/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Bumping since it got drowned by the spam. Unfortunately I don't have any good OC to contribute, here's the design I submitted for the Vtuber contest, you may recognize her.

>>19650534
I'd actually like the see other /jp/sie art for the contest if any of them would see this thread and post here.

okay here is an earwig

also regarding the vtuber contest I am personally opposed to anything that's not just yotsuba or moot-tan or maybe just the classic green-faced anon

>>19654248
Why not Snax?

>>19654633
That would also work.

Maybe I will draw this time, maybe I will not.

Pick 5 or more random hashtags and draw an image that would fit!

>>19654248
Cute earwig my dude.
Weird coincidence as well, as I have recently been seeking out a lot of insect girl artwork.
Her hands and face a bit messed up though.

>>19656933
Please do.

I have been in a major artistic slumps for months, especially in regards to music - I only managed to churn out things when working together with others, even though I really want to do some solo work.
Did this two nights ago; it sucks pretty badly and I don't like it, but the fact that I finally did SOMETHING by myself again still is a huge boost in motivation.

https://clyp.it/gtip3bh4?token=91971a26c2c6832eee42f9c0945779f3

>>19657126
Sounds like something from a beat 'em up or western fighting game.

From a few days ago

>>19661245
And scribble shit from earlier

>>19661254
I don't mean to spam but here is another to keep thread alive

Cag's face doesn't seem like it meshes with your artstyle. Is that just the way the face canonically looks?

>>19664167
Hard to say because old Cag and new Cag styles are very different. Still trying different methods for everything. Also I'm not necessarily trying to draw Cag most of the time just practicing certain things and I just use her as a base to practice those things. But I'm not looking at a Cag ref when I do so I usually work off a corrupted memory.

https://thedistantjourneytoyou.bandcamp.com/track/the-finalists-of-the-1949-english-football-cup-according-to-karl-marx

I made a song for a split album with my friends. I tried making a comfy arrange of Alice's themes. Alice is so cute!!

>>19657126
Haha, pretty neat and djent-y. Makes me want to play Streets of Rage.

I remember mentioning I was working on this doujinshi sometime last year, and I've since dropped it and picked it up again. I wanted to have it finished before Comiket, but procrastination's a bitch. I constantly redraw iffy-looking panels too, and if I keep that up I'll never finish the bloody thing.
As much fun as I've had with it, I just want to get this thing out so I can work on something else for a change. Get some critique, learn from my mistakes and do better next time.

>>19665230
Woah that looks cute, clean and nice

from 0 to shit, how bad is it anon?

>>19665822
Could be a lot worse.
Work on those hands and feet anon, don't be like those cheapskates that always hide em.

>>19665230
Holy bajeesus those Nipa's nipas. Also what you have so far looks pretty good already, but it's hard to say anything just from a one page draggy. I hope you finnish the whole thing and we can give you feedbacks.

>>19660850
Waterguns are serious business.

>>19661245
>>19661254
>>19663849
Your anatomy is still in need of a lot of improvement, but the cute bubble butt kinda makes up for it. Keep going friend, I really like seeing your stuff.

>>19665230
I do remember you, I think. Glad to see there is progress happening. Don't give up - half-finished projects are very depressing.

>>19665822
The hands are absolutely awful, but the rest is a rather solid effort. Proportions are off, yes, anatomy wonky indeed - but the basic idea behind it is nice. And even if the drawing itself isn't skillfully crafted, it's still charming and has energy to it. Draw more, friend, you'll get there.

>>19660605
>>19664566
Thanks, both of you, for listening.
Also, glad to see you're still alive and kicking, dude. I still listen to the /jp/ music compilation from time to time, and was meaning to revisit your bandcamp EPs. That new track is nice as always, very space-y and just in general good Post Rock. Keep at it my dude.

Here are some snippets of tracks I'm writing on with one of my current studio projects; we're two guys. I feel like having someone to be creative with can really help. It doesn't really scratch the itch of doing something solo, but it's just good to be more active again.

https://clyp.it/0hv0pigo?token=ed3b0fccc0e40498b68eb5855dde18ad

https://clyp.it/ggjat4jb?token=d96a3e96760dcf43de27d22c37ac8d86

>>19654248
naw fuck that man

>>19665822
10/stop drawing rn

Not sure if you remember me
Spent the summer trying to get into manga making, and getting into an artistic slump

Decided to make a benchmark for today. Hope i become 10x better by my next benchmark

>>19665822
The face is kinda cute although asymmetric. The skirt feels properly floofy.

>>19668001
Hey there, Varappi.
I'd say you have improved. Your proportions are somewhat better and her face isn't as ugly as you used to draw (I'm dead serious here), although the characteristic hesitant linework and paintover, lame hatching, and color palette still give you out right away, as well as the font you use.

>>19664167
I guess this would be a more accurate Cag face albeit simplified. Cag eyes are surprising hard to do without color for me personally. If I try to shade in it starts looking very weird so I usually leave it or just do some other thing. Meanwhile I can darken eyes with other characters like here >>>/i/552523 and its fine

>>19671146
Why does Chihaya have her hair done up like Iori?

>>19671526
Chihaya isn't that curvy

>>19671526
That is a forehead only Iori can have

this anon again >>19665822

thanks for everyone for their input
yeah gonna try to improve the hand part first

pic related -> my today attempt

>>19671884
Hands are still a bit too small. The arms and shoulder also needs more definition. Cute expression tho.

>>19668001
Doing this is good. Sometimes when I am feeling shitty about drawing I look at a year ago and realize how much I improved and it makes me feel better. The only advice I can give now is make the nose smaller and don't draw nostrils

>>19665230
Those text bubbles look kinda small

An angry Cag

>>19679465
Her expression looks more retarded than angry.

maybe

>>19657122

>>19694262
cute

https://soundcloud.com/break_shift/touhou-7-paradise-deep-mountain/s-hlKJS

Trying to get out of my 1 year music slump with a Perfect Cherry Blossom remix.

Above isn't finished and is basically just a repetitive loop from start to finish. Hopefully I'll figure out how to finish it too. That said, I am pretty happy with how the main loop turned out.

>>19695226
I feel like it has potential.

>>19665230
This is superb

>>19680682
no bully

>>19697677
I'm just saying that her eyes look in different directions and her mouth resembles the autistic gununu of Berserker Fran.

>>19697677
I swear proportions only become really apparent after i post. Head is too big for the body making it very loli sized

>>19698069
I'm just messing. I'll try to work on that stuff though.

I submitted this for the contest. I deleted my first version to do revisions, I hope they don't reject this one over spam.

I take a loooong time to draw and especially during the sketching phase so I've decided to train by imposing certain rules on myself to improve my drawing time.

>I can not erase
>If I were to erase, I need to undo or redo everything.
>I can draw over the mistakes made.
>I can move but I am not allowed to scale the image
>I must prevent very rough outlines
>Character must be wearing as little clothing as possible so that the body shape can be seen.
>Drawings can be made under 30 minutes.

I'm doing terrible. This is my third Hecatia ( Her breasts weren't meant to be that big and the proportions are beyond weird ).

>>19701171
I'm not sure those restrictions will help.

This is my 5th attempt.

>>19701729
I'm basically trying to make myself sketch quicker to save more time.
Also trying to sketch without making too many rough lines to make outlining much more accurate. (Making this a habit)
However, currently the proportion are terrible due to the constraints.

>>19699838
Wow this is very good.

>>19701171
Probably shouldn't sweat this stuff too much. It takes most people very long to draw but you'll get faster and faster as you do and without the need for these rules. The only real rule should be to avoid chicken scratching and just look up a ref for problem parts.

>>19701171
>>19701729
>> I can move but I am not allowed to scale the image
This is not a very good idea for sketching with these restrictions, IMO.
Everything else is actually decent for increasing your quality. Quantity is superior to quality, so it's best to do hundreds of sketches in your first year.

t. someone who had to learn this

Suwako popped up today

>>19703741
That's cute but them limbs

>>19699838
It got accepted, I'm so happy.

>>19703896
yeah, its especially rough. it was a "on the spur of the moment" type of thing

Help I don't know how to draw body for guys

>>19704516
Switch the thickness of Cag's hips and shoulders and then you will have a guy.

>>19701171
>Character must be wearing as little clothing as possible so that the body shape can be seen
But then you're not practicing how to draw clothes so your character's clothing won't look as good

>>19705546
That's true, but if i hide the body underneath clothes I can't practice anatomy. It's a conundrum.

>>19705052
I'll test this out

> art for Vtuber contest
Thought it might be better to change the hair’s colour scheme after submission, but lamed to re-submitt it

The next Hecatia.
Forgot to mention I'll only use this rules when practicing.


>>19701912
Sadly chicken scratching became a habit. So it's hard for me to fix it.

>>19702873
>Quantity is superior to quality
Huh... never knew that, thanks for the advice.

>>19706741
Chicken scratching is basically your brain saying "fuck you no data" and you make lines until you make something slightly familiar. It will happen less as you study anatomy. This isn't the same as putting 1 or 2 extra correcting lines

>>19706783
Then I should read up on neck and shoulder anatomy

>>19706842
It is a good idea to just look at everything. Also don't really need a textbook look at anatomy yet just find some videos that focus on specific parts, how they work, and how they can be simplified.

>>19706303
Very cute! The contest holders are getting top quality stuff from /jp/

>>19706942
After scanning the /qa/ thread, it seems to be *only* from /jp/. Aside from the three designs already posted here, everyone else is doing one or more of the following:

-thicc girl
-loli
-Yotsuba clone
-scantily clad (despite rules saying it's supposed to be SFW)
-eyebag NEET
-Color schemes that don't fit

I'm not an art critic by any means, but the stuff there is not very good. Even Jenny is better than everything I've listed above.

I made this a few months back, and I decided to finish it up the other day, because I thought I could make it look nice and I think it's pretty cute.

But what do you think jp?

Neck and shoulder practice, this is how it looks when I rough sketch without the rules.

>>19707653
I submitted mine, planned to make a diff one though.

>>19707750
I think the neck is too long for your drawing style.

>>19707783
Yeah I know it's too long I was just too lazy to redraw the whole entire body just to fix her neck

And the left wing

But thank you for the tips xx

>>19707750
looks like a toddler drawing

>>19708143
I mean, it is a drawing of a toddler senpai....................

this dude again >>19671884

are these hands count as improvement?

>>19707750 slenderemi?

>>19703741 dat cute face

>>19710207
im more worried about those feets, also are your drawing really small or your lines are too thick

>>19710881
>im more worried about those feets
yeah, i can see it

> are your drawing really small or your lines are too thick

the paper are B5, so maybe both, should i change to mechanical pencil instead?

hope you like it

bump

>>19649485

>>19718113
Going to paint in her tails when its coloured.

>>19716480

>>19718113
what the fuck

>>19705767
Still practicing the male stuff. But did this in the meanwhile

>>19718466
Hey nice to see you back. Excellent stuff as always

>>19718113
This looks really cool

I drew a medichan

>>19720884
She looks a bit slab-sided.

One day, I will acheive my goal of drawing 90s style and horrify you all with large pointy noses.

>>19701171
Don't worry about this stuff, grab, say, a statue of Venus from your backyard and sketch it, the only rules you should be making are gridlines with a ruler to preserve the proportions. Take your time, place your lines carefully, and draw the object that is right in front of you as it is. You do this with any object, a flower, a guitar, your mum, to practice drawing more and more. You can also just get a nice picture of Hecatia and trace that(draw on paper what is front of you on the screen), do this daily for a long period of time and you will see some improvements. Oh and erasers are your friend.
>>19665822
10
>>19654248
the horns should be coming out of her ass
>>19720866
cute, you should draw my wife

>>19718113
the thumb is reversed on the wrong side

Hey jp just finished this whatta think

Wait fuck i didnt post it whoops

>>19720866
Y-you too, senpai.

>>19721070
>> grab, say, a statue of Venus from your backyard
Gotta say, I love this example.

>>19706303
I want to submit mime, but should I include my name? I fear spams

>>19721999
I meant mine not mime.

>>19721999
No one's gonna bother spamming you if you're shit.
And if you're any good you'd be getting spammed already anyway.
Question is are you shit?

>>19722155
Yes, No, Maybe. But you brought up a good point, thanks anon.

Mami is my 5th favorite 2hu

>>19722228
cute 2hu

https://clyp.it/efhbyzdx?token=0bf4362384d9db7fab46745f6f6b4bb3
Sometimes it sounds decent to me, sometimes like shit.
It's supposed to have Vocaloid vocals, but like always I can't come up with a singe line of lyrics, so it has a placeholder synth instead.

Ran

>>19722498
The first third (particularly 10-21 and 30-51) strongly reminds me of something. I want to say it's this at 0:43 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D6OVQ7BgMg&t=43 but I thought it was more upbeat like yours.

>>19721070
I know the horns are supposed to be coming out of her ass, but it's cuter this way. For what it's worth, I also flipped the direction of the vest so I guess her head is actually her ass.

>>19722922
>>19722498
I remembered now. It's this song, at parts like 0:46 and 2:52 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YcIMT2hTeg&t=172

also more vaguely of this at 3:08 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZUN89RaP60&t=188

>>19722739
F A T M E A T

>>19722739
you can't just draw a pair of boobs and call it ran

>>19729841
Tell that to every artist that draws Ran

bump

>>19720866
Here's something

>>19721599
Love that drawing!

hello friends; pls dont bully; im aware of the 2x long right leg; and i foreshortened it incorrectly. forgive my mediocrity

>>19735218
Can I bully you over your blatant misuse of the semicolon instead?

>>19735730
yes; but it came from habit; working at a call center i thought it was more tasteful using semi's vs periods as to avoid run on paragraphs of notes.

>>19735818
please stop

>>19739320
is it really that serious, anon-kun?

Hey /jp/!

What are your thoughts on the morph tweening in between portrait changes? I like how it looks for when you remove clothes but I can't post that here.

>>19740768
Seems alright enough

Also, as for dungeon editing, I'm not sure if I should stick to the mouse/GUI based interface (gif related).

Someone suggested removing the GUI interface and having the player walk around the cell manually adding/removing squares ala minecraft/etc, and manually dragging lolis (or asking them to follow you) in between cells.

What are your thoughts on this?

pros:
-more personal investment into your dungeon
-more gamepad friendly
-would gel better with existing controls

cons:
-more tedious
-GUI is already partially implemented
-GUI be more convenient for a way to open up the NPC status GUIs

Also, you probably won't be carving out massive dungeons or anything, so the tediousness might not be too significant.

I'm not sure if it would go into some freeze-the-world editing mode or keep it fully in-gameplay either.

>>19740796
Why do you mine dungeons instead of building structures into a pre-existing space in your basement?

Also for more context, here's some more normal gameplay. There's an Action Chooser you can pop up (Q on kb/m, or Y on gamepad (although you can rebind all controls)) which has 2 categories: Actions, Items. You can see some usage in this gif.

If I do dungeon editing without a GUI, I could do something like having 3 root-level choices:

*Furniture:
- Choose (picks which one you'd be currently placing, would bring up a list menu like in the GUI)
- Place
- Remove

* Excavate:
- Dig out
- Fill in

* Floor
- Choose (would bring up a list menu)
- Set

I could also have a dedicated edit-mode with its own custom controls instead of reusing the action chooser though.



>>19741108

Because the basement starts out small. This allows more customization. Do you want some gigantic rectangular area that you place walls into? That sounds ugly and with less freedom.

tl;dr: it's unrealistic to have like a 200x300 metre basement, and it gives you more freedom, while also being basically no different from a gameplay perspective other than giving more freedom.

>>19741162
ahhahahahahah oh shit. whats this game?!

>>19741181

>>19741343
ahhh good to see its still coming along. keep up this divine work my friend.

>>19741162
>>19740796
>>19740768
When I'm 85 and the internet is policed by surveillance AIs I'll have fond memories of the days when interesting gentlemen like yourself could discuss making loli kidnapping sims

>>19740768
i like it

>>19741343
Is there an open build of this for people to try? I was never in the threads for this and it got me curious.

Well, there seems to be some people preferring GUI/mouse interface for dungeon expansion, but others thinking it should be all directly-control. I guess I could mock up a direct control scheme then get people to test it? Or even leave both in the game for now?

>>19741421

Yeah, but it's from last Christmas. It's on the thread on 2^3-ch's /agdg/ board, but only an unofficial mirror of the repo (some gitgud link). I'll put out another demo probably this Christmas (or maybe Halloween - either way, I ought to release it on a loli-centric holiday, right?)

>>19741400

That's good. Some people said it was too long, so I might decrease the transition time, at least for small changes (face, arms) but keep it longer for pose changes (ie talking -> spread, or doggy on all fours, or squatting)

>>19741561
Thanks for the info anon. Keep up the good work!

>>19722739
Inked, gonna erase pencil marks. Should I color it?

>>19741162
It just seems weird to me to be building a giant, irregularly sized basement that would span under other people's houses. It'd make more sense to me to have to plan out and manage how many lolis you could fit into your basement.
I'd probably just have a defined size house and basement that you'd choose between letting a few live comfortably in spacious cages or cramming them like 12 to a room, even letting you mod your whole house with installations so it's nothing but a loli zoo on every floor. Maybe with different house sizes for a challenge too, like a standard house, a house with an abandoned house next to it that you could connect basements to and fill that house up also, or some mansion a hill that did have enough isolation to dig out a bigger basement dungeon.

That's just me though, but even so it seems kind of out of place altogether to just have a basement mining mode like that. Either way, I was just wondering why, so my reply is way too involved.

>>19740768
Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but I would prefer a sharp transition, kind of the way Phoenix Wright transitions between emotions. Granted, those are far more dramatic.

>>19741924
Only if you want to practice it. Cute either way

>>19668296
>>19674318
hey, thanks guise! Im in college now, so is hard finding time to draw. but im working on something in sai as we speak

Finally mustered the courage to finish this March piece.

>>19741924
Nice boobs, but I like the black-and-white photo more, as the shadows were more pronounced in it.

>>19733781
T-thanks. I had no idea that an 8-pack goes all the way to the pecs.

>>19745254
I might
>>19745510
I could always make the shadows black and color everything else

>>19745639
You shouldn't make them black if you're going to color it, you know... Adding contrast isn't the same as using black to shade.

>>19745704
I'll figure something out

Trying a back view again

>>19751034
nice one

pic -> today attempt

>>19751048
Thanks and nice Remilia there too

>>19751096
aye thank,
are there something that doesn't feel right in my pic? other than feet and hand for sure, these thing feel somewhat wonky
and should i draw naked / wearing swimsuit next time to improve my anatomy?

>>19751212
I guess it's not exactly clear what is happening in the lower half. I like drawing with swimsuits. It's basically naked and it just takes a second to add on and makes it post-able here. Drawing in swimsuit would make the image a lot more clear. My personal thought is that anatomy is a lot more complicated than clothing so it's better to work on that and then clothes can be done every now and then.

>>19740768

Lets get creative /jp/

>>19757698
how so anon

>>19698221
This happens to me a bit too, only noticing things when I'm doing lines over the initial sketches.

>>19698221
>loli sized.
>proportions become apparent after posting.
it cant be...i thought i was the only artist do does this :'(

This is a plague touhou.

>>19757766
Cute

https://clyp.it/g5gaeepc
I recently created a couple of vaporgrind songs, remixing some P-Model jams. I think I'll try and create some stuff from scratch at some point, though I'm currently working on an album of more atmospheric death/black stuff.

>>19757952
What the HELL is vaporgrind?

>>19757766
modern clothes are you okay ZUN?

>>19758106
The perfect union between early 90s electronic rock and grindcore.

>>19757698
I'll try to with my next drawing. Not satisfied at all lately with what I've put out lately.

>>19751048
Fingers are of decent length now but the hand (palm?) itself is still too short imo (the right hand in particular)

>>19758453
i feel 99% of drawings i dish out are all failures. thousands of failures in an attempt to gain the perfect loli

>>19759766
Yep, improvement to reach that dream goal is first and foremost.
It should be anyways.

ive always been adamant about it. and these 3 dubs in a row confirms this.

>>19759811
The first and foremost thing in art is to have fun making it. Or grieve from your heart when you're making a tearjerker. Have a raging boner when you're drawing porn. Be immersed in what you're doing, always, no matter what it is. Grinding all the time because you "need to" is not an approach that can lead you far.

>>19759852
That's fair. I meant as opposed to just pumping out art strictly for money, likes, etc.

>>19759852
well yes. ive been working on trying to have fun with my practice;

>>19649485
It always makes me happy seeing people actually posting their work and how they're trying to improve in these threads, it's motivating. The OC/drawthreads on other boards are just strings of hundreds and hundreds of requests and drama from what I can tell.

>>19760034
drawma is the best. but until i get better at drawing, im taking a long term break from oc threads. by oc i mean /b/ draw threads as thats where the epicenter is

Is MMD considered OC?

>>19760560
Not if you're spankfag, footfag, or Ranfag.

>>19760655
What if I'm all at once?

I made yet another UN Owen remix. I call it UN Mellowen was Her. I replaced the MIDI soundfonts with a high quality Mellotron VST because I'm a huge progressive rock fan. I slapped on a bit of reverb, but besides that it's au naturel. A bit in the middle is a little wonky but I think it sounds really nice.
https://my.mixtape.moe/iygbvu.mp3

The Mellotron is a British keyboard that debuted in the early 1960's. It was unusual because it reproduced sound off of magnetic tape-based samples of various instruments playing a single note and it was intended for pianists who wanted to play "chamber" music. It's kind of like the grandaddy to those inexpensive Yamaha MIDI keyboard that have like 200 different instruments built in. It was used by several notable artists in the 1960's and 70's, especially the Beatles, the Moody Blues and King Crimson.

woah, /jp/ is talented, someone here considered doing and "artsy carrer" when you were kids/teens?
Here is my OC.

>>19761500
And this.

>>19761500
oc sharing?
ok,my purple cloud girl is named cirro as in cirrus clouds

>>19760655
There's a spankfag around? Can I meet him?

>>19735218
I love how goofy she looks

>>19762336
appreciate it

Finally moving onto sai from adobe flash. So, my first manga emulation attempt in said, at least in a long long time.

>>19761038
Sounds like a remix for an SMW hack. Has a bit of old timey feel
>>19761500
>>19761533
Every calls me shit my whole life. I keep going on anyway
nice work. tropical girl. i like perveted guy concept in your linework piece.
>>19761802
Looks like ghost girl; like something i see in huanted house theme chapter of manga. Maybe make those black clouds more puffy to give illusion of clouds?

>>19763522
her original getup was white clouds concealing her lewd bits and darker ones shrouding her forearms and hands;

>>19763522
I like it

>>19751034
More back

purple cloud girl again with trad instead of digi color.
came out weird tho

>>19770420
big think

>>19770475
ah yes i know. there's a certain "head" thats relatively difficult to...replicate. it ends up being either too big or too small. (proportion issues)

remi

i'm stuck, i'm not improving at all :(


>>19751269
sorry for my poor english anon

>>19771327
cute, don't call her a dumb retard though, please.

>>19741395
We'll be kindred spirits in our remembrance

I've gave up a clownpiece drawing ages ago, so I'll do Junko's instead. WIP

the biggest error i see most artists do is they have the body in 2-3 different planes of existence. as in their torso is facing x and pelvis is facing y but there's no twisting on their body

>>19773396
Yeah body part positions in regards to perspective is a tough thing to master.

>>19773414
>]
thats what im actively trying to tackle.

>>19773396
That's a difficult thing to handle without training

I want to draw a toho

>>19773751
Put a silly dress and hat on her then

>>19661245
Filling cag's womb~

>>19771511
Your English is perfectly fine. It is hard to see improvement in such short time because the process of getting better is really gradual. Try looking at something from half a year to a year ago. As long as you're trying and don't get content you'll get better. Make sure you are exposing yourself to new stuff like from tutorial books or videos too.

>>19761038
I love your idea of using the mellotron but it really doesn't fit that well with the song mainly because of the vibrato parts (if I'm wrong with the concept then I hope you understand what I meant), if you wanted a prog rock feel then you should had gone with Moog sounds.
Where did you get the Mellotron VST? Did you use FLStudio?

>>19773396
I don't get you. Are you implying this kinda rotation?

sloppier than normal for practice, will eventually do something for real

>>19775525
yes thats what i mean. but i mean people not doing what you did.

What do you guys do when it seems like you just don't have what it takes to come up with anything good? How do you gather the strength to power through and just do it?

>>19776966
i do it by doing just that. it seems at times where my skill is 0. but i practice anyway since that is a false premise. i work through the struggle no matter what.

>>19776980
You're strong.

>>19776984
perhaps. but it hurts as i seem to progress noticeably, yet relatively slowly as well

>>19776966
>>19776980 because I already know that practice makes perfect and you can realize any goal if you work hard.

>>19777231
yeah but who can be bothered to work hard, am I right?

>>19777259
After devoting 5 years to complete one single task without any material reward and without even believing I can make it through to the end, and in doing so, achieving or level-upping several skills that two years later let me earn ten times the usual hourly wage of people who do the same thing in my country, I believe in myself enough to do what is required.

......Though I can't convince myself to start training my body 5 days a week again. Something always "prevents" me from fulfilling these promises to myself. I guess I just don't see it as necessary anymore or find it too tiresome. And after almost 2 years of being a lazy ass, it started to reflect badly on my shape.

>>19774202
What are you gay?

>>19777422
What do you use for the very initial skeleton?

>>19777422
im very jealous of your superior loli skills.

Progress

>>19777475
No cool skeleton like >>19776159 Lately just dropping ovals. One for head and two for body. Nothing really planned just building down and trying to keep proportions in check in relation to the first oval by eying it

>>19777492
Still very novicey but we can all make it

>>19777571
Nice. I wish I had the patience to make cleaner stuff

>>19777727
Actually I meant I try to keep things in proportion to the head. The oval is most of it but doesn't include the jaw

>>19773751
I like your pointy style

Should I continue with the filters?

>>19779007
Made me realize how closely a chef's hat resembles hecka's ball holder hat (with ball).

>>19779007
mommy stop

Any anons want to show off their construction/sketch phases and the thought process behind it? I don't have any trouble inking and doing stuff like hair or even clothes, but the construction process is something I struggle a lot with, I can't really find a way that sticks.

It's odd too because there are plenty of tutorials for things like shading, but not much that I can find for laying out the initial pose/bodywork that you ink in and how it works. Even a lot of videos skip it and start straight at the linework.

>>19779710
My usual process for serious drawings like >>19745510 goes like this:
1) Idea comes up. It needn't be precise.
2) I draw a rough sketch or a final lineart from the start. I use a 20 px G-Pen and draw in fluid lines. It's extremely important to capture dynamics/gestures from the start. This is also the thumbnailing step where I compare different angles either in my head or by drawing them very roughly and trying to judge which one looks better.
3) I check the proportions by using the brush size in pixels.
4) Opacity set to 20, I create another layer on top of the sketch, and start drawing the finalized lineart with 5 px- and 10 px-sized G-pen. I constantly flip the canvas in multiple directions when I'm drawing faces and less frequently when I'm drawing everything else. This is the step where the final composition is decided if I only had a vague idea until now. With complex character interactions (intertwined arms, etc.) I may use color codes for the lineart when I become unable to read the picture.
5) I use the straight line tool to check the symmetry of faces and other things if applicable. This is a hack, of course.
6) If I feel bothered by something, I check my reference resources, including sketchfab and MMD models.
7) I come back to the picture after not looking at it for a while and tweak the errors if I find any.

Then, or after Step 7, I post the lineart to imageboards hoping for advice or useful notes. After coloring it, I post it there again and fix the errors that were pointed out in a short time period (not longer than 3 days), then post it in my galleries and decide it's finished.

If I do something like >>19775525 or >>19721599, I only draw the final picture from the start and do a symmetry check if both eyes are visible on a face. Usually I form the complete vision only in the process of drawing it.

>>19779907
>> after Step 7
I mean, after Step 6.

>>19779907
i'll share my process
step 1:
>do i want it to be a loli? yes? no?
step 2:
>if regardless of answer, will it be lewd? yes? no?
>step 3: i determine how dynamic i want my pose to be
step 4:
>i slowly begin fleshing it out in a rough skeleton
step 5:
>even as im inexperienced, i attempt to fix any proportions
step 6: if successful (very rare)
>i make any more corrections, and i tend to miss some
step 7:
>i might end up coloring

I chose a black and white chef hat, any thoughts?

>>19779907
Draw a very rough sketch.
Clean the very rough sketch
Outline
Colour
Shadow
Effects

>>19780107
The black part of the hat seems really thick.

>>19780245
what would it take to draw exactly like this artist named bosshi?
i probably couldve picked a better example but whatever.

>>19780245
Drawanon here, so I'll have to make it lighter? Ok.

>>19780263
Personally I would trace and learn how the proportion and body shapes are drawn through it.

>>19780281
bruh if i attained his secret powers, i'd be fulfilling a very important stage in my arts. i'll give it a couple shots after this warm up.

>>19780107
the hands look weird

>>19780263
draw a hundred dicks every day

>>19780294
Don't blindly trace! Study as you trace.

>>19780299
you're probably not wrong. but i wont be getting far at drawing perfect dicks. (if u want to draw x, draw x-things)

>>19780304
i completely understand that bit, thanks anon.

>>19780298
Specifically?

>>19779907
>>19780085
>>19780107
Thanks for the tips, anons. One more question - is it bad to use a lot of references in the long run, or should I be trying to use my minds eye to come up with stuff? Even though I eyeball references like poses, it feels like it's no better than tracing it.

>>19780327
its not bad to use refs. its bad to ONLY use refs. what ive been told, i was suggested to use refs, then another time try it from memory. compare the memory to the actual thing. if it's close, you're on the right track.

>>19780335
eventually, you'll pick up on it, and be able to access your mind bank freely.

>>19780298
look at the thumb and index finger in left hand is physically impossible to see the joint of the thumb and the back of the hand who is below the index finger you can only pick one not both , and her right hand look how are her fingers oriented in relation with the thumb area thats also physically impossible

sorry for shitty engrish

>>19780323
>>19780410
fug

>>19780410
Wait as in her left or?

>>19780451
both hands are screwed i talked first on "her" left hand , im also phoneposting so missed that word lmao

>>19780488
no as in her pov hand or our point of view hand.

>>19780488
Oh wait, I get it, as in her pov. So it's the hand opposite of what you mentioned?

>>19780506
>her point of view

ive never thought of it that way

>>19778146
Thanks anon, though I don't normally draw like this.

>>19780506
yeah, just take in mind when you are drawing fingers, their angle of rotation may vary specially the thumb just look at your hand and flex your thumb while you you move it , almost like the the last finger (pinkie?) who doesn't point straight towards you when you make a fist and more like at 05.00 clockwise a huge mistake that a lot of people do , just like in her left arm the one who is making that terrorist sign all the fingers are parallel to each other, make a fist with your hand and see the difference it can be possible but its not natural

>>19780657
Thanks anon, it'll take quite a while for me to attempt fix that.

>>19780281
ok. so i did a small study over it.
and i got some measurements down.
to scale, i measured her down to index finger joints. i need to scale down to using the "resolution" of a print paper sheet, however.

>>19780772
but im not in a rush and i dont expect to nail it on the 1st try.

>>19780327
I do think you should use a lot of references.
Not necessarily in the process of drawing your own pictures, but you should use them a whole lot in your first year.

>>19757698
>>19758453
Here's the result.

>>19781705
This looks really cool. Definitely would make a great wallpaper

is this better?

>>19781907
From here? >>19770420
Yeah definitely improved

>>19781781
Thanks.
I based it off a small portion of a song's lyrics
>痛みや傷や嘘に慣れた僕らの言葉は
疲れた川面 浮かび流れ
君が住む町で
as well as an Autumn theme since August is almost over.

>>19781907
im doing one portrait a day as to get a good idea of super kawaii des(u).
because i believe if i want super cute lolees, i should draw super cute asian girls right?

>>19782967

i scribbled a couple landmarks

>>19777422
>What are you gay?
I'm whatever gets to rawdog cag and blast load after load inside her eternally youthful coochie (while we french kiss)

>>19783084
that sounds hot. i too would love to pierce her choccy river while you excavate her borehole.

>>19783098
I'm imagining gang-banging cag for hours in a run down motel. /jp/sies are taking turns tying off dozens of used condoms onto the elastic strap of her thong panties and bikini top

>>19783143
>>19783098
Stop Cag is not a whore

>>19783143
there's there's 50 of them; your 50. i didnt pull out

>>19779710
you probably shouldn't follow it and go study an actual anatomy/human figure book but I use kind of roughly what's in >>19776159 , wherein I get down the ribcage as kind of sphere thing with two fins sticking out the bottom, bring the spine down to add two disks that form the hips, then bring the neck up and place the head there, then everything else is just kind of bones.

naturally if you can't draw cylinders (long bones that form arms/legs) and spheres (ribcages and heads) and disks (hip girdle) in 3d space you should probably work on that first

idk what joints are though I kind of just plop down circles and flub through it which is kind of obvious in the finished product

>>19783803
Not the anon you replied to, but won't doing anatomy so early on could unintentionally cause rigidness on the drawings? Or was it proportions?

>>19784022
Nevermind what I said, I'm deleting the post to prevent confusion. Learning anatomy helps and rigid drawings could be fixed by practicing on figure drawings.

Yo!

Yo!

Yo!

How's this hand fix?

>>19774248
thanks for your encouragement anon

soo.... today i want to do something new, so i'm re-unboxing my 1 year old tablet, and install it in my laptop, then use it

result pic related

>>19784778
Make the same pose with your left hand and study the proportions and shapes that the hand takes when you move your thumb. What I see now is that the first joint in her fingers is longer than it's supposed to be and/or the transition from the forearm to the palm is not distinct/sharp enough. Also, the index finger is not bent naturally. Though an inexperienced viewer will probably only notice the lack of transition.

Copy the same gesture and angle using your left hand turned towards yourself.

>>19786794
Which hand is which?

>>19786909
>>19786794

Oh wait just the left? Ok

>>19786794
>the first joint in her fingers is longer than it's supposed to be
The fingers is an accurate representation of mine so I don't think that's an issue yet.
>the index finger
The finger is stretched, but everyone's hand have their difference, I'll try to fix this.
> forearm to the palm is not distinct/sharp enough
Yeah this needs fixing.

Thanks

>>19786794
Woah sorry for spamming this thread. I was still intrigue by >first joint in her fingers is longer than it's supposed to be
so I tried to modify "her pov" left hand. I said the previous was an accurate representation but I apologize, I am wrong. This is a better representation.
As for the index finger, I gave it a single line curved figure.

>>19786794
Edit.
Woah sorry for spamming this thread. I was still intrigue by >first joint in her fingers is longer than it's supposed to be
so I tried to modify "her pov" left hand. I said the previous was an accurate representation but I apologize, I am wrong. This is a better representation.
As for the index finger, I gave it a single line curved figure.

cant color for shit XD

at least i'm having fun

>>19783370
I'm a responsible degenerate

>>19787802

>>19788394
That butt seems... off. Somehow.

>>19788023
That's all that matters. Have fun and don't start hating to draw otherwise you won't get far.

>>19788394
not the same anon but , you are getting the perspective wrong in the hand also you lack some knowledge about anatomy, i would recomend you to study more, its better if you leave it like this spending too much time fixing a piece when you are still a begginer will make you frustrated and eventually loss the interest

finish it and move on you can fix that hand later when you are practicing/studying.now im not a pro but heres a fix just the basic things you are missing like perspective

>>19788850 for >>19787802

>>19775265
I get what you mean. I just really love the sound of the mellotron and my friend showed me a method in which you can get VSTs to play midi files as opposed to basic soundfonts. I think a lot of the early (i.e prog era) Moogs were monophonic, and I've tried applying monophonic VSTs to the UN Owen midi and it doesn't sound that good.
I used a free, open source music making program called LMMS, which is a very good program. It is to FL Studio as GIMP is to Photoshop. Here is where I found my VST, I used the Redtron 400 specificaly:
https://sites.google.com/site/artifakelabs/

>>19788850
>>19788394

Oh no, I'll try to find a way to implement both while making sense.
Sorry for the trouble and thanks for redlining it.
As for the index finger placement considering that I am able to see the proximal phalanges part of the closed fingers, I'll use >>19788850

>>19788404
Is it too oval?

>>19788926
Oops I mean I will use
>>19788394 for the index fingers placement
But I want to keep the overall positioning and shape of the arm of >>19788850

>>19788926
I believe he says it's too big.

>>19788876
It's a really good intent but it doesn't fit the song as of now, you should either rework the mellotron parts or implement them on another song and work on another approach for UN Owen. If you find a way to make it work, I think the LoLK soundtrack could use some Moog sounds. I bet it'd sound godlike if you managed to make them sound like Emerson sounds.

>>19789531
I might play around with other Touhou theme midis, some of them still sound really nice but the parts for the instruments aren't as complex or fast as UN Owen. The problem with some Mellotron instruments is that they have a bit of attack, so they can't make a note sound instantaneously. It's just the way the sound is recorded.

>>19790055
Can you alter the midi of UN Owen? Making it fit for the mellotron would be my best suggestion, good luck with it anyway and please keep delivering.

Just trying something with scaling using two previous drawings. You know Cag is really small. 130 cm. That is shorter than even a lot of female draphs

>>19789370
There's something really satisfying about seeing a character's body lines drawn through their clothes.

>>19789370
Hmm, not going change the butt so much simply because I like it that way. I'll probably reshape it a bit.
Thanks for the redline though!

>>19790639
It has been bugging me for a while, but who is Cag / what title is she from?

>>19792020
Cag is short for Cagliostro. A character from Granblue Fantasy

>>19792020
Cag is Cagliostro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandro_Cagliostro
The series is Granblue Fantasy. He turned himself into a loli for that game for some reason.

>>19792058
>for some reason
all men carry lolis inside themselves

Bye-bye, summer! With your heat that makes lots of spooders come out I won't miss you much this time.

>>19792057
>>19792058
H-hayai! Arigato~!

>> for some reason
Datte, Nihon no shinshi wa rori ga suki.

>>19792492
woah very lewd. That must be a nipple colored sticker on the right

>>19792492
Fixed some things.

>>19792529
Yup! It sure is a sticker! So it's totally safe to post on a blue board!

Progress!

>>19792585
Looks really good, Junko's eyes are red though.

>>19792589
Oh shit, I did not know why I made it yellow, thanks for pointing out!

>>19792591
perhaps mistook her for the keener

>>19792585
Naisu!
Although her waist is where the upper part of the ribbon loop currently is. Right now it looks like the knot is somewhere between the buttcheeks.

>>19792719
Oh, and I still don't like how the mouth is tilted.

>>19792719
>Although her waist is where the upper part of the ribbon loop currently is.
I'll try to fix that.

>>19792725
>don't like how the mouth is tilted.
To each their own taste I guess

>>19792730
Well, it eats into her cheek, and even if you ignore it, the insides of the mouth contradict the angle of the rest of the skull, which you can't really call a matter of preference or style. I believe they'd tell you the same thing over at /ic/.

>>19792790
Actually, it's just a case of I just want it tilted. But I can fix it if necessary

>>19792810
You know, like the case of side mouths

>>19792810
People often call my taste bad, so I recommend asking /ic/ on this matter if you don't think the fix looks better.

>>19792824
Good point, I can't trust my taste, I'll ask /ic/ later.

>>19792824
As that's what the stylization is about. Using better-looking images even if they are far from a technically accurate depiction of the object.

>>19792824
Also thanks for the tongue lighting,
adjustment I'll amend that

Asked, they prefer the left one, anyway.
SOON

>>19794585
Aw crap! I forgot the tongue shadow. I was wondering what was missing.

Thread is almost over. I know you guys don't want to make this thread into another general but making it once every few months seems also anti-productive to me. Just a thought.

>>19794585
Yeah.
Technically correct doesn't necessarily look better to people. And I have no idea why and what is that "taste" I'm said to be missing.

>>19794664
People on other boards always complain when I make a thread with my picture as an OP, so I didn't want to make one.

>>19782967
Good. I should start doing that myself one of these days

>>19794664
If you have personal art you want to post, there's no reason you can't make a thread for yourself. As it is, it's like 3 posters doing stuff they could be doing on /ic/. Even if you make another OC thread, just don't call it part 2, etc. or put backlinks or edition or any of that other crap in OP. It's just a thread for OC.

>>19794683
Go for it. People will complain for literally anything, don't worry about it too much.

>>19794664
>into another general
But this isn't just another shitposting chatroom except with a topic, so it's ok.

>>19794585
Naked apron but no erect nipples?

>>19794585
Good stuff

>>19794693
I don't want people here to start hating me too. I'd rather have Arkeden make his finished pic a new OP.
You know, this thread's gotta have a bright OP. I was barely able to notice both this and the last one in the catalog.

Complete!

>>19794670
Different people different taste. I have weird tastes too when it comes too drawing. For example Giselobon too me is extremely nice. Your's could be bended to much more accurate drawings.

>>19794729
>no erect nipples?
G-gib me mercy. I'm the type who like to make lewd things but never cross it. The R-17.9 to be precise.

>>19794729
Thanks!

>>19794880
I'd say erect nipples are right at that border since you can't see em directly.
Also nice background.

So when are we doing the next thread?
Is it with the numbers?

>>19795521
hours, days, weeks, or months after this one dies. Simmer down. If you got something you need to post, post it now. This thread will last a while and there's an archive to view it later.

>>19784215
I can see it...

>>19650554
Now that thread's dying

>>19796309
See what?

please be gentle

>>19797886
edge