and the tracker doesn't work half the time

>>1979665
No one cares. Everyone on /jp/ is a NEET, regardless of whether they actually are or not.

>>1979665
No one cares. Everyone on /jp/ is a NEET, regardless of whether they actually are or not. Stop trying to stick out.

>none of them simply use "I get something for free" as their motive

What? That's the only motive we have.

>It's always some bullshit about a "victimless crime"

That's an answer to the "piracy is a theft" troll.

>or how "I wouldn't have played it."

That's an answer to the "the artist/industry/etc. lost money because you didn't pay" troll.

Noone uses them as a motive. Those are just responses to stupid/flawed argumentation on the part of idiots justifying monopolies on information.

I'm a secondary gaijin Touhou fan who's terrible at the games, even on easy mode.

ZUN doesn't want my money, he hates fans like me. If he could do such a thing, he'd want to prevent me from buying them.

In a sense we pay for it with our bandwidth.

Japan has fiber-optic cables (100mb/s) avaliable for residential purchase, but they cost about $300-$400 a month.

So you can pirate all you want with those, but they do cost more.

It'll balance itself out bros.

>>1979782
I'm pretty sure you can get higher speeds for much less. I know I can get 100/100 for about $30 a month.

Piracy takes money from the developers.

Theft takes money from the middlemen, the developers have already been paid once the box is in the store.

Do your part for the gaming industry, shoplift Gamestop today.

>>1979898
Oh dear, this made me laugh.

hug pirates

kiss zun

fuck the riaa

>>1979703
>information
It's entertainment.

>>1979898
Anons who torrent are no better than petty shoplifters. Go to your utorrent's statistics and count how much terabytes of data you've pirated.

100mb = 5 dollars. So if you've pirated 20TB than do the math.

Arguably Anons are worst than shoplifters because they steal things from the safety of their parent's basement.

I sometimes feel bad about pirating touhou games.

Though If i made something that was so good people couldn't resist pirating it even though it made them feel bad that would give me an ego like no other.

If I ever get a job, I'll try buying the Touhou games.
But I don't think that'll happen soon.

How to not pirate in three easy steps:

1. Get a job
2. ?????
3. Profit

You faggots should all be 18+ so you're old enough to fend for yourselves and not leach off others. Stop being faggots and pay for shit. There are a lot of benefits for actually paying for stuff.

Why are you faggots still responding to this thread seriously?

My fucking god.

>>1979936
>>Anons who torrent are no better than petty shoplifters
One is civil the other is criminal.

Stealing slowly is preferred here.

>>1979978

Gee... that was so funny.

>>1979983

Thanks, bro.

Two of my main hobbies are anime and manga. Honestly, if I couldn't download it for free I'd find something else to do. Even if I had a job I wouldn't spend the money on the DVDs or books. I feel like it costs more than it should and I also prefer just having the files on my computer. If it's wrong I don't really care. Sorry.

Every little penny that you spent on something that you could have downloaded could have went on a savings account and you'd have thousands on it now.

Alternatively, you could have donated it to charity to help feed African children.

By buying that VN instead of downloading it you essentially killed one or more starving children. You traded innocent lives for loli pron.

Enjoy your eternal torment in hell.

It comes down to why pay for something that you can get for free. Who cares about supporting developpers.

>>1979983
yea I know, "slowly" hahaha

150+ kb/sec plx. slowly sucks.

>>1980027
Are there any ways to kill little africans without paying for anything?

>>1979726
Hey, if he didn't want us he wouldn't make easy modo.